Every remake/remaster ends up being worse than the original. At first I thought this only applied to modern games, but /v/ has opened my eyes to a lot of things over the years.Even the two strongest examples I can think of:>Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf GreenI thought was superior to Red/Blue in every way, but /v/ had a thread earlier this year that started to prove me wrong. I would have loved to see that discussion go further.>Resident Evil 1 RemakeI thought the consensus was 100% the remake is better. Then I started seeing threads here and there, very rarely, with reasons why the original is better. I never checked out those threads but now I'm really curious.If those two remakes aren't as good as the originals, then nothing is.Anyway, discuss or whatever.
>>737659107FF1 & 2 on GBA are the definitive way to play those games. FFT remakes (both of them) are also really good
>>737659107It wouldn't strictly be 100% better depending how you feel about the last section, and if you like the esoteric nature of the original, but I much prefer metroid zero mission over 1
>>737659209No they aren’t, anon. The GBA remakes change the battle system the original games were designed around.
>>737659461>nooo you are supposed to lose str if you use magicNobody cares gaylord this is a game where you can one shot most bosses with instant kill spells
>>737659461they're good changes which is the point of re-whatevers
The good remake is the one you enjoy, if you play both metroid from the NES and Zero mission, you'll see ZM has lots of QoL features that make the game lees of a chore, however, other may say it took the charm of getting lost into a planet from the original.
>>737659107Why do you want a remake? If it was good just play it.
>>737659107Eh, FRLG is for the most part just better. I would prefer if the visuals were closer to HGSS's kanto, but it tidies up the rough edges of RB while adding improvements from gen 2/3. Sevii islands also exist for something extra to do in the post-game although they're mediocre. In total being a retard that has played gen 1 more times than I can count I will usually go for FRLG.On that note HGSS is also good. I think most people preferring GSC are doing so for purely GBC aesthetic reasons, but HGSS also looks good in its own way.ORAS blows major ass though never let anyone tell you otherwise. BDSP also seems pointless although I haven't played it.
>>737659107Kirby SSUltraREmakePokemon HG/SS
>>737660000Quads of truth
I just wish pokemon would use the best version for the remakes.Gen 3 should be electric yellowGen 4 should be spirit crystal Gen 6 should be epsilon emerald
>>737661539>Gen 4 should be spirit crystalHGSS have crystal content with and far more.
>>737659209I love the visuals of gba's Dawn of Souls but FF1's postgame extra content is rancid dogshit. is FF2 the same way?
>>737659107>/v/ had a thread earlier this year that started to prove me wrongBelieving the /v/dophiles was your first misstake.
>>737661745What do you mean? I loved the wind dungeon. The extra story in FF2 is retarded it’s just an excuse to use the other party members one more time
FRLG is obviously better than the originals. it's not even close.
>>737662079My memories of that final 40 floor dungeon in 1 is getting thrown to a variety of random maps ranging from tedious (like the dwarf items fetch quest cave) or plain boring from lack of difficulty where the monsters offer no challenge beyond mid-early game characters and then they unload a 30k hp brick shithouse at the end of the dungeon and call it a day. It's designed in a very lazy way compared to the base game which I really enjoyed
>>737659107There was an old meme that Gen I's code was held together by duct tape and wishes. I played every Pokemon game as it came out. FRLG is the better experience. Prefering Red and Blue is either nostalgia or love of its charming shitty factor.
I remember buying LeafGreen when it came out assuming it was a new game and being beyond disappointed that it was just gen 1 again. I don't remember how I heard about it, but my friends and I in middle school all assumed it would be a new game. It was also the reason several of my friends dropped Pokemon entirely, as pretty much everyone thought>the help system>teachy TV>item cutscene when using potions and rare candies outside of battle>TM cutscenes>happiness evolutions not working until postgame>Sevii Islands being pretty boring and having extremely little content that worked in singleplayer properlywere all stupid as fuck.
>>737660001>BDSP also seems pointless although I haven't played it.It's the worst quality remake in the series, but it is at least not worse than Diamond and Pearl IMO. The same bugs are present, the same dumb design decisions pre-Platinum are present, but it at least is a faithful remake and they didn't even censor the bikinis. But it was an obviously phoned-in cash grab with zero heart or soul put into it.
