What's the biggest elephant in the industry boardroom?
>>737586907Star Citizen.
the tariffs
>>737586907video games are as risky an asset class as biotech.
Exclusive games do matter.
>>737586907Americans cant make good games anymore.
>>737586907Large scale teams
>if we make an extraction shooter it will be succesful
>>737586907indies are trash
For a long time, many games have been made expressly to snatch gibs instead of to be sold as a product to an audience, and companies aren't adapting as the free money dries up.
>>737586907Wokeness was preferable to AI.
>>737586907probably that AI is already being used on a massive scale, and no amount of pushback is going to affect thatai textures are one step away from procedural textures. handdrawn textures have stopped being a serious thing ages ago.ai coding. enough said.ai is literally a component of first person video games. hand-programmed AI is fine, but anything more than that is boycott worthy? what's the plan here?
>>737587172I've to agree too.
>>737586907Making AAA games with insane budgets to the point if the game is not a smash hit it can bankrupt the company is NOT a sustainable business model.
Steadily releasing AA games with smaller budgets is a better business model than AAA bloated fuckfests that kill the company
>>737586907Pragmata is Epstine in space
>>737586982they make less money (sales) unless you're Nintendo or Steam though, that's why it's being abandoned
Millenial writing
>>737586907How GTA5 and its multiple delays have mind broken so many devs to shift around release dates so as not to overlap. Pathetic
Women not named Amy Hennig should never be in charge of anything
>>737586907Honestly, the industry has very, very few people left who enjoy games.It may sound insane, a multi billion dollar industry, surely the majority of people working on the games actually like them right?No. A lot make games to make a statement, as a soapbox. Some use them surely as soulless cash grabs. The remaining few who get into the industry to actually make games they enjoy and play for the sheer for fun of it are relentlessly ground down by suitniggers or statementniggers hijacking their titles to twist it into something it was never supposed to be.Even the fun indie games are rapidly becoming statementslop or cashslop. My last hope for a video game in the near future made by someone who actually wants to make it because he wants to make it is Okami 2.
>>737586907Fat people.
>>737586907Women were not gatekept hard enough
>>737587385>hand-programmed AI is fine, but anything more than that is boycott worthy? what's the plan here?Boycott games where the artistic vision is compromised by the use of AI. Coding I'm fine with, as there are many menial tasks that can use automation. Even the odd texture is okay. Main tasks must be hand-made with human hands.
Videogames cannot be art because 80% of the people responsible for a game, don't even like video games or play them
>muh ai>muh drumf tariffs (that don't actually affect you)>no mention of woke shit>no mention of troons
Valve and wokeness Millions of threads complaining about wokeness yet Valve is always left out the discussion
>>737587754wrong
>>737588601triggered
>>737586907Gacha making dozens of billions by selling PNGs of hot female characters.
>>737586907DEI. You could never, ever verbally suggest that characters should be light skinned, or attractive, or able bodied. You'd lose your job and your entire career instantly. It's the elephant in the room of western gaming.
>>737588746Regular games could sell better if they still had hot female characters.
All games are essentially adult games with cut content.
>>737588601Thread started with a twitter troon meme, you're seeing a troon raid masqueraded as a /v/ thread.
>>737587385How is this the elephant in the room? I guess you've never worked an office job because dude. Executives do NOT shut the fuck up about ai. You have to bring it up almost every single time you speak to them. It's the opposite of the elephant in the room. It's being forced into every conversation
>>737586907>What's the biggest elephant in the industry boardroom?How to maximize profits while minimizing worktime. I just said today that Assassin's Creed cornered a very lucrative market. The one targeting families and houses that can afford to buy only one game every 6 months. They keep buying the slopfests on sale, not the single gamer.What I can assure you is NOT talked about is how to make an honest to god good game. They care about money.
>>737588603>no counter-argumentConcession accepted.
>>737586907In declining importance1. The audience has better things to do than play games2. It costs too much to make games3. It costs too much to play games before it even gets to the point where someone pays money to play yours
>>737589123Not that guy but you just exposed youre a fanboy so your opinion is worthless and shouldn't be taken seriously
>>737586907You don't have to keep hosting servers for unprofitable games, if you just release the tools for gamers to do it instead.
