>So utterly forgettable that I sometimes catch myself wondering when they're going to make a Final Fantasy 16 only to realize that they did, nearly 3 years ago. Realistically, what went wrong?
It's final fantasy in name only just like everything after 10
It's the best game since XII and also happens to be the only game since XII that wasn't part of a trilogy. This is not a coincidence. Square Enix needs to stop making trilogies.
Imagine if 17 is an actual JRPG with a good storyit would sell trillions of copies
>>737600572Yoshitpiss is a hack.
>>737600572>make the game action combat but don't even do the action combat well. Even nuGoW is deeper and more satifying>no RPG elements>no exploration>can't actually visit any of the cool towns or cities.>bland characters aside from Cid who dies really early>shit story with possibly the worst main villain in FF history.>trying to be game of thrones but anybody who wants political intrigue and detailed worldbuilding in a JRPG would just play trails instead>only redeeming quality is that the boss fights look cool even though they're super easy mashfests.
>>737600572You can only control Clive which is an insult to the FF franchise by itself.
>>737600572They wanted to make Devil May Cry, realized too late they didn't know how to make Devil May Cry, and then hired a guy who made Devil May Cry to fix it. I actually liked the parts in FF16 from DMC, but there weren't enough of them and they didn't blend with the rest of the game.
>>737600572I feel like this was a budget FF because making a proper one was just too much. So they just made it one guy and action based. But then comes the "need" for tons of useless cutscenes which just ups the cost even more.
Someone explain to me why these people made an offline MMORPG too and yet their game was far more successful.
>>737600572You have to admit the first time the main baddie appears it was pretty cool. For a moment the game tricks you into believing this might be one of the greatest games ever made. It was so frightening.
It's crazy that Final Fantasy 1 had more depth than Final Fantasy 16.
>>737602018Combat itself was pretty good though, I dare say is just as good as DMC's combat or even better in fact. But the problems are many.For the first half you only have like 2 Icons, so combat is heavily limited. You have access to nothing but the most basic combo chains. For the second half they start giving you powerful abilities and as you level up they recharge faster, so you pretty much can skip the combat if you want and just spam. They didn't really fully commit to the pure action combat, so to understand and enjoy the combat you have to get out of your way to appreciate it and in this day and age of dopamine fried brains this approach won't work.
>>737603297>Combat itself was pretty good thoughNo it isn't, it's extremely braindead. 16 looks flashy but basically plays itself.
>>737602731FF took the boring parts while CD took the fun parts of an mmo
>>737602680the game's budget was actually less than $60M, FF games are usually $100M+.>>737602731Crimson is such a weird game, it's like a glorified tech demo. Like there's a bunch if things you can do but all ultimately pointless. As much as I disliked FF16 I think Crimson is so much worse and terrible game compared to it.
>>737600802Where is 15 considered a trilogy or are you counting the movie and anime
>>737603297I'd rather play dmc2 than play ff16 again, the combat is absolute dog shit and nothing like DMC in the slightest, fucking senran kagura is more enjoyable
>>737600572Lack of job system. If they had 15 jobs Clive could switch between the game would be a masterpiece.
>>737603826They could've done that but they needed to set aside time and budget for the mandatory 20 hours of cutscenes.
>>737603297Some of the specific things that pissed me off were the skill cooldowns, enemy stagger and not being able to use anywhere near all your moves at once. It seems like they were trying to be really close to an MMO where you'd set moves on a hotbar and use them based on what phase the boss is in, but they didn't want to fill the whole screen with skill icons so they ended up not pleasing anyone. I liked the game well enough to do the DLC chapters and go back in for arcade mode, but it's annoying that they got so close to just making DMC and fumbled right before pulling it off.
>>737603872That is the corporate mindset, which is why the game flopped. Story should only supplement a good game, a game cannot be good just because of story.
>>737600572With 15 you could kind of still see the JRPG elements, no matter how flimsy and surface level they were. 16 is just a shitty action game all the way
>>737600572They repurposed a FF14 expansion into a main line title. Left all the MMO in and stripped out all the rpg. There's a solid 12 hour action game in there stretched shoelace thin over a 60hr slog.
