What makes the extraction shooter genre so alluring to people?
>>737557787They have no clue what the fuck they're doing
Why do studios keep trying to force this genre to be popular?
>Nobody gives a shit about marathon, yes including you shut the fuck up retard>Bungle pays twitch steamers and jewtubers money to pretend to give a shit about marathonExtrapolate this to basically every industry trend in the past 10 years.
>>737557787I never played these but I do like their concepts and get why people like them>no need for teams>play whenever you want without having to wait for a queue>can choose to pvp or pve>have progression like rpgs so it actually feels rewarding to be playing for an extended period of time rather than it just being dopamine rushes
>>737557787>the extraction shooter genreidk what that isalso idk anyone who cares about nu-halo
>>737558027>I never played these>can choose to pvp or pveyou already said you never play them, you don't need to reiterate
pve escape from tarkov is great
One thing that is often ignored or forgotten when trying to make a tarkov clone is the skill levelling, they always go loot only for any form of permanant progression
>>737557787accumulating ressources and progress with high stakes
Man, you know what would be really cool though? If they made a Halo game that had like, 10 or so hour long levels, you don’t spend half the campaign fighting the Flood, and a multiplayer with good maps. Wait, fuck, I’m just describing Reach aren’t I.
>>737557787It always should have been halo. Nobody knows Marathon from the Apple days. If they made AA System Shock style remake of Marathon 1/2/3 then sure. This idea that Marathon would somehow be a popular new IP is ridiculous.
>>737557787Apparently it's going to be PVE.
>>737557887Because it's prime live service. Tarkov has been going for around 8 years before even releasing 1.0, they just desperately want a piece of that pie
>>737558517Tarkov is buy once to have access to everything
>>737557787>extraction shooterI call them extraction slopper
Because they're Romanian Shooters. The whole point is to steal everything not nailed to the floor and mug random people but you also shoot guns.
>>737557887Exactly the same as the MMO rush after world of warcraft. Chasing a dragon that they can never catch.
>>737558610Which is exactly why they want a Tarkov analogue, to monetize the shit out of it
>>737558610Look man. Tarkov is also survival and military sim as opposed to 90% of the games apeing it.They just see big number and want big number while being creatively bankrupt.
>>737557887Because they already committed 100s of millions of dollars to this shit so God damn are they going to push it til they go bankrupt
>john halo and the squad want to bully the ayys>sneak into the mothership>find their sex toys, download search history, etc.>oh shit they found us>fight their way out>ayy commander is screeching as the humans get away
>>737557787I didn't think it could get any worse than Battle Royale but those filthy kikes found a way to make multiplayer games even worse.It's kind of beautiful really. I don't know how they are going to get shittier than this and I'm kind of excited to see just how awful it can get.
>>737557787Gambling.
>>737557787It's such a miserable genre. Shooter game where you do almost everything but shoot enemies. Instead you rummage around garbage and old buildings looking for scraps and scroll through a dozen menus and you might see another soul once every few hours. The dirtiest, scummiest, underhanded, third-world-coded genre.Get this shit as far away from Halo as humanly possible.
Halo ODST 2. You drop into missions (the pod drop is ALWAYS included) where you complete randomly generated objectives with your ODST bros culminating in mad dash to get out as the Covenant reinforcements or the flood start pouring in. Menus are you hanging out in the ship. Different menus are different squad members and they talk to you. Maybe you can upgrade your squad and their gear. Maybe your squad is customized by you and they can die ala XCOM. Sergeant gives you a speech before every mission and the more you succeed the more he's impressed by you turning "you're fucking garbage" into "I've seen better." During the drop your ODST bros are talking shit, "come get sum" type shit hyping you up for the battle. I... I think I see the vision.
>>737557787They’re literal content farms with no actual game design behind generating “hype moments” followed by 20 minutes of downtime of ratting to talk to chat. If you are a normal person who plays games, these titles are appealing at first, and then realize they are just content treadmills for the unemployed with abysmal balance issues because the developers have to gratify sycophantic spergs with 17 AK variants that you will instantly lose because you didn’t rat hard enough and ran the clock down to the final minute and not the final seconds. These games are for people who enjoy “positioning centric” FPS games (sitting in one place for 20 minutes and waiting for someone to walk into your crosshair), but not the people who play them like 30 year old dads, but retarded ubereats addicted pedophile streamers whose heyday was in 2013. These games are designed in such a way to just be unfun slogs through and through, and get to act like they aren’t because “le responsive gunplay” (Player characters are made of rice paper and toothpicks)
Monkey see, monkey do.
>>737557932>yes including you
>>737558027>>play whenever you want without having to wait for a queue>>can choose to pvp or pve>And in the case of Marathon,>>no need for teamsWell...
>>737557932post the charts
>>737558027None of that is true
>>737558778But in the MMO rush the dragon was actually real and the gold was also real.Tarkov has like 10k on steam, lets be hyper generous and say 40k total players, Arc Raiders has 50k, thats nothing compared to WoW / LoL / Dota / Apex / Overwatch / CS / Valorant / CoDEven fucking Baulders Gate 3 is getting more players than Marathon. At least with the WoW / LoL / Overwatch / whatever eras had a successful game to chase, these guys arw looking at Tarkov bringing in 10k with mixed/negative reviews on Steam and going "yeah lets pivot to that" fucking why?