>>737588864bro this is 2026, trump wonproject 2025 is happeningwokeness lost
>>737589691>seething troon that Trump isn't actually being a tyrant that he wanted him to be
>>737586907AAA games are routinely getting beat out by indie projects
>>737586907A lot of anons wont like this but: Woke ain't the enemy. 99% of "go woke go broke" games did not in fact go broke, because they were woke. They went broke because they did some other, way more obvious dumb shit. And you can usually test this by going: "If the woke thing in broke game was replaced, would it be a hit game?" 99% of the time the answer is no. Suicide Squad. If they removed the pride flags and harley quinn would it be a good game? No, because the real problem is that they forced a single player studio to make a Game as a service, always online, battle pass, looter shooter game.Concord: If the designs (that some wokes even mocked, lmao) were removed would it have been good? No, because it was an overwatch clone that came 8 years too late and had no hook.Would Star Citizen have been good without FUCKING PRONOUNS and ugly black NPCs? No, the entire game was ass from the concept stage onwards. exploring empty proc.gen'd planets does not get better with less woke.And that don't mean you have to BE woke, or even like woke. It's just that woke isn't really an indicator of game quality. It's just that "woke" can be anything that goes against right wing principles. And nearly every game has something that goes against left or right wing principles somewhere. So all the anti-woke do is find that, wait for a game to suck, and then say it sucks because it has this element that nearly every game has. Without providing evidence that they are causally related. People are just exploiting our love for gaming to recruit us for their political projects, by saying that their political enemies are the root cause of games being bad. While ignoring shit that actually makes games being bad, like turning them into always online battle pass GAAS bullshit. They have people mad that naughty dog is making games about a butch bitch, instead of having them mad that Forza Horizon premium costs over a 120 dollars and is full of god damn LOG IN EVERY DAY! FOMO shit.
Post-launch patches
>>737586907Going all in on wokeness only for it to fail and for China to start eating the west's lunch.
>>737586907Raping companies and ips for short term gain is an industry killer, no matter how much cash it makes you.
>>737589948>Schedule 1Maaaan, I kinda want to get that, because it seems like a fun little "do busywork and listen to a podcast" simulator, but I hate that entire "DUDE WEED LMAO!" subculture.
>>737589978>And you can usually test this by going: "If the woke thing in broke game was replaced, would it be a hit game?" 99% of the time the answer is no. The problem is that userbase and culture of /v/ has degraded so much that tons of people actually love those kinds of games and actually would play the latest AAA slop if it wasn't "woke" or whatever the latest culture war thing is.
>>737589948Hey buddy which made more money, 1 million sales at $70 or 10 million sales at $5
>>737588746I'm legitimately surprised that the main studios have not pivoted to gacha-like games.Guess it's the fear of the gambling regulation sword hanging over their heads.
>>737586907Women in any industry marks the endWokeness is just warming upThe 2010s is when all the talent left
>>737589978The issue with this reasoning is that if woke shit was made well it wouldn't even register as woke, it would just be the same type of tolerable (albeit similarly malicious) propaganda as most media products have been for all of human history.Woke as a concept only exists in trash products.
>>737586907Probably the decline of Playstation. Not seen a single person in the past 6 years who's actually positive about PS5. Xbox dying is a thing too but everyone talked about that
>>737590217I mean a lot of people play the "woke" games that haven't flopped, because, they're just decent games. And that's kinda my point. "woke" is not really an indicator of quality. "woke" is just any progressive element. A woman in charge, a black guy, a gay person, a mixed family, etc. If someone looked at a BotW and said: "It sucks, and fucking of course it does, typical right wing slop, promoting the Idea that a monarchy with a god given right to rule over the land is anything other but an insult to the people living on said land is something only the chuddies at sloptendo could come up with" Nobody would take it seriously. But you flip the political agenda around, and suddenly everyone nods along and goes: "Yeah, the fact that there is an element that I politically disagree with probably DOES mean that everyone in the 2 hour long credits was entirely incompetent, and probably some sort of activist". It's nonsense. But people aren't ready for that. Because the truth is a lot of games ARE shit these days. And it's easier and more convenient to just blame your political enemies for it, instead of actually diving deeper.
>>737590402I don’t know buddy, which one cost 100x more $ to make?
