Bosses you love that everyone else hates
Imagine being in love with your sissy baby brother, who also looks like your stepmother, who in turn looks like a female version of your father.
>>737662718I love it in concept. In practice it was a little too much. I felt similarly about Milenia.
>>737662718>I get summoned for Promised Consort Radahn >my host dies without a shield >I get summoned for Promised Consort Radahn >my host dies without a shield >I get summoned for Promised Consort Radahn >my host dies without a shield The ultimate rollshitter filter
>>737663201my experience is the exact opposite>I get summoned for Promised Consort Radahn>roll through everything and do all the damage>host can't shield build>can't hold the necessary aggro because I do too much damage>sometimes does NO damage>dies to the first combo they successfully aggro and tank rinse repeat
>>737662718Genuinely what is there to like?>Visual fucking mess>Overtuned damage>end combos>One really punishable move is his grab>shit story It’s the worst fromsoft final boss by a mile
>>737663442>It’s the worst fromsoft final boss by a mile
>>737662990It was the very last battle so I think it's fine to go all out at that point, it would have been more disappointing if he was just a throwaway boss like Nashandra or Moon Presence.
>>737663442Looks coolSounds coolFun to play once you learn the movesHard enough that beating him feeling genuinely cathartic >shit storyfromsoft fans when their headcanon turns out to be bullshit
>>737663658*feels
>>737663442>Visual fucking messThe visuals are beautiful, only really questionable or confusing one is the pillars of light which have a weird hitbox.>Overtuned damageNot really.>end combosThe boss not sucking is a good thing. >One really punishable move is his grabHe has a lot of openings.>shit storyProbably true, but I haven't thought about it. >worst final bossNot even close. He's competing against Gwyn, Manus(?), Nashandra, Soul of Cinder, Gael, Moon Presence, Orphan of Kos and Radagon/Elden Beast here. He is in fact arguably the best, but at least the third place behind Gael and Orphan.
>>737663936>only really questionable or confusing one is the pillars of light which have a weird hitbox.They fixed these to a detriment
>>737663442>>737663463He's not the final boss though, only the final boss of the DLC.
>>737664021Did they make the whole pillar a hitbox or something?
>>737663463SoC is one the better examples of player character turned boss I’ve seen in a game. He’s easy sure but that’s the only issue I’ve got with him. Overall the same level of quality as Gwyn.>>737663658You just want to a hard boss. Good news there’s harder stuff out there.>>737663936Honestly I’m speaking from my memory of him from release before he got nerfed. The clone attacks before actual attacks are just confusing and messy. The fact they damage and hit stun is what really pisses me off. Nioh 3 did this pre attack illusion gimmick better with Baba Nobuharu. Honestly though I should give promised consort another chance. I fucking hated Orphan of Kos on release but really like him now.>>737664056So he’s the final boss of the dlc. That’s a final boss yes…
>>737663936>Orphan of KosOh, we just saying shit now?
>>737664370>Nioh 3 did this pre attack illusion gimmick better with Baba NobuharuI'd say his visuals are way more confusing myself, but both are consistent once you learn the attacks so maybe that's down to personal preference. I wouldn't say Consort is an amazing boss either, I just disagree that he's bad.>>737664436You are welcome to make an argument otherwise, but it wouldn't really detract from the overall point. I think he's a really good "final boss" for Bloodborne, why do you disagree?
>>737662718I don't care about the fight being LE HARD I was just disappointed in the reveal bc they spend the whole DLC saying it's gonna be mohg's body posessed by radahn and then it's just radahn
>>737663936nashandra and aldia are unbelievably bad even by DS2 standardsds2fags can cry about it all they want
>>737664805That's like the one thing that not even the hardcore DS2 defenders disagree on, anon. Everybody hates Nashandra and thinks the way they used Aldia was disappointing outside of the narrative, if you can even count Aldia or True King Allant as bosses.
>>737662718Get off 4chan, Miquella
The mandatory boss before consort is so weak that a draft would kill them. Meanwhile consort is so OP I literally cannot even. People who think miyazaki isn't a hack after this should be locked up in a sanatorium.
