The story, the characters, the origins system, the music. So good.As a stand-alone experience it's one of the best RPGs of all time, just ignore the complete rape of the setting in the sequels. They aren't real and can't hurt you.
too bad bioware decided to turn it into m*ss eff*ct by game 2oh well, rest in piss canada's finest
>>737708165shame veilguard flopped so hard
honestly DA:O is almost a perfect game, any sequel past the first one does not exist.
>>737708249Shame Dragon Age 2 didn't flop harder
If anyone had actually played Awakening (one of the worst piece of shit DLCs ever created) then "Dragon Age 2" wouldn't have been shocking to anyone. Well, at least watching Bioware decay over the course of the 2010s and their complete and utter collapse later was pretty fun.
>>737708165I'm currently replaying it via RPCS3 because using a controller is comfier.
>>737708490origins was almost finished before EA bought biowareEA added the DLC salesman in the game which you see when you travel between locations In the original version you could unlock all the DLC by going into the ini file and setting dlc=true lol it was ALL on the disc at launch
>>737708249The only shameful thing is what they did to this series. The second, third and fourth game completely lost the vibe that carried the original. It was a low-fantasy gritty Game of Thrones esque setting but it turned into high fantasy D&D trannyslop.
I'ma be be honest and say Origins is a 7.5 at best. It is not that good. It is not RPG royalty.
I still get chills when I listen to the main theme.https://youtu.be/oWFEVbfCcOY
>>737709150lol the comments
>>737708165Probably my favorite game of all time but I fear to replay it knowing I will inevitably have to go through the sloth demon bullshit again.
>>737708165It's barely an RPG, let alone one of the best ones. You follow a fairly linear path with small deviations and most of the time your roleplay amounts to either>Yes/Yes but more money/Yes but I'm grumpyor it's>Do I want faction #1 or faction #2 to win?Don't even get me started on how crappy the companion system is, or indeed the companions themselves. It takes only the most "it's a videogame"-brained retards to come up with a scenario where you come across a gorilla nigger who sperged out and kill the entire family that saved his life and go "Let's recruit this guy to our cause!"Bioware was never a good RPG developer. These are adventure games at best.
>>737709596>it's not an RPG because of <arbitrary limitation that disqualifies 90% of RPGs>Every fucking time someone opens their mouth to talk about how a game isn't an RPG nothing but shit comes out
>>737709687>It's a roleplaying game!>Look inside>Fuck all roleplaying>But muh appeal to the herd! The herd says adventure games are roleplaying games!You are transgender and brazillian.
>>737708165It broke for me and I don't know why. I was playing the steam Ultimate version, it's been running fine after doing the 4gb address upgrade, FINALLY after all these years got a second monitor, game now crashes on startup. Fucked with ini files, disabled second monitor, launch not in fullscreen, launch as administrator, even bought the gog version on sale, nothing makes the game not crash on startup. Does this game just schizo out if you so much as have a 2nd monitor plugged in? Keep in mind way fucking older games like HoMM3, made long before 2 monitors were the norm, work fucking fine with 2 monitors, it just mouse locks you to the one the game is playing in.
Baby's first RPG
>>737708165>The story, the characters, the origins system, the music. So good.Gameplay omitted for honesty. A lot like ME1, good worldbuilding from that era of bioware but mid gameplay.
I had two "canon" playthroughs of this game"Evil":>Human noble, male>marry Anora -> keep Loghain alive -> exile Alistair -> have Loghain sacrifice himself at the end -> become king of Ferelden Bit of an anti-fable but very satisfying. And honestly quite a good ending politically speaking for Ferelden too."Good":>City elf, female>sell out the girls at the start of the game to get raped and take the money -> Alistair romance -> kill Loghain -> have Alistair marry Anora and end the romance -> self-sacrifice ending to kill the Archdemon Tragic love story, redemption, it's great. Alistair feels more like the main character of this one.I also liked male dwarf noble into letting Behlen rule just for the surprise on his face when you show up again and are like >hahha well played little bro, no hard feelingsBut my problem with it was it felt really detached from the rest of the game, once you had Orzammar settled dealing with the Blight felt more like a side-quest.For the other origins, I did not care much. They didn't seem so interesting to me.
>>737708165>rtwptrash
>>737710383Honestly, I'd take Origins' gameplay over the shit from the latter games.
Is this still borderline unplayable on pc?Crashes all the time constantly Of all the shit they keep remaking why not do this
>>737710671True, except the latest whatever the fuck it is called technically is the best for gameplay. It's a shame the rest of the game is dogshit. Also even that isn't all that great.
>>737710907Wasn't that a beta issue with a memory leak?
>>737710465Mage is the canon origin. Play it or miss out.
How much of this thread do you reckon is one extremely mentally ill individual
>>737708165This may be an unpopular opinion, but this is one of the games that I would like to play with DLSS 5
>>737711081It should be but sadly it's not, and even more sadly the origin Gaider picked as canon is the single worst and most boring one but it's also the one that has the least number of contradictory events with other stories (it's Dalish Elf)
>>737708541It's 17 years of this awful ritual posting :|If all you like is awkwardly designed xbox rpgs after over a decade and a half it's time to find a new hobby.
>>737709596>Yes/Yes but more money/Yes but I'm grumpynot him but, can you name some rpgs that actually do it any differently?
>>737710907Need the 4gb ram patch lil gup
>>737710974Gameplay in that game is for braindead retarded niggers with no mind for tactical gameplay, KYS fag.
>>737711186>Gaider picked as canon is the single worst and most boring one but it's also the one that has the least number of contradictory events with other stories (it's Dalish Elf)Eww what the fuck?!?
Play Pillars of Eternity, OP.
>>737711407No, the 360 era was the last gasp of the industry. Maybe you're just a bad person.
>>737711186Dalish Elf has the most "poetry" behind it. It starts with an Eluvian, it ends with an Eluvian.
>>737711742It has almost no connection at all to the main plot.
