Can Macs game yet?
>>737623502its better now, the games that work or have a native version works really wellthe m4/5 is a beast
>>737623560will they ever have something akin to Proton
yes
>>737623502Why do you want to game on this overpriced piece of shit that has obscure cpu architecture, barely any cooling and non-functional keyboard?Macs are for content creators, designers and running LLMs locally
>>737624320because i want to
>>737624320Because I want an OS that has a /usr/ folder.
>>737623626There will be if there isn't one already since Gamehub is coming to mac
>>737625548install Linux with GnomeIt is literally the same as MacOS just less shitty, updates faster, has no dogshit default apps like Finder and has native support for containers
>>737624320>obscure cpu architectureARM is obscure now? You sound handicapped.>>737623502They're acceptable with MoltenVK, but absolutely nothing special.
didnt some new launcher thing come out for it recently
>>737625849>ARM is obscure now?when it comes to gaming? AbsolutelyMost PC games exist as x86-64 binaries
>>737625963>Most PC games exist as x86-64 binarieswhy
I unironically think that ARM/M1s are the future.It's fucking insane that this phone CPU from 2020 can run WoW quite well in a fanless notebook.
>>737626123Part of the reason the M chips are so performant is the memory architecture. Instead of using DIMMs like a PC, it uses memory soldered to the motherboard. It's a double edged sword because it means that you can't upgrade it, but it's got a ton more bandwidth than almost all commercial CPUs for its memory. They're very impressive. Apple seem to have focussed a lot more on the video encoding capabilities of the M chips - an M1 chip is almost as good at encoding video into H265 as a 3060Ti, but they are nowhere near each other in any other term.
>>737626123>I unironically think that ARM/M1s are the future.people have been saying this for how long now? stil not true
>>737628750Valve seems to think so.The Steam Frame will use ARM and they've been investing a lot of money into their Proton for ARM in recent years
Sort of. The hardware is good enough now and Apple has its own graphics/compute API called Metal. If you wrote a game for Mac you could probably get it to run really well, but there just aren't very many games made for Macs yet. Apple's new hardware is fast as fuck but cross platform games run like shit on Apple silicon though since compilers are still optimized for x86.
>>737628837so...never?
>>737629473why are you wasting your saturday being a willfully obtuse faggot, go outside ugly
>>737623502It's one tier better than trying to play pc games on an android tablet, that is to say it's still not very good
>>737628965they need to make a proton like valve did if theyre never gonna get devs on board for making native ports they need to do something about it themselves. also now that the neo exists this would make them even more dominant
>>737624320>Macs are for content creators, designers and running LLMs locallyit's for using as a dedicated shitposting device when laying in bed
>>737629963Pretty sure the news igpu sucks
they look nice but since they can't play good games I never got one, got other apple products thoughI know a guy that got one because he said league of legends lags less on it
>>737625621whats gamehub?
>>737630302A launcher that lets you run pc games on android
>>737623626There's a mac version of wine, yeah
what
>>737623502Why cant these MSI and ASUS companies just make a decent slick unibody laptops that don't look autistic. It's literally all it takes. Macs are beautifully made and easy to use, if they just make one like this but with Windows it's literally all it takes.
>>737624073Why is problems in quotations
It's getting games I might buy if I had newer mac. I'm on m1 and ps5 pro
>>737637019They dont wanna compete with apple. HP and Dell used to make great "high end" laptops with magnesium shells things were bolted to (is that what unibody is? I have no idea) but in the last decade even they slopped out.
The hardware is best on the market except for high end dGPU laptops which have issues of their own. The main fault is the lack of support. I feel like the M series gets less gaming support than Intel Macs which makes them really not good for daily gaming. They are the best laptops for office work though due to power effiency and MacOS still taking a liquid shit on Windows for ARM.
>>737624073imagine food
neo or a refurbished m5 air?
>>737638348>dgpuIs MXM still alive?
>>737623502Sort of yeah, we're at about 7/10 performance to compatibility with Crossover, you're gonna lose a lot of performance from the translation overhead but most things are honestly playable at this point
Crimson desert runs on macs and they actively patch the mac version
>>737626276>soldered to the motherboardthey solder it directly to the cpu
>>737623502No, I'm pretty sure they are in a cartel agreement with Microsoft to not pursue gaming outside of mobile trash.>>737623626They also need to emulate x86 on ARM. They have the tech (Rosetta), but you're only going to play old games. I'm pretty sure Valve (I think, but I may be imagining things) has a blog post about running x86 games on ARM, not on Mac specifically, but it gives an idea of what is possible.
>>737639302neo is slightly faster than the M1, the M5 is better
>>737640028hmm nice neo it is
>>737623502Absolutely.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lswbpVtAhrc
>>737624073>Dobson implying he ever ate fruit
>>737640006Well, there's some stuff here, Valve is funding Fex project, which is about running Windows games on Linux ARM. They show a demo of some bing bing wahoo game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yDXyW1WERgGiven that Valve already made gamedev Pajeets at least test their shit on the Deck, Apple could totally make them release Mac builds. It's just that for no apparent reason they don't want the gaming market.
