What does each game actually do better than the other /v/?
BotW>exploration>progression>story>dungeon gameplay>opening & tutorialTotK>mechanics>side characters>bosses>dungeon theming>ending & final boss
>>737629325First game had better progression and exploration. It had the climbing and stamina systems that melded with the map towers and topography to give you a curated exploration experience across the whole game world, plus setpieces and the four main towns and Divine Beasts. It was brilliant. Second game didn't really reach this same peak, it just copypasted the map with... a few changes? I'm still not sure how we were supposed to interact with Hyrule's surface level in TotK, most of the climbing is gone, trivialized by the skyview towers, or spoiled by the first game.First game also had amazing progression and power scaling. The four champion powers were all stupid OP, and full-power Link with all of the abilities, armour, set bonuses, etc. is unstoppable. It feels amazing because you start with nothing, then slowly cobble it all together in pieces by exploring and gathering it all, and you have the Lynels and Guardians as direct indicators for how high up the "ladder" you've climbed.TotK had better story, characters, and powers. The whole Demon King Ganondorf arc fit so well and felt like the tale that they always wanted to tell. I ascribe to the theory that TotK was the game the devs set out to make, but higher-ups were displeased at how long it was taking, so they forced them to ship something prematurely. I never believed the tech demo accusations until I played TotK. The story is so well-realized, like it's the other half of BotW and the first game's story could have been a small section of the whole game. Like te game was literally cut in half and split into two packages.
>>737629530First time ever I agree to 99.99% of this, great job anon
I'll get the second game when I finish the first
>>737629530I agree everywhere but the side characters. I'd say those are more even. I think the Champions are better than the Sages, but Purah is better in Totk.
the triforce is just the star of david zelda is jewish
>>737634927I'd wait a bit before playing the second one. Alot of the times it feels like you're just playing BOTW again instead of a sequal, so if you jump in immediately after finishing BOTW you run the risk of getting burnt out faster.
>>737635457I was going to put them on par for characters, but TotK introduced several new characters I like such as Josha, Addison (AKA the sign guy), Mineru, Mattison (Hudson's daughter), and Penn; plus, many of the BotW characters get fleshed out more like Purah. I think the only character missing in TotK was Kass
>>737635746Yeah thats true. I think I just like the champions better, otherwise TOTK does have more fleshed out characters.
>>737635831I mean, my comparison makes both games look like they're on par yet I vastly prefer BotW overall.
>>737629325Tears of the Kingdom is the actual "finished" game they were working on from the start. This is obvious in the fact that less of its shit is obviously placeholders and that they actually use the fucked up arm that's in the concept art. The downside is that this is made by the guy who made Skyward Sword, so a fully developed game isn't necessarily a good thing or even necessarily a game that feels complete.Breath of the Wild is a placeholder made to hit the Wii U sunset and Switch launch in about 1-2 years with whatever assets they already had on hand (Presumably the overworld and barely enough content for a vertical slice, which is why all of the game's good parts (plateau, eventide, hyrule castle) are vertical slices), using tactics that can only be described as a content mill, with the obvious upside being that it focuses almost entirely on the output of that content mill and the vertical slices with none of the bullshit that people got sick of over the past 17 years of Zelda.BotW is an ascended placeholder, TotK is finished but the design is also worse.
BotW was Nintendo's first attempt at a modern open world game and they arguably made one of the best video games of all time.Their 2nd attempt, TotK, shows Nintendo's steps to improve content, dungeons, combat, boss battles, emergent gameplay, exploration and rewards.Things are looking good. We're approaching video game perfection here. Nintendo are close to making their magnum opus.
>>737636180BotW is more complete and cohesively designed of a game than TotK is. TotK just bloated the fuck out of what was already a strong formula. Even if you played TotK first, the exploration and sense of discovery falls apart due to the poor design choices of the game (as well as some of the overworld changes leading to a less immersive environment). TotK feels like an elaborate fan mod of BotW.
>>737629530The only thing I disagree with is dungeons, I found them better in TotK in all ways, not just in theming.
>>737636443Nah, TotK makes BotW feel like a rough first draft. Both games are incredible though.
>>737636617Well I respectfully disagree
>>737636657>I respectfully disagreeWhere the fuck do you think you are? Reddit?
>>737636736Oh sorry, let me rephrasenigger nigger nigger
>>737629530TotK is better in every category except opening & tutorial.
>BotW is a tech demo/placeholder/rough draft>TotK is the finished product because they worked on despawning vehicles for 6 years
>>737636797That's more like it. BotWfags got spanked by TotKchads.
