The anti-consumerist practices here they neither disclose to the public, or its own paying customers is fucked up.They do not care if they scam you, force you to connect to the internet every 2 weeks to play their slop if it inconveniences the pirates for.... all of 2 seconds. Yeah. Yikes. They've already bypassed their anti-consumer bullshit so pirates don't even get affected.Just the paypigs. Essentially, if you care about playing games offline, you need to boycott 2k games now.
>this is what 2K is doing instead of reviving FIFAF
We've known for years that Denuvo tokens expire eventually, why act like it's some huge discovery
>>737667360sowing:>HAHAHAHAHA WE BYPASSED YOUR SHIT RIP BOZO L L L L L Lreaping:>You guys are so scummy, I can't believe you've done this! This is an affront to pirates everywhere, our honest accounts were put in timeout for two weeks, this is 1984!
>>737667360I forgot that 2k even existed, don't they only make games for niggers?
>>7376673602K is one of those companies that deserves to be bombed in a war or something.2K's PGA Tour forces you to stay online even in single-player mode. If you're playing the single-player career mode and your internet connection drops, you're immediately kicked out of the game (and the "hilarious" part is, some people said their save files got corrupted when this happened, LOL).These sons of bitches force you to stay connected to their servers even when you're playing single-playerhow is that even possible?Note: The Switch version of 2K PGA Tour is also always online, so if you're thinking of taking your Switch to a trip to play over the weekend in the woods or something, oops... you're not connected, so you can't play your own single player game!
>>737667360dont be anti semitic..
>>737667360Good. I hope 2K games brick everyone of your PCs because you fags PLAY 2K GAMES.
>>737667360Just 2K things.
There has never been a single game that failed because it didn't have denuvo. So why are there publishers still who insist on paying ridiculous sums of money to put denuvo on all of their games? >b-b-but if they didn't they'd sell way less and lose out on so much money!Proof? Source? An actual basis for this claim? And counter point. The competitors who don't bother with DRM don't appear to suffer as a result. Or is every DRM-free game that matches the sales of a game with Denuvo truly just humiliating the Denuvo-game? Are they really saying that without Denuvo their game would have sold like absolute shit in comparison? This weird faith in Denuvo is really weird. And yet people not only believe in it, but pay money for it.
>>737669442denuvo games bank on impatience and fomo to drive sales because they don't believe the product can stand on its own feet. there's that old research about how piracy actually IMPROVES sales, but the deeper meaning of it that is missed that makes big corpos angry is that it only applies to GOOD games. if somebody pirates some PoS they aren't going to recommend it to people.
>>737667732>this only hurts the paying costumers you missed this part
>>737667732literally says it doesn't affect pirates and only paying customerslearn to read
>>737669442>So why are there publishers still who insist on paying ridiculous sums of money to put denuvo on all of their games?It's definitely because of corporate regulations. These mega-corporations aren't run by common sense anymore. They're too big for that.They're kinda like countries, run by rules. Sometimes the rule is stupid, but at some point a majority (based on some technical study or some shit), concluded that rule it was necessary, and companies like Denuvo simply provide a way for these rules to be enforced.Things like:>our software with budget above X must include level 3 anti-piracy security...And they have a whole technical document explaining what Level 3 is, and the Denuvo representative at the meeting says he can take care of all that blablabah.
All the Hypervisor workaround is doing long-term is that it will accelerate the influx of next-gen DRM, which will end up being even more invasive.
>>737669750>>737669771Pirates always say that. The idea that "This hurts people who may not have internet for weeks at a time" just doesn't hold up to reality. How often do you go two or three weeks without internet, anon?
>>737670626And? It still doesn't affect pirates, just makes things worse for actual buyers. Kinda like if you buy a movie it comes with all kinds of bullshit, region locks, expiration times, and advertisements, but if you pirate it then you just get the movie with no nonsense.
>>737670626Pretty much never but last year there was an internet outage in my area that lasted nearly a month. I had to rely on my phones internet in that time which is spotty and very slow
>>737670626that means if they were to close the servers, which it does happen, the game that people paid for would be unplayable while only people that pirated would be able to play it
>>737670212But I thought Steam saved us from worse DRM o algo?
>>737670212So people who would have bought won't buy it anymore? Sounds great.
>>737668280Depends on whether you consider GTA to be for niggers. That's the only notable game they have which I remember to exist.
