What the hell happened to this entire profession?
Troons
>>737611647People en masse realized a few years ago that journos aren't actually experts at games and thus their opinions have no more value than any random asshole's opinions.
It's where failed writers go, just somewhere with incredibly low standards.Now AI can do the job just as well so it's dying rapidly.
>>737611647Game journalist is an embarrassing title, which is why it attracts losers
>>737611647Same as with regular journalism, it got captured by special interests and is now just part of a marketing and conformity machine
>>737611647They're just token characters in a mass demoralization campaign at this point - the oven dodgers corrupted media as a whole, at least gaming is resistant to their turbo faggotry.
>>737611647best example for corruption
>>737611647Five guys
>>737611647Profit avenues changed from selling a subscription to instead getting money from ads, so there quickly became no point in actually hiring competent people anymore. All that matters is that you drive clicks, so often controversy is a better motivator than quality. It kinda sucks, because I'd definitely like to see like, a modern online gaming fanzine or something to fill in the gap, but the economics of it just don't line up, so now everyone just has their own Youtube channels instead.
>>737611647I like how she's not playing games.
prostitutes>>>>>>>>> lawyers>>>insurance salesmen>>>>politicians>>>>>>>>journalists
>>737612221There are real journalists, rare but they actually exist. Investigative journalists who get off their ass and go out into the world to obtain information that nobody else is.Games journalists and clickbait headline spergers are just recycling articles they saw somewhere else on Twitter or Reddit and adding their spin or opinion to it with zero effort or expertise.Which is why a couple of news outlets reported that Hideo Kojima assassinated the Prime Minister of Japan.Zero effort, zero quality control, zero brainpower.
>>737611647>Influencers became popular, and they are cheaper than paying a corporation.>90% of articles are clickbait and AI can do that for close to free.>Journalism in general has never been less trusted.
>nobody took video games seriously in the 90s so basically impossible to get media funding outside of ad buys from the people whose shit you're supposed to be critiquing>media conglomerates generally uninterested in reporting/reviewing video games so never got the same advantages movies, TV shows or books got>"legacy" games media was basically dead by the end of the 00s>everybody is just scrambling for ad clicks, algorithm plays and bugging people to subscribe to patreons or other subscription services
We're running out of internet
>>737611647>What the hell happened to this entire profession?Journalism majors.In the early days of videogame magazines no one called themselves a journalist, they were just gamers writing articles. Then the journalism majors discovered video games as a way to get a job. They sold publishers on the idea that they could write better content and it didn't matter that they didn't know anything about video games because they could learn. Then once they got the job they did what all journalism majors do they used their control over media to push the social and political agendas they were indoctrinated with in college. They never bothered to learn about games, they just criticized them for not being what they wanted them to be politically or socially and turned the whole system into an employment program for failed journalists.
>>737611647it was never good, even in the 90s
>>737611647"profession"
>>737612365Marketers and astroturfers like assmongoloid etc aren't the same thing but zoomcucks probably can't tell the difference lel
It was an probably still is full of bribes and backscratching, early access free copies of a game in exchange for positive reviews. Merchandise gifted no charge, sometimes sleeping with bosses to climb the ranks.Then some company called Kotaku arrived and it was years on end of:>YOU RACIST>YOU SEXIST>HOMOPHOBIC>WE HATE YOU WHITE GUYS>REEEEEEEE! TOXIC MALES>UNREALISTIC WOMEN BODY>X CHARACTER IS OBESE, ANY WHY THAT'S A GOOD THING>REPRESENTATION INCLUDEthe imaginary fantasy getaway was ruined
>>737611647Back in the day you had a steady flow of income from sales and subscriptions. That guaranteed impartiality and independence. Nowadays hardly anybody buys magazines or has a subscription. So the only way to get by is:>Sponsorships>Wealthy shady donors (this is what most newspapers do) >Ads So now journalists are reduced to doing PR and nothing else.
retarded gamers think reviews can be objective and shit their diapers and cry when a journo gives a score they don't agree with or has a different opinion.journalists are slowly phasing out and being replaced by paid marketers on youtube that WILL follow the publisher mandate and WILL tell their audience what they want to hear. no integrity required
>>737612345>Investigative journalistsAka key jockeys
>>737611736>it's dying rapidlyI just made their job easier you mean.
>>737611647Nobody needs game journalists now that we have Twitch.You can just watch gameplay and make up your own damn mind instead of listening to random people who don't share your tastes.
>>737611647Gamergate happened.
>>737613000Implying anyone gives a shit about the opinion of some loser on youpoop
>>737612365>InfluencersWe used to call these 'shills' back in my day and i see no good reason to stop calling them that
>>737611647>doesnt make very much money>companies who publish it are pushed into endless growth by their parent companies though>before you know it, 100s of do-nothing staff>need more money>switch away from actual reviews/journalism and change to sensationalist buzzfeed-tier reporting>purposefully give opposite reviews to what everyone expects to generate clickbaits for their algorithm and advertisers>over time consumer trust gets eroded>instead of fixing the problem they double down on their retardation>gradually laying off staff here and there, a few sites closingYOU ARE HERE>more companies close>cultural shift completes>they will suddenly all stop being woke and we'll think the problem is fixed>we end up getting the reverse for 10-15 years until the next pendulum swing
>>737611647nothing, it is a buzzword for "woke activist gamer i dont like"
>>737613162anyone that uses the terms "influencer" or "content creator" have already fallen for the shilling. they bought into it hard even if they think they are above it. they are shills, always have been and always will bethe only """people""" that get influenced are low IQ subhumans
>>737613162You ain't wrong.What marketers want is trust, and people trust e-celebs more than journalists.
we used to get the gameinformer mailed to our house, but a long time ago i was told the magazine was cancelled and out of print. understandable, magazines went the way of the dodo. but today i walked into gamestop and saw a brand spanking new full printed paper gameinformer on the shelf, what gives man??? I've been missing out for how long now???
>>737613243Boomers get influenced by news channel and xwitter and zoomers get influenced by slop games and youpoop influencers, gen a get influenced by guy in a toilet
>>737612651Actual journalists don't study the science, but go to selective schools. Very few come from poor families. Remember the snitch from 1st grade? That's a corpo journo alright.
I remember growing up and seeing Lara croft on a bunch of PS1 magazines, other times it would have Spyro or Crash. You'd always get a demo disc with it one was Kingsleys Adventure about some fox.I'd never ask my parents because they were way too expensive at like $10 (90's) and for some reason in the candy aisle of the grocery store, so they'd be viewed as childish. Nowadays the only magazines they sell are Womens weekly and celebrity gossip better homes and gardens boomer shit near checkout so certain customers will grab it as a last moment impulse purchaseNo more sexy video game girls though, last i saw was Tidus for cutting edge graphics FFX & recently launched PS2
>>737611647leftists happened. imagine if back in the day something like Citizen Kane came out and reviews were like ''this is too white and offensive''?they ruin everything they get involved with.
>>737613243>anyone that uses the terms "influencer" or "content creator" have already fallen for the shillingPeople who say "my partner" or "problematic" deserve the rope as well.
>>737615060what's wrong with partner?
>>737614861political alignment has little to do with this
>>737615536Comes across as detached, unloving, contractual and corporate.
>>737615573wrong.
>>737611691This shit started way earlier than when troons became such a thing.
>>737614861>>737615573It absolutely does actually. Tumblr townies were ardently leftist before getting into the industry. Those fanatics became the progressive intersectional stack leftists of up until recently, getting into every company, and consultancy firms, such as Sweetbaby and its subsidiaries, pushing progressive leftist rhetoric.
>>737615986maybe you're too young to remember, but rightoids did the same thing
>>737615573Leftys have been censoring and shitting everything up for 30 years. Yes, political alignment has everything to do with it.
>>737616075No, they didn't. Jack Thompson and Joe Lieberman were Democrats. besides them, conservatives never had the institutional power that leftists now have. The internet rising as leftism did is a great contributor of that. Even during the Great d&d and pokémon card era, both exploding with a satanic panic, were nothing like what the government used the leftists to amass. funding, global funding like USAID, literal riots in the streets burning down city blocks? nowhere near the same.
>>737616075When, the 60's when they lobbied against that devil's music? Fuck off, retard.
>>737611647>Extra CreditsMan they had quite a shitshowy history. But how was Dan era seen back then? I heard conflicting opinions and Shure people Look at his times with rose tinted glasses. Also abaut the TQ. The early stuff was filled with actual gamers/nerds who knew how to write articles and wanted to share the info abaut a game. Then came the dudebros, then SJW's then...ya know the rest passicaly see pic.
>>737616202yeah, good example
>>737611647Partly money spoiling the system. SEO basically demands slop on constant flow so there's no room nor incentive to make real journalistic efforts. Make a lot of articles, make them quick and make them controversial to grab attention. And then you have the fact that anyone who values the profession likely aspires to greater than rag writer and twitter debater.
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>>737612651Very few game journalists are journalism majors, the real reason why you see agendas being pushed so hard since the 2010s is due to how said content generate more clicks than anything else so pissing people off became the name of the game.Now that doesn't work anymore and you can see sites like IGN switching sides to try to get an audience.
