Boomers won't admit that this was one of the worst designed controllers of its era.
>>737710091Boomers knew it was one of the worst designed controllers practically from day one.
You had to have three hands to use it as well as an Xbox controller.
>>737710091Nigga most people from that era skipped Nintenslop entirely.
none of the games used the d-pad, and the z button functioned as an alternative L button since you obviously couldn't use the real L button8 buttons and a joystick, it was fine.
The grip is good and the analog stick is placed appropriately so you can hold you thumb in a resting position unlike with Playstation controllers until this day. The best controllers are on the Saturn though even if I find the 3D pad's analog stick a bit too imprecise. It makes up with analog triggers and an excellent d-pad.
>>737710091Never touched the dpad and the joystick would eat the shit outta my thumbpiece of shit
>>737710091It played 2D games, simulated a pistol, and for girls it could be used as a dildo if you bought the vibrator addon.
>>737710091I get why Nintendo designed it the way they did - if the joystick thing didn't work out then you basically had a fuckhueg SNES controller with extra buttons to work with. What I don't get is why they never redesigned it after they learned that the joystick very much worked out.
>>737710431>Never touched the D-PadKirby 64 and Mischief Makers used it. Beyond that, uhhhhhhhhhh
>>737710379Plenty of games used the D-Pad, but no games use both the D-Pad and the analog stick except for one gimmicky minigame in Pokémon Stadium. Every game manual has a diagram showing whether the game uses the middle prong or the left prong
>>737710614i think most of the fps on the system had an option for dpad + control stick.
yep it's gaming time
>>737710091could be worse
>>737710091It has multiple play styles you retard broccoli head.
>>737710612All the AKI wrestling games.
>>737710091You had to have been there, just having an analog stick was impressive at the time. It put it ahead of the base PS1 and Saturn controllers, but the dualshock and Saturn analogy pad were better than the N64 controller.
>>737710898How is that worse? Mind posting yours?
>>737710612>Beyond that, uhhhhhhhhhhOne of the control schemes in Perfect Dark and Golden Eye and Turok used the D-Pad, I'm pretty sure.
>>737710898That controller used hall effect sticks(so did the Dreamcast). Sega was too based of a console manufacturer.
>>737710091it wasn't great but I do think games designed around it play the best using it. The banjo ports to Xbox are perfect examples of this, I think.
best controller coming through
>>737710091>He didn't have 3 armsKids and their inferior genes
>>737710898>t. never used itIt's a very comfortable controller to use.
>>737710091I love so many N64 games, it was my childhood. The controller is ass, buy yourself one of these.>retrobit controller>summercart for all my favorite ROMhacks like Smash Remix, Paper Mario tTYD 64, the fixed Space Station Silicon Valley, Super Mario 64: Star Road, Duke Nukem 64 multiplayer modIt is gaming time.
>>737710091I had one of these. It was almost decent but the problems are obvious at a glance.
>>737710612Pokemon Stadiums too
I don't know a single person my age group who wouldn't have said as a child and adult this controller is retarded.
>>737710898This is a great controller it looks goofy but it's essentially a Dreamcast controller without the awkward VMU cutout/lump, 6 face buttons and the GOAT Saturn dpad
>>737710091That's because when it launched it was the best controller in the market.
>>737710898This is better than the Shit64 controller in EVERY single way.
>>737710379I don't know what it is about the Z button, maybe the location of how it's angled, but I've always felt that it was the most comfortable trigger button I've ever used.
>>737711323not really
>>737711253It also doesn't have the cheesegrater Dreamcast analog stick which is imo worse than the N64's analog stick without the excuse of being the first.
>>737711467Name 3 things the Shit64 controller does better
>>737711329Yeah it was greatOnly the dreamcast controller was as good imo
>>737711323The N64 stick is better for precise movements imo. Then again the Saturn offered some really good and cheap arcade sticks if you needed that sort of thing.
>>737711513Played better gamesWasn't Sega brandedWas Nintendo branded
>>737710091It was kinda easy to use for me since I grabbed the middle part with my cock, but when I went to my friend house to play I realized that I was the only one that could do that.
Why? It was just fine for the games on the system. So far I just read people complaining that their hand is too small or their fingers too sensitive. Like what?
>>737710091It was the worst controller of its era, except for all the other ones.All controllers of that era sucked but the N64 at least had a control stick.>b-but 3 armsThe design is intended to let you choose whether you want to use the control stick or the D-pad for movement controls. You don't use both at the same time.
>>737711880>Why? It was just fine for the games on the systemAnything would be fine because the N64 has like 5 games. Maybe less.
>>737712241>All controllers of that era suckedPS1's was goated.
>>737712241>All controllers of that era suckedA tendie made this post
>>737710091We can't have nice things like this anymore.
>>737710091The D-Pad is practically useless
>>737712273>>737712325The dual shock controller was great, but that came out years later. The original PS1 controller was trash.
The console the controller was made for was also badly designed>>737712460The original controller was perfect for the majority of the games designed for it which is 99% of every game for the platform, the games that actually require the analog sticks are not many
>>737712460The original PS1 controller is perfect for non-3D games and tank controlled games.The Dualshock is better for 3D games.The N64 controller is worse than both.
>HOW DARE YOU TO CRITICIZE ANYTHING MADE BY NINTENDO ?!?!>WE HAD A BUMP LIMIT THREAD DISCUSSING HOW GREAT 007 IS DESPITE THE VASELINE FILTER, 15 FRAMES PER SECOND AND TERRIBLE FIRST PERSON SHOOTER GAMEPLAY MECHANICS>EVERYTHING BY NITNENDO IS THE GOAT NO MATTER WHAT>REPENT AND START BOOTLICKING NINTENDO RIGHT NOW! >NOW! NOOOOW!!!
>>737712325>>737712625That grey is so sexo
>>737712601>>737712625It's just an ergonomic SNES controller
>>737712757And the SNES controller is also very good.Unlike the N64 controller.
>>737712854N64 controller in the D-pad configuration is basically the same as a SNES controller, but with 2 extra buttons. How is that worse? Just because it looks silly?
>>737712625>The original PS1 controller is perfect for non-3D games and tank controlled games.It's just a worse Saturn controller with the worst d-pad of the generation.
>>737713067>2 face buttons instead of 4>plus an additional 4 useless "camera" buttonsIt's a fucking abomination mate
>>737713067>Just because it looks silly?You now realize why N64 and the Saturn 3D pad get hate threads. Not a single retard posts the controllers they allegedly hate because they've never used one.
>>737713469>"camera" buttonsRetardIt's basically a six-button controller
>>737713730>It's basically a six-button controllerIt basically isn't.The C-Buttons are DEDICATED camera buttons because Nintendo was too retarded for a second analog stick.
>>737713469>2 face buttons instead of 46 face buttons
>>737713893>The C-Buttons are DEDICATED camera buttonsNo they aren't.
>>737713893A fairly large chunk of the library doesn't even use the C-buttons for the camera.
>>737713893Bruh, C buttons are used as normal buttons in tons of games.
>>737713893>too retardedDual analog didn't become a standard until about 5 years after the N64 released. Even Sony had no fucking clue what they were doing with the Dualshock until the PS2.