>>737711806It does however have a connection to that fucking stupid mirror that comes back in 2
>>737711668Not op but PoE is absolute dogshit.
>>737709262
>>737709596>>Yes/Yes but more money/Yes but I'm grumpyYou dint play DAO.
>>737709596>It takes only the most "it's a videogame"-brained retards to come up with a scenario where you come across a gorilla nigger who sperged out and kill the entire family that saved his life and go "Let's recruit this guy to our cause!"This happened all the time irl, historylet
>>737711717You're the reason video games are bad. Name an NES game that plays like Dragon Age. Clearly it belongs to the "other", ie a shitty movie game from when normalfags shit up the industry.
>>737711668I hate godslop. I prefer more grounded stories.
>>737709596You are a gray warden recruit and you just witnessed all of the ferelden gray wardens get wiped, you and another dork are the only ones who can kill the archdemon, So yeah i would recruit that powerful gorilla nigger to help us defeat the darkspawn.
>>737712131You are a bad person.
>>737708165Correct, it's pure soul. I still get the urge to replay it once in a while, even though I know it like the back of my hand.
>>737708165I couldn't get into it.The setting felt generic, and the art design of the armor is really lame (important to me, I want my character to look cool). The combat is slow and boring as well. That's just me though. I tried to play it twice and got like 10-15 hours in each time. I think I even got passed the Fade and just wasn't enjoying anything about it so I put it down.
>>737712551>the art design of the armor is really lame (important to me, I want my character to look cool)I'm rather weird in this regard but I actually liked how non-flashy it was. More akin to historical armor. Idk I just find glowing magic shoulderpads the size of your head really off-putting.
>>737712709That's a confusing response to me. The armor doesn't look historical at all, to me it looks more like your latter description of bizarre Warcraft/Warhammer inspired armor.
>>737712786Eh, it's not over-the-top. Nowhere near the fantasy biker-gear aesthetic it went towards in 2.
>>737711081Human noble, warrior, romance Morigan, make Alistar marry Anora is canon.
>>737712551It sounds like you would unironically enjoy Veilguard, go ahead, anon, grab your favorite crayons to snack and start playing Veilguard!
>>737713000This looks so fucking bad lol, but we just have different tastes I guess. No interest in trying the sequels because they look like total shit.
>>737712786Huh? Most of the most high end armor in the game just had small embellishments. Only really ridiculous armor was the Blood Dragon Armor and that was promotional
>>737712551>The setting felt genericThat's kind of the point. It takes generic tropes and subverts them.
>>737713040All that expect make Alistair sole ruler, Why would you cuck him like that and make him a powerless consort to a used hag kek.
>>737713083This >>737713000 looks stupid and ridiculous to me.
>>737713138Because he's a retard and Anora is cunning bitch that can actually hold Fereleden together.
>>737711501New Vegas is the closest one that actually has fun gameplay.>Most dialog is very dry, which ironically helps roleplay because most of the time you can interpret the same dialog with different tones.>Most of the roleplaying is focused on choices and consequences for them, rather than flavor dialog.With those two you actually end up with A LOT of room to roleplay starkly different characters instead of just having good guys, bad guys, and clowns. I successfully managed to roleplay a stilted autistic psychopath who is evil not trough villainy but through a sheer robotic disregard for the comfort and survival of anyone but himself, as well as a hyper-extremist lawful good vigilante who never told a lie in his entire life and never will.
>>737713235Have you ever seen IRL armor at all? A lot of it looks fairly sillyI agree with the other anon, you're crying about Warcraft armor to try and place your opinion as the "correct" one but in reality it's very clear you have no idea what you're talking about and are bouncing off the armor entirely because it isn't populous design
>>737713138he deserves to lose his virginity before the calling>warden is male and cant romance him>probably doing the ritual with morrigan as well
>>737713000Looks like WoW armor honestly. But there are other armors that don't look over the top. Nice trips though.
>>737713406You're making up some random strawman to argue with for whatever reason. I don't think all armor needs to look historical or that DAO armor looks 1:1 to Warcraft. I was just responding to Anon's own descriptions.I just think the armor looks like goofy shit and it contributes to ruining my enjoyment of the game. It has nothing to do with "being correct". I wish I liked it like you guys do.
>>737713235It's just plate armor. The only thing you could say about it being ridiculous is it's slightly too bulky compared to real armor suits.
>>737713398Well yeah, new vegas and bg3, these are the newer go to games that actually branch, Witcher 2 has a 2nd act that's unique to a big choice too that comes to mind. But people always talk like there are these ancient pre DA:O amazing rpgs that had branching narrative choice, but they just don't exist. My naive ass thought that since it was mostly text-based that meant they crammed in more narrative splits in older games, not so.
>>737713379He changes when make him hardened (kek) he is a much better ruler then.
>>737713503Juggernaut armour, warden commander armour and cailan's armour all look sick.
>>737711974>Wake up, my city elf child, time for your arranged marriage!>Ugh, I don't wannaaaaaaa...>It's tradition!>UGH, FINE, I GUESS, HMPHIt's worse than me not having played the game. I used to be a rabid fanboy of it with probably a double digit number of playthroughs until I grew up and realized what it really was.>>737712245You would do it because you are low IQ.>The guy who tore into people that saved him will surely fight on my side because I'm the main character and he's a recruitable companionYou didn't even go through the whole song and dance of securing him in restraints to make sure you can keep him under control and only let him loose during fights, like, ironically, exactly what Qunari do with their mages, putting them into restraints and sewing their mouths shut and doing all sorts of shit to them that makes them barely usable as cannon fodder. You just let the guy go free and hope he doesn't rape you while you're asleep. Fucking hell, he literally betrays you during one of the quest lines (I don't remember which location, maybe the one before Andraste's temple) and you have to duel him because he tries to assume command over the squad by force.Fuck you, nigger. Die, nigger. I hate niggers.
