You ever like any characters in a game so much that it made you want to make fanart, fics, or even a fangame of your own? Character driven games like undertale yellow have driven a lot of people to that point, and there's even some fangames that have come out of that. Even here from 4chan as a matter of fact.Have you played any of them, or tried to make your own content?
>>737720419Played DRY and now its got me writing fanfiction of it even though I didn't enjoy my time playing it. Fangames are weird.Oh and to the dev of DRY, even though I've been very critical of your game. I still probably will play the rest of it when it comes out, I just won't be hype over it or rush to play it. I'll play it at my own pace when I feel like it, and just live with spoilers.
I used to think that thinking so much about characters after the fact like this was "cringe" or something but it just started making sense to me one day. Why wouldn't I want to think through these ideas more?
>>737721016Actually, maybe it still is cringe, and I just stopped caring about it being cringe and let myself have fun.
>>737720927Oh yeah, and I've decided I'll release the fic next week. Hopefully as part of a pair of stories.
>>737721212neat, I'm curious what the 2 will be about.
>>737720419>Character driven games like undertale yellow have driven a lot of people to that pointDespite being so character Driven, it's baffling that the UTY devs never tried to do something else with Dalv's character, he's kind of a nothingburger in the actual game.
>>737721171Roba rocking the Chiaotsu
https://https://strawpoll.com/PKglelmreZpPlease vote for your favorite Yellow thing, thank you.
>>737721253It's genuinely insane that they didn't look back at any point during development and realize "who the fuck is dalv anyways?"
>>737721273You idiot
>>737721273>https://https://
>>737720419Deltarune Yellow scratched pretty much every itch UTY and Deltarune gave me. >Kanaclover story>AU where they get to live out normal childhoods>Fanwork that doesn't flanderize characters>Deltarune fangame that plays it safe and doesn't jump to conclusions about Toby's lore>UTDR fangame where fighting before sparing is given attention, and gives players a way to leave opponents alive at 1 HP without risk of "killing" them>Doesn't go out of its way to pander to the woke fans, thus preventing it from being cancelled>Doesn't have internal staff drama that delays and eventually kills the projectI really want to see this game succeed, and I've written a few tracks for it.
>>737720419Anons, which one of these is the worst degen/“”“dark””” trope in fanmade UTY content?>Abusive Ceroba>Abusive Chujin>Ceroba becomes a human-cock addict after seeing one (1) human male>Anything to do with unbirthing>Chujin getting NTR’d by Starlo
>>737721732Abusive Ceroba often leads to the darkest paths, usually involving Chujin, Starlo or Clover, sometimes not even Anon is safe.
>>737721721>>Deltarune fangame that plays it safe and doesn't jump to conclusions about Toby's lorethis helps me a bit. I mean yeah it's making it's own assumptions and running with them, but it doesn't give me that "rolling my fucking eyes" moment as it tries and fails to "solve" deltarune. It just feels like it's doing it's own thing.>AU where they get to live out normal childhoodsit's hard to describe, the exact manner in which Cole just having a goofy toy gun collection fucked me up. Martlet may be a fuck up, but the fact that this kid can have a silly interest like that at all under her roof, and indulge in it. It does something for my soul. The fridge being "never too full, but never empty" also has an effect
>>737721721I've seen people not like it because they were expecting it to be just DR 2.0 with the yellow cast
>>737721732I've seen exactly 1 abusive chujin thing, and while it was unpleasant, Abusive Ceroba is tactically designed to cause excessive mental pain. I saw a thing about Ceroba being abusive to mooch and it was just bad and wrong.
>>737721961The UT/DR is infamous for being uncreative when it comes to alternative takes, that shouldn't be a surprise.
>>737722004>I've seen exactly 1 abusive chujin thing, and while it was unpleasant,There was that fanfic where Ceroba dies and Chujin decides to use Kanako as a "replacement"
>>737722307Ah, I'd forgotten about that one. Probably top 3 terrible things then.
>>737722307Every degen Chujin content I’ve seen is him being a submissive femboy or a turbo creep
>>737720419Crazy how a single anon currently has post UTY fangame with the most content, you would think the fangames with full teams would have released something by now.
>>737721956>just having a goofy toy gun collection fucked me up. There absolutely needs to be a Cole's toy gun darkner if there's ever a Martlet's house dark world.
>>737723137I know there's that whole "wheeler" thing but i like the idea of Cole's gun-darkners being the kind of toys that were well cared about in some way by their owner, and not having the rebellious attitude some darkners have.
>>737723127Full teams cower before the might of a single mans autistic passion.
>>737723240They don't have to be rebellious to be overeager to shoot things.
>>737723317Mmh, Zartlet tummy
>>737723781That's true, but I'm not sure how the side of them being well cared for by their owner would show itself in a darkner. A lot of the Darkners we've seen were defined over their issues with abandonment in DR right? Would Wheeler be super excited to get to finally talk to Cole?
>>737723826you're not wrong. Strictly speaking.
>>737723240>>737723854It think the toy guns would be like a less depressed version of Ramb, they are thankful with Cole for all the care he has shown them, but remember with nostalgia the times when Cole still used them like toys.
Reposting the first Reynault lewd because I can.Hat version: https://files.catbox.moe/ny5s0f.pngNo hat version:https://files.catbox.moe/g5lfl5.png
>>737723673chujin cooked when he made axis
>>737724203It only took if 14 tries, which is actually an insanely low amount of attempts when you realize that Axis is a fully sentient AI.
>>737724262Undertale would have been about half an hour if axis didn't lightly toast a corner of Asriel's grave
>>737721253Dalv probably would have been entirely cut from the game (don't know what they would have replaced him with) if they ever did a second pass on the Dark Ruins instead of keeping it almost identical to the 2016 demo.Personally I think they should have fused Dalv and Decibat into one character, so Dalv at least has one character relationship outside the Ketsukane family (El Bailador). That's the biggest issue with the cast in my eyes, nobody knows each other besides everyone knowing one of the Ketsukanes, and usually a dead Ketsukane. Every one of the six main Undertale monsters has a relationship with almost every other member of that group; Toriel is the least-relevant due to her reclusion but she still knows Sans and Asgore and others know of her
>>737724037I still think Reynault should be hung, he's a fox with the cock of a wolf
>>737724501I think I read that Dalv and Decibat were originally going to be one character actually and they ended up splitting them. If so it sounds like they made the wrong call. Talk about forgotten characters, Decibat hardly exists.
>>737723854Maybe it just treats this like another day at the office. But its idea of a normal day with Cole is the heavily dramatized fantasy version of Cole's life. Any conflict involving it would stem from it being well intentioned, but being ignorant and simplistic. It would never consciously betray Cole, but it may unintentionally cause problems for him while thinking its doing what he told it to.
