Is NieR a JRPG?
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>>737615718No. JRPG = 4 niggas in a row. If it's not turn-based or ATB, it's not a JRPG.
>>737616448Ys
>>737616573ARPG
>>737616601>LOL
>>737615718It's a Zelda-like action-adventure, with a level-up system or two.Also, Gestalt is a Microsoft made censored Westoid butchering of the true NieR 1, the Replicant.
>>737617875Papa Nier > Twink Nier
>>737617875I'm pretty sure that papa Nier is in Japan as well, on Xbox.It's funny how people love using words like "censorship" and "censored", but don't know their meaning. Also>>737617905
Papa NieR >>> remaster bro NieRalso the Beepy and Lighthouse side quests have more SOVL than most modern games have in their main quest
After playing Replicant I can't really imagine father Nier fitting all that well with the generic JRPG power of friendship bullshit a lot of early brother Nier's lines are teeming with.
>>737618090It's soulful
>>737617971>I'm pretty sure that papa Nier is in Japan as well, on Xbox.It's ONLY on Xbox,and ONLY because Microsoft needed an attraction on their flopping, dying console in the land of the rising sun.They then doubled down on their Jewishness in the West, by ONLY bringing Gestalt overseas, AND by absolutely RAPING the localization and script.>you don't know their meaningDeleting mentions of sexual abuse and violence, any and all mentions of romance - both hetero and especially homosexual, plus some more sad aspects in the tale, like the whole point of being CHILDREN being exploited and led to a bad path, is indeed censorship.>>737618090>I can't really imagine father Nier fitting all that well with the generic JRPG power of friendship bullshit a lot of early brother Nier's lines are teeming with.That's LITERALLY what he does, because besides one or two minor dialog changes, the Papa Nier is literally, no joke, just a skin-swap for the MC. See .>>737618146That shit is cringy as hell
>>737618232Sounds like the translation did us a service by toning down Taro's misery porn fetish. Very nice. Same thing happened with Drakengard and it only improved Leonard's character.
>>737618232So what you're saying is, Papa Nier also exists in the Japanese version?
>>737617905Nah. I think a male prostitute makes for a more interesting protagonist.
>>737617875the PS3 version in the west also had papa Nier moron
>>737619102>>737618941Read the thread, imbecile. Papa would not exist at all, if Microsoft would not have DEMANDED him to be made.And although in Japan this created a sort-of Pokemon R/B or Zelda:Oracles situation of providing 2 different takes on the same idea, even this feature was taken from us.The fact that Replicant version 1.224.... (the "HD remaster") is 100% solely about Brother Nier tells a lot.>>737618405>raping artist's creation is totally cool, guys!Fuck you.
>>737619574Death of the author, faggot
>>737619574...so what you're saying is, Papa Nier also exists in the Japanese version?
>>737619617Author is by the very definition of the term, THE author of his work. And he has been very vocal about his intentions in his games in the past.It's only the Bible-humping Yanks that are uncomfortable with such themes.>>737619716No, I am not saying that.
>>737615718No, it's an ARPG.
>>737619746>I am not saying thatSo you're saying you couldn't play as Papa Nier back in the day if you lived in Japan, then?
>>737619746The artist needs to be tardwrangled sometimes. By editors, by the director, or whoever else. Look at Umineko to see an example of what happens when the artist has unchecked creative control with no editor overseeing him: a bloated mess. Some Greats of course can create something truly original all on their own, but they're a minority.
>>737615718yes
>>737619574Papa Nier was in 1.231488.
>>737619574Games aren't art.
>>737619837I am not saying that.What I am saying was crystal clear:1. Papa Nier was not planned.2. Microsoft needed a sales boost on their dying console, in Japan.3. Microsoft demanded a "less Japanese" MC so they could market it overseas "better", pretending like FF, MGS and DMC weren't smash hits by 2010.4. Microsoft handled the localization of Nier in the West, and cut off Replicant from us.5. 1.224 stars Brother Nier, because it's the true, intended story.The time skip alone serves literally zero purpose in Gestalt,and all the other blatant Ocarina Of Time references / parody elements lose their meaning as well.>>737620143If you're referring to the 15 Nightmares bonus game, then yes.But he is not part of the story.>>737620247"For the past few decades, people have used games to portray their ideas and feelings to others. Similarly, games have moved and inspired countless people throughout the years.This by the very definition means that games are art. Just like anyone can walk into an art store and buy a piece of canvas and paint, anyone can start making games. And not everyone even makes them to profit off them."-ex Lucas Arts designer, NGS 2016, "Games and accessibility" panel.tl;dr: Bara-homo fags are just seething that their cheap, retarded Kratos clone is not the real deal, and ruins the whole experience.