I always actually kinda liked that there was one type of leather armor and it looked frumpy as shit. It fits the setting, DAO was a very "down in the mud with the pigs" kinda fantasy setting
>>737713561That does look better. I have nothing against extravagant armor really, I'd wear pic related. These just look cooler than the shit in DAO. I dunno it's subjective aesthetic taste, not like I can explain it in words.
So what do you guys think would human commoner (aka wildling) origin look like of it wasn't scrapped?I bet it would be somehow connected to the Haven village.
>>737713571yes, wrpgs diverged dramatically from what they were pre-2010
>>737713571>and bg3Still thy tongue, scoundrel.>But people always talk like there are these ancient pre DA:O amazing rpgs that had branching narrative choice, but they just don't exist. My naive ass thought that since it was mostly text-based that meant they crammed in more narrative splits in older games, not so.Honestly, they could be the best RPGs (in the ROLEPLAYING sense) on the planet and I would still not consider them worth my time. I tried to give classic fallouts a chance and the combat is just awful. There is no meaningful roleplaying when it comes to your gameplay, you're not gonna play an energy weapons user from start to finish, and even if you could - the combat system is just rudimentary. It's all talking with no good gameplay, and if I wanted to just read, I'd probably read a book.
>>737713965What's so bad about the combat? You just target and shoot in turns. Fallout 1 is my favorite old CRPG (pre-2000s).
*is the best written villain in any video game ever*
>>737708165poor mans BG1/2
>>737714190That doesn't look like Renoir Dessendre to me
dwarf noble > city elf > mage = human noble > dwarf commoner > dalish elf
>>737714190Saren gets my vote when it comes to BioWare villains
>>737714330For me its Revan, you were the villain all along, cinema.
>>737714330Eh, he's well voice acted and had presence on screen but his backstory is just that he accidentally got mind-controlled.
>>737714435But Revan is an hero
>>737714106>You just target and shoot in turns.And that's it. If I'm playing a turn-based game, I want it to feel strategic, I want to have stuff to do, skills to use, positioning to take care of, etc. Otherwise it's like I'm back in 1st grade where we would for some reason take turns beating each other instead of fighting properly.
>>737714516Nah
>>737714443>well acted and had presence on screenLiterally the most important thing for a villain to have
>>737714624I like that it's simple I guess, because the more strategic CRPGs I've tried I hated the combat. I don't like controlling every party member either. I haven't tried every CRPG though so if you have suggestions go ahead. But for example I hate the combat in all three Baldur's Gate games, the word that comes to mind is "clusterfuck".
>>737714443>Amazing VA>Shit backstoryMany such cases.
>>737715015>it's not a heckin sad depressing backstory so it's shit
>>737714271.
>>737714190Loghain, on a good day, is a national hero. He was not having a good day during the game.
>>737714190>villainDon't fuck with another man's dog, total Orlesian death besides Gaspard.
>>737713561>>737713884What games even have armor like this? Darklands?
>/v/ glazing Dragons Age Origins instead of having to pretend it's just "okay" Finally
>>737708165it's a not very good RPG carried hard by the writing and world building. the combat and class customization just is not very good sadly, Mage is the only class with any kind of drastically different playstyles. itemization is also quite boring, it's like they were afraid of making actually good and strong weapons like the ones in BG2.
>>737715462If you mean actually historical armors, then Kingdom Come.
>>737715526I've seen mixed opinions on the game since it came out. Some people love it or hate it or think it's okay.
>>737714883Most old CRPGs also suck gameplay-wise. I don't have CRPGs to recommend, but if you want a cool game with a cool turn-based combat system, try Horizon's Gate. Lots of skills, shitloads of classes, every class is actually unique with its own skillset, and numerous means of hybridizing said classes. Probably one of the most fun turn-based games I've ever played. Granted, you'll have to separately control 5 party members.
>>737715536>it's a not very good RPG carried hard by the writing and world buildingYes it's true, but that is also what is most important to me in an RPG. BG3 for example I thought had very fun gameplay but the story imo was quite bad, so overall I was lukewarm on the game.
>>737715585Tried it, hate the lock-on combat. Would have preferred it to play like Mount&Blade.
>>737715526I think those that love it, played it when they were children and never played any other rpg or if they are 80IQ and can't get into anything more complicated than mmo combat. Having said that, I liked dao. Its sequels being far worse elevated it beyond what it deserved in a way by contrast though
The game also had some really bold choices you could make that its sequels or really any other games don't replicate. Like name one other game where you can make your custom character the country's fucking king.
>spam cone of cold>win
>>737715940that's fair, I quite like character customization and interesting itemization so in the case of DAO vs BG3, it's BG3 no contest. Also helps that the multiplayer experience of honor mode is really fun. DAO is a decent time, but if it had BG3's writing while retaining the DAO systems I'd never finish a run of the game.
>>737715940The characters in BG3 are the most obnoxious pieces of shit ever conceived in fiction.
>>737708165The gameplay is pretty bad, which is the most important part, unfortunately.
>>737716613I agree but also the plot is all over the place and unsatisfying. It feels like they're just making up shit as they go.
>>737716613You have not watched many tv shows friend
>>737714330ME1 was my favorite by far. The Reapers felt the most mysterious and threatening in that game. ME2 was mostly a pointless piece of shit and ME3 was disappointing in many regards yes but at least it's not as fucking boring as 2, the plot is going somewhere stuff is happening.
>>737716397for me its storm of the century. mages were really fun
>>737717139ME1 should've been the end of the reapers. put them so far out into deep space that it'd take a bazillion years for them to fly back into regular space, that way taking out the relay in the citadel would've really saved the galaxy for a very long time. each game could've been like an arc of Trek, with a new villain per game. could dial back the consequences of choices to affecting only your crew too, having to manage them and their interpersonal conflicts.
>>737717262Nahh. The Mass Effect setting IS the Reapers. Without them it has no hook. It's teethless.And if you then try to introduce another big bad of equal magnitude then you start running into the MMO clowncar problem of apocalyptic events every other Tuesday.
