>>737690496
d4 sucks, its that simple

>>737690496
Blizzard caters to chinamen, you won't hear anything in the west about them.

>>737690496
if i'm going to play babby's first ARPG i'd just go with TL Infinite which at least has masses of eye candy.
and PoE1/2 when i want a real game.

>>737690496
Too many APRPGs about that I actually enjoy, and enough too rotate through so I don't get burnt out.
I can see adding it back into the list at some point, but just to double check it's still dogshit.

On that note, anyone tried Titanquest 2? I've been waiting for full launch but tempted to nab it sooner.

>>737690496
Blizzard shill campaign is late it seems. I'm not seeing the DIABLO 4 IS FIXED!!!! wave of posts yet.

>>737690496
I'm done with Activision games.

I'm waiting for it tomorrow. Apparently it comes out on the 27th in asia.

>>737690496
>>Early reviews say it's great
I don't trust vidya journalists.

>>737691003
>too many
Which ones? I'm only really playing poe2 and d4 in between seasons.

>>737690526
FPBP. I didn't buy the first expansion either.

>>737690496
I am the target audience for Diablo, and I just don't care. Diablo 4 is a boring slog of a game that is far more preoccupied with chasing season/battle pass trends, being a soulless open world, having MUH GIRLBOSS narratives, and trying to hook the shambling masses of dopamine husk WoWfags on another pointless loot treadmill. It isn't fun to play and does not scratch the same itch as 2 and 3 do, or things like Titan Quest and Grim Dawn either for that matter.

>>Early reviews say it's great
Trusting them is always a sign of a shitter, anon
Only ever trust yourself and your pattern recognition

>>737690496
Im in my ARPG depression arc.
>play hero siege, the absolute garbage game with 0 loot for 500 hours
>lose 3 characters, all to bosses because god forbid i want to do something other than grind mobs
>play project diablo 2
>get annihilated 1h after i drop a HR and buy entire IK set by archer with might aura
Yet if i go softcore i just lose any motivation to touch the game after 5min.
Not touching this genre for at least a year.

>>737690496
I tried D4. It was shit. I do not keep throwing money at shit games to try and maybe 'fix' them.
I'm more inclined to try TLI than this shit.

>>737690496
>Early reviews say it's great
>8/10 and 9/10.
Game ratings, much like how people rate women, are overinflated and the rating of 8 or 9/10 are so common that they're effectively meaningless.

Not every game is an 8 or 9 or 10/10. These are overwhelmingly fun games with intricate systems. The vast majority of games, this one included, is a 5/10. Not saying a 5/10 is a bad score, as I still think it might be worth the money at this point, but it's not going to innovate anything, attract new people to the genre/series, or be any more memorable than any other in the series.

Why do they refuse to bring back Diablo? No one cares about Lilith or Mephisto. Even Baal would've been better.
Why not just kick the hive and make a demon inspired on Christ?

>>737692413
Because there is obviously more dlcs coming. They're probably saving Diablo for last.

>>737690496
>>Early reviews say it's great
all diablo 3 and 4 reviews are 9s and 10s despite these games being braindead autopilot mobileslop while the same outlets were giving diablo2r 7s and 8s

Modern game critics have no clue what good game design is, neither does Blizzard

imagine buying this shit after the last 'mephisto' expansion where they purposely ended it before you fought him so they could charge for another DLC

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>>737690496
Sorry I don't play Blizzard games, I'm White. And as you know, though I am Caucasian, my ancestors didn't come from the asiatic steppe or further east...

Basically, Blizzard is for chinks and gooks and the noble Mongol and not for me, and not for the West. They should be forced to re-focus on the west or move their HQ to Beijing, seeing as their audience is an insect-hive of bugmen and not me.

*spit*

>>737692630
I mean d2r was the same game. It looks competent for a remaster but nothing really mindblowing.

>>737692413
>Why not just kick the hive and make a demon inspired on Christ?
Basically Akarat

Just say that you didn't play a single minute of D4 before posting

>>737692506
Yeah, apparently the ending of this campaign sets up Baal pretty hard, and then I'm guessing if it goes on long enough they will do Baal then Diablo for a grand finale.

>>737692940
>Akarat
Tbf, they also took way more from Aslan from narnia than him being just a straight JC copy. The whole sacrificial lion thing at the end for example.

>>737691519
>Last Epoch
Not flushed out yet but good bones to it. Gearing/crafting is hands down best of any in my opinion. Also it's relatively 'light' I guess you could say, but without being basic like some of the older ones. Good middle ground. The setting is fucking cool as well. Lots of room for growth here.
>POE1 & 2
Speaks for themselves. Also broke me out of my necro/sorc tendancies that I had with ARPGs for ages, and allowed me to appreciate dual-wielding two-handed fire hammers.
>Grim Dawn
I like the themes and the setting, the rest is servicable. I like the progression in regard to classses and abilities, I imagine there's a fuck tonne of replayability with the classes. On my next character I'll be doing the expansions too.
>D2R
I'm only in Act 2 on my first run, and I didn't play D2 enough back in the day to get a nostalgia hit from it, but it's nice to have on my Deck and put half an hour into it every now again
>No rest for the wicked
Not an ARPG like the rest are, but I feel like shilling it. Fucking solid game.