>>737619910>The artist needs to be tardwrangled sometimes.And Yoko Taro, one of the most cucked and chained writers in Japan's history, is definitely not one of them.I bet that you considered the terrible Silent Hill 2 de-make as a "huge improvement" as well, no?
>>737620403So you *are* saying Papa Nier also existed in the Japanese version back in the day, got it.
https://www.nexusmods.com/nierreplicant/mods/111>first uploaded 5 days agoCanon Nier bros, we can't stop winning...
>>737620449Seeing how you get absolute gutter trash like Drakengard 3 when he's unchained, he absolutely deserves to by under lock and key.
>>737620493No.I am saying that you keep pushing an agenda like a typical American TV station, and don't even want to talk the nuance and cultural differences, author's original vision, and the fact that we DrakeNier fags spent over a decade deciphering the original Japanese Nier Replicant and its side content, so that the franchise's lore could be read in the West.On the same note, the JP Gestalt is practically a completely different story from the US / EU Gestalt.>>737620568>Seeing how you get absolute gutter trash like Drakengard 3 when he's unchainedWhat makes you believe that he wasn't chained the fuck down?He barely got a permission to make the game, again.He had to make do with a pocket change budget, resulting them using an off-shelf general purpose game engine (UE3) just to save on time and costs ... resulting terrible performance on PS3, since PS4 dev kits weren't readily available yet for B-teams. Last but not least, Drakengard 3 is amazing.It's just hilarious, big bonus that it filters ADHD zoomies this day and age.I for one remember the Kuroi Hana threads on /v/.
>>737620692>Last but not least, Drakengard 3 is amazing.>It's just hilarious, big bonus that it filters ADHD zoomies this day and age.You have terrible taste and your opinion is worthless.
>>737620692>NoBut you did say that, I'm afraid. A Japanese salaryman that owned a 360 in April of 2010 could play as Papa Nier in an official capacity. Sounds to me like if the author most definitely didn't want something in his game, he wouldn't have added it under any way, shape or form! Now I get it, you have a hateboner and a need to feel special which is why you sperged out unprompted with >>737617875 five posts into a thread that had nothing to do with the Brother/Father distinction, and completely lost the ensuing argument. Just learn from it for next time! :D
>>737620540sick
>>737620403is the replicant remaster translation better?
>>737615718it's a hack n slashwhat are you on about
>>737619574See, here's the thing: I need to give a shit about the artist to care about it, and I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but not all artists are equals. Liking Kubrick doesn't mean I need to give a damn about Zack Snyder just because they both make films. Taro always had a handful of good ideas in a sea of utter garbage, and adding "le dark twist!" in some novel or fucking drama play disconnected from the videogame doesn't magically make the games better. So yes, Father Nier is superior. Deal with it however you feel like it.
>>737619079>ties his hair up because he was raped and remembering how his hair felt cascading down his back during the rape triggers hardcore ptsd>as part of his dedication to becoming strong to find Yonah he embraces permanent discomfort by letting his hair fall free after the 5 year time skip>also the 5 year timeskip is actually fucking insane how impactful it is going from the little naive twink who could only handle short swords to this grown man who is insanely capable and wields every weapon available to him including 7 foot long greatswords which he skewers armored shades on by their headsI played Gestalt and loved Papa Nier but Brother Nier is 100x more based.Also literally both are canon so why even complain.Also Brother Nier's outfit is probably the most aesthetic "JRPG style protagonist" outfit of all time.
>>737616642genre talk for any medium gets fucked over time as things evolve thoughthe J was never there to say it's an RPG made in Japan, it was there because RPGs made in Japan at the time were fundamentally different to Western RPGsWestern RPGs were trying to bring the DnD experience DnD to PCs while working within their limiationswhile JRPGs were trying to simplify DnD significantly more for consoles while combining it with Manga/Anime to the point that it became a distinguished genrethings like turn based combat with full party control and overworld traversal became staples of JRPGsgames like Ys and KH still have JRPG elements but are their own thing, like a AJRPG, however the term ARPG on its own is also already convoluted as it used to be almost exclusively tied to games like Diablo and PoE in the West with isometric PoVs
>>737615718It's a Japanese RPG, so yes. Anyone pretending otherwise is a retarded subhuman nigger. Underage brown zoomer mutts trying to redefine words isn't excused because "language evolves over time" or because those retards think it's a non-descriptive moniker.