>>737670626>The idea that "This hurts people who may not have internet for weeks at a time" just doesn't hold up to reality.Because.....? Pirates can play it offline. offline activations can play it offline. Paying customers CANNOT play it offline. Paying customers need mandatory corporate approval to play their purchased games.>DONT YOU PEOPLE HAVE INTERNET?!Lmao. This is why everyone hates you corporate vermin.
>>737667732>Pirates in dreamland: You guys are so scummy, I can't believe you've done this! This is an affront to pirates everywhere, our honest accounts were put in timeout for two weeks, this is 1984!>Pirates in reality: lmao paypiggies get fucked by your mandatory online id checks! Should've pirated the OFFLINE version like I did!I honestly wish AI shillbots get to the point that Irdeto and other companies start using them and stop bankrolling you worthless jeetshills
>>737668280They do own the Sid Meier civilization series, and Borderlands outside the sports world
>>737667360>No proof>Trust me bro>PLEASE stop using that other proper crack, PLEASE come back to our HV AIDS botnet, PLEASE, HIS WON'T WORK SOON WE SWEAR!
>>737670626>How often do you go two or three weeks without internet, anon?>How often do you go two weeks without internet, anon?>How often do you go one weeks without internet, anon?>How often do you go days without internet, anon?It's all about being permissive and accepting everything little by little.You're acting like a retard, letting the companies walk all over you, and accepting their unnecessary nonsense
>>737667360Shit that's crazy, I frequently have no internet connection for at LEAST 2 weeks at a time commonly so this will fuck me badly. Wait sorry, it's not 1994 and I'm not using FunCow welfare internet anymore
>>737675264>It wasnt okay when Xbox did it but its okay 2k is because....
>>737675287It was fine then too, because I'm not using some Bangladeshi internet like you, or worse, Clapistani internet
>>737675213>or if you dont trust it, wait for a traditional one by voicesBabel media is really phoning it in todsy, huh? Guess it makes sense, who wants to shill on saturday night?
>>737675017Wow, yet they managed to fuck up civilization. civ iv and v were pretty good games, but vi and vii are ass in comparison.
>>737675314>ur internet must be shit to be pissed at thiscome up with something better man. I got fiber
>>737675221he's the retard that suggests putting up a 'no stealing' sign in a store so nobody can steal
>>737675346VI is the most popular game in the franchise, and I personally enjoy VII a lot, and got to playtest the upcoming changes that make it my favorite out of V, VI, and VII. So my take on that is different
>people who want to play niggerball video game can only afford the internet once every two weeksfascinating
>>737670626How often are a company's servers up 100% of the time with no maintenance or crashes?How often does Cloudflare shit itself? How often does your ISP have technical problems? How often is your connection unstable due to heightened traffic? How often does a company do something so stupid that it leads to DDOS attacks? Interestingly enough, none of the above are a concern for somebody playing a cracked copy.
>>737667360That's fine.I won't be playing their games.
>>737667360reminder HV is a virus and will hijack your computer processing power to train russian drones
>>737667360I can let it slide with NBA 2K, since the game is already pretty limited without internet access, and half of the modes are disabled if you’re not online. Even MyCareer (story mode) requires an internet connection to some degree.to upgrade your character
>>737667360it's amazing how far into the shit pirates have driven video games and they still refuse to even consider taking a shred of accountability. if you hadn't all become niggers the moment you got a shred of anonymity we would have never gotten to this point and you fucking know it.
>>737675619>Oink oink it's all the pirate's fault oink oink take responsibility oink oink oink!Vote with your wallet, paypiggy!
>>737675619>complaining about anonymity in an anonymous forum
>>737667360>get an activation here>play the gameno I don't think you should play or pirate that trash.
>>737670626>Pirates always say that.>pirates are always rightCrazy
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>>737675524Doing your daily grind saar?
>>737676563Linus proved HV is harmful kid
>>737677776Oh sure. Why wouldnt he said that. His stance is antipiracy and he is getting paid for that. Ofc he would care for your safety.
>>737675619Piracy is the product of bad services, trying to victim blame in this sitsution makes you sound brain dead, presuming you dont actually believe what your saying, otherwise your an actual vegetable who should be denied the option to steal everyones oxygen.
>>737669442There was the big study commissioned by the EU on the effect piracy has on video games a decade ago, focused on EU consumers, that showed piracy is never a negative to sales and that for studios who release more than a single game it actually improves salesthis is one of the reasons EU countries don't really do anything about piracy for the most part, but they still tried to scrub this study publicly because its not exactly the kind of thing they want to be broadcastingdenuvo quite literally is paying to get less sales, spending money to lose money.