>>737708165I loved the expansion area and I'd have killed for an MMO just set in that area and down into Fereldan.But now I see what MMO's become and what the world is now, and now I don't really want anything but to just sit with my memories alone.
>>737717530>the mass effect setting IS the reapersME2 is the like the most loved game in the trilogy and has basically fuck all to do with the reapers until the ass end. The setting is the characters and the galaxy, the Collector's as the main threat in 2 are easily retooled to just be a species that collects genetic material for the sake of their own evolution/continued survival instead of being the bad justification we got for the terminator boss fight. even stuff said to be made by reapers is also easily retooled to actually be prothean tech. The insistence on staying on the reaper plotline is what doomed the franchise, instead of writing new interesting stuff they were stuck following up on villains that worked best as a mysterious unknowable foe.
>>737710107have you tried opening the game from the .exe and not using the launcher? that worked for me steamapps/common/Dragonageultimateedition/bin_ship the click on "daorigins"
https://youtu.be/Zd5cTR3PVQ0?si=07qk8wmtzTSZUQf5
>>737708165Dragon age the veilguard is better
>>737713965The desperation of one's character made it really satisfying to go up in powerlevel in the og fallouts, where you go from sucking to actually demolishing, but while you can abuse corners and such in certain situations it's mostly a trading game and about how many stimpaks you brought with you. ...I guess that's why Todd and bethesda gang liked it so much they wanted to make their own. Hey oh *drum roll* gottem
>>737715015>>737715156The elf connection felt so out of nowhere, they literally have zero presence in those games, but suddenly I'm supposed to care about the elves and their tree and how he fucked it up or some shit. Would have made much more sense with a drow connection or something actually relevant to the games.
>>737717769>villains that worked best as a mysterious unknowable foe.Yeah, it was always so strange to me, because they so clearly understood the appeal of cosmic horror and how to make Lovecraftian stuff good and ended it appropriately. Taking out the lone reaper scout at the citadel was the equivalent of killing the Cthulhu cultists before they could summon Chthulhu for real. It's too similar for the writers not to have talked about the principles of whata makes it work...but then again they did actually have us converse with the great old one, they had us kill it and they ended the game with "when the reapers come we must stand together and drive them back into dark space!" so maybe this was always the plan.
>>737717139>ME2 was mostly a pointless piece of shit aonly the lack of reaper progress and the soft reset of everything sucked, but all the worldbuilding and characters that you met were great and set up the good stuff in 3 that also wasn't about reapers.
>>737716113>and can't get into anything more complicated than mmo combatthis is such a dishonest opinion, why do you guys act like the combat isn't as good or better than the older crpgs? have you actually played those?
>>737714190>Ah, yes, "Blights", I have dismissed that claim.>AHHHHHHHHHHH, SAVE ME GREY WARDEN
>>737716347I thought it was really cool that you unlocked specialization classes by encountering them in the world, it felt so much more like some real adventure shit than just filling them out after you got a level.
>>737716671as compared to what? all party wrpgs have shitty combat
>>737714190Except it wasn't even of his own volition, it was the Executors that made him do what he did.
>>737709596>>737709857>the role of the main character isn't vague enough and I'm not allowed to just do anything I want>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIt isn't pen and paper, you retard. They give you as much room as they could with a mostly-defined story and development time and its up to you to choose and commit to *playing* *a* *role* that fits in there. What you're doing is like bitching that the dungeon master won't let you be a chaotic neutral dickass derailing what they prepared for you.
>>737721867I did that's how I know dao combat is ass. You must be a pleb with shit taste if you think it's in the same league as any other rpg, especially the older ones that have peak rpg gameplay but I guess it's too complicated for a smooth brain
>>737715156Nah, fuck off you hack. Magical mind control/brainwashing is the absolute worst character motivation possible. Way below things like "doing it because it's funny" or "being a complete idiot who thought killing random people would help".
>>737725090>my ultimate collection of sekrit old perfect games that are so much better than this popular crap but I won't name them for fear of backlashevery time. you know if you mention the old infinity engine games you will be lambasted for all the prebuffing and ridiculous kiting for one
>>737708165>I'm not not smart enough to read a book but this video game is a masterpiece *Yawn*the opening sentence of Moby Dick has more soul than this boring ahh game
>>737708165I like the sequels. It's a great trilogy.
The way that arcane warrior was implemented sucks ass. I built my own using console commands. Start with a warrior, console add a spell after character creation, then remove talent points when adding a spell instead of a warrior talent after levelup, and add attribute points at each levelup to put into magic. I built mine as a tank taking 2H talents for Indomitable and 2H Sweep etc, then high threat spirit spells. It works out to be fun and fair since you aren't as immortal as an arcane warrior, still need to put points into dexterity which sacrifices strength-based damage and you give yourself enough magic to be functional (I think I did 2 per leveup until level 10 then 1 per levelup after). But most importantly you aren't built entirely around sustained abilities that consume your entire mana bar so you can start a fight with some high threat spells that otherwise don't see much use.Look at these dipshits charging into the room of a noblewoman who was sleeping gloriously naked...
>>737725617...totally unaware that she had the ability to make them explode with spirit magic.
>>737708165The only thing that bothered me is how mages were the only fun class to play. Everything else was painfully boring.Also, if you played on higher difficulties, the amount of micro managing your units was insane.You had the option to automate it, but certain actions in game would break it. For example if an enemy was knocked out or stunned, your unit that was targeting it would just stop attacking it so you had to do it manually. This happened several times throughout some fights, with multiple characters.
I've dropped DAO twice, once back near launch and one just last year. The way characters move in combat is incredibly sluggish compared to Infinite Engine games, or even like the modern RTwP CRPGs like Pathfinder. Maybe Hard isn't balanced around not knowing what characters or classes can/will do yet but man the Redcliffe ghoul shit felt impossible to me.
>>737725391Moby Dick sucks. Half the book is the author just copy-pasting Wikipedia articles.