>>737614861Leftists were already a thing when Citizen Kane got released lmao same with movies and critics focusing on racial shit, in what sort of bubble are you living?
>>737611647>Calling journalism a profession
>>737616979but they didn't hold the power that they have now, don't fucking pretend and act dumb.leftists always act ignorant. I'm tired of it.
Game journalism that talks about new games became pointless when we got Game companies started sharing news directly using Twitter or YouTube wo having to use middleman for screenshots and coverage.And when Video Reviews by random people who acualy play games become more trustworthy and valid sources of information on if the game is good or not than any game journalist.If i listened to Game journalists i would have Skipped over Black desert and Mouse P.I. and Bought Concord and Marathon on Release.
>>737611647Private Equity. It's even buying up all of the Youtubers too.
>>737617061Maybe its because they really are ignorant retards?
>>737611647The ones with integrity died out because they didn't sellout and shit's too retardedly expensive to just do it even as a hobby without begging for like/ subscribes/ patreon/ etcThe rest defend shit like concord because they're paid to do so, and think movie games are A-OK!!!Also, I kinda hoped this thread doubled as a mob face thread, oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>737617219Nah, don't give them the benefit of the doubt llike that and assume they're dumb. They're sneaky and sly, they outright lie to your face and then act coy when you press them.they do it on purpose, intentional or not.
Luckily there's still Jason Schreier
>>737611647> games journalistit was ALWAYS just a marketing arm for nintendo/sega/sony/microsoft.journalism is a fake profession. watch some small youtube autismos/devs if you want to hear non mainstream shit about games
>>737611647Their audience werent 16 anymore and realised maybe it was stupid to be listening to the opinions of a high school dropout communist cult.
You have no idea how much I miss game journalists in the 2000s.
>>737617061Both are garbage Lefties act ignorant, but righties take pride in being ignorant I will say though, at least righties appear at a glance to leave vidya alone, assuming you don't consider soulless corpo decisions as righty shit
I tried looking up what was in the newest 1 year anniversary Expedition 33 update and got an article by Game Rant where most of the article was it beating around the bush, talking about the game's success and previous updates before finally telling me what was in the new update, all while being barraged with ads.
>>737617437show me where I said I agree with rightoids, because I don't. they both do the same shit they just go about it in different ways.the horseshoe theory is real because rightoids and leftoids want the same hing in the end. I am more critical of lefties though, because they hate me simply for being white and they double down whe they see the runes I have tattooed on my left arm because it's apparently a dog whistle for nazism.fuck both sides cunt, and fuck you if you disagree you punk ass bitch
>>737611647Idiocracy.No matter what medium you are looking at, the moment it becomes big, the general demographic will become retarded. This creates an echo chamber of retarded opinions where any normal, well thought opinion, will be seen as the wrong opinion. Childlike behavior like "Ill like it to spite the mainstream reviewers" is one of the most retarded "That will show dad" takes going on right now.See also The Mario Galaxy movie.You can enjoy a bad movie/game and there is nothing wrong with that, but good critics look with a different kind of eye to mediums. A shit story in a video game might not be a deal breaker to most(me included) but a critic must point out and deduct points if it is shit.
>>737617194>Black desert and Mouse P.I.Jesus christ it sounds like you need a game journalist, you've devolved into eating from your toilet. Also not to defend the LA commie cult called game journalism but concord reviewed like shit and got a 62 on metacritic so you're mad at an invented enemy. I haven't played marathon but since the people who hate it seem to love black desert I'm starting to think it's a hidden gem I should check out
>>737617568>show me where I said I agree with rightoidsNever said you personally do, I was more making a generalized statement>fuck both sides cunt, and fuck you if you disagree you punk ass bitchidk, you tell me if I disagree, >>737304985
>>737617568>the horseshoe theory is real because rightoids and leftoids want the same hing in the endLeftoids think they're doing what's best for everyone (or at least what lets them virtue signal as morally good). Unfortunately this usually results in suicidal altruism and ignoring the negative results of their policies because they're committed to doing "the right thing" and they've already made up their minds what that is.Rightoids, on the other hand, are usually more openly selfish. But often this actually winds up with them finding the correct course of action for people in their own nation, and also means they delude themselves less about the nature of reality.When they're not Trump supporters at least. There, the delusion will let them believe anything, for the same reason as leftists: they decided a long time ago that Trump is right, and they'll go along with any of his dementia riddled ramblings even if they know they disagree.
>>737617952I previewed the link but didn't enter. I'm Aussie not American so that shit is irrelevant to me.my wife is american though so I might see what she thinks of it.
>>737618087lefties will act like they're doing shit for righteous reasons, but in the end they're just a bunch of ugly social rejects using that shit so they can ''i'm a good person'', fuck them and I hope they rot.they're so ridiculously fake and performative.at least rightoids are a bit more upfront about how shitty they are.
>>737618087I refuse to believe that they think they're actually good people. Leftys are malicious, they know what they're doing is wrong but they do it anyway. Fuck them all.
>>737618314truth.
>Still being actively directionbrained in 2026 America You people will never learn.
>>737618314Journalists are evil and should be removed. You can see how they report on Trump and realize why the whole profession is a joke. Game journalism even more.
>>737618269Based anon.
>>737618358You have to remember that a large part of /v/'s userbase today is rightoid twitter users that were kicked out of their website during that stretch of 2014-2022, and came to 4chan because A) they bought into all the memes about it being a place for contentious irritable retards and B) mistook /v/ being against SJWs as /v/ being right-wing. Whereas the reality is that proper /v/ anons hate only 2 things:1) politics of ANY direction being in relation to video games2) video games
>>737618440nah, you're the based one if you agree with what I'm saying. hope you have a great life.
>>737618107>I'm Aussie not American so that shit is irrelevant to me.Fair enough, but I was moreso illustrating my distain gor far right AND left nonsense, but idk how that translates to Aussie>my wife is american though so I might see what she thinks of itI suppose her reaction could be an interesting litmus test
>>737618314I do believe that a large portion of them believe they are genuinely doing the right thing. There's just major cognitive dissonance at any evidence they aren't doing the right thing.Of course there are also legions of virtue signallers who do not believe what they're saying.
Twitter before Elon had these fag journalists cover for them hard. Now everyone openly shits on them without getting banned, Jason moved to Bluesky too.
>>737612651Literally this
>>737618585this is all wrong. How long have you been here? were you around for the fauxmoi and kiwifarms invasions? I personally have been here since 2008, there was a period where i joined the exodus and used 4chon.net, but I'm a 4channer through and through. and let me tell you, there's definitely a more right wing tinge to this site than leftist. all leftist shit comes from reddit refugees and cunts from kiwifarms trying to sow division.4chan was always right leaning, why do you think m00t had to remove /pol/ originally? use your goddamn head and think about it.
>>737618597>I suppose her reaction could be an interesting litmus testshe just shrugged and told me to stop shitposting on 4chan. her actual words: stop fucking arguing with 4chan peeps and come to bed
>>737611647Were you good at games you'd be either a professional gamer or a streamer at the very least. No one cares about a fucking journalist opinion
>>737618783>twitterjeet rattles off his article skimming in broken English in an attempt to gain credence before pushing more direction-brained shitSurprising?No.Disappointing? Somewhat.
>>737613051Not really, corpos hate wasting money, they'll pay you to do anything BUT stay on your ass.
>>737618945don't you fucking dare call me a jeet.
>>737611792literally who
a few thingsGames journalists are overstaffed with English majors that thought they would be writing articles for legitimate publications. Turns they could only get a job at online blogs and rags. You have a bunch of people who know nothing video games writing for a field they actively have contempt for because they aren't where they thought they would be with their career. The elites only see video games as two things a vector for propaganda and the best value per dollar to monopolize the attention economy. Games are different from other media because you have a captive audience who is highly engaged with multiple senses. Playing video games literally rewires your brain in ways impossible to achieve with other media. It doesn't hurt that it is currently the most profitable vector in the entertainment industry. Who are they going to hire to advertise and pump their messaging. People not smart enough to question their methodologies and motives along with those people who are more than willing to push their propaganda.
>>737611647started off being shameless shills and never stopped
>>737619105don't you mean to say>SAAAAAAAR, do the needful. do not call me fucking jeet.my brown friend
>>737618858She sounds alrightCongrats on having a seemingly level headed partner, Anon
>>737611647Video game journalism was always a comically biased joke.They were all flat out funded by video game publishers.
>>737611792why does anyone still care what this retard has to say when he made it clear he's bethesda's whore
Economics, you can only run a gaming news site off ads because there isn't any real "Journalism" needed (You aren't sending a reporter into the jungle to learn about some abuse or whatever), so literally anyone can make them and the entire field is saturated.This kind of happened in real journalism too, where the bar has been raised so high only a few actual organizations remain with enough journalists to cover the field, and they are usually expensive. The Financial Times for example has very good journalism but it costs me $1000/year or there about to read it, nobody is paying that for bing bing wahoo commentary.