>>737660000Absolutely based take paired with some nice digits.
>>737661539*Mind Crystal, you already got Soul Silver
>>737659107SM64:DSJust too bad the DS didn't have an analog stick
>>737659107How is FRLG not superior in every way? Don’t tell me it’s actual nostalgiafaggots trying to push that. FRLG is held back in a couple areas solely because it’s trying to be too faithful to the originals but it’s still far better than them
>>737659107RE2 is a good remake, not to replace the original, but as a good modern take on it. Both versions are really great.
>>737662458gen 1 was better for its time than FRLG when it released. People who didn't experience the absolute boom of gen 1 and 2 will never understand the cultural impact it had.
>>737659107>I thought was superior to Red/Blue in every way, but /v/ had a thread earlier this year that started to prove me wrongqrd? the only valid issues I can see are less wacky sprites and some annoying abilities
>>737659107>but /v/ had a thread earlier this year that started to prove me wrong.weakest fag to ever post kwaboty
>>737659107Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga DXFire Emblem EchoesOcarina of Time 3D
>>737663727Not him.If I'm playing with the Gen 1 dex, it feels like a disservice to not play with Gen 1 mechanics. Some differences you'll feel every battle (the crit rate, the old stat rules) and that would be enough, but the game is different in a way that's just entertaining to leverage in general, and FRLG loses out on that.
>>737663543>but as a good modern take on itDoes imply it's not really good.
>>737663993no it does not. I get what what you mean that "modern take" is a buzz word with a bad connotation, but it's actually a really good game.
>>737664417>no it does not.Are you advocating for modern gaming as if it is any good?
>>737659107Star Ocean 2
>>737659107>I thought the consensus was 100% the remake is better. Then I started seeing threads here and there, very rarely, with reasons why the original is better. I never checked out those threads but now I'm really curious.REmake butchered a lot of stuff from the original. people who never played the OG kept declaring it was a perfect remake and it got pushed for sometime. People are pushing back. It has less choices, the expanded areas slow the game down, they destroyed the characters of Chris and Jill making them weird autists and removing iconic lines from the original. It's quite a bad remake that benefited from a lot of ignorant people pushing a narrative.
>>737664490>>>/vr/not everything needs to be retro to be good, you are allowed to enjoy both. Most video games are trash, 2019 RE2 is good.
>>737659107>Then I started seeing threads here and there, very rarely, with reasons why the original is betterThat's because of me. I made a few bait posts a while ago claiming the original RE1 was better, and since I'm the only person, the simulation copied that viewpoint onto some NPCs. That kind of thing happens sometimes
>>737664650You can see the devolution of Chris in REmake which was completely out of step with the portrayal of his character in the original 1996, Code Veronica and the original character art.
Nier Replicant is the only remake i've played that I can say with certainty justifies its existence.It's not perfect by any means but it's about as good as a Remake can get.
>>737664793The removal of color and differentiation in every room. Every choice in REmake was for the worse.
>>737664665>not everything needs to be retro to be goodAnd yet most of what is good nowadays is older than 10 years and it shows even further due being easier to access>Most video games are trash, 2019 RE2 is good.Sorry but that sounds like a bias
>>737659107Most of the remakes in the Tales of series are either better or just as good as the originals
>>737663949>Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga DXPeople hated this one when it first came out
>>737664970>Sorry but that sounds like a biasI think you're just retarded, but it's all good
>>737659107EVERY remake is complete and utter DOGSHITbtw I don't play video games
>>737665097>ad homran out of arguments or anything?
>>737665334>sound like biasyou're not arguing anything. you're legit just retarded.
>>737665509>more ad homYou're the one actually arguing, except you ran out it seems
>>737659107hgss, it even keeps some of the game's faults while elevating the rest. the mentality of the dev in charge was also the correct one
>>737665648>gen 2 remakes>extremely well regarded and played to this day>gen 3 remakes>eeeeeh....
>>737665624I'm calling you out on that you're not making any point, you're just sounding dumb.
>>737661245>Kirby SSUltratotal dogshit that ruined the soundtrack
why bother with threads like this? No matter how you answer, OP will just say "nu-uh."It's like having a logical debate with a toddler.
