It's just too expensivethis thing costs a fucking 90USD.
>>737622465Why is it that making a controller that jus werks for a reasonable price seemingly a lost art?
>analog sticks? nah I want to use LAPTOP TRACK PADS said no one
>>737622465How's the d-pad?
>>737622659gay
>>737622529>Why is it that making a controller that jus werks for a reasonable price seemingly a lost art?We have never had better options for PC controllers. What the fuck do you want? You can go buy a GameSir for like $25 and it works great.
>>737622632Me. I said it.
>>737622842Take it back
>>737622713>Better options>For something that doesn't break after a month you are looking at the controller costing more than the game and even then it'll probably still break>Meanwhile an xbox 360 controller just worked for years and was a fraction of the price but they don't even make them anymore
>>737622632The trackpads are for input more advanced than analog sticks can provide. They allow you to emulate keyboard and mouse. Even old DOS games, made for players able to use a full keyboard, works with trackpads.
>>737622939You can still buy a Series controller, which is very similar to the 360 controller, for almost the same price the 360 controller was. You also clearly don't remember the gay ass dongle it had for PC.You have tons of options. Just pick one.
>>737623002>You also clearly don't remember the gay ass dongle it had for PC.It had a wire.
>>737623031The wireless one required this gay ass 'sold separately' USB dongle. It also had a terrible d-pad, but it was overall a good controller. Again, I must say, you can buy a Series controller, which is very similar, for the same amount of money a 360 controller used to cost 20 years ago.Just pick a controller man. Controllers have gotten really good lately.
>>737622465Just play on a fucking ipad already you babby zoom zooms.
>>737623113I'm saying this because I did "just pick one" and it's already getting stick drift.
>>737622964>They allow you to emulate keyboard and mouse. Even old DOS games, made for players able to use a full keyboard, works with trackpads.So useless
>>737622465>we have xbox controller at home
>>73762246590 is not that expensive nowadays, it's less than two weeks of groceries
https://streamable.com/lj7ut3>Also at 99 it's not cheapHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>737622632>I want to use LAPTOP TRACK PADSWell, it does have one advantage.When you need to play text-based games or do things like watch videos on your PC,the Steam Controller’s touchpad can act as a mouse, letting you control your PC from a distance.It's really a hassle to use a PC from a distance in the living room.
>it actually is $100I warned you faggots and you did not listenit was NEVER going to be anywhere near as low as $60
>>737622905Hopefully it inspires a pro version of this with non shit face buttons, vita like d-pad, extra shoulder buttons, trigger locks. All of this seems manageable via third party custom controllers.
>>737622465How’s the dpad though?
>>737622632if it didn't have analog sticks you'd have a point but it does
>>737623382$100 is a good price for that level of quality and control and has all the features one wants from a controller. I don't see an issue. Only Chinese junk that breaks within a year costs $60-80 with those features.
>>737622529Touch pads, capacitive sticks and grips, back buttons and tmr sticks. 99 is a reasonable price even though I wanted it to be 80.
>>737623246Useless if all you play is console-like games. If you like to play games designed for gamers with a higher average IQ than the modern audience, they are a extremely useful.
>>737623308Looks good, I wasn't thinking of picking this up but now I very well may
>>737623382that's a standard controller price now, we aren't in 2010 anymore
>>737623613This
>>737623621Used to be 20. Don't care about flashy tech that only works for a couple of months. Just make something bombproof that works.
>>737622632Theres sticks right there though, you blind? Go buy any other controllers with sticks. Touch pad is comfortable for analogue movement and is only going to get better with more advanced haptics. Going from some amount force to zero force is comfy and becomes very noticable no matter how little it is.
>>737623695here you go, you fucking retarded faggot
>>737623374I've got a comfy lap board and a nice 2.4ghz keyboard and mouse, but I can see the appeal to not use the lap board for simple actions
>>737622465FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER >>737622632>analog sticks? nah I want to use LAPTOP TRACK PADS I say that and look like this
>>737623613>>737623681Every thread I saw predicted it would be anywhere from 60-80 USD, even remember arguing with anons that it can't possibly be any lower than 100
>>737623732Give me this thing.
>>737623794It doesn't work on Linux Mint though.
>>737623613Vader 5 pro smoke this in features and quality while only being $70 ngl
>>737623823Nothing works on Linux because Linux is shite.
>>737622632Me
>>737623613>Only Chinese junkwhere do you think this controller is made?god I fucking hate this place turning into a fucking kindergarten for retarded children.
>>737623826>chink paid bot desperately tries to sell his company's plastic junk.cope.
>>73762363499.9% of games from the last 20 years support xinput, so no additional workarounds are needed.
>>737623878We don't give a fuck about your slave company bro. Pay your workers.
>>737623878Design matters a lot. Clearly you have never worked with a factory before
>>737622632I'm picking it up day-one, but I'm still a little disappointed that the trackpads are shoved into a tertiary position. I get it, they want this thing to be as normalfag friendly for the "consolefag who wants to dip his toes into PC gaming" audience, just like with the deck's layout. But nonetheless, still disappointed. The original steam controller is the GOAT, but it does have its issues with build quality. I wish they expanded more on that idea. Larger trackpads still in the primary position, other sticks/buttons around in secondary positions. I guess I'll see how comfortable it is to hold.steam controller is my favorite way to play almost all games except strategy.
>>737623570>dpadGay.It makes my fingers get tangled up.I always thought I was using an Xbox, so I figured those must be the analog sticks.
How much does valve pay to advertise this piece of shit? I don't believe anyone in their right mind would buy this.
you mean I got the wrong steam controller?
>>737623002The series controller sure as hell doesn't "just work". Even ignoring that it's missing basic features that have existed on every other controller for 20 years, it's also total slop designed to fail so you buy a new one every couple years.
>>737622632It's retards who are twisting themselves to simp for Valve when Sony was the first to make a controller with a trackpad on the DS4
>>737623952>Design matters a lotyou mean copying xbox controller but badly?
>american chonky controller
>>737623002>>737624015Just buy a f310 if you want a 360 controller that just works. $20 or less on Amazon.
>>737624008you actually bought that hori trash? lollmao
>>737624005I'll buy it because my original steam controller has been going strong for 11 years and I like using it on my desktop while lying down
>>737624015I bet the failure rates are within margin of error between Series controller and Xb360 controller.>>737623174So get one with TMR/Hall Effect sticks on it. There is an abundance of good controllers out.
>>737623916>99.9% of games from the last 20 years support xinputThe dumbing^H^H^H reduction of cognitive load to appeal to a modern audience started over 20 years ago.
>>737624132>>737623967I wanted to like the og steam controller, i even got it and the linkbut the circle trackpads are SO shit i hated themthese square pads are amazing though
Does touchpad emulate scroll wheels by sliding thumb on it up and down? That would be useful
>>737624135This goes back to my original point that controllers that just work for years without issues that did not need any fancy hall effect sticks or whatever are seemingly a lost art.
>>737624054the fact this is the first post to point that out proves how people don't actually use trackpads on controllers. You could already do this since the dualshock 4, but when you're sat at your desk it's pointless as you'd just move your hand to your mouse.
Both of my Steam Decks have extremely creaky, tough feeling Dpads that just aren't enjoyable to use, so I'll be giving the Steam Controller a miss. At least the Dpads are in the top position though, I'll give them that.
Kinda sucks that it's a $100, but I'm paying for most of that with Counterstrike Mony so that's not too horrible.Might fuck myself over and wait to see how much the gaeb cube costs if that comes with one however.
>>737623308>controllers with hair triggers, faceplate and so on cost 200$Why would he lie like that?
>>737622632Some games are better this way.
>>737624207
>>737623613The controller is low quality plastic screwed together. It's not worth $100. Should have been $80. They're going to fuck everyone with the Frame and Machine prices.
>>737623981can you give an actual description? is it mushy? is it clicky and tactile?
>>737624173>but the circle trackpads are SO shit i hated themwhat exactly is shit about them? If you're talking about the physical click, yeah, it's pretty rough. It's kinda complicated to set this up, and I wish valve made more advanced features easier, but I typically set the circle pads so everything is touch-only with action layers so that tapping the outer perimeter of the pad is for certain inputs, and the main body of the trackpads is for your standard movement/aiming. Can't tell you how much of a game-changer this is when you get it set up correctly. For instance in souls games, I'll set the outer ring of both trackpads to the four d-pad inputs. This way I can easily swap weapons/spells/items and navigate menus while never having to stop moving or not being able to aim the camera. Especially with mage builds, this actually makes doing that playable.