>>737619441No they weren't. Woke ruined vidya journalism.
>>737619376dunno where you're from cuz, but if you consider this brown then I have 3 choice words for ya:getsomesun
>>737611647It was always a fucking joke
>>737618087>Leftoids think they're doing what's best for everyoneNah, only the young, cynical fucks at the top know it's 100% about power, Foucault and Attila the Hun, same type of person.
>>737619546>I'M NOT FUCKING BROWNN!!!!!!!>outs himself with a pic of an xbox controllerTwitterjeets, everybody.Good morning, saar!
>>737619546oi paco, you still brown.
>>737611647Education pipeline radicalising students.
>>737619202some youtber who got his fame from making vids about doom wads/doomclones/boomer shooters but turned out unsurprisingly to have a stick up his ass and to be a massive shill.
>>737618597I don't know how we ended up in the position that hysterical religious arguments are a right wing thing along side groups like militant antichristians and godless capitalists globalists and shit. This entire left-right wing divide fucking sucks to actually articulate anything. I think we can generally agree that censorship sucks and is nearly always unnecessary
>>737619492lmao it was always shit, they were bribed with shit such as posters, figures, keyboards and mousepads etc.There was also always something popular to seethe about>1996-2000>Seething about 2D games>2000-2009 >seething about JRPGs>2006-2012 >seething about games having more color than brownetcSorry not nostalgic for any of this shit
>>737619620white people prefer xbox controllers though, because they're bigger, heavier and have superior stick placement. bro we can do this back and forth all night if you want. there's not a single instance where I wont blow you the fuck out.
QUALITY journalism brehs
Anyone can jump on YouTube and be a "journalist"It's actually a zero skill job, so random nobody YouTubers are doing just as good a job at actually reviewing the game, and possibly better because it's not getting to their heads.
>>737619668weird, i didn't know I was non-white. it raises a few questions, like, how did I end up in australia born from a hungarian/scottish family if I'm actually a latino? o algo or some shit.
>>737611647>happenedIt always was like that, retard
>>737619868>it's raining stockbrokers in tokyoModern journalists would never
>>737619757>'because they're bigger, heavier'>posts light as shit later-gen Xbox controllersHrmmmmmmmmmm>'all night'>time in the White, Western world is currently morning-to-noon (not counting Aussies as they're even less White than Italians)>check the time in India>it's starting to be evening HRMMMMMMMMMMMYeah, you're brown, and as much as I love raping and gaping you over this fact, the longer this goes on the more likely you niggas are gonna send out another Ghandi into the world to be annoying, so you shan't be wasting any more of my time, SAAR.
>>737620053it's 9:22 bro
It went from nerds selling magazine subscriptions which were quite profitable to a mass of incompetent retards looking for handouts for writing glorified ads.
>>737619708>I don't know how we ended up in the position that hysterical religious arguments are a right wing thing along side groups like militant antichristians and godless capitalists globalists and shit>hysterical religious argumentsWhen you contextualize what it takes to be a "good follower", you don't question, and just blindly believe big speaking voice you trust, and at least in murica, "Christians" are very much convinced they're victims 300% of the time, so it's comforting to know you have a political party "on your side". Since muricans are obsessed with "winning"/ being the biggest/ loudest/ fastest/ etc, they don't mind who they're lumped together with, as long as they have the illusion they're getting what they want. It's incredible the mental gymnastics that takes place when you question the true nature of "pro life", because abortion is the worst thing ever, but capitol punishment, war, and big health fucking over the underprivileged literally to death are all perfectly acceptable Reagan, the enabling of a pro capitol over pro labor market, and the corporate takeover have mindfucked millions for generations> I think we can generally agree that censorship sucks and is nearly always unnecessaryI absolutely agree
>didn't play long enough to know there is a run function
>Only one guy played the game more than 10 minutes
>>737611792>"Bantering" Aussie>Is actually a hystronic faggotEvery time
>>737620468I still watch him but whenever he makes a your mom joke I think back to the GTA IV faggotry and laugh at him, rather than his joke.
>16 bit console titles>The Taito F3 Package System (Taito Cybercore in North America) is a 32-bit arcade system board released by Taito
>>737620535I've never met an aussie that wasn't a sputtering housewife pretending to be a "based rebel". Literally the definition of that image >Art should disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturbed but it should never ever ever ever ever say nigger
lmao
>>737611647It was always garbage.
>>737620669Worth noting here this is the review for the western release, which was stripped down from the larger JP version. Every criticism levelled at it is warranted.
>>737617303>they do it on purpose, intentional or not
>>737611647It was never a real profession, they're basically game advertisers and are usually paid by game publishers in one way or another
>>737611647I read a monthly game magazine in a local library. Game journalism is pretty nice around here.
Gotta love seething about 2D graphics
>>737620053>>737620106oh i get it now, you're mad that im a white australian with an american wife and you feel threatened by men fromm my country. I'm sorry that chris hemsworth exists and that new guy that's thirst trapping american girls now, what's his name? jacob elordi or something. bro, it's not our faul;lt that we're taller, stronger, more handsome and whiter than you. one thin that always stands out to me was my wife telling me that the men here were physically larger than people in oregon and washington.
>>737620907as in, it's intentianal and disingenuous on their behallf but their intent differs a lot. there's a lot of misguided leftists that think what they're doing is the right thing. Does that make sense or do i need to reword all of his and try again?
>its 2D so totally the 16bit systems could run this game well
>>737612692Nope. Some magazines like C&VG in the UK were brilliant, because they were written by guys that fucking loved games.
>>737621258this* so many typoes, my bad
>>737611647All the trash games having a high player meta score but low critic score tells us gaming journalism is still important.
>>737619105>>737619546wtf is that huge scar tissue on your arm
>>737611731Took em long enough
>>737621664Errrrrm its called a bottom surgery beauty mark, chud
Where'd that fucker go? I can talk about controllers all day and how superior the xbox pad is.>>737621664The bottom one was from attempted suicide about 10 years ago, the one on top is from a tendon transfer
>have one(1) job, which is to reliably inform people about games that are coming out, and be an entertaining presence within the gaming community>consistently fail to do any of this>get replaced by Youtubers and streamersWow, how did this happen?
>>737619105Didn't do yourself a favor, son. Stop ruining your body with toxins like ink, cheap beer and smokes. Stop that immediately, remove your tats, at least the cheap ones that are visible and start a healthy lifestyle and dress for the job you deserve to earn it rightfully. Go in peace.
>>737611647Rothschild realized by controlling the horse messengers he could make up anything he wanted. Hence he told London France was invading and bought all the property. Humanity has been enslaved since and media has been controlled by lying kikes.
>>737611647Being honest and genuine isn't profitable.
>>737611647it was always shit
>>737621757>attempted suicide about 10 years agoYou doing okay these days, man?
Video game review rule set>Current thing we are mad about deduct 4 points to the score>Game is from a small/non famous publishing house deduct 3 pointsBig game publishers were always favored this is Famitsu giving FFXIII 39/40 lmao
>>737611792>this aint italways makes me laugh they tried to force this.
>>737611792Nobody tell him that you can shoot up the gay nightclub in the Ballad of Gay Tony
>>737611792Street whores don't count as civilians do they? Otherwise yeah I don't attack civilians either.
>>737621815I have an appointment for a virgin mary tat on my right arm scheduled for this tuesday, other than that alcohol is something I literally have to drink atm because I went 2 months sober, then drank 2 bottles of vodka and ended up with severe withdrawals, my doctor unfortunately isn't back until 2nd of may so I can't get valium, so i have to drink slowly and steadily to fight off seizures. >>737621890definitely a lot better, life still sucks but I'm not suicidal at all anymore. I'm actually really happy usually. thank you for asking.
>>7376198At least they got the title right. Could be worse.
>>737621232>Rayman looks just as gorgeous as it did in 1995 >Runs great >3D game from 1995 >Looks like shit and runs in 10 fpsImagine being mad about Rayman
>>737621927they always assume the demeanor of a disapproving black woman, because that's the only source of authority they understand.>Mmmmhmmm, that aint it, honey....Sir, you're a 45 year old white man, who works in an office.
>>737622291literal bollocks game tbf. All it ever had going for it was pretty graphics. >yes, I would like to play through half of the game before I unlock the ability to run, pleaseImagine that in Mario. it would be awful.
>>737622053at least you are white tho
>>737611647imagine watching that channel after nazigate
>>737619819>>737619868>>737620045Looking at these reviews in retrospective I have to say i'm very glad I had a PS1 with a modchip. I really would have had the balls to purchase anything other than games published by Capcom, Konami and Squaresoft.
>>737611647the reaction to gamergate was the ultimate redpill that had extremely far reaching consequences for more than just game journos but the entire profession.
>>737622370That doesn't exist anymore. They are journalists, not spies. Their investigation is done via computer.
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>>737611647The faggots and women in school that hated you are now games journalists because fuck you.The guys who would have been games journalists before are now making 20 minute rant videos everyday about how gay everything and women ruined our medium. Kind of ironic when u think about it.