>>737664741>it's gonna be mohg's body posessed by radahn and then it's just radahnbut it was thoughIt takes on a facsimile appearance of Radahn but its still Mohg's body because of the visible horns on his arms, Radahn not being as large as before and him doing the same blood move as Mohg did
>>737663201>>737663335You guys have any advice how to get good enough against Melania to survive long enough for a summons to defeat her?I just got up to her and she kicked my ass; I don't have enough time (or skill) to git gud enough to beat her myself, but I don't want to waste anyone's time on a Saturday night by summoning them and promptly dying.
>>737662718anyone justifying that you have to learn the moveset of this nigger boss and waste 3-4 hours of your day just to beat a boss in a game should kill himself
>>737666038She is like 5 times easier than consort radahn she gets stunlocked with almost everyhit, if you are close to waterfowl attack just dodge towards her, ghost attack in the second phase dodge towards her again you will never lose if you followed that
>>737666108Why didn't you just use a trainer or download a mod to give yourself infinite HP, Stamina and FP? Are you stupid?
>>737666253Because I beat every single boss in this game without summons including this nigger boss but his move set is not justifiable so kill yourself, no one should have to waste his time fighting this shit boss
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>>737662718OP is a worthless tranny loving niggerfaggot and should paint his bedroom with his brains ASAP
>>737664304no they dimmed the pillars of light so you can clearly make out the hit radius now but it is very visually weak if you knew what it looked like before
>>737666038roll forward past what she's doing and counter, use your heavy attacks
>>737666038>>737666248I heard the Radahn soldiers can beat her second stage alone so its just sbout the first stage. It was the only boss before the DLC I raced to kill as quickly as possible. Stunlocked with the bloodfang, quickest of heavy swords.
>>737666038It's Elden Ring, anon. Just cheese her with something stupid like Sword of Night & Flame spamming knockdowns.
>>737666585Idk never tried summons, her moveset is really easy to learn compared with a lot of bosses in the dlc
>>737666689>Sword of Night & FlameRequires 24INT and 24WISWhat do you recommend for a STR/DEX build? I mostly use the Bloodhound Fang and the Thorn Whip, they're not that cheesy so I'm open to suggestions.
malenia is a fun fight aside from waterfowl being unfairly obtuse to dodge at close range. Like the dodge is easy as shit but how are you supposed to figure out to do that on your own
Hes not that bad people are just shitters, not only is not the worst boss hes my favorite boss in d2
why don't you guys just use spirit ashesyou are purposefully turning what could be a 10-15 minutes worth of attempts into 10+ hoursif there was a reward for doing bosses without summons i would understand but it's just autism
>>737667390Sorry, it's been a while. I don't remember specific weapons that well, basically anything with an Ash of War that has decent range and causes knockdowns makes a fool of Malenia because she can be staggered and knocked over in both phases. If you really want to cheese very badly you can summon a Mimic Tear and you'll both just alternate knocking her over so all you have to do is dodge the phase transition attacks and maybe a few sometimes when refilling FP. She's only really hard if you play with self imposed restrictions. Also remember that you can respec a ton of times in Elden Ring.
>>737662909miquella is literally the brainwashing god
>>737662718Literally one of the best fromsoft characters
>>737667814Doing it for the reward is the autistic one for me. I just like the challenge and have soloed ever fromboss but the DS3 DLC. Though its all about having fun and I dont fault anyone who doesn't. Just the fags who say the game was easy well using summons.Also if I could auto level up after every boss fight I 100% would. Thinking of switching off consol just to do that.
>>737667390Bloodhound Fang is about as cheesy as it gets dude, speedrunners use it
>>737668779I never got the stealth archer thing in skyrim. Ive never done a stealth archer run in multiple playthroughs. Every time I play ER I swear Im not going to use the Bloodhound Fang, I always always finish using the Bloodhond fang. Its just so fucking good.