>>737713893yeah I vividly remember using the C-buttons for the camera in OoT and Majora's Mask. If you're going to shitpost atleast do your homework.
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>>737710091Everyone knew it was terribly designed anon. Now the Gamecube, that was a beautiful controller. The most ergonomic controller ever made by one of the leaders in the console wars. I'm unfamiliar with the litany of 3rd party shit available so I'm adding this caveat so that an autist doesn't melt down at me because I didn't buy some discontinued chinese controller on aliexpress 10 years ago.
>>737714120My point still stands.
>>737714120>one gameIt varied depending on the game. Zelda used the C-buttons for equipment. Similar to how the D-pad is used in modern games.
>>737714217>>one game
>>737710091Americans really psyopped an entire generation into believing this piece of shit console was anywhere close to the same level as the PS1 and Saturn. Glad people are finally waking up.
>>737710091>Boomers won't admit that this was one of the worst designed controllers of its era.
>>737710898>could be worseBEHOLD
>>737714210>>737714217That you're even arguing in favor of the fucking CAMERA BUTTONS is hilarious.
>>737714245>>737714120You just proved that different games use them differently
>>737714378I've heard these are actually pretty good when they work. Not that I can verify that.
>>737714390Not really, no. It was the precursor to analog cameras. Also doubled as a standard 3 face botton layout.
>>737714378This is a controller thread bro
>>737710091It's only real problem is that the stick and the housing wore down too quickly. Made even worse with games like mario party encouraging you to fucking ravage that poor stick.Works great for the games designed for it when the stick is in good condition though.OoT on the gamecube controller for example just doesnt feel perfect, even though the controller itself is comfier to use in general.
>>737714482*6
>>737714390BK is one of the best examples of alternate uses of the C buttons, they loaded a bunch of mechanics onto them by combining them with the Z button. No one who has ever played the Banjo games would even dream of playing them without using the talon trot.
>>737714519Zoom bro that IS a controller!
>>737714391>>737714482>they aren't camera buttons hurr durr
>>737711636>The N64 stick is better for precise movements imo.N64 stick is the lowest precision analog stick in any 90s console.
>>737714120>>737714245>>737714390>>737714552I'd post more but I can't think of any other N64 games
>>737710091Even worse, it continued to influence the design and control philosophy of the Gamecube where they had twin sticks but without using the second stick as an actual stick.
>>737714552Can you articulate what your point is? I don't know what we're talking about anymore
>>737710614I think robotron 64 did but I could be wrong
>>737714669Do you have dementia?You argued it's a 6 face button controller (like Sega controllers). IT IS NOT.It is a 2 face button controller + 4 useless camera buttons.
>>737710168This. It was a meme before memes were memes. t.40
>>737714658That's because the c-stick was added in the last moment on the gamecube. The place that is taken by it was originally a big start button.
I didn't hate the layout but the stick fucking sucked. I've probably had 10 of these things in my life and every single one of them has a half-inch dead zone in the center from the stick loosening up/drifting.
>>737714593The optical tracking is more precise on an objective, technical level than the usual potentiometer configuration used in Dualshocks and all future analog sticks. I know the Saturn 3D Pad uses hall effect, but my personal experience is that it isn't very good for games like After Burner or Space Harrier where placing matters.
>>737714750Ocarina of Time didn't use them for camera buttons.Buttons can have different functions between different games you know
>>737712625>no thumbstickswat
>>737714750>It is a 2 face button controller + 4 useless camera buttons.Oh ok. That's false and you're lying. Hope this helps.
>>737714838You can connect a dulashock 1 and N64 stick to a PC and see the ranges the pool from the n64 only reports ranges between -128 and 128 on both axis compared -255 to 255 of a dulashock. It's less precise.
>>737714390C buttons could work with a dual analog. honestly the fact that 6 face buttons aren't the norm is kind of a bummer. same with back buttons not being widely adopted, we could have so much more functionality with more buttons, but instead we do contextual stuff which drives me crazy.
>>737710091It was deliberately designed poorly to force developers to experiment with the analog. And it worked. Meanwhile, PS1 got like 3 games that are actually not playable without the analogs, everyone else stuck to the good old SNES layout.Same with Wii, Wiimote could've been far more competent, but because Nintendo made it so limited, it forced the devs to figure out all the creative ways to use motion controls. Most of them were shit, but the best ones got consolidated into modern motion implementations of motion controls which are pretty good. And the DS too. It could've been normal, like the PSP. But it had effectively vertical screen layout and no analog, so it forced devs' hands into making games for the DS and its specifics and not games for some generic console thing. By the time of WiiU, too many stiff-minded pajeets have infiltrated gamedev to bother with the gimmicks, so the most complete controller ever made has not met the development it deserved.
>>737715094When connecting to a PC they can be assigned any range of values for the movement of the analog stick. The N64's optical approach remains the only good thing about the stick itself.
>>737713067>Just because it looks silly?Kids who couldn't own Nintendo 64 looked for ANY reason to scream their fights at others.>I play VIDEO GAMES, not some TOY!>I'm not using a NERF GUN! I'm an ADULT who SKATES and my parents bought me CDs!!>YOU'RE a LOSER if you DARE claim you're having fun with ANY COLOR CHOICE YOU WANT for your COMFORTABLE HANDLING controllers which inherently come with ANY ORIENTATION for playing EVERY game and... wait... um... FUCK YOU!!!
>>7377151534 face buttons and 2 back paddles like the original Steam controller is peak.
what is this autist screaming about
>>737710091Nah this controller was unironically pretty great. The joystick was way ahead of its time despite the wear that could be put onto it. Trying to aim in a 64 game without the OEM controller is painful.
>>737715435>It was deliberately designed poorly to force developers to experiment with the analog. And it worked. Meanwhile, PS1 got like 3 games that are actually not playable without the analogs, everyone else stuck to the good old SNES layout.>Same with Wii, Wiimote could've been far more competent, but because Nintendo made it so limited, it forced the devs to figure out all the creative ways to use motion controls. Most of them were shit, but the best ones got consolidated into modern motion implementations of motion controls which are pretty good.So the N64 and the Wii are shit because Nintendo wanted them to be shit?Geniuses!
>>737715435The Wiimote is bad until you remember that they kept making carbon copies of these for the PSVR until 2024.
>>737710091Genuinely the worst Stick on any controller ever.
>>737715435The wii crawled and shit its pants so VR could soar.
>>737715435>It was deliberately designed poorly to force developers to experiment with the analog. And it worked.The whole reason why they went with the three-grip was the exact opposite of this. They wanted developers to fall back on the d-pad and L button if the analog didn't stick.
>>737715586You are objectively retarded. the joystick was poorly made and broke often
>>737712625>split D-padwhat the fuck were they thinking?
>>737715783>wireless nunchuck controllersMotion controls haven't meaningfully advanced since the Wii.
>>737715850>Vocal retard calling other people retarded can't even readWow, what a shocker.
>>737715094>n64 only reports ranges between -128 and 128 on both axis compared -255 to 255 of a dulashockRange and the resolution of potentiometer sticks like the DS is lower, so it has to be mapped to a larger range.
>>737710091controller is fine and designed well for the games it plays. it's only real flaw is that the joystick goes loose easy
>>737714245so only C-up was used for cameras in this and you think it supports your argument?