>>737622552RPG is accurateJRPG is debatablethese games are also just classified as RPGs by the Japanese, they don't have split categories like we do
>>737622692JRPG is actually important to have since it helps me filter out the tranime from my searches.
>>737622917E33 is more JRPG than Ys despite less tranime
>>737622692>RPG is accurateIt's entirely a Japanese, so the J is accurate.>these games are also just classified as RPGs by the Japanese, they don't have split categories like we doThat's funny because I'm pretty sure they talk about 和ゲー and 洋ゲー. If you don't actually know Japanese and interact with Japanese people, then don't make sweeping statement about the language.
>>737616448Why don't you consider ATB as JRPG? It's the same no skill turn based slop done in a slightly different way.
>>737623008That dogshit gayme is also filtered
>>737623047western game and japanese game are not the same as JRPG and WRPG. it just means game made in a certain region.JRPG and WRPG are different type of game genres over here, but not over there.They just put JRPGs and WRPGs into the same list under RPG when discussing or recommending vidya.
>>737622917>>737623008Kys shartyfag
>>737620981>You have terrible taste and your opinion is worthlessAutistic seething ain't an argument, toddler.>>737621191>But you did say thatI think you have some severe trouble understanding English.Hue hue? Pyccкий? Potato??>>737621457>is the replicant remaster translation better?Yes. It's still not 1:1, but it's more than halfway towards JP OG.Don't got the comparison for that saved at the moment.
>>737623156>it just means game made in a certain region.JRPG means Japanese RPG, you dumb monkey. You know neither English nor Japanese.
Can everyone here at least agree that Drakengard 3 is Taro's best game and narrative? I'm a huge Gestalt/Replicantfag but Drakengard 3 came out of left field and is fucking incredible. Zero is one of the best and most sympathetic "suffering female protagonists" of all time.All the retards talk about "The Boss" from MGS3. The Boss is dogshit. Zero trounces her completely. What a selfless, incredible, flawed, sympathetic woman. Behind a personal veneer and general game atmosphere of bitter, crass, hypersexuality.
>>737623298Both of these JRPGs were made in Europe. I may be ESL but you're a tourist
>>737623226>Autistic seething ain't an argument, toddler.But it's just true. I value the series, Drakengard the most, for its apocalyptic/post-apo setting, music, atmosphere and lore. You value it for weebisms, character drama, toilet humor and misery porn. I like Gestalt because it's a story about a great plan to save humanity foiled by a father who loves his daughter. You love it because a chuuni boy gets raped. You probably never played Drakengard and think Automata is deep.
>>737623226>you have some severe trouble understanding English.So you are once more saying you couldn't play as Papa Nier back in the day if you lived in Japan?
>>737623468>Both of these JRPGs were made in Europe.Those are worthless user tags, and neither of those games are JRPGs.>you're a touristI've been calling ESLmonkeys like you who pretend to know things about Japanese retarded longer than you've had internet access. Monkey's like you have always been a plague, especially within the fansub community.
>>737623345I fucking hate Drakengard 3 for everything it did with the story. I expected something like Drakengard 1, and got something completely opposite.>You know what Drakengard needs to be complete? Toilet humor!>You know what a sequel to an apocalyptic story needs? Time travel and canonical multiple timelines, because it's great when everything is mushed together and nothing matters!>Let's have sex jokes in half of the main characters' dialogue, it's totally mature and funny and not fucking grating>You know how dragons are these mysterious creatures set apart from humanity with their own unknown goals? Let's have them level up like they're fucking pokemon>Oh shit we're supposed to have lore, uuuh here's a five minute flashback that explains jack shit, do you feel sad for Zero yet?>Dropping an animay gag in every third cutscene is funny and not out of place, right?>btw all that apocalyptic inhuman stuff in 1 is caused by some flower or something idk>yo you'll never guess what happens to this character in this cutscene, he (drumroll) gets pierced with a sword! Bet you didn't see that coming>The cube demon things get relegated to basically comic relief>fucking AccordI fucking hate Drakengard 3.
