>Just make a good gameIt really is that simple
Then why did Marathon fail? It's a good game.
>>737605795And water is wet!
>>737605795All you need a big marketing budget.
>>737605795when did they do that?
>>737605795He's right, although marketing doesn't hurt.
you can be successful with a good game and also with a bad game, unfortunately it comes down to which has more YouTubers talking about it
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>>737606284>you can be successful with a bad game
>>737605861games revolving around griefing will eventually be populated by griefers and no one else. put souls pvp next to marathon and you'll see that you need a pve layer as well for an healthy grief pvp experience.
>>737605795good advice like this will never fail to make losers cry.
>>737606284You're missing the point entirely. Everyone knows shit games can still be successful. The point is that if you make a great game it will definitely be successful.
>>737606284not as much as you thinka lot of "streamer games" turn out to have like 3k people buying it because everyone watched their favorite streamer play it and has literally 0 intention of buying it themselves
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>>737606486this is /v/ culture chuddy, mods said so
>>737605795Simply not true. It's an oversaturated, demand-driven market.Visibility and marketing inherently matters more than anything especially in the small-scale indie space.
>twatter shitClean it up faggot janny
>>737605795>grifter nationReminder this faggot shit on games with lolis in it.
>500+ twitter screencap of a vague "make a good game" buzzphrase shitpost
Ban pirate nation threads
>jannytrannies autosage threads about actual games>jannypedos keep threads about twitter shit alive and safeSuch is life on modern 4chin>why is the site dying
Shit games can succeed by luck.Good games cannot fail even if unlucky.Most people can't tell the difference between those two, they see a shit game going viral and think luck is the only thing that matters.
kill yourself bharat_nationfuck you and your endless advertising
>>737605795>company that doesn't make games and just leeches on actual vidya developers tell people to just make good gamesbasedthat yacht isn't going to buy itself
>>737607093>steam expertOpinion discarded
Worthless thread, but I might as well ask, what is with Twitterfags and swarming around these random glowing "news" accounts that just say things, with no linked source, additional information, details on who the writer is?Is it that fucking bad now? Should I get in on this? I like supply chain leaker Telegram chats to be fair, but that shit is almost always presumed false
>>737605795It's simple. We kill the Gabeman.
that's a good thing
>>737605795Note: many devs fail this simple task
>>737605795it's simple..
>>737605861They forgot about the "make a good game" part.
>>737607169pretty, rude
>>737605795It needs to be a well made game with a good gimmick. I would almost say having a really good gimmick and just mediocre gameplay would be even better for an indie game.
Name a god tier game that was unsuccessful.
>>737605795>Good GameAKA filling a niche that lacks a quality title and cultivating autists around that till a youtuber covers it and let it explode from there.
>just make a good gameand release a god damn demo. next fests are great.
>>737605795>be valve>aquire IPS>make it f2p and fill it with microtransactions>Kill the game afterwards>When cs go released everyone hated on it and everyone stayed on source but people switched after hats and million dollars prize pools>Dota got so shitfucked its not even a shadow of its former self its a completely different game for the worse>This is ok because they hired the modders who made the original game/mod>everything after dota has been a complete failure>they didnt even try to revive artifact because the game was so fundamentally shit they would have to basically remake it from the scratch>Their alive games don't die cause people speculate with hats>There was a game called banana that had 230k players cause it dropped cosmetics to sell thats proof their sucess is artificial>Deadlock is on its way to become another concord>except its not going to die cause third worlrder and criminals are going to bot the shit out of it to get into the hats early to then speculate
>>737607984also>think gaben is so untouchable they tried to monetize mods >gaben is no different from any other gaming ceo like the ones from ea or activision>on top of that he spends steam and their games money on yatchs without giving anything back to the actual games
>>737606902Pirate faggot is a literal troon who hates lolis really makes you think. Pedos are scared of the lolis.
>>737607756pathologic imo
>>737608092didn't that just get a third game a few months ago
>>737608092it's an interesting game but not a particularly good one
>>737605795The problem is "Good" isn't one quantifiable thing.Presentation usually gets people in the door more, how you stand out, something that catches the eye in the first place.After that it's a mix of things, and you're catering to niches, you must decide who you're NOT making the game for, as in, if you make an RPG, you're NOT making it for people that don't want an RPG, etc, and so you have to understand the more specific the game idea, the less people will talk about it or even give it a try. If you make a good RTS it might get some buzz, but the RTS market is tiny, and people willing to play anything but the core RTS games, is even smaller. What makes most "Friendslop" games work, is the presentation, something neat or interesting that's carried by people "Making the moments" with each other to generate buzz, but a lot of them end up not lasting because they don't have that much or aren't super good. They live on clips, and as soon as people search for it less, the algorithm spits it out and engagement plummets. For a lot of games, getting noticed is most of the battle. Fantastic games have been incredibly niche or small, and bad games have done great. Games that aren't really that special end up being ultra popular because of the presentation (FNAF) while "Better" games just flounder.