>>737723934Not detailed enough. Needs the sex lines.
>>737724023Maybe its eager to be used more, and thinks its of better use to cole as a darkner. That could explain it ending up in the dark jail later. It decides it can best help him by guarding the jail.
>>737724635Do you *want* him to be hung?I thought I was one of the only people here who thought of him sexually at all.Besides, even if he was hung proportionally, he's supposed to be pretty small overall, so that probably wouldn't bring him up too much anyway.
>>737724372So instead of being jumped by Flowey at first, you just get bodied by an improved Axis model?
>>737725478>undertale if it wasn't fucking around.
>>737723934She so craaaaazzzzzzzyyyy ;PI love her!!!
>>737724905>Do you *want* him to be hung?Its something that fits with the character design, like Quetzali having black nipples or Wiki having small breasts but nice legs>I thought I was one of the only people here who thought of him sexually at all.I didn't until you made that drawing after that the idea came to me>so that probably wouldn't bring him up too much anyway.It would put him on the same level as a human, probably works to boosts his ego, until he meets a hung human that is
>>737725515The thing is though, Frisk is such a force of nature that it'd basically just be like Raiden fighting that modified version of Metal Gear Ray in MGR.
Maybe Cole's toy guns become a posse of old west vigilantes. They're always talking about their boss, the marshall, but you don't meet him. While this is going on Kanako and Cole are split up, so you play from Kanako's pov. Mid way through the chapter ots revealed Cole is their Marshall, and Kanako has to help them rescue him from the trouble he's gotten into in the dark world. Meanwhile Cole is probably in the darker half of the dark world, which is full of all his worst nightmares turned into spawn.
anyone have the>ok pookims i need you to hit this guy really hardimage?
>>737725797
>>737725865thanks
waste of energy, grow some imagination and create your own works
>>737726096Maybe later, I'm busy having a good time.
>>737725610>Its something that fits with the character design, like Quetzali having black nipples or Wiki having small breasts but nice legsI dunno, I'm just not sure about that.I mean, my own personal feelings aside, he just doesn't give me that sort of vibe if I'm honest. His characterization just doesn't really give off that idea to me.Also, as for Quetzali having black nipples, I just don't see that one. It's not like black is a particularly present color in her overall palette, that just seems like a weird choice to me. Not necessarily a bad one, just not one I agree with.>I didn't until you made that drawing after that the idea came to meWell hey, to each their own.>It would put him on the same level as a human, probably works to boosts his ego, until he meets a hung human that isHm, could be funny, but I've never cared for the whole "size intimidation" thing like that.
Oh, to the person adding stuff to the Green Room, are you going to add the Reynault green and the Ceroba/Anon greens from yesterday?
>>737726336nta, but for quetzali, black is a color that contrasts very well with both white and red, so since most of her color scheme is that, at least to me it ends up visually appealing. To each their own as you said, but I think that's why those colors are well received
>>737726336>Also, as for Quetzali having black nipples,Her tongue is black so I imagine that gives the idea of other parts of her body being black too, people like the contrast with her white scales>Hm, could be funny, but I've never cared for the whole "size intimidation" thing like that.Could work for an instant loss drawing, but I imagine that's Luzma's thing now
>>737726541>To each their own as you said, but I think that's why those colors are well receivedShe's only been drawn with her breasts exposed twice now, I'd say there hasn't been much of a consensus just yet.
>>737726512yeah I'm gonna add them. I'm working on a little something right now, but I'll try to get it all added before I go to sleep.
>>737726665I said nothing about consensus. Just that it was well received.
>>737726554>Her tongue is black so I imagine that gives the idea of other parts of her body being black too, people like the contrast with her white scalesMaybe, but that seems like something of a stretch, since the tongue and the nipples aren't the same kind of tissue, so it's not a given that they'd be the same color.Plus, she's really more of a beige than a pure white.>Could work for an instant loss drawing, but I imagine that's Luzma's thing nowEh, that feels a bit mean-spirited like that. Plus, he's already a fairly small monster, if we were going off the idea of him being on the scale of a human down there, I'd have to imagine the human he'd be compared to would be pretty big, and I don't like the idea of him taking something like that, he'd get hurt.I'll be keeping things proportionate, at least down there, if you don't mind.
STOP SPAMMING THIS GARBAGE THREADSTOP RAIDING /V/ EVERY WEEKENDFUCK OFFSTAY IN YOUR CONTAINMENT SHITHOLEFUCK YOUYOU ALREADY FUCKING HAVE A THREAD WITH 3000 FUCKING POSTS, STAY THE FUCK THERE
>>737726669Alright, cool.Also, while I'm sure some other anons have said it before, thanks for doing all this, making all these greens and stories easier to find in one single place, you're doing good stuff.Also for actually writing stuff if I'm not mistaken, good on that too.
>>737727090lol no
>>737726991>and I don't like the idea of him taking something like that, he'd get hurt.Silly anon, foxes don't have internal organs.
>>737726991>Plus, he's already a fairly small monster, if we were going off the idea of him being on the scale of a human down there, I'd have to imagine the human he'd be compared to would be pretty big, and I don't like the idea of him taking something like that, he'd get hurt.That's why humans need to be extra careful and tender when handling small monsters, they teach you that when you try to get a monster fucker license
>>737727103I appreciate it anon, and yeah I'm working on a green/story right now. I hope it doesn't come across as strange that I'm handling that, while making some of the stuff myself. I'm just having a good time best I can.
>>737727212Look, like I said pal, to each their own, but that's just not something I'm into like that.
>>737727334>I hope it doesn't come across as strange that I'm handling that, while making some of the stuff myself. I'm just having a good time best I can.NTA, but I think it makes sense for a writer to be the one that maintains the stories archive.
>>737727321>That's why humans need to be extra careful and tender when handling small monstersYeah, see, I like that stuff.Like that idea I mentioned last night (or earlier today, oops), that's the kind of thing I like, I'm just not a fan of the more mean-spirited nature of what the other anon suggested.
>>737727334What the other anon said, it makes pretty decent sense for someone already involved in this stuff to be handling the actual archival of them all.Sorry about some of the stuff you have to see while doing all that though, that's rough.
>>737727395>>737727465I had a strange thought when this started, something like "conflict of interest?" or something like that. Glad to hear it's just a case of overthinking things. And I really have no right to complain about the awful things since i"m inflicting it upon myself, but I do and will anyways because well, it's a sight to behold you know?Sorry I haven't actually put the shadow librarby up for those interested in seeing it. I'm procrastinating by thinking of the bird and foxes today.