>>737623161Huh? What are you even trying to say?
>>737624216>You could already do this since the dualshock 4,dualshock 4 had the trackpad is an awkward spot that was impossible to use for anything except basic hotkey inventory management shit. And most people are plebs
>>737624347>Muh VR.>Muh steambox.Don't care about either of those two other things.
>>737624373NTA but the best way I'd describe it is that it feels kinda bumpy and is fatiguing after a while, it digs into your thumb
>>737623794Yeah, still got my playstation 1 controllers and they work fine(one with sticks, one without)
>>737624373It’s a bit like an Xbox, but it feels a bit more clicky.
Wonder how strong the magnet for the charger is, like would I be able to stick it to a wall so I can charge my controller while having it out of the way?
>>737622465How's it compare to the dualsense? That's the gold standard as far as I'm concerned.
So when are preorders? Today?
Oof expect $900 steam machine i guess. $50 cheaper than ps5 pro!!! Is what i can see them going for advertising..
>>737624434even so, if you actually gave a shit about trackpad controls you'd have used it. Or, fuck, you'd have used the first steam controller that already trackpads in a good spot. It was so cheap after the lawsuit they were practically giving it away too.
>>737624527>Comes with one free controller!>And Half Life X!!!KINOI
>>737624553>t was so cheap after the lawsuit they were practically giving it away too.Being fair they WERE giving it away essentially because fuck scuf and corsair, everyone who wants one should be able to get one.
>>737624195Yes, but it's damn inconvenient, in order to scroll the page you have to lift your finger from the trackpad, and if you don't place your finger correctly, instead of scrolling down you'll scroll up, it's annoying.
>>737622465The steam frame will be $800+ btw
>>737624553I do own a steam controller v1 and I use it almost exclusively.
>>737624553>if you actually gave a shit about trackpad controls you'd have used it.Not when the trackpads are in a shitty, unergonomic, downright unusable position. I have a dualsense and use them sometimes, but mostly use my 'eck if I want to play something with trackpads.>Or, fuck, you'd have used the first steam controller that already trackpads in a good spot.Maybe I didn't find out or care until after they stopped production and you had to pay out the ass for a used one.
>>737624507Xbox controllers are literally "the standard" but it's nice to like what you like.I'm using a third-party Switch controller. ;_;
>>737624507>dualsenseIt feels like an Xbox in your hand.It plays like a DualSense.It's really heavy, but the battery is bigger. Plus, it comes with a 2.4G receiver.
>>737624780Xbox controllers are "the standard" insofar as everyone has to dial back feature support for them, but the standard even back in 2005 at least had gyro.
>>737624749>and you had to pay out the ass for a used one.they've been dirt cheap on ebay for years. You could literally get one for like 30 bucks
>>737623826>Vader 5 pro smoke this in features and quality>no trackpads>no capacitive sticks>have to use wangblows and download their chink spyware if I want to configure itEw no thanks.
>>737624851>but the standard even back in 2005 at least had gyro.Lol no and everyone disliked the sixaxis shit.
>>737624498you can see them gently unplugging it by lifting it so I don't think it is that strong, you could just DIY a cradle or something.
>>737624730$1k+
>>737623382>$100Source? There's no way that's real, like I said in another thread I bought a Gulikit ES Pro for $25 and it has TMR sticks.
>>737624926This leaked review >>737623308
If the Frame is £800+ i'm just gonna forget about it
Heres hoping for gamesir or 8bitdo license steam controller done with better quality and touchpad in mind designs.
>>737624883Everyone "hates" it because it couldn't be used standard in anything because the 360 didn't have it.Even if we're talking the original steam controller as the "Gyro on PC starting point" you're 13 years late to pretending people don't like this shit.
>>737624962>isrealValve is retarded.
>>737623916>99.9% of games from the last 20 years support xinputI wouldn't call it "playing" if you're using xinput. That means being limited to the inputs of the shitty 360 controller that was already obsolete when it came out.
>>737625000Nice digits, shame they were wasted on somebody who lies.Gyro was absolutely not the standard. The Sixaxis had a really shitty implementation of gyro. Nothing like we're using today. In fact, both Sony and Microsoft tried to ape the Wii with the dildo wands and kinect respectively to get waggle motion controlled games in play. Quality gyro started being a thing with the Wii U, and didn't really gain a lot of popularity until the Switch demonstrated its usefulness.
>>737624965unless the leak is fake and gay its likely that price for da framemmmhhh i would honestly still buy it i think, since i never tried VR before
>>737624195Yes. Though the default behavior (at least on 'eck) is to move your finger in a circle to scroll. Pretty quick fix to just set it to a directional swipe and toggle the option that makes it repeat or whatever.>>737624716See above. Might be what's causing your issues.
>>737624923Best I can do is $1200+, goy
>>737625267at that price i would just wait another year or two
>>737625163Anything close to $1000 is mind space for pancake oled tier headsets or some crazy high fov pixel density LCDs. Its dead at that price wtf
>>737624852Huh, I haven't checked in a while. I remember they were going for hundreds and I figured didn't need one that much.
>>737622465I'll get it for $5 in a year when it's discontinued.
>>737625147>NO NO NO IN MY FANTASY LAND EVERYONE WAS SUPER OPINIONATED ABOUTThey weren't, because as mentioned, gyro and motion controls were extremely limited in use because the microshart shortbus didn't support them and nobody wanted to dev for them unless they literally had to.Which is why a shitload of wii games can use gamecube controllers.
>>737625370Based and same. Will hoard until they cost $300 sealed. Easy 100x flip
>>737625310b-b-but its SteamOS...
>>737625435>Zoomnigger continues to lieShow me a controller from 2005 with modern gyro.
>>737625495>Show me specifically a dualsense released in 2005 haha I proved you wrongYou're an idiot.
$899 Steam Machine$799 Steam Frame
>>737624517It's saturday, so unlikely. Probably monday.
>>737625605Ah, it's because you're a lying faggot pretending to have knowledge on something you know less than nothing about. Sixaxis wasn't until 2006, almost 2007, with the PS3. You're now trying to move the goalposts by going 'BUT TENDO LET YOU USE GAMECUBE CONTROLLERS,' instead of admitting you were chatting shit.Pathetic, zoomnigger. Pathetic.
>>737625653799 is too cheap, makes me concerned for the power, the index is like 1200 why would the "better" wireless one be so cheap
>>737625435Nobody uses gyro because only a small minority wants to. Anyone who wants actual precision is just using a mouse.
>>737625370>>737625459Sorry to disappoint but that won't happen this time. It happened with the first one because they were sued for the back buttons, but it seems the patent has expired or been thrown out or something since tons of controllers have back buttons now.
>>737625730>you're a lying faggot pretending to have knowledge on something you know less than nothing about>Proceeds to rattle off shit he blatantly websearched
>>737625876Then I just won't get one.Paying more for a controller than I do a brand-new video game is absurd.
>>737625897I was actually alive when the PS3 came out. Were you, Zoomnigger?>>737625865Gyro is pretty cool for adjustments.
>>737622529Why charge less when you can charge more?Welcome to capitalism.
>>737625865Why would someone want to actively limit how much control they have over the game and let it play itself? Gyro is a natural evolution of controllers in the same way sticks were over dpads.
>>737625865Phone users do and theres billion potential gamers in that market
>>737625859>makes me concerned for the powerpower is irrelevant. It's a streaming HMD that is capable of playing games standalone. Not a Standalone HMD with streaming capabilites. As obnoxious as that sounds, there is a difference. The Frame is meant for people with gaming computers.
>>737626170yes it is standaloneindex still required a gaming computer too you stupid retard
>>737625987Because we already have the next step up from a controller, a mouse.
>>737625163Never tried VR myself either but if it's that price I might as well save up the extra £100 for a vive pro 2 at that point.£600 and i'd get the steam frame instead.
>>737626284To this day, I'm still amazed at how retarded the average consumer is.