Looking at / Waiting for
>Darkhaven
>Titanquest 2
>The Goddess's Will
>Divine Divinity
>Torchlight (few of them I think)
And then the'res that 40k one, anyone tried it? I'd like your thoughts

>>737692413
>Why not just kick the hive and make a demon inspired on Christ?
The ending of the last expansion was Mephisto taking control over the body of Akkarat, so yeah that's literally what they did lol

>>737691223
that's because it was fixed when Paladin came out, duh

>>737693052
>And then the'res that 40k one, anyone tried it? I'd like your thoughts
I had some fun with, purely because it's one of the only 40k games that lets you play a sister of battle but god damn the controls and everything about it is so janky. There's also virtually no loot variety which is a shame but that seems to be a problem in 40k games in general since they have to stick to the lore.

>>737693136
I was so excited for the SoB class getting added but the stupid spin attack animation turned me off too much

>>737692849
It's a good looking remake of an excellent game, it also added a bunch of little QoL features that didn't compromise the game design
There is no reason why it shouldnt get higher scores than the slop that is d3/4 (which shouldnt get high scores to begin with) especially when it only launched for 40 bucks

Also all the reviews were saying it out loud that the reason for their score is because of how "outdated" the game design is, for not having features like free respeccing everytime you want
It's ridiculous how clueless modern game journos are about game design, still thinking limitations are just something devs couldn't figure out back then

>>737690496
>the people who got paid to play it early say its great
cool

D4 sucks ass, go away shill retard.

>>737693027
D4 will be dead in the water after this expac

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>>737693052
is POE 2 any less convoluted than the first? The idea that it would take at least hundreds of hours of playing POE before I could play comfortably without a guide really turned me off of it. Build guides ruin these games for me.

>>737693852
That’s what you said last expansion, and it set all time player records

>>737690526
fpbp

d4 bad

>>737694164
>That’s what you said last expansion
No, I got fooled into buying actually.

>>737694136
It's "simpler" in a sense that all the mechanics aren't available yet meanwhile poe1 is drowned in 10 years of feature bloat.

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>>737690496
>ONLY MEN
I couldn't care less about the latest woke slop mobile game.

>>737690496
There are no great arpgs dude, it's just absolute slop. There is nothing worse you can play, even gacha isn't as bad

>>737694546
>even gacha isn't as bad
bruh

>>737694546
>even gacha isn't as bad
lol

>>737690496
First expansion sucked balls, they never add anything fun or exciting to it. It costs waaay too much for the amount of fun you can get.

>>737694608
>>737694623
He isn't wrong. I would sooner play honkai star rail than path of exile 2. Poe 2 had a cool campaign but the end game loop is pure cancer because the devs think difficulty for the sake of difficulty is fun.

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>>737690496
Do people actually pay attention to early reviews anymore?

>>737690496
I still do not understand how D4 got raving reviews on launch. Every casual normie journo praised the campaign while I found it to be really boring. You never feel like you're getting stronger as enemies scale based on your level and you need like four uniques boosting your abilities before they start feeling fun to use, which at that point you've probably finished the campaing anyway.

>>737690496
>(((reviews)))
do people really?

>>737694776
Also fuck you jonathan for trial of sekhemas. Just pure tedium.

>>737694608
>>737694623
Why are you samefagging? That's absolutely correct and any sane person who recognize that.

>>737690496
>stop selling previous DLC
>sell next DLC at 2x the price and include DLC 1
>if you bought DLC 1 then fuck you, you're paying twice for it

>>737694849
>sane person
>gacha
lol

>>737694136
i'd say so, for now. though it depends on what spec, as some are are more unique like an typical RPG class that take a bit more understanding, and some are still like poe1 where its just +more [general good stuff] thats easy to apply.
i really hate the poe2 skill tree but it might be better if you want something more approachable without just following a guide. since there's no life on tree and limited scaling, like crit. you could just search for keywords based on what you are doing, look at some utility/sustain, and the tree will pretty much path itself.

>>737690496
they can't fix builder+spender or quantity over quality affixes

>>737694816
The level scaling was pretty bad but it was the first diablo canpaign I enjoyed following since D2. It's like a breath of fresh air since whatever D3 tried to do. The final level also completely beats whatever Act 4 in d2 was supposed to be.

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I stopped playing D4 after finishing the campaign

How was this expansion?

I liked the world bosses. DId they keep them in for the expansions?

>>737690651
If babys first ARPG is TL Inifinite then POO1 is also bays first ARPG, you understand that right

>>737694960
>You want to fight Mephisto?
>here, fight his dog.
>*credits roll*

They finally reworked the skill trees, I'll give it a try.

>>737694960
They did. I liked the nahantu areas but I didn't like how too long the dlc campaign was. It should have ended once you reached the durance of hate but apparently there's a couple more hours after that. It becomes a series of goose chases that quickly become tedious and repetitive. The grim dark aztec vibe on the kurast dungeons is neat though. My other complaint is not enough enemy variety. I dont know if poe 2 just spoiled me with all the unique themed enemies but d4 reuses the same demons way too much.