>>737620627World>Here’s the kind of game that reminds you why Japan keeps leading the pack. From the very first level you are leaping across bottomless pits, slashing through enemies, and squaring off against rad bosses. The action never lets up. Controls are razor sharp, stages are packed with variety, and the pace keeps you locked in for hours.>Visually it is a showpiece. Bright backgrounds, fun characters, and fluid animation that makes every move feel alive. The soundtrack pushes just as hard, pumping out tunes that make you want to keep going even after a tough loss.>Most important: it just feels good to play. Every challenge is tough but fair and every victory feels like an achievement. This is the kind of action platformer that proves Japanese studios know how to mix style and substance better than anyone else.UK>Bloody hell mates, what a load of bollocks this is. Another so-called smash hit from the land of karate and karaoke madness. This one's all flashy sprites and more bright colours than the Teletubies. Oh and a soundtrack that bangs on like a drunk lad with a saucepan. The Yanks will tell you it is a masterpiece. We say it is just about tolerable if you’ve got sod all else to do.>The levels look grand at first, then the game starts taking the mickey out of you like a right tosser. Traps everywhere, a main bloke who bounces about like a prat with jumps tighter than a bird's minge, and bosses that hit harder than your dad after six pints. Plain rubbish, innit.>And yet, you keep going back for more, like a daft mug. Once it gets its claws in you, you and the other wankers swear, kick the telly, and still fire up another round. The bloody thing is harder to put down than a pint on a Friday night. Addictive? Sure. Clever? Not a chance. If you're the sort of bloke who enjoys being mugged off in the teeth and wasting hours of your life, fill your boots. For the rest of you lot who can't be arsed? Bin this Nipponese dross.
>>737622517that's always a positive.
>>737611736>Now AI can do the job just as well so it's dying rapidly.Because cobbling together millions of random shit posts constitute as news for you? You really don't like to think?
>>737611647Dead profession. They were rockstar, shills who decided the fate of the next game, publishers tried to buy them with gifts. Then yotube and streamers happened and they lost everything. Sony still supports them, because some suit likes tradition
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>>737624612This one's correct though. There's a reason most people only became aware of Fromsoft after DeS.
>>737611647Was games journalism ever professional, though?
>>737611647Gamergate lost so fucking hard!>Internet becomes more censored>Games still getting censored and Japanese companies pander to the West harder>Game journos only became irrelevant because gaming Youtubers replaced them, carrying the old problems and bringing new ones>The RW's that GG sucked up to turn out to be pro censorship and "hate degenerates">Lefties are pretending they never supported censorship and try avoiding any responsability for what led to current events>Culture wars reaches the masses, so even your grandma speaks words like "snowflake" or knows about pronous in bios>Info around Sarah Nyberg, Alison Rapp, Dan Olson etc memoryholed and not even the supposed "anti-woke" types like Grummz or Asmongold bring it up>Sharty are a thing>Sargon bombs a political movement and Metokur sounds like a corny rightwinger>Nobody even acknowldges how SomethingAwful started this all or remembers the Tumblr exodus anymore>Sharty are a thing>People memoryhole internet lore to "be normal" as if normies aren't already brainrotted from all this shit anyway>Even Loltaku got troll's remorse>8***n owner creates QAnon then caught with CP>>737611691People like this don't even know "troon" is an SA term.
>>737624726No>>737621894We're there 80s or even 70s game mags?
>>737611792GGGmanlives was known as "the FPS guy" at a tine when there wasn't really any other.The more people got into FPS games and other e-ecelebs popped up, even the most casual gamers learned how full of shit he was.Remember: He reviewed the Unity ports of Doom 1 and 2 by comparing them to fucking GZDoom, when everyone knows that source port isn't that faithfull.
>>737624726No, but it used to have guys that were genuinely interested in video games and understood journalistic integrity on at least a theoretical level. Today it's cultural activists who failed to get into actual journalism writing nothing but opinion pieces with antagonistic headlines to farm for clicks.
>>737624726When it became professional in the mid 2000s is when it died.
>>737624972how is the sharty related to Gamergate?
>>737624612That "reviewer" was famous for being obsessed with Zelda games and absolutely retarded with every other games.
>>737611647you don't remember when game journos declared gamers dead and then the entire journalist field / talk show / UN industry came to their defense. Then you started seeing behind the curtain everywhere you looked?
>>737611647death of printed press game journalism and rise of online "journalism"
>>737626642the UN laughed at anita and zoe for being retards
>>737611647they were always shit, but when you interacted with them monthly via a magazine their bad opinions weren't as grating as they got when you started hearing from them daily via the internet.
>>737611647Theater/band kids couldn't find work in their field so they latched on to anything nerd adjacent. It's why the entire industry is shit
Game Journalist is not a profession. In the old days it were just gamers who did reviews and articles as a hobby. Sometimes get got instant noodles if survive and keep writing. It had nothing to do with journalism. If I have a blog on the net, I'm not a journalist.If I make flyers and not a journalist.Gaming Journalism was never and will never be a thing
>>737611647The cost of a degree in journalism is over $125,000. The cost of a degree in 'data journalism' is close to $200,000. Normal people can't afford to enter the field any more. You need lots of money to get the degree, lots of connections to land a job. Talent and skill don't factor in, and blue collar journalists are a mythical creature that once abounded but no longer exists, like an honest leftist.
The role of a video game journalist should be to seek out industry information and pass it on.What we call journalists are actually critics, and most of the time they are critics who operate within a framework of promoting products to consumers. They aren't even the classic critics who used to tear works apart and ruin authors' chances of success.
>>737618783When did Kiwifarms become a left-leaning website?
>You start a game review site>You need clicks to generate revenue otherwise its a money sink>You must pay editors, writers, IT, server costs, etc.>OTHER site shows up and has the same costsHere's how it goes down:>You review honestly showing no bias to games with a complete objective view on it. =>OTHER site does not and gives out 9/10 or 10/10 to big AAA games>OTHER site gets kick back from those companies like early previews, event invites, ads to be run on their site, early review copies.>All of these things bring more eyes and more clicks getting them more revenue>You cannot generate this despite being being honest with your view. Eventually the costs offset your revenue and you have to shut down>OTHER site thrives because its backed by the Publishers of games using essentially "bought" reviews to get their games to sellThe other case is something like Kotaku where they make troll headlines to piss off retards with no sense of self control who cannot help but go read the article.
>>737626786Untrue. Why would the UN ever do that? It still at least once per area calls Japan misogynist and pedophilic because of manga.
>>737624972>tfw the reason why everyone forgot alison rapp is because the media made it about "mean gamers harrassing a poor woman" while gamergaters focused more on her husband because they were obsessed with anthony burch jokes at the timethe nintendo pedo employee was never exposed
>>737621757>the one on top is from a tendon transferI can't believe we have a transtender on 4chan
What do you mean, "happened to it"? They were always like this.
>>737621757>Suicide attempt>Tranny lighting
>>737613000>nothing is truly objective so I should be able to lie with impunity
>>737611647Unironically how they reacted to gamergate is what caused their decline. Instead of taking their criticisms seriously they doubled down and called everyone who complained a sexist racist. Since they became even more untrustworthy after gamergate people stopped listening to them, ad revenue declined and you see the sorry state today where most game new websites are shutting down.TL;DR is was their own fault.
>>737628025troll's remorse, which is also what lead to the sjw/woke culture to begin with
>>737628813that is coincidental and kinda funny, but I swear im not a transgender person. i like the colour blue a lot because i like water and was a star athlete in relation to swimming, purple is my mums favourite colour so i like that too. i think it's pastel blue and pink you're thinking of, you can't even insult me correctly.
>>737614861yes leftists are retarded in general but in this specific case, it was progressives who did this, you can't just blame all of them
>>737628025Witch hunters and moral grandstanders have always been majorly leftists. Zoe Quinn infamously bragged about being deeply involved in Something Awful’s Helldump forum, which frequently doxxed people to the point of suicide and was run by an actual nazi. Leftism and autistic fixation on “lolcows” goes hand in hand for some very interesting reasons.
>>737629276>no no, it wasn’t the whole of X, you have to blame just the YThen why don't the Ys do more to call out and denounce the Xs?
>>737629306>Witch hunters and moral grandstanders have always been majorly leftists.I see we're just making shit up again.
>>737611647It was never a good profession to begin with. In the 90s and 2000s, they were retarded meatheads, and in the 2010s to present day, they were film school rejects who were bitter that their job was to write about an “inferior” art form.Then again, 90% of critics are hacks regardless of medium.
>>737611647Most companies wised up and brought their public relations in-house, so the pay-for-play sector disappeared. Anyone with credibility went independent or to a broad publication (i.e., Bloomberg) so all that's left is nobody bloggers trying desperately to pad a portfolio to work somewhere more meaningful hidden under a wall of intrusive ads they need to keep the site afloat. The part of the pay-to-play sector that remained recognized that it's easier and cheaper to pay influencers than to pay for all of the corporate overhead at a corporate outlet.