>>737626398>hm yes now that the best vr available might come out soon i should just buy something 5 years old!f u c k i n g r e t a r d >>737626471cry harder brokie
>>737625730Realistically, moved goal posts would still be a goal. Even if I take Splatoon as the point where gyro proved its worth, that is still over 10 years and covers multiple console generations. Every 1st and 3rd party controller has gyro except for xbox controllers. Anon is right that Microsoft is absolutely holding back controllers and consoles with outdated hardware regardless of the the details.>>737626297Just keep in mind that many people play games on controllers and games will be designed around supporting them. When you argue that controllers are supposed to be as bad as possible to artificially maintain the superiority gap of keyboard and mouse you end up supporting games being dumbed down for bad controllers as well. Improving controllers will benefit you even if you never use them.
>>737626398My main concern is compatibility, in theory da Frame can play anything thats why I am way too much lenient on the priceA thousand bucks tho, that does sting
>>737626504Most people are playing on controllers that support gyro, yet they don't bother to use it. Even when popular games support it.
>>737622632you vill play FPS games with trackpads and you vill like it
>>737622465It looks nice to hold, how are the touch pads? Are they like secondary joysticks?
>>737626615>in theory da Frame can play anythingIf you have a gaming computer to stream from, then yeah it'll "play" anything. Da Frame is being sold as a streaming HMD first, not a standalone HMD. It's just capable of playing games standalone. It's slightly weaker than a Steam Deck in the standalone department.
More expensive than the wolverine pro 3, vader 5 pro, gulikit tt max, gamesir g pro 8k.... etcThere's just too much better cheaper options. Shame though would have been killer at $80.When controllers like the tegenaria exist below $20 you would think it would humble these big corpos.
>>737626621Most people use it and recognize how well it works in the games I've played that natively supports it. If there is a disparity between the players of different games, then there is probably something more to it beyond the technology itself. It would be unreasonable to assume that Nintendo's user bases is just more skilled and capable.
>>737626841Yeah I meant that I wanna get da Frame to stream a lot of titles first, thanks
>>737626504>Every 1st and 3rd party controller has gyro except for xbox controllers. Anon is right that Microsoft is absolutely holding back controllers and consoles with outdated hardware regardless of the the details.SteamInput literally lets you map this. I said gyro became a lot more popular with the Wii U into its modern iteration, but didn't really take off til the Switch, which makes my timeline accurate, no? Definitely not 2005, and third party programmes mean gyro is more than usable on PC. I don't know what anon's problem is. They seem to just be having a hissy over Microsoft.
>>737626621Most games don't support it and it's still pretty niche and not advertised anywhere so normies don't hear about it.
>>737626972I can buy this one with steam monopoly money so the extra $20 isn't really a problem.
>>737627137>which makes my timeline accurate, no?Not remotely, which is why you shouldn't try to speak as an authority of shit you don't know dick about
>>737626717They can be used for mouse tier aiming in games or as a touch menu with up to 16 buttons. Also as a scroll wheel and mouse on the desktop. And a lot more if you're willing to configure them.
>>737622632>all these brainlet takesThis is a PC controller. No shit someone is gonna wanna play CK2 on it (for some reason), and how you're going to use a mouse.This wouldn't make sense for a PS4 controller because it isn't a console controller, it's a steam controller.It still looks like oversized ass whose a solution looking for a problem. I don't get why wouldn't you use a keyboard/mouse, and keep a regular controller on you?
>>737627291>and how you're going to use a mouse.no, I'll just use my mouse as a mouse
>>737627268Oh good, the retarded zoomie is going to keep insisting controllers had gyro in 2005.How do we fix the plague of zoomers talking retarded nonsense on this board?
>>737627291>I don't get why wouldn't you use a keyboard/mouse, and keep a regular controller on you?Sometimes I want to play on the couch but without using a controller and crippling myself.A better question is why I should use a regular controller when this exists and is competitive with a mouse and keyboard.
>>737624383Clawing is still superior to whatever the hell you are suggesting because i would still be moving and moving camera while accessing dpad. You are just moving your thumb out of position by less distance and not actually using them all simultaneously
I bought a cyclone 2 SAAAAR and some Chinese one for couch co op my steam deck,the fat fuck shouldn't have kept us like 8 months in the absolute darkness over a fucking controller
>>737627453No, it's mirrored on both trackpads so in situations where I need to move and use d-pad I can do that together, and situations where I need to look/aim and use d-pad, I can do that as well. Just because your smooth brain doesn't comprehend it doesn't change its superiority. And of course no need for claw grip bullshit for dodging/sprinting/jumping because those get mapped to the back paddles.
>>737622632Am I retarded? Are there not 2 analog sticks right there in the image?
>>737627394>and is competitive with a mouse and keyboard.it isn't though, it's a major compromise from a m+kb.
>>737624207That's not true. You just put up with it back then because you were a kid with no money and would rather have a new game then a new controller.
>>737622529This has been the Xbox controller for like two decades
>>737627137I'd generally agree with your timeline with more credit to the WiiU over Switch, but I'm just saying the timeline isn't worth arguing over when you are comparing a really long time vs a long time. I think the new goal post position is fine. It matters because while 3rd party software is amazing and I use it with every game and I'd probably keep using it with native gyro support, it also has its limits. You will still occasionally run into games where you can't bind mouse and controller input at the same time or activating and deactivating gyro can be more complicated than it needs to be and may interfere with menus. Microsoft not supporting it is a problem because they are the last hurdle for universal support that would allow developers to integrate it natively without having to worry about what controller a player is using. Aside from just being more convenient, native support would mean the game could be designed with the assumption that the player will have access to the feature. We could greatly reduce the need for aim assist while at the same time increasing the pace of the game since controller players won't be miles behind mouse users.
>>737627548No retard to access d-pad, you are force to move or move the camera in a direction to access a specific dpad direction. How's that perfect cordination?
>>737627736no you don't, you have them mapped to the outer ring, you don't move the camera. And if you need simultaneously camera movement you use the outer ring d-pad mapping on the left trackpad instead.
>>737627798But you are still not doing all three at once? How's that better than clawing? That was my point. You are using a less functional control scheme
>>737627580Honestly, not really once you learn to use it. The trackpads give you more than enough buttons via touch menus, and using gyro or gyro + trackpad is comparable to mouse in accuracy.I admit it's not quite there, but it's a massive leap over normal controllers, to the point you don't have to feel like you're missing out by not using kbm.
wait is it out yet
>>737628008>gyro + trackpad is comparable to mouse in accuracy.come on now bro not even (You) believe that. Trackpads are horrific for aiming, with or without gyro assist
>It's just too expensiveIt's also a fat, ugly piece of shit with two giant worthless pads on it.
>>737628113Osu pros say otherwise
>>737622632>laptop trackpadsHaptic trackpads, actually
>>737628230>it's perfect in this extremely niche use-caseok, now try playing quite literally any shooter
>>737622964They’re also BETTER at analog input than joysticks
>>737627661The truth is anon, people only really want it for marginal aiming improvements. The PS Vita is probably one of the biggest cases of Sony really trying to force controller features onto people - gyro and touch specifically. But people really didn't like them. If Sony wanted, they could absolutely make greater use of gyro in their first party games, but they choose not to, and it's not really because Microsoft are holding it back, but because it's a bit of a flubbed feature. It can be nice to have, but far from essential. I only want gyro for emulating Switch games desu.
>>737628113You have literally no experience with this topic. Come back when you have 100+ hours with a Steam Controller.
>>737628412I've played on a Deck
>>737628412No one actually knows what gyro aiming is without using alpakka
>>737622964I just got a 30 buck chinese controller that has gyro mouse and can put wash on the analog stick
>>737628327I regularly play CS2 with a dual sense and do fairly alright.
I know nothing about the d-pad. I'm hpping it's not at all like the one on the deck internally.I already have a modded dualsense and if I connect it wired I have a lot of features already. I have adaptive triggers and haptic feedback. I think this steam pad doesn't have either (I suppose it'd be like the deck where the haptic feedback is there on the touchpads).The good thing about this controller would be more convenient gyro. Every other controller besides the dualsense needs to use switch mode to have working gyro. This one has capacitive analogs, grip sensors and being a controller it's much more useful for it than the deck where you wouldn't really want to move that shit much. Problem being, you'd need to actually go and fucking find the right settings for each game, as the defaults for anything like that are absolutely terrible, and there's a steep learning curve to stuff like flick stick instead of the standard nonsense. And that of course, this is something that will only change depending on developers, most games have to switch to mouse and keyboard mode to have decent gyro and in some cases that fucks up the controller layout such that you have to basically create a whole new thing and get rid of analog controls. Deus Ex HR for instance having this weird switching mechanism between mouse+kb and controller being detected makes it a bit unbearable. I don't know if I'd spend 100 bucks on it, but it's gimmicky enough to warrant that price at least. Just it'd be nice if they added better haptics support. Maybe find a way to translate dualsense calls into it or something (which seems hard because I believe the haptics on the dualsense require internal speakers to work).