>>737690496
It has an even lower score than the pile of fucking shit that is D4, what the fuck are you on about

between diablo, PoE, victor vran, torchlight, V Rising...
i cannot bring myself to touch another game in the genre ever again. i am completely burnt out

That Diablo 2 DLC was so fucking cancerous I will never be tricked into giving Blizzard a single cent ever again

>>737694136
it's a very simplified version of poe yeah. They took out most decision-making as far as passive investment since you can really only get damage or defense on the tree now, and the gearing is much more basic now. Even the builds don't have as many interactions as before and builds basically come together with gem levels alone. So long as you get gem levels and a good weapon, you will have a solid time

which is kinda bad for poe1 fans since all the fun theorycrafting is gone

>>737694849
>>737694776
ok so this was you just baiting

>>737690496
>Early reviews say it's great
Yes and I'm sure those reviews weren't bought and paid for.

>>737694960
idk, people say that nothing fucking happened in it

>>737695167
What about it?

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>>737690651
>TL Infinite
what in the FUCK happened

>GGG announces an announcement tralier
>Blizzard dropping LoH

My biggest gripe with d4 was that they removed and homogenized the distinct personalities of characters from d2 and d3. Now every character speaks in the same monotone way. I hate it. I miss how fucking cocky the fem wizard was in d3, especially when she was voiced by azula herself.

>>737690496
>Early reviews

Nobody gives a fuck about the campaign, show what end game is like.

>>737695405
>torchlight 3 finally came out as an offline game
>aah nice, at least its going to be as good as 2 was, right?
>play the game
>combat feels like shit and the main antagonists are all black girlbosses
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING????? TORCHLIGHT INFINITE IS ACTUALLY BETTER MUCH BETTER

>log in to check out new stuff
oh it's not out yet. guess I'll try leveling a character I was working on. Haven't maxed a druid yet.
>free gift available
wazzat
>open free 'gift'
>character is forcibly boosted to 50, all gear removed and replaced with full uniques, skill tree overwritten with bogged default garbage, forcing a complete reset of tree and skill bars
oh.

>>737695506
They're basically the only real arpg competitors around. Druid was a flop compared to Paladin but we'll see. I am still waiting for Act 5.

>>737695563
>Check it out
>It's Chinese gacha slop
Fuck you
What the fuck happened to Torchilght? I loved 2

At least this new Diablo seemingly has fishing

>>737695598
I'm hoping GGG pulls out something really good for .5 (they won't). They're slowly losing everyone with their shit decisions.

>>737694136
what the other anon's said mate. I'm liking it specifically because I'm here at the start, so I'll get to know all the stuff and things bit by bit as time goes on. I found POE1 very overwheleming when I first played it because there was so much stuff and I joined quite late.
In regard to build guides I'm very much like that myself. I don't touch guides for anything (mostly) but I'd be cautious not to allow for all that extra time you're spending tinkering about to cause or contruibute to burnout. My compromise with my first playthough of ARPGs is to go ez dumb shit(necro in most game ticks that box). No guide, but I can focus on the game itself and then get into all the autism on my next runthrough.

>>737695602
im not lying btw, infinite is actually much better than 3 sadly, not saying you should play it

>>737690651
>diablo with waifus
how have I never heard of this?

>>737695665
They're taking way too fucking long. They promised to release last year and now they've already treated the game like a full release live service game.

>>737695753
Lost ark too anon

>>737695757
I really like how all the "ITS EA LET THEM COOK" people have disappeared.

>>737695753
>>737695602
>Has 20k ccu apparently
What the fuck. How did I miss this one?

>>737695837
they haven't left, they just isolated themselves to their /vg/ hugbox.

>>737695837
I really do hate people who cope like that. Every single game forum, especially steam, has fanboys who act like that.

>>737695886
You're not Chinese ig

>>737695927
Lmao what do you mean. /Poeg/ is like the biggest critic of poe 2 to the point that I don't think you can even talk about the game there since it also full of disgruntled poe1 players that just want GGG to fully focus on poe1.

How does the models for female paladin and warlock look? I might get it if they're hot.

>>737695943
EA is not an excuse for missing basic shit. Imagine if you bought and lived in a house and were like: "sure the house is missing all the doors, electricity and some walls but just imagine what it'll be in 5 years."

>d4
it's rollslop
>poe2
it's rollslop

>>737696120
>>d4
>it's rollslop

You don't need to dodge anything in d4 since you just instantly melt everything.

>>737696120
>make 1-button movement skill like barb whirlwind
>just move out of the way

I am excited! Work 50 hours a week, spend 5-6 lifting at the gym and this is my go to turn my fucking brain off, listen to some murder / comedy podcast and blast through a season on 2-3 classes type of game. I barely play games these days but have been playing deeblo since the 90s. I am sure POS2 is a much more in depth game but I cant bring myself to invest that type of time in a game anymore

>>737695804
I saw people playing that and it seems too hardcore for me

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>>737696050
Female paladin looks ugly. Haven't seen the warlock yet. Bought the VoH dlc purely because the spiritborn's entire wardrobe is just a bikini. I am sure the mesoamerica anon was seething.

>>737690651
>masses of eye candy
sell me on it. does it have a lot of cosmetics or does just the class screen look nice?

>>737696331
That looks really fucking gay.

