>"My wings... my heart... no longer... beat..."
>>737630724i kinda miss my dota2 phase, but seeing the current state of the game doesn't entice me to try out the latest version
See a doctor?
>OD threadObligatory post
>>737630724What's his name again?
>>737630724WE GOT YOUR NUMBER!>What comes after two?
>>737631737Outsourced Developer
>>737630724They call me the Terror from the Barrier.They call me the Snowball from Cobalt.But you may call me Tusk!
>Time grinds even mountains to dust
SUBMIT TO THE EMPIRE OF BONE
>>737630902This.
>>737630724>The sign...is...a subtle...joke....
>>737630724>Time to fill the void that is my hunger
>>737630902>>737635482Completely genuine question, what's wrong with the game now?
>>737637857Inmates run the asylum now, the more well-adjusted people have since stopped playing and moved onto other things. League has also suffered the same fate, but to a lesser degree since they still have a very strong esports presence and thus more normies.
Dota's atmosphere is simply unparalleled. Valve nailed every single hero's design and voice work.
>>737630724>removed facets>also removed the always changing innate name for ODsoul subtracted
>>737638863OUTHOUSE DEMOLISHER.THEIR SHITTERS I'LL SHATTER, THEIR DREAMS OF DUMPING I'LL DESTROY.
>>737635324too soon
>>737639416THAT SHARP PAIN YOU FELT WAS MY SPHINCTER.
>>737630724I really like how comically over the top they went with the voice lines of the "edgy" looking heroes>That sharp pain you just felt was my intellect
>>737637857It's the exact same game its been since 2014, boomers just cant keep up
>No hells. No heavens. Only this...
>"My words enter the mind, but not the ear."kino
For me? Oh, you know. The best in the genre. Heroes of Newerth.
>>737639698>everyone has a courier now>same game as 2014w/e you say
to this day i still randomly quote some of the voice lines in my task while doing mundane tasks>vacuuming the floor>A MOVE TO MY ADVANTAGE>washing the dishes>RUNNING WATER>taking a shit>WE BLOW HOT AND COLD>eating>AHHHHH FRESH MEAT
>>737638141the most retarded post ive read in a while, i dont think you realize just how stupid you are so im gonna summarize it for you>start off with random fedora tier metaphor>goes on to affirm that some abstract perception that exist in his head is the cause of the games decline>then implies that a game which is in a worst state than dota i somehow better off for the same nonsensical reason>finally proceeds to make the connection that the quality of a game is somewhat related to the esport sceneim willing to bet that you are the biggest sperg that ever walked the earth and as such have zero self awareness but in case you do you should reflect on the stupid ass post that you did today and feel embarrassment for at least a month so it doesnt happen again
>>737631737Ousted Devolver
>>737640420actual autism i understood that dude's post fine and he's right
>>737640243There's a chance you might be autisticI do that too with my friend group
>>737638141I have a friend who went back to playing Dota after a seven year hiatus and his actual mental state has deteriorated significantly within a month of doing so>short temper is back>immediately fucks off if people aren't doing anything with an arbitrary 5 minute timeframe>trying to constantly get us to go back and play Dota with him>wins don't even mean anything to him but losses make him sperg out
>>737637857>come back after 7 years>five bazillion new mechanics>"well I'll be placed in low elo and re-learn the game no worries">low elo is smurf land>low elo accounts are actually sold for real money>try and communicate with team to get a better grasp>"Чтo зa"You realize this is a hard sell for most people?
>>737640528>>737640764he said "the game is bad because the palyerbase changed" in the most retarded way imaginable, you are as stupid as he is if you think that's the reason why the game is bad, anyone that cries a game is bad because "people are toxic" is a fucking moron
Have stopped playing this shit when they ruined Techies.
stopped last patch when they railroaded neutral item enchants and nerfed absolutely eveything without adding anything in new return
>>737637857Nothing. It's the same game as it was ten years ago, just better than ever as Valve keeps on updating it to keep things fresh. Reworked skills, new skins, regular events, new heroes are fun, old ones are optimized (thank fuck, PA was atrocious a few years ago, and Omniknight was useless - both fixed), even the map is updated.Dota just gets collateral hate because of the Steam controversies around Rothschild, game itself is perfect.
