Finally.A Final Fantasy job in my Final Fantasy game!
>All is excruciating pain. I breathe fire and torment.>I birth a world of suffering to mire and plague.>In one fleeting moment, lives come and go. Ever moving towards the unknown.>And in that fleeting moment, they cry for the answer to the question:>Why, given life, are they meant to suffer. To die...>As fragmented, imperfect beings, yours is a never-ending quest.>A quest to find your purpose, knowing your end is assured.>To find the strength to continue, when all strength has left you.>To find joy, even as darkness descends...>...And amidst deepest despair, light everlasting.
>>737688920If only they did all these changes when the game was still popular
>PLDs going out of their way to get themselves hit by avoidable mechanics to trigger more parry damage throughout the fight for max deepeeesscan't wait!
>>737689060Hard times etc
I know people are saying Flail or Hammer or something like that for new Tank and that would be okay but....I still really want to believe in GUN TANK. GUN TANK. GUN TAAAAAAAANK
>>737689076>HEALERS ADJUST PLEASE!KEKEKEKEKEKEK this will be so fucking cool.
>>737688920>No AOE combo in Evolved ModeOh no...
>>737689102I think shield/lance. Inspired by this or MonHun.
>>737689076>everything now gives damage down instead of vuln up.Please look forward to it.
>>737689152It's very likely the filler GCD combo just has built-in cleave.
>>737688920If pressing 1, 2 or 3 does nothing different from the previous button and otherwise changes nothing in your rotation, there is no reason they require separate binds.
>>737689076There are enough raid wides going out within 40 seconds to easily use all your stacks, the discussion of the counter move is weird. Besides, PLD does jack shit for actually mitigating damage on the group, OT will probably be more important than people assume. Or is this just some fucking nigger tier "Me MT, everyone else cuck cuck cuck"?
>>737689156Oh it’s called Gunlance so it’s gun+shield+lance.
>>737689179That would actually fucking suck, but since shield lob is AoE at this point as well, I assume it must be like that. Do tanks no longer have tank stance?
>>737689102I guess that's an option in Guild Wars 2 iirc?
One brings fire one brings iceTo these seasons all souls are tiedBrief our winters brazen and brightForged in wintry tempered in ice
>>737689275Westwolf pyrehails?
>>737688920A cool thing:you starting out with 3 Vengeful Jumps means you can do Stardiver right away in a fight. You can do GCD -> Jump -> GCD -> Jump -> GCD -> JumpBUT you can also bank Stardiver since the buff doesn't seem to have an expiration, which means if you wait until you have 3 Vengeful Jumps again you can doStardiver -> Stardiver Combo -> Jump -> Stardiver Combo -> Jump -> Stardiver Combo -> Jump -> Stardiver againOf course you miss out on the positionals-cancelling effect of Vengeful Jump but it's still cool you can do fun stuff like taht.
>>737689275Yep
>>737689275holy shit it's Zeromus!
>>737689338>>737689275>every shard hopping expansion will be le shadowbringersMeds.
RIDING HOOOOOOOOOOOOME
>tank>healer>ranged physical dps>ranged magical dps>melee dpstell me your fav job for each role. NOW!
>>737689179Please no
>>737689379I joke mainly but it is funny to think about.
>>737689379That was literally the plot of the void arc
All the grifters streamers are coming back. It's so fucking over.
>>737689379>a tiny shred of criticism of MY game? After I had to suffer the disgrace of Dawntrail for 2 years? NO SIR! I will not let you discuss this game in MY thread like that! It is only blind adjurations and HYPE or nothing.
>>737689338>>737689275What are you expecting the other shards to be like? We've already seen with the 9th that the asicans had most, if not all, of the reflections prepped to some extent.
>>737689407DRKSGEBRDBLMMNK
>yoshi-p and crew goes to berlin>berlin in 2025+1>filled with turks and other shitskins>drug-addicts lying on the street>always a funny piss smell in bigger placesCan't wait for them to all go back to Japan and be like>"DEI izu notto worukingu. Beribu mi"and Japan closes all borders.
>>737689437The 1st and the 13th were literally a two in one deal THOUGH.
>>737689206Probably because no one wants to be playing a cuck tank that spends all his time being a poor man's healer. PLD chads keep winning.
>>737689478>filled with turks and other shitskins>drug-addicts lying on the street>always a funny piss smell in bigger placesLiterally no different than California. Just replace the turks with spics.
The hard switch from modern-slop back to fantasy setting is enough to make me play again once the expansion releases.
>>737689407GunbreakerWhite MageMachinistPictomancerSamurai=Reaper (can't decide)
>>737688920The most fun part of every expansion is the period after launch and before the first raid tier come out. No weekly tomes yet so you have every job at bis, and everyone is just doing the first couple of extremes flexing to whatever job they feel like.My point is with the ilvl changes and this new system the game is gonna feel like that all the time instead so I think it could be potentially really good.
>>737689338>switching ice to light is a genius moveit is!
reminder to gatekeep and block all reborn players
I want this in my Evolved Reaper kit.
Consider the following:>Off tanks get positionals while not in tank stance.
new tank job - Judgenew ranged physical dps job - Gambler who throws poker cards
>>737689407PLDSGEBRD or DNCBLMNIN
>yfw Wuk Lemat gets one last hurrah and is the reason why the crystal in the Milala Cum Chalice can properly function with the Azem Crystal
>>737689609Why do you want to be even more like MCH?
>>737689621He said both jobs are XIV-exclusive so you know for a fact they'll be retarded slop instead of any of the cool stuff people actually want.
>>737689468There are three (two after EC) unexplored and unexploded shards : the Eleventh, the Eighth and the Fourth.The Speen fight foreshadowed one world of Earth, one of Wind and one of Ice in Extreme, so that's likely what's left.
What do we think about the EVA collab?
>>737689631bro wuk lamat will be in evercold, /v/ and every other community will scream after the berlin event and you fucking know it
>>737689575Being able to raid on multiple roles right away would be so good. I hope they get rid of the gay kneecapping you get for having cleared members in the party too. Let me play the fucking game
>>737689407>GNB>SCH>BRD>PCT>MNK and NIN
>>737689631>Every time you use that shit the screen flashes back to wuk lamats smile
>>737689693trash garbage.bet you most people don't even know what EVA is these days. it's not even special because a shit ton of games have EVA collabs already.
>>737689710I could see it not existing in midcore mode.
>>737689709She already said she's staying in her little palace, skipper-kun.
>>737689654>retarded slopPCT was the epitome of this. Was it an FF14 original?
I hope they rethink their decisions on crafting/gathering contents next expansion as well. CE is filled with bots and the only way to beat them is by botting yourself. I don't and have spend at least a hundred hours into this content and still don't have a single class with 100k cosmic points.
>>737689812who fuckin cares about that shit, your only role is to craft gear for me. craftcucks are gonna be even more useless next expac with jobs sharing ilvl
>>737689675>13 reflections and the source>7 Calamities have happened >The eighth was prevented in the First >The Ninth was bordering on a calamity itself, meaning it would have been the Ninth calamity This means there are four unseen shards left.
>>737689540Yeah, but you kinda expect that from America. And Germany and Japan always had a special kind of admirational relationship. Berlin has only gotten worse. It will be fun, ~teehee~
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>>737689812surely they have realized the average player can't afford to get a full set of crafted gear every raid tier.i'm almost at gil cap now so i'll be leaving the market this expansion probably.
>>737689807technically not since it was in FF6 i think. Viper, on the other hand, is a wholly original XIV job and probably the weakest in terms of job identity out of anything else in the game and should've just been corsair
>>737689884You forgor that the 13th is the most well known reflection besides the first.
i am going to order the ffxiv jollibee meal
they'll try to salvage Wuk by making us meet her reflection
>>737689904Lower Ilvl, but dyeable.
>>737689709>yfw she does something stupid and gets yoinked to the Fourth when Halmarut and Calyx go there, but when we actually go there in 8.0 we find out she died in the frost and find her frozen cadaver
>>737689770>trusting the writersWUK LAMAT IS COMING TO EVERCOLD
>>737689935>There are four unseen shardsI didn't forget the Void. I'm talking about unvisited shards
>>737689904The smart option would be to have it drop the normal raid gear but in complete form instead of the tokens from normal.
LEMONS LEMONS LEMONS LEMONS LEMONS
>>737688920these infographics are totally retarded and just from some redditnigger who misunderstands shit. look at bard: the tranny claims it plays like summoner but summoner has to use summoms on cooldown to prepare the big summon. evolve bard uses songs situationally. dumb apes see 3 summons and 3 songs and think they play the same just because at first glance the 3 songs also enable further skills to be used. you still have to decide between support attack and when to use your song to refresh your dots. if bard plays like reborn summoner then current bard plays like summoner as well. and pictomancer. utter retardation.
>>737689932VPR is weak because Zidane was just a thief job.
>>737690070There are 6 shards. 1st, 4th, 9th, 13th, plus 2 more.
>>73769007013 shards- 7 destroyed in rejoinings- 3 we visited in an almost destroyed state (13th/Void, 1st/Norvrandt and 9th/Alexandria)= 3 left unvisited.