>>737623807I'm aware that they are user tags, you are nothing but a user aswellBut you think you are above others, keep seething kekAs i've said before, the genre talk is debatable as things evolve over timeWe are both correct as the general public agrees with both, it's unfortunately how that worksMaybe in another 20 years when traditional JRPGs are dead enough the majority will swing your way
>>737624000>But you think you are above others, keep seething kekEveryone is above retarded ESLmonkeys arguing about a language they don't speak in a language they barely speak.>the genre talk is debatable as things evolve over timeAnd as I've said, illiterate monkeys using words incorrectly doesn't change their meaning. You and everyone like you has always been a cancer in the discussion of Japanese media on the internet.
>>737623807Cute the EOP thinks it's human
>>737623925>YOU'RE MEAAAAN, ZERO!>Mean?!! You're a FUCKING idiot!The juxtaposition between the absurd and irreverent and the tragic is what makes it great.
>>737624109>EOPThe only languages that matter are English and Japanese. I'm fluent in both. You're fluent in neither. You're a subhuman.
>>737624330No it doesn't. Drakengard 1 was anything but that, and I really enjoyed it. It was the most biblically apocalyptic game I've played, and I was hoping for more of it in 3. Instead I got weeb nonsense.
>>737623925Accord is the fucking worstTaro literally just saw Mari in the NTE and thought "Oh that's fucking perfect, an obnoxious glasses-wearing bitch who's just the author's self-insert and can do whatever because fuck it, fucking brilliant. But you know what? She's nowhere near obnoxious enough! Gotta crank that shit up to ELEVEN!"Hopefully if someone else takes over DrakeNieR in his absence they'll just pretend she doesn't exist
>>737624105For someone who prides themselves in being a native english speaker, your comprehension is pretty worrying>illiterate monkeys using words incorrectly doesn't change their meaning.What defines a word? Who is the authority? Some gaming government or the general public who uses the language?You won't find it in a regular dictionary. It's an abbreviation with decades of cultural history. It's used by people of multiple generations in different ways.And the origin of the word is different from what you consider to be its true definition now, that much is fact i fear. People didn't refer to old Ys games as JRPGs.That only started once Ys took a turn away from gameplay focused high gameplay density action to a more traditional JRPG narrative structure with long cutscenes.
>>737624539You and I are among a truly rare few who genuinely enjoyed Drakengard 1, apparently. To this day I still play defense for it.Unfortunately we don't agree on Drakengard 3.
>>737624628>your comprehension is pretty worryingNo it's not. You denying reality isn't a lack of comprehension on my part.>What defines a word? Who is the authority? Some gaming government or the general public who uses the language?Certainly not illiterate monkeys who don't speak the language and get mad at what words mean.>People didn't refer to old Ys games as JRPGs.Wrong. You're a fucking retard, I fear.
>>737623683No. I am saying that you are topic switching like motherfucker,and failing to realize that next to no one played Papa version in Japan.Not even the official Drakenier franchise's anniversary celebration art nor articles included Papa.
>>737626486>topic switchingI've been nothing if not consistent from the get go, you're the one that's desperately trying to evade the fact Nier Gestalt existed in Japan as a perfectly viable way to experience the game, else it wouldn't even exist in its home country.
>>737626962Not him, but you're being a fucking faggot. Papa Nier is noncanon and was made up by localizers in California. No one cares that his model existed in the game in some capacity. He's an irrelevant fanfic that has no place in the actual story, and that includes all the supplementary material written by Taro and his team.
>>737626962>you're the one that's desperately trying to evade the fact Nier Gestalt existed in Japan as a perfectly viable way to experience the gameIncorrect.See, this is the problem with Burgers and shillfags: they just keep stomping their feet and insisting on their bizarre narrative. All while avoiding all the other statement and critique presented, because you know that wouldn't end well for ya.The whole point is: Papa Nier was never meant to happen, and it is non-arguably the worst way to experience the game. People just put up with it, because they did not know any better.The OG author and the real fans don't recognize Gestalt as anything but a silly, censored fanfic.
>>737627129>Papa Nier is noncanonFactually untrue.>"四番目の持ち主は愚直な父親だった。父親には病の娘がおり、彼女の為なら何でもする覚悟があった。やがて父親は、その決意のままに全てを捧げた。彼の存在と、この世界の全てを。">>737627170>this is the problem with BurgersI guess you'd know. Can't say I relate, given I'm not one.>they just keep stomping their feetLike >>737617875 ?>The whole point is:The whole point is >>737620493
>>737617875You couldn't keep it in your pants, could you you weeb
>>737620540Was sad when the first attempt at this mod was abandoned years ago, nice to see there's a new one in development even if I vastly prefer the original game's artstyle be it Gestalt or Replicant.