>>737630724>We've a quarry to settle
>>737639698>t.Campo Santo dev
>>737637857I came back after 4400 hours and I just reached 5,600 hours this last year and a half. I climbed from Archon to Divine 2, and I used to play when Dota was in Beta. It is MUCH different now. Heroes don't feel as unique anymore imho, and now there is ALWAYS a way out of situations, and this game is not so one sided anymore for better or for worse. Dota 2 has always stuck to a STRICT no concede rule unlike HoN or LoL and have taken that into their design philosophy. Almost any and every game can be won or brought back from the brink. If your team is down 30-40 kills, you can still come back. High ground advantage is on another fucking level because they hand out fortifications like candy now, and the creeps are invulnerable, and the tower shoots a 5 shot spread. It is all so..... "balanced"? Yet, it also has a twinge of blandness that I can't quite put my finger on. Everything feels so statistically balanced and... well... it doesn't feel as unique anymore. Feels like LoL in a way. If you want a more OG dota feel, play HoN.
>>737640905I can not put into words exactly how much I despise russians
>15 years ago
>>737644212>play HoNit ain't dead?quick search and I saw there's a beta for HoN2?
>>737641303Ok? Just say that you're butthurt someone is shitting on your game then, retard. Dota has only gotten worse because it's a feedback loop of niggers being niggers.
IT'S A DISASTAH
I'll take a crack addict!
Have you ever heard of the expression "Lame as a nigger's baby"?
I will not reinstall dotard
>>737645752I miss him, haven't watched any dota esports since he left.
>>737637857League-style design, hero's used to have a clearly defined niche with strength and weaknesses and the whole game was built around compensating for/amplifying these explicit designsOD is actually an amazing example because his is so flawed that after trying to league-ify him by giving him survivability for free he still needs like 2-3 items not to get stronger but to deal with the issues in his kitYet we all know OD is always giga-broken uber cancerI actually went from playing Dota2 for 16 hours every day to quiting because of the "I'm braaawlin!" changes and switching to League for years until switching back to Dota2 this year so it's interesting to see in which ways they are making the game more like LoL and the disconnect between what i feel with actually having played LoL for years and how the Dota2 community feels the game is turning into League because the overlap is only 50% or soIronically a lot of Dota2's issues would be solved by looking at League for inspiration, it's just that somehow they are copying the ONE thing they shouldn't, design, instead of copying elements like how streamlined it isItems are a good example, Dota2 items are obviously much better designed but in League i instinctively know in which scenarios I'd want to buy that item but in Dota2 it never really feels like i bought the "correct" item.There is a lot of mental "busybody" work like that in the game
>>737646589BROOLING is unironically better for the game than 80 minute rat games.
>>737630724They really dropped the ball on character lines in Deadlock compared to Dota 2.
>>737646706I disagree.
>>737646706deadlock is reddit incarnate, what'd you expect
>>737646630>BROOLING is unironically better for the game than 80 minute rat games.That wasn't a real thing, the issue with "brawlin" is that they made it so nothing you did actually mattered, you had no agency and there was zero decisionmaking except "go mid at 10 minutes and chase after whoever is on screen"I actually still played for a couple of months after they ruined the game because i found i could still have fun by one-tricking InvokerThere was no strategy, clever decision making, farming efficiency in the game anymore so i couldn't get my enjoyment from that but i could enjoy the skill expression from playing a hero's kit as best as i couldIn fact that's why i switched to League because that entire game is build around that style of fun from skill expression, with a defacto 1v1 laning phase where you're non-stop skill testing and a streamlined enviroment pushing you naturally towards clean teamights unlike Dota2's randomly running around the map with little directionThere is still some strategy (roaming, rotating around the map, tracking jungler/FoW) but it's not built around that like Dota2 used to be (and currently "mostly" is about once again)Also not having a surrender button is retarded, the Dota2 community is retarded about it the same way the League community are being retards regarding voice chatI've played thousands of games with the surrender button, you know how many times an actually "winnable" game was surrendered?1 time, and the fact that i remembered it should say enoughIn fact that one change will probably revive the game because how stressful it is knowing you're stuck for 40 minutes every time you press the "play" buttonIt's why everyone is so on edge and scared to make a single bad play, which is what a surrender button fixesYou don't even have to use it, just it being there helps, pretty much every single game that ends in a surrender is either a 15 minute stomp or you got teamwiped and the enemy can push to end
>>737630902I just don't have the time or energy to re-learn the game anymore. tried a couple of times and ti was awful.