There has never been a standard or ethics in journalism for video games. Even before gamergate, video games journalism has always been a joke. In old games magazines in the 90s and 00s, games reviews were just shitposting in-jokes and sarcasm. It has never been serious, and has always been populated by retards in their 20s. But in the past 15 years or so troons and women also joined the industry. Historians, scientists, engineers, those are professions. Writing in a shitty blog about some video game is not a profession.
>>737611792video games are just like real life
>>737628813That's vaporwave lighting, tourist
>>737621757>attempted suicide>down the road not acrosshuh
honestly the same that's happened to most professions out thereunironically; professionalism and specialization 20 years ago, a 'game journalist' was just someone that enjoyed playing video games and knew how to read and write english/your language of choice, now it's a specialized field where you're expected to have some literature degree, which of course comes with all the narcissism and theatre kid retardation I was talking to a bud of mine that's been doing gamedev studies for a while now, and what he was taught for example was that game design and map design are two different things; how does that work?I had a long debate about it with him, my point being that 'how the fuck do you design a good map for your game, if you do not have the knowledge and interest of a game designer', and what came of it was 'well they're two different jobs for two different people', but how the fuck do you put this into practice?well, I know how, you end up with a team of 300 people with extremely specific skillsets and 0 overlap between them that end up doing their own thing in their corner and have to make up for it by having dozens of meetings every week to make sure the map design change won't affect game design too much, or whether the art direction deciding to change the color of some effect isn't going to completely fuck up the player's perspective, etc etcthe same is true here, it used to be a job that was lighthearted and not to be taken seriously and slowly but surely you end up with parasites trying to outdo everyone else in that very specific field and end up foregoing everything else, no matter how fundamental or important it is
The number of people who think roleplay will lead to actual crime is depressing. We've been over this like a million times, the two have nothing to do with one another. It literally doesn't matter if it's violence, rape, whatever. Stop changing a word and then acting like it changes the argument. Why are people still fucking talking about it? There are no gacha elves in the street, Dungeons & Dragons players aren't casting fireball on you with a gasoline-filled tennis ball, RapeLay did not spawn a rash of train rapes. I really wish people would get over themselves and mind their own moral limitations.
>>737611647Marxist subversion
>>737629764>I was talking to a bud of mine that's been doing gamedev studies for a while now, and what he was taught for example was that game design and map design are two different things; how does that work?The game design works on a lower level. It decides how the game works. The map design then creates an environment that accomodates those ideas. It's a downstream job.
>>737629732Are you dumb? cutting horizontally is attention seeking shit that won't kill you, cutting deep vertically slashes the arteries, not only do you bleed more but it also hits all of the right spots. literally just google it. there's a reason e-whores on onlyfans have a bunch of horizontal scars, have you never wondered why you don't see a bitch with them vertical? it's because they're dead, goof.
>>737611647They sold out.
>>737629784You don't believe that behind closed doors, in the privacy of your own home, alone when nobody is watching, roleplaying dangerous situations for extended periods of time may imbue certain emotions that could spill over in to real life action?Terrorists start by reading and watching propaganda, paedos start by consuming CP, these lifestyles often lead to people getting hurt in real life. Why are video games some kind of exception again?
>>737611647Journalism is supposed to be about being unbiased and providing accurate information.Journalism was hijacked by activists who spread misinformation.
>>737611647The whole answer is in that thumbnail.
>>737629764Journalism has always been a dirty word, there was some famous writer from more than a century ago who said that he would disown his son if he became a journalist or something in that line.
>>737629764lit degree?my dude the requirement is that you are wealthy enough and went to a good enough school to know game developers who will source information for you firsthand, and that's itwhich makes the situation even worse because its just nepotism: the industry (and always has been.) really, on that level specifically, that's how all journalism works, but typically you need more impressive connections and less "oh my cousin owns part of Blizzard"other people come in sideways by pursuing something physical without connections, like sports writing or writing about industry events/game jams, they're what people tend to think of when they think of journalists, but they're by far the minority of the scenethe whole thing is like which nerds partied most successfully, and that's why you got shit like the Zoe Quinn situation (which desu is par for the course and that's one of the reasons journos closed ranks and turned a tiny incident into a weird class war)
Reminder that critics usually make bad artists with only a handful of exceptions.
>>737629959Demonstrably incorrect on every level. Who told you that?
>>737611647They were always worthless.
>>737630074Real life and history informs us that it is correct. Do you think people wake up one day and become mass shooters, or does culture and behaviour and lifestyle create monsters?
>>737611647Basically killed by youtube video content creators and the decline of magazines and reading and rise in higher quality, easier accessible, quick to upload, easier to make videos and more people who know how to do it. Not to mention games journalist has such a corporate sound to it and the way youtube monetization and now patreon works you generally cut out the business Jew who takes a cut of your money and do it yourself. A lot of the traditional games journalist types don't really cut it for the video form and new competition and lost their jobs and left the industry
>>737630149You're just making statements. There is no evidence that any of the behaviors you listed result in a greater likelihood of criminal activity. In fact, there's some compelling evidence to the contrary in at least two out of three cases.Just making statements about the world that sound sensible is not a replacement for a rational worldview.
>>737629885and I completely disagree, and whatever slop you end up making next will be outdone by some random 3 man indie team again and againthe idea that map design isn't 100% reliant on game design is batshit retarded, game design is 'how player interacts with world' and map design is 'world', how can anyone expect one to evolve without directly affecting the other, or I guess it doesn't matter in the modern AAA movie game slop where map design is just an excuse to show off RTX or something>>737629990right, but you're thinking of paparazzi shit here, video game journalism like it was in the 90's-2000's was some fat fuck realizing how doritos and mountain dew mixes so well together while writing for some low budget magazine with lara croft's tits on the cover and their job was mostly trying to find a few fun quips and then tips and tricks to play the game better or smth, you can't compare that to whatever we have nowtho ofc streaming and youtubing basically replaced them>>737630024>wealthy enough and went to a good schoolso, a lit degree?completely agree with the nepotism shit, all these retards are the usual linkedin crowd (which simply replaced facebook down the line) where all they do all day is try to build connections with random people with nice titles and hope one of them leads them to their next jobbut that goes with the lit degree anyways, because what the fuck else are you going to do with such a degree, teach english to middle schoolers?
>>737630262My rational worldview is built on a foundation on facts we already know about psychology, events that have already happened, and a mountain of evidence from past crimes that have been committed. Endless streams of American retard mid-western teenagers shooting up dey moms and pops cuz dey got grounded n shiettt, cody and tyler shooting up the game cause they didnt make quarterback, and spent like 20 hours a day playing cod and doom in the 90s. Shut the fuck up you retarded child, OBVIOUSLY there is a connection and the onus is on YOU to prove otherwise.
>>737628813>Enjoy hobby>Suddenly trannies>You are a tranny for enjoying hobbyYou probably can't even brush your teeth without seething about trannies, while I play MGS without a care in the world.
>>737628660Dont forget she was also moonlighting as a whore and forcing her husband to whore himself to men too. That bitch was a complete degen.>>737624972The irony is that gg was a lower level conflict that heralded worse on the horizon. Nothing was learned from it by the left, and it was only used as a tool of vilification, ensuring the timeline we're in would occur. Now the entire gaming sphere is gg, and companies are collapsing left and right, devs losing their jobs nonstop, the left, journalists and devs being evil has become ubiquitous to the average customer online, and the vidya industry is in the midst of a real crash, all while pc parts are exploding in price from a doomed to fail ai venture.
>>737630424Uh, no the burden of proof rests with the person making an affirmative claim. Until you demonstrate the connection statistically, it holds no water. The bar you're clearing, even in the most favorable reading is:>They did it before they committed the crime, so they were connected. It has happened before, so it happens all the time.The bar you need to clear is:>Consuming this content increases the likelihood that a person will go on to escalate their behavior or commit further, more grievous crimes.Which, as far as I'm aware, every meta study has soundly refuted in each of the cases you mentioned.And here's why:>He had ice cream and then he shot up an ice cream shop. Having ice cream means you will shoot up an ice cream shop!Most people learn about the difference between correlation and causation in freshman year of college, and you have yet to even prove correlation. I don't think you're nearly as objective about this as you seem to believe.
>>737630424Yeah, it's totally because they were playing CoD and not because they were ostracized freaks, bitter with the ravages of their wasted youths. Your vapid generalities don't convince anyone.
>>737628947Lol. That's like saying chess is bad because you can't form alliances with the king, or use the bishop to convert other pieces, etc.
>>737630913>chess analogy
>>737630770>no the burden of proof rests with the person making an affirmative claim.Its an affirmative claim stacked with evidence that you to the contrary, have never been able to disprove historically besides a shrug of the shoulders. Time after time when presented with the nutjob that shoots up a school because he became obsessed with a video game that allowed fantasical parameters to be set to feed his mental illness, people like you have convienently ignored it. Curious..>Which, as far as I'm aware, every meta study has soundly refuted in each of the cases you mentioned.They haven't, because what meta study can refute direct interviews with witnesses, defendents and suspects saying it? No meta analysis disproves what people have directly said influences them. Want to try again?>Most people learn about the difference between correlation and causation in freshman year of college, and you have yet to even prove correlation.The correlation is when someone who's just killed multiple children in a school, tells the investigator their video game obsession that allowed his fantasies to run wild, directly inspired him to commit the action in real life. Do you understand what causation/correlation means beyond what you've heard spouted in some podcast slop debate?
