How come in 30 years of gaming industry they havent come up with a better game design than this?
>>737626323One man dared to dream
they did
>>737626323Isn't it really dangerous to have a town sit right next to a monster generator?
>>737626691Housing prices are affordable
>>737626323There is no better design, you want a hub where you do non combat things and that's the city, and you want a place where you fight and that's the dungeon, floors are simple and to the point difficulty line.
>>737626421Looks like slop
>>737626691>monster generatorgarbage RPGmark that shit as *cleared* and let the town spend the rest of their lives looting it
>>737626756This plus dungeons as a source of local trade and industry.
>>737626323And somehow have never tapped it's full potential. Sad.
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>>737626323There is no game designed like this. Wizardry is the only one. Everything else to do with this design is an anime or manga.
>>737626323>We've set our entire economy around this one old ruin>OMG ADVENTURER-SAMA! YOURE THE FIRST PERSON EVER TO REACH THE 3RD FLOOR OF THE DUNGEON
>>737626691Diversity is our strength, bigot.
>>737627210Diablo, you fucking retard.
>>737627365diablo sends you into a single dungeon? There's no overworld?
>>737626323>>737626691>Town set next to a dungeon >3rd act the monster get out and the town is now a full level
>>737627405I can't believe I share this website with people like you.
>>737627210Etrian Odyssey
>>737627405>diablo sends you into a single dungeon?Yes?>There's no overworld?You mean the town? Which is in the image? Fucking moron.
>>737627365diablo isn't a single dungeon, there's giant fields and a desert level and jungle and snow levels
>Might be the most addicting game I've ever played.
>>737627210Angband is exactly like that.
>>737627210Zelda
>>737627210Literally shiren the wanderer
>>737626691Yes. But IRL we have built town in areas that are about as bad just because of some local produce that paid well enough. Hell that's how most fishing towns used to be, people living next to an area that could either kill them in a tsunami or an infine spawn of pirate attack unless there's enough angry men with pointy sticks around.
make open world game, no sense of progression, boring and pointlessmake level based/static open world, you get bored of finding out where you can't go, or lean how to grab loot from high level areas, breaking the diffcultywhat's the solution bros? how do we make a game world with freedom and progression?
>>737627210Dragon's Dogma the city is built right on top of a dungeon and most people don't even know it
>>737627210Light Crusader
>>737626691Why do you think they're trying to clear it?
>>737627210Barony
>>737627720Can I get some advice for how to git gud at this? It feels as if I never get a chance to cash out and return to town to upgrade anything. I do like the games idea but loot seems worthless if I can never sell it.
>>737627405>zoomer has never played diablo 1
>>737626323One hub connected to another hub?Anything lower budget than that would just be menu navigation.
>>737626323it will be just jrpg themed deep rock galactic, it will be fun but not that new
>>737626323I have a revolutionary new idea
>>737628925NANI THE FUCK
>>737626323When it's not an enclosed structure/instance, it's just called open world PvE.
>>737628925Kino
>>737630160So the town isn't safe?!
>>737627210pretty much every RPG follows that formula, just because they add some empty space and cutscenes inbetween to obfuscate the design, doesn't change its core
>>737630160pathologic
>>737627210That image is literally from the Diablo 1 pitch document.
All I need
>>737626323how come in 12000 years of civilization humans havent come up with better artificial legs than the wheel?
>>737632439ys originbrandishtower of druaga
>>737628541 Stop thinking of it like Diablo 3 where you’re supposed to vacuum up the entire floor and teleport home every 3 minutes.D1 (and stuff like it) is about **controlled greed**. If you never make it back to town it’s because you’re overextending.A few basics, anon:- Don’t full clear every level early. Push until you’ve got a decent pile + you’re low on pots, then bail.- Use town portal scrolls like they’re oxygen. If you’re dying with 3 in your inventory that’s on you.- Drop trash. White gear is vendor bait, not heirlooms. Prioritize gold-per-slot.- Grind safe floors. If you hit a wall, go up a level and farm skeletons like a coward. That’s intended.- Don’t facetank everything. Doorways are your best friend.The “can’t cash out” feeling usually means you’re treating it like a modern ARPG treadmill instead of a survival crawl. The tension of *maybe* losing your haul is literally the point.tl;dr: play like a paranoid rat, not a loot goblin. The town trip feels amazing once you earn it.
>>737633719No I mean advice for Azure dream specifically. I have a copy of it and play on my PS2.
>>737626691The town is in cahoots with the dungeon. Monsters never destroy more than the town can afford to lose to look like it needs help, and in exchange a fresh party of adventurers is sent to the slaughter every now and then.
>>737626691Um. There's a lock on the door retard.
>>737628541NTA but you need to find a wind crystal in the dungeon so you can warp out. Play safe and warp when you think you're at risk of dying, if you're lucky you'll find an extra crystal along the way, so you can take that with you going in the next time or hoard them in your storage until you have gear you care about keeping and don'twant to risk on not finding any crystals.While you don't keep your levels, your monsters do, so eventually even if you're really bad or unlucky, you'll be able to slowly make progress as your monsters do most of the work for you.Biggest tip I can give is to lift lightweight monsters like Kewne over your head and carry him around, he won't get hungry as you carry him, so this massively increases the amount of time you have to rely on him, and when you see an enemy you can throw Kewne at them and he'll fight the monster while you can watch from a safe distance. Lifting lightweight enemies over your head and throwing them in the opposite direction of where you're going can help a lot too to prevent unnecessary combat.
>>737628541>>737635501Oh, also when your monster is strong enough to solo duel your rival, you'll want to smoke him every time you encounter him cause he has a rare chance to drop a wind crystal.
>>737635501That's very funny but I'll try it thank you. How often should I be seeing wind crystals?
>>737627210Darkest Dungeon.
>>737627210Adventure time: explore the dungeon because I don't know (not a good game)
>>737628553i have diablo 2 in the box. nobody played 1
>>737626953>Not turning the first floor into your housing
>>737626323How about the classic?
I want the opposite. 1 dungeon, infinite towns.
>>737635741They're decently rare, so its entirely possible to go a couple runs without seeing a single one.I got overconfident one time and ended up getting like 30 floors in without seeing one, I should've just brought one with me.Its meant to be a struggle to climb the tower, so don't feel to bad about having a rough start. Hell, for how much your rival likes to showboat, you never see him past the second floor.
>>737636690what the fuck do you do level 62-69?
>>737637012>Wizard's Keep and the city.Implying you don't already get strong enough in the Wizard's Keep due to all the magical loot to clear out the Chaos Mines and grind out the fuckers there.
>>737637012Wizard's Pocket Dimension, duh
>>737626323the vidya industry has been in stasis since mid 00sInnovation is no longer profitable
>>737626323Name even one game
>>737637012grind :)
>>737637294Din's Curse
>>737628925So cyberpunk or any other sci fi RPG?
>>737626691You've got it backwards. The demons came BECAUSE there are humans (food) nearby.All the humans did wrong was build a church with multiple underground floors that accidentally lead all the way down to a massive cave system that accidentally connects with hell itself.
>>737635968What games other than like morrowind let you set up a home basically anywhere you want, even in a dungeon?
>>737639765Pretty sure there isn't a single tall building in cyberpunk where you can go shoot your way through all the floors