Alright, Martlet and Clover on the first camping trip of the year>Martlet’s job on the surface was a wonder that gave her a sense of purpose that royal guard work never provided. Working as a park ranger, getting to fly over the forests, actually feeling useful at work. A breath of fresh air. There was one issue though, and that was that one week every month, she had to stay “on site” for emergency readiness. Of course that too made her feel like she was making a difference, and it was even pretty nice spending time with nature! It’s just, there was a downside.>During the school year, she couldn’t exactly bring Clover out to the countryside every single month. She had no choice but to leave the kiddo with Ceroba! Even if Clover tried to argue that he didn’t need to go to school, she had to be firm on this. Besides, when summer came around, it made their first trip to the mountain all the more special. She still had to do her job, but her boss went pretty easy on her all things considered, covering for her in the evenings on those summer nights so she could spend more time with Clover.>Still, she was the same Martlet as ever, lost in thought until Clover startled her dropping various branches and sticks he’d gathered in the fire pit.>“Hey ma, I got some kindlin’.” Clover dusted the twigs and dirt off before shooting her a glowing smile, “Can we roast up some marshmallows now?” >Martlet rubbed the back of her head with a wing as she chirped nervously, “Oh- haha. Sure thing kiddo. I’ll just get that fire going. Um, oh! Good job on the kindling.” She ruffled his hair, being careful not to knock his prized cowboy hat off. Truth be told, she’d meant to practice on starting fires all over the course of the last year, but even in the winter, she didn’t need them herself. She maayy have slacked off on learning how to do that. It was too late to consult the manual now though.
>>737727770>She knelt down by the fire pit, scooped up a handful of twigs and leaves, and just started… rubbing them together. >Martlet looked back to Clover, appearing as confident as she could, boldly stating, “we’ll be roasting marshmallows before you can count to 10!” before turning back to the pile of leaves, disappointed she hadn’t already managed to produce even a wisp of smoke. This went on for a moment, as she considered that she should have given him a higher number to count to, until Clover stepped over.>“Uh, ma?”” his expression was inscrutable, watching the efforts unfold in front of her.>“Yes Clover? I’ll uh, have this fire going in a jiffy just you watch. Just gotta get the right… angle?” Her nerves were clear as day, for all her effort to seem reliable, she had no idea what she was doing. She normally carried matches with her for emergencies, but well, she may have forgotten them at home this week. >Clover reached down and grabbed a couple of sticks, scooping together a pile of leaves of his own, “Would it be alright if I gave it a shot?” He looked up hopefully at Martlet.>She set down her quite unkindled batch of kindling as cocked an eyebrow, “Well, of course I don’t mind kiddo. But do you know how?” She realized how hypocritical it was to ask that, “Oh! I mean I just, didn't know you knew how. That would be great kiddo!” She laughed nervously, “Maybe I could learn a thing or two from you then.” >The thought seemed to make Clover happy, as he turned to focus on his tools, “Ya gotta cause just enough friction here ya see?” Martlet leaned in, watching as he pushed the sticks together, making one slowly heat up the leaves underneath ever so slightly. It took a while, but the patient focus on Clover’s face told Martlet that they’d have a fire for sure. Smoke started to rise, and Clover leaned down to blow on it, speaking in between tending to the fledgling fire, “It’d
>>737727834>“It’d probably help if we had a string or somethin’.” He looked back up at Martlet as he added sticks in, “I could show ya that next time if it’s alright.” His smile was relaxed, calm. Much different than when Martlet had to leave at the beginning of the school year. >Martlet nodded, “That sounds great Clover.” She looked off to the side, “I should probably learn to do something like that if I’m going to work out here, huh.” She reached over and grabbed the bag of marshmallows that Clover had thankfully kept her from forgetting, sitting on a log she’d dragged over earlier. As the fire finally took on a life of its own, she fished out sticks for the both of them and patted the spot next to her, inviting Clover to sit down. >Clover hopped up onto the log, bracing his cowboy hat as he did so. His face shone with a genuine happiness, something that had grown more and more true with every day that separated them from Mt. Ebott. Though as Martlet handed him a stick for the fire, something was bugging her.>"Hey Clover.” Martlet nudged him, “How’d you learn to be so good at something like that anyways? Were you in that human scouts thing they have around here?” Her voice tweeted slightly with her curiosity, and she almost missed the way Clover’s expression shifted at that.
>>737727652>I had a strange thought when this started, something like "conflict of interest?"I don't know that would be the case, unless you're deliberately choosing to exclude certain greens based on your own preferences, which I'm pretty sure you aren't doing based on what you've been saying, and that also wouldn't be exclusive to someone who writes greens anyway, so you're fine.>Sorry I haven't actually put the shadow librarby up for those interested in seeing it. I'm procrastinating by thinking of the bird and foxes today.Oh, don't worry, I don't think anyone blames you for wanting to think about literally anything else than some of those greens.
>>737727928>“Oh that? Naw I… never had time to be a part of something like that.” Clover moved uncomfortably, forgetting to even dip his stick into the fire, “But a cowboy has to be ready for anything you know. ‘Sides, I used to camp out by myself all the time. It’s handy in a pinch to know a thing or two.”>Martlet closed her eyes. Stupid, so stupid. She should have known better than to ask something like that. Of course the kid never got to be in the scouts. She scooted closer, draping a wing over his shoulder, “Well child of mine. If you ask me, Camping together is way more fun!” She lifted her marshmallow out of the fire, eying the charred sweet, “And between you and me, out here, my cooking doesn’t seem so bad!” She bit down, burning her mouth slightly as they laughed it off. >Before long, the night finally wound down as they chatted about the little moments that there wasn’t enough time to think about through the year. As Mother and child, once separated, and now reunited beneath the stars, they were at peace. Slowly, Clover drifted off, leaning into Martlet’s wing as they listened to the wind rushing through the trees. Soon there would be another day, another adventure to be had.
>>737721273Since we're already here, vote for your favorite 4chan fangame characters toohttps://strawpoll.com/BJnXV054PZv
>>737727770>>737727834>>737727928>>737728034I don't remember the last time I saw a momlet green here, but this was cute, I think the implication of Clover living outdoors is also interesting, I think it's the first time I've seen it, most people assume he's from an orphanage or that he had shitty parents
>>737727942>I don't know that would be the case, unless you're deliberately choosing to exclude certain greens based on your own preferencesnah I avoid doing that. I'm certain I've missed a bunch, with the nature of how greens go, and my eyes glazing over after a big searching session, but there's probably a few I've even added that don't really "qualify" as a complete green.I've got one I'm not sure how to handle though. It's a mooch x clover one that's actually written very sincerely(though it is lewd), but it's a ship I've almost never seen before, and not sure if people would consider that ship to be explicitly "shadow librarby only" or not since it's never been brought up again despite being well received in the thread it was posted in. I don't know where exactly the line should be drawn for that, if anything "dirty" should go in there or if only dirty things that are clearly "painful" if that makes sense. Sorry, just inflicting you with a micro dose of my own inner overthinking.