>>737676227>being required to do something you don't agree with>optionally choosing to do something you don't agree withI see, you are retarded.
>>737667732You meansowing:>HAHAHAHAHA WE BYPASSED YOUR SHIT RIP BOZO L L L L L Lreaping:>Yo the corporation hates you we've timed the expiration the fix is already out please stop buying their games
>>737669650>>737679187Is that truly what the study said, or did it say it could improve sales?
>>737679048>Piracy is the product of bad servicesThe best service in the world can never compete with free
>>737679362>or did it say it could improve sales?It didnt but hey, if you're so confident, go find the part where it says that
>>737679362the study found that there were a few types of people who pirated games but they generally were of equal quanities and balanced each other out (this being people who bought it only after pirating it vs people who pirate to avoid paying, as well as other classifications such as people who were unsure and would not purchase it but pirating means they can be certain if they do or don't want it, people who convince others to buy it, etc) so it pretty much had no impact on sales (or a very small increase, but it seemed more to align with good games get bought more when pirated and bad games aren't impacted) and this is more handwavy and inconclusive as there were so many factors that changed it and the study acknowledges this.but what they found with absolute certainty and is 100% the case, which was something that improved sales.if you pirate a game from a company, and you actually play that game, even if you don't buy it, you are significantly more likely to buy the next game they release (or the next related game), which is why I said that for studios who release more than a single game its absolutely beneficial for people to pirate your games, the increase is that significant and that concrete
>>737675619>pirates have driven video games
>>737679396Maybe if the free was guaranteed not to give your pc russian aids.
>>737668280Yeah. They are THE ball+gun publisher in fact thats only stuff in their portfolio like literally meme tier publisher. They finally wanted to diversify and branch out with Private Division label but after two games havent met their absolutely retarded expectations they nuked that publishing branch to focus on ballxgun negro tier stuff.
>>737669442Corpo bullshitEither money is changing hands behind the scenes or its just corpo mentality making people do things for their own sake 'Its just how things work in a PROPER big company'
>>737669442Its just corpo boomerism thats it really. Like every single most selling title of past 5 years had no Denuvo or got cracked day 2 like Hogwarts Legacy. Requiem and Crimson Desert came out just when hypervisor bypass got better so both got bypassed day 1 lol. Only outlier is Monster Hunter Wilds but thats it.
>>737669650>denuvo games bank on impatience and fomoThey don't. Pirates are a teeny tiny minority that don't matter. Denuvo exists because >FUCK YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT CUSTOMERS WE FUCKING HATE YOU FUCKING LOSERS FUCK YOOUUUUUUUUnderstand?
>>737679396It can. See the rise of Netflix, Spotify and golden age of Steam. If your service is is more convenient than piracy then most people will just not bother with piracy.
>>737670212Thats the point. The boiling point will reach even the most casual of users
>not giving a fuck since modern games are shit>Still playing my backlog from 10 years ago
>>737680220Can't wait for everything being always online/mmo lite to combat it.
>the only ones hurt by this are legitimate customers>pirates get to play the games just fine with 0 worries or issuesLMAOIs there anything more pathetic than a buyfag?
>>737680409Its already here in form of Gachas
>>737679579Piracy was a scourge on the DS and had a noticable negative impact on sales
>>737667360Man, the poor fag pirates are going to have a melt down, when GTA VI is release with Denuvo. lmfao.
>>737680334finish your backlog anon, is been 10 years
>>737680719The buyfag will enjoy his game when he buys it on rel->Grand Theft Auto VI is set to release on November 19, 2026, for PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/SAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>737667360>This only hurts paying customers who bought the gameBASED, I fully support it
>>737680615>had a noticable negative impact on salesbased on what information?how did you compare games that were pirated vs bought and their sales? and how this related to the people that bought them?oh it just feels like it was that way to you?what you are describing is anecdotal evidence.
>>737676563https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/XUaeKk25O2YgrEEnDBC7yw/
>>737680852https://mcvuk.com/business-news/consoles/piracy-accounts-for-dropping-ds-sales/https://www.gamedeveloper.com/game-platforms/nintendo-leads-lawsuit-against-ds-piracy-in-japanAnd related to the subject https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1875952124002532?dgcid=author#fn9
>>737675524the next pc i build will be purely for gaming, no purchases/anything else with any kind of usefulness will be done on it, so it wouldn't even matter. I haven't pirated a pc game in like 2 decades now anyway
>>737680794>buyfagImagine being so poor and brown, that you invent a new word for people that can afford vidya. lmfao
>>737680719Rockstar isnt using Denuvo. They use their own internally developed DRM for a decade by now. Its hard to crack too.