>>737623823Just plug it into your computer, every controller I used worked
>>737628089not yet, a review leaked so potentially soon.
>>737623732I'm not touching that, it's been in your bussy.
Well i better see some stand alone steam machines. Ain't no way I'm being force to pay $100 for this shit
>>737622465Do you not save money?Are you unable or unwilling to put small bits of money aside over a longer period?Is the idea of delayed gratification causing your blood pressure to rise?If so, then you may be a zoomer or late-gen millenial.
>>737628456The Deck has a great layout and customization options, but is too heavy and wide to compete. Use the Steam Controller 2015 or 2026 for 100+ hours.
>>737628936>Steam Controller 2015I've used that as well, but the Deck was a better comparison to make sense the new steam controller has almost the same layout (and is obviously based on the Deck)
Will this controller work without steam? Because the old one didn't work, so you had to add games to steam, and most of the non-steam games still didn't work.
>>737628338>The truth is anon, people only really want it for marginal aiming improvementsIt is more than a marginal improvement and that by itself is more than enough justification when it doesn't even add much to cost. I also only use my mouse for improved aiming, but I would also not downplay how useful it is for that feature.>If Sony wanted, they could absolutely make greater use of gyro in their first party games, but they choose not to, and it's not really because Microsoft are holding it back, but because it's a bit of a flubbed feature.I don't buy this when Nintendo supports it in just about every game where it is appropriate and people recognize its effectiveness there. When there is a clear difference between two groups with access the the same technology, the most reasonable explanation is how it is implemented rather than how effective the technology is. The Vita is also a special case since it was released during a time when motion controls existed, but how to use them best was not established as you have pointed out with them becoming popularized later. Wii games did a disservice to motion controls in general with some questionable controls that hurt how people view them at the time. I have a Vita and I played Gravity Rush on it, but I don't even remember if it had gyro or touch controls. Playing the remake of the same game it was only natural to turn on and use motion controls after seeing how they were used in other games and how they could be applied here. On a tangent, the swipe mode switching with the touch pad in GR2 also got me into binding inputs to the track pad that way on PC. Sony is a terrible company for killing off their good studios that actually put some thought into how they make games put hardware to good use.
>>737629006*since
>>737623382>I warned you>you did not listenYou think it would magically cost $25 if people had given you more upvotes, you retarded faggot?
>>737628936Haven't had a steam controller, but I've heard often enough that the trackpads on the deck are not as good as that was, and that's not mentioning the weight on the deck at all. I mean you have smaller, differently shaped surfaces in different positions in the controller.I've used the trackpads on the deck and for quick selection wheels and navigation they're not bad at all (the trackball mode is fucking genius) but honestly for something like aiming I still would rather use the analog sticks, I'm not shitting you. And I don't know what kind of gyro would make aiming usable on this given that I don't want to move the screen around too much anyways.
>>737624005Don't worry, anon. The youtubers you get your opinions from are going to explain why it's an interesting controller, since you can't figure it out yourself.
>>737623382>it was NEVER going to be anywhere near as low as $60Well yeah, $80 was the lowest it could have ever been and perfect price, you have only yourself to blame.
>>737628904Retards view the world in 10 second intervals. Why the fuck would they not spend money they have right now?Also why does saving magically mean that things don't cost more than they should, you monkey?
>>737629401Are you retarded?I'm saying it was always going to be $100 and anons refused to believe that. People were setting themselves up for disappointment with their unrealistic expectations.
>>737629526I mean "you" as in delusional people thinking it would have been cheap, sorry I could have paraphrased that better.
>>737622529chinks do it just fine. you are just getting fleeced by first party jews.
>>737623681I pay 40-50 for my controllers and they come with docking stations
>>737622465I’ll buy it anyway. It’s likely one of the last controllers I’ll buy for years since I’m not refreshing accessories every 5 years anymore since moving to PC.
>>737628904I have thousands saved up and I still wont get jewed by valve.
I have a steam deck and those meme track pads are awful.Id rather just not play mouse games than be forced to use this.
>>737622632Trackpads on the OG Steam controller rockReally good for 3rd person games
>nooo it's 100 bucks!!!!Have people never seen any of Valve's hardware pricing before? It's always pretty high.
>>737622465We're never going back to the days of 50/60 dollar controllers unless you go for non-major brands like Gullikit.90 dollars is actually a steal for what you're getting since this does a lot more than Sony and Microsoft's "Pro" controllers
>>737625163You can get a used pico 4 for like $150
>>737630159steam deck was fair when it came out.
>>737630159The old controller was sold for 5 bucks.
>>737622964>Trackpad emulates a mouseNo it emulates a trackpad which fucking sucks.>Emulate KeyboardIn what fucking world?
>>737630412On stock clearance. I can't remember what the base price was, but I remember it being pretty comically high, it was like 60 bucks.>>737630410Steam Deck was not even remotely fair in terms of pricing.
>>737622632Trackpads are very handy for FPS aiming
>>737630523>In what fucking world?Never heard of Steam Input?
>>737624410He's a schizophrenic oldcuck with a bad case of zoomer derangement syndrome, pay him no mind.
>>737630568>On stock clearance.patent troll lawsuit that made them give all profit to c*rsairthey sold them for nothing so corsair got nothing
>Steam Deck was not even remotely fair in terms of pricing.lol
with how ugly it is and how off-putting these pads must be to the normie brain this is DoA.It needed to be 79.99 tops if they wanted the normals to give this a try, as it is only the autistic SC enthusiasts and the Valve cultists will get it. Remove that stupid pluck thing, the grip touch meme and the useless left trackpad and sell it for 59.99 and it'd be sold out for a year.
>>737630893>Remove that stupid pluck thing, the grip touch meme and the useless left trackpad and sell it for 59.99 and it'd be sold out for a year.Sure just remove everything that distinguishes it from 99% of gamepads, surely that's what people were waiting for
>>737629006>I’ve used that at wellYou *tried* it. You don’t have 100+ hours, because everyone who does becomes a huge fan.
>>737631126Stockholm syndrome
>>737631126>Our product is something of an acquired tasteThey you won't be acquiring my money
>>737622632Original Steam controller was goated for Omega Strikers
>>737631126>it gets good 100 hours inusing this excuse for hardware and being completely unironic is embarrassing
What's your strategy for getting an order in before they're gone? Lurk /v/ and check steam front page at times? Any RSS release feed you can crawl to get alerts? Or are you waiting for the second batch or second revision?
>>737631126imagine brain-raping yourself into liking a shitty gimmick pad
>>737631104Do you have issues with reading comprehension?The puck is literally a vanity skin for the USB-C cable, the grip sensor is a gimmick that is already solved by the touchpad/joystick touch sensors, and the left pad is useless 99% of the time "but I play my autistic MMO garbage with 593 bindings with it!!" it's still useless for normal people, unlike the right touchpad which is indeed the main selling point and should stay no matter what.
>>737628615Interesting. The main game I wish to move to the coach is a strategy game with a lot of keyboard shortcuts. How many keyboard buttons can you controller emulate?Each trackpad on the Steam Controller 2 can become 9 keys, so 18 key combinations if I use its gyroscope as a mouse.
>>737631413Being 100 bucks keeps a lot of the poor retards away, so as long as you see it in the first 10 minutes you're probably good.
>>737631479>>>737622632the puck is a receiver you fucking idiot
>>737631479The puck is also a wireless receiverThe grip sensor is meant to make gyro readjustments easier, not to activate gyro. Most of the point of this pad is to have a gyro pad that's actually usable.The left touchpad helps with quick shortcuts which a good number of PC games have (and emulators), and acts as a scrolling wheel as well.
>>737622529What about this doesn’t meet those criteria? There are cheaper controllers that do far less, and more expensive controllers which also do less.