>>737725820It's expected that Redcliffe villagers die. Unless you're talking about inside the castle in which case you're supposed to be doing tactical stuff in chokepoints. Bring a mage with glyph of repulsion if you have to.I've also dropped DAO multiple times because it kinda drags in some ways/sections and some mechanics don't work out how you expect and shit on your build.
>>737709596>YOU HAVE TO SIDE WITH THE TEMPLARS OR THE MAGES>side with one>NOOO YOU'RE SIDING WITH THE TEMPLARSthis fucking game
>>737708165The issue is you can only be a mage if you have a mage origin, despite the conceit of the game being the many different ORIGINS that you can have. Which means effectively one class is gated off unless you constantly do the same origin again and again.What were they thinking?
>>737725848Yeah, but back in the day you couldn't Google whale stuff, so you had to scour libraries for any information on whales and whaling in books, that might have nothing to do with such things and aren't labelled as such. A master work of autism
>>737708165i tried replaying this a couple months ago. everything about it holds up except the combat. i wish to God it was just turn-based. i got through the first 10-15 hours before i just turned the difficulty down to trivialize every encounter because i wasn't having fun with the RTwP system. then like two days later i just lost interest in playing altogether.
>>737722070trvke
>>737722191Begone, DEMON!
>>737716347Fable games
>>737725391I was literally just fucking reading (a book!) right now however
>>737722070>>737726392You two should fight to the death in an arena to determine who has the correct opinion.
>>737716113The contrast to this is that those who hate on it make an irrelevant comparison to "better games" that DAO is not meant to compete with.
>>737715381A fellow reader of the books, Michelle isnt too bad either. But Celene and Brialla are definitely getting the rope.
>>737708590Isn't awakening the one where you become the head warden and recruit new ones? It was a tiny bit boring, but I don't remember anything wrong with it.
>>737730474Its a meme. All Awakening does is make you absurdly OP and has you recruit a bunch of dudes who are written at various levels of endearment. Oghren is the worst offender as he basically regresses back to a giant manchild if you did his quest. Nathaniel Howe is interesting if you did a Human Noble but otherwise he means nothing. Anders is alright until DA2 ruins him, Sigrun is ok. I don't remember anything about the crazy elf bitch other than her being voiced by the woman who does Azula.
>>737708490Only the graphics are really bad, it's a good poster child for drab western rpgs. Makes up for it by having some great character designs.
>>737708165A genuine masterpiece. Even their sadistic and intentional murder of the series produced a good thing. DA:TV is an undeniable example of how wokescolds will ruin anything we allow them to touch.
>>737711742That's my canon Origin. The actual correct one
you already made me play dragon's dogma, im not falling for this shit again
>>737725141>Magical mind control/brainwashing>character motivation Who are you talking about?
>>737732564Why didn't you like Dragon's Dogma?
>>737726942turn based DAO would be agony considering how many trash mobs they'll throw at you.
>>737731324anders is the singular thing DA2 did right, fusing with a spirit of justice and living in mage oppression city was naturally going to result in radical action.
>>737712709There's also a nice side effect of the armor design that you'd only notice after multiple playthroughs. The design of each armor is the same between tiers, only the color changes to differentiate higher tiers. An experienced player can tell exactly what armor an NPC is wearing by sight alone.
>>737715536That's just a major skill issue on your part. You're just ignorant and talking out of your ass. DA:O has a very deep and complex system and you can make all kinds of builds for all the classes by manipulating your stats correctly. I didn't even level a single weapon skill until level 15 on my last Rogue. I used stealth, bombs, traps and pets instead.
>>737725617They did the same to me. No civility or politeness from Howes' men.
>>737733226I'll admit I've never really played a rogue, mostly I just turn Leliana into a ranged buff-bot so she can be somewhat useful in combat while also being my party's skill monkey. otherwise I stand by my opinion, only 3 classes with no multi-classing and extremely boring itemization make the game even less involved build wise than BG2.
>>737726942but... RWTP is turn based, except you control the speed the turns take. It is the perfected version of turn-based and lets you use actual teamwork tactics.
>>737716113Origins has a lot of problems but as far as "modern" RPGs go it was pretty great when it came to player choice and reacting to your decisions. There weren't a lot of options that really filled that particular niche until BG3.
>>737733558Right.. I'll just stop here. DA:O itemization is great. You can find all kinds of powerful items with good abilities. You can make all kinds of different builds with a big list of different skills for all the classes and specializations. It even has weapon swapping to allow this even further
>>737732815retconning him as a flaming homo was a bad choice. It was really dissonant with his original womanizer characterization.
>>737734043all kinds of powerful items, like +2 strength. maybe even +1 to attack. amazing, groundbreaking stuff.
>>737734151Or paralysis or the ability to cast spells with a sword. You don't know what you're talking about, remember?
>>737732743couldn't be worse than Owlcat games. lol
>>737734584>or the ability to cast spells with a swordthat's every sword anon, just need the strength or magic (with combat magic) to use em I'm pretty sure. Like I have the spellweaver on my arcane warrior and all it does is +5 to magic, has some spell resist and mana gen, and a wee bit of lightning damage. iced and telekinetic are spell effects outside of the item. >or paralysisparalysis is a rune, meaning every weapon with slots can do it, instead of being a unique aspect of a small pool of weapons or even singular weapon. The Flail of Ages in BG2 is a big deal because it's the only weapon that has the slow effect on hit, making it more unique from other weapons and therefore gives a good reason to build towards flail weapon mastery to use it effectively. not to mention the multiple damage die it rolls, all doing different elemental damage, a thing also unique to it. This is what I mean by boring itemization, unique functionality for items is extremely limited in DAO, where the bulk of magic items in BG2 all have something that make them stand out from others. The Spellweaver is "unique" in that it's like the only sword to offer mana gen and spell resist, but otherwise is wholly unremarkable.
>>737712242>I hate godslopSo does Pillars of Eternity.