>>737645752removing an iconic voice line because of wrong-think was wild
Is Windrunner still good
>>737645752>oh oh! now you dun guffed - you said the no-no word!can't believe this kindergarden wrongthink shit ever caught on
>>737647898ok herald
>>737648606Tobi didn't even get got for using no-no words, at most he made an apology for that one and nothing happened. Instead it was being metoo'd by some ewhore that ended his career, compounded with the rest of his jealous organization selling him out. Truly foids are more poisonous than words.
Dota was always best when it was leaning into RTS based resource management. You had a carry, the carry would be dogshit early on, your allies raise him up to crush late-game. If you wanted 1v1 metashittery, that was what midlane was for, otherwise it was two teams fighting over resources to mount a proper campaign on the structures. It was about overall strategy, with teamfights/ganks/kills deliberately being only a balanced part of a larger structure - i.e. if you didn't want to play a multiplayer game that was KDA obsession, you played a MOBA like DOTA.That basic concept was lost years ago. A few TIs had overly cautious games that went on forever and the answer to this was to directly change the structure of the game instead of just the obvious solution of making the map itself become more hostile as game time increased. Apparently a game like fucking Worms could account for games going too long, but the genius Icefrog couldn't conceive of such a notion.The game is now needlessly complex with 12 million mechanics yet it all boils down into just teamfighting constantly because that's better for E-sports. Really, that's the simple observation - E-Sports motivated the devs to ensure it was more watchable than actually playable, and the constant need to balance around competitive meant enduring problems like pubstomping heroes always dominating the casual meta.It also has the enduring problem in that it has lasted too long and so maintaining it means constantly adding or removing things just to "shake it up". This means even if Dota theoretically arrived at the perfect patch, external factors would demand that perfection be destroyed. A game with mentality behind it can't be worth playing long term, it's just not possible.Also the cosmetics made it a visual cluttered mess. That goes without saying.
>>737649039what happened to statsman bruno?
>>737646589>Dota2 items are obviously much better designed but in League i instinctively know in which scenarios I'd want to buy that item but in Dota2 it never really feels like i bought the "correct" item.You're shitting me right? DOTA item selection is a lot better than leagues by the mere fact most of DOTA's most impactful items are active and require thought into when you should purchase them. Most League items boil down to "How can I improve my AP/AD better?" and "How do I overload my kit with stacking passive effects?"There is nothing like Battlefury or BKB that has insane timing effects or even items like Lotus Orb for when you need to counter specific enemies on the other side. DOTA's items allow for a shitload more versatility and strategy based on a team comp, League is harder to build around that.
current dota feels like the dota wtf mod
>>737649913when you see someone crying fo the surrender option then it's not really worth reading the rest
>>737630724Why did his show fail? It had lore!
>>737644212They just rereleased it. Such a good vibe and feel. Damage feels more weighty.
>>737630724i havr 6500 hours and i quit in like 2018 or 2019 when they added jungle items. was it outlands update? whatever dota was better before they added hero talents, a courior for each player, and the cumback mechanics after that it went to shit
>>737639698it was better in 2014/2015. whenever they added the first cumnack mechanocs and hero talents is when they ruined the game
>>737651740Shut up, homo.