>>737710898Nigga that's literally everything the 64 controller should have been
>>737710614>but no games use both the D-Pad and the analog stick except for one gimmicky minigame in Pokémon Stadiumnot true, sin and punishment played like that
Impressive.The Nintendo brainwashing runs so deep, their dicksuckers defend the garbage controllers even 30 years later.
>>737714552>Sidestep Left>Sidestep Rightwhat interesting camera functions there are.
>>737715850It wears down due to the mechanical design but will actually outlast any potentiometer stick with proper maintenance. The ideal middle-ground would be hall effect like in the Saturn.
>>737710091only issue with it was the thumb pain, but thumbstick is an unpleasant input method no matter who the manufacturer is
>>737716130You'll survive.
>>737712601>The original controller was perfect for the majority of the games designed forsame with nintendo 64. Ocarina of time doesn't play better on a gamecube controller it's better on a 64 controller.
>>737716451eh it plays best on 3DS though, a better example would be the Rare collectathons that made really good use of the C buttons for extra functions like the talon trot, egg shitting, guns in DK64 etc etc
>>737716335Let's hope
>>737716527>eh it plays best on 3DS thoughI don't disagree, but 3ds not really a controller though.
>>737715435Experimental controls force either experimental games with often experimental sales numbers, or unacceptable compromises. It was fine in the N64 era because everything was experimental with the switch to 3D back then, but the Gamecube era was a something of a wake-up call, and with the Wii they had realized you can't have any significant third-party support without providing conventional options, unless you're fine with nothing but shovelware. Its ironic that their Wii "Classic" controller was the most industry-standard/modern version they had done at the time.
>>737710091It's one of the worst designed controllers of its era.t. boomer
>>737716527>eh it plays best on 3DS thoughDo... you think it "looks best" on the 3DS, too?
>>737710168This. No one talks about the N64 controller fondly. People were joking about needing three hands to play games, shit was a proto-meme
>>737710091It was pretty much flawless, the only non-meme issue with it was the ridges on the thumbstick causing blisters on your palm if you played Mario Party.
>>737716527Plays best on an emulator with a Switch 2 Pro controller THOUGH.
>>737716527Apart from motion control aiming which slots into the game really nicely ooot/mm feel way worse on a 3ds compared to a 64 controller imo. I don't even have big hands or anything either.
>>737712625just a garbage version of the snes controller and sony hasn't made it much better
>>737710091some say that 90's kids had 3 hands
>>737716806eh some areas look better others don't, I do like how it runs smoother though. but generally I just like it the most for the touchscreen item swapping and gyro aiming
>>737716527>eh it plays best on 3DS thoughLeast sane poster award of the day goes to youNone of the ports to DS/3DS felt better on the tiny handheld controller. SM64 was awful, OoT/MM were terrible, I personally didn't even like Kirby Super Star Ultra. The DS worked well for games meant to utilize the stylus (trauma center, osu, meteos) but it was NOT comfortable to hold long term. Worse than the GBA for sure. Even the GB/GBC felt better to me.
>>737717238I got the hori MH grip for my 3DS which basically solved my problems with the handheld's formfactor outright. it's not outlandish to like cutting down on the tedium of item swapping and having gyro aiming man. like I'm sorry but you're just a contrarian if you think oot64 handles shit like the iron boots better
>>737717079>eh some areas look better others don'tAll its 3DS scenes with Ganon(dorf) were butchered, that's for sure.
>>737717469yeah basically any dark area or shot looks way worse, which is a bummer.
>>737717459Better item swapping is good, but actually moving link around in the remake felt both slippery and sticky at the same time. I think it partially comes down to how ugly link's model looked and a bad start/stop walking animation, but also moving the n64's d-stick felt more natural than the 3ds's. I think it's due to the angle and wiggle of it, it was easy to adjust your thumb on the n64, getting either a top grip, an angled grip, or push from the sides of the top, with plenty of room for your thumb to rest. The 3ds had the stick nearly flat against the face of the console so your finger is always jammed up against the plastic unless you do a super awkward top down grip which doesn't work on a handheld.
>>737710091I won't admit it because it wasn't. I love that controller and still use it all the time, even for playing modern games.
>>737710091Since I played most n64 best games on release I have no problem with it, even almost 30y later. This meme is a lie that lives thanks to ignorance.
>>737716959>blisters on your palm if you played Mario Party.https://web.archive.org/web/20201109025452/https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2000/nintendo-address-effects-video-game-childrenI wonder if anyone still has the gloves they were forced to give out.
>>737710898It's literally the best controller ever, it's definitely not worse than that abominationIf only the saturn had gamesLuckily there's adapters you can buy to let you use it on other devices. It's my go to pick for mario 64 romhacks and really anything that doesn't need two sticks.The stick is higher resistance than usual controllers and the concave bit helps keep your thumb on the stick which both together help a lot in making precise inputs in my opinion
>>737716959>Joystiq + Mario Party = palm sore(s)People joke about this. They mention it all the time, every time, as critique for the controller or for Mario Party.I was born in 1987. I had an N64. I owned Mario Party. I liked to play it. A lot. I can tell you, this "fact?" This tidbit colloquialism of Hellish pain and suffering to distract you from the analog stick?True.Specifically, only about 2 minigames asked for extended analog stick rotation: River Rowing and Pedal Power. And, lemme tell you, it's very true. Your skin is not designed (especially as a child) to take that frictional pressure to quickly and I enormous blisters that turned into open wound sores playing that way. Those stories are real and that did happen. I promise from my own history it did.Still liked those games, though.
>>737717748I didn't mind the 3DS movement nub but I had played a LOT of MH on the thing before I played OoT3D so I was quite accustomed to how it feels to play. I will say Z targeting felt better on N64 too, just a much more satisfying input for it than L.
>>737717869your palms got us the infinitely better minigame selection from MP2 and 3 so I thank you for your service
>>737717864While I do like my Saturn 3D pad I still think the optical tracking+stiffness+diagonal edges of the N64 stick lends it better accuracy. My most used Saturn controller isn't even the 3D pad but this.
>>737717869Tug of war was another famous circle-spamming minigame and that one was ACTUAL hell.
>>737710091you gotta keep in mind that the only reason n64 sold was because it was marketed and widely known as the "family friendly" console. this was the console that your weird catholic/hyper religious friends were obsessed with because their parents wouldn't allow them to own a ps1. outside of that bubble, n64 is a fucking joke but for whatever reason the kids who grew up on it still haven't realized it's the fisher price version of a ps1 and shill it to this day for free. it's not just that they won't admit the controller was bad, they won't admit that the majority of the games for the console were bad and the console itself was an underpowered overpriced piece of junk even at the time. nintendo is basically a walled garden, the people inside of it don't know any better and are so obsessed with it because to them nintendo is the "good company" and all other companies are literally evil. ironic considering nintendo got it's start as a company that sold playing cards for gamblers. when you're arguing with a nintendohead you're arguing with a very sheltered and naive person. nintendo is to consoles what apple is to pc's. they're the "good guys" and you're a "good person" if you buy their overpriced underperforming proprietary hardware. it's a cult there's no point in arguing with them. they're happy sitting at the kids table and god bless their little heads.