>>737689407DRKSCHBRDBLMSAM
>>737690085Nah, normal mode raid gear is just too useless in a world with Crafted Gear. It should atl east be on the same level as Unaugmented Tomestone gear.
>>737689076Playing brewmaster in MoP and taking as much damage as possible to stack vengeance for massive damage was the most fun I ever had in WOW.
>>737690016>shes actually the old cat lady, not y'shtola>don't ask how she lost all her hroth features and turned snow white, goyim
will the transphobic comments that koji said at fanfest have any repercussions?
BLOCK ALL REBORN PLAYERS
>>737690142Is this the standard level of reading comprehension in America? Fucking shameful
>>737690195Right, I mixed up tomestone and normal raid gear ilvl, my bad.
>>737690245>euro can’t subtract 7 from 13Grim
>>737689631>game confirms multiple times explicitly Wuk Lamat has fucked off forever>people still trying to fearmonger
>Kate not credited for anything so far and still nowhere to be seenIs she actually gone?
>>737689407gallups are not discussionif you cant think of anything to talk about, dont make a thread
>>737689407>DRK>WHM>DNC>BLM>SAM
Is the evolved shit finally going to un-fuck the healer role?
>>737689609so...wildfire then? Sound pretty derivative
>>737690349Koji didn't even mention her once. I think she's gone gone.
>>737690389no and any retards saying otherwise have never played healer in this game. healer wont be fixed until they require healers to actually spend fights HEALING and not pressing glare for 80% of the their gcds
>>737690349Yes she was firedhttps://www.tokyoplayers.org/event-details/lemons-lemons-lemons-lemons-lemons-2026-02-14-15-00
>>737690389Hard to say. WHM was probably the healer in the best state and wasn’t changed too significantly. We need to see AST and SCH.
Earlier I saw that people are claim the 2 minute meta was better. Maybe it's because I don't have MMO autism as xiv has really been the only one I took seriously, but I just don't get it. MMOs have always been a subhuman genre where you get a worse experience of a game with the tradeoff being able to play with others. By sheer virtue of it being online makes it impossible for these to ever be as dynamic or precise as they could be offline, as even competitive multiplayer games struggle with this with tickrates and etc. (Just look at how long it took overwatch to not have a garbage tickrate) so it's insane to me that trying to move away from the shit mmo style is something people are getting an ego crisis about. I hate gacha games but they at least know how to not waste time for their skinner boxes, MMOs should've followed much sooner. It's ESPECIALLY delusional given that the framing of it implies the surviving MMOs right now aren't just bastardized sp games with little required mp elements to begin with. If a change to weekly is enough to melty about "not being an mmo" then Stockholm must have been pretty severe to not notice the past 10 years where its been declining. As for the 2 minute shit, fuck that as well. There has never been a time where it felt like something to be proud to master, its like being proud of being a midwit fightan player who learns 1 bread and butter and rolls with only that for 5000+ hours. I don't understand how people fail to see the benefits of any kind of decision making being a massive improvement over low effort Simon says toddler slop. Not to exaggerate the good of the benefits either (the floor was so low that anything can look like a massive improvement) but to claim otherwise and imply the shit ignored "rpg mechanics" are worth keeping around then its been butchered more and more is equally retarded. Its better to just embrace being an action game, monhun does well being one and it's designed to be an online game as well.
>>737689407PLD - righteous defender LG guy is like the complete opposite of my usual RP vibe, but i do love sword and shield.Healer - WHM, classic, started here in 2.0 i got to show off pantsu and ride a unique unicorn mount that made me feel like a special princessRDPS - DNC, love their JSE and fruity vibe, love supporting. Mage - RDM, same as above, flashy and dynamic in 14DPS - SAM, weeb, love big fucking katana and beautiful yukata
>>737689693lame, I'd much prefer something 14-exclusive. I guess nips really like that anime though, so if it brings in more money for the game I guess it's for the best
>>737690451>until they require healers to actually spend fights HEALINGmaybe that will work with evolved tanks intentionally standing in aoes
>>737689407-GNB-Never unlocked a single healer, been playing since 2013-MCH-Never unlocked a single caster, been playing since 2013-VPR**Other melee jobs just don't vibe with the current encounter design imo
>>737689152God forbid the jobs are different and one is better at one thing and worse at another.
>>737690618bro you need to get a healer or caster job for your mercenary life in pug hell...
>>737690628Based on the changes to ilvl being shared across jobs making gearing alts easier I hope that is the direction they go
>>737690659I have never had a problem in any group content. Casters just look like garbage in this game imo
>>737690628Do you really think a bit of button pruning will make the fucking balance obsessed Japs stop making sure that "bring the role not the job" will still apply? Do you really think they would make dungeon runs fucking insta kick when a DRG joins the group because single targeting mob packs is fucking retarded in modern XIV? Christ, either the standard combo is cleaving or they will add one (1) button with an AoE combo.
Telle which job to main. I can play any role.
>>737690893Scholar.
>>737688920I thought Vengeful Jump was High Jump + True North + Blood of the Dragon at first.But it's actually High Jump's animation (but more flashy), but Spineshatter's functionality.Based.
>>737689076We MoP tanks now?
>>737689215>died for nothing and forgotten award
so what's the end goal plot for this expansion? the shards are going to dissappear but we are saving their people?
>>737690451I continue to maintain that 2.0 Coils was the best healing content in the game. The outgoing damage on the tanks was so goddamn high if they weren't constantly being healed/shielded and using appropriate mit they'd get mulched
>>737690401>>737689650Wildfire has fixed potencies based on the number of hits, this one is purely damage
OOOOOOOOH I AM SHARDIIIIIIIINNNNNG
>>737691017Either that or we'll build bridges to all of them so the planet juice flows between them and people can come and go as they please or something.
>>737691057Wildfire used to work exactly like that.
>>737691028Remember how you had to super shield your DRG or they'd just get one shot by Nerve Cloud?
So for all 5 roles in evercold, so far I'm leaning towards warrior bit possibly dark knight, white mage but possibly scholar, reaper and possibly monk, probably the new ranged dps, and summoner.
>>737690331She's gonna show up in Endwalker 2
>>737689539I think the key thing people forget is that:>Being balanced will only maybe matter in Savage/Ultimate>Will probably be doable regardless>MT still has Shirk, and the only reason for that is to give aggro to another tank, so OT will still do tank stuff. I’m curious how old content will work because of how their HP is tuned to 2-min meta. Especially field op stuff like DRS.
>>737690142good ol' military naming scheme
I'm just surprised WAR isn't considered MT with its fantasy.
do people even play as a tank or healer job while doing story content or sidequests?
>>737691227>with its fantasy.What does mashing Fell Cleave have to do with main tanking?
>>737691248yes?
>>737691248tank is literally the main character role
What about free Dawntrail story skip?
>play 7.2>Sphene is now always with WoL instead of Wukfunny
>>737689693It's a weird collab but i can't say im surprised post fall guys/nier/yokai
>>737691248I use SMN to quickly progress through story quests and SCH for dungeons/trials
>>737689709No. The dev team knows. It’s why the rendition of Smile was used an “encore” at the piano concert and not officially announced beforehand. And during Koji’s panel when he described the most difficult song to write, he didn’t even say the name directly but through a pun, and he and Matt were like “moving on”.
>>737691308It just sounds like a very unga bunga me smash me take damage me kill me rage job rather than a "I sit in the back helping out the other tank with my abilities" job.I don't mind it, but it's funny.
>>737691331Even went on a semi-date.
>>737691310>>737691317>>737691339>>737691341but I hate having no clue while first-timing new dungeons as a tank or healer...
>>737691357Off tank is "the tank that does damage" main tank is "the person who is made of invincibility"
>>737691227I just think that WAR's whole identity having been based on sustain means it'll have undergo the most changes of the tanks. It's also funny to imagine a character with a big axe being more concerned about chasing down and throwing shields on people rather than hitting things and not dying.
>>737691434Healer maybe, but tanking in dungeons is the easiest role as long as you have proper gear.You can stand in most of the bosses mechanics and you won't die.
>>737691434buddy, dungeons in this game are all the same shitty pretty hallway. EVERY DUNGEON. there is no requirement to know shit because all you need to know is hold W and spam aoe buttons
>>737691183I fully expect it to be a case where they all have the same standard toolbox so they can function in all DF content without issue, but they have some extra buttons/effects to emphasize their role, like the block and counter shit they showed on PLD.
>>737691434going through msq and content is piss easy as healert.whm
>>737691434makes it more fun>>737691479I mean, WAR already has Shake it Off which gives everyone a shield, and Nascent Flash which heals your ally
Why wouldn't you just pick only off-tanks for more damage though?
>>737689539I wanna be a cuck tank that replaces the healer and makes them feel unnecessary
wait...do y'all seriously not just go through the MSQ for the canon wol job for each expac?
did they announce and fixes to the content? such as>all dungeons being hallways that have 2 trash pulls between each boss>raid bosses always opening with half room cleaves into raidwide>open world being completely pointless
>>737691538Thats how old ff worked
>>737691607More likely the other way around. OT will be the "jack of all trades" job that does less heal/shield than healers, does less damage than a DPS and can't take like a PLD.