>>737667360Another episode of pic related.
>>737680997>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1875952124002532?dgcid=author#fn9>I came up with a bunch of fictional numbers, looked at them in this way and reached the conclusion that Denuvo is good for private investorsYeah definitely no conflict of interest there.
>>737680008I imagine it's both and some entrenched middle management division of a company called "Software protection division" just releases some yearly report about how Denuvo implementation is absolutely necessary to drive sales and maybe gets a gift or two from Irdeto for their "mediation".
>>737680852>Piracy hurt the DS!>your proof?>Nintendo said so!!!>Nintendo’s numbers apparently come from a study in 2009 that tracked websites offering pirated games. Throughout the study Nintendo counted around 238m illegal downloads. The largest areas of activity were centred in Italy, Spain and France.lmao.
>>737681584>The largest areas of activity were centred in Italy, Spain and France.Nintendo fears the Imperivm Romanvm.
>>737681631Given the EU's record for kicking corporate asses they have every reason to be scared
>>737667498>>737670626>>737667732>it's old news stop talking about it>also they deserved itdamn shills are working overtime
>>737680997>first link>but Nintendo has said that illicit copying of DS titles is to blame for a near 50 per cent drop in DS games sales in Europe over recent month>second link>nintendo goes after pirates>blames them for loss of salesright, just because nintendo says it doesn't mean its true anonthey can blame anything they like for it, that doesn't mean they are correct in their blame. Plenty of people do blame completely unrelated reasons for failure or success.I would also heavily doubt the reality of it when they are saying these things and then starting a lawsuit which they want to get as much money as they can as possible from and as such blaming piracy when trying to sue people for piracy is in their best interest regardless of reality>the articledid you even do any research on this?you understand this is a paper written by a single person which was published and reviewed by a journal who has articles like "PMG-Net: Persian music genre classification using deep neural networks" and "Determining the effects of League of Legends ranked tiers on outcome prediction models" which are pretty much all single author papers. idk if you understand what makes a reputable journal, but entertainment computing is not one when it has such a low citation score.but if you actually read this article you would see that all of his sources are about movie and music piracy, which is very different to video game piracy and far more comparable to the piracy of books than of movies and music.I can tell you don't have much experience actually navigating articles, but if you actually read this you would see that the foundation of his data is incredibly fucking shittyhe draws this conclusion by looking at the sales of games before denuvo is cracked and after its cracked, and then says this must apply to other games as well because sales slow down after its cracked, which no, that is fucking retarded, sales slow down because the game has been out for weeks/months lol
>>737681338everyone used to pirate it's not his fault that white people became huge pussies and corpo bootlickers
>>737681367This is a weird meme, because I prefer to buy games with DRM like Denuvo. I just feel better knowing that everybody else also has to pay to play. :)
>>737680997>>737681771to continue on from this posthis major factor for determining the priority of piracy is how expensive a game is, not how popular it is, not how many users it has, not the crackers own preferences, but solely the price of the game and then compares how sales go down of a game and he quite literally is assuming games sales should be linear and not go down after its release period, he has multiple fucking graphs illustrating this.I can rip this study apart more but when its fundamental concept is retarded, when its in a bullshit fucking journal, and when its a fresh fucking PHD who's first published work is in 2024 and he has published over a dozen times in 2 years I would not say hes a good source and that this is just a bullshit article.
>>737681963You are just a masochist.
>>737681996>You are just a masochist.Really? Explain.
>>737682125Pirates don't pay, they will find a way around that. But you are left with awful DRM on top of paying for a game.
>>737682181>Pirates don't payTrue. They wait 5+ years until Denuvo is removed. lmfao
>>737682216So? Aren't you playing older games as well?There are so many games I get to pick and choose, I don't fall for FOMO.It's the exact same thing with console exclusives, I'm not going to buy your DRM box AND pay for a game on top.I will instead buy indie games, I love indie garbage.
>>737669442It's for appeasing the shareholders. You don't make more money but to the boomer eyes you're "protecting" their investment.
>>737667732please be bait
I don't pirate these days but I can't imagine what kind of fag defends DRM
>>737667360Anon, i always buy from GOG. Why should i care about Denuvo? If all of you faggots switched to GOG we could strongarm publishers on PC but faggots need to suck off the fat shart Gay Ben.
>>737670626retard