>>737695753
>>737695405
>>737695886
i have no idea, the same thing happened to me. did not pay attention to Torchlight basically since the first, so in my mind it's sort of indie-ish, lightweight, fun little coffee break diablo-like. randomly heard about Infinite and figured why the hell not try it. suddenly it's some chinese gacha mobage with seemingly no relation to the old IP.
but yeah i mean apart from being an asian P2W mobile game, its really smooth and has hot chicks.

>>737695804
>Lost ark

That's a P2W MMO though

>>737696372
It does, class is fun though. Just go around gorilla punching mobs

>>737696360
It looks and plays like cheap mobile game

>>737690496
>B2P
>Cash shop
>$40 expansions
I'll just wait for the Poe 2 update.

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>>737696360
there are loli pets, character skins, and tons of characters in general with alt specs with alt looks. as far as i can tell only the latest character is ever paywalled / on BP? at least, it let me make anything at the start except for the newest character.

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>>737690496
i can't pirate it so i don't give a shit about it

>>737696476
For me it's jaguar. That jaguar leap ult and multi dash is so satisfying. Playing it and PoE2 back to back made me realize why people have been calling PoE2 too slow for an arpg. I still like it but it requires you to dump a ton of stuff into mobility just to not have to slog through the gigantic maps it has.

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Okay, I'll buy it.

>>737690496
I bought the ultimate edition on release, some how this didnt include the future expansions.

Fuck these money grubbers. D2 ressurected is a better game anyways.

>>737696545
aight i'll check it out. don't see a general anywhere for it tho

>>737696647
buttmad poorfag

>>737696676
One of those games that are only popular in asia. Kinda like naraka or where winds meet.

>>737696647
>some how this didnt include the future expansions.
What made you believe it would include them?

>>737696676
because it's on >>>/vmg/

>>737696757
I dunno, i got bored and stoped playing. So i didn't even know that the plot ended with a cliff hanger.

The point is the original game.was boring and shit, it is laughable that they would expect me to pay to improve it.

>paid shill only spams one blizz game at a time

>ok so what if Diablo
>but again
>and worse

>>737696984
Yeah, base game needed another year to cook. Once season 6 hit the game took off imo

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>>737690496
I just be bothered to care about D4. I do not like the direction that the team has taken the game in and has continued to take the game in.

I'm a PoE player, but unlike a lot of them I actually gave Diablo the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that as D4 has progressed they've tried to make the game more complicated as that is the biggest complaint people have. The problem is that D4's method of complexity is just this:
>"Okay, so we've gotten a few new systems in the game!"
>Crowd Cheers
>"First are Infernal Legions. Defeat Infernal Legions to collect Legion Shards which you use to upgrade your Legion Powers"
>"Second are Demonic Runes. Defeat Demonic Rune Masters to obtain Demonic Runes to slot into your Demonic Rune Slots!"
>"Finally, we've added Ancient Pledges. You just have to clear out the Ancient's Challenge to unlock favor, and you spend favor to get Ancient's Pledges to equip to your Pledge Slots!"
Essentially, their idea of 'complexity' or 'scaling the end game' is to add independent power progressions to your character that necessitate you do whatever piece of content is connected to them. It is poor game structure. It feels like busy work or a checklist. If you're a PoE player, it is basically if like there was State-Mandated SSF mode AND stuff like Oils could ONLY drop from Blight maps. Not even Blight in maps, but Blighted Maps. That is the Diablo school of design. It just sucks.

>>737690496
There's a new diablo? How old is the last one with the open world?

>>737697596
Its a new expansion for Diablo 4. Diablo 5 might be coming within the next few years though. They actually hinted at wanting to make the next installment sooner rather than support D4 for 10 years.

>>737697539
At least they're straightforward. Trying to explain Atziri temples or harvest without using a wiki is nightmare mode, and poe has literally hundreds of these systems; though it's true that they're mostly optional.

>>737692647
what's it like being a faggot?

keep seething faggots
d4 no longer bad
simple as

>>737690496
There's not really much to talk about, since there's nothing that's completely new. It's all just rehashed things from either D3 or other games, with a new coat of paint.

I'll play it and I'll play every season as well, but I'll be very surprised if any of the seasons manage to last more than a week. They'd have to change their philosophy entirely from what they have been doing for the past 3 years.

>>737697757
>Atziri Temples
Honestly don't know how these slipped past. The temple system reminds me of something like Synthesis which they never put into the core game because it sucked so much. I hope they are totally reworked for 0.5, as temples made me quit that league pretty early when they hyper inflated the economy.

But the real issue is that in PoE if you don't like doing something you generally just buy it or at least get some of it by doing other content. Most players never need to touch a blight map if they need oil. They either got some randomly from all the other content or they just buy it from someone who likes blight. That is what makes PoE so much better. You, for the most part, do what you want and then trade for what you don't want to do. That is why the end game feels more substantial because it is about choice/

>>737690496
I care, it's gonna be sweet. You think noone cares because you hang around trooned out blizzard haters and that's your whole world

>>737694903
>sell next DLC at 2x the price
Isn't true

>>737696331
>Female paladin looks ugly.
prove it

>>737697928
That's also true, the trading system acts as a work around for content you don't want to do. There's just so many systems in poe that involve too many steps or additional layers. the D4 additions are "want this, kill this guy" and the simplicity is nice. not having to reset maps to capture a specific beast for a specific recipe that may or may not brick what you're trying to do, meaning refarming that item and the the recipe again (and Einhar is one of the poe systems I actually LIKE).