>>737691615I do.Time to level up Reaper.
>>737691615no? why would i play jobs that arent fun?
>>737691645Was watching Caleb play FF5 and I’m like damn. That’s a game I wish existed.
>>737691582PLD fags are just getting uppity because SE threw them a bone for once, there's hardly going to be any difference between the two
Can we agree the Evercold teaser is way fucking better than the Dawntrail one? God that shit was awful from the very start.
I hope they make dungeons fun and interesting again. The 40-50 dungeons all had unique stuff going for them that would kill new players easily. I want some refreshing stuff again instead of the old 2 groups 1 boss, repeat until dungeon finish.
>>737691752>at least this pile of shit has more corn in it than that other pile of shit
>>737691582OT's can't eat tankbusters anymore since they aren't real tanks
>>737691752Indeed. The longer fights showing off new jobs will be sick. Bets on who will be the new jobs?
>>737691746Its not even May and youre already coping this hard?
>>737691752Eh, I thought the first DT teaser was ok but it became worse and worse with each teaser and then the full trailer.The trailer was shit and the song was shit. So far I like the EC one way more (for now).
>>737691807I don't think thancred is switching to the new tank and I don't think alisae or y'shtola is either. Urianger could become usopp though.
>>737691690all of the canon jobs HAVE been fun though...
>>737691792you can just switch to Reborn mode
>>737691790Corn? Latin america reference???? OH MY TACOS this is so inclusive!!!!!
>>737691807One of the jobs could end up in the hands of an antagonist, remember in Endwalker Zenos was the one showing off Reaper initially.
>>737691479Currently, it is the meme invincible tank in a lot of content due to its sustain. I do imagine that'll have to change significantly.>It's also funny to imagine a character with a big axe being more concerned about chasing down and throwing shields on people rather than hitting things and not dying.True, lol.
>>7376918813 of the jobs have been tanks, which are unfun as shit in xiv. samurai in SB was probably the most fun canon job
>>737691752Yes, but more than anything Dawntrail theme song was a mess. It's like a shitty mashup of different songs that don't fit together, DT teaser song was still serviceable, but it got worse with each iteration.
>>737691615I play the canon jobs and other jobs that fit the best. And i was leveling every job up to max before moving to the next expansion before dawntrail happened.
>>737691869Zero
>>737691119>tfw dropping Gauss to remove the cast time to fit one more GCD into Wildfire
>>737691807ENTER
Just stopping in to say I want a full game with the graphical style of the tapestry stuff in the trailer. Anyways see you fuckers in f2p shb since there's nothing in 7.5 that I want to sub for.
>>737691964Could be Gaia, she already has a hammer. The leak said it was generally blunt weapons tank.
What happens to the AOE combo in evolved? I didn't see any aoe combo in the dev panel and the basic combo seems to still be single target.
>unsubbed for the first time since 2.4 a couple of months agoGonna feel weird keeping my eyes peeled for one of those login campaigns
>>737691615>y'allkill yourself
>>737692017Tank Ryne would be funny
>>737692017>gaiaSTOP my dick is already hard.
>We are getting a 3rd last days dungeon Fucks sake they really are out of ideas arent they
My fervent hope is that with them focusing hard on job identity every fight ends up with something that lets specific jobs shine in their own way. Fuck one trick shitters you should be comfortable flexing around especially in this new system.>drg tanking big hits with sky shatter>mch gets their sniper rifle to burst down priority addsshit like that
>>737689807Pictomancer is fucking great you shut the fuck up. It's both simultaneously an FF6 and an FF9 reference full of whimsy and joy and it's designed by our god and savior Mr Prime so it makes sense it's great
>>737692017Oh shit I didn't even think about going to pick up Ryne and her goth gf but that's totally on the table now huh
>>737692017The leak was also mostly wrong
>>737691159Only if they died or had B4B up. They had the HP total for it otherwise. It got memed to death because it was noticable, not really detrimental.Or you took a MNK and had perma-INT down and never worried about it.
>>737692078>>737691964Exoansion where you get to travel with estinien and alphinaud and ryne and/or ryne gaia and zero
>>737692081The land cooledThe cities freezedThe waters ran white with ice
>>737691807those tacos look completely fucked
>>737692097will never happen. xiv devs hate that. when they say "job indentity" they just mean how stuff looks now how it actually plays
>>737691615No, I play the new job first then progress through the MSQ on it so I have people to play with in the new content.Probably be stuck waiting there for like 30m queue time for a new trial if I just cranked through the MSQ right out the gate.
It snew
>>737689407PLD (would be DRK, but I'm fundamentally against it being a tank)WHMMCHPCT (was SMN, but the job sucks in XIV)MNK
>>737691434Funnily enough I feel like healer is most fun in new/program scenarios, playing them when everyone knows what to do is extremely boring.>>7376916342/3, no mentions of anything with dungeons but evolved mode being the main mode from here on out could potentially imply the whole game being different. I only say this as Bard having directional dodges and a movement speed buff sounds pretty pointless in current xiv design so my hopium tells me this could be a whole paradigm shift.
I just hope they tone down with the duty support for the new stuff. Every time there are characters with retarded excuses why they are there.
>>737692213they literally showcased its how they play and not how they look you absolute stupid trannyfaggot fuck off back to your pridemonth niggercattle WoWtrash
>people think evolved will fix the gameplayLMAOIta going to kill it btw.
>>737692291>Ita
>>737692291Yeah I don't see myself pressing 2 buttons 90% of the time for 3 years
>>737692287>retard got fooled by the flashy marketingyou niggas never learn
>More half baked system to waste time and resources.
de-homogenization is a goodthinghowever there will be exactly 1 comp are you are allowed to play in PF ay any given time and if your class doesnt fit too bad kiddo start rerolling
>We can't have long hair because of clippingWho the fuck cares about this in my fantasy mmo?
>everyone hates nu-smn>they turned all jobs into nu-smn>this is now a good thinguhh? whats the deal here?
>>737692350>ITS FAAAAAAAAKEDesperate
>>737690845DRG is shitting out Nastrond/Geirskogul constantly and Jump is AOE just from the blatantly obvious stuff we saw
>>737692390This literally never happened.
>>737692408name some truly unique things the new jobs can do. paladins getting a counter is not new or unique, its just a fucking damage button. drgs new jump doesnt even make you fully immune, youll still get hit with vulns/dd. Name a NEW mechanic these jobs bring to the table other than doing damage
>>737689407DRKSGE/SCH (was WHM until 4.0)MCHBLMMNK/NIN
>>737692350is this what the failed ameritroon education shits out these days?
>>737692491>doesn't countfuck off
>>737692338>Yeah I don't see myself pressing 2 buttons 90% of the time for 3 yearsi already do this with drk when my burst goes on cooldown so i dont see a difference
>>737692491>name some truly unique things the showcased jobs do>except those unique things they showcased that they doFucking kill yourself already, wowtranny
>>737692491It's about injecting job identity back into the jobs, not about adding a Dark Souls roll or whatever the fuck you're talking about
What plogon do people use to see the pot timers?
>>737692491BRD quick repositioning
>>737691843The only part I liked was Krile showing up and PCTing. I clipped just that out of the whole trailer and saved it separately so I can watch it by itself instead.
>>737692491Nice concession you goalpost moving retard
>>737692425it kind of did in HW
>>737692017>>737692124>"How do we win back the male portion of the playerbase after spending years writing most potential waifus out of the story and pushing twinks?">"Bring in two lesbians!"Yeah this'll work great after Woke Lamat
>ask what are some unique things the new evolved jobs can do>no answersbravo xivies
>>737691634>no>yes, sorta>yesWe'll have to wait to hear more.
>>737692491i cant believe the low iq browns trying to shitpost these days. you need at least above 90 IQ to properly get shit going
>>737692609PF have always been retards though. Piercing meta was preferable but not rigidly enforced.If you don't like it, you just make the fucking PF. A lot less people care than you think.
Raidtrannies are STILL malding?LMFAO.You fucking lost, doomers won and saved the game.
so tomorrow we get shadowbringers on """free trial""" correct?
>>737692609I've always thought this complaint was retarded, are people seriously incapable of finding more people who also say "pf/majority players fucking suck and their demands are lame"? I did that pretty early on because guide requirement is the most unfun thing you can do to any game and I didn't have a hard time finding other blind enjoyers.
>>737692713Based doomers won. The doomers left dooming lost massively.
>>737688920Does this mean you only have 4 buttons to press? Am I understanding this correctly?
>>737691752I liked and like Dawntrail for the most part. 7.0 and 7.1 were of course pretty shit, and chaotic, forked tower and South Horn were mishandled, but I've overall been having fun.So as someone who isn't hating anything DT related, I have to say Evercold's first teaser intrigues me more than any of the Dawntrailer trailers did.
They should just give us the 1.18 versions of the classes. They were unironically the best skills before they added jobs. Where’s my THM sacrifice.