>>737667814it doesnt take 10 hours normallypeople usually like fighting bosses without summons because using summons you barely need to manage to dodge attacks and fight them properly, so youre kind of missing out of the game
>>737669027There is fun bosses, and not so fun bosses. Id be ok never playing a gargoyle pair anything ever again.
>>737667390the cheesiest way to beat her is actually with a bow but nobody talks about that oneshe genuinely can't deal with it
>>737668779It's special move is great on certain big regular enemies, but how is it useful for cheesing bosses?>>737669539Which bow? I barely use bows except for certain precision shots, it's just not fun for me.
>>737667814Summons=easy modoNo can do
>>737667814Spirit Ashes die super fast in this fight unless you're playing a faith build that can heal them. The AOEs in phase 2 basically annihilate almost every spirit ash.
>>737662718The Elden Beast fight works just fine on foot, people are way too impatient and psych themselves out when the final boss, the most competent adversary, bothers to use any zoning at all. The attacks have plenty of timing for you to get close while dodging and still land hits, and the Elden Beast has several attacks where it moves closer too. Elden Stars is also balanced around the Tarnished only moving on foot, hence the challenge to juke it and to test if players get too distracted by it.
>>737669819any bow. You just stay as far away as possible and spam headshots with free aim. When she's not stunlocked her AI will try to gap close with waterfowl every time but since you're nowhere near her it doesn't matter, just run away and repeat until she's deadphase 2 takes a bit longer bc she tries harder to stay close to you but you will be able to get to the opposite side of the arena eventually
>>737669927Honestly one of the most unfairly maligned bosses in fromsoft’s catalog. Radagon and the Elden beast are easily a top 3 final fight in soulsborne .
>>737667814>I didn’t fight the bossHe flies at you the second you walk through the door and does a fuck huge gravity aoe you will eat shit trying to summon
>>737669970also I think you can spam headshots with jump attacks too, doesn't have to be free aimnever actually done it myself but I watched [insert some streamer] do a bow only run years ago
>>737670117He used to do that, it was based. The fight started up right with the music, and any summoning had to be done after safely dodging, just like any mid-fight heals or buffs.
>>737670292Idgaf what his nerfed ass does now beat him on release when it actually mattered and he had the undodgeables
Commander Gaius is fucking great, skill issue of the century to all of the people who were melting down about him on here when that DLC came out
>>737670574The cross-slash combo wasn't undodgable, people just had to either roll to the left with one or two steps of movement to the left beforehand or to just roll a little bit later than normal (and not to the right). A guy named Creamz showcases the latter dodge twice in his dodge guide, so people were just being bitches.
>>737669895Did you not level spirit ash blessing? I used Redmane Ogha, summoning her as soon as phase 2 starts, and the light pillar nuke only removed like 10% of her health. She survived to the end, and I never healed her.
>>737670117>>737670292A lof of DLC bosses have a random chance of doing a long-range attack that'll hit you shortly after you enter the boss room, Rellana has one as well. It's something like a 10-20% chance, based on my experience. It's not an input read for summoning ash, they'll just decide to do it or not, even if you're completely neutral.
>>737673367Pre-nerf PCR would almost always do the spinning gravity slam when you went through the fog gate, like a way to replicate the spirit of him doing that as his first move after the cutscene.
>>737674094>Pre-nerf PCR would almost alwaysHe didn't though
>>737662718The boss is fantastic and the haters just have terminal skill issue>>737663463This boss is also great, albeit a bit too easy, and I would havd liked to see the phase 1 gimmick pushed a bit further.
>>737669027maybe the attacks are punishing enough you don't need to dodge 500 of them to feel like you're having fun
>>737663658The only bad part of the story is that the player is disallowed from rejecting the challenge for no reason.
>>737667814Becausd I wanted to actually get good at the game. I spent 2 days on him before and so now I can beat him first try with most builds
>>737663463this is an epic boss wdym
>>737674142He'd almost always start with that move. The only other thing he might start with at that distance was Starcaller Cry, usually if someone launched a projectile ASAP. Any other thing would be Lion's Claw, it wasn't just sprinting, it was an attack.