>>737698240
it's not d3 crusader

>>737690496
I'm having a blast ignoring this gay shit game.

>friend gifts d4 on steam
>try to make rogue waifu
>cannot make waifu
>only manny tranny
>try backup pick
>necro
>can only make methhead femboy at best
>refund game
>tell friend to suck my dick
>go back to windrose
>LEAVE 'ER JOHNNY LEAVE 'ER

>>737698960
Aren't crusaders schismatics trying to deal with corruption in the faith?

>>737694960
The VoH campaign is overall meh. On the other hand, the newest campaign has received a lot of praise from gaming sites.

>>737690496
d4 is mindless stat grinding. there is a single boss in the entirety of the game where you actually have to pay attention
very little variety and easy as fuck

>>737699195
Pay no attention to people who get early access to new Blizzard content. They are bought and paid for.

>>737699190
it's been a while since I read about them but I think it was like "lol these pallies are faithless shitters let's go elsewhere to make true believers"
which is probably correct since the council and others ended up falling anyway

>>737690651
Wake me up when poe will get duelist or shadow

>>737690526
Is it worth it as a casual ARPG experience on a deep discount? PoE2 has too much reading and theorycrafting autism.

>>737699591
D4 is great for casuals.

Ill probably play it as Im a sucker for warlocks in fantasy games, but I doubt Im going to nolife it for longer than a month

>>737699472
I saw the review from the german site Gamestar and most of the time their reviews are good & accurate.

Except THE FUCKING Gothic 3 review.

>>737699806
You can complete the seasonal journey and get the mythics your build needs in a week.

>>737699771
brainrotted ones maybe

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I bought D4 when it was on sale, only for them to straight up not allow me to register my account due to anti-spam bullshit.

Quickest refund I did.

>>737699884
probably, but I enjoy fucking around and experimenting with builds without looking them up

>>737690496
>le quirk chinkgus sidekick character gets "killed off" in opening cinematic
guarantee she comes back in the final fight against ̶D̶i̶a̶b̶l̶o̶ Baal (whoops can't have Diablo yet despite being 3 games into Diablo 4) in some "epic" blizzard moment to save the day in some fucking weak unearned sacrifice + unskippable scene afterwards where all the other NPCs talk about what an amazing person Neyrelle was
Fuck Diablo 4. Could've been good but the story went to dogshit once it turned into constantly babysitting Neyrelle while she made one retarded decision after another. Level scaling was retarded and made it pointless to revisit zones in repeat playthroughs. Too much fetchquest bullshit. Randomly seeing other players due to always-online bullshit was annoying as fuck.

>>737690496
>used to love diablo 2
>played a lot of d3
>played a ton of d4
I think after all this time I realize that ARPGs are a flawed genre. Every gameplay progression mechanic funnels you into eventually optimizing all fun out of the game. And what's your reward for finally getting that last piece of incredible gear? The game becomes piss easy. At least D2 had fucking PVP, D4 is just a wow themepark where you mindlessly grind mobs with near-optimal gear until you finally get that perfect optimal piece, then shut it down until the next xpac/season comes along.

>>737696683
Your dads money is not your money, retard

>>737699483
paladin went west, crusader went east. dogmatic drift / corruption / heresy caused further split.

>>737700697
It is tho

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>>737690496
>It still won't have Diablo in it

>>737700953
So what?

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Will we ever fight him?

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>>737701031
>So what?

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>>737690496
D4Bad and 0.5 is out may 29th

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>>737701119
>It still won't have Diablo in it

>>737690496
What comes out in 2 days? Am I just supposed to magically know where that generic-ass demon concept art is from?

>>737701102
we still got Baal left, but we already beat up all the Lesser Evils
ngl we are as likely to fight angels after Lord of Hatred's campaign as Diablo and/or Baal, so buckle up for some true nu-blizzard horseshit writing about lilith being a good character and the angels are all super nazis

>>737699591
yeah, it you want a casual game to play with friends after work or with your kids on the weekend, this hits the spot.

>>737690651
>TL Infinite
END YOUR LIFE KEK
I will never forgive chinks for what they did to this franchise.

>>737701226
diablo no diablo 4

>>737701252
I mean, we still haven't actually taken on Diablo yet, but I don't think we ever will. I was jestermaxxing, but Tathamet will never be fought, and if so, it'll be retarded / not actually him.

>>737701252
>lilith being a good character and the angels are all super nazis
This is exactly what its about. The far left have taken over Blizzard.

>>737701252
That would be retarded, unless they're corrupted, and sure, fuck it.

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Trust the plan meine Freunde. Spin 2 Win will return!

>>737701305
I thought Diablo 4 came out several years ago. Did it get delayed until now?

I saw a picture where necro actually gets like 15+ skellies now

>>737701446
its another shitty expansion to fleece shit eaters who still play

>>737701489
Oh, I see. I'm surprised it got any expansions. I've literally never met someone who played it and I never see it discussed anywhere online.