>>737692680>you can't make the two surviving hebe lesbians an anime harem for the WoL because people HATE lesbians
>almost 1h of mainquest about a egg stolen...
hello. will the new expansion increase the overall game in size? my poor SSD might not be able to handle much more..
>>737689407WARSGE or AST depends on the moodBRDRDMMNKmax height no meme glam no modernshit glam male roe here btw
>>737692783I think the key difference is that Evercold appears to actually have a plot, as opposed to Dawntrail being "the characters are just kinda...here".
>>737692350That 90% damage reduction giganuke on Dragoon must have been imagined then.
>>737692773Too many people live and die by PF and rely on the wisdom of the crowd.They'll call content dead because there's no PFs for it but never make the PF themselves. I get them to make the PF and it fills relatively quickly. (Actually happened in a thread not too long ago.)
>>737692824Shouldnt you be in some gacha general spewing your delusional retardation?
>>737689407>DRK(#4)>SCH (#3)>MCH (#5)>BLM (#1)>NIN (#2)MCH and DRK aren't actually played, so I'm looking forward to the new classes. I haven't unlocked GNB to try it but I really want a tank that feels like wow brewmaster monk.I really wanna try reaper and pictomancer when I unlock them, but I'm probably going to stick to BLM for fat explosions.
>>737692824fuck off SEAmonkey
I maintain that there are potential timelines where dawntrail could have been written well even if it was still beach episode filler.
>>737692881name a real use for this ability retard. you use it to tank and aoe and you end up getting a damage down negating any damage gained from tanking the hit.
>>737692713You mean "doomers" that actually wanted the game to be better (i.e. actually interested players who were genuinely unhappy) won, and shitposting agenda-doomers who don't actually give a shit but just wanna stir shit no matter what lost.
if new AST does unique effects for each card then game is already saved
>>737690165>Void>"Almost" destroyed state King understatement right here
>>737692695>talk about job identity and play style changes>sperg out and bring up "uniqueness" instead
>>737692880That could be it. There just wasn't really a hook that made you go, "YEAH. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT."The most I got out of DT trailers in terms of "wanting this" is some kind of competition inside of the palace where you fight the Scions and a bunch of other characters to prove yourself (... Or Wuk...) worthy of becoming Dawnservant.And we didn't even get that.
>>737691017Pretty sure we are just building bridgesKojima really did make a new genre
>>737692957name a real use for 90% damage reduction with free movement followed by a nuke styled to represent a dragoon leaping up in the air?i know you're a brainbroken raidtroon, but cmon now
>>737692948The setting and its core is fine, they fumbled the delivery hard because nothing has anything beyond the disney surface bullshit. It was all cardboard cutouts and nothing felt real because of it. Sensitivity advisors etc. is likely genuine and at fault.
This is probably still more fun than current-day Paladin tbqhfam.
>>737691017if i had to guess the end goal is to rejoin the lifestreams into one but keep the actual land seperate
>>737692963I'm unironically saying EXACTLYthat.True doomers (aka people who played the game, loved it, saw it getting stale over the years and asking for changes) only wished for the game to be better to come back to it, even giving ideas (many ideas posted by doomers, like myself, are even new features of the next expac, because it was LOGICAL)Meanwhile, all raidtrannies did is actively hold back the game. Look everytime the "community" pushed back against any change? How people overreacted over Kaiten being gone. How all BLM raidtrannies had a meltdown when it finally got streamlined according to the DT savage. Or how it's been impossible to change Scholar because japanese raidtrannies could potentially be melting.The true enemy of MMOs and games like this ARE hardcore raiders. They'll ALWAYS whine, no matter the outcome. They whined because they want more team synergy in HW. They whined because the class got too homogenized. Now they are whining because they don't like the sneak peak of changes that aren't even set in stone.SEVERELY HOLDING BACK THE GAME.
>>737693114concession accepted, you're the perfect cattle to keep buying up this slop
>>737688920what is the point of having 4 different attacks if it's the same button you just spam
>>737690331Haven't played since 7.1. How has it been confirmed? Where did xir go?
>>737692491Actually, it was pretty cool to see YoshiP give himself Holy Sheltron (or whatever it's called now), then Cover Prime, take the it and get the counter in return.
>>737693198>non-argumentI accept your concession.
>>737693151>>737691017Well it can't involve the Shards actually physically "Rejoining" because the zones will always be there to visit in game.
so what the fuck are battlecraft and the tarot symbols?
>if my game doesn't have the input complexity of speedrunning while mashing out arbitrary code execution then its a baby game for babies. Fighting game auto-combos means you aren't a real gamer
>>737693132>people raved about how they gave paladin a "parry">literal 4-8 second "parry" windowSo this is the power of evolve mode...
>>737693201>whats the point of 4 different actions mapped to a single button instead of 4 different dedicated buttons
>>737693201you would press them in that order anyway, no matter if they occupy 1 or 4 hotbars, you dumb faggot.
>>737693245her presence is significantly diminished in 7.2, and in 7.3 she's actually portrayed properly as a secondary protagonist. if wuk was portrayed in 7.0 as she was in 7.3, i might have actually liked her character. she gets the 'absolutely good bye' speech in the opening of 7.4 where Krile takes over as the secondary protag.
>>737691017>Post ew patches were about linking void and 1st to fix aether imbalance>Dawntrail is about cum chalice opening portals and linking worlds>Ec is nordic themed We're going to link the shards like it's the norse realms kind of shit to avoid the big coldening
>>737693323>frame perfect parry window on mmo latencyRetarded idea desu
>>737693245Serious, non-shitpost answer: They've been steadily decreasing Wuk's relevance since 7.2. She's been around, but not nearly as much of a spotlight hog as in 7.0. Hell, they even kind of shoo her offscreen in 7.2 a few times so your character can spend time with Sphene. 7.3 is kind of the same, though being the finale of the Dawntrail story, Wuk still plays a pretty big part in it. But you deal the finishing blow, accompanied by the music from Interphos (so kind of a reversal of the final trial of 7.0 that seems like an apology). Then at the start of 7.4 Wuk appears but only really to say goodbye and fuck off as she's dragged off by a bunch of children. She doesn't appear in 7.4 past that, and probably won't be in 7.5 at all.
>>737693330How about you make the main combo actually interesting instead of just pressing 1 2 3 4 or 1 1 1 1 infinitely, both are dogshit
>>737693320Fighting games are actually the perfect analogy for why the whole "less buttons = dumbed down" argument is fucking retarded. Generally speaking, fighting game characters have far fewer buttons to press than an XIV rotation, but nobody would ever be retarded enough to argue that doing an MMO damage rotation is "harder" or more "complex" than learning to play a fighting game character. More buttons does not automatically translate to more complexity.
>>737693404>I need my quarter circle forward like the fighting games I retired from!
I'm coming back for 7.5. Are people still doing endgame content so I can join to learn or should I wait for the region data center get added? Will the region data center also work for instances like Eureka and Occult Crescent?
>>737688920This is lame for sure, but are you seriously pretending FFXIV wasn't already like this? WoW was like this 20 years ago. This is the standard for all MMOs and has been ever since they got popular and Tigole became the most influential person in the genre.
>>737693467Combinations of buttons are also buttons
>>737692941 they're gonna get rid of Fire IV, aren't they?
>>737693467but more buttons more complex!!!>presses the same buttons in the same order literally every time
>>737693404Wait until you find out about the other buttons you can press to make other things happen and how the "main combo" are just basic attacks you do while balancing your other buttons! They somehow carried this crazy idea over from reborn mode as well, no idea how that played out.
>>737693404they're not just all the same buttons at leastlike dragoon have a different positional for each oneand BRD's combo has a channeled GCD on the last one, the godstrum attack.
>>737693556i think them dropping Fire 3 is more likely. be easier to just make Firestarter work on 4 and 3 just upgrades into 4
>>737693404>How about you make the main combo actually interestinghow do you make pressing buttanz interesting?
>>737693612That channeled BRD shot is actually really cool.As is the omni-directional movement ability.