>>737728392>I don't know where exactly the line should be drawn for that, if anything "dirty" should go in there or if only dirty things that are clearly "painful" if that makes sense. How old is Clover implied to be in the green?>Sorry, just inflicting you with a micro dose of my own inner overthinking.Don't worry about it, these threads consist primarily of overthinking anyway, that's what makes them what they are.
>>737728392>I've got one I'm not sure how to handle though. It's a mooch x clover one that's actually written very sincerely(though it is lewd), but it's a ship I've almost never seen before, and not sure if people would consider that ship to be explicitly "shadow librarby only" or not since it's never been brought up again despite being well received in the thread it was posted in.Was Clover underage in that greentext? if he was then it should probably go to the shadow librarby
>>737728267Glad you liked it anon. Momlet gives me life, even though I don't write it as much as I want to. I want to get better at handling the bird in stories so I can go back to my original momlet fic at some point.> I think the implication of Clover living outdoors is also interesting, I think it's the first time I've seen it, most people assume he's from an orphanage or that he had shitty parentsI know it's just headcanon, but I tend to roll with the idea that at least for a time, he was roughing it in the woods. Perhaps to escape from the rough life it's assumed he had before.He's probably not slick enough to tough out a snowstorm in the woods all by himself, but he knows a thing or two about starting a fire, catching and preparing fish, things like that.
Hey, can anyone toss me some images of what the "ideal" physique for Martlet would be?The drawing I'm working on now is the first time I've drawn her full body in view, and I swear I just cannot get the proportions to look right, so I'm curious how other people see her, maybe that'll help me build my own mental image of her.
>>737728532>>737728529From what I remember, it doesn't say, so I could err on the side of caution with that one. I just know it's clearly not written with that same "intent to harm the reader" that "Ceroba pretending to be kanako" was for instance.
>>737728624I like how she looks in this one drawing, but I never thought too hard on what her "ideal" body would look like, I like it when artists make her chubby, but that doesn't really fit with her personality
>>737728624this drawing>>737728787is fantastic, but I also love the way wandering draws her. In good shape, but exuding feathery charm.
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>>737728726if it's not stated nor implied, then I think it's safe, no reason to store it in the CBT dungeon.
>>737728787>I like it when artists make her chubby, but that doesn't really fit with her personalityYeah, I kinda ended up making her a bit chubby on accident, and then I just sorta leaned into it after a while.I'd say it's not impossible that her being chubby would fit her, most of the engineers I've met have been on the larger side of things, and Martlet's basically a combat engineer if you think about it.Really, she should have the same physique as Dell Conagher.
>>737728624probably something like thishttps://files.catbox.moe/iau96l.png
>>737728138I notice that the top 3 belongs to playable game characters - which was to be expected - and then the most gooned characters in the vrpg thread.
>>737728726>"Ceroba pretending to be kanako"Are you referencing the fic where Chujin uses Kanako as a replacement goldfish or something else?
>>737729024>Really, she should have the same physique as Dell Conagher.hmm, I don't like that, and it makes me think of that artist who draws her built like the heavy.Birds in general, unless it's like a turkey, don't feel right being fat, and Martlet among them, is very active, frequently flying. It's nice when instead of fat, it's just the feathers being fluffy.She strikes me as being a sporty girl, who enjoys being active.
>>737729024>I'd say it's not impossible that her being chubby would fit her, most of the engineers I've met have been on the larger side of things, and Martlet's basically a combat engineer if you think about it.I think being on the heavier side doesn't fit her too much since we see her flying all the time, the extra weight would make that hard, even if Martlet flying already makes no logical sense
>>737729185no, it's one where anon comes home from work, to hear a voice calling out "daddy daddy you're home!" and it's ceroba crawling on her knees in Kanakos old clothing. it talks about how Anon knows if he doesn't play along, Ceroba will just beat him harder later.Ceroba abuse truly created some painful ideas.
I used to put a cardboard tube on my hand and pretend I was Megaman but that was over 20 years ago
>>737729251Huh. Another thing I'll have to check when the Green Room updates, then. The early threads really were something.
>>737729190>it makes me think of that artist who draws her built like the heavy.That is very funny though.Maybe this is what her offspring would look like if she got with a human.
>>737728957I'll keep that in mind then. If anyone in the future see's a story in there that they feel is a bit much for where I've placed it, as always, I appreciate the feedback. It will at least be something for me to consider.
>>737729280Did you move on to Megaman X?
>>737729294I haven't actually found that one again. Someone posted a screenshot of it like 3 months again, and as my eyes burned out of my skull, I forgot to save it.>>737729304it IS funny, but it's also not what I envision when I think of holding my beloved bird in my arms.
>>737729316X was the first one I played. Couldn't understand why in the old ones there was no wall slide that was so cool.
>>737721732>>Chujin getting NTR’d by Starlolink?
>>737729363Imagine if she talked like the heavy does when he has the Chicken Kiev equipped.
>>737729131To be fair the playable characters in this case all have something that makes them interesting, Cole is an extension of Clover who got shafted in his original story, we all want to see him overcome whatever will happen at the end of the week, we want to see him reaching the happy ending that he was denied.Val is just a funny concept in general, a battle obsessed kid who thinks he's Goku and just wants a good fight. but put in the pacifist world of Undertale where fighting is entirely optional, he's like a character from a fighting game or battle shonen that somehow got lost and ended in Undertale, plus him being an asshole gives him potential for interactions that you wouldn't get in other fangames.Then there's Racter, him being a monster protagonist already makes him standout, he's a complete coward yet has gained the power to change the world, I'm sure the dynamic between (You) and Racter will be very interesting as well, like a Kris that can directly talk to you.
>>737726096I do that too. I just also make fanfiction.
>>737729492to be honest, I haven't heard what it sounds like. does his voice change?
>>737720419Speaking of fics and Clover & Martlet, out of curiosity, I did some research regarding Clover's relationships on AO3>Go to Clover/Martlet tag>Mostly just ordinary romantic stories between aged up (hopefully) Clover and Martlet>Go to Clover/Ceroba and Clover/Starlo tags>It's literally just all rape and pedophiliaWhat does this mean. Why the difference?
>>737729534Racter is not in the top 5 yet, presumably because people disregard demo-less games after the Orange Mass Abortions.
>>737729628He's got an extremely high amount of votes for a character without a demo
>>737729609Martlet is coded like an older sister/young mother, while Ceroba and Starlo both live in delusions then attack you for it. It's easy to reframe that kind of "lapse of judgment".