>>737600572FFXVI is excellent though and is easily the best Final Fantasy since FFX. Only Remake and Rebirth are better.
>>737604028SE honestly needs to take notes from Capcom when to comes to cutscene density.
it's a fun game
>>737600572>Clive is the blandest and forgetable FF MC to date >awful main villain>story jump the shark after the first act>fetch quest everywhereOh, btw, the combat in this game is not a poor man DMC/Automata/Bayo but a poor man Dynasty Warriors, lol. YoshitPiss is a joke.
Is XVI worth 20 buckeroos if I only liked FFVI and FFVII og+remakes?
>>737607518Probably not. The story is often tedious and overall it's disappointing. The appeal is that the combat is pretty fun.
>>737607518XVI is worth 20 bucks alone for the story and the best Final Fantasy waifu of all time.The combat is also very fun, but it does show its flaws and limitations towards the end game, because all you are really doing is just spamming cool downs after you staggered an enemy. I still really enjoyed it, although Rebirth's combat system is clearly superior.
>>737602731Because Crimson Desert is an open world herpa derp and FFXVI is not.
>>737600572Love interest is bland, boring and she's used goods.Combat is ff14 with juggle and stunlock. Story sucked after the time skip. Niche FF trope of killing God.Clive's mother should have birthed Alexander so we could've watch Bahamut V Alexander with a higher budget. Eikon cinematics were top tier.
>>737600572I was actually pretty excited about it. Combat looks a lot better than their more recent attempts in games like XV and the Remakes, even if it just dumbed down DMC, and it's the first return to a medieval setting since what, XII?Then everyone hated it and I just kind of lost interest, and whenever I think about pirating or buying it during a sale I realize it's like 170gb for some retarded reason and give up.
>>737600572>Realistically, what went wrong?You can't fuck best girl Midadol
>>737600802Kek. Hate your premise, love your pic.
>>737600817I loved the story, and it started with amazing gameplay. It just turned to shit along the way, getting worse and worse the farther you went.First 4 hours though, masterpeice.
>>737602680Yoshi P actually explained it. 16 was an add for FF14.E33 sold 8 million which is good but a couple months revenue for a GAAS, gacha, and MMO. Way better to bring in new customers for your money printer as FF7 remake showed.
>>737608420playing it on PC with mods to give enemies ultimaniac settings was pretty good. I do wish there were more normal enemy variety. Fighting the same wolves and turtles and birds gets tiresome
I actually found it quite memorable, but it's memorable for being so abrasively bad.
>>737600572This game will forever stay in my memory is the only FF game with the most based protagonist (Stranger of Paradise doesn't count), along with the most pozzed western influence
>>737602680It seems like itIt did make back its budget, but the games goal was to get final fantasy back into Zoomers minds as a viable brand and to not only make its own budget back but also recoup all the other recent lossed SQ had, but objectives it failed at.
>>737611103*other recent losses SE had
>>737600572>sells 2.5x as many copies in your path
>>737611262Faggot action slurpers kneel before turn based chads
Final Fantasy VIII>Lets make something true to our personal interests as artistsFinal Fantasy XVI>Lets try to make Game of Thrones because that's what normalfag cattle likeHuh, how did 16 turn out so soulless?
>>737600572Story was bad, gameplay was serviceable, and the presentation had its moments. So barely better than 15 which still makes it pretty bad overall.
>>737611356The Story was bad but Clive is one of if not the best singular Protagonist in the series...at the cost of the rest of the cast.
>>737603573You're absolutely right, and that's why I think Crimson Desert will ultimately be remembered much more fondly, if they support the game better than S-E does FF16, which its looking likely. CD objectively has a much better technical foundation and platform to build future content. Story sucks? Fuck yeah it's terrible. Can they create much better content with a better story with an expansion? Yes. Will they do it? They better, if they want to beat their arch-enemy Japan.
>>737604028>e33>bg3
>>737611497He is bad, act 2 and act 3 pretty much kill his character.
No one has disproven him yet.