>>737640104>704x440
>>737625769>Gnome>Less shitty than the macos uiLolLmao evenSure they try to imitate, but it's nowhere close
>>737623626There was a Mac version of Proton. It was Proton. Valve dropped macOS support for Proton because Apple made it too inconvenient to maintain it. CodeWeavers, a company working on the technology behind Proton, will still sell you a version of CrossOver that lets you play Windows games.
NoThermals still suck also
>>737641081>Thermals still suck alsoFor gaming yeah
>>737623502Yeah apple arcade is very good
hows the OS
>>737641338Good in some ways worse in others compared to windows
>>737641338I heard it turns u gay and then u get AIDSThat's how Steve Jobs died...
>>737641796Had a great advantage for making music prior to Windows 10 because you did not need any external sound card to attain near zero latency (due to how "drivers" work in its kernel)... but Windows 10 solved that implementing low level hardware access so that's that.
i dont understand why you would buy a mac even the cheapest mac right now which costs like 600 bucks is easily outperformed by any "gaming" laptop or pre-built at the same price point
You're gonna spend a lot of money for nothing if you plan to game. It's there for maybe indieshit and that's about it. Even metal stuff isn't amazing but macfags are easily impressed.Also things like adaptive sync are a crapshoot. I can actually enable that with my external monitor (using a mac mini) and it just won't work on games. I don't know what it is for if not for that. I'm here playing Silksong on my mac mini and all I'm noticing is that there's frameskipping. On a fucking 600 dolla machine. Silksong.I've seen some fag play games on a M3 Max locked at 60fps, 1080p. Thousands of dollars for a machine that will play games like Elden Ring at a measly 1080p, 60fps. That is kinda fucking sad. I feel like at this point an 800 dollar laptop should handle something better than that.There's a funny detail about macOS. You can pair a dualsense, and you can change the bindings on it. It lets you do more than pairing it to Windows or Linux. I shit you not. Anyways, if you take the games out of the equation, I find it to shit on Wangblows, and I find it has shit Linux struggles with without relying on a lot of fucking scripting.
>>737641978WASAPI still sucks especially if you have a garbage Realtek card with its garbage drivers (that's what every Windows laptop has). I'm not sure how you can do any audio monitoring without a separate cards with ASIO support.
>>737623502Got a Macbook air M4What's the easiest and fastest way to play PSX and PS2 games bros?
>>737642239Pcsx2
>>737625769A FUCKING FOOT
>>737642239>open up the cli>brew search retroarch>brew search pcscx2>>737642036Because it emulates up to the switch so it plays every game worth playing.
>>737642036The neo is garbage but normally these are efficiency machines. You don't buy them for gaming, you buy them for shitposting, RAW editing and AI nonsense without melting or making noise.>>737625769Files has about maybe 12% of the features finder has. I found file managers on android more useful than that piece of shit.
>>737641812he died of ligma
>>737623502Yes, also I added a thermal pad inside my Neo and it noticeably got snappier which is nice.
>>737642231I use Cubase and their ASIO driver made for Win10 and it works flawlessly
>>737642613I don't understand why they designed it like that. But at least it's more repairable than any other fucking thing they've released in the last god knows how many fucking decades.
>>737625769Yeah but still it doesn't just work. Only people who haven't used macOS think it's even a comparison. It's 2026 and Linux still has no support for HiDPI, but of course, I don't expect anyone who has never used a mac to even realise the importance of PPI: like console cucks who claim eye cannot see beyond 30fps.
>>737623502
>>737642619It's probably ASIO over WASAPI, just like how FL Studio does it, and you're probably getting 20-50ms of latency, 2-4 times of an external card with native ASIO.
>>737625996Because Windows, Xbox and PlayStation 4/5 all run on those
>>737642753You think you need PPI because Apple never implemented ClearType. Everyone can buy a 4K screen nowadays. Few people do, because it's a waste of money if your software is not Apple trash.
>>737642753>It's 2026 and Linux still has no support for HiDPI, but of course, I don't expect anyone who has never used a mac to even realise the importance of PPI: like console cucks who claim eye cannot see beyond 30fps.At least you can use monitors under 5K on linux with fractional scaling working.On macOS, if you have a 1440p monitor you're basically fucked. You want 125% scaling? Gotta download BetterDisplay, enable hiDPI (because Apple won't let you do that from the settings) and have blurrier -everything- than what you'd get on linux or windows because you're essentially downscaling 5k. Wanna play Valheim? Now it's rendered at 5K and your mac shits itself. Gotta drop down to 1440p-- oh now it looks blurry, amazing.On plasma it just fucking works. You can set the thing to 125%, fonts are sharp, 1 pixel lines are 1 pixel lines. I can actually use it from a good distance and still have plenty of screen real estate. Best of all, I can actually use my max refresh rate.
>>737643024More like 6-12ms.