>>737589978I'm a leftist (probably, you can never tell these days) and woke is shit, as well as being both a cause and an effect of the financial crimes of the industry. It promotes discrimination and identitarian supremacism and turns around and lies about doing so. Worse, it promotes it to leftists with no actual values (who, apparently, are the majority of leftists) to distract their activist impulses from opposing corporate control over our lives. We live in a world where privately owned social media companies have the right to decide what we can say and outside 4chan they regularly use that right. You'd think progressives would riot in the streets about this, but because this right is currently primarily used to suppress expression of dead ideologies, they instead cheer it. The same thing plays out in the video game sphere - companies sell us for $70 plus microtransactions what they'd have sold us for $60 or less 20 years ago, and justify it with 'muh inflation' despite the fact that inflation means we have less money to buy their game. And the people who would normally protest this instead eat up those games because they have a BLM logo, or a crappy translation that changes a character to be gay, in them to 'own the chuds.'
>>737586907troon shit and sjw shit affecting games for no reasonliterally no reason to censor or remove things that were never a problem before and are still not a problem
Playstation brand is dying.
>>737586907videogames are virtual toys meant for children and maybe teenagers, not adults
>>737590465Actually that is kinda what is happening, and I alluded to it in my post. What is happening is that: Nearly every piece of media has something woke and something non-woke in it if you look hard enough. What happens is that all these youtube channels comb through it to look for that kernel of woke, and then they put the magnifying glass on it. So when it flops, they point to it and say: "See? There was woke in it, and it was bad". When they have never proven that the woke was the reason it was bad. Just that it was in the project. For example: Star Wars. There are 2 somewhat recent Star Wars shows.1: Star Wars Acolythe. You probably have heard that a thousand youtube channels were mocking it, raking it over the coals, going "go woke go broke" and laughing at lesbian space witches. 2: Star Wars: Andor: Widely considered the best live action star wars show by many, there wasn't much of a "go woke go broke" outcry about it. But Andor had lesbian space ANTIFA fighters. Why weren't there 200 videos crying about Andors wokeness? Because Andor as a show doesn't suck. For the culture war bullshit, it only pays to talk about how woke something is, if you can also mock it for failing and sucking and being bad. When you can use it as an example that your enemies are incompetent. So shit that is woke and GOOD, nobody focuses on the woke part. Games like BG3 and Cyberpunk frequently have people claim to "not be woke at all". You kinda hit the nail on the head by saying: "if it was made well it wouldn't even register", that IS what is happening. Old GTA games are so fun, you don't even notice that "ammu-nation" is a critique/ comment on how easy it is to get guns in america. Metal Gear Solid is highly political, but also so good that a lot of people don't think about the fact that the series is literally preaching to you about nuclear disarmament, and the military industrial complex.
>>737590651>woke" is just any progressive element. A woman in charge, a black guy, a gay person, a mixed family, etc.strawman argument and you know it
>>737590829Anon... which giant social media platform is NOT owned by an openly right wing person? What world are you living on?
we're going to hit a breaking point soon where people will be too poor to buy the hardware necessary to play AAA poorly-optimized UE5 games and literally no one will buy them anymore
>>737591405CEOs are the wing that makes the company the most money.
>>737590829>Self proclaimed leftist >Have no grasp of economic Checks out.If you want to sperg, do it against the government and central bank. They are the ones who locked down people and shut down all small and medium business during Covid, so giant corps could have even more power and furthering the social gap.They are the ones that printed fuckton of money and now it's completely worthless.You complain games are expensive, but the truth is that 60 dollars in 2019 worth 78 dollars today. Everything happened to make us poor, and this shit is happening since 2008. We are now feeling the shit they did in 2020 and it's only going to get worse.
>>737591337I can see why you think that, and I promise I'm not trying to strawman anyone. I know what true "woke" is. But again, look at what little it takes to label a game woke. Both GTA6 and the new naughty dog have been labeled woke trash at their reveal trailers, because they showed a non-white female protagonist. That's literally all it took for people to say it's gonna be fucking trash. The babyman freaked out over Starfield in the first minute because there was a pronoun option. Is it, at this point, really a strawman to point out that a game can and will be labeled woke for even the tiniest bit of anything that goes against right wing ideology? I honestly, honestly do not think so. So it is not a strawman argument, because it is demonstrably happening.