>>737649913Of course, that's why i specified that Dota2's design is much better, my issue is that a lot of items don't have much of an identity, the arbitrary stats distribution being a major culprit (just look at the changes to Drums)When do you buy MKB or BF? Not exactly a difficult questionBut when do you buy Daedalus? Finish Drums into Boots of Bearing or get Greaves? Ultimate Orb stat item A vs B? Falcon Blade (never felt good buying this item)?Keep in mind it's not the choice itself that is the issue, League only has a single Dota-like situational active item but you "just know" in which situations you buy it on e.g; and ADC despite them not being able to use the statsEul's Spirit on Ember is a good example of this, extremely situational yet it has a clear identity so you're never doubting when you need it
>>737651740Because instead of going through the interesting parts of the world or lore in each season it focused on the same crew through it all And we didn't even get to see a lot from their perspective, plus some lore changes
>>737652801I can see your point a bit clearer, but I dunno, from my experience I do prefer the more versatile nature of DOTA on when you get the items. Daedlus for me is a "Fuck you in particular" item when I am already snowballing, conversely, Drums into Boots or Greaves is a match dependent question rather than a strict item progression path. I just felt like in League I was going through the motions with the majority of items rather than in DOTA where I can tailor make my build based around the enemy team. Keep in mind, I play a lot of Pos 3/4 in DOTA and a lot of Top/Jungle in league so that may colour my perception.
>>737653020NTA but you’re both arguing the same side here, he’s just saying it’s frustrating in Dota because you’ll buy the “right” items but then your team doesn’t initiate (never get to use it, should’ve gone stats or blink or something that’s always useful) or the enemy goes some batshit retarded direction and you steamroll without effort. There’s never a time in LoL where you really don’t know what you should do, which is why it’s a much shallower game.
>>737653280Yeah fair enough, my reading comprehension is pretty shot 5 AM in the morning.
>>737638141These are just meaningless platitudes and don't actually address>what is wrong with the gameAt best you have attempted (poorly) to describe why the game went wrong, but not what's actually wrong with itTerrible post. Apply yourself
>>737637857>I haven't played in a year, how about I just have fun and play a game or 2? Oh they reworked half the heroes, the map, and the basic xp and damage calculation and you have to re-learn it again.>I'll just pick one of my usual favorite heroes- it's banned because now every game has randomly 40-60% of the hero pool banned>Okay I'll pick my other favorite hero- oh wait they reworked Lion into a hard carry and you have to farm right click items and crit for him and the playstyle is completely 180 degreet to what I liked about him. Also he is dogshit now but the next patch he is buffed to broken then back to dogshit.Last thing tied me to this game is playing techies, because he felt unique and fun. Since then it just feels boring. The new heroes are safe and very basic kit wise.
>>737655131there is quite literally nothing stopping you from playing old lionin fact doing otherwise is retarded
>>737655412I was making a random example you retard. Lion didn't get reworked.But there were quite a few examples where a hero is labeled as toxic and they are just keep reworking it until reddit shuts the fuck about it.Tinker is the most recent example.Just make a new fucking hero instead of turning old hero concepts into generic shit because you don't know how to balance it
>>737641303NTA and never cared about the "toxic" argument since it stinks of reddit but the game did in fact go to shit because of the playerbase with part of the fault also attributed to the matchmaking system.Take a population of parrot cucks lobotomized by streamer and esports garbage and combine it with a stupid algorithm that's deciding when you win or lose and you essentially get any post 2010 competitive game, it's not limited to Dota 2.The difference between playing WC3 on Battlenet and anything Dota 2 was insane, the problems with LAN lobbies are more severe when there's heavy skill imbalances, not to mention not being able to reconnect if you dc or leavers in general but overall the quality of the games on average was higher, I'd have probably one in 6 or 7 compared to Dota 2 where it was one in 50 or more.Matchmaking and metaslaves: stomp or get stomped. "But anon just don't play competiti-" lmao impyling quick matches were that much different. You have no idea what you missed if you got into these games after 2010.To this day this is the only game I quit strictly because of the playerbase.
>>737640243>Ho Ho Ha Ha >ShrapnelLives in my fucking head,.
>>737655638it's a retarded complaint because it mostly only applies to tinker and techies and the generic shit is mostly with nudota heroes being the most boring shit ever and anyone who was given wave clear and a bunch of gibs not reworks
>>737645752>The final solution
>>737640243I occasionally have in my head>Ah ScepterAt the least relevant times. It's always AA for some reason too.
>>737630724>The stone has reached my heart...