So what's the deal with BRD now? Are you still just compulsory cycling through songs like a slightly more complex version of SMN, or can you actually use and hold the song that's the most beneficial to you at that point of time, or that you, for whatever reason, wanna use most in that situation?
i played it
>>737688920I'll be honest, I thought this was just another SMN tier rework that was press the glowing buttons, but all the intricacies between jump + its buffs, positionals, and sky high timing, it's probably pretty engagingStill think it needs a little more, but I'm cautiously optimistic
>>737689539We don't even know what OT is supposed to do yet, sure, they mentioned that they "support the group" but that can mean literally anything.I also doubt that they are going to turn GNB into a fucking "support" when their entire gimmick is based around using a BIG IRON to blast holes in foes and then slicing them into cold cuts.From my guess they are probably balancing the tanks as follows:>PLDLiterally "tank" of tanks, huge amounts of self mitigation and some self sustain that they can extend to others in the group if needed. Will most likely be treated as the Swiss army knife of the tanks going forward because "caster tank lol">New jobNo fucking clue but probably similar to PLD just without the extra flexibility and most likely being a more selfish mitigation tank >WARThe "healer" tank of the lot, gets to keep its OP as fuck self sustain but will most likely lose most of its mitigation in return and instead gain more ways to extend their self sustain onto the group, secondary role as the "DPS" tank of the group since they will probably keep their crit fetish for a while longer>DRKWill most likely become the "mitigation" tank of the lot with most of its group utility being reducing the amount of damage that everyone takes, will in turn probably gain some sort of negative sustain thing that allows it to deal more damage at the cost of HP with ways to mitigate said loss but not entirely nullify it (sort of how it works in PvP right now)>GNBThe "DPS" tank of the lot, will most likely be the weakest "support" tank but in turn they will most likely deal the most DPS. In turn of not having as good group mitigation they will most likely gain some sort of utility role instead, think DNC or BRD buffs but from a tankWe can probably look at the way each job works in PvP and get a good idea of where they are going with their PvE designs
>>737693186You're conflating two different types of raidfag.I am a raidfag but you outlines the retard raiders that I've never liked. They're low information and even lower IQ.Losing Kaiten did kind of ruin the job as it was, but losing Hagakure was the bigger offender and it was the last of the real gauge management. It was still fine to play.BLM was already ruined once they removed the Enochian CD and the B4 refreshes. The interesting things it ended up getting with non-standard stuff was entirely accidental and was never going to stay. Losing the AF/UI timer was detrimental to the job's identity. Making it easier to play probably was the right move even if I don't like it personally.Team synergy of HW is something I want back because, despite the piercing meta it developed, it made team composition much more interesting and impactful due to what each job brought to the table and how they interacted with each other. I want that consideration to matter again instead of the cog swap we ended up with.I'm actually looking forward to Evolved because there's a lot of potential there. The fun was always the jobs in fights. I just hope they move away from the predefined fight mechanics based on role. That is fucking boring. Let us decide who does what instead of deciding for us.
so uh, at what level you start doing dungeon, cause I’m level 25 and have done none so far, I’m main quest level 15
I still don't know how they're gonna do Dancers in 8.0. Reborn or Evolve the removal of all raidwide buffs means that their Dance Partner skill is the only source of directly buffing another person's attack, or it was redefined as like, healing or some otehr type of non-attack buff.If Dancers are the onyl source of damage buffs, even if they're single-target buffs, they'll become pretty much mandatory in high-end content, guaranteed.
>>737693768>I also doubt that they are going to turn GNB into a fucking "support" when their entire gimmick is based around using a BIG IRON to blast holes in foes and then slicing them into cold cuts.feels more like they're going to be closer to tank-dps while MT is pure tank-tank.
I'm sure those changes will help DRG tank the floor.
>>737693897MSQ level 15 should be about the range you first get Sastasha, I think? Maybe 17?
>>737693323It does more damage the first 4 seconds, and the last 4 results in a weaker version of the counter
>>737693897Really soon, first dungeon is level 15 and MSQ locked.
>>737689087good to see you're in this thread then, hope you enjoy your stay.
>>737693904In job games damcer was the job that did random attacks for wildly varying damage or the one that attacked the whole map because dancing. But it could just be an actual legitimate support job still.
>>737693954>>737693986ok thanks
>>737693905>feels more like they're going to be closer to tank-dps while MT is pure tank-tank.uhh...yea dude. That's what "off-tank" means...
>>737693201It's just the devs realizing how retarded the combo system was and it's to late for them to undo it.
>>737693905All the OT stuff feels like it would go over better if it was more of a tank dps thing than a tank support thing because none of those jobs feel supportive.
>Kate is firedThis alone should be enough to get excited for
>>737693201Don't the different stages of the combo have different positionals on them?
>>737694019This is probably more likely, some dance button that randomly gives you a combo chain to doAnd defensive support like BRD
>>737693904It's probably going to be similar to Bard and get defensive/movement utility instead of damage buffs.
>>737694041damn.....>>737694071they might have benefited from demoing drk, war or gnb to give people an indication of what to expect
>>737693386They made an entire class based around that in a different mmo and it works fine
>>737693758I thought so too but SMN are just buttons you always press to always fill the charge. It has about as much variation and decision making as every other job in reality where you slightly change the rotation depending on the fight just because you couldnt have "full uptime". I feel like evolved mode has a lot of potential to at least do the bare minimum of feeling like an action game and making you think about when and how to press buttons, instead of the inverse where you learn your game plan once and figure out how to force it in different timing intervals. It makes the player require more adjusting and planning on their end rather than giving it all to the devs and forcing it from there. Given how its also very early and they have over half a year to flesh it out, and the potential growth it can have as the "main mode" going forward, they can make the game only require 4 buttons and I'd be happy with the change if it means those 4 buttons hold a lot more thought and meaning.
when's old cleric stance coming back?
wait, PLD gets LB2 when they block well?
>>737693904The way they will balance DNC is probably going to be that they are weaker than the other phys ranged DPS wise but they will most likely get to keep at least one DPS increasing buff that they can thrown onto their partner to compensate which will most likely mean that they will be good to have but not mandatory if they balance it right which would mean that having more than one or two would be a complete waste.It would be funny to see duo DNC become a thing for a hot minute where they just partner each other and deal the most damage that way out of any of the other phys ranged, would be extremely thematic as well
>>737693402>Wuk still plays a pretty big part in it.Bit of an understatement. She's still framed as the big hero of it by knocking out the shield. But yeah, that's probably the last we'll see of her. I'm just wondering if they'll give us a Wuk minion at the end of 7.x.
>>737689407>TankThe only one I'm not really into is WAR>HealerWHM>Phys RangedDNC easily>MageI'm not fond of any of them, currently (really, descriptive of all jobs for the most part in the current state)>MeleeNIN, DRG
>>737693801>You're conflating two different types of raidfag.I am doing nothing of the sort. I know who I'm talking about, and YOU associating yourself to this group is your problem, not mine.>it made team composition much more interesting and impactful due to what each job brought to the table and how they interacted with each other. I want that consideration to matter again instead of the cog swap we ended up with.You will never have that again btw, this is also what raidfags cried about back in HW that led to the 2mn meta existing. Again, am I talking about you specifically? no.Now, most people that did savage loved it in DT. It was most likely the best thing to come out of it. Jobs were changed in accordance to that.>RDM can't play properly M7S (fuck you if you're suggesting using the cleave spender to say "now it works!!!!"), RDM can know do melee combo, ranged, when using CD>BLM have too long cast for the fights that devs made like M8S, BLM now have reduced cast time
MT or OF isn't going to matter as long as tanks can survive the tankbusters even in endgame content, because healers just take care of any problem that happens.
>>737693741You still have to rotate them all which is a shame. Would have been better to stick to one based on situation, aoe/single target/support
DT was SO bad if lit a fire under their assnow>They're fixing everything>CEO went on stage saying they will fund the game more moving forwardThe doomers...were our greatest ally all along
>you NEED the faggot who doesn't only play this role but also geared for it to fill this single specific slot>cue 4 hour PFs waiting for a FUCKINg dpsi'm glad this is gonna be gone with universal ilvl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk3rfUC80DE>mfw 2:50 onwards
Midcore/Heroic Raid Difficulty rewards survey:https://poal.me/jd9txahttps://poal.me/jd9txahttps://poal.me/jd9txaPosted this in the other thread but worth reposting
>>737694258Yeah, I just didn't wanna go into detail because reasons. But you're right. Still, they seem to have gone some ways to try and make things up to us by1. having us be the only one unaffected by Necron's despair braps2. Having us block a potentially lethal blow as well3. Having us deal the final blow, with an actual animation of us delivering it while Paved with Resolve plays (mirroring Paved with Resolve playing in Interphos phase 2 that people hated so much in 7.0 because that was the primary example of how Wuk kind of stole our thunder
>>737694402I think XVI and 7R2 being mega flops probably lit more of a fire under the suits than anything XIV related
>>737693768Shitposting aside WAR being a healing tank seems retarded and I can't imagine a good explanation for it. It's literally a big axe unga bunga. What does it do, hit allies to heal them? PLD should have been the heal tank simply because paladins are fundamentally holy knights who use white magic.
>>737694402shocker, if you mindlessly slurp up the slop they'll keep feeding it to you. If you chimp out and not give them money, they'll course correct
>>737693904Dance Partner will likely be a way to do different mechanics based on who is partnered.Melee might have it do one type of combo, same with healer, tank, etc.
>>737694402In a way, Kate and Hiroi saved the game
>>737694415really sucks we have to wait until end of July to get the full version of this
>>737694402Exactly. Toxic positivity almost killed the game. Do not listen to the mentally ill 5% part of the game. >say anything, suggest a positive change, ideas to keep people interested>NOOOO YOU CANTTTTT
>>737694508that would be cool if they incentivized switching dance partners like that, it's a lot better than just setting it once and not touching it again
>>737694486It already does this with Nascent Flash and Shake it Off with absolutely zero lore explanation. No one will really care.