>>737605795>Pajeet_NationStop advertising this faggot all day, every fucking day. POST THE SOURCE OR GTFO!
>valve subtly telling all the AAA failures that they're ass games
>>737607210All the smart people left 4chan to monetize their intelligence with shit like this, so why not?
>>737606443>The point is that if you make a great game it will definitely be successful.That is not true though. You can make the best game ever made but without marketing no one will ever even try it.
Why does /v/ keep shilling this guy? Or is OP shilling his on xitter?Sneed
>>737611817Pirat_Nation is /ourguy/
>>737606374>he unironically defends pvpve
ban twitter screencap threads
accept twitter screencap threads
>>737606374It's pretty telling that the only game in the genre to achieve proper smash-hit mainstream success so far is Arc Raiders, and it happens to be the only one with a system that automatically filters and separates griefers and carebears into separate lobbies.
>>737605795>Bharat Nation
It is. The issue is people think that THEIR ideas are all good, and so they make a shit game that only they like, then get mad.see: dustborn, YIIK, life is strange, any of the 80 billion indie earthbound clones, any of the 150 billion yumenikki clones.It takes a bit of forethought and talking to other people, people who will be honest, to tell you if you're doing something retarded, that no one will enjoy but you.
back in the day game innovation was all about catching up to valve
>>737605795>Valve revealed the secret to being a successful game dev>There's no "secret thing you have to know."Which it is it, OP?
>>737605795Dude that is gaslighting and setting devs up for failure lmao. Marketing is the end all be all - any indie dev could tell you steam gives you literally zero visibility until you reach certain engagement thresholds and obviously the quality of your game means fuck all if no one sees it.
>>737613994Post some great games that have zero attention that aren't pixelart, PS1 styled, platformers, card based, female protag, or metroidvanias..
>there's no trick>on a platform where if you shell over enough cash you get a full page banner on the front of their store???is he saying if your game is good then you get a banner for free? why lie??
>>737605795>Pirat_nationthe same retard that argued against SKG?
>>737614485no that's pirate software. He worked at blizzard btw but he never mentions it
>>737614327Where can I do that? I'd happily pay to get a banner on the front page.
>>737613994Right? It's like, word of mouth is great, but if you're not advertising, then how are you going to get people in to start spreading word of mouth in the first place? You'd be limited solely to the people that will be sorting Steam's releases by new, and hell: even those people aren't likely to see your game unless they're checking every day and are willing to scroll through pages of slop until your game even pops up.
>>737614692you need to make a video game first, chud
>just B.E yourself: game dev edition
>>737614793I have one. Where can I pay to get a banner on the front?
We wouldn't have threads full of steam gems under 100 reviews or so if that was the caseEvery sale I see the same shit, I see ubicrap, EA garbage and the same 20 other games I cannot give two flimsy fucks about. It's true it has been successful for some indie developers, but usually there's already enough community marketing to prop these up.Also you cannot really choose where you're placed on these lists. Every fucking steam next fest has like 7 billion demos. Nobody has time for that shit. I found some very simplistic games nobody talks about in there, but that was years ago when it was a new thing. Now for me to find something interesting is fairly difficult, but there's a huge, huge, HUGE pile of crap on top.
>>737614964proof?
>>737615007After you tell me where I can pay to get a banner on the front page I'll show you my analytics page.
I'm looking through the new releases and literally anything actually of interest that isn't low effort slop is already on the "popular new releases" tab.
>>737615105Lol that's what I thought.Refer to >>737614793
>>737615173Seems like you're just lying for bait, thanks for admitting you can't buy a front space spot, nigger!
>>737615248Looks like you are attempting to give your concession but it isn't accepted. :(
>>737606772If all you care about is money, sure.
>>737614971>We wouldn't have threads full of steam gems under 100 reviews or so if that was the caseI really like those threads. The NEXT Fests are pretty good too, especially because of those problems with just browsing that you mention. It's crazy how good /v/ gets when they actually play video games AND wants to discuss them with other people, rather than faggots like OP that are obsessed with trying to smugly lord over things, and will take any manner of shortcut to try to disqualify a game without giving it its due. This place seriously got worse when more and more twitterjeets that fell for the memes about how /v/ acts started flooding the place.
>>737607093>company that doesn't make gamescs2dota2deadlockprobably new half life
>>737613774People have been saying for decades that the most important thing about making a game is making one YOU want to play. If it's executed well, people will come no matter how weird or niche your idea is. Look at fucking Zachtronics' games, they're as niche as it gets and they sell great because the devs love hardcore engineering puzzle games and made a really good one. Or games like Cruelty Squad that look absolutely hideous but still sell because there's genuine quality underneath that ugliness.
>>737614327Valve decides the placement and don't accept payment according to Steamworks FAQs. While I'm sure under the table deals are possible, there's been plenty of zero budget games that earned the top banner because they were causing a big enough buzz.