>>737628025it has a large female userbase. Also why they seethe so much about trannies. There are rightwingers, but the women there are like holycows protected by josh, since he's a mega simp.
>>737611647they never recovered
>>737630747GG is fascinating to be because it was arguably ground zero of the culture wars. Depression Quest ended up indirectly creating the political landscape of the modern world.
>>737631156>stacked with evidenceOkay, link it. >They haven'tYou can't just reject statistical evidence with anecdotal information. I mean, you can, but nobody with any academic background is going to be convinced. This is just an effort at populism that you've integrated for some reason.Then you bring up another anecdotal example, relying on the testimony of a deranged killer nonetheless. You really don't know how to think. And I don't mean that as a throwaway 4chan insult, you are woefully intellectually emaciated. Please take a philosophy course and a statistics course, for your own sake.
>>737611647Filled by normalfags who hate video games but can't cut it as a regular presstitute, so they ruin nerds' hobbies instead in order to justify their worthless degrees.
>>737631416All started too because of a retarded woman and simps who HAD to protect her. Tale as old as time.
>>737631504>Okay, link it.I'm not spending all day proving to you something you refuse to believe yourself. If I come home drenched in rainwater, and I say its raining outside, if you choose to ignore the evidence and close the curtains so you can't see outside that its raining, theres no pointing engaging. >You can't just reject statistical evidence with anecdotal information. I mean, you can, but nobody with any academic background is going to be convinced. This is just an effort at populism that you've integrated for some reason.The statistical evidence is a collection of data which includes court cases and witness and defendent interviews, dumb dumb. In the end, occam's razor favours the evidence and the most logical outcome with the least amount of elements and it is not in your favour, its in mine. Therefore, you have to prove otherwise
>>737631169Of course it has a large female userbase, it's a gossip website! That doesn't make it leftie, and the leftie women on there were chased out of the left-wing for not welcoming transtrenders into womens' lockerrooms.
>>737611647Lost the trust of their audience and have done nothing to try to gain it back
>>737611647they already had low credibility due to not actually liking video gamesbut then they absolutely tanked it by running interference for major companies for over a decade as said companies became worse with every releaseand now that any influence they may have had is gone, companies are pivoting to different means of advertising
>>737631828>and the leftie women on there were chased out of the left-wing for not welcoming transtrenders into womens' lockerrooms.That's their only quibble with the larger left. Most of them are still the same.
>>737631985>That's their only quibble with the larger left.That and the rampant censorship from what used to be the side of free speech.
>>737631156Nothing of the sort has happened and you don't have any evidence of such you lying hysterical moron.Most school shooters play videogames. This is because most people of ANY kind play videogames. Videogames are some of the most popular hobbies on the planet. You might as well blame listening to music or breathing.
>>737631814How convenient. You're sure that the data is there, you just don't want to find it. You haven't collated it, but you're positive there's enough of it to overwhelmingly reinforce your claim (which is inverted anyway, you need to prove that it increases incidence in the general pop, not that most mass shooters engaged the content.) Your first argument boils down to: It's obvious. Which again, is not an argument. Even your analogy is deeply flawed, 100% of the time it's raining near you and you do not have an umbrella outside, you come home wet. You can control any number of other variables to isolate the causal mechanism. You simply cannot do that, especially since millions of people play these games and there are not millions of mass shooters, so we know that some set of interventions exist between the game and the individual that could confound correlation (even if you were to demonstrate it.)>The statistical evidence is a collection of data which includes...Where have you seen this? You haven't.Occam's razor applies here in allowing me to entirely dismiss your claim as the ramblings of Jack Thompson's ghost because you have yet to demonstrate even a single proposition that I couldn't completely refute in a sentence.
>>737632103>Nothing of the sort has happened and you don't have any evidence of such you lying hysterical moron.So you're denying all the school shooters and mass murderers who've directly told courts, police, judges, psychologists, that their deranged ideas came from obsessive video game playing? Dude, drop the fucking larp and grow up, I know you like video games because this confirmation bias shit is making you look very retarded.
>>737629395They are though. Leftists absolutely love oppressing people. They love the thrill of power it gives them, and they're always quick to find/make up an excuse to do so.
>>737611647Original game journalists were nerds who were into tech and enjoyed not only the games themselves but the technical aspects Current year journos are retards who either thought being a game journalist would mean getting paid to play vidya 24/7 or couldn't get a job anywhere else and now need to save face by telling their college friends how they love their jobs and are trying to make gaming a more adult or mature medium
>>737632074Considering saying anything they don't like immediately gets you banned from the girl centric lolcow forums states otherwise on their belief of freedom of speech.
>>737632228I promise anyone with a shred of education will treat you the same way because you're being an unhinged Facebook boomer in the middle of 4chan's videogame board.
>>737632228Yes, I'm denying the shit you made up you delusional lying retard. You haven't presented a shred of evidence because you haven't got any.
>>737632161>post all the cases in this 4chan thread otherwise your argument is invalid!!grow up loser. Did the senators in Rome halt all debate and speech in the Senate and rush to library to find the book and find the page with the data point to back up his sentence when it was contested? If you deny your opponent heuristics in a discussion it just goes to you're very insecure in your position if you can't allow for the acceptance of basic public knowledge that shooters have gotten their ideas from video games before. You're like a flat earther here, maybe its you that needs to take some philosophy classes, kid.
>>737611792in his defense, if he doesn't outright state his displeasure of t hat clip and someone in australia finds out he watched it, then he could go to prison for 12 years because their justice system is a joke
>>737632249We're discussing Kiwifarms tho, not Crystal Cafe or lolcow farms. They're all different.
>>737632297>>737632303>y-you're lying and making things up because I don't want it to be true!!Genuinely pathetic and embarrassing behaviour. I hope you're no older than 21 years old.
>>737611731>a few years ago
>>737632541He probably means normies. We've all known they're borderline retarded for decades at this point, with even more evidence coming out like the cuphead journalist video, but normies have only recently really been catching up.
>>737611647everyone figured out the journalist industry is a literal conspiracy
>9/11 didnt happen>but it did>post it right now!>wont waste my time>see! he cant prove it! it didnt happen!the absolute state of this retard
>>737632489>We're discussing Kiwifarms thoI was specifically talking about a lot of the women on kiwifarms, not kiwifarms itself.
>>737632464>Books are bad! I can't be arsed to Google something in three seconds even though I have the time for an extended 4chan debate.>Basic public knowledgeThere you go, again with the "it's obvious" argument. That's not an argument. And now you're adding some great anti-intellectualism and imaginary barriers to it, things are going great for you here.>Denying heuristics Sure, you can have them. What argument are you compressing? The argument from anecdote? >Shooters have gotten their ideas from video games beforeAnd there it is, the goalpost shift. Beautiful.
>>737632638Another dogshit analogy that boils down to "it's obvious" and breaks down in all the same ways the rain case did. Your problems are even more severe than I thought, you don't seem capable of learning at all.
>>737632665there's also crystal cafes, something awful, and luelinks which are more or less all the same thing
>>737632705>There you go, again with the "it's obvious" argument. That's not an argument. And now you're adding some great anti-intellectualism and imaginary barriers to it, things are going great for you here.You decided, bizarrely, to disqualify the "obvious" argument yourself, but it is and always will be an argument, as that is what constitutes occams razor, which is summarily dismissed because you started to look like a fool and backtracked hard when you realised you have to prove against the evidence stacked against. Still waiting for that evidence. >What argument are you compressing? The argument from anecdote?Demonstrating already that you don't even understand the argument, needing to ask what the argument is. What a fucking retard, the argument that, high profile cases for decades have established deranged losers turn to killers by having a video game obsession. >And there it is, the goalpost shift. Beautiful.This has always been the argument. You need to scroll up and start reading the posts again buddy
>>737632769The rain analogy absolute fucked you in the ass, because you had to make up autistic rulesets and shift the analogy about umbrellas and how it could rain anywhere, it genuinely humilated you. If you deny reality and make active attempts to dismiss observable axioms in the world, you are delusional.
Access journalism. They are too friendly with the developers and publishers. A lot of them see their job as being a stepping stone to doing PR or writing for game companies (and it often does work out this way).