>>737710898>could be worseAre tendies just delusional or actually retarded?Honest question.
>>737718421I grew up with a PS1 and didn't own an N64 before 2010. You're full of shit but I don't think you wanted anything else aside from this (You).
>>737718193Mutually assured destruction. You had to spin the stick faster than your friend, who had to spin it harder than you, and you had to do it harder than them, and so on.
>>737710091>I'm too retarded to figure out a toy for kids You young'uns sure are stupid these days.
>>737710091>ergonomic>analog stick>plenty of buttonswhat's the problem lol
Yeah it does suck. if you have small handsI have big hands, I could reach everything from the outside of the controller. I mostly loved the controller, the thing that sucked is the stick wore out too easy
>>737718583>N64 before 2010.Sorry you fell for the hype, assuming you're not a nintendohead, please enlighten me on what the N64 offers in comparison to other contemporary consoles and the PC besides brand recognition.
How does this controller filter so many people?>middle prong + right prong (90%+ of games)>comfy and ergonomic 6-button controller with an insanely accurate analog stick>left prong + right prong>literally just a SNES controller but with 6 face buttons like a Sega pad>left prong + middle prong>digital movement + analog stick for aiming, right finger is on the trigger (which is actually shaped like a trigger)The only flaw is that the analog stick breaks down with normal use, otherwise it's one of the comfiest controllers ever made. I'm convince the people who talk shit about it never actually used one.
>>737718852While I think the N64 has generally less games worth playing than the PS1 or Saturn I think the highs are higher. In other words while I do think PS1 is my favorite console of all time, I have zero PS1 games in my 3x3 while I have one N64 game on there.
>>737710091what? even as a 5 year old i thought this controller was a piece of shit and that they were smoking crack when the snes and ps1 controllers were just fine i still liked the n64 but it was the beginning of the end for Nintendo
>>737718992>I have zero PS1 games in my 3x3that's just a skill issue on your part then retard, what the fuck are you doing?
>>737719050Playing video games. I suggest you get on that too.
>>737718884>How does eating shit filter so many people?>Yes it tastes like shit in your mouth but once you swallow it down it isn't so bad anymore.
>>737719117there are at least 6 PS1 games that would be the best game on the entire N64 if they existed on it
>>737710091This and Dreamcast had beautifully terrible controllers and I wish consoles still made them like this
>>737712625The dpad on those things destroy my thumb, can't play for an hour without taking breaks.
>>737719135damn what bad news happened to sony on a sunday?
>>737718992So one console exclusive? Console exclusives aren't something to brag about, they were cancer then and they are cancer now. Nintendo holding a developer hostage with an exclusivity contract in order to entice you into buying their proprietary hardware is the same behavior that people give Sony and Microsoft so much shit for. Not that PS1 era Sony didn't do the same shit. If you could play Mario 64 on a PS1 would there be any reason to own an N64 (and for that matter, if you could play any ps1 game on a PC of that era, would there be any reason to own a PS1?). Console is basically a word for "shitty computer wrapped in stupid plastic that's easier to use". People get hyped up on owning and worshipping these trendy little stylish pieces of plastics with tiny computers inside of them, but if you care about the games themselves you despise consoles because the entire market is predicated upon locking good games that you might want to play behind a paywall. Collecting consoles isn't any different than collecting funkopops, but at least funkopops aren't holding IP's hostage by making exclusivity deals where the IP can only make toys for funkopop.
>>737719572There's no point in owning a console if it doesn't have exclusives. A console gets graded by the amount of good exclusives it receives. Otherwise it's just a PC for poor people. Sounds like your favorite box isn't getting alot of exclusives lately.
>>737719646>There's no point in owning a console if it doesn't have exclusives.I think you missed the entire point of my post being exactly this, and lamenting that people don't understand that they've fallen for the console meme and keep buying these stupid ugly pieces of plastic that perpetuate the practice of locking good games behind them.
>>737718193>tug of warOh, right, that, too.
>>737710898>make a decent controller for 3D gayman>but release it very late into the console's life cycle>meaning that a shitton of games don't work with itSasuga, SEGA.
>>737710091Retard
>>737719802Competition to offer the best library of exclusive games works like any other form of competition; it delivers more and better games. Better games benefit everybody able to pay for them which is most first world adults.
>>737717869>>737718193>>737718695I remember watching the "Mario Party Party" Giant Bomb vids and finally seeing the river raft minigame come up and how all of them sucked at it, but still admitted it hurt.
>>737720012It released in mid 1996. 18 months into the console's life but not "very late" by a stretch.
>>737710168FPBP, zoomers and alphies have no knowledge of the past.
>>737711175>the fixed Space Station Silicon Valleyunfathomably based>>737711192you are like the first person i've seen online to say they also had this controller. the z button on mine broke eventually
>>737720097Yeah but he just shortsightedly thinks it's shit because it means some games aren't on HIS box therefore it's bad. Very very dumb person.
>>737710091Are they? I feel it's pretty common knowledge that it's fucking awful. Playing N64 games with any emulator is a better experience.
>>737710091it unironically feels really nice to use if you ignore the dpad and the yellow buttons that were mostly used for settings and camera anyway
>>737720097They aren't competing to sell video games, they are competing to sell pieces of plastic. You are buying funkopops and this mythology you've created in your head of consoles driving competition is just that. It's a justification for your desire to buy and own as many colorful pieces of plastic as possible. Please stop playing video games and start collecting bread clips. You don't need to justify your desire to own all the possible pieces of plastic, you can enjoy doing that and lording your horde over the plebians who don't, but don't pretend this is a net positive for video game development when they are competing on enticing people to buy pieces of plastic rather than competing on the quality of the games themselves as they would be in a more open market.
>>737710091It filters casuals.Lol.
>>737720507Software drives hardware sales. Put money into developing good exclusive software for your hardware and people will buy that hardware over your competitors. This isn't exclusive for consoles either as Nvidia vs AMD can attest.
>>737720440>Playing N64 games with any emulator is a better experience.Are there good emulators yet tho?
>>737720980Take the hardware out of the equation and the focus is on developing the game itself rather than wasting resources and potential on shackling creative people to an underpowered overpriced PC in a colorful box.
>>737721046how hard can it be to make an emulator that works with a handful of games
>>737710091Something I know /v/ won't ever talk about because they don't actually like or play games, is that this analogue stick was a blister magnet. This thing absolutely raked the skin off my thumb.
>>737721250Never happened to me because I never played Mario Party.
>>737721775It doesn't matter what game it was, that's a meme. It consistently ripped the skin off your thumb.
>>737710091One aspect of this controller I never see brought up but that infuriates me is that it actually has an excellent stick when it is healthy. It gets worn down from a single mario party session, but it's very good before that. You can tell by doing that "repair" that switches it for a gamecube stick. Works way worse.
>>737710091God I love the N64. Still my favorite retro console.
>>737710091>HerewegoagainRetards are still unaware on how to use this controller
>>737721963You should probably get that checked. Might also be a side-effect of the meds you’re taking.
>>737710091It's always been famously known as one of the worst controllers ever made you dumb fuck. The only console in existence where people preferred the 3rd party controllers
>>737721168>take hardware out of the equation and I deserve to take everything you own, for free, and you better make it pristine before I take it!Oh, right. Internet kids.