Trash game will forever stay trash
>>737600572FF16 is fine>combat is good>story is good>world is goodPeople are upset that it isn't a JRPG, understandably. People are upset that it's a bit of a 'lone wolf' game, understandably. But it's honestly fine. It's not a stellar, class-of-its-own game, but it's just, fine.I think Square would be better off dropping the FF name at this point. It won't be possible to please the crowds having not put out an authentic feeling FF in 20 years.
>>737600572best jrpg in a decade
>>737613535They drop the F-bomb an adequate amount of times if you're not a child who flinches at its use. It's not overuse for people in situations where they are grievously injured or where shit is hitting the fan which happens frequently in this game. It's not that the fans don't matter; Square has been TRYING with turn-based games for the last 3 gens and no one's buying them. They have had some good shit released in that pile and everyone ignores them or reviews them poorly. If turn-based games are performing poorly they see it as a RISK to have their flagship franchise do the same.I agree that the dev team has probably been doing MMO shit too damn long and the game has a lot of filler. It's a problem in FFXIV too because there is enough core content that you don't need all the filler quests. But they keep adding them after every expac.
Bait post used to be believable.
I had fun but every single negative thing you heard about it is true>the braindead easy combat>the MMO quest design>the amount of cutscenes>the linear levels>the world that is 100% pointless to explore cause you only find 2 gil in pickups
>>737613817>Square has been TRYING with turn-based games for the last 3 gens No, they didn't. SE has been desperate to turn Final Fantasy into an action series since the PS2 era and now they've gotten what they deserve. Fuck them and fuck you for defending that garbage company
>>737600572this game looks like dogshit
>>737614052proof that you've been ignoring their effortsor that they're not advertising enough, idk
>>737613938I don't understand all those choices. Game had really sold foundations, nice characters, interesting world, crazy kaiju battles, but they fucked so many things along the way.
>>737614250It's not my fault that turn based FF games fly under people's radar and flop. pic related is a perfect example of a good game killed by SE because they did everything in their power to make sure the game failed
>>737614457Yeah, one example of my point, and a game like this not selling a gorillion copies is enough to make the suits at Square not want to put turn-based in a numbered FF or think turn-based is dying
>>737610139Yeah honestly even without the damage them being more aggressive and continuing to attack during finishers makes the game a lot more fun
>so forgettable that it still gets seethe threads years later
>>737613761I'm surprised they haven't considered making a FF14-themed JRPG yetI hate MMO gameplay but I find the world and aesthetic of FF14 to be really attractive, it's what I'd call "What I imagined Final Fantasy was like" when I played the OG games..closest we got to that was Bravely Default but that's a pretty small low budget series in comparison
>>737614725We don't call them Yoshipiss cult for nothing
>>737600572Fails as an action game because it does everything possible to stop you from playing it.>Here's a mission based "Arcade mode" to let you focus on combat and the best parts of the game>we are still forcing slow walk and talk shit and unskippable cutscenes on you (despite giving you the option to turn them off), enjoy your stayAt least the music was pretty good.
Im playing strangers of paradise and it literally has better action combat and you know, an actual party lmao
>>737615802>Nioh-lite>better action combatanon...
>>737613817The last time they did a properly high budget FF turn base game was FFX.>DQThose are a literal boomer game, zoomer and millennial don't play that shit.
>>737616257If you think WoFF's gameplay is bad, then I'm afraid the FF franchise isn't for you to begin with. Or you've only played garbage ones like the one in OP's pic.
>>737615969SE suits already force Horii to make DQXII more "action" like and "grimdark", lmao.
>>737602702>>737615523>>737615756>>737615969>>737616257Based mods gave the whiny turn-based boomer the boot. kek
>>737617198>>737617137this niBBa's manually typing out post numbers
>>737600572Say what you will about this game but its been years since it's release and I still see threads about it. If it's one thing it's not forgettable, people love to talk about it for some reason, which is weird because even though I liked it it was really just ok
>>737603297The game's combat solves itself from the minute you boot the game up. The "tech" the game has isn't any better than just mashing on enemies until stagger is built.
>>737607518It's not worth free. It's one of the most boring RPGs you can play.