>>737611647For me it was the Cuphead tutorial.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbE6fqBuGkA
>>737632972I haven't backtracked at all. Believe it or not, this entire conversation is preserved in text and all you need to do is scroll up to recognize my position hasn't shifted once. I've just been summarily dismissing your claims because you're treating this like a freshman English paper and its trivial to do.>It's obvious is an argument.Sure, and it's as trivial to dismiss as "no, it's not" for the two reasons I broke down in response to your rain analogy.>high profile cases for decades have established deranged losers turn to killers by having a video game obsessionYou've again snuck a causal link in here that hasn't been read by any serious scientific publication and your evidence for it is "it just is, okay!" (It's also not mutually exclusive to the argument you're trying to defeat, which is that your claims can be summarily dismissed as they come without evidence aside from that which is apparently too difficult for you to find yourself, despite having the time to continue getting refuted ad nauseam. Then you have to address that it increases incidence in the general population, which this series of words does not serve in the slightest.)>>737633081Just saying something doesn't make it true. I'm pretty sure the other commenters here have made it plain that you're borderline having a public meltdown. I'm big chilling; it's been a long time since I felt this sound about an opportunity to mock someone here.It's pretty telling that immediately after saying you moved the goalposts and explaining how, you're accusing me of the same in the very next post. Really emotionally charged kindergarten stuff here.Anyway this is getting boring for me so I imagine the audience is probably just hoping I stop responding so you'll stop posting.
>>737611647>profession
imagine your entire world view boiling down to "its obvious" and anytime someone disagrees you have a spastic meltdown trying to bully them into silence using the biggest words you know, but you'll just be BTFO'd by anyone who took AP Stats anywaysad life but many such cases
>>737633407>Sure, and it's as trivial to dismiss as "no, it's not" for the two reasons I broke down in response to your rain analogy.Your rain analogy response completely ignores occams razor, thats where you are falling apart. The most obvious answer should be investigated first, you choose not to, because muh video games. This is where you're getting stuck. >You've again snuck a causal link in here that hasn't been read by any serious scientific publication and your evidence for it is "it just is, okay!" (It's also not mutually exclusive to the argument you're trying to defeat, which is that your claims can be summarily dismissed as they come without evidence aside from that which is apparently too difficult for you to find yourself, despite having the time to continue getting refuted ad nauseam. Then you have to address that it increases incidence in the general population, which this series of words does not serve in the slightest.)The evidence is freely available, written and studied about. Ultimately your denial of the evidence stems from your bias in this conversation. 1. You don't want it to true2. Therefore, its not true until you spoonfeed me info about it3. And even then, I will find ways to pick at it because I don't want it to be trueYou keep mentally shadowboxing yourself into corners and making up times of goalpost shifting, at no point have I done this. I have always said, video games imbue emotions in shooters in the past and there is documented evidence for it. You have gone in to a tailspin over it, because the truth has hurt you.
>>737633645Imagine denying reality because you don't agree with it, then setting up stupid tests for people to spoonfeed you information you'll never accept, because its the truth you disagree with rather than the person saying it.
>its raining outside look im drenched>no its not *closes curtains* could have been from earlier w-wheres your umbrella!!>why would you deny this? its obviously raining outside>erm you know obvious argument isn't an argument right?Imagine being this autistic
>>737630747Funny how you don't mention the right
>literally billions of people play video games all across the world>mass shootings are only a frequent occasion in one country of less than half a billion people>"video games cause mass shootings, it's obvious"
They're nepobaby jobs for trust fund kids that want to get into gaming but couldn't. So their daddy that own the stock of those companies tell them to hire their kids.
>>737628025That troon broke them and their gay siteJersh is also a fag who just eats up whatever whore has some drama on some lolcow>Whore lies about DSP>Jersh pulls the GUYS TRUST ME SHE HAS EVIDENCE BUT UH YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE ME OK?>Ended up being a scam>Same thing happened with Turkey Tom>Ended up being some bitch mad about a break upShit hole site
>Look the mass school shooter told the police, the therapist, the judge, his parents that he was obsessed with these video games>erm sorry the metadata disproves this..
>>737616043Troons have been around since Weimar Germany
>>737611647Marketers were told they were journalists at a time when journalism itself was being flayed alive and turned into a skinsuit for marketing. They developed swollen egos from their rotting human leather rain jacket.
>>737634218Asbestos is found in old buildings across the world and literally billions of lived in them for over a century. Billions didn't die, but people have died from asbestos exposureTherefore, there is no evidence asbestos is unsafe :)
>the mentally ill retard who shot up a school said video games made him do it, must be true
ah yes lets dismiss all direct evidence we have because it hurts my feelings and i personally play video games, the truth doesnt matter, my feelings do
>show me the evidence>no, not like that!!
>>737625201I knew he was full of shit when he did a retrospective of Prey(06) and it just glossed over the games glaring flaws.
>>737611647Only the biggest failures ended up in it - surprise all leftoid retards who can't even play gamesand then it got mocked into non-existenceEven a lot of leftoids hated gaming journalism before GG and then that started slobbing its dick nonstop which just helped people hate it even more
>>737611647Journalists are unnecessary when developers and publishers can reach consumers directly by livestreaming their own industry events, or paying to have their product placed in another company's livestreamed industry event - Nintendo's Direct, Sony's State of Play, TGA, SGF, etc. etc.The function of video game journalists was always economic. Publishers aren't (or weren't) sending journalistic outlets review copies of their games out of the goodness of their hearts. It was an unspoken economic contract. We give you what you want (exclusive coverage), you give us what we want (positive publicity). I doubt the average /v/irgin even remembers this at this point, but the indirect violation of this implicit contract is what caused Jeff Gerstmann to be fired from GameSpot. This led to the founding of Giant Bomb, a site which, ironically, ended up accidentally anticipating what would replace games journalism: content. Livestreaming, multimedia, parasocial attachment to internet personalities; this is all the stuff that "content" cares about.The result is that you have>legacy "video game journalists" who no longer fulfill a practical function, publicly proclaiming the death throes of their industry every day on social media, yet who hold onto the pretension that they are "legitimate journalists"and>young, impressionable retards with no professional or ethical standards who will restream your industry events to thousands of viewers, for free, without you ever having to do anything>and if you do do anything for them, they'll shill for youThe former group has no reason to exist. With the exception of a few legacy journalists who made it out and made a reputation for themselves (Shcreier, Gerstmann, maybe Danny O'Dwyer), their basically a caste of untouchables that publishers have literally no reason to humor with pretensions that they matter at all.Shit's fucked.
>>737634474>literally billions of lived in them for over a centurybillions of what? sure wasn't people
>>737635037Should be made clear that this never was journalism. That's just being a shill for hire. If you're not printing something that people would rather you don't, you're not doing jourrnalism.
>>737611647Jews
>>737628958>why isn't your opinion on this game objectiv>E?E>E>>>??? REEEEEE>CRIMSON DESERT IS A 10/10 SAY IT!!! SDAQIITY IT NWOWKWEKEWWWW!!!!!!!! SAY CREIMDON DESSERT IS TENNNNNNNN
>>737617061>say something retarded>"that's retarded">something something making discourse impossible every time
>>737635812>a shill for hirethis is what journalism always was and is.
>>737635037this is an accurate and informed post, but I want to reinforce that many current / former journos *do not realize this is the case*. they genuinely believe that their formerly-massive audience numbers were because of incisive, hard-hitting reporting & immaculately crafted opinions, rather than solely because they held exclusive access to information.this is particularly strong in the "reviews" game, where they previously had to fulfill *three* functions>buyer's guide: "should you buy this game">art criticism: "what was my personal response to this game">exclusive content: "check out exclusive details on this latest game"...because they were the only game in town. now, this has fragmented: you can get exclusive content much more easily via the publisher, or more openly-paid shills they've selected. you can get art criticism from endless 3-hour youtube essays. you can get a buyer's guide from anyone on the internet who shares your tastes, likely *much* more closely than some kotaku dangerhair does.but they don't know it. they genuinely believe their opinions are more informed and important because of their Legitimate Status, that was only ever a bought-and-paid-for smokescreen. basically the only thread they have left is getting published on metacritic -- and as soon as publishers realize they should care more about audience scores than critic scores, that'll go away too
>>737634271>That troon broke them and their gay siteWhich one? There are so many both on that site and targeted by that site.
>>737611647Nepotism
>>737611647>game journalist>professionLmaoEven journalists are barely a real job
>>737637541I completely agree senpai
>>737637541>good news is that anybody who knows their worth is staying the fuck away from gamedevThis is the actual reason btwGame dev attracted a ton of people who just want to work with video games and accept laughable wages and horrible treatment in an oversaturated industry, so anyone with skills and dignity steers clear of it.
>>737613128/thread
>>737637702I used to be, another thing you can thank Reagen for
>>737611647Gaming journalists haven't been relevant post the time they held our attention in printed magazines back in the early 2000s. And you can see exactly why we don't pay attention to them anymore in pic rel.This was never the same people we interacted with back in those days anyway. Never the same from those of us who sent in fan mail to or even the banter hate mail in which they used to print in their magazines before they became hyper sensitive bitches you see today.It's not to say that some weren't egomaniacs or anything like that. It's just that the ones you see now are far worse than what we dealt with in the past. The people who work in the profession now don't report on things that interest us and demand that you trust them on their review scores because of some phony credentials insisting that they're actually important.Back in the day so many gaming magazines were printed that you would be delusional to tell anyone off for acting as if that they're the only one must be trusted.
>>737612169It I was rich I'd fund something like that even if it makes no revenue
>>737626186i would assume that that OP was attempting to cite it as a fragment of the "trollsphere", but now they are worse than the farms with pedo moderators that ban anyone they disagree with for rule 1,2 or 6, and commit federal felonies on a regular basis.