>>737721225dunno I'm not a coder
>>737722353>classic 2D controlsName 5 games
>>737722235Potentiometer sticks require little to no maintenance but are just generally worse.
>>737722353I played Ocarina with "2D" controls´and later felt like a total idiot.
>>737723236KirbyGoemon 2Mischief makersTetrisphereDr MarioHave you even played the console?
>>737710091millenialchad who grew up with the thing here. no, we have no problem 'admitting' this controller was dogshit experimental nonesense. the 90s were a wild time and for every kino thing there was a 'what the actual fuck were they smoking when making this' thing. still better than the soulless era we live in now where all the optimism has been replaced by the pervasive knowledge it's all downhill to collapse of civilization from here with the only question being how many years are there left. take me back to those better times please and thank you.
>>737723570>Mischief makers>Tetrisphere>Dr MarioHe said games.Come on man
>>737723392Don’t worry anon, a lot of people are that stupid even now, it’s why they hate the controller
>>737723608You would be the first person to think Tetris isn’t a game
>>737722618No retard, that's what happens when you play n64 games longer than 30 minutes in an emulator. Both of my thumbs have very thick calluses, I used to play games 8+ hours a day and still probably would if I had more time. Obviously the n64 controller analogue is not well designed and creates a lot of friction on your thumb. I vividly remember taping my thumb so I could keep playing it.
>>737710091>the most precise analog sensor known to man>the most dogshit stick mechanics known to manWhy the FUCK is an optical analog sensor lost technology now that we have perfected stick mechanics?
>>737723771It’s because the pivot point is low so there’s a lot more tension when using it
>>737723921>pivot pointnerd
>>737724001I'll pivot my point into your ass.
I loved it.I liked the gamecubes the most though.
It wasn't good but you got used to an N64 controller. I was able to kinda get a handle on it from going over friends or borrowing consolesVery few kids had a GameCube and every time that was put in my hands I got incredibly confused. I've heard people call that the best controller ever and I don't get it
>>737724047gay nerd
>>737724083We know tendie
>>737724114>shoulder buttons are a variation on analog control>button you will hit the most is big, other buttons are around it>c-stick is made for quick flicksthe dpad being tiny and worthless as well as the single z button were really stupid thoughotherwise its just an alternate idea for a controller that in the long run was inferior to the snes descended layoutpeople that really like it tend to be smash bros players or really into 3d platformers I guess
>>737710091It was, but not for the reasons you think is bad.
>>737724217The “z” button was just the new version of selectI didn’t like the analogue shoulders, because the dual stage means you couldn’t instantly press L/R, you had to do another action before you got to it
>>737724389Yeah, it’s bad because the stick destroys itself too easily
>>737710168thisthe three hand jokes or "how do you even hold it" ones were there since before it releasednow the same jokes are overblown by the literal retards that literally can't understand how you're supposed to hold it despite clear instructions, but no one in the history of ever, even people who owned one instead of a ps1, knew it was bad design
>>737710091No, the N64 controller is fine for N64 games. Sin and Punishment plays really well on it. Believe it or not, you're supposed to use it with two hands. Left hand on the analog and right hand on the right face buttons. Works beautifully with Zelda and Sin and Punishment.
>>737724083We know, tendieGOD aka the SNOY KILLER.
>>737724691LMAO, completely wrong my dudeYou put left hand on the dpad and right hand on the analog stick for sin and punishmentTry it
>>737710091If you ignore the fact the stick kills itself, it's well designed, specially since it's the controller that introduced sticks. You either hold it to play a 3D game or a 2D game.But yeah, the Dualshock is just better.
>>737724463Finally someone says it.After 2003 i've never seen an N64 controller with a good stick in the wild, dunno, probably the only piece of Nintendo retro hardware that wasn't made with Nintendium and to this day I don't understand why, is not like the tech wasn't fully figured out around 1995-1996, so why Nintendo cheaped in the defining hardware feature of that gen?
>>737711060They were just fucking around at the time. The N64 controller used optical sensors. Early PS3 controllers used something similar to TMR. They didn't all settle on potentiometers until at least late 6th gen
>>737724997SnP fans do not play that game
>>737725196>Early PS3 controllers used something similar to TMR.Why the hell did they stop
>>737725113Are you retarded? It essentially introduced sticks to home consoles. They didn't cheap out, it was just early tech. The stick even worked in a weird way, it was composed of mechanical gears and had 2 optical sensors like those you find in PC mice to track movement. They simply didn't predict that the plastics touching each other would cause such a big wear after a decade+ of usage.
>>737725230Cheaping out as usual, don't forget that PS3 was sold at a loss for a long time, so they tried to recoup every penny they could over the years. The DS3 went through a fuckton of revisionshttps://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/DualShock_3
>>737725409>Nintendo created sticksYou're like apple fags really
N64 sticks have been solvedNot for poorfags thoughhttps://shop.rockergaming.com/collections/renaissance-n64
>>737725224SnP fans don’t play SnP?Wut?
>>737725516I didn't say that.
>>737725573That shit has been solved for years. You can even just buy a 1:1 replica and apply lube and it'll outlast any modern controller
>>737725516Who introduced analog sticks to home consoles then, anon? Because I can only recall the N64, Dual Analog/DualShock would only come a year+ later.
>>737710091it was the best controller of the era for sticking up your ass
>>737725662The plastic mass reproduced reproductions are dogshit
>>737725867i was still using my uncle during that gen (rather he was still using me)
>>737725867Preferred the Dualshock's built in vibration instead of the rumble pak.
>>737725589Due to its generous continues, short length, extremely forgiving normal mode, and emphasis on hipster auteur cinematics, it attracts a certain type of very retarded poseur. Of all treasure games, this is the easiest one to be a poseur faggot about.
I bought one of the NSO ones and it's very comfortable to play with. Also a very cool, memorable design.I don't understand the hate at all, maybe it's worse with wires and paks or whatever
>>737725917They are still better than any official N64 controller after a few rounds of Mario Party. And that Renaissance shit is autism tier, we had metal parts for over a decade and they are precise as the original parts when brand new.
>>737717869relevant
>>737725573>no gearsworthless autismthe whole problem are gears getting worn, any cheap plastic bowl and stick does the job just fine, it's the gears you have to be concerned with, since it's where the tolerances matter
>>737725113They didn't cheap out, it was essentially the first analog stick, and the problem could've been avoided altogether if they lubed everything. They just didn't take wear in consideration when designing it.The N64 NSO controller still use the same mechanism, but they addressed the problem by lubing the gears.
>>737721775How about making one?https://partyplanner64.github.io/
>>737710091I didn't have a problem with it. I hated the GameCube controller, though.
>>737721250I heard that a few times but it literally never happened to me. Not even when I beat OoT in one sitting. It must be a greasy hands thing
>>737727035OoT is not an input intensive game. It's basically the first ubisoft theme park game in terms of design philosophy.
>>737727293(You)
>>737727293based
>>737722767What the hell is this mad cope? Somehow suggesting that consoles harm the video game market.... ooooooh you own a retro collection and you feel threatened that if other people don't fall for the scam suddenly your horde of plastic will become worthless. Carry on. I'm not coming after your plastic.