>>737675912Again, he didn't though. I'm specifically talking about the boss behavior in the DLC, where they start up the attack animation when you've immediately finished entering the fog door, after having died once, not just to close the distance as they would at any point in the fight. The behavior hasn't changed in subsequent patches.
how does anybody stomach this game long enough to put in 200+ hours to explore and level up and clear almost all of the bosses including the dlc
>>737676656I've done it a few times
>>737676152I'm talking about the DLC too, anon. The moment you crossed the fog gate Radahn would be doing the gravity sword slam right when the OST started up. It'd have to be a really rare occasion where he took a few steps forward first before trying any other move. The nerfs made him not attack nearly as soon after players crossed the fog gate, and he doesn't use the gravity sword slam nearly as often as the opener anymore.
>>737676718guess i just got filtered. i got bored as shit exploring the same areas and it felt like i was playing ds3 all over again which i detested for how different it was from des through 2.though it's crazy seeing people play this shit blindfolded or with 1 finger or whatever with their juiced up megabuilds they copy from the wiki. i will say that, lots of build variance
>>737676832>lots of build varianceThat's the main thing ER has going for it, for me. I'd gladly take a new souls-style game with ER's combat and build variety, but with level design similar to the older games, it would probably be my favorite game of all time. In subsequent playthroughs, I do just skip past some minor dungeons that I know don't have anything of interest. I like ER in spite of its open world, not because of it.
>>737676935yeah, makes sense. if I knew what was worthwhile to visit and what wasnt, it'd probably be more enticing. I always find myself replaying the older titles because the familiarity lets me explore more builds, but ER having a requirement to wiki or dump hundreds in for exploring just puts me off. i just dont have that iron will anymore
>>737669927Agreed. I just wish he wasn't back to back with Radagon. I really liked the Elden Beast fight and never understood the hate. It's a nice, methodical fight. You aren't just supposed to run after him and spam attack where you can't see his animations.
>>737677130I think the fights complement each other very well. Radagon is more of the rushdown boss while the Elden Beast is more of the zoner boss. Both can use projectiles and melee as needed, but they generally have certain strategies that test what players have learned and adapted to. Also, lorewise, the Elden Beast is present in Phase 1 helping Radagon do anything at all.
>>737676767The 'nerfs' did nothing regarding that type of behavior.
>>737673107Ogha has an AI that tries to stay at a distance. Most Ashes don't have that. I messed around with using a maxed out Oleg and he basically was wiped out by the AOE. I also tried out the giant Hornsent you can summon and he did little better. The only one that was any useful was Tiche because she also stays far away.
>>737677402They did, Radahn usually walks toward the player for a while after they cross the fog gate, which also gives some time to try summoning. Launching a projectile ASAP might still cause him to try Starcaller Cry though.>>737677478Taylew the Golem Smith can be a great tank against Radahn.
>>737662718I also love Radahn 2.0, you aren't alone.
>>737669927Seeing as you can now use torrent in this fight I feel like it should elevate it for quite a few people. Artistically it's always been fantastic, but I see why people had gripes with how he played. I hope EB is remembered for being peak now.
>>737678131A problem with adding Torrent is that you can rocket right past all of the visually gorgeous moves and basically stare at the Elden Beast's back, and the Elden Beast's move set also isn't designed for players to regularly be at its back. Elden Stars also loses out on its purpose of putting pressure on players unless they learn how to carefully juke it, and if Torrent gets hit by the move he pingpongs all over the place in a janky manner. Torrent also gets super combo's by the beam slashes, unless players use the mount/dismount i-frame tricks, in which case that move becomes way to easy.Heck, Torrent goes fast enough that players don't even have to jump to deal with the enclosing rings. Maybe if they run through all three Torrent could get staggered, but perhaps not even then. You can really tell the fight isn't balanced for him, and the whiners will miss out on the beautiful stuff anyway.
>>737678391I've never fought EB using torrent, but honestly that's a good thing. The fight is ridiculously boring. EB should have been cut and Radagon should have had 2-3x the health and a tougher second phase.