I like D4 because I get to feel and look cool while playing it

>>737701102
Wasnt that what D3 Diablo basically was?

So when does this usually get on sale?

>>737701442
Dance of Knives is already here, and you aren't stuck with Barbara for it.

>>737701524
it's probably making them more money with 2 expansions and all the cosmetic and battlepass stuff than d3 got them with the rmah

>>737701442
>hoodie with no hood but still has drawstrings
techwear was a mistake

>>737701597
Are you asking when a D4 expansion that launches in 24 hours usually goes on sale?

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>>737701597
like 3 months after the expansion gets shit on by everyone

>>737701597
Same time Steam has quarterly sales. Blizzsoft has been aping their sales for a while now.

Have they changed the HIDEOUS mobile game ui and overall artstyle?

Or the way skills have 0 weight to them

>>737701775
lol no

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>>737690496
Anyone wanna do a blind hardcore expert playthrough with me?

>>737701775
no <3

>>737701775
>Or the way skills have 0 weight to them
Why the fuck would you want skills to have weight to them in an ARPG?

remember when one of the first gameplay trailers made it out so you could have impact on the world
build and expand a camp and shit

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>>737701798
>>737701852
Welp
>>737701856
Because its fun? Look at poe2 skills in that game feel good to use?

God fucking damnit the UI looks so soulless

>>737701927
I hate how so many games don't have the option to turn off the controls plastered on everything
like I'm not retarded. I'll remember what the buttons are after 10 minutes

>>737701927
>Because its fun? Look at poe2 skills in that game feel good to use?
PoE2 skills feel like absolute ass when they have weight to them, which is why everyone attempts to get away from that shit as fast as possible through speeding through leveling and getting to their builds that focus on making combat feel less sluggish.

>>737702052
What on earth are you talking about

i like d4 quite a bit

>>737702076
Every single PoE2 build focuses on getting away from sluggish and slow animations as fast as possible. The goal is to explode screens as fast as possible by obtaining certain gear, skills, thresholds, etc. so that you can click one button that instantly wipes out everything, completely bypassing the entire "muh weighty attacks" thing you desire to experience.

>>737701927
>skills in poe2 feel good to use and definitely aren't the same weightless buff/combo/triggerslop
in D2, when you press an ability, something happens.
in d3, there are some stupid buff abilities but that's mostly barb and DH and for the most part, button press does thing. the buffs at least feel substantial, worth pressing.
in d4/poo2, when you use an ability, something Might happen. probably a resource generation or a minor number buff.

>>737702361
I still think lucky hit is one of the dumbest things ever

>>737696757
Ultimate usually means it has everything, complete and final

>>737690496
Comes out tomorrow in America. 4pm West Coast Best Coast time. 12am in Bongland.

>>737701557
Nah, he was still just cucked fleshbag then

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In case you're interested, or a Catholic player, the return of the Paladin in the new expansion is the most significant addition.

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>>737701927
Isn't that the alternate UI? Mine looks like this

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>>737702987
Wrong pic

>>737702921
Well, technically the Paladin has been available since December for anyone that preordered. So the most significant addition is actually the Warlock class.

>>737701442
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about Whirlwind Barb? Why does it HAVE to be the bestest build ever? It’s so fucking boring, when it’s “good” all you do is hold down a button. Shit like Walking Arsenal with HoTA or Upheveal is way more fun.

>>737690496
Damn, that nigga sure is DIABLO from the DIABLO game

Have they shown off what warlock body 2s look like? I hope they have tits.

>>737703115
>all you do is hold down a button
A ton of people love that shit though. For the past 20 years there has been tons of people who just want to hold down one button and kill everything. Most endgame Path of Exile 1 builds also evolve/devolve into just holding one button.

>>737690496
How can it be great if the game in it's current state is a 2/10? What the fuck, oh wow it's a 3/10 now, GOTY, fucking Blizzdrones can fuck themselves with their trooner games

>>737702361
>>737702275
jesus christ guys

>>737703262
>in it's current state is a 2/10?
D4 in its current state is more like a 6/10. The expansion will likely make it a 7/10. Stop acting like a hyperbolic woman. A 2/10 game would literally be something that's nearly unplayable.

>>737703262
If D4 is a 3/10 then Poo 2 is a 1/10

>>737703382
>a 2/10 game would literally be something that's nearly unplayable.
exactly?

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>>737702361

>>737703415
Retard.

>>737703415
D4 is perfectly serviceably playable. it's just boring.

>>737703464
Does any arpg actually have interesting gameplay?

>>737690496
My favorite part of the D4/PoE 2 discussion is when people say they love how PoE is more in depth and offers so much customization, but then just follow a metaslave build from whatever jewtuber they watch. I do wonder how many people actually make a fully unique build with no input from outside sources. Maybe 0.1% of the plyer base? Maybe less?

>>737703532
No Rest for the Wicked has more souls-like-ish gameplay. Lost Ark also had interesting combat and boss fights, but it was ruined by being a gook MMO with pay2win shit.