>>737591516industry will adapt a la Google Stadia
>>737591405That anon is a retard but none of them have any real beliefs beyond whatever happens to make them the most money at the time. If marx rose from the grave and was elected president you would see a bunch of press releases from tech billionaires about how they've always loved socialism
ai would be the biggest, but another anon hit the nail on the head with how tech luddites are currently so retarded with their heads in the sand they have the wool pulled over themselves with ai and vidya. besides that, it's gotta be how much the east has mogged the west critically, commercially, and with fan response this decade. i knew it was getting bad but seeing stuff like the 2024 VGA GOTY nominations really exemplified how far western devs had fallen even with mainstream western critics.
>>737590465>The issue with this reasoning is that if woke shit was made well it wouldn't even register as woke,ARchcast just made an entire video on how Dispatch was the "right" way to do woke despite still being a shit game.
>>737588915Elephant in the room has been a common English saying for a much longer time than twitter has existed.
>>737591597>since 2008
>>737588915esl retard
>>737591597A lefty will spend all day telling you how they hate the government but don't want any actual solutions because they want the government to hold all the power.
>>737591974Inflation was invented by John Inflation in 2008 when he figured out a way to print legitimate dollar bills using an office printer.
>>737591731>ludditesReminder that the NVidia chink who's always wearing a leather jacket isn't going to decorate his mansion with AI art. He's going to buy art made by humans, which carries history, meaning, status and most importantly: a lot of monetary value.These retarded faggots like this anon I quoted are just trying to normalize the consumption of art that has no value or meaning for the filthy plebs who can't access real art even in fucking video games now...It's a struggle to make the plebs even poorer spiritually than they already are, and to convince them to pay for art that is worthless.
>>737591727>That anon is a retard but none of them have any real beliefs beyond whatever happens to make them the most money at the time.Which, happens to be right wing. Just, ya know. more "economical right" than "lets round up all the immigrants" right wing. Every single billion dollar CEO is hugely supportive of the GOP, because they are the party far more willing to give tax cuts to rich fucks, be lax on regulation, and generally let them do what they want. Don't get me wrong, Democrats are not MUCH different in that regard, they too are corrupt assholes taking lobbying money, but like.. SLIGHTLY less than the GOP, with like.. 10 or so people in the democrating party being openly anti-capitalist. And thats why every single social media owner leans libertarian right. It's in their best interest to make more money. At BEST before Elon Musk bought twitter, you couldn't like, say "nigger" on twitter, but that was not because Jack was a butthurt leftist in his feefees, that's because he was an aggressive buisness bro, who thought you're scaring the hoes (customers) with that shit. Like, Chic-Fil-A is owned by homophobic right wingers donating to anti trans charities. If you go into a store of theirs and yell: "KILL FAGS AND NIGGERS KILL FAGS AND NIGGERS!" They're gonna kick you tf out. Not because they disagree, but because they think you're hurting their ability to make money. That doesn't make them leftist censor hogs.
Making more less expensive games and seeing what sticks has a better ROI than one ultraflop
>>737590674Why didn't you answer
>>737592412This coincides with Dobson becoming an artist around this time as well.
>>737591861>>737592238It's that specific meme picture, you pedantic faggots.
>>737592551How would you know?
>>737591618you know as well as I do that there will always be at least one schizo who will find a problem with anything, because you're on 4chan and so is the schizo.
>>737586907Mobile games are like a money printer because the cost to make them in incredibly low and a whale will spend their entire income on one.
>>737592683Realy!?!?!?!? Developers can never know that hurr durr
>>737587385This isn't exactly what you're talking about, but I played a bit of Where Winds Meet, and there are NPC conversations entirely done with an AI chatbot.
>>737586907focus testing is the core phenomenon that is killing games
>>737592430I (the retard, not the anon you replied to) didn't even claim to begin with that the owners of social media platforms are leftists. I have no idea what their views are but I suspect they are economic liberals as you say. I claimed that they preferentially censor far right, but not far left, viewpoints - it does not seem like you are arguing against this, just claiming (which I agree with) that they do it because they want money. I also claimed that the general idea of 'a privately owned corporation that controls the average person's communication and selectively censors it based on political ideology' is something progressives would normally oppose, because they oppose excessive corporate influence, but that in practice they are supporting it and calling for more of it because companies are doing it to their political opponents.
How about an elephant with blue eyes?