>>737624008This thing is okay but it's no Steam Controller
browsing this board makes me realize how poor and retarded the average person isi dont even mean in a richy rich sense. $90 was $60 a decade ago
>>737632134shiteater
A touch pad on a controller is the dumbest waste of money ever. Gyro is better than a touch pad for every scenario I can even think of besides using it for extra shortcuts (like swipe up/down/left/right or touching the corners for different commands)
>>737632156coupon-user
>>737624553I literally have this thing right next to me right now and I still use it to game with because xbox/ps controllers are fucking dogshit and break all the time and have awful battery life etc
What does this thing do that a PS5 controller doesn't? PS5 controller has dynamic triggers and probably way better rumble. The PS5's rumble works off converting sound into rumble allowing for 3D positioned rumble. I doubt this thing even comes close.
>>737632279>besides using it for extra shortcutsThis is a really useful feature. I use it enough that I would not be willing to buy a controller without a track pad. Being able to use it for other things if there is a need is just a bonus.
>>737622465An 8BitDo Pro 3 for a third of the price is a better but.
>>737632574>What does this thing do that a PS5 controller doesn't?The problem is that it won't work without Steam, and you'll need to add the game to Steam to use the controller. If the game is from Game Pass or EGS, the controller might not work even if you add the game to Steam.
>>737629449>I don't want to move the screen around too much anyways.With a high enough sensitivity, you never have to move it more than a couple degrees.
>>737632574Yes, however1. Adaptive triggers in many cases just become a fucking annoyance2. Haptic feedback only works wired3. The dualsense is shit at something like flick stick because you'd have no extra bindings to take advantage of for toggling gyro while using the right analog stick (unless you can get away with using something like R1 to toggle it)
>>737631375>it gets good 100 hours inNo. More like you get used to it 100 hours in. Going from a normal controller to a mouse, you won't get it right away either. Doesn't mean mice are inherently bad.
>>737632904But then you'd lose any semblance of accuracy while aiming
>>737623382That's with the hype tax. It will be $60-80 in a few months.
>>737632956Oh and I forgot the fourth one4. The PS5 controller has a shitty battery and analogs that require modding
>>737632574>What does this thing do that a PS5 controller doesn't?A touchpad that isn't cheap trash located in a sensible position. Other than that though yeah not much and ironically the Dualsense is compatible with more PC games since most new games have native support and also has directInput for old games yet the Steam Controller uses proprietary api shit and needs Steam to even function as a controller. Valve can be really retarded sometimes.
>>737632574>The PS5's rumble works off converting sound into rumble allowing for 3D positioned rumblewot
>>737622632>He doesn't know about the multiuses of the trackpads>He doesn't see the thumbsticks above themSo you're blind and retarded. Got it.
>>737632306yeah man smart people always pay more even when they could pay less.
>>737622465>90USD.99
>>737622632This post agitated a fair amount of autistic folx
>>737633069He's not wrong, it's partly why this thing needs to be wired.
>>737627646>xbox controller>good
>>737622465Controllers cost like $50-$90 now and they are all designed to break after a year lol.
>$100 Yeah this thing is going to be overhypedseems to just be steamdeck components slapped onto a controllerBetter than the absolute dogshit og Steam controller that retards pretended was good but still too expensive and bulky to catch on IMO
>>737633567My steam controller still works after a decade
>>737622465Every controller has been overpriced ever since xbone/ps4 era, probably because they put dumb gimmicks in them, they should be ~$40-50
>>737631413Prepurchase steam bucks.
>>737622465>>737622632give me one of these but with trackballs instead of trackpads
Any possible chance of this receiving a pro variant?
>>737634583down the line it's not unlikelyvalve loves to tinker with shit, look how much changed with the steam deck oled, they could've just put in an oled screen but you could tell quite a bit of work was done to make this a refresh instead
>>737633004You won't. The gyro is precise enough.
>>737633004only splatoonchads can understand how good gyro aim really is
>>737630523>No it emulates a trackpad which fucking sucks. A trackpad is a type of mouse. It also doesn't fucking suck.>In what fucking world?In the world where you can set it to act as a touch menu with 16 buttons. Also known as Earth.
>>737635019Well maybe then we'll get 1k gyro polling rate, extra shoulder buttons, capacitive buttons, dual stage triggers switch
>>737624173I actually really like them. My real issue with the Steam controller is that the haptic feedback is shit because it wasn't meant ot have it in the first place and that's a big miss.
>>737631413You think I'm telling you? Lmao nice try
>>737635818It could be 100 for all i care. Actuation those touch menu buttons will always be too slow and cumbersome to be any use.
>>737632574>PS5 controller has [secondary feature] and probably [secondary feature]This has better primary features, meaning the shit that actually matters.
>>737632779>If the game is from Game Pass or EGSWell, good thing that this won't be an issue for a single person with a soul.
>>737631501no idea but have you heard of modifyer keys?or better yet, a wireless keyboard.or this thing.can also get for 30.
>>737622465Gabe needs another yacht bro. just buy the controller.
>>737631413why would anyone want to buy this garbage? to post on the steam reddit board for other steam shills to pat you on the back?
>>737636208This also applies to games that you pirated.
>>737636392I've made several layout for the steam deck, the trackpads are great, you're a smooth brained troll
>>737622529get a ps3 controller and an adapter like mayflash etc.
>>737622465It has the same features as the elite xbox and playstation controllers that cost 200usd
>>737636139Such as? Back paddles are the only thing. You may as well just buy a cheap 8bit do for or something for 1/2 or 1/3 the price
>d pad>joysticks>back buttons>DUAL trackpadsWhats next? Pocket pussy accessory with real time dynamic heating and vibration options?
>>737636814You can't say that it destroys their narrative
>>737636874>Such as?Trackpads that are more precise and in a better position, as well as capacitive sticks and grips to toggle gyro.>Back paddles are the only thing. You may as well just buy a cheap 8bit doExcept then the back buttons won't be configurable through Steam input.
>>737636878>Whats next? Pocket pussy accessory with real time dynamic heating and vibration options?Yes, please!
>>737631501>9 keysTry 16
>>737636453>shart deckholy fuck lolwhere did it go so wrong? 10 years ago a PC gamer wouldn't dare consider settling for 20fps with drops @ 480p resolution just because it's a handheld
>>737637619what does any of this buzzword slop have to do with user input
>>737622529>>737622465i remember when it was made in america, what went wrong guys?
>>737627453>Clawing is still superiorClawing has always been the result of dogshit controller design as its a form of compensation for it. example being xbot controllers
>>737622465>$90 for a premium controller with top notch build quality >too expensive.Elite series 2 controllers are still almost $200.
>>737637726you're a steamie that buys any shit they release>steam controller + frame + deck + box + link + machineyep it's steaming time. you're as insufferable as apple faggots that only live to consoom brand name
>>737638003t. thirdie who cannot buy it and goes sour grapes
>>737638003again, what does any of this buzzword slop have to do with user input
>>737638003Nah. I bought a deck because I really liked the idea of having a PC in the form factor of a handheld, especially because I travel so much, and am now very interested in the new controller because the inputs and eergonomics on the deck are wonderful to use and it's basically that without the screen.
>>737638117I'm fine with Xbox controllers thanks>just works>never breaks>natural shape, form and button config for gamingmeanwhile steam is releasing the frankencontroller to reinvent the wheel and sell steamies a square shaped wheel kekaroo
>Steam controllers:>Built for playing video games>Playstation controllers>Built for the immersion of video gamesExplains the no games ps5 then
>>737638405>Xbox controller>just works>never breaksahh so you play games for 1 hour per week
>>737631375>the truth follows a template I'm programmed against so you're wrongbased NPC
>>737633174It's fine. You're just a contrarian fag
>>737638872>truth ends where my shill campaign begins>my entire personality and life is centered around telling people online which Steam (tm) Products from the Valve Corporation I own
>>737622659It's claimed to be an improvement over the Steam Deck in the leaked review.
>>737638872That's not a template, it's a commonly-shared sentiment.
>>737638405>Xbox controllers>>just worksLMAO HAHAHA IT CAN'T EVEN AIM HAHAHAHAHA>>never breaksBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HOLY SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>737638979it's been holding the industry back for over a decade because it STILL doesn't have gyro
>>737639173why would i need to aim? who is playing a game that requires aiming with a controller? u ok lil bro? they have this thing called keyboard and mouse for when it's time to play PC games. controller is for nintendos and console ports
>>737622964>Even old DOS gamesSo shit thats not worth playing.