>>737665749Proof that pokemon fans are fucking morons. The gen 3 remakes are probably the best games these fags will ever get.
>>737665843>I'm calling you out on that you're not making any pointThe statement: >>737663993Your start of the argument: >>737664417Your attempt to cope/save face from it: >>737665097
>>737662640>and they didn't even censor the bikinisthey censored other dumb shit
>>737666072Your statement, A implies B. I say it does not.You didn't make any argument to back it up you just said it did. How dumb are you?
>>737666103Oh and here's a really hilarious error - the chick that sells you mulch in Gen 4 now sales berries in BDShitPiss. The problem is they didn't change any of her dialogue, so she implies she mixed her berries with feces kek
>>737659107Ys Oath in Felghana is the exemplar of remakes because it isn't a limp attempt at changing a game that was already good and loved, it was trying to fix a game that was total shit and absolutely succeeded. Note that no one does that anymore because it doesn't get media attention or promise of big bucks.
>>737666072You imply modern take implies badYou imply I advocate for modern gaming being good in generalYou imply that me calling most games trash is a biasit's all baseless conjectures, you're dumb as hell for trying to argue this
>>737665952>The gen 3 remakes are probably the best games these fags will ever get.>3D movement that adds nothing and its sort of there>Mega = gimmick>Transition screens now... somehow>Built over only base versions instead the final version like HG/SS did>The Battle Frontier project has just begun!>BF is replaced by a copy paste from X&Y content>No gym leader rematch>Contests are not reworked and fleshed out but somehow more shallow>Game corner removal>Changes from the original game (Mauville city is different, the whole Rayquaza postgame sidequest replaced by a glorified staircase and plot... somehow)>FREE LATIOS/LATIAS>Poor balance in maingame overall (if transfer a mega from the demo (which lots of players did) you breeze through the game))>Secret bases still limited despite minor improvements>Mega gimmick + Soar gimmick = an even more redundant gimmick for transportation>Only real addition was PSS>PSS is fucking dead on 3DS nowORAS was a fucking dissapointment. Did I mention its carts also have a timebomb?
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>>737659107Xenoblade Definitive Edition is better than the original due to the improved quest tracking alone, on top of every other QoL improvements>B-but they made the JRPG charaters look like anime and not weird potato people!Yeah, that's great.
>>737666314>You imply modern take implies badNo, I state it. There's a reason why modern gaming is filled with issues.>You imply I advocate for modern gaming being good in generalI don't imply; I asked if you were going to. Which you took offense of it and relied on ad hom proving you have no real argument.>You imply that me calling most games trash is a biasI imply you liking a game damaged by modern sensibilities clouds your judgement and makes you assume that modern gaming is any good just because... you like one specific or more games from it.
>>737659107No, the very idea of a remake is antithetical. You can't rewrite LOTR and claim you did it better than Tolkien, same is valid for other media such as movies and video games.
The only games that get remade are games so good and legendary that their name alone sells the remake. So it's natural for the remakes to be shit in comparison because that kind of greatness only happens randomly and can't be replicated. It's like the paradox of remakes.
>>737666512>No, I state it.It's the same thing. You're implying that what you say is true.>proving you have no real argument.There is nothing to argue, you haven't brought up any argument. I disagree with your conjectures.>I imply you liking a game damaged by modern sensibilities clouds your judgementSee, you weren't making any arguments, but was implying that my takes were bad on the basis of them being bad. Or put differently, because I like one modern game, then my judgement is clouded and therefore I can't be objective about said game. It's circular logic. It's a really weak line of reasoning on your part. That is why I'm calling you out for being dumb.
>>737666914>It's the same thing.No, it isn't. Implication = non-explicit, Statement = explicit. They're night and day.
>>737666986If you make a statement, then you're explicitly making a statement and imply that its true.
>>737666914>There is nothing to argue, you haven't brought up any argument.Then why engage and taking it personal, doesn't checks out.>Or put differently, because I like one modern game, then my judgement is clouded and therefore I can't be objective about said game. It's circular logic. It's a really weak line of reasoning on your part. That is why I'm calling you out for being dumbThe 6th generation disproves you; had issues, not as many as current gaming and yet the output of it that was put to the test of time proved that period was objectively good. Modern gaming's games struggles with surviving the first year after their release. It's a strong line, you just don't like it because advocate for an inferior period.