Awful game that was only notable because of the RPG drought of the time and because Bioware took so long to release it. It's far worse than all the classic CRPGs and also worse than all the modern revival era CRPGs.
>>737712551>>737713000The only thing I thought was a little goofy about the armor in Origins were the massive pauldrons. They're like Football shoulder-pads on steroids
>>737735117>>737734584Here is the starfang, the best one handed sword in vanilla DAO. it gives 3 dex, +3 to damage rolls and has +2.5 armor pen. that's it. it is a stat stick with 3 slots, which I of course slotted paralyze into, it gives a whopping %5 chance to proc and is basically entirely negligible and a waste of the slot when I can just stun entire rooms with my mages. I would've been better off just slamming 3 elemental runes in the thing to maximize damage.
>>737734584>>737735117>>737735339now let's shift gears and look at the band of the mystic scoundrel from BG3 shall we? it is a ring that does as follows>After hitting a creature with a weapon attack, you can cast illusion or enchantment spells as a Bonus Action.this works really well on Bladesinger and Hexblade, as they are very good at melee and spellcasting. couple this with something like The Helmet of Arcane Acuity, which boosts spell attack rolls and spell save DC by +2 per weapon attack, now you can attack with booming blade, become a better spellcaster then cast hold person on an entire room of people easily.This is interesting itemization, with just two pieces of gear I can now play my class in a drastically different way than before. the items have both synergy with each other, but also specific subclasses.
>>737735265It counts as a CRPG, you can just zoom in into people's faces and zoom out to make it look axonometric. That and also making it more streamlined than anything in the market because Bioware wanted to go beyond asking for D&D licence to make Neverwinter Nights/Baldur's Gate without getting the license. But look at Bioware now, it's completely gutted and relegated to a support team for fucking FIFA.
>>737735117>that's every sword anon,wrong you must sheathe a non-staff weapon to use a spell. Thus spellweaver makes a significant change in gameplay.>just need the strength or magic (with combat magic) to use em I'm pretty sureRight, because you can build your character in any way you want. No matter the class.>>737735993>See, now you can hit people and then cast a spell as opposed to earlier when you have to hit people to avoid using spell slots, then use a spell once the slot has been conserved enough. I know what you mean though. There is a very limited and specific version of build crafting that you accept and it is restricted to turn based 5e combat.
>>737736774>wrong you must sheathe a non-staff weapon to use a spell. Thus spellweaver makes a significant change in gameplay.man for someone who wants to talk a big game about ME not knowing things you really are clueless. specific spells cause sheathing even with the spellweaver. https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Arcane_Warrior_spellcastingeducate yourself>>See, now you can hit people and then cast a spell as opposed to earlier when you have to hit people to avoid using spell slots, then use a spell once the slot has been conserved enough. I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here>and it is restricted to turn based 5e combat.my first post about itemization namedropped both BG2 and a specific weapon from BG2 anon.
>>737708165Never played it due to being a Witcher fanboy at the time, and the sequels made me avoid it even more. Can it be played as a standalone game, or would I have to play the ones with the trannies to get the full story?
>>737737705DAO was originally made with the idea that it was gonna be a one off thing, with the epilogue slides going pretty far into possible scenarios because as far as everyone knew it was over, until it wasn't.
>>737737705What the other anon said, but DAO is the only entry in the series worth playing anyhow.
>>737737705It's essentially its own thing, there is nothing in-game even hinting at a sequel.
>>737738140eh the DLCs/awakening expac do because by then they had the notion that a DA2 would be happening, but vanilla game is completely un-tethered from all that.
I can't mod this game any more, I wouldn't say no to a remaster I could pirate but BioWare is pure gay ridden aids cancer these days
>>737713913Yeah and would be kinoThey all are, except for the gay dalish origin lmao
>>737714190>MUH ORLESIANS
>>737727425The specialization anon is right. Unlocking hidden subclasses in the world is great. But forcing every mage to have the same origin is retarded. Could have just as easily made it so all origins fit all classes. Kills replayability
>>737738187>>737738140Yeah, killed myself at the end 16 years ago and never looked back
>>737709596>These are adventure games at best.Accurate, the RPG mechanics themselves are why people called them "console RPGs". I still enjoy this game, but what I enjoy most about it are the setting, characters, lore and story. I can't honestly argue that it wouldn't have been better as a movie, visual novel or television series because the gameplay actively takes away from my enjoyment of the video game.
>>737738689it'd still be lesser by losing out on the interactivity of player driven choice I think. but the combat really is just boring
>>737738187They literally don't end up doing anything with the plot thread of the DLC
>>737738391>remasterThis is one game I wouldn't mind a remake of. The graphics were bad, even for a game of that time it doesn't look great. Compare it to Mass Effect which is visually gorgeous and doesn't have as many issues with ridiculous contorted facial animations and having the characters be drenched head to toe in a cheesy blood texture every other dialogue. The gameplay could definitely be improved if they made it more complex, the skill tree is bare bones, herbalism and poison crafting could be expanded upon, the encounter design could be improved and the linearity of the dungeons removed. It's funny to me that the sequels dumbed it down even further. It's slowly transitioning from being almost a functioning RPG to visual novel, (though I wouldn't touch veilguard with a 10 foot pole.)
>>737739038sure but aspects of multiple DLCs tie into the later games, Anders, the hunt for Morrigan and the ritual baby are the two big ones. The architect is also the first instance of a Tevinter Magister turned darkspawn, which is further explored in DA2's DLC and eventually DAI's main plot. these bits are intentionally laid out as sequel bait, where the base game really didn't have much sequel bait at all.
>>737739232I said remaster because they would fuck a remake too muchNeither will ever happen. They'll release another turd, maybe promise it to win back favor but back out and release more turds.I'm convinced EA keeps them around for humiliation purposes because studios have died for less failures then BioWare's.
>>737708165>Such an insanely good gameGod no.