>still no clarification on whether the Frame controllers work without the headset
why does the $90 make third worlders so mad? did gaben not think about brown people when he designed this?
>>737639395https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YsIs2dBxTwU>aiming in console gaming.>console only's talking about "skill" required to play their toy game...hahaha.
>>737639669who plays call of duty in the big 26? are you like 50 or something gramps?
>>737639663No and that's a good thing.>think of the poor brown shits.I think not. You lost the real life RNG gamble. Blame your parents.
>>737639628I don't know if they will out of the box but I'm sure they will soon afterthey already did that for the index so it shouldn't be that hard
>>737639702https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73J4Tlrytz8lol kys zoomer. All your games cheat for you because they know your sub 90-IQ can't handle real gaming.
>>737639173I do not know what the fuck you guys are doing with your controllers but my basic xbox one controller for 50 bucks lasts for 3 years so far with zero issues
>>737639663They want it to be a 30 dollar GAME SAAR. Nothing would ever be good enough because what they're really mad at is that Steam just works and normies are realizing it's better than their console garbage
>>737639841xbox controllers are widely understood to have terrible build qualityif yours still works fine you're either lucky or your standards are too low to detect issues
>>737639839>arc shartersdo you play anything but unc games lol
>>737639870>24fps is fine saar!!!>SEEING IT ALL AS BLURRY PIXELS IS AMAZING GRAPHICS!>SAAR WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS OUTDATED BY 10 YEARS!? SAR!? WE JUST GOT THE RELEASE SAR!that's what they sound like thinking they are smart or patriotic lmao.
>>737640080Let me guess, you only paly gacha games and call yourself a gamer and jerk off to hololive vtubers?
>>737640156>palyu having a stroke unc? take your meds and take a nap
>>737639362>Uhhhh muh gyro uhhhhhhhhController fags are the absolute worst
>>737640193>cares about putting effort into spellchecking a shitpost.jesus, what do you do for a living? trollfarm?
>>737631501>>737637321you can create nested sub menus, so you basically have unlimited keys
Does it have hall effect sticks?
>>737622465That's cheaper than the premium Microsoft and Sony controllers, no? And even those don't use Hall effect sticks let alone TMR. Microsoft's doesn't have motion detection either, those fucks.The best things about Steam Deck were the controls/ergonomics and the price. $100 is a steal.
>>737640271>too retarded to understand that a major console and the de facto PC gamepad not supporting gyro means gyro can't become a new standard featureluckily xbox is just about fucking dead now so we can finally move past their trash products and your trash taste
>>737640371>$100 is a steal.I bought a dualsense with TMR mod for 50 bucks.
>>737633843>seems to just be steamdeck components slapped onto a controllerCongrats genius, you figured it out
Yall need Jesus.
>>737622465Get a job, thirdy
>>737640534>Gyro can't become a new standard featureThank god for that!
>>737641453>xbox fans want less features and worse aiming
>>737641497Not an Xbox fan faggot. Gyro is memetier garbage. Sorry you're upset thirdy
>>737641453>>737641497I hate that thanks to Xbox, we're stuck to 360 controls, which are essentially downgraded DualShock 2 controls.
>>737641497God, I can't wait for Helix to just kill the Xbox altogether.
Don't buy this controller. Nobody is going to buy it, and neither should you.>U$99,99 (NINETY NINE US DOLLARS)!! For A FUCKING CONTROLLER.>Xbox layout for face buttons which suck>Playstation layout for the left analgo stick which sucks>trackpads, who fucking uses trackpads, and TWO to boot, which make the controller fucking huge, and to top it all the trackpads are misaligned and at an angle>hd rumble, nobody cares about hd rumble, consumes a lot of battery and is really annoying>Steam(TM) button, fucking ridiculous>gyro which is terrible for everything>shit build quality>made more expensive by useless new analog stick tech>back buttons which only serve to press by mistake when you're holding the controller>some sort of magnet system to charge the controller, so prone to failure>short cord>laggy wireless>horrible battery>terrible build quality>looks ugly as fuck>D-Pad is terrible>manufactured in China/India>0 resale value because nobody wants this piece of shitSo all in all do NOT buy this controller. Especially on release, or any special editions.
>trackpads >gyro >paddles no one actually uses these
>>737622465Don't care. I'll still buy if it helps make rear buttons standard. That'll improve controls on games infinitely.
>>737641635again, only splatoonchads can understand the true value of gyro
>>737641910K, stick to your pedo squid girl game then kek
>>737640348No
>>737641789cool anyway still buying it
>>737642030>he doesn't want a gamepad input that's practically 1:1 with mouse input
>>737641789what compels an anon to write this much seethe over a fucking controller?
>>737642427>Practically 1:1Retard.
>>737642579Autism
>>737642646>he's still refusing to understand
>already have a 8bitdo pro controller for 60>this piece of shit with laptop trackpad is 100why the fuck would i buy this shit?
everyone shitting on this is retarded and has no idea how dynamic it actually is. you wouldnt have any idea unless you had a steam deck or an old steam controller even though those failed probably mainly because they lacked a proper D pad and right joystick and PC gaming not being popular enough back thenif you do have a deck or old steam controller and think its useless for FPS, its either because you're using the LCD deck which has 60fps and thats not low latency enough for you to feel its worth playing games like that without the hand holding autoaim youd get on a joystick, or you've either never messed with the settings to get it to feel right, or you're too retarded to figure it out, or you just have extremely high standards for FPS games and would never touch them without a mouse, and that last one is totally fair but you dont know until you try the trackpads and get used to it a bit and really refine the controls and try different optionsif you think its useless in general, either you're playing nothing but console games that have full controller support already and refusing to consider playing anything else or totally forgetting how you can bind so many more controls to it and do things like add a turbo button, a literal on screen menu touchpad with the left and or right trackpads for up to dozens more buttons, all kinds of shitnot to mention the huge library of configurations available from what other people make so you dont even have to do that yourself, you can just download one someone else did and look at the layout thanks to all this you can play full blown simulation or strategy computer games with way more controls that a typical gamepad could ever dotheyll likely even port over the already established library of configurations from the steam deck since this seems to be basically exactly the same controller as the deck has
>>737622465>99 dollarsBased, that should mean I can easily get it at launch for free. When Gaben, blessed be he, reworked the CS skin system suddenly my inventory worth 20 dollars was worth 2500 dollars. Sold everything immediately, bought a ton of games and as of today I still have 1,922 steam bucks left in my inventory. Gonna buy two of these things and will also get a SteamFrame when it finally releases for completely free. Thank you Steam.
>>737639395>who is playing a game that requires aiming with a controller?Why do you think that aiming is inherently incompatible with controllers? Why should controllers be arbitrarily stuck in time when the technology to make them competitive with mnk exists?>>737639841>my basic xbox one controller for 50 bucks lasts for 3 yearsThat's not exactly long. Fact is, they use faulty potentiometer sticks that WILL ALL eventually drift.Not to mention that the controller is lacking basic features like gyro aim and back buttons.
>>737640348>>737642090Instead it has TMR, which is even better.
>>737628327Flickstick + gyro is almost on par with M+KB. Only loses slightly on accuracy and lower amount of inputs.
>>737644061nothing in controller competes with mouse and keyboard. what you are thinking of is auto-aim and magnetism, which is a feature of the game to help controller babies feel like big boys.
>>737622465for 100 dollars i expect it to work on a playstation, switch and PC. I can buy a chinese pad for a third the price with way more functionality.
>>737643049You're a generic pedo spastic
>>737641789I agree. Especially do NOT buy it when orders open. I don't really care what you do after that.>>737642579Probably trying to secure his spot in line with how ridiculous it is. Can't blame him.
>>737622632>But I don't WANNA use track padsThat's what the analog sticks are for
>>737640348TMR which is hall effect but better.
>>737622465its $100
>>737644305>what you are thinking of is auto-aim and magnetismWrong. I mean gyro and trackpads. With those, aim assist isn't needed, just like it isn't needed on mouse.