>>737667084>then you're explicitly making a statement and imply that its true.>implyno, that's up in the air and irrelevant in front of a statement. You're making a fool's asssumtion
Yeah, it's a phenomenal game.
>>737661539How are they going to get extra shekels from two separate copies? Won't you think of the shareholders and corporations?
>>737667127Your line of reasoning is weak, you imply things, take them as factual, make no point in arguing for it, yet seem to think that you've done so when called out on it, taking the piss, and gets upset when I call you out for that as well.And here, again, you seem to think that I think that modern gaming is good. I have no idea how you cooked that up.>The 6th generation disproves youno it doesn't because I'm not defending modern gaming, and you're again dumb as hell for thinking that.
>>737667178If you make a statement, you imply that its factual. you can try to back-paddle with some monthy python and try to be an ironic troll all you want but you're just dumb, and so am I for wasting time on you.
>>737667483>If you make a statement, you imply that its factualYou need to learn to separate objective statements from opinions.>>737667418>you imply things, take them as factualTry to make a point about modern gaming being good objectively, I've been waiting for a long reply chain but you only relied on ad hom>no it doesn't because I'm not defending modern gamingHence why I began asking if you were going to do that to begin; modern gaming won't end up well in the end.
>>737667625>You need to learn to separate objective statements from opinions.they are two separate concepts, and when you make a statement you're doing both. Your 4th grade level understanding of English is not my problem.>Try to make a point about modern gaming being good objectivelyNo, because I believe that most modern games are trash. You wanting to pigeon hole me into a position just shows how off base you are.>Hence why I began asking if you were going to do that to begin; modern gaming won't end up well in the end.I couldn't care less about what you think about that lol
A lot of games don't need remakes in the first place which is why they should be seen as lazy and lame cashgrabs. Even if they're done well. For the few games that are in dire need of remakes the difference would probably be so stark that it would be more apt to call them reimaginings at that point which are perfectly fine and serviceable since they would have little resemblance to the original game at that point. But those can also be bad if they are only revived because its a recognizable ip to slap on trendy modern mechanics onto. Honestly the best thing they could have done for games back then is to port them to other consoles instead of doing remakes, it was very relevant pre-emulation days and even during>superior to Red/Blue in every wayI don't think so. Red/blue just has bad ai, no run button, and inventory management sucks. Besides that the new features are more of sidegrades and any perceived gain over the originals also come at the cost of tarnishing the original's "soul", that is what the game was at its fundamental level as a new creation at point of inception. Also giovanni has a rhyhorn instead of a rhydon LOL>consensusChanges every time there's a new video essay. Best to disregard
>>737667754>they are two separate concepts, and when you make a statement you're doing both.Exactly. But you're treating them as if they're bound togheter.>No, because I believe that most modern games are trash.So you accept your claim came from bias over objectivity?>I couldn't care less about what you think about that lolTherefore you have no argument against. You shouldn't make a fuzz out it if so, let alone one to last this long. Godspeed
>>737667885>you're doing both.>Exactly.So you agree with me that you're making implications. Such a stupid hill to die on.>So you accept your claim came from bias over objectivity?Not at all. My claim was that 2019 RE2 is a good game. You have an inherent bias against modern games. I like far more retro games than modern games, so if anything my bias is against modern games. You have made no accurate claim to suggest that I have a bias toward modern games, and you not seeing that is again quite telling about what I presume is a two digit IQ.>Therefore you have no argument against.I'm not arguing against what you were asking. I'm calling you out for being stupid. Which you are.
>>737664940Isn't another argument for the og RE is that it was a lived in mansion and not a haunted mansion? Why would the rooms be color coded for the players convenience? The people who lived in it and built it really wanted a red hallway and a sickly green hallway?It's been a while since I played REmake but I don't recall getting lost much in the mansion, those rooms felt differentiated enough by the other elements that it didn't really need the color coding.That said, I don't mind either one but it is clearly a different tonal direction for each game overall. Wouldn't go the entire way and say for the worse.