>>737710091>t. Faggot who got murdered 10 to 0 in goldeneye multiplayer by the person using solitaire scheme.
>>737723797hey anon, you're mistaking correlation with causation.the stick mechanism was shit BECAUSE of the analogue sensors, all those teach wear out over time, which leads to the slop (not the zoomer type, the actual mechanical term) and floppy sticks.
>>737710091This was controversial right from initial announcement and release. It was tolerated at best.
>>737729915>"Media" is just digital files, UNC!!>My computer can run ANY file, UNC!!>Therefore, I shouldn't be FORCED to BUY anything, YOU UNC!!>AND>I deserve EVERYTHING!!>UNC!!!!!!!!!!!>also everything that isn't Minecraft is lame and stupid and you should die, don't disagree with me because you're wrong and I'm rightYeah.
>>737730435Look man, the pieces of plastic you own are still going to be valuable as historical pieces even if people stop manufacturing new consoles and there's always going to be people who swear that it's a better experience playing on a fuzzy, heavy, 30 year old television on an inferior computer cased in stupid ugly rotten plastic. Chill. Nobody's coming after your plastic. Just saying life would be a lot better if I didn't have to buy that stupid fuckin piece of plastic shit just to play Mario 64 then have it collect dust for eternity.
>>737729915nta, but i wish more consoles went into the "cant do that on a PC" style that nintendo did, instead of just making slightly cheaper PCs like sony and microsoft.give me wii motion controls and a 3ds dual screen levels of gimmick any day, because at least they were offering something interesting and driving innovation.if you're making a game for a modern PlayStation or xbox, there's almost NOTHING preventing it from just being a pc game, having a larger maerket share, and letting more people play it for longer.which is why those games are being made into exclusives again, to try and drive people to buying less, more often, and using the FOMO to force people into buying.at least nintendo has the excuse of your computer not having IR sensors, or secondary touch screens, or an accelerometer. though im kind of annoyed the switch 2's big gimmick is that it has a mouse
>>737710091Controller was fineDevs went retarded at having to choose Stick or Pad so some games tried to force both like complete retards. Worst factual thing about it was how cheap the switches for buttons and the stick could be depending on your batch number.
I grew up with an N64 as my first consoleThe switch online N64 controller is the first time I've ever gotten to use an original N64 controller with a joystick that isn't as floppy as a tranny's dick
>>737730851>"cant do that on a PC" >wii motion controls>3DS>driving innovationThis is more console mythology that is simply untrue. You can do both on a PC. The nintendo wii is a proprietary PC inside of a sleek little piece of plastic, as is the 3ds. You can plug infrared lights into a PC. The wiimote is an infrared camera that is sending it's position to the computer when it picks up the infrared lights in the sensor bar. There's absolutely no reason it couldn't have been a PC peripheral like a flight stick or a steering wheel and wii games probably would have performed much better on a PC and been orders of magnitude more complex considering how ridiculously underpowered the wii was, even compared to it's contemporary consoles. If anything, if it had been a PC periphal, it would still be alive today and people would still be making games for it. Flight sticks and steering wheels still sell despite not selling as well as they did when the initial novelty of the gimmick wore off. Handhelds are also just proprietary portable computers, the 3ds was conceived because of the popularity of the palm pilot. There's nothing a 3DS can do that a palm pilot plugged into a secondary monitor couldn't do. You're layers deep in marketing and corporate jargon shilling for the reputation of billion dollar company that's been selling you underpowered overpriced computers in stupid little hunks of plastic for 40 years.
>>737731536>with a joystick that isn't as floppy as a tranny's dickThanks for the sensible chuckle anon. I don't think I ever saw an N64 controller out in the wild that didn't have a sad, wilting stick.
>>737716750Gamecube was not experimental, the change to face button layout is in the same ballpark as symmetrical-asymmetrical sticks, the games could be translated 1:1- and they were, Gamecube had a lot of multiplats. Gamecube also did not sell for shit.
>>737715435The wiimote+nunchuk is the greatest controller of all time and it's not even remotely close.Simple enough that literal grandmas in retirement homes can use it, or vidya addicts can spend hours grindan with it in xenoblade.The most ergonomic controller, with the most features, three different control schemes in one (traditional, motion, pointer) and it just works.Better at navigating menus than traditional controllers, more comfortable for normal gameplay without lacking buttons, better at motion controls than anything else. For fuck's sake, it's even better for FPS games because of the zapper. If you didn't play the COD4 port on wii you missed out.It really btfo'd every other controller ever made and has never been surpassed since.I also like the duke btw.
>>737731734I'll read your text in a sec, but>consoles are a mythDude. They were (are?) far cheaper than buying some gaming computer, and they came with everything you needed to play it (except the television). It was 4 steps:• Remove it from the box• Plug in the 3-prong A/V cables• Plug in your controller• Plug in your gameAnd you were good-to-go!There weren't profiles you needed to create, contracts you had to sign, age agreements you had to answer, image output choices you had to select from, updates you had to download, or any of that. You just turned your console on; BAM! Gaming!Nintendo was bringing all that to ALL KINDS of new tech into people's homes, CHEAP! Easy! The same "just plug it in" mentality to let even soccer moms discover "oh, this thing really does vibrate when action happens on the screen" and "you really can aim this remote; it doesn't even need a cable anymore! And you can recharge its batteries!! NICE! I was sick of purchasing new AAs all the time!!"
>>737731734you "could" do all those things with a PC but nobody did. That's why it drove innovation, it proved that technology could actually work and be commercially viable, which drove other companies to follow. A palm pilot plugged into a second monitor is not commercially or practically viable. On the other hand, if your console is effectively just a PC on layaway where you pay less up front but get milked by paying for your own internet, yeah that's pretty worthless as far as innovation goes
>>737732225I'm not saying consoles are a myth, I'm saying consoles have a mythology that is typically associated with them but can't be proven in any verifiable context. Take a look at the rest of this thread if you want to see people glazing console manufacturers with hyperbolic marketing buzzwords and meaningless corporate jargon. I won't even attempt to bridge that gap of bullshit because they are true believers.>• Remove it from the box>• Plug in the 3-prong A/V cables>• Plug in your controller>• Plug in your gameI already mentioned ease of use, but really what's the difference between learning how to take all these steps and taking the extra few step to learn how to install an OS and check your hardware to see if it's compatible with a game. Literal 5 year olds can do that in this day and age so it's not really an argument anymore.>The rest of your postHoly shit go fuckin work in nintendos marketing department I wouldn't be sucking their dick that hard if they had paid me to lmao.