>>737586981Not really. Biotech is less risky. With an average drug taking $10m in R&D alone and 7 years to come to market, startups are *damn* sure they have a viable product because angel investors are exceptionally discerning in that field. Once a drug hits FDA approval, the medical patent is basically a license to print money, especially if it's for a novel purpose or gets a govt contract.Vidya on the other hand is glorified money laundering
>>737586949I kind of is a mystery
>>737592426crazy how dumb you have to be to think you are experiencing something more or less artistic if the tweening was done 100% with or without an ai. also the fact that you even care what some faggot like the nvidia ceo does or doesn't like in regards to art shows how little you know or understand about the subject. you already enjoy the fruits of the use of AI and are too stupid, ignorant and arrogant to even recognize it lmao. truly a dimwit.
>>737592678But man, the shit I mentioned, that's not just a 4chan thing. That's a thing with the entire right wing anti-woke movement. Type in "naughty dog woke" on youtube, you find hundred of thousands of views on videos about this butch bitch and naughty dogs "agenda" and how they're ruining it bla bla bla. If it was just "some faggot on 4chan is sperging out about a bald bitch being in the naughty dog trailer" I'd be like "Yeah, that checks out". But it's not just that one shizo here. Or again take the babyface fucker yelling FUCKING PRONOUNS. he wasn't on 4chan. He was streaming. Crashing out and getting famous for being angry at the gender selector. I really don't think it is a strawman to say, that something can be labeled woke for the tiniest thing that goes against right wing ideology. I really don't. I do think that a lot of these games, that get labeled woke for that, AREN'T actually woke, but the anti-woke crowd sure as fuck wants you to believe they are woke.
>>737586907Why does this font look familiar?
>>737591974Look up quantitative easing.I don't know why I insist in trying to educate people who don't want to change their view.
>>737592917Anon, you can not say "cis" on twitter. Which isn't even a far left thing, lmao.
>>737586907the games just keep fucking flopping and not one person there is willing to change their ideology to stop it
>>737590402>anon doesn't know the difference between gross and net profit>anon doesn't know that initial sales are solely to get people into the ecosystem to spend more on mtx/dlcGo back to scamming grandmas, trying to shill online is beyond you.
>>737586907they really gotta make this shit infinite already
>>737587172>>737587487Wokeness hurts video games more than AI, the proof of this is Concord (wokeness, didn't sold shit, neither won any shit) and Expedition 33 (AI, it sold and it won shit).
Trend chasing.>Game comes out that makes a genre/sub-genre popular (extraction shooter, battle royale, hero shooter, etc)>Companies immediately want in on the popularity and demand developers, often ones with little experience in those genres or interest in making games in them, start making a game that copies those thinking it will be just as popular>Game naturally takes several years to create, and, if they're rushed, will be a bug-filled mess>Trends naturally die out within a few months to a year, with some new game coming out and taking over>Game finally releases >Game not only is trying to chase a genre that's no longer popular, but is either worse than or barely equal to games that have die-hard fans that likely wouldn't try something new anyway>Companies blame fans, blame the devs, blame people "not giving it a chance">Devs get shut down, lay offs flood the space, and entire groups are absorbed due to the failure>A new game comes out that gets popular>Repeat step onePeople don't seem to understand that trends are just that: quick flashes of attention and popularity that are replaced within the year. And games take years to make, even longer to make good. Also, if I'm obsessed with one game and dump all my time into it, why would I split my time to play another game that's basically just copying it in a worse/less polished way?It's genuinely hilarious how often you see games come out, no one plays it, then they shut down these days. There's no effort to learn from the mistake, just chase more money, eventually one of them will work, right?
>>737593696Hot take: I'd rather have trend chasing, than "capitalism chasing". If fucking zombie games get popular, and everyone gets inspired to do a zombie game? Fine. There's at least a chance the 12th zombie game comes up with some original stuff and is really fun. But this capitalistc: "Battle royale made a billion dollars, let's put a battle royale in everything" "Battle passes make money put a battle pass in this $100 game" "fomo makes money, put fomo in this $100 game". Fuck bro. Following the money is way worse than following the trend.
>>737586907None of these AAA videogames are making money.
>>737586907People still prefer conventionally attractive characters
>>737593420Didn't answer the question award
>>737586907All new live service games are competing for the same static group of individuals who are locked down already by other older more well established live service games thus there is absolutely no growth in the market at all
>>737586907gachas being way more profitable and cheapter to make than actual good full fledged games
>>737593860Most of the time companies treat them one in the same sadly. It's rare that devs are asked to make games with the same themes, gameplay depth, story, or functional multiplayer. 95% of the time it's, "Make that game but in our style and fill it with opportunities to bleed the customer dry."It's rare these days that you see something like the example you gave where a zombie game comes out that makes it big, then you get a zombie strategy game, a zombie shooter, a zombie RPG. Most often you have where devs see a popular game and copy the genre so that they can then focus on monetization aspects more than anything else. Throw it together, make the general structure match that popular game in terms of how it works, then double down on charging for every small thing.