>>737644450hahahaha sure thing retard-chama
>>737622465>bunch of leaksWhat the fuck, why didn't you peiple tell me. Im here all the time on this shithole and you fags cant actually ralk about games
>>737644287he said gyro + trackpad, not gyro + flickstick
>>737644317Please give me a link to the $30 chinktroller that has trackpads, capacitive sticks and grips, and back buttons that can be mapped through Steam Input.
>>737644521https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Wireless-Controller-Joysticks-Gaming-Console/dp/B0FC2NJP8P?crid=3PIK0DZ9E1MJG&sprefix=8bitdo+wukong%2Caps%2C707&sr=8-1nta, also no controller has gay ass trackpads like anyone is going to use that shit
>>737644516>he said gyro + trackpad, not gyro + flickstickThat's just as good, arguably better in some ways.
>>737624553I have one of these things and I fucking hate it
>>737644573>no trackpads>no capacitive sticks>no capacitive grips>only 2 back buttons, probably not mappable through Steam inputThat does not fit a single one of the criteria I asked for.
>>737644351>>737644479splatoon has zero autoaim features even if you disable gyro aim in the ingame options and it can only get away with this because of the accuracy and speed of gyro input
>no extra shoulder buttonsdropped
>>737644704>>no trackpads>>no capacitive sticks>>no capacitive gripscope you are making excuses to pay a extra $60 for shit you will never use
>>737644887>let me tell you how you'll use your controller, please please PLEASE DONT BUY THE STEAM ONE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>737622465Which Chinese company will be the first to clone it?
>>737644887>shit you will never useThat's weird, because I remember using all of those a fuck ton on my 'eck. Must have hallucinated it.
>>737644948>>737644990one spergs and the other doesnt tell me when they use any of that shit, interesting shill tactics
>>737645082>you must be a shill if you want the most technologically advanced controller in existence
>>737644614>That's just as good, arguably better in some ways.Wrong.
>>737645187nigger its a 8bitdo controller with a couple of trackpads on it you are not riding a nasa rocketship chill the fuck out
>>737644521dunno what to tell you, i paid 20 bongs for by 8bitdo pro2 controller, it has back buttons and it works across all my systems.I also have a steam deck so I know what the trackpads and capacitive sticks are for (capacitive sticks are completely useless) and you don't need that shit on a standard controller, its for playing VNs, old pc games and navigating PC UI screens, I'm not doing any of that sitting on a couch.
>>737644809it can only get away with this because there is no cross-play with PC
>>737645425if the 360 had gyro then Shadowrun crossplay would have been fair
>>737622465piece of shit $15 kb+m set remains undefeated
>>737623621They can sell it at a loss and still make money because we'll use the controllers on their platform.
i bet this piece of shit cost $30 to make
>>737645360>capacitive sticks are completely uselessNo the fuck they're not. They seriously improve the experience of using gyro aim. I almost can't go back to gyro aim on switch because it doesn't have them and miss them every second.>its for playing VNs, old pc games and navigating PC UI screensNope. It's for aiming or touch menus for games that have more actions than the controller has buttons. You clearly just haven't put much thought into them.
Valve has never made cheap hardware.
>>737639051It should be a league above the steam deck controller. That thing’s teetering on ass
>>737646068gyro aim is generally useless because no games allow simultaneous mouse and controller input and for the few that do capacitive sticks are completely retarded because your fingers are necessarily always on the sticks since you use them for other things. It makes much more sense to bind gyro aim to the left trigger when you ADS or to an entirely different input that you aren't accidentally going to touch.aiming with a trackpad is retard shit for old men who are allergic to dual sticks. Touch menus are completely pointless, it sounds like you haven't put much thought into a standard controller because you can very easily bind a modifier key and x2 or x4 the amount of buttons any pad has.
>>737646669>gyro aim is generally uselessNo
>>737646669>gyro aim is generally uselessretard who's at best used the ps4's dogshit gyro
>>737646669>gyro aim is generally useless because no games allow simultaneous mouse and controller inputPlenty do. And as gyro becomes standard, more and more games will allow native gyro. Lack of support isn't an issue with the technology.>capacitive sticks are completely retarded because your fingers are necessarily always on the sticksYou usually only use the right stick to trigger it and not the left. This lets you lift it so you can ratchet like with a mouse or adjust your grip withour fucking up your aim. It's not a total game changer but it's nice QOL.>aiming with a trackpad is retard shit for old men who are allergic to dual sticksWrong. Trackpads are better because you can turn instantly like with a mouse.>Touch menus are completely pointlessWrong. Plenty of games have shit like switching weapons or spells or abilities that are normally done through a menu while the game slows down or stops. A touch menu lets you switch without slowing down.>you can very easily bind a modifier key and x2 or x4 the amount of buttons any pad has.True, but now you can also double the amount of actions the trackpads give you. It's also more convenient than a modifier key since you can still do other stuff. An ordered touch menu is also more convenient for switching weapons than having 4 weapons on the dpad, 4 on the face buttons and 1 on one of the bumpers.
>>737647169I refuse to believe any of you gyro evangelists actually play games because its not fucking supported on any PC games. 99/100 games will not allow simultaneous mouse and pad support which is required for gyro, the ones that do require extensive setup to get working, the whole thing is such a gigantic pain in the ass its not even worth thinking about.
>>737647389>because its not fucking supported on any PC gamesyeah, becausea) it's not BETTER than mouse, it's just NEAR 1:1, and every PC already has a mouse so it's not necessary unless you're playing a game intended for gamepads... which would be fine EXCEPTb) Xbox, the defacto PC controller brand, has NEVER supported it
>>737647827>tendie vomitso, remind me why you're whining about gyro and gyro adjacent features on a PC game pad? buying a steam pad isnt going to magically transform every PC game into splatoon.
>>737647389I went back though my last played games until I got twenty games where I did or would have wanted to use gyro. I counted 15 That fully support mouse and controller input at the same time, 3 where it didn't work and I had to bind everything to keyboard and mouse, and 2 where it worked with some minor tweaks. 85% seems like a pretty good success rate and way too high to say that is just luck in my choice of games.
>>737647208>gyro becomes standardsource my ass
>>737648119for me its close to 0% besides titanfall. Currently playing RE revelations 1 which has gyro support on switch (which is also fucking broken because inverting the sticks inverts the gyro) yet you cant do it on a PC. After fucking around for hours I said fuck gyro forever, if its not officially supported I no longer have the time or energy give a shit
>>737648109>tendie vomiti have 3k hours in csgo and almost 10k in dota2>remind me why you're whining about gyro and gyro adjacent features on a PC game pad?because game design and games as art is my autistic special interestthe more methods and formats of input that become standard, the less constrained developers and designers are by the available bandwidth and fidelity of player input, and the richer the possibility space of game design becomeswhen gyro finally, inevitably becomes standard for gamepads, the medium can throw off the smothering yoke of stick-based camera controls for games which also demand analog movement input and we can finally put platform-level hack-tier autoaim features in the fucking grave where they belong
I don't understand why people have such an issue with the trackpads. This controller is clearly just another piece of the whole Valve ecosystem and primarily made to go together with the Steam Machines so that you can navigate the OS from your couch without the need of an extra input device. Nobody seriously considers playing games with those track pads (I hope).
Gyro has been around for a while
>>737622465How tf are you supposed to hold that thing?And the dpad is one singular piecelooks trash
>>737649012>Im a tendie who only plays 2 PC games, let me tell you about how important gyro aim is on PC.Yes. I already knew you were a hypothetical gyro enthusiast who got all his opinions from ecelebs like nerrel and who doesn't actually use it on PC games because if you were you wouldn't be concerned about gyro on a PC game pad.
>>737648881The only explanation is that either I am extremely lucky or you are extremely unlucky. I will say that I've found older games are more likely to have issues since your example is on the older side unless there was a re-release. I'll also note that RE2 remake was one of the 3 games that didn't work and Monster Hunter Rise was one of the games that needed a tweak (had to assign right stick as mouse input since it drops inputs when switching between mouse and analog camera), so Capcom specifically was shaky. However, both Monster Hunter World and Pragmata have native gyro support, so they apparently learned it is worthwhile on both Switch and PC.
>>737622529You can buy a gamesir controller for like 20 bux.
>>737649375>xinput and 640K RAM ought to be enough for anyone
>>737622713>What the fuck do you want?I want AA batteries, so I can swap them out in 10 seconds, and I want a dedicated 2.4 GHz dongle, because Bluetooth is irredeemable dogshit and no I will not look at your latency testbed because the problem isn't tested latency, it's stutter and interference. That leaves me with Microshit controllers, the fish-friendly F710, and that's fucking it, chief. The Xbox One pad would have been perfect were it not for the shittastic face button contacts.