>>737689407>TankPLD for sure, but DRK is a close second>HealerSGE with AST being my old favorite until ShB>Ranged physicalNever liked the role and avoided it until DNC came along>CasterBLM by far>MeleeUsed to be MNK but then SAM, I'm still have hope that the evolved rework will bring be back into liking MNK again
>>737694486HP is not just how much blood you have left in you. HP is also a measure of morale and willingness to go on. thats why monsters roaring damages you
Remember when "doomers won" with Occult Crescent?:^)
>>737694508>dance partner with a tank>gives them permanent 3-5% damage reduction>dance partner with a dps>gives them permanent damage increase like it does normally>dance partner with a healer>slightly raises their heal/shield potency and/or mp refresh ratejust thinking about all the cool shit they can do now is so much fun
I have gauge fatigue
>>737694574Through, it's always been a bit weird to translate into games since you fight just as well at max hp as you do at 1 hp. That way you can get away with all kinds of reasons why you "heal" someone. PLD has gentle white mage, War turns enemies into fountains of blood that rains on his party members and they are in such awe they feel rallied and bolstered.
>so stoked with what was announced at fanfest that i totally forgot the new patch is in 2 dayswhew
>>737694221Assuming nothing changes, which is unlikely, it's probably reasonably busy>left/right/back positionals every 10 seconds>sky high combo every 60 seconds>every 20 seconds jump + GCD lifesurge buff, which is probably for the 4 of the 1-2-3-4 basic combo>wyrmwind for forced ranged moments?I still think a DoT would be just enough to make this feel complete though; in practice the above seems just a little too thin
>>737694650you guys are setting yourself up for such disappointment
>>737694671yeah. imagine if they were separate and you needed a physical health healer and a morale healer
What do I think about Evercold?
>>737694547Feels like the only way partnering would stay, honestly.Otherwise I could see it being about having dance steps a key part for everything it does.Would be cool if dance steps did damage and as a result it no longer had a standard combo since it would always be dancing.>>737694650I don't see this at all. That would hard push the job as required to a party and would just still be the dps partnered.
>>737694739Just pretend shield heals are morale heals, that's what Scholar is basically meant to be lore wise anyway
>>737694739>Morale healerJust get some catgirls and bunnies
>>737694762I wish it was cold instead of being fucking summer already
>>737694762its shadowbringers 2 apparently
>>737694730>"S-STOP HAVING FUN!!!"
>>737694486WAR will become the new heal tank because it needs the least work to be turned into one, it literally just needs a way to spread its sustain onto others more easily and its already there. As for an explanation I actually think that they could argue that a WAR inspires itself and its allies into pushing beyond their limits, literally forcing their bodies to move out of sheer determination and a healthy dose of residual aether that they shrug off as they go "UNGA-BUNGA" on some poor motherfucker
>pass by the city while doing the main quest>every end game character looks like a k-pop startits lost ark all over again
>>737694650There'd be no reason to not partner with DPSI think the system gets scrapped entirely, and if it stays, the partner generates random dances for the DNC to react to rotationally, at bestSince FFV dancer was pretty much just random attacks: the job
>>737694794it's OBVIOUSLY heavensward 2
>>737693768>WARdirect healing>DRKshielding>GNBlifesteal
>>737694650Tank : ReductionDPS : MobilityHeal : RegenLike the BRD
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>>737689379yes it worked compared to fag furry spic continent with an annoying furry as guide mc wonder what shit will be the villain a zoomer ascian that likes valhalla myth?
I dropped it when the shadow DLC was released, is Astrologian fun again?
>>737694862no dragon nor church bad yet or missunderstanding civil war
>>737694290>I am doing nothing of the sort.You are and you don't even know you are. Which is fine, most don't have any real experience of them and focus on the vocal retards that we've always known were a problem. They take what was seen or noted and blow it out of proportion. These are the retards that lock PFs to jobs and try to rigidly enforce conformity to their retarded takes. They thought it mattered more than it did.Evolved actually leaves an avenue for the compostiion to matter again. I'm not even saying it will, but I'd still like that. Not in the 'I want this set of jobs only' way, but in the 'we have this so we are able to do this' manner.And BLM was likely changed because of PCT supremacy more than anything, they had ot try and siphon people off of it somehow. M8S wouldn't have been an issue with the cast times, just a liittle annoying but we've had worse over the years.RDM was specific to fights, but lots of them where they had to not use it because of mechanics positioning.2m was sonething they devolved to on their own. It wasn't an issue when the stacking was every 3m.
>>737694558Those are two skills and one of them is just an "other" version of another skill. Which makes me wonder if it's losing one of it's own heals like Bloodwhetting which doesn't really work if it isn't actively being hit.>>737694814>>737694739"Morale healer" sounds retarded, especially for a WAR.Real talk: I think what people are so focused on the "lowering damage taken by allies" part that they are completely ignoring the "actions to lower enemy damage" part. Less thrill of battle and more reprisal, ignoring that others have reprisal itself that is.
>>737695009AST is the only fun healer
>>737694221No matter how much the devs dumb down the battle system it doesn't matter if the player is just plain bad.Like I was watching a vtuber that occasionally watch she isn't my oshi, and she was on summoner and she was still failing to hit her buttons.Look how bad she is playing as smn.https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2757097420?t=4h2m27s
>>737695009your cards are dumbed down more than card agains humanity shit and no longer able to shield or heal only heal
>>737689060WoW grognards get ye gone
>>737695131>open clip>English-speaking vtuberwhat the fuck is wrong with you?
>>737695064If I had to guess, Nascent Flash and Bloodwhetting might change depending on whether you have Tank Stance on or not
Do you think at the end of this "saga" will lead to the Azem Crystal being broken/dissipating? In the teaser, that kind of seemed to happen.
>>737695064aggro as a concept is how afraid the enemy is of you. abilities like reprisal are just you temporarily shaking their resolve so they hit less hard
>>737689156HAMMAAAAAAAAABEAT
>>737695136pure healers can also shield. And AST has more shields than the other pure healer
>>737695171She's actually bilingual. She's half Japanse and half White.
I don't play healer and have no intention to in the future outside of pvp.What are the implications on fight design now that they're taking out ogcds heals?
>>737689407WAR is the best job in the game because you can carry shitters
>>737695136>>737695219I don't know who to believe, so I'll look it up later.
>>737695064>Morale healerIt's literally already in the game, as the job quest(s) have alluded to a warriors strengths coming from a mix of willpower and rage.It is also the most realistic way they will deal with the dilemma since it would require the least amount of design work to get it functional out of all the tanks with GNB probably being the hardest one for them to find an actual identity for that isn't just "BIG GUN, BIGGER DEEEPS"
>>737695227healer gonna be worse role to play
>>737695227We've only seen one healer. The one that was heavy on the GCD heals already because of lilies.
>>737695283>healer gonna be worseI didn't think healer could get any worse
Is it just me or did they say there were gonna be multiple towns?
>>737695227there'll be slightly less 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 spam.
so when's the next infodump
>>737689407>tankPLD, with WAR being a close second>healerGive me back my old SCH, please>ranged physical dpsMCH>ranged magical dpsBLM>melee dpsMNK, my beloved
>>737695237doesn't matter how much you carry shitters in ex roulette bud
>>737695237really?
>every zone is is just sea of clouds with multiple islands of different settings final zone is on the ground and becomes normal so visuals from other locales change. Think Eden hub/DT final zone
>>737693768>gets to keep its OP as fuck self sustain but will most likely lose most of its mitigation in returnwe're going home, launch WAR bros. don't need mit, just wanna get hit and heal big.
>>737694402The gameplay was getting stale so I'll give them a chance just for the gearing and tomestone changes. At the end of the day if you play savage/ultimate the boss mechanics are always a higher hurdle than pressing dps buttons.
>>737695227They mentioned they wanted to make you stand still to cast more, while damage is instant. Basically opposite of how it is today. From the Evolved WHM preview there was still a lot of oGCDs on display.
>>737695227it brings me back to ARR/HW when you had to be more of a predictive healer with slightly different timings (WHM casting so the heal goes through right after the damage registers; SCH casting so it goes off right before)
>>737695336I said that before 5.0 dropped. Never underestimate SE.
>>737695409>300% HP return on Inner Beast damage>2000 damage>6 HP heal because it only had 2 HP left.Good times. Unironically.
>>737695346Berlin in late July
>>737695260Nah GNB is probably the easiest because it already has a general idea of being the DPS-tank. Thing is that this "willpower and rage" has been portrayed more as being in an unstoppable but difficult to control state, which is what's translated into it's sustain-focus. It can be done but I think a debuff-tank could be just as likely, though that could also apply to DRK.
>>737693768The one thing I really want to get out of this entire thing is that they give a raise back to PLD. I'm tired of having that be the only defining thing for RDM and it would be neat if one of the tanks gains that abillity as it wouldn't cut into my DPS anymore if I have to rez retards
would a "DoT mage" work if they reduced the timings on the dots so it fit more of a traditional rotation? So instead of a dot being 30 seconds it was more around 6-9 seconds
I'm really curious to see what they do with open fields and hunts.
>>737694814>you can now cast holmgang on alliesCould be pretty cool.
So how pissed is xeno finding out that he is now the lesser tank after he glazed his main war so much?