>>737729589No, he just says lots of new bird-centric things.Here, this video has all his voice lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm0cZpP3Eyw
>>737729474I exaggerated the number of fanmade content that has this scenario. It's not that much. Search up "Haishin" on arr UndertaleYellowI hope this isn't your fetish
>>737729609Adult soda is at least EXPLICITLY aged up and is pretty nice.But as for Martlet, maybe she just brings out the inner romantic in a lot of us, while People live out their mommy and daddy complexes through Ceroba and Starlo?
>>737729628>Orange Mass Abortions.Val ran into a maternity ward and starting doing combos on all the women giving birth to bravery souls.
>>737720419I have not, but I’ve never been one for self insert stuff.
>>737729706>spoilerNah, I'm just wondering how they twisted characterizations to reach that scenario.
>>737727334Is that dark world martlet?
>>737729726NTA, but I've seen a fair few fics with Martlet doing some less than ethical things to Clover too.I haven't read any of them, because fuck that, but I've seen some tags you wouldn't wanna hear.
>>737729764>Machine Gun Punch
>>737729813I could be COMPLETELY wrong, but I think it connects to that AU where the human souls were turned into Temmies?I don't even fully understand what that sentence I said means myself. I just know it's a thing in some way, and I think Martlet is an inventor in it.
>>737729808>I'm just wondering how they twisted characterizations to reach that scenario.Not very well.If you're looking for good, or at least not nonsensical characterization, look elsewhere.
>>737729836I believe it, based on some of the terrible things I've learned about in these threads (of things people do off site). But I know there's a pretty hefty amount of aged up clover x martlet fics out there, and the way they are written, it sounds like "anon x martlet" written by the kind of people who can't get into the whole "anon" thing.>>737729808That story is a madworld designed for the sole purpose of making the reader feel bad.
>>737729701look, doctor girlfriend is funny, but I don't think I could handle that. Heavy martlet is a terrifying thought.
>>737729492I know you mean Heavy's actual voice lines but an0nymooose's bird videos immediately came to mindhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtIBHfOdyX0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8wMVmY7Zpwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B_EUvi9qE4
>>737729808Ah, ok then. Sorry for my judgement. That comic is OOC hell, and the reason why the cheating happens is because both Ceroba and Starlo were drunk while Chujin was doing volunteer work
>>737730035>look, doctor girlfriend is funny, but I don't think I could handle that.I believe you mean Dr. Mrs. The Monarch?She is a married woman, thank you.>Heavy martlet is a terrifying thought.>"Don't run anon, Martlet-Heavy only wishes to vomit down your throat! Tweet Tweet!"
>>737729978>But I know there's a pretty hefty amount of aged up clover x martlet fics out there, and the way they are written, it sounds like "anon x martlet" written by the kind of people who can't get into the whole "anon" thing.Yeah, kinda.
>>737729764Nah, Val was one of the few that survived the purges, now he's fighting for his life to become the strongest among the orange souls, he still has a long road ahead of him, who knows what challenges await him.
>>737730341Ah, so he parried the abortion doctor's attack back at him to survive, of course.
>>737729884>I could be COMPLETELY wrong, but I think it connects to that AU where the human souls were turned into Temmies?TS!Underswap?
>>737730427Yeah, in that one the Flowey role is taken by Temmies, and instead of being Asriel they are the lost human souls. It's a pretty interesting premise.
>>737730653NTA, but Flowey also exists in that version of Underswap, so is he still Asriel?
>>737730427Fuck if I kn->>737730653Apparently so
>>737730713No, Asriel is alive. The Flowey in TS!Underswap is almost certainly Monster Kid due to his mannerisms.
>>737730760Wait, wait, what?How the fuck does that work?Why the hell are Asgore and Toriel so upset if Asriel's just alive and well?And how the fuck did Monster Kid become Flowey, what sense does that make?
>no update for more than three months>no demo or one dating from three years back or moreI don't care about your concept art.
>>737730829Asgore is in Alphys' role, so technically the core "Asgore mismanaged the Human Problem" can be adapted to this timeline. Maybe the divorce is a canon event.
>>737730894>no update Wrong thread?
>>737730829We don't know yet, the only thing we know is that Frisk is dead in this timeline, which would be the Chara equivalent, so they probably divorced after Frisk's death
>>737730829Uhhh it's been a while, I don't remember all that well. But Undyne is the royal scientist in this one, and she's responsible for the existence of the Temmies, which I just remembered are not real Temmies but plushes. Plushes that each fallen human took with them after leaving Asgore's area, I think.>>737730937No Asgore is the Toriel in this one. And Toriel is the Asgore. Papyrus is the Sans and Sans is the Papyrus, and of course, Alphys is the Royal Guard (actually Royal Navy in this one) captain and Undyne is the royal scientist.Oh, and Mettaton is a ghost, while Napstablook became a robot DJ.
>>737730937Wait, in TS!Underswap?I thought Asgore was the guardian of the ruins in that one, swapping places with Toriel.
>>737730410Val's entire life has been a battle since the moment of his inception, that's why he can only think of fighting, it all makes sense!
>>737731005But how could Frisk be dead if Asriel is alive and well?I get it if the idea was that Frisk was the one who came up with the crazy soul absorption scheme in this universe, but shouldn't that have still resulted in Asriel dying?
>>737731035I think that anon had a brainfart Undyne takes the Role of Alphys in this timeline, and apparently she's some crazy anime scientist obsessed with giant robots, or at least thats what we can gather from her only line of dialogue in the game
>>737731070Well now we're just turning this into the Riddick universe.
>>737731153And Captain Alphys looks hot as fuck, that I do remember. I think she has a scar in one eye.
>>737731104I have no idea, but since monster kid is dead, I assume the idea here is that Frisk was best friends with MK, then Frisk came with the crazy plan, which ended with the deaths of both MK and Frisk and that lead to the divorce
>>737730894DRY's update was literally 2 weeks ago (or less than a week ago with the bugfix patch)
>>737731268I think I'm gonna have an aneurysm if I try and keep track of how any of these swaps actually work, so I'm just gonna stop asking questions now.
>>737730894>>737731308Besides the DRY update already mentioned, we had Naranja's demo like 2 months ago and the other devs keep showing progress on their games, this is the last place to make that sort of post
I think I fixed the issue I was having with drawing Martlet, I just had to like, move one of her legs a bit.She might end up looking a little tall now though, but oh well.
Does anyone know who did this image? I'd like to see if the comic in question ever got any more pages.
>>737729280Did you ever walk on your toes and pretend you were a dinosaur?