>>737703532
not after I'm done with it

Project Diablo 2... This is the answer. I've been playing Diablo since the late 90's and PD2 is hands down the best incarnation of Diablo I've ever seen. Been playing since season 10. The QoL upgrades, build balance, new skills that are thematically consistent, economy, new endgame content, etc. Seriously, once you go PD2 you'll never go back

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>>737703532
This is the pinnacle of ARPG gameplay

>>737703691
grim

d4 is boring it's literally a brainless bing bing wahoo number go up simulator there's no actual difficulty any illusion of difficulty is just because you numbers aren't high enough yet
the fact that you can nuke bosses without them even able to do mechanics unless they have artificial invincibility phases should say enough about the game

>>737703743
>the fact that you can nuke bosses without them even able to do mechanics unless they have artificial invincibility phases should say enough about the game
The genre really look at the riveting gameplay of this game >>737703464

>>737703605
>more souls-like-ish gameplay
ew

>>737690496
>>737690526
Diablo is mephisto now
>>737690584
/thread

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>IGN
>Kotaku

>>737690496
too little too late

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Play the superior ARPG

>>737703464
>pressing 5 (five) abilities before holding left click
thank you for the supporting argument

>>737703232
Those kinda builds existing is fine, good even. I just don’t get why they HAVE to be the best. They HAVE to be the CORE of this class. Everything should ALWAYS BE ABOUT WHIRLWIND, etc.

>>737704225
The expansion isn't out yet

>>737703691
kek talk about looking like a mobile game

>>737704225
>almost summer and still no fucking date for the expansion
nah fuck crate for being a bunch of faggot retards. their first estimate release for FoA was literally 2024. How the fuck do you fuck up a delay by 2 years and still don't have a fucking date. Incompetent fucks

>>737691565
Same. The price was something retardedly high, too.

>>737704302
to a footfag, everything should be about feet.
this does not mean such an opinion has worth.

>>737704435
Watch Titan Quest 2 become a fully released game before FoA comes out.

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Can anyone explain this phenomenon where a game is somehow the most popular and successful one of its genre yet it has no organic discussion or communities? It's like someone building a huge city that's completely devoid of people.

It baffles me that devs keep designing these games around "throwaway ultra-easy campaign that you just supposed to rush through to get to the real meat of gameplay that is an endless grind endgame", rather than just having a good campaign with 3 well made difficulties

Diablo 2 still having much better player retention than d3 or d4 proves that people would rather just replay a well designed game that actually ends after a couple dozen hours than to keep endlessly grinding a never ending endgame withoit any particular challenge to work towards and overcome

>>737704612
90% of current D4 players are just casuals and "gamer dads" who play for 1-2 hours every evening on their console. They have no desire to talk about the game because it's just a way for them to unwind.

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Any other Rend+Rupture Barb enjoyers here?

>>737704767
There are plenty of other games that do exactly that yet have no issues with creating communities. It sure is strange that the "biggest ARPG ever" can't scrounge up two retards to talk about the game.

>>737704904
>It sure is strange that the "biggest ARPG ever" can't scrounge up two retards to talk about the game.
Are you some schizo who is convinced that D4 doesn't have any players and never actually sold 10 million copies or what's going on here?

>>737704767
playing 2 hours of vidya consistently is not a casual gamer
most people with lives don't have more than 5-6 hours a week to spend on vidya lmao

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>>737705090
10 million copies and yet you can't sustain a general thread. Blizzard has always been very good at marketing and deception.
So yes, I am saying your astroturfed game is fake and gay.

>>737705218
not him but gta online is significantly more popular than any arpg and has a 70 reply thread that's been up for 2 days on /vg/

basing game popularity around /vg/ generals is so insanely retarded that I question how you don't forget to breathe

>>737705218
>10 million copies and yet you can't sustain a general thread
How often do you see general threads for CS, Fortnite, Roblox, GTA V, RUST, PUBG, etc.?

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>>737705352
Oh well certainly the most popular ARPG in existence that sold 10 million copies should have at least a thread with a single post then.
>Nothing Found
Weird! So weird that this ultra popular game that sold millions has no community surrounding it. So strange!

>>737703743
Isn't poe 2 basically the same thing at the end of the day

>>737694356
>>737694928
>>737695232
>>737695670

Sounds like it might be for me then. I don't trust Blizz enough to drop $70 on d4 + expac so it might make more sense to buy poe2. I just know they'll ram it up the ass with more systems in the future, though.

>>737705218
if it was astroturfed, wouldn't it have a constant presence?

>>737705487
>D4 is so shallow and hollow that only normgroids and third worlders play it. Anyone with an IQ above 80 doesn't want anything to do with D4 as it is utterly beneath them.
Ok, got it.

>>737705496
I have 3 quick questions for you:

Do you believe that USA went to the moon?
Do you believe that the Earth is round?
Do you believe that vaccines are good?

>>737705803
Off topic. Here's a question: Where is /d4g/?

>>737690496
I really don't care about the flared-nostril-token-non-JP/CN/KR-asian female and wrote off D4 entirely.

>>737705771
The only time you see D4 threads on /v/ is when it's marketing season for the newest paypiggy slop.

>another /vg/ tranny has escaped containment to shit up /v/ threads

Uh oh marketer melty

>>737690496
It's a Blizzard game, why should anyone be excited anymore?

>>737706107
diablo 4 made 666 million dollars.