>>737618232>Deleting mentions of sexual abuse and violence, any and all mentions of romance - both hetero and especially homosexual, plus some more sad aspects in the tale, like the whole point of being CHILDREN being exploited and led to a bad path, is indeed censorship.Oh, they removed it from the original...?No, retard, they didn´t give a flying fuck about it and decided not to portray it on the game. Stop using words you don´t understand
>>737615718Factually yes, by genre definition no.
>>737628326Removing canon, intended material the author / team implemented in a foreign localization is indeed censorship, yank nigger.This is exactly what has gotten even Japanese politicians going up the wall and banning Americunt localizations for manga, anime and games: they consider it censorship, and violation of their IPs integrity, and it is now banned.>>737627909Weeb website, tourist.Sadly, you have to go back.
>>737627796Brother Nier was the original protagonist envisioned by Yoko Taro. Papa Nier was created after the Western branch of Square Enix told Yoko Taro that video games without big, macho older men protagonists don't sell in the West. Taro said it in the interviews and showed it in his own biographical manga (pic rel). Your fev autistic manchild protagonist who yells about friendship at the age of 50 is basically a fanfic character. That's why he wasn't included in any of the canon said materials written by Taro over the years and why brother Nier is the protagonist in the remaster. Get over it.
>>737628916So what you're saying is that >>737617971 was right and Papa Nier was, in fact, in Japan as well?
>>737627796>Factually untrue.That's called a reference. Try reading the books in the image I posted that explicitly talk about the entire series timeline and story.
>>737629153It's called being a canonical citation you can't refute unlike the Iron Pipe.
>>737629074I'm saying that your fev protagonist is a fanfic character that the creator didn't want to create but was forced to. He had enough fans in the west for 1.2 devs to put him in a side mode with the implication that he's the father of the brother Nier tho. I hope that made people like you happy because that's the last time you will ever see him in any Nier media.
>>737628916>"but if we change the main character we will have to recreate the scenario from scratch"What a load of bullshit, it's literally the exact fucking same kek Taro you hack
>>737629236>canonical citationThat's a nice twist of words. How come papa Nier isn't referenced in the official canon guidebooks and timelines that I posted? You read those, didn't you? You aren't some retarded subhuman nigger arguing about canon in a series that has a ton of published materials written by the original creator that you haven't read, are you? That would be an embarrassing level of stupidity and arrogance.
>>737629372>>737620493>>737629450No twist of words needed. It's an event that happened, and is thus referenced in a sequel. In-game and everything!
>>737623226Is there a fan translation for the og game or am I stuck between playing a remake with a slightly better translation vs playing the poorly localised original?
>>737629517>It's an event that happened, and is thus referenced in a sequel.It's a meaningless reference. Now without being a semen addicted faggot, answer the question directly. Why is papa Nier not in the official stories and timelines written by Taro? Do not dodge the question. Do not talk in circles. Answer the question directly or the argument is done and your forfeit.
>>737629646>>737629236
>>737615718I treated it as an action game. It wasn't a good action game, and you could level grind and buy potions and shit, but it wasn't Etrian Odyssey, either.
>>737629372>Yoko Taro keeps putting Brother Nier in novels, manga, and colab games>Completely ignores Pap Nier's existencekek. based
>>737629523Last time I checked, there was merely a Gestalt's script to JP Replicant patch, but it's been a while. The remake kinda killed the buzz for fan translations. At least you can play the HD version with JP dub, although that's the one case where I actually prefer the English cast and dialog.
>>737629394Taro was always a bit of a hack, moreso than a lot of auteurs in his field. He's been in the industry for decades and made one good game and a half, then pretends to add illusion of depth in interviews and guides and novels and stuff existing outside the games themselves.
>>737618232>>737617875>>737619746Don’t the Japanese ironically censor western games for violence and nudity
>>737623683Always associated Beastlord with Father Nier, was a cool sword.
>>737630226They censor Japanese games for violence as well. RE2R was heavily censored in Japan.
Brother Nier Chads won. Papa Nier fags lost.
>>737630226They censor themselves all the damn time.