>>737731751>she might end up looking a little tallI can't be mad at this
>>737729589That Martlet is horrible, but I like that Chujin
>>737731784this artist drew a few comic pages but it doesn't continue the story, the story is a fic by some guy on reddit and its called "Ochre Tides" or something. it is an AU where the underground is a different place, kinda similar to how TS!US doessupposedly the fic has been in the works for months, maybe over a year, and will only be released publicly once it is complete. meaning there is a very high chance it just won't ever releasealso apparently the shattered decade author has contact with this writer and has read the fic before everyone else, and at least confirmed it is kanaclovernot completely sure if the signature here is the same artist but this is fanart for this fic
>>737729764No, Val was part of that mass abortion. He just parried the doctor's attacks.
>>737729884That's a fangame, not just an AU. So what, Martlet swapped with Chujin?
>>737727090OMG RAGEFAG HIIIIIII
>>737731969That's a rabbit hole of unexpected information right there. >will only be released publicly once it's completewell, I don't know what to do with this then. The way she reacts to clovers scars makes me think of when Meryl walks in on vash in trigun. It got me in the mood for a small bit of angst and maybe a dash of comfort.
>>737732108>martlet swapped with chujinI guess that would make the circumstance make a tiny bit more sense. Though the temmie thing is still ??? even after people explained it in the thread.
>>737731884honestly wouldn't mind more of the chujin design but I don't even remember who the actual artist was to see if there's other images.
Hey, since Martlet has those weird feather-hands instead of actually defined fingers, do you think that means she's less capable of using friction with her hands?Like, you know how you can get a better grip on things by just pressing your hand into something, do you think she can't do that because feathers are less capable of making that sort of friction than skin is?
>>737731219You can't just say that and not post an image.
>>737731335Yeah, stuff like this is why I don't care for swaps. Better to just make OCs. Less confusion that way.
>>737732920I think I know what you're talking about. If it comes down to tools, I think she can get a solid grip of them, but maybe on the backswing she's sent a hammer flying behind her before.Feathers do have the little interlocking barbs, so in theory those could give her some improved grip though. Maybe when working with things, when she gets frustrated, she uses her beak to get an extra grip on it? Birds have extremely sensitive beaks, with more nerves per whatever than even human lips. And yes I have given that statement a lot of thought.
>>737732845What's going on in that image?
>>737733165I think the context is "fusion between clover and kanako didn't go as planned"
>>737733109>If it comes down to tools, I think she can get a solid grip of them, but maybe on the backswing she's sent a hammer flying behind her before.Maybe she has Wii remote straps on her various tools. Actually, that's probably not a good idea.>Feathers do have the little interlocking barbs, so in theory those could give her some improved grip though.Do you think she could reliably pull apart two lego bricks stuck to each other such that there's no way to directly pry them apart from the middle?>Birds have extremely sensitive beaks, with more nerves per whatever than even human lips. And yes I have given that statement a lot of thought.What kinds of thoughts?
>>737733165NTA, but that's pretty clearly an amalgamate of Clover and Kanako.
>>737731335I was right about the scar but I think I was thinking of a DIFFERENT swap design that ALSO had an eye scar, because I remember that one also had a huge hammer as a weapon. Like the one Gerson uses, but that was way before Chapter 4.
>>737733285Hm.I'm not the anon who was asking about her, but she's alright, I guess.They made her head a lot less angular than in normal UT, which is an interesting change.
>>737733220instantly saved
>>737733223>Do you think she could reliably pull apart two lego bricks stuck to each other such that there's no way to directly pry them apart from the middle?honestly no, but maybe something like, if she was frustrated, or panicked she could use her talons and her beak in unison the way a real bird would in order to get it done?>What kinds of thoughts?Gently tracing my finger along the side of her beak as she leans into my touch, the sensation being stronger for her due to the sensitivity of bird beaks. Kissing the beak, of course, goes without sayingRunning my fingers through her feathers to help her with preening, but she is rubbing her beak through my hair because for her the act of preening is just as much what she feels when being preened, as it is the feeling of preening another with her beak.Bird.
>>737733491>honestly no, but maybe something like, if she was frustrated, or panicked she could use her talons and her beak in unison the way a real bird would in order to get it done?I'm just imagining her going all out to try and pry apart two lego bricks, and somehow still failing to do so.>Gently tracing my finger along the side of her beak as she leans into my touch, the sensation being stronger for her due to the sensitivity of bird beaks. Wonder what kind of reaction you'd get out of her if you kept rubbing it.
>>737733625>spoilersI like to imagine she'd start cooing uncontrollably Preening releases relaxation chemicals in berd brain.
Getting executed with a chainsaw by Delta!Luzma for betraying the cartel!
>>737732278it is a shame, I have wanted to read it ever since seeing the first fanart piece, but its been so long that I doubt we will see an actual releasepretty much all ochre tides posts I found are from 8 months ago, without any further progress (and shattered decade also being on hiatus) I can only assume the fic might be deadat least here are some comics to tide you over (reddit link trigger warning, also some angst)https://www.reddit.com/r/UndertaleYellow/comments/1mwdc4w/headpat_uty_ochre_tides/https://www.reddit.com/r/UndertaleYellow/comments/1jxr3nk/fateful_meeting_uty_ochre_tides/
>>737733692That does sound nice actually.All you need to do to calm your berd is give their beak a rub.Hm.
>>737732845>>737733165>>737733220there is a fic that tackles this scenario called "another phantom", it has a complete first act and will continue later, it is pretty interesting
>>737733831>that first oneI know it's super over the top angsty, but I must shamefully admit, I enjoy indulging once in a while. Most writers per that other conversation, don't know how to go anywhere with the angst other than an endless spiral sadly, but still, thank you anon.But based on what you said, yeah I have a hard time believing anything more will come of it, huh.
>>737732358You know how the Hommunculi in fma 2003 are like copies of real people that have their memories, but they're not really human and each one embodies a mortal sin? Its that. Only instead of using the components of a human body, they used soul juice and dolls.
>>737733879>Martlet on the surface>She's gotten Clover back, she's gotten to see and embrace the wild blue skies>And she even met you.>Everything she ever wanted and more>But she wakes up from a nightmare one day. One where she was back underground, with nothing but her own self worth reminding her that she'd never be anything.>You wake up to the sound of her trying to quiet her tears, but you sit up, and lean your head against hers, taking her face in your hands as you rub the side of her beak with your thumb, shushing and humming, even rubbing your nose against her beak further reminding her of your presence. She wraps her wings around you and lets out a sob, you just continue nuzzling your face against hers to calm her down until slowly, gradually, the tears change to a gentle sigh, and then into cooing. >you gaze into her eyes, planting a kiss against the top of her beak before telling her you love her.OH man
>>737734352Do people in this universe just not know what a temmie is? It feels like it would break any sense of tension to just homonculi someone into a temmie doll.