>>737695667Doesn't seem like any WAR mains are happy right now. Imagine going from the main character to some bitch who sits in the back with healers and yells a lot.
>>737690628A job that can barely AOE isn't just worse, it's unplayable in most content
>>737695131Not sure why you're saying this in response to my post but I guess I shouldn't expect much from a vtumor fan.Though I do agree that it shitters shouldn't matter and be part of the equation. It's as you say, they'll always be bad. Regardless my post isn't about the dumbing down of the system, it's about the recontextualization. Anyone who had issues with the current xiv system only had issues due to being illiterate or being unable to grasp basic patterns. Evolved mode won't make that easy, the best case scenario is that it will prevent shitters from not contributing anything due to not knowing the "right order" anymore, but it'll still be a far cry from people who can make good use of the tools. You can have a retard hurt anything with a knife, but a skilled person can use the knife to do many things, and hurt faster, and etc. That's what I'm trying to get at by saying the decision making aspect is a net positive. Most other games work under a framework of 4 or even 2 buttons and everything else is contextual like distance from enemy and etc. It's not very RPG-like but xiv hasn't been that since heavensward.
>>737695615Of all the things they discussed, the talk of making open world zones more dynamic sounds like the most likely nothingburger.
I hate Zenos.
>>737689407Used to like WAR, now they're all meh. Plays DRK the mostDon't like any. Plays WHM the mostMCHBLMMNK
>>737695667one or some more videos pissed then sucking yoshi´P at berlin
>>737695481>timing adlo and lustrate for nael's auto + cleave sync so your pld could live with only rampart and awareness and could save sentinel for the swap2.0 and 3.0 sch was the most fun i ever had in this game
>>737688920I find it interesting to watch a game developers creativity and balancing skills decline in real time. bungie, blizzard, and square never fail to fail.
>>737689407PaladinWhite MageDancerBlack mageSamurai
>>737695667Of everything shown at the keynote I just don't see the tank thing sticking as some rigid separation. Trying to make a distinction of it being similar to pure vs barrier healer is also retarded. I've cleared 2 current ults at the time with double barrier healer so the implication you will need 1 of each tank seems retarded.
>>737695784>creativity and balancing skillsThat's the problem, it's incredibly hard to have both when there are this many jobs.
>Black Mage>No Black Samura
>>737695568they re terrified to even double the potency of dots
>>737695870There's one in Assassin's Creed Shadows
>>737695760Yeah, I'm just curious how much or how little work will be put into it. It can be a token effort that doesn't amount to much, or a game changer.But right now, I'm assuming it's small.
>>737689693I like the idea but does it need to be 3 whole raids, how about 3 different collabs instead.I wanna see heads of state in plugsuits
>>737695820You'll also have to be capable of clearing even with 2 OT set-ups so it's pretty much still gonna be preference but the devs would like you to have both bases covered, same as pure/shield healer distinctionIt is however really really funny to see MAN MODE MAN BERSERKER MAN RAGE MAN CRITS Warrior players cry like they're being forcefemmed
>>737695820People are jumping the gun because they hear the words "main" and "off" which implies that only one of the tanks will actually be tanking while the other sits in the cuck chair and watches (even though that has never been the case in any modern MMO).That and the words hurt their fragile egos if they didn't happen to be a PLD tank
>>737695782>manually casting Embrace to solo heal AsclepiusFairy control used to be so fucking good it was nuts.I hate that they took it away from us, even if ti was partially ruined as early as 2.1
>>737695910>3 different collabsnot enough fantasia money
This is not looking good. First ourguy Xeno hates BST, and now he's hating Evercold because they decided to make based WAR into a support job.If he quits, the game has nothing left.
>>737695409>launch WAR brosbenched in favor of running 2 PLD bros...
>>737689076wait you mean healers now have to pay attention to the fight and react instead of just doing their spreadsheet timeline rotation?
Do healers even have to worry about status effect removal or buffing?
>>737695856>hard dps checks>timed phases they can do better than this
>>737695962Desolance is in prison too, if anybody else tries to turn into his Kendrick Lamar then it's over for him, he can't blame his already known figure
>>737695962Lmao, if he quits the game might actually be better off since it's people like him and his dick riders that caused the 2-min meta to evolve like it did
>>737696016yes I like to not tell healers I’m main tanking in the low level alliance raids and crash out on them in party chat when I die to auto attacks
>>737696040It's wild to watch that bald faggot complain about OT being a damage-chaser when HE WAS DOING THAT IN HEAVENSWARD, HE IS LITERALLY THE "STRENGTH ON TANKS" GUY
>>737696027They can, but they also need to stop catering to people who start crying the moment there's a tiny bit of imbalance. Hopefully iLvl thing makes sure devs ignore those people as switching jobs becomes much easier.
i miss hw bard
>>737695960Find people that will pay square instead of the other way around
>>737695931It's going to be optimal to take both because of something daft like the damage of counters being the deal breaker.Xeno is bitching about maybe double OT being better but I can see double MT being better for the above reason.So it'd be:MT/OT (counters and mit diff)MT/MT (counter damage)OT/OT (all mit no counter)
>>737695931To be fair there's a lot of shitposting about WARs turning into glorified healers, which most WAR players probably wouldn't play and just stick to Reborn, which I don't think is permanent. PLDs are now getting really uppity though, given they are gonna be sharing their MT role with the new tank that will be built from the ground up for said role.
>>737688920So Evercold's setting. Despite being in another dimension or whatever it's basically gonna ben Heavensward 2 Electric Boogaloo isn't it?
>>737696304No it's already heavily Norse themed, a "one-eyed wanderer" was shown off alongside ice giantsIf anything it's going to be offputting to retard internet Vikings that think Thor should look like his Marvel Comics version
>>737696304shadowniggers: ragnarok ( maybe they copy that shit god of war game some things)
I'm going to laugh so hard when PLD does the most damage of the Tanks while also being MT because of the counter attack bonus damage timings.
>>737696304No? Unless you think snow and flying islands = heavensward
>>737695962What reason does he have to hate BST?He's not even going to play it.
>>737696354pls yoshi copy fat thor from god of war and make him like the fat guy of shadowniggers
>>737693316Leves and Triple Triad.
>>737696040I remember his comments during the Dawntrail media tour.Something along the lines of wanting GNB to never having to worry about cartridges ever again, and how awesome that would be.
>>737696378PLD main tank cause they realice shield should make him better tank by logic KEK
>>737695962tab back in baldo
>>737696354We must be better hyur.
I want to impregnate a Lalafell
>>737696569fat thor: KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHOUT TO MY XAELA LOLI (soken music starts)
Is that frozen Yggdrasil? Looks like roots at the bottom.
>>737696645Everyone does
So who are the remaining unaccounted for Shadowniggers?
when the fuck are they adding a m+ system? or having a modern glam system so you dont have to hoard all your gear forever?
I have aesirslop fatigue Give me Beowulf
>>737696827>Unironically wanting maze+
>>737696827>when the fuck are they adding a m+ system?god willing never>or having a modern glam system so you dont have to hoard all your gear forever?we don't know. right now, they're seeming to focus on letting people put more things in the armoire and letting you reduce entire armor sets to just using one glamour dresser slot
Midnight still has more content and players ahaha. Rip XIV should of just copied heavensward
I don't care for boring infographics or YT vids. I'll try out Evolved whenever/if I come back to the game.
>>737696861too problematic for normies
>>737694487>If you chimp out and not give them money, they'll course correctthis happened somewhat recently in lol where they wanted to remove free rewards because you could unlock free skins with them in the loot crafting systemoccasionally, using the reroll system, you could sometimes get a much higher value skin or skin that normally you have to pay goybucks for a whale tactic arose involving depleting the pool of skins by collecting all the lower priced skins (which still costs a ton added up) to essentially get a discount on future stuff citing this, the product lead was on twitter accosting people like a fucking alien from another planet and saying that this literal handful of players were "taking advantage" of the company by unlocking new high priced skins for free or at reduced cost on release (requiring them to already have paid nearly 10,000+ dollars into their system)they relented but have since started countering this by excluding skins from the reroll and spamming 500 dollar skins for the chinese playerbase who have no shame
>>737689076Like healers have anything to do in raids outside of blanket HOTSing and pressing damage button + dot button every 30 seconds
>>737696883>making dungeons relevant is a bad thingill never understand this mindset
>>737696892wasn that shit savage dungeon they added in shitwalker that was just a boss rush with some small pull?
>>737696892Being able to put all AF sets and Dawntrail+ dungeon sets into the armoire is pretty wild as it is, if they nix the glamour dresser, use the armoire exclusively, and allow you to dye stuff in the armoire, that's basically the problem solved
>>737696965You mean criterion?
They need to fix the secondary stat system or the game still sucks. 0 build variety in the game
>>737697006yup
>>737697021Hey guess what, raid buffs being deleted means Skill Speed and Spell Speed will become the predominant stat builds
>>737696892>>737696883>xivtroons when shown real gameplay and not chatting in the main city or AFK dancing for targets
>>737697048Thank God, I've always found it really frustrating that you were getting penalized for being able to press more buttons faster.