>>7377392962 was going to be a DLC for Origins but then the "we want the Call of Duty audience" dementia kicked in and they shat out 2 really quick. They were in full CDPR derangement mode at the time, wanting to steal the audience. I fondly remember shitting up the BioWare Social Network I made this gem
>>737739437Hire someone other than bioware to make the remake, the only reason we're still seeing DEI garbage is because the video game market hasn't caught up to the woke religion being dead and everything currently being released started developing years ago when you could still milk those initiatives.
>>737739650>full CDPR derangement mode at the timeCDPR was actually successful though
>>737740094I mean bioware was seething at CDPR and the fans were deranged against it because it was too white male
>>737716397Yes. When I finally acquired cone of motherfucking cold game went from fairly challenging to walk in the park. Especially revenants flip from miniboss to a bit stronger mob.
>>737708165It has some really shitty sections though and parts of the story are a bit retarded. I think a lot of people really overstate how good the characters were but the game gets a pass cuz of dumb chad paladin and sarcastic sideboobs carrying the game. Overall great game though.
DAII is kinda better thoughbeit. Well not really but think about it. Name another RPG that isn't about stopping the big bad. Name another RPG that takes place in a city over years and years and focuses on the player survivng and making ends meet as a refugee instead of le cool adventure. Name another RPG where your companions have their own lives and their differences culminate in a fight to the death instead of le epic speech about our putting differences aside for the greater good!Da2 is rushed but pure kino. The fact that normies and redditors shit on it due to the "recycled" areas while ignoring everything great about it only further cements its status as a flawed masterpiece
>>737742832>RPGDA 2 is more of a visual novel.
>>737708165Fuck yeah.Dragon Age Origins was so good.
>>737714190>hmm world is doomed unless I help in this battle>guess I'll run away like a bitch
>>737735284Massive shoulder pads on armor was just a mid-00s thing.
>>737711742Thats my canon PC in DAO and DAI. I just like the idea of the race that everyone shits on producing the gigachad hero that saves everyone.
>>737742963>Blight hasn't happened in ages to the point where some people think those were legends >This "blight" starts with a pathetic number of Darkspawn Blights were seen like global warming, an excuse for Grey Warden globohomo to suck up funding and infiltrate kingdoms.
>>737709150Brings me back and gives me goosebumps. DAO is the game I used to detox from WOW and MMOs in general.
>>737742832>DAII is kinda better thoughbeit.Stopped reading right there.
>>737742832KOTOR but the year progression was just dialogue changes in DA2 , felt cheap as fuckI will shit on DA2 until I die
cool, nice to see the dao thread still up after getting my sleep buff.
I think I played a Rogue once (and maybe didn't even finish that playthrough) and on all my other playthroughs I played mage
>>737742832I really didn't like the tone of the game. The music, character models, combat speed, hammy dialogue options (literally everything except for diplomatic), etc. all made it seem like the game was one big joke and led to what we saw in Veilguard.
>>737708590>got BTFO and ran to blueskys after thisfucking kik pos
>>737714190He's literally just an asshole
>>737744638Name a single thing wrong with Jewish you Nazi POS
>>737746028Oy vey, the goyim are sassy
>>737745846You don't understand the depth of his character.
>>737746197>OH GOD LOGHAIN HELP MY ENTIRE ARMY IS BEING RAPED TO DEATH BY THIS GIANT HORDE OF MONSTERS THAT YOU CAN SEE, YOU'RE LITERALLY RIGHT THERE PHYSICALLY VIEWING HOW THERE IS A HUGE MONSTER ARMY OBLITERATING ME>naw man that's not real, I'm gonna move half the army back to the capital, surely this horde of monsters won't also destroy that half
>>737746256Shouldn't have shit on his father's legacy and betrayed every single veteran of the independence war against Orlais.It's actual insanity what he was doing, imagine if Thomas Jefferson had attempted to rejoin Britain.
>>737746518Yeah imagine if the USA had an alliance with Britain (i.e. what Cailan was actually trying to do), that would be crazy
>2000 years later>no RTWP CRPG uses DAO/XII AI script coding system It is still ahead of its time. I remember how on release people called it "casual console shit unlike real HARDCORE CRPG like BG2" LMAO.
>>737746590What Cailan was doing is attempting to form a personal union. If he marries Celene then their children become heirs to both Ferelden and Orlais, but what happens in these scenarios historically is the smaller partner (Ferelden) is just subsumed into the larger one.He was also gonna do this after divorcing Loghain's daughter, which is a huge middle finger to the man that essentially won them independence.
>>737746694POE2 does
>>737746757So Loghain let the entire royal army die against a threat he knew he couldn't defeat later, all because of petty grievancesThanks for conceding that he was just an asshole, like anon said.
>>737746767I don't believe you. Though I know it has proper TB unlike Pathfinder half assed TB.t. currently replaying POE1 in TB
>>737746843It does. It's nothing like the "select from 2 shitty premade AIs" system of 1Can't comment on the TB though, I only played both of them in RTWP
>>737708165No it's an insanely bad game and you would know that if only you actually enjoyed video games. I can't believe this piece of shit got threads beyond a month from its release, and even that would be generous. Move on from this shit game. Or better yet, this shit genre. Or even better, return to reddit so I can discuss GOOD games with the very few non-retards remaining on this board.
>>737746694>RTWP CRPG>ahead of its timelmao. This shit was a noose around Dragon Age's neck, the first three games you would always hear "at least the story's good"There's no greater example of why RTwP should stay dead and buried than this series
>onimai avatarfag do not reply there is a reason why he was banned from 8cuck and /vrpg/
>>737747001>did that trash encounter just take less than half an hour? this is shit!
>>737708490/thread
I played it once and it was buggy as shit. The AI scripts didn't work at all, they'd just stand around.
>>737747001Nah. AI scripting is the reason why it was the best RTwP. "There's no greater example" is nonsense.
i'm so glad rtwp is deads to spit
>>737746256>>737743256This. Cunt can literally see demons raping the other army in front of him with the castle on fire.