>>737732557>, it proved that technology could actually work and be commercially viable>A palm pilot plugged into a second monitor is not commercially or practically viable. Fuuuuuuuck off with that bullshit, motion controls were a thing long before nintendo did it and light guns were a thing long before nintendo did it. This is a great example of console mythology, this is bullshit that people repeat enough times that they actually believe it but it's a total myth and rampant speculation. the only thing nintendo is good at is tricking people into buying shitty plastic then having them spend their whole lives pimping that shit for free
>>737723771With all that money you saved playing 30 yr old games, you can buy an Air Purifier for all that dust
>>737732620I'd say "making it that easy" is stroooooong advertising to improve tech. Lets them test out all kinds of stuff, cheap.Making it paired with consoles (NES Zap gun, N64 Rumble Pak, Wiimote re-charging batteries) FORCED someone to see what it could do and if it was "worth it." Sometimes, no. Sometimes, yes!But, ask everyone who owns a computer to "buy the best flight control stick in your store and tell us what you like" as some sort of gimmick isn't going to fly. People either won't buy it, won't own some simulator to try it, don't wanna go through the effort to set up the programming, and (as you mentioned) aren't necessarily gonna keep using that flight stick for all kinds of different things for 20 years. Especially if a "better" flight stick comes out, lol.Nah; it's outright cheap, easy, explanatory, and outright fun to use most of the Nintendo gimmicks. And, being a company that marketed to families with kids and teens, they did (do?) a fine job adjusting its consumers through the rapidly progressing technology spikes. And, well, I appreciate them for that. That "adjustment" was through playing awesome video games, too. Nice!
>>737732774I really can't get why you're so worked up that a brand is marketing a gimmick. You seem to be very perturbed that Nintendo vastly improved the popularity of a great number of different tech.Nobody plays on a "Game Boy" any more, but holy cow did that thing influence hand-held devices on Planet Earth.
>>737732620You phrase it as "taking a few extra steps" because you're looking at it from a 2026 point of view, where everyone buys digital and platforms are frictionless and everything is super easy to use and universally available. If we turn back the clock and ask you to either debug your IRQ configuration or play N64 instead, it becomes a different question. You're underestimating the importance of old technology because you assume everything has always been the way it is now. One device resolved a "few extra steps" here and another resolve a "few extra steps" there and over time that's called technological progress.
>>737733202>stroooooong advertising to improve tech>Nintendo vastly improved the popularity of a great number of different tech.Console mythology. You don't know what a market without consoles would have looked like and can't truthfully attribute this to Nintendo. The reality of Nintendo is quite different, they are corporate bullies with a mafia origin that in practice stifle innovation, eat up valuable marketshare, use ad campaigns targeting the vulnerable minds of children and practice lawfare on anyone who would dare threaten their bottom line. Ya'll are straight up victims of being hooked on colorful plastic as kids and feel the need to justify your consumer addiction by personifying a corporation that exists solely to make money at your expense by heavily marketing overpriced, underpowered, pre-existing hardware to naive people.
>>737731734>You can do both on a PCyeah man, but fucking 99% of people wont ever need the functionality, so it would need to be a custom attachment, which then wont fit the usage of the next game, so ANOTHER peripheral that does almost the same shit, like the steel battalion controller.but putting a load of dev tools onto a box that has that as an option leads to other people using those tools to build NEW things with those same options.like all the xbox Kinect games.i agree if the wii was a 1-1 drop onto a PC it would have been more used currently, but you gotta understand man, you need to convince people to make games on your peripheral, which is a LOT easier when you get a standardized machine, with standardized attachments.again, im not disagreeing with you, i just thing you're not looking at the whole picture beyond the current gaming situation where computers are good, and you can get support with connecting anything to a USB port via a google search.when i way getting started with gaming i had to call up the help lines if i wanted to find out why my console wasn't turning on, and i only knew about the help lines because a friend at school had a magazine subscription.
>>737733202nta, but I find it amazing that Poloraid instant film cameras destroyed the personal camera market and when digital cameras arrived they outright erased photograph film developing businesses. I don't think the new generation has ever had to take film to a store to get their pictures made, these days.
>>737733853>You don't know what a market without consoles would have looked likeyeah ok, but by the same logic america is basically already all lizard people because we dont KNOW what the world would have looked like without hitler doing a holocaust.we live in the now mate, you cant argue from a the point of view of an imagined alternate timeline in good faith, because what if the failure of the wii ended ALL game production?or if everyone loved the motion controlls, so it made personal PCs irrelevant and now we all type in virtual Wiiality why waggling sticks?
>>737733961now they take their iphone to the office supply store to print pictures, because none of them have printers, and sometimes you need a paper print.
>>737710091/v/: it is old, therefore it is good.
>>737733508>>737733875Consumer PC's that are easy to use existed before the N64 did, hell they existed before the NES did. There were already computers being marketed as "so easy that grandma can use it". The only difference here is that nintendo got to you first and got you hooked, which is unfortunate.
>>737733853I think you fail to realize what "industry" did for civilization.Yeah, knives used to exist since the dawn of metallurgy.Housewives didn't own 15 knives for $20 until they were being sold by the millions to any and every store that could stock them.Nintendo (and other video game brands, including arcades, btw) were a pioneering INDUSTRY. They brought useful, neat, bizarre, weird, life-changing, boring, futuristic tech in the form of their gimmick merchandise and guess what? It worked. Big time.Gambling existed before casinos did, but hot damn did casinos make gambling easy.
>>737734060>you cant argue from a the point of view of an imagined alternate timeline in good faith,I'm saying that's what attributing advancements in technology to Nintendo is doing especially because they didn't actually advance the technology all they did was repackage and market existing technology to rubes. You might be right about the hitler being a lizard person or whatever though.
>>737710526Because then it would not work for games that used dpad + stick.https://old.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/1g68pf7/are_there_even_n64_games_that_use_the_dpad_and/
>>737734354>INDUSTRY.Yeah, but that industry is basically just repacking existing technology at an insane markup and then selling it to people who hadn't heard of it yet, your analogy about knives would be more accurate if nobody had heard of knives then tendo stepped in and marketed plastic knives that can't cut shit to everybody creating a shittier standard for knives.
>>737734106Yeah, it's kinda shocking as the "old man" I am, I suppose. I remember telling the cashier to make certain sizes from my film so they would fit frames. In theme with this Nintendo thread, Pokemon Snap made a gimmick to take your game to a one-off and print your pokemon game photos, just to appeal to what you could do with the Nintendo brand.
>>737710379Kirby and the wrestling games used the d-pad
>>737710091Nintendo at the time was smart enough to know that of your thumb was using the thumb stick it would be stupid to ask it to do something else. Something the modem controller makers are too retarded to understand and had lead to the adoption of the claw grip.
>>737734345Kid, this isn't even about tech, apparently. You just HATE branding.And those "personal computers" before that hateful N64? They were expensive as fuck, took a heckuva a lot of effort and time to setup (had to purchase an operating system, too, you know?), didn't come with gaming controllers, software companies weren't developing F-Zero X for them, and that contrasts very, very, very heavily with Nintendo'scheapquicklibrarythat just plugs into your t.v. within 3 minutes of getting home and jumping into the living room. And the tech it brought to you, those 3 minutes later, was dang nice, sturdy, and fun. They promised more, too. It was nice.
>>737734345i started with a commodoreshit dude, i only got to play with nintendo consoles at friends houses until the gamecube.pre-wii the draw of consoles was that they were standardized hardware, while pcs for sure were not, ask anyone alive back then and they will have hundreds of stories of pc games where you missed out because your sound card wasn't supported, but buying a $100 part to play a $20 game was asking a bit much.post-wii nintendo went wild with gimmicks, and i appreciate that a lot more now than i did as a kid.the playstation and xbox both just went hard in on 'power' and blueray, and the fucking eyetoy style motion sensing.but hey anon wanna know a secret, the reason i like Nintendo games, is that they were fun with my friends, and the controllers were cheap by comparison, so we could usually get everyone playing instead of being stuck doing 2 player rotations.something that modern gaming has no real equivalence to, everyone has to have their own entire setup.