>>737664940Colors became too kitsch. Another huge pain point of remakes, they are just appropriating what was relevant at another time to the present time, which will in turn also become outdated, at which point you can say that every game necessitates making remakes for it every few years. What is left of the game's identity at that point? Maybe they should really just start future-proofing games going forward, making them compatible with DLC "remake patches" that change everything about them to fit in with the current sensibilities every 5 years
>>737668107>So you agree with me that you're making implications.No.>Not at all. My claim was that 2019 RE2 is a good gameSounds like a bias to me; you liked that so you assume it's good.>You have an inherent bias against modern games.If the last decade didn't make you realize; a lot of people too and that's leaving aside if modern gaming has the benefit to be defended to begin with or worth defending. <----- this also doesn't mean I have a bias against it but you'll make that assumption>I'm not arguing against what you were asking. I'm calling you out for being stupid. Which you are.>Another ad homHence why you have no argument. You're simply not doing yourself any favours if you're trying to prove something.
>>737659461IMO the biggest grievance is that they are using the easy mode version of origins for dawn of souls. The classic system vs updated system is another debate entirely which isn't as straight forward
>>737659107Your pic is an objective upgrade to gen 1
>>737668524I honestly liked more the overworld sprites from the originals. Simple and aesthetic without the intention. The mons' sprites is the objective upgrade, you're right on that
>>737664834How come? And is the localization any better?
>>737668358>No.You agreed that making a statement is also to imply its validity, and you were making statements, but you don't see how that makes you also imply its validity. I mean you can pretend to troll all you want, but that's just stupid.>Sounds like a bias to me; you liked that so you assume it's good.If someone hates something categorically, but find one item in that set that is good, then that does not mean that they have a favorable bias toward that thing categorically. Again, you not seeing that is quite something.You lack substance, so you pretend to be trolling. it's all good.
>>737659107>but then I saw a thread on /v/lol
>>737668661>You agreed that making a statement is also to imply its validityThat's YOUR assumption. If you have something unclear simply ask and I will make a statement for you.>If someone hates something categorically, but find one item in that set that is good, then that does not mean that they have a favorable bias toward that thing categorically.But your mistake is assuming hate. The impression I get from you is that you seem to think that because you found a tiny nugget of gold (or had the perception of it) in a shitpile, you'd think said pile isn't that bad but won't commit to face the reality of it.
>>737668849no my mistake is wasting time on a retard on /v/. it's all good
>>737668917>more ad hom>now with hint of seetheGodspeed, anon. Godspeed
>>737669117Again, I'm not arguing modern gaming, I'm arguing your stupidity, and I've been backing up my reasoning behind that throughout the thread, so it's not really an ad hominem as much as me providing my reasoning as for why you're a dumbfuck.
>>737669117real though, sorry if I'm going too hard on you. don't really want to ruin your weekend.
>>737659107Grim Fandango Remastered is a straight upgrade over the original in every single way.
What I hate about remakes is how little effort they put bringing unused items, deleted material, concept art etc, they rather add new things and I dont like that. A remake should first add what the original creators couldnt because of time and budget.For example FF7 remake not adding Red XIII clones Indigo and Cobalt but padding the hell out of the game, adding bullsuit here and there. The style should also be respected wich doesnt happen in re2 for example, re1 at least made the creatures look similar.
>>737670262REmake does this with Lisa Trevor and people here shit on it for its inclusion.
>>737659107>Don't like the remade/revamped gameplay? We also repackaged the original PS2 version inside the gameLiterally that's all you have to do.
>>737659107LGFR were okay for the time, but pretty barebones nowadays as far as remakes go. It was basically a reason for you to be able to get Gen 1 and 2 mons.
>>737659107Kirby Super Star Ultra. That's it. Binding of Isaac Rebirth and CTR Nitro Fueled are almost there too, but you could debate their quality against the originals.
>>737659107If you would rather play https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bljP8W_gE1g&t=909s&pp=ygUKU2tvb2wgZGF6ZQ%3D%3D over https://youtu.be/XT9ujZosKzY?si=I6yQUgPJAfMEIKRK I'll think you're crazy
Metroid Prime Remastered
>>737672661Rebirth is dogass as a replacement for the original Isaac, it only comes into its own with a ton of the post-launch content bolted on (a lot of which winds up being chaff you wish you could un-unlock).