>>737697083>"real" gameplay is copying stuff wholesale from WoW
>>737697116this game is a wowclone nigga. 1.0 flopped so hard yoshi p had to copy cata/mop era wow lmao
>>737697005And all 3.0 and beyond dungeon sets as glamour outfits, and even some 2.0 dungeon sets.>if they nix the glamour dresser, use the armoire exclusively, and allow you to dye stuff in the armoire, that's basically the problem solvedWould admittedly still lack the account wide and "outfit catalogue" (where you can pull up all potential gear looks and see where they're from) elements, but yeah.
>>737697172copy everything, even the bad parts
>>737697116seeing as yoshi rode wows success and copied it they should do what actually works in wow
I feel like with time ffxiv is getting weirder.
>>737697048My guess looking at current black mage is that speed has very slightly better benchmarks but people still use crit for barsing because of the variance.
>>737697236>what works in wowloot rolls and housing doesn't work in wow
Literally only WoWniggers could look at "play the same dungeon 40 times to maybe RNG roll into good gear" and think to themselves "Yes, this is the type of game I want to play'.
>>737697172>the game is a wow clone>except it's also not enough like wowokay lol
>>737697301saying this as he's afk in Limsa looking for erp since there's nothing to do outside of savage raids or bot gathering
>>737697301That's all WoW is anymore.Raiding and doing the same dungeon over and over again.That's their definition of "not stagnating": making the main forms of content to engage with 20+ years old and 10 years old respectively.
>>737697346saying this while you're in another game's thread valiantly defending the honor of the game you're not playing right now :)
>>737695347>ARR/heavensward monknever forget what they've took from you
>>737691553I AN NEW TO FF14 DOES FHIS MEAN WAR IS THE TAYLOR SWIFT JOB
>>737697403On my way to do a +18 pit of saron right now (;
>>737689407>tankPLD>healerWHM>ranged physical dpsMCH>ranged magical dpsBLM>melee dpsMONK ALL DAY ERRYDAY BABY WE PUNCHING EVERY MOTHER FUCKER WE COME ACROSS. Dragon? Punched. Primal? Punched. Ascian? Punched. Gods? You guessed it, PUNCHED. WACHOW!Just love any game that lets me use fists when everyone else has some kind of weapons or god like powers and I can just punch.
>>737697464i heckin love dungeon from 2007innovating like a heckin epic wowchad
>>737697263That's the thing, Crit's main benefits come from stacking multiplicatively through raid buffs on top of a few jobs having ways of guaranteeing crits, so crit value is gonna plummet. This'll effect most DPS jobs for obvious reasons but it's gonna be interesting to see the knock-on effects this has on Warrior who's so crit-focused
>>737697515Soulful to rework old dungeons in a modern setting, xiv lacks that since everything is static with 0 skill ceiling
>>737688920>left positional, costs 1 dragonsbane, lets you use geirskogul which is a line aoe attack>right positional, costs 1 dragonsbane, lets you use nastrond which is a line aoe attackstopped reading right there senpai. it's all fucking fake. there are 3 jobs in FFXIV.Red, Green, Blue.
>>737697346>saying this as he's afkprojection?
>>737690228What comments?
just finish the level 15 cinematic, for the love of god don’t tell me that the game devolves into a trails story
>>737697595you will never get targets in the city btw
>>737697616Trails is mega ass so no
>>737697573>rework old dungeons in a modern settingthe rework:>damage go up health go up
>Switch 2 versionNintendo kikery aside, the game is about to explode in Japan
>>737697263BLM has always had that cadence in patches. Crit on first tier, either on 2nd (depends on SpS availability mostly) and speed winning by the end due to the scaling and total available through ilvl.There's a few outliers because of other factors (like non-standard stuff) but that's generally been the pattern.
Should I play this game or GW2?
I was going to level the jobs I currently haven't leveled yet.But now? Fuck it, I'm waiting until the evolved jobs are here.
>official forums complaining about the removal of button bloatis there anything that would make these 'people' happy?
>>737697738Depends on what you want more from an MMO.GW2 afaik is more horizontal progression and overworld content.XIV is story oriented (in fact, unless you skip, the story is required), vertical progression, and generally more about instanced content, but dips into a few bubbles of side content.
Can I play free trial when I already have a character?
>>737689407warschwhatever the new one issmn (two jobs of roles i dont play with one stone)viper
>>737697821not on the same service-account, you'll need a dedicated free trial account
>>737697821if you used the trail before, nop, you gotta pay the month subscription
>>737697806The hideous neon green skin options
>>737689407GNB/DRKAST......RPR
>>737696942Jesus Christ. At least some Americans realize how spiritually circumzied their countrymen are
>>737694508Something that might be cool would be making it so you have to swap partners after every dance, with each role having different effects. Then, once you've cycled through your party (have the dance put an undispellable non-detrimental debuff on your partner afterwards), you open up an ability that partners you with your entire party and that's your big dick damage move.
>>737697821If you make a throwaway second account the answer is yes. I did that shit to redownload the game instead of wasting subscription time downloading the client. Now I have that free trial account to play all the way through shadowbringers again for free when I'm not subbed.
>>737689407GNB/PLDWHM/SGEMCHBLMDRG
Why is the whole mogstation system so convoluted?
>>737697808What if gw2 and ff14 kissed and had a baby o.o
>>737697595Now THIS is a self report post of all time
>>737697806No.Official forums are literally always, always complaining.
>>737697925Oddly enough they're complaining about that too
>>737689445saying "the story has parallels to it's history" but in a retarded way to ragebait since daddy Elon conditioned my reactionary propaganda to behave in that manner is not criticism
>>737697431That was quite literally the Steel Peak for me.
>>737698084There really are a lot of guys that post here like they've got a Twitter checkmark and they're getting paid thirty rupees an hour to be a retard
>>737697997because they still 2000s ui in webbrowsers
>>737698256They probably do.
>>737698260They made it "modern", only problem is that the old website was much simpler. Adding games and subscription options should be in front of your eyes when you log in and not somewhere.
>>737698256it all trickles down, faggot
Harder dungeons is all XIV needs.
>>737689407>WAR>WHM>BRD>SMN>SAM
>>737698000Then you get nuWoW
I love Koji's chibi drawing has wider eyes than all the Japanese fellows and doesn't try to hide his balding or his potato body-shape.
I wonder if SGE will get a neutral movement ability.
>>737697691>new boss mechanics, new dungeon progression mechanics, new mobs who have new spells/abilitiesit's ok that your hallway dungeon with the random wall that stops you until you clear the current pack dungeon is getting boring for you sir
>>737698748lmao
Will we see our favourite hebes again or will they introduce a new one for 8.0?
>>737689407paladinwhite magebardred magesamuraithough if we're speaking strictly gameplaydark knightsagebardred mageninja
>>737698945Gaia being relevant is very unlikely.
>>737689407GNBSGEDNCPCTRPRHeterosexual bun boy player
>>737698748>EW is PLD expac>we meet Zero (RPR) as a PLD>she becomes PLD>EC is RPR expac>we meet Zero in 7.5huh
The housing situation in Dynamis is appalling. Every ward that takes FC housing is filled to the brim with botted shell FCs that gold sellers use to run subs. Why isn't SE doing literally anything when they don't even attempt to hide it?
>>737699097>viera male>heterosexualsure sister
>>737699096I wouldnt write it off completely, they did add her to the MSQ a while back
What's the best way to level characters from 90-100 nowadays?
>>737699127Lucas tier writing
>>737699249dungeons and fates. it would be spamming floor 70 of PT if anyone actually used it for leveling
8 man raid series will be Sin as one of those wandering giant things
What do we think of the Frosteaters?
>>737699393When all the ice melts and we basically have Spira below? Could be good.
>>737692197A commentary on how botched DT was
>>737695027>no dragonTheres lizard people, close enough
>tacos tacos tacos!!! all throughout DT>no eat taco emotewtf?
>>737699739kinda shit they didnt invent a new race so again scalies or just make different looking hyurs to be nordic and some elves
>>737699512the crystal drones looks like starcraft if protoss decided to weaponice their pillons
>>737699854there's still time for a new race. though i'd rather that not happen
>>737699854They need to have a lot of Roes for this.
>>737699902Didn't they say ages ago that they wouldn't be adding more?I don't expect them to. Hrtoh and Viera were hell.
bros...i died for my greed...but i want more. is this the power of melee dps?
>>737700028i think it was worded duplicitously so that if they wanted to they could. it just wouldn't be expected
>>737696827>maze +go fuck yourself
when will xiv fix the fact every class is still boring to play. new changes won't fix it
>>737700125>when will they change it>these changes don't countpottery
>>737700125They literally fixed it>New changes won't fix it.Based on what we've seen, yes they will.
>>737700029little melee dps-skankneed correction
>>737700125>class is boring to play>changing it won't fix ithuh
>>737700334>I used to press 1-2-3>NOW I press 1-1-1!!!!If they had made the game action combat and taken away tab target or something, or fixed the game engine, otherwise you're just shuffling chairs on the deck of the titantic
>>737700169>>737700334>>737700202good morning sirs!