>>737586907Ai voiced npcs with ai chosen dialouge. Every npc interaction is unique and non-scripted
>>737586907publicly traded corporations that are beholden to shareholders rather than gamers. it's quite literally the "blind men and the elephant" parable with everyone touching a different part of its many symptoms and claiming it's something else.
>>737587754they make less money because nobody buys consoles with no exclusives, thus your market base is smaller. every single generation was "won" by the console(s) that put out the most exclusives and subsequently attracted the largest consumer base.
>>737586907When it comes to new vidya struggling to sell, I think there's a heavy but unspoken factor that it's now gotten very easy to achieve an equilibrium of satisfaction with what people have and like to play. That it isn't so much of an outright rejection of the new stuff over things like quality or woke, but that everyone already has a selection of games they enjoy and don't really feel the need for much more. This really ramped up with the ascendancy of online multiplayer creating skinner boxes ensnaring gamers for hundreds or even thousands of hours of their time. It's a general erosion of appetite for new experiences because there's always that one or two things you'll always want to go back to even if those new experiences were crafted by Jesus himself.
>>737594096We're at the 9th year of Fortnite and they're still selling a billion dollars in Vbucks cards every year.Epic has no incentive to change or update. No one is stupid enough to challenge the billion dollar company that will eat your lunch. Rather, every live service game is now aping Fortnite's marketing model. The World of Warcraft cash shop has like $1200 worth of shit for sale in it right now.I'm not blaming Fortnite itself, it's a product of the streamer culture that worships fads and reactions, the base game before they added PubG battle royal mode is actually pretty boring and bland. We're stuck at this point where there's no real motivation to innovate and make something better, only to grab a piece of this pie that's been being served for a decade now.
>>737587172Considering GOTY had AI assets, that's a no.>BUT MUH PLACEHOLDERSYou can't just half-AI an AI.
>>737595458>You can't just half-AI an AI.what the fuck does that mean?
>>737595497>>737595458An AI is an AI, you can't just say its just half!
>>737595695epic maymay xD
>>737586907SHAREHOLDERS.FUCKINGSHAREHOLDERS.
>>737590402Which one made more net profit, took less time to make, didn't cost several million dollars to produce, and amassed a significantly higher player count? Answer me.
>>737590182This comment alone tells me how much of a faggot you are. Why do you care about any of that shit when you could just try the game yourself?
>>737594317The moment I thought "Man, we're fucking cooked as a species" was Banana game. Or rather: the month after Banana game. Banana game became either the or one of the most played games on Steam, and quickly a video came out explaining the scam: The drops in that game are extremely rare, but can be sold on the marketplace. The creator of the game gets a cut for every item sold, making him a lot of money, for something that is not even really a game.What was humanities reaction to this? Did we demand gabe ban shit like this from Steam? No, a week later we got HUNDREDS of Banana game clones. Fruit game, Flag game, [insert thing] game, A brand new grift has been exposed, and instead of shutting it down, everyone else tried to get in on the grift. Fuck man. Bleak.
>>737586907Only millennials are buying single-player games and even many of them are abandoning the format because of how expensive they are upfrontHaving deluxe and ultimate editions well over $100 is a MASSIVE turn off. I winced and gave in for the digimon game, but there are others where the best edition is $150 and I just walked awayAs slimy as it sounds, they need to do a better job of disguising this paypigging instead of having it in your face on the store page before you've even played
>>737586907Jewish execs are trying to squeeze every penny out of gamers while also pushing the niggerfaggot agenda and trying to remove passionate, normal white and Japanese people from the industry.