>>737734470monsters are dumb, most don't even recognize frisk as human despite certainly them knowing what humans look like from the media they consume (though I don't blame them since frisk does look like a mutant)
>>737733939huh, I'm a little curious at least.
>>737734541>frisk does look like a mutantReminds me of that one image of the fallen children. the twisted homonculi, embodying the various souls.
>>737734419Hey, that's pretty nice!Lots of hurt/comfort around these parts, wonder if that means anything.
>>737734470In universe "temmie" is just a name of a series of plushies. And they are created not from soul juice, but from cremated dust of the dead humans injected with DT.
momelette
>>737733220So like an anti-copefic
>>737734859We're making the mother of all momelette's here anon, can't fret over every egglet!
>>737734607Sometimes, the bird or fox helps us weather the storm. Other times we wish to be the one, the bulwark against sorrow. To stand where others might fall.It is a very human desire, is it not?
>>737733285So is there a lot of water in Underswap?
>>737734878"remember that tragic ending?""Hear me out, I'm about to make it way fucking worse."
>>737735012zenith martlet and genoclover are an underrated comedy duo
>>737734965Mm, indeed.To shield, or be shielded.
>>737734762>>737734541well, then I guess I have to ask the question from an out of universe perspective. Isn't that going to change the player perspective to something more humorous when the "6 human temmies gather" or whatever?
>>737735051>removed from the context of the actual underground genocide, they're just in another world forced to be in eachothers presence constantly. >neither of them are happy about the hijinks that they get into, but an outside observer might consider it funny
>>737735218They do so in the first part of the game already. And you don't know that they are even related to humans when you encounter them, it's still just a theory, even though highly likely.
>>737735349
>>737735370I do not know what to make of your reaction gif. You should try playing ts!underswap, anons here even told that it surpasses yellow if not for being incomplete.
>>737733752Her letting you off with a warning because she likes you and telling the other cartel guys you're cool.
>>737735671Sorry anon, I just had a strong sense of "what the fuck am I reading". I'll definitely check it out, I forget that it's actually playable and not just a fever dream sometimes.
>>737735924Alternatively, you can skip the combat encounter by wearing a DBZ shirt.
>>737736048>skip the combat encounterMy hero Val would NEVER
>>737733939So is it just misery porn about a Kanaclover amalgam?
>>737736080How would Val die in Ts!Underswap?
>>737734470The Temmies act cute to get you to let your guard down, then they kill you.
>>737736048>>737736080That's what Val did, and he's still mad he didn't get that fight.
>>737736458no, it actually ends on a quite positive note, at least act 1 doesact 2 hasn't started yet so we don't know if it will go there
>>737736491Maybe trying to stage a massive tournament arc with quetzali, to raise money to explore?
>>737735349So this is entirely conjecture then? What if none of that is true?
>>737736491He'd be swapped with someone else's personality, because this is a swap.
>>737736851Anon... The whole thing about Tsunderswap is they only swap roles and not personalities.That's the thing that makes it good and not utterly garbage like most other swapwank
well, finally took the time to play through DRY.done with chapter 1 and just started 2 (saw the spire)do have a few complaints and comments>so far, it seems to fall for the same pitfalls as most AUs. that being retreading too much old ground (ch1 is effectively just card kingdom but with less cohesive areas (instead using dark regions to pad it out), CH2's opening doesnt make it look like much more than a retread of cyberworld)>this extends to lord bearing being a retread of card king but with less buildup. down to him being all "oh ho only here to PUNISH and HUMILIATE me!">the darkner that you're supposed to talk to to continue the pennilton quest does NOT look like a coin at first glance. the shading is too soft, he looks more like a ball.>implementation of dark enemies somewhat misses the point, they're supposed to be pieces of fear that form from overabundant darkness.>bosses as a whole. they have random attacks, rather than ordered, and their attack variety is pretty slim. this makes them come across as gimmicky regular darkners more than bosses>CH2's opening does not give good hope for the chapter. the fall segment went on for way too long, the axis fight goes on a lot longer than it has to (spamming paradox for ten turns at minimum when he only has like three attacks), and everything is pointing to it being a retread of DR CH2>blue attacks are way too light, can barely tell they exist which defeats the purpose (and i can see the ones in UT(Y) just fine)>felix just being "lol gamur kid" feels cruel. really cant give him any more depth?i'll be adding onto this once i finish CH2 tomorrow, likely in the other thread since this one will probably be archived by then.
>>737736915I'm gonna be honest, I'm not really judgemental about people talking about low effort swap mods it's fine if you like them, but I'm going to be really judgemental if people are showing up in here saying "It's already better than Yellow" and "Not swapwank" if you have to lie, it's not good and it puts me off even putting it on the shelf with all the other>Undertale but Asgore is in the ruins isn't that quirky????Things.
>>737737065>implementation of dark enemies somewhat misses the point, they're supposed to be pieces of fear that form from overabundant darkness.some rules in DRY were changed on purpose for some reasons that will be revealed later. if you go in expecting it to be 1:1 to how DR works you'll get confused
>>737737074TS!US also swapped the setting and added some OCs that actually fit in well so it is more high effort/quality than your average swap AU that just changes the characters but everything else is the same
>>737737305Look, I don't need you to shill it to me, especially after you made a bad impression and are still lying about the basic premise of what it is.
>>737737357I'm not even the original guy that was replying to you, just watch a video if you must before dismissing the entire thing, it is worth your time if you care about quality
>>737737357>made a bad impressionsounding kind of dramatic there anon.
>>737737074>It's already better than yellowThats not my opinion, but consensus of the people here who played it when the last demo released like 2 years ago>Undertale but Asgore is in the ruins isn't that quirky????Yes, it's still a swap, although a well made one. If Asgore wasnt in the ruins that it wouldn't be a swap. I don't get your point. And now you accuse me of lying
>>737736915The Temmies beg to differ on that one. They definitely got a heavy personality change.
>>737723127Teams are tricky, because while you can delegate tasks to other people which can be more specialized than a single guy, it also means you are beholden to their schedules and the risk of internal drama increases exponentially with the more members you add to your team
I feel like we've had a lot of very dramatic and opinionated anons lately.Or it's all the same one guy somehow.I don't know which would be worse.
>>737737405I think you're overestimating my emotional levels regarding it, I'm just going to go back to playing the imaginary version of Naranja extended demo in my head.
>>737737171eh i get that but the rest of it is pretty bad, especially the retread stuff.the whole time i was playing ch1 i couldnt help but think about how similar a lot of it was to DR CH1, and CH2's opening up to the spire reveal hasnt helped.
>>737737564there's always gonna be a bit of opinionated behavior when you get this much autism in one place, but it does feel like there's been some "lashing out" occasionally?