>>737615548this is the trutheven farther in the direction of deranged: just look at free cities, people love that shit even though it's terribleheck, i even played a game about identifying plants
>>737605861Evidently it isn't if it failed.
Do not make a 'good game'. Make a game that aligns with your tastes.
except Valve is company that has 'fuck you' money, they can spend whatever amount of time on actually making the game they are satisfied with.not privilege everyone enjoys.
>>737605861clearly it wasn't otherwise it'd still be alive.Its also in a genre that burns players out because the only ones left remaining are hardcore sweats who are fine with losing days of progress in the span of a single round.PVP centric games with highstakes are a novelty that people get bored of after a few deaths
>>737605795>just make a good game, bro
>>737615904Concord cost 400millionhalf life 2 cost 40million, adjusted for inflation that's around 72million.Money can't make good games when you overstaff the company with incompetent talentless losers.
>>737605795in other words, they don't know and gave a generic answer to the question.
>>737607169loved the steam expert thread, great fun
>>737605795Like, just make game
>>737608092ah yes, a game so unsuccessful it recently released its third installment in the series
>>737605795Brutally based.
>>737605795>undertale>nier None of this is a good game, you can't predict what will become a success because of retarded midwits.
>>737607093>steam expertYup, that's me.
>>737605795There is objectively nothing more disgusting, pathetic, retarded, autistic about this industry than this type of criticism. Music, cinematography, painting, plastic arts etc. do not have this negative. When you criticize any of these examples, the criticism in question is given with an exact, defined and pinpointed accuracy, detailed and targeting a specific part of the creation. Only in "gaming" you see this absolute braindead vague shit. "Make a good game". WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY GOOD YOU FUCKING MOUTHBREATHER? "I do not like the combat". WHAT DO YOU NOT LIKE ABOUT THE COMBAT RETARD? "It feels off", "The textures look AI", "PS3 graphics", "The character is not fleshed out". Nobody that criticizes games can express with concrete examples what they do not like, it is unreal how much braindead consooooom retards are giving their opinions. "I do not like that game because X company made it". What don't you like about it? "It feels off and souless". Okay, give me an example. "LMAO SHILL LMAO JUST MAKE A GOOD GAME LMAO". What is a good game for you in this case? "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOO""valve designer" with such a mindset. Fucking hell bro, it's unreal.
>>737607093He looks so much cooler as a bearded old man than the clean shaven fat cunt of his youth.
>>737605861Because they already made it and called it Arc Raiders.
>>737618413Does anyone have that yearbook with young Gaben next to Ainsley?
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>>737611320point us to a really good and appealing game on steam with very low buys/reviews
>>737618708Slay the Spire 2. It's really niche.
>>737607756NEO TWEWY
When I found a game I really like, I willingly shill it for free in /v/, either in hidden gem thread, rec thread, or thread related by genre.
>>737607984I don't touch TF2 hat speculation/trading and I'm still playing it years later because it's fun
>>737611320Don't be this retarded in public.
>>737618708How would he know said game exists if it has no buys/reviews? Do you genuinely believe that every single good game has the exposure it deserves?
>>737605795>You should make a good gameWoah cool it with the antisemitism
>>737605861Because it's not a good game.
theres lot of shitty games on steam that sold well only because it has boobas
>>737607093>steam>sales>steam sails>gaben has an insatiable thirst for yachts fueled by sales on his platform steamKojima...I-I'm sorry i doubted*KNEELS*
>>737605795Based. I can't wait for HLX, bros
>>737619191How many hours have you played to judge it properly?
>>737619117i can't say for sure the amount "it deserves", but I would almost guarantee that there is no actually kino game on steam with basically no sales.and every time this topic comes up, materialists come in to cope about muh marketing, muh "the game's rigged against me anyways, I better be a defeatists faggot so i never have to put in effort into anything ever", and not a single one of them has ever posted one example that would go against the idea that an appealing and good game will always sell
>>737620084Must one consume feces to know it's unwise to do so? Nu bungie is full of trannybbq employees, I have no business with them.When it stinks like shit, it is.
>>737606443Like God Hand, Wonderful 101, and
>>737620706Can you even explain why you dislike Marathon so much or do you just mindlessly parrot everything you read here?
>>737605861*Marathon* got a sequel? I had all the games in box sets...one moment while I go check it out.Ok what the fuck is this shit?
>>737605861The budget didn't match its appeal. Niche games operate on niche revenue.
>>737605795>just do something we haven’t done since the orange boxThe sad part is Valve troons will 100% eat this up despite Valve contributing almost nothing in over a decade. Even fucking Microsoft has done more. Christ.
>>737605861mac exclusive
Are you implying DEIlock isn't shit?
>>737620781These were not good games, because if they were good, they would be successful.
>Pirat fag twitter breadLive. and make this board even worse you cocksucking indian.