>>737586907Videogame companies and corpos are inevitably going to be rendered obsolete. The tools and means to make fancier and fancier videogames become cheaper and more accessible every passing year, eventually the tipping point will be reached where a dev will simply have no reason to join a company to make the game they want to makeThis is a good thing, by the way. I love Capcom and Nintendo and Valve and all that shit but i'd rather have an industry comprised purely by indies
>>737596016Which one is more of a rarity of success, indie game or a AAA game. For every successful indie there are 1000 failed indie games
right now its the EU trying to disrupt the GaaS sales model
>>737596698>Having deluxe and ultimate editions well over $100 is a MASSIVE turn off.>best edition is $150stop being a 70 IQ FOMOcuck lmao. i haven't paid more than $30 for ANY game for over 15 years at this point.
>>737596973the average quality of an AAA is exponentially higher. those 1000 "failed indies" were all irredeemable trash that never should have existed to begin with.
the reality that Indians, Chinese, and Koreans all drive the quality of games into the toilet
>>737597248Do you think the industry is happy with more and more people doing that?
>>737597486Do you think anyone gives a single fuck what (((the industry))) wants? Do you think corporations set prices just be magically willing people to buy at their obscene price point, or that consumers set prices based on what they're willing to pay for a given product? Just because you're a fucking retard who's brown hand rushes to dad's credit card to pay for the ultimate mega deluxe good goy edition for $200 doesn't mean normal humans are.
>>737588746A demand existed that was not being met by conventional game development/publishing. Somewhat unique to video games, the conventional outlets were deliberately ignoring this demand on the idea a different set of tastes could be dictated by publisher to consumer. Those who pointed out the dangers of this approach were pushed aside, ignored, attacked on the grounds of sexism/racism etc.
>>737597731This is a thread specifically about the industry lolIf everyone doesn't buy on launch and waits 10 years for it to be $5 then that's clearly not a sustainable model
>>737597918Why don't companies just reduce the prices if they know people don't buy at full price?
>>737597918His point is that, if the game is $60 and the deluxe version is $150, the extra stuff in the deluxe edition is being sold at $90. It's reasonable to just decide that's overpriced and not bother with it. That doesn't solve the problem that they should be charging so much money for that shit, but it does solve the problem of buying it and then wondering where all your money went.
>>737586907diddy kong racing
Worrying about 'how is the company gonna make money out of this' and generally caring at all about the finances of corporations is a stupid, self-defeating act. Your responsability as a consumer is to demand the best possible product at the lowest possible price. The moment you start larping as a bean counter of a company you're entirely in the dark about its internal workings of, you become a clown
>>737586907tl:dr: Retarded fad chasing bullshit has to stop.Waiting for something to get popular and then hopping onto it half a decade later is not only a bad idea, but a continually costly one that will never recoup the losses.You take 200 people to make a game that takes years to make, while the current crop eats the market share. Not enough are going to care about a cookie cutter by the numbers knock off game when it's a half decade beyond the fad's wind of opportunity.Looking at you, extraction shooters.
>>737587172I agree>>737593628I fucking hated the artstyle of expedition 33, while even concord had small elements I enjoyed from a designperspectiveboth I wouldn't playbut atleast something made by people I can judge on its merits like it had some intent even if there was hardly any of it put in by actual humansi didnt even know exp33 used ai and have no idea what it was nor real interest in finding out what it wasconcord i can safely say: whoever had this vision I don't agree with for the most part and don't like it
>>737598334What if the company goes out of business by doing that?
Woke games aren't shit because of the woke parts. If you removed all the woke elements from something like Veilguard or AC Shadows or Dustborn or whatever, the resulting product would still not be worth playing
>>737598762Actually, no I think Veilguard would improve to a least a 6/10 game if the woke was removed.It suffers because the characters and story are boring as shit. Even the slightest shift away from safeness would had been better than whatever the fuck they made.
>>737586907Nintendo has legitimately lost its quality now that they're expanding to theme parks and movies.All they do now is remasters or remakes and the few games they release are all catered to social media addicts (women) and the few actual games we get are either dumbed down or not as good.
>>737598762you're overestimating modern /v/. plenty of people here love shit like ass creed
>>737598581That's a lot of yap and I'm not quite sure what you're point is. You prefer woke shit so long as its not AI?
>>737595025i think you're rightmixed with not everyone wanting to spend money on "risks"I do think people settling into niches will have an appetite for more similar games in that genrei personally love "boomershooters" and og resi-like games and will gladly support more of those being madebut making the new "tf2 killer" is somewhat of a herculean feat that you can't just expect to work. especially now that hardware generations don't offer THAT much of an improvement like previous generations did. I can understand why people jumped from quake 1 tf to tf2. But cod9mw vs cod11mw? I don't see why people would care.