>>737746808If you talk to him he justifies it by saying the situation essentially was already fucked because of the delayed signal and he was not gonna risk the lives of the bulk of the army, which was with him, especially not for Cailan whose imbecility landed him in that situation in the first place after he refused to listen to Loghain's advice not to go with that strategy.Gaider wrote blogspots defending Loghain, you can look them up.
>2026>Morrigan is still the best girlTsundereGODS won so hard.
>>737747009I was not banned. I willingly left, and even if I was, I had ways to get around it. But I shan't ever be returning. I explained to /vrpg/ over and over again what games weren't and weren't good, ad nauseum, but they were too stupid to accept the truth. It's a huge part of what convinced me that all RPGs are ultimately for casuals and to ditch the genre completely. And 8moe had the janny problem of /v/ but even worse somehow. Just gracing those places with my presence feels too good for them. Like covering a piece of shit with gourmet seasoning. Kinda like how I'm debasing myself by participating in this thread.
>>737747260Gayder also wrote about how the fans are stupid entitled manbabies for expecting Leliana to be dead in DA2 when they literally cut off her head in 1I don't give a shit what he says
>>737747048Turnbasedfags can get in the bin too. Veilguard combat all the way>>737747094There's also a behavior mode you can change. Some of them are broken and cause issues like that, changing to aggressive usually avoids it
>>737747351>Veilguard combatYou mean the combat that's like Mass Effect? Where combat plays out in real time but you have an active pause to use abilities? It incorporates both real-time gameplay and a pause, what could we call that? Hmmmmm
>>737747385Dishonest Turn Based with Real Time
>>737708165Is it okay to get started with DAO as my first Bioware game to play?I already have KOTOR, Jade Empire and both Baldur Gate 1 and 2 in my library, but I'm more fan of medieval fantasy and interested trying out Dragon Age first>>737708490Is DA2 really that bad?
>>737747385This is just gay semantics. Although I'm curious what you'd classify kotor combat as
>>737747456>Is DA2 really that bad?The only good part of DA2 is Varg moment
>>737747479The thing with KotOR was that when two units are engaged, they take turns hitting each other, right? So it's clearly RTWP (real turns with pause)>running away from Bendak Starkiller on my level 2 run while chucking grenades
>>737747456KOTOR and Jade Empire are more console RPG adventure games.KOTOR plays itself and the first game is kinda vanilla adventure. You just play it to experience actual kino (KOTOR2 with all patches) later. Though KOTOR2 plays itself too. This is for the better because kotors rtwp combat is very meh.Jade Empire is kino and the only bioware game with harem ending.
>>737709150So weird. I've been rewatching Shogun and the theme hits a couple of notes that are also in this theme, so my brain keeps switching to DA music. Other than that, haven't really thought about DA since the last shit show came out. But then I open this dumb site and see this thread. Might have to give it another playthrough.
>>737747456>Is DA2 really that bad?Yes. The mages vs templars conflict is extremely retarded since your family and possibly even you are mages and the templars are portrayed as literally hitler, killing and raping mages constantly just becauseMeredith be like>ughhh what other option do I havewhen her underlings are doing pic related and she's walking around with a RED LYRIUM sword for years driving her insane that somehow no one noticed
>>737747456DA2 was a rushjob. There's no real helping it. What good ideas it had were great, but with just over a year of dev time, there was no chance of it succeeding.That being said, it's still better than anything that came after and retains the overall Dragon Age feeling of the first.
>>737747902The enshitification of the setting started in 2. Remember that fucking Qunari lesbian elf DLC? And the aesthetic shift...
>>737709596>compares choices to Fallout 4>misses out on every single decision that locks you out of certain dialogue options, romances, as well as siding with factions who LITERALLY end their rivals and change the story.You are a fucking nigger commenting on a game you never played.
>>737733615even so, it is a very... messy way to approach combat. i much prefer my turn-based games to function more like board games, because that feels more elegant and precision.
>>737747750check to see if Inon Zur does the Shogun music. Whenever i play fallout 3 i get the urge to play dragon age 2
I enjoyed being able to make battle plans with the squad, telling them how to react in what situation etc. Any other games like that?
I judge rpgs by how good they let me play a thief. This gets a 6.5/10
>>737750189Yea, that's a fair rating for thief gameplay.
seeing and playing the dragon age 2 demo back then was blackpilling as fuck
>>737750189more like 9, pickpocketing is there, stealth is there, backstabs are good, plenty of subclasses, disarm traps. The whole package. Rogues and stealth is usually a lot worse. In bg1&2 you can multiclass them to be broken with high level spells, but here you can just move them in position backstab and forget and they'll keep backstabbing.
>>737750361>thieves are le backstab simulatorsYou just don't get it. The class was better when their combat utility was 0 but they excelled at everything else when it came to navigating urban settings.
>>737750418But they have all those utility skills as listed in addition to backstabbing. Forgot to list lockpicking as well. A lot of other games do just have the backstab assassin thing with no utility which is boring, but not the case here so don't know what you're talking about, what more could you want from the clas here?
>>737750418>the class was better when it was trash
>>737750337kek I remember abusing the console in the demo to spawn in events and NPCs. People thought the meredith red lyrium stuff was a fake bad MS paint job
>>737708165one of the most overrated trash ever made
>>737708165I couldn't get past the dogshit combat
>>737748774Nah its that nine inch nails guy who isn't reznor. I knew immediately in episode two when he used a specific synth growl that is ONLY in his movie scores.Zur is god tier tho. I often go back to his fo3 ambient exploration music.
>>737750549kek, these faggots are just shitters with garbage taste, clinging to crusty old games that don't actually hold up. DAO is top tier vidya.
>>737735993>not mentioning swords bard, the caster that basically exclusively deals in illusion or enchantment spellsAttacking 4-8 times and then locking something down with a DC fuck you spell means you can even bypass legendary resistances.