>>737560329A lot of business bros are fucking stupid and have no connection to videogames despite working in the industry. If you asked them what their favorite videogame is, they would lie to you to save face. Western devs looked at Tarkov and figured there is no equivalent in America so they could be it ignoring BSG's whole business model is translating USD to rubbles.
>>737560329Because these games are cheap as fuck to make. You make 1 big ass map, sprinkle in a handful of guns and a ton of busy work quests. These studios are already overspending on these shitty cheap games, they can't afford to go after something bigger/more unique.
>>737560329>Tarkov has like 10k on steamif you honestly believe more than 5% of the existing tarkov base repurchased the game on steam you are beyond help
>Find a secret purple Covenant armory key>Reach the door>*loud door opening jingle*>Loot everything and try to run to exfil>XXXNoobDestroyer3000XXX and his team of sweats just rapes you and takes your stuffHalokeks would lose their fucking mind and ask refunds
>>737557787It's an eternal loop where you gain some stuff and then lose it, without an end game. addicting rush of adrenaline.there are other genres with this pattern, like autobattlers.
Imagine a gay where you have to impregnate
>>737560736Tarkov players deserve an eternity in hell for lying and saying their game was good for so long they affected the industry.
>>737560736*wiggle*
Halo Infinite gameplay still mogs
>>737562231Literally any shooter made after Time Crisis is better than this shit, I would play fucking Haze again before this shit because at least it has a fucking win state and isn’t a never ending treadmill for the deranged.
>>737557787>trend lasts for ~3 years>studio starts making the trend when it's at its peak popularity>studio finally releases, years after trend is over
>>737557869Of course they don't. This was obvious half a decade ago almost now with the launch of infinite. They launched mp before the campaign, launched the campaign buggy as shit with dev weapons available in the first area with VERY little work, and all the other bugs and shit with it, on top of the gameplay being open world despite not having a point to it because most missions fucking load screened you into a cutscene to start it off and instanced you away from the world anyway.So much weird lip service and forethought that it fucked over the product because they were too busy thinking ahead.
>>737557787fake as fuck.there is 0% chance bungie is making a product that directly competes with bungie's latest product.
>>737557787It gives more freedom in game play and creates interesting situations.The 20 hours I spent on Arc Raiders were more memorable than 99% of the thousands of hours I spent on random FPS shooters. If being fully honest, I think the main reason this stuff is so successful is that its a lot harder to manipulate matchmaking systems to the point you're not actually playing the game, the system is playing you for engagement.
>>737562828>reason this stuff is so successfulDead Space 3 not selling 5 mil was too low to continue the series but Marathon with its barely 10k players is a success to emulate?Shits nieche, which is fine, but no way you can sustain a Microslop level studio on it
>>737561659>without an end gameMarathon has an end game (you might debate its quality, but it definitely exists). If I'm not mistaken, Arc Raiders also has some giant boss robot.
>>737562779Bungie doesn't have rights to Halo anymore. 343 are the Halo studio now.
>>737564604>Arc Raiders also has some giant boss robot.Lol no, that shit goes down in 10 minutes as the whole lobby of faggot circlejerkers ganks on it. It doesn't even compare to Compiler
>>737564604There is no story to finish, the setting is an eternal struggle. those eternal games which trap people/whales are what the corpos are after. the so called ultra challenes don't affect this. the average person doesn't finish them once and says cool, nice game, next one. it just becomes as another deathmatch playground and loot opportunity.
>>737557787They were developing the battle royale alongside Infinite and that never came out, this shit won't come out either. 343, which they still are halo studios means nothing, are the Lucasfilm of games.
>>737562575>finally releases years after trend is over, not just of game type, but idpol messaging
>>737562779I would bet that Halo hasn’t been a Bungie property longer than you’ve been alive, because they split in 2007 - nineteen years ago - and haven’t been involved in any way since.
>>737566043What idpol messaging?
>>737566390Identity politics he thinks are shoehorned in by devs because business bros think gay people are cringe and would never make billions off of them, including taking their work to publish.
>>737567978I meant that in the sense of "where are there identity politics in Marathon"?
>>737568132The message of identity politics it does have is ironic because it’s all vapid Target level gay pride shit. >Wow I am le gay proletariat being fed to le machine!!!>I love le capitalist overlords!!!>I love paying for my prisonAnd all queers in their space immediately recognizes them as a fed/narc. It really is like the queer equivalent of cooning for black people, complete capitulation to a system that derives it’s value from your suffering.
>>737564604>Arc Raiders also has some giant boss robot.LOL the Matriarch is a jokeeven accessing Vault 3, 4 and 5 to get halfway thought the process of gaining acess to Compiler is harder than anything in Arc RaidersThe only way the Matriarch is hard is iuf you end up with free kit dogshitters, whicbh Marathon solves with gear ante
>>737558027>>no need for teamsunfortunately every main extraction shooter mode is teams, usually 3v3the solos are just an after thought for the most part
>>737557787they feel that since everyone else is tired of team based hero shooters that significantly less successful extraction shooters are an untapped market just waiting for “the one” to be released that they can continue to print money from for the next decadethey’re also fucking retarded