>>737587172stfu troon wokeness literally killed so many beloved franchies, wtf has ai done, put your troon ass out of a job??
>>737599065i prefer to have humanmade cultural artefacts i disagree with over robot made slop that is just nothing at allbecause atleast the former i can have the conversation that I didn't agree with the vision instead of something that had no real vision because a computer did it for them
>>737598945Then you would get something like Dragon Age 2. Like I said, still not something worth playing
>>737599206removing human decisionmakingsephonie was kinda cringe in a many ways, but I still respected it for what it was and being a sincere attempt to make something worthwhile and being humani prefer it and respect it over robotmade assetflip shit even if it caters to my specific worldviews and tastes
>>737599272just say you prefer woke shit to AI, why word it like you were ashamed of your opinion, are you?
>>737599460I have never heard of this and I doubt anyone else here has either.
>>737599474It gave the reasoning behind my opinion
>>737599474NTA but thats literally the statement he was agreeing with
>>737599353But Dragon age 2 is actually good.
>>737599460>literally just a generic shitty looking 3d platformerhow do you take yourself seriously
>>737599637How did people even get ninja romanced in DA2? The romance options are clearly marked with a love heart icon.
>>737599674I don't reallybut boy do I enjoy me some 3d platformersit related to my point well and if you played it you'd probably understand why it fit as an example
>>737599895i just don't see that in any way as something like unique and human or whatever, there are literally endless possibilities for what type of game you want to make and what you want the core gameplay to be, doing the same thing that's already been done a million times isn't creative
>>737586907Transistor prices.They're going up instead of down.Everything, the whole "upgrading" shit, the whole "console 2/3/4/5.." Everything is created around the fact transistor prices get halved every 18 months.Except they don't anymore.If anything, they're going up.And that's not even counting the AI shit.
that fragile egos can sink hundred-million dollar projects
>>737587172Not in a million yearsAI has barely damaged gaming or any game worth talking about so far
>>737600128It had some very personal autobiographical touches about western science students that emigrated to western countries abroad for whatever reason and lots themes around connection and biology that was unique even if the former didn't really hit a personal note to meyou explore this island with some sort of anomaly and index all the creatures on it to understand its ecosystem and slowly learn the memories of the islandI completely understand people not really caring about the gameplay or whatever, but it had undoubtedly the human element throughout it
Steam charts should get you banned.
soulslop fatigue
The industry is self sabotaging on purpose and no one can talk about it without being called a conspiracy schizo. There is no reason these companies are purposely losing millions on amateur level mismanaged projects. They either made a deal with the AI demons, bought out by blackrocks demoralizing squads, or are trying to move money out of the company before the collapse.
>>737600586*asian science students emigrating to western countries
>>737599129I'd add that past accessibility has essentially turned video games into their own worst enemy. You're asking new titles today to compete with four decades worth of classics that what once limited by only what you could physically acquire (not only games but consoles) are now mostly just a mouse click away for your favorite emulator. Any new masterpiece today soon becomes yet another added competitor to what tomorrow's masterpiece will be up against for attention, along with all the many that came before it. This also leads to another disadvantage of new titles: vetting. Not only is everything of the past so easily accessible now, but also peoples' opinions of them telling you that you just HAVE to play these things. There's guides, OC, whole communities many years strong to guide you into them. Anything new will always be a Literally Who in comparison.
>>737586907Diminishing returns. Consumers have been trained to expect big graphical leaps.
>>737600726truealthough I do think the novelty of something being new and relatively unexplored also has some appeal, but it's a balance between being "the new thing" and "literally who?"Depends on what niche you're into but we're not at a point where you can play 10/10 classics worth of survival horror games all your life to the point where something new will never get to eke its way in there yet.I wonder when we hit a point where there's so much vidya to consume classics will be forgotten. The medium is so young relatively.
There won’t be a PS7, in other words, the PS6 may be the last of its kind.
industry vet here, more and more everyday we are actively looking into the possibility of making sure our projects is proton/linux compatible, anticheat included. its getting too big to ignore. thank steam os.
>>737586907AAA women are ugly
>>737602143It makes sense that a PC publisher would want a game that runs on the Steam 'eck. Linux only grognards might not be a huge target audience, but there's enough Linux users to not want to ignore them all.
>>737587172https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8