Honestly BotW and TotK of the same coin. BotW is a more lean clean cut, 8/10, game but a little bland. TotK is a smorgasbord of some 9-10/10 highs and 6/10 lows.
Least to most divisive 3D Zelda game.1. OoT2. MM3. TP4. WW5. BotW6. TotK7. SSIs this accurate /v/?
>>737636443I didn't say that TotK felt more complete or cohesively designed, just that it was what they had likely originally set out to make, and that BotW was an intermission in development so that they could get a game out on time to avoid completely ruining their credibility with the Wii U.
>>737637518>TotK is what they originally set out to makeI don't see it. Obviously, the games have a lot in common but the experience playing them is just too different. BotW was clearly leaning into minimalism deliberately, it was a deliberate design choice to avoid having most mechanics that would traditionally be found in an RPG (or even in a survival game) so the focus would be on world traversal and discovery above all else. TotK shifts this design towards creativity and "emergent gameplay" instead, as the developers saw how players interacted with BotW's physics engine and tried to lean into that when introducing the ultrahand mechanic.IMO, TotK ends up playing worse because of this design shift. The player has to gather more resources across multiple resource categories constantly, tethering their engagement with the fun mechanics to tedium, while the traversal itself is les immersive and (subjectively) less engaging. The balance of the game goes out of whack quickly once the players figured out how to make hover bikes.Yes, TotK is on paper a "BotW 1.5", but in design they took a different direction and it plays worse.
couldn't even finish totk without getting bored, and now three years later years later i'm contemplating starting another playthrough of botw rather than going back and finishing totk
>>737638047I eventually finished it but yeah, TotK was a slog.I've replayed BotW thrice (one of those was after playing TotK too), BotW is so much better designed it's not even funny
>>737637423Switch TotK with SS because nobody played Skyward Sword.
>>737638047I like replaying BotW for the Master Trials alone.
I love Kass!
>>737631715>TotK had better storyNot in a million years.
>>737629530For all the shit I give ToTK, this post is almost accurate (ToTK did not have better side characters, Kass > all).Most of them don't matter though, because>MechanicsAs compelling as gmod on switch is, there is zero friction or challenge to justify the emergent gameplay and they never figured out how to like they did with BotW>bossesBoth games bosses aren't particularly amazing>Dungeon themingThis is fair>Ending and final bossThe games last hour, even if it is solid (minus the asspull at the end), does not make up for the rest of the game being so bad.
>>737636181Eldin ring is basically better botw and that's just worse dark souls
>>737641768Kassfaggotry aside, I actually agree with your points and prefer playing BotW over TotK's slogfest any day.
>>737629325Tears has more caves and grottos, plus weapon fusion and BotW doesn't have non Zelda building shit. I'd rather replay BotW if I was forced to chose.
i tried to go back and play botw and finish it but man i fell off again, its just not a good game. even with mods to fix the durability shit
>>737637423SS is probably 3rd since I think it is generally disliked where as everything else is more split
i will use this thread to ask my question.i already finished both a few times already, but should i replay totk or botw with the dlc (i never played the dlc)i'm stuck because i really love both
>>737642271botw+dlc, easily
>>737641623Any post claiming ToTK has a good story, let alone a better one than BotW, is pure bait. I don't even like BotW that much, but I can recognize that out of everyone who suffered from ToTK, people who actually liked BotW suffered the worst, and posts that try to claim that it has a better story is just trying to get (you)'s. Do not give them attention. It is not their sincere opinion, but even if it were, it is not worth engaging, you can't engage with someone who believes that. Yes, I get the irony of me saying this.>>737641870On the bright side, if you were forced to play one or the other, both games can be beaten very quickly. >>737642271Majora's Mask
>>737642271Just realized you said you didn't do the DLC, in that case, the Kass lover in me has to recommend that because it doubles the Kass content in the game and delivers a more satisfying conclusion to the games overarching themes and narrative than the base game. Also the challenge trials make the most of the games mechanics and demonstrate that BotW shines when limitations are placed on players to overcome.
>>737641623It wasn’t even written by Nintendo.
>>737638047as someone with checklist autism totk felt miserable.the map was like 2 times bigger, but there weren't double the things to find.in botw i would find new armor very often, it happened so rarely in totk in comparison. the underground was just unnecessarily big i think
>>737642334>>737642428>>737642575botw it is then!
>>737642856The Depths was so pointless I really do wonder why they even added it to the game
>>737644192Wasn’t it added at the very end of the game’s development?
>>737644469I don't think there's any evidence that it was, it just wasn't shown off publicly in any promotional material prior to release. I think they just wanted to keep it a surprise.