>>737734910>You just HATE branding.Yes, I do. It's tribalistic stupid bullshit for idiots to plant their flag on so they have something to fight about, meanwhile what they are really doing is fighting for companies that don't give a shit about anything other than getting them to buy more garbage.>They were expensive as fuck, took a heckuva a lot of effort and time to setupNope. You could buy All-in-one PC's that were as easy as plugging it into a TV, and that's what early "consoles" were, before shit like pong and atari. What do you think a Commodore 64 is? A PC or a Console? Also you were probably a kid when N64 came out because that shit was expensive as fuck.You cannot attribute technology becoming easier to manufacture and cheaper to nintendo, hard as you may believe that to be the case.>>737734926>i started with a commodoreYeah so you see what I'm saying, a commodore 64 was literally a PC that was able to plug into your TV and there were several analogs to it on the market before and after it. I'm surprised you're lost in the mythology of consoles if that's the case.
>>737734656Heck, people today forget that cheque books and even cash were popular forms of payment. They don't have a clue how vinyl records play music. And, today, why visit a baseball park to watch a game when you could sit on your couch at home and 4k livestream any sport you wanted taking place from any stadium on planet Earth via your subscription service?It's nuts. Convenient? Sure, I guess, but man. No wonder people are fat.
>>737710091I've never had a problem with this controller and was surprised how many people on the internet hated it when I first started lurking gaming forums
>>737735357As much as you (thankfully) admit to openly hating branding... PCs are brands, too, you know? That "all-in-one" PC was not the standard "pre-NES" like you claim. Heck, it wasn't the standard until Macintosh decided to change its name to Apple and started industrializing home computers. Other companies recognized "holy shit, people love how easy Apple designed its product, we have GOT to do what they did." I don't like Apple, myself, and never used their products but I have to admit that they conventionalized the digital era to civilians in the modern age.
>>737720382Fixed Space Station Silicon Valley is just the trophy for Fat Bear Mountain, or are there other changes?
>>737735643You seem be a zealous type of person have you tried religion? Probably be better off pimping morals to people instead of forming a religion around brands. At least a religion you're going to potentially get something out of it. Apple is just as big and stupid as a cult as nintendo. What do you seriously gain from advertising a companies products for them and propagating a false mythos of consumer product narratives? Do you personally benefit from more people buying their products in any way shape or form? Is the world made a better place because one junk salesman succeeds over another?
>>737735657That's it
>>737710091>Boomers won't admit that this was one of the worst designed controllers of its eraZoomers still won't admit that it's less bad than the Gamecube controller
>>737736387The Gamecube controller was an significant upgrade, actually.
>>737730258You really don't think they couldn't adapt some kind of optical sensor into modern joysticks?
>>737736517Not with that face button layout, the c nipple or just having one shoulder button.
>>737710091i really wish 6 face buttons was still common. I do not enjoy backpaddles. for the games that used it, the dukes b/w buttons still feel very good to me
>>737735357>I'm surprised you're lost in the mythology of consoleshey fun fact, the commodore was a console, and you would input commands into the console, so in my part of the world (australia) we had to go out of the way to find info about it, i had like 8 mailorder walkthroughs, which were all about programming on the c64, so everything was done, in the console window.so we called it a console.fucking zoomers will never understand that in the past you knew what you knew, and couldn't just google up "BIDEOJAMES FROM THE PAST TO MAKE ME SOUND OLD" to win an argument.by the way, the commadore cost WAY more than the n64, we had to to some manual tinkering with the resistance of the antenna splitter, because aus had different video requirements.in the past those "all in ones" as you call them were not plug and play, THATS WHY PLUG AND PLAY WAS SUCH A SELLING POINT TO THE POINT IT BECAME COMMAN PARLAYANCE, it was a major selling point of the tv based game device, you plug in 4 cables, and you can play a game.you're clearly underaged, so im done posting about this.
>>737736538they can and do, but they require fine tolerances, which wear out quickly, and they're huge compared to any other type of stick.what with it needing an entire optical wheel mounted under the bottom of the stick.you can do it, but it'll be a huge controller by comparison.
>>737710091N64 controller had only one weakness.Stick got fucked quickly and it also fucked up your hand in Mario Party.
>>737710379Rasslin games used the D-PadThose were some of the best games on the system.
>>737737713I'm surprised that you could manage to do all that in the backwoods of australia in the time of the dinosaur. It's almost as if the ease of use argument for consoles is a bunch of phony baloney marketing narrative to keep you buying overpriced trash and you're perpetuating that narrative out of some misplaced brand loyalty for daddy nintendo because you think they love you. I get that miyazaki is such a friendly face and wholesome dude but your parasocial relationship with a developer at a corporate video game company is offputting bruh.
>>737710091>>737710168Zoomer homos.N64 gamepad is top comfy
>>737714934Believe it or not, people made fun of the dualshock controller's two sticks when it first came out because no one imagined why you would need a second stick. Ape Escape was the main game people could play in stores to demo it, and the controls were weird as fuck. You use the right stick to swing your net. Most people thought it was stupid until they played a game that had the now-standard movement and camera controls much later. That's part of why so many millenials talk about GoldenEye 007 on N64 as the first person shooter of their nostalgia instead of something on the Playstation.
>>737736006>Apple is just as big and stupid as a cult as nintendo.NTA but if you're flipping out because of the Macintosh thing, it's definitely true. Computer labs in almost every school with one had Apple computers because of their ease of use. It wasn't until Dell showed how cheaply they could churn out PCs that people switched over to Windows in large numbers, which became the standard in most labs after that for a long time. The same is true of Google taking over with the Chromebook. The bulk of computers, for playing video games or otherwise, tend to sell better if they are easy to use for the non-technical crowd because that's a way bigger market than the tech-savvy. And those market movements tend to have a huge impact on what the next gen does.
>>737710612>Kirby 64 and Mischief Makers used it. Beyond that, uhhhhhhhhhhResident Evil 2 plays great with the d-pad.
>>737710091>>737710168Kek nobody thought this shit was good, and the absolute dire library made good versions of fighting games nearly impossible. (A popular genre at the time)Imagine having to play Tekken 3 with the fucking C-buttons. Yikes.
>>737741342>If u criticize my unhealthy attachment to a corporation ur madYou can lead a horse to water...
>>737710898I dunno, I think it looks pretty fetching...
>>737742514I mean it really did seem like you just went nuts over their statement about Macintoshes when it was an apt comparison, so yeah, you came across as the "zealout" more than the other guy.
>>737743380I already refuted all the points in my earlier posts, just swap the word nintendo with apple. He's doing the same shit nintendoheads do but in regards to macintosh, attributing this mythology to apple and crediting it with being magical without having a single fact to back that up. there's no point explaining it again, he doesn't have the reading comprehension to realize this. i've restated this in case you aren't retarded.