>>737705842
I just went to /vg/ and did a quick CTRL+F for games like PUBG, Rust, Counter-Strike, Roblox, R6 Siege. I couldn't find any general threads for any of them.

According to your schizo logic, this must mean that those games have never actually sold well, or been popular in any way, and it's all just fake.

>>737705914
>people talk about a game when there's a new big update/expansion coming up for said game
NO WAY, HOW CAN THAT BE???

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/d4g/ is on /vm/ just so people know.
This is neither positive nor negative to diablo4 and its popularity.

>>737706276
>/d4g/ is on /vm/ just so people know.
Uh oh, you have destroyed the schizo's argument. I wonder what his reply is now going to be.

>>737706135
in the first 2 weeks

>>737705914
I guess that's why there's been 400 RE threads a day for the past month. got that grassroots :3 in me

>>737690496
D4 was shit when I tried playing it on release, and I can't be assed to care. Once in a while a random D4 season overview video makes it into my algo and it's mostly complaining about issues with seasonal powers, content rushing you into endgame as fast as possible, or yet another endgame activity becoming useless.
I enjoyed D2R Warlock, taking a break from the game for now (played a lot during the season), probably gonna try focusing on magic build next season after the nerfs because it's the only one of lock builds I didn't try at all.
I should probably roll a random class on PD2 in meanwhile, the new season started.
But fuck D4, not touching that.

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>>737706276
>>737706347
Alright let's take a peek then. Surely there's some lively discussion happening for the most popular ARPG that has ever existed.
>over a month old thread
Grim
Grim
Grim

>>737690496
>>Nobody cares
It's Blizzard in 2026 anon.... People are right not to care.

>>737706459
>most popular ARPG that has ever existed
no one is making that claim but you

>>737706135
Why should a player care how much money a game makes?

>>737706529
d4 sold 10 million copies

>>737692647
While I’m pretty sure I agree with your overall sentiment you articulated this in such a homosexual way I’m struggling to find a way to properly make fun of you in a single post.

>>737706529
No one cares, but this schizo guy here is somehow convinced that D4 was never a success and doesn't actually have any players at all. Blizzard is somehow just pumping out skins constantly and now 2 expansions for a game that doesn't have any players.

>>737706634
>somehow convinced that D4 was never a success
Weird that you're more concerned about whether Blizzard made a profit rather than the game being good

>>737706719
>Weird that you're more concerned about whether Blizzard made a profit rather than the game being good
Now you're just inventing things in your schizo head again. Seek help.

>>737690496
didnt diablo 4 come out like 5 years ago?
does anybody even play it anymore?

>>737706817
D4 so popular that no one is talking about the actual game but instead just shills puffing their chests over sales figures and playercounts

>>737706894
See >>737706817

oh he's a pajeet that makes sense.
D4 is dogshit thoughever.

>>737690496
The disconnect between how cool the trailer is and how boring the game looks is hilarious

>>737706894
Are you so mentally ill that you're unable to recognize that YOU are the one who started talking about D4's popularity and its success first? You can just look at your very own post right here >>737704612 to see that you initiated those talking points yourself.

>>737707087
Weird that no one is talking about your game in earnest. Not a single legitimate fan.

d4 bad
d4 dogshit

Tencent shills panicking

>>737707206
Yeah, you are definitely severely mentally ill.

>>737707302
And you're done. I accept your total and humiliating defeat.

>>737707364
If you want to see total and humiliating defeat, just go take a look in the mirror, or look at the state of your life.

>>737705218
>>/vm/d4g/

>>737708354
>has to flee to /vm/ because it takes literally months for their thread to reach post limit
lol

>>737696120
t. never played the game

>>737694356
>meanwhile poe1 is drowned in 10 years of feature bloat.
POE1 is by far the best ARPG on the market, and 10 years of content is a huge reason for it.

Anyway you have to have some kind of a brain defect go get baited by blizzard this many times with "this fixes diablo 4" shit. Literal retards.

>>737704612
Blizzard always makes up numbers to appear popular. They claimed HOTS was the second most popular MOBA, millions of players ahead of Dota 2, right until they discontinued all development on it.

>>737709898
HotS was f2p right? It didn't have as aggressive monetization as LoL or the free revenue stream from Steam to keep afloat so I can see that. People keep forgetting, but Blizzard is still fucking huge despite not reflecting in Steam CCU because most people playing it are still on Bnet.

>>737710241
yeah no
when blizzard started hiding wow subscription numbers after cataclysm we all knew why it happened

>>737710321
I don't know. When Overwatch 2 relaunched I was able to plat ranked games in under 3 seconds. Yet the steam numbers would make you think it was dead.

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>it launches tomorrow if you buy the 100$ headstart

>>737710528
>I don't know
What the fuck do you mean you "don't know", you fucking shill? Subscription numbers went down after WOTLK and it embarrassed Blizzard, they've been hiding their dwindling customer base numbers since.

>>737710623
So your argument changed from
>Blizzard is not popular they just make up numbers
to
>WoW is losing players

? You've lost the plot.

>>737710529
There isn't a headstart though there's plenty you can bitch about d4 bad thougheverbeitbychance

>>737710529
It doesn't have any paid early access you fucking lying shill

>>737710832
I posted an objective fact, you posted some gay anecdote. Fuck off retard.