>>737667814Spirit Ashes get vaporized instantly in NG+7, sadly.
>>737679651How is it boring? It's not like you're doing a Bed of Chaos run to land a hit, nor is the fight lacking in spectacle. Its presence also conveys why Marika bothered with the Tarnished plan well in advance rather than a guy who couldn't beat Rennala being the sole final boss.
>>737679903It's boring because 90% of the fight is spent running towards it as it swims/flies away
35 year old boomer hereHow does Elden Ring combat compare to Dark Souls 3?I want to try Elden Ring but I hated Dark Souls 3. I wasn't even able to finish it. It was way too linear and too fast paced for my liking. Literally every enemy and boss felt like they moved lighting fast and their attacks was just one long endless combo. From the videos I've seen of Elden Ring it looks the same. Bosses that have like a 30 hit combo that you have to dodgeI stopped playing DS3 after I beat Dancer.
Non-canon DLC.
>>737663585Gael and Midir are series all-timers that both act as functional endgames that are fantastic without being overbearing
>>737680125ER isn't linear, but it's even faster paced IMO. if you didn't like that about DS3 then don't bother
>>737680125The big, BIG difference between DS3 and ER is that ER has Guard Countering- which is to say, when an attack hits your shield, you press your heavy attack button (RT/R2 typically) to do a retaliatory heavy which inflicts a good amount of poise damage. It's a nice alternate way of getting posture breaks in if you don't care to parry.
>>737680467Okay, but I think Consort wasn't overbearing for an endgame Elden Ring player character either and I also don't think Midir was that good. So, I guess we'll just have to live with our different opinions.
>>737680989"Vanilla" consort was absolutely overbearing with shit like bloodflame being unironically + on whiff and the absurdity of his light pillar visual effects. Make no mistake he was beatable, but the shit that shit making him hard was just bad design
>>737680125>Bosses that have like a 30 hit combo that you have to dodge>have to dodgeIn ER blocking is not only strong defensively but offensively because of guard counter. DLC lets you deflect like sekiro. Unga bunga hyperarmor trading is stronger because of a huge number of buffs, unlockable bloodborne rally and stance breaking. Parries are more universal than ever with a far more enemies and bosses parriable compared to previous games. Dodge only makes ER harder, not easier.
>>737680047That's not 90% of the fight, that's the exaggeration people make because they get psyched out that they don't have the boss in constant melee range.
>>737681204Unpatched consort hasn't been relevant for years. It's 2026 old man.
>>737681204The bloodflame slash was a smokescreen just like how Mohg regularly used his palm explosion and Bloodflame Talons.
>>737681487It quite literally is 90% of the total time duration of the fight.>don't have the boss in constant melee rangeYeah, because you have like 5 second windows before he moves to the complete other side of the map. The fight takes way too long for how little there is to do in it. It's not difficult at all, it's one of the easier major bosses in the game. It's just mind-numbingly boring, considering that you would have recently been fighting bosses like Maliketh who are actually engaging.
>/v/ will whine that all bosses are artorias clones but when the boss plays keep away with projectiles they whine >/v/ will whine about rollslop but when the boss has attacks that are more easily countered with other defensive tools they still insist on rolling
Imagine being so contrarian that you argue against being able to use torrent against elden beast when it's such a good fit both in terms of gameplay and narrative payoff that it was clearly intended from the start.
>>737681641Half of the Elden Beast's move set keeps it in close range or actively moves toward the player, and the Elden Beast's wind-ups and recovery animations are so long that there's ample time to strike it. A lot of moves can be dodged while running straight at the boss, with only a handful forcing players to run to the side for a moment. The fight takes about the same amount of time as any of the major late-game bosses at most.>>737682781Half of the boss' moves have their entire purposes nullified while one becomes far more punishing than ever intended, a 100% to 0% true combo. Narratively it also doesn't make sense for Torrent to be in the most sealed off area in the game squared. Torrent can't even appear in the Ancestor Spirit arenas despite being an Ancestor Spirit himself! If it was "intended from the start", they wouldn't have taken over two years to add it.