>>737634136would you accept this
>>737622632kingat least they remembered to put a second analog stick on it this time
>>737622632SPBP
>>737622465>90USDSo the box will be $1k
i know a lot of people here are baiting or shitposting but there has to be at least a few retards who are actually mad and dont understand why the controller has these features as if valve isnt trying to combine PC gaming with the console experience and you can just not buy the controller if you dont want to
>>737650619I just think the trackpads were a waste, plus it looks about as comfortable to hold as a wii u gamepad
>>737650709i have a deck and the trackpads are definitely helpful when typing and trying to navigate the desktop, but to be fair i basically never use it in games. i also dont play games that strictly require a mouse so. the deck is comfortable to hold tho and i doubt the controller will be different, the gap on the handles is just filled in, wont affect you unless you have freakishly long fingers
>>737649742Now it's better
>>737622465Just buy a dualsense 5 instead of this garbage
>>737651146i have a friend who plays on ps5 and he has like 5 different controllers now because each one starts drifting like crazy after a year or two
>>737649742>mfw I miss keyboard "nubs"Those things were more accurate than we gave them credit for.
>>737643931I have a steam deck and Im absolutely not wasting money on this meme.
>>737649657You're arguing about something completely different. It is not important for a pc gamepad in 2026 and I have 0 reason to pay any extra money for a feature that is not supported by any games.
>>737651274i'm sorry to hear about your low intelligence anon, i hope you can find a way to cope
>>737651267im wasting money on it purely for the reason that its a first party controller by valve so i dont have to buy gamesaar from china or waste my time hooking up 3rd party apps like ds4 or be limited to only wired connection for the switchpro2. plus valve is by far one of the best companies for customer service
>>737651390you can buy a superior and way cheaper chink pad from amazon and valve does NOT have better customer support than amazon.I could straight up slice my chinkpad in half and then still return it and get a full refund.
>>737642579I'm gonna assume (You)s
>>737651469i dont want an amazon basics chinkpad tho i want a controller that just works with steam with ergonomics im already used to, half the reason i wont buy 3rd party controllers is bc they either try to make their own controller feel or just do a really shitty job emulating the ps5 or xbox controller
>>737622465>>737622529Don't worry once it's out some Chinese company will clone it and sell it for a reasonable price.
I make 90 USD in an hour lmao what are you poor?
>>737622465Alright. What hentai games will have support for rubbing the trackpads like nipples.
>>737651552nonsense
>>737651274Stop being a retard anon. It doesn't need to be supported by games because the gyro already outputs mouse event. Stuff that all games already support.
>>737624553>It was so cheap after the lawsuit they were practically giving it away too.man if only my steam region at the time wasn't set to argentina for dirt cheap games i would have bought a few of those
>>737651601doubt chinks will bother to copy something this gimmicky. they got other autistic obsessions with their pads now like polling rates and microswitches.
>half the price of xbox elite controller>twice the features
>>737622465whats gabens obsession with these fucking trackpads, they suck cock.
Why would you buy the controller standalone when it comes included with the steam machine?
>>737651916They copy literally everything, there's no shot this won't be copied.
>>737652020will it? my bet is it will just be sold in a bundle with the gabecube for like 30 bucks cheaper
>>737652020Why would I buy a steam machine?
>>737634136You can use them as trackballs, like the mouse cursor keeps going when you slide your thumb fast and then off of it. It has that option.>>737639523Fuck you, you don't know shit.
>>737651879I've already repeated a billion times than 95% of games do not support simultaneous mouse and pad support which is necessary to enable gyro.
>>737652020I'm not paying $1200 for a controller
>>737651146>dualsense 5No such thing exists, casual
>>737652262>95%More like less than 15 and even then you can just bind the left stick to wasd.
>>737622465>this thing costs a fucking 90USD.Once again, game companies are copying Nintendo.
>>737622632Said me.
>>737652462It hasn't worked on any game I've tried it with besides titanfall. >giving up analog movement and triggers for gyro, also rebinding every single game you ever play this conversation is over, you are retarded
>>737652609i forgot to add>try to rebind a shooter to MKB>game doesn't allow pad + mouse simultaneously so suddenly you no longer have dual stick aim, ontop of only having digital movement on a thumb stick which feels like absolute shit.this is how I know you gyro retards are regurgitating eceleb opinions and don't actually play games on PC.
>>737624553I do have one, but>The bulky arms are uncomfortable>No real rumble>No Dpad>Build quality feels very cheapThe Steam controller 2 is like an improved version of the Steam controller with all the features that the first one was missing.
>>737624553I didn't use the first steam controller because it took batteries and lacked a dpad. Fuck that shit.
>>737652486luckily valve isnt copying their drifting sticks lol
>>737627646I have one and you're lying, Xbox controller is extremely poorly made. It wasn't perfect even straight out of the box. It made my DS3 look like the Rolls Royce of controllers in comparison.
>>737653187I've owned several Xbox controllers, several PlayStation controllers, Nintendo controllers, controllers for all sorts of systems. Xbox controllers are fine and you're retarded.
>>737652486>Outdated sticks>No pressure triggers>Standard bluetoothLiterally worse than a $30 chinktroller, how do consolefags let them get away with this?
>>737653570the non-analog triggers are pretty nice to use for me, at least on pc, since basically no games actually require the analog part of them
>>737653526>Xbox dpads
>>737653526Have you considered that you're poor, so you're used to extremely low quality products? Maybe that's why it's fine for you. I'm not used to such poorly made devices. I'm not gonna say the DS3 was high quality, but it was way better in comparison. The buttons on that were smooth unlike the Xbox controller.
>>737622632Spbp
>>737653570The reason why the switch 2 pro controller is so expensive is two things, both related. First, they're using all their vietnam manufacturing capacity for the console so that they can sell it with a lower tariff. This means the controller has to be made in China where they pay a higher tariff. Second, they are selling the console at a loss due to tariffs and AI based memory price spikes, so they have to make the money back in other places. They are doing everything possible to not raise the price of the console.
>>737653626I play racers and flying games, so they're important for me. Good for Gamecube games as well.I have an 8bitdo Pro 3, so I can toggle to digital triggers if I need to.
>>737636319I'll care when you can be ergonomically angled with the right wrist.
>>737653891i mean those are pretty much the only games where analog triggers actually matter. a lot of the games i play with my procon2 are games where the triggers are essentially just buttons anyway. im not saying analog triggers need to be eliminated or something but i think people give the procon more shit than is warranted when its the only first party controller with digital triggers. you can just get chinkshit or a ds5 if you really need them
>>737654021>i think people give the procon more shit than is warranted when its the only first party controller with digital triggersProbably because it means entire genres will be a bad experience. It's not like having switches in the triggers costs much to do, I don't know why all first party controllers don't have them. Maybe they think customers are retarded and won't understand how they work.
>>737653709Nice projection, but in the opposite of poor. Sorry about the rest of whatever you said thirdy
>>737654196Not him but I have a steam deck and there are definitely downsides to analog triggers. Pushing them down feels less satisfying and also takes longer. Playing Mario and doing the long jump with those things as an example sucks ass. It's a trade off not an automatic upgrade.
>>737654320to be fair that would be solved with configurable thresholds, so a half press or quarter press would count as a button eventbut that has its own downside because there's no physical feedback
>>737654196ive tried controllers with switches in the triggers tho and it just doesnt feel as good. the triggers are either made to be pressed as a button or made with travel distance in mind so trying to compromise with a switch just makes it feel awkward to pull on, especially if the switch makes it stay at the top where it feels really chunky now that it doesnt go down all the way
>>737622465>steam frame is 1099such fail ffs gaben. I do not care about steam controller you gift me with it or stupid steam power banks or whatever i want ~700 frame
>>737622465Couldn't they have just cheaped out and gone with hall effect sticks to lower the price?What exactly makes TMR so much better than hall effect anyway?
>>737642579It's /v/ in 2026.Odds are it's some mental case nintendo fanboy having a chrischan tier meltdown
>>737641789>laggy wirelessIt literall works on 2.4GHz, console plebs are still stuck using bluetooth lmao.