>>737611647There's two issues with it:>FinancialsNobody pays you to write interesting anecdotes about a hobby. Nobody has ever made a living doing this. Hobby writers are part of the industry's marketing apparatus. You get paid to provide exposure and positive press for a product. Basically, you shill.30 years ago, you could shill subtly and maintain a facade of integrity, but then web 1.0 blew up because nobody was making any fucking money.No matter how you put on airs or characterize yourself, you are a shill. Your job is to be the plant in the audience that proclaims the miracle tonic cured your syphilis. If you break from this mold, the industry stops giving you access and you stop having content to write about.>reputationYou are paid not proportionate to your willingness to lavish praise on mediocrity for pay. You are paid proportionate to your audience. This means cultivating as large of an audience as possible and tailoring your audience to the kinds of products the industry wants to shill.This means two things1. You network with other career shills to amplify each other's content, legitimize one another's writing and support audience growth. You collaborate across the industry to create a kind of ecosystem that exists to expand reach, tailor its appeal to specific audiences and elevate yourselves within that ecosystem to thought leaders. You want people to be taken in by this fiction and buy the things you shill, so that the industry pays you more to shill.2. You play the algorithm, hard. Everything has metrics and analytics and you have to pander to those numbers in extremis to maximize engagement and ensure the audience you build is made up of the demographics the industry wants to target.Combine these things and you create an egotistical circlejerk of socialite charlatans clickbaiting, ragebaiting and generally bullshitting because it's the optimized way to drive the engagement that finances you.
>>737611691Yeah man, gay people made the games industry completely buy out journos, yeah, this wasn’t happening in the 90s.
You don't need gaming journalists or critics. But most gamers (yes that includes you brownoids here on /v/ right now) are incredibly stupid and regardless of all the signs pointing to a bad game, they will still buy it.
>>737639068This exact sentiment has made me stop listening to reviewers and made me watch essayists to better articulate what I didn’t and did like about my favorite games so I can find more like them. Reviewers as a concept really no longer function in the streamer era. Seeing the thing work in action versus a secondhand account in a vacuum really changed people’s perspective, despite like 70% of streamers being completely godless hucksters.
>>737639361>watch essayistsGrim
>>737639594The quality varies, but unlike a reviewer, an essayist will usually only bother with the large amounts of work needed if they're really invested into something. So you at least got that massive hurdle out of the way.From there you just gotta find a few that aren't retarded.
>>737639361Video essays are for sub-100 IQ mouthbreathers, written by people who passed high school with all Cs. There is no variance; you are retarded and must repent.
>>737639594I’d rather watch analysis on decade plus old titles than get the newest ray-traced turd crammed into my eye sockets Clockwork Orange style, sorry. It’s my way of keeping podrot at bay.
>>737611647>>737611691White supremacist Nazi Zionist grifter.
>>737639862You'd get better results asking here than giving ad revenue to some retard with a shitty mustache and a mullet trying to LARP like he's from the 80's
>>737639838Wow, anon, you are so persuasive and well worded, you convinced me, I will now put the same amount of stock I put into analysis into advertisement. Thank you.
>>737611792He's such a fucking faggot. He called Resident Evil 5 a "survival horror shooter". Cunt doesn't know his ass from his elbow
>>737640004I’d easily trust a dude giving his idea a hour of screen time with elaboration and proofreading with than a bunch of retards who will mobilize for free on behalf of a scorned incel. I didn’t need a review to know Marathon would be dogshit because all extraction shooters are streamernip. I’d much rather listen to someone peel back the layers on its dogshit than just 7/10 and run away.
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>>737611647>What the hell happened to this entire profession?Corporate money, nepotism and a whole lot of cock sucking, literally and figuratively
>>737640349Almost no one working in game development is anywhere near as good as those three pretend to be. Especially not the coders. There's just a lot more coders masking each others mistakes and mid art and soundtrack aren't as offensive to the player.
>>737640349Lmfao imagine being so angry that whatever game you choose to tolerate the only thing you can do is whine and cope like this.
>>737611647>Extra CreditsDear God...to think I used to watch them.Then again they didn't use to be like they are now in their earlier days.
>>737640307Different outlook then, I prefer people get to the point, give me the info I need and fuck off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqhLO3SRyXU
>>737641218I’m autistic, but the kind that slows down and not the fast kind.
>>737611647Whenever I see the usual >What happened to journalism!?!?!Discourse my mind always goes back to Citizen Kane: A whole movie about how journalism became a scam so people can become mega wealthy.That film came out in 1941.The absolute second an industry is invented- from the word "Go" there will be people who will try to cheat the system and make utter slop for easy cash.
>>737640349we do a little shitposting
>>737611647YouTube reviewers and Twitch e-celebs slowly made them irrelevant over time. The ill-will they garnered from years of being insufferable faggots and shills didn't help either.
>>737611647It was already on the downswing, but then Gamergate happened, and it went into a hyperbolic nosedive. Journalists are worse than prostitutes, because prostitutes at least merely sell their bodies, and not their souls.
>>737643262and now the youtube and twitchfags are making the same mistake
>>737628025It didn't. They're just faggots.
>>737612169who is even clicking on these articles? I can't remember the last time I sat down and read anything from ign or whatever, I don't read any of the new sites either screencap threads are good, actually.
>>737637160I assume he means Keffals. #DKF definitely broke Null.
>>737611647>professionFake professions, game reviewers, journos and whatever are all fake jobs and they all have absolute shit taste and shit opinions, I don't care about what they think is good or bad.Bunch of fucking clowns.
>>737627256>>737629764nigger literally just stole my post and got more (you)s I'm not mad though
>>737646036sorry bro, I tend to not read threads past the first few posts before replying, here's a (you)
>>737611792>losers are attracted to jobs with embarrassing titles That doesn't even make sense
>>737646036ironically another reason why gamers are not journalists
>>737611647Turns out bought reviews are worthless
>>737615536What's right with it?
>>737615536Intentionally feminist and homosexual, both awful things.
>>737620468Australia is one of the most corrupt shitholes on the planet. They have crime bosses that blow up houses and hire hitmen.
>>737611731This
>>737634171Who asked?
>>737611647Because it's become transactional. It's not about honesty to protect consumers, it's about maintaining a healthy relationship with AAA devs so they can keep their jobs. If they don't give good reviews to upcoming AAA games, they don't get free games from the company that makes them.
>>737611647"What the hell happened" implies that it was not bad at a certain time in the past. That's without a doubt not the case. Gaming journos were always like they are now, they were just less bold about it.
>>737634857>Even a lot of leftoids hated gaming journalism before GG and then that started slobbing its dick nonstop which just helped people hate it even moreI'll never forget when I said I hated Shitaku in a video game group chat and a Hasanbot retard unironically said "sounds like something a right-winger would say".
>>737616043American game development space was, and has been predominantly progressive/liberal. The difference is just that society flows in movements, so back when there was a middle class in america, and hollywood didn't have big scandals of huge starts having been pedophiles or Harvey Weinstein or the Epstein stuff, there was this belief in the air, that everything was pretty good, and that we can have innuendos and sexy content, and it's okay for games to be largely a male interest, because everyone's chill and we respect each other's view points.But then over time, millenials grew up addicted to porn in higher proliferation, having all of it on the computer. Forming tribalistic wars around game consoles when in the end it's just marketing, and things becoming more and more capitalistic, the previously "chill" game industry guys on the left become more vocal, and the millenials joining the business are grown into a more vocalized group mentality thing.So around 2010 it's just a natural occurrence that stuff like GamerGate happens. Generally anything after 2008's stock crash started to become more high strung, and things stopped being "chill".
>>737621092Alright, son of a purse cutter, there's no need to bait the secessionists that hard, you'll scare them off
>>737651463One of the weirdest things about their witch hunts, though, is that a lot of the time it's not the chuds who get the biggest backhanded slaps from the liberal crowd, but liberals a generation older who can't or don't want to keep up and stay up to date with the etiquette.
>>737611647I'm a marketer. 95% of the answers ITT are just wrong lol. The reason it's shit is because websites enable AdSense on their website, which gives them money for visitors. The only way they get money is having lots of visitors. Therefore, giving games good reviews or whatever doesn't pay the bills. The only way to get money is clickbait. And obviously, negativity and clickbait articles get the biggest visitors. The DEI stuff made it even better. Because a company could hide under DEI with an article like>This is why we LOVE more black guys in our video games!And it gets mega clicks due to the DEI anger and keeps the management at the top happy with the diverty quota shit.The only way to fix this would be to remove websites receiving money from visitors through ads. It would make 99% of 'journalists' quit on the spot and only the ones with true passion would remain
>>737651463There's gotta be a divide between millennials and soilennials.
>>737622130Aaaaw, I wanted to post that.ljidkijidk Sun is a goddamn treasure.
It was never a profession, it was just something you did part time in college to get free games.
>>737651736>ifunny
>>737618783It wasn't really that right leaning, yes we say nigger and post swastikas but we also shit on Bush heavily, we wanted Ron Paul for president..