>>737737706the later half of chapter 2 changes a lot so just take your time
>>737737707>but it does feel like there's been some "lashing out" occasionally?Yeah, I feel like there's been something of an uptick in anger from some anons lately.Some of that wording on that earlier post makes me feel like it's one anon in particular, but I'll hold my tongue.
>>737737405Shouldn't Axis be holding the umbrella?
>>737737564Lately? People here are just dramatic and opinionated. All the time.
>>737737513Did they really though? They changed roles, do you expect flowey and asriel to act the same?
>>737737915it makes more sense for him to actually yeah. Now that I think of it.
>>737737962Well yeah, they're plotting and scheming villains who act cute and stupid. That's Flowey's personality, not just his role. If they wanted the Temmies to stay the same personality wise, then they need to actually be retarded in addition to filling that villain role. Not just pretending.
>>737737949No yeah, but just, there's been a specific flavor of it popping up more and more lately.Plus, that one anon did have a near complete mental breakdown over a pixelated plush rabbit.
>>737737664It's a cool underground jungle place with a big temple they have a fighting tournament on, and there's like platforming sections where you bounce on crystals and mirrors to light your path forward.The temple isn't ancient, the locals just think the architecture is cool to spar on.
>>737737834>Some of that wording on that earlier post makes me feel like it's one anon in particular, but I'll hold my tongue.Well you got me curious
>>737738098Maybe its all the recent releases. DRY and Naranja both came out relatively recently. >Plus, that one anon did have a near complete mental breakdown over a pixelated plush rabbit.Well I'm not a new addition. I've been here for years now.
>>737738089But flowey exists in the game as well already. I guess being undead and remembering resets makes you like that. And they aren't supposed to stay the same personality wise, it's just that their personality shouldn't be swapped with someone else's. Temmies seem to be swapped with 6 human coffins, I dont think they had much of a personality in UT
>>737738234>Well I'm not a new addition. I've been here for years now.I know that, I just assume the mental episode was new.Unless that's just a recurring thing you do every now and then, in which case, good fucking god.
quick thing since i felt like drawing some momlet, could've come out better but i tried
>>737738570Blessed be, thank you for this.
>>737738570Nice work!
>>737738415No that's new for me too. I've never had fiction affect me so severely.
>>737738570Nice, it's a pretty cute picture
>Frisk fucking Toriel is a staple of the fandom>Clover fucking Martlet isn'tExplain to me why THIS mom character isn't lewded more.
>>737738706Alright, good.Hopefully you don't go off the deep end like that again anytime soon, for your own sake.Think I was about out of jokes to make with Bun Bun anyway, even if shitposting in mspaint is fun every now and then.
>>737738901>Explain to me why THIS mom character isn't lewded more.She absolutely is, just not nearly as much WITH Clover.
>>737738901Because Martlet is for Anon
>>737738901Because 1. Times have changed2. Why would you self-insert into a child and pretend they’re an alpha chad instead of making an anonymous human male character
>>737739310b-but the traditions...
>>737739310>2. Why would you self-insert into a child and pretend they’re an alpha chad instead of making an anonymous human male characterBecause we're only human.
>>737728624When I think ideal physique of Martlet these images comes to mind. They show her proportions quite clearly, and I can buy in a realistic sense, this is what it would look like. https://files.catbox.moe/wwha8r.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/8grqpu.png
>>737737706How would you make DRY Chapter 1 better?
>>737740725Of course, those images.No, not a fan of those, and I think that kind of physique is just a bit much for Martlet anyway.
>>737740725I'm admittedly in a sort of back and forth on these bodies.On one hand I can totally see Martlet having a body like this, like I can believe it, in part because I imagine her flying around, and doing physical work a lot.On the other hand, some part of me is like, yeah she can definitely have a body like this, I do think it's the ideal one for her but... I just can't put my finger on it.
>>737741545for me it's the arms. I can see the abs being toned since flight probably works your core, but while the arms don't look bad, they aren't quite as "wing arm" as I'm used to with Martlet, so it throws off my whole perception of the body.
>>737741775
>>737741775What is it missing?
>>737741775>>737741802that's funny.
>>737741816A hat, obviously
>>737741816Dih...
>>737741710The arms don't bother me to much, because I've seen a lot interpretations where they're adjusted a bit so her arms aren't just wings, and more like something she can adjust to where she has hands.I can see her having full wing arms, or semi wings as an artistic choice. The body itself I admit looks on point for Martlet to have.
>>737741545I personally don't see her being so built like that.Martlet's wing-arms aren't actually proportional to her own body, so she's clearly not flying under her own power according to actual physics, so it's not necessarily the case that she'd actually be so muscular as a result of flying about so much.
>>737741993I guess so, it just throws off her build a bit to me. But it may just be my absolute love of feathers.
Alright, putting one more update out for the Librarby this weekend, https://rentry.org/The-Librarbyhttps://rentry.org/The-Green-RoomI added 11 more greens and changed the way I had some of the prior ones are sorted so that greens are usually(when I remember) sorted by relevant character first.I have also finally created The Shadow Librarby, which has 10 entries of it's own. I will continue to update it when I come across the more "unique" stories. I'm not directly linking it here, but you can find it by looking at how I set up the URLs for the other two rentrys and putting 2 and 2 together.May god have mercy on our souls.
>>737740725If we're talking about Martlet's body, then yeah I think this is the ideal physique for her.>>737741710Like this anon said, I guess her not having her full on wing arms here may throw people of, but that seems more like a stylistic choice to just make her easier to draw, and not a deliberate choice to remove them because the artist doesn't like wings.Personally I'm not to bothered, plus if people want to get her the wing arms with that physique, they can.
>>737742630>I'm not directly linking it here, but you can find it by looking at how I set up the URLs for the other two rentrys and putting 2 and 2 together.Ah yes, only those who can see into the dark are worthy of traversing it.
>>737742630Boy.Can really feel what you were feeling when you labelled some of these things.
>>737742630Hey, I think you forgot a part of the one with all the Ketsukanes being fat fucks, there's another part with Starlo going to investigate the estate after none of them come out for a while as Axis warns Starlo that he doesn't want to see what's become of them.I don't think it ever continued from there though.
>>737742630Very surprised the 'roba piss green isn't here.Then again, maybe it was just a bit too tame in comparison to some of these.
>>737743067It's not as bad as the worst of them, but it's definitely shadow librarby material.I don't remember enough key words from it to find it, and I haven't come across it yet in my archive searches.>>737742916I'm going to assume that's the multi page one I didn't read. The thread I found it in didn't have that extra continuation you're talking about.>>737742776I can feel the individual atoms of my mind dispersing when that page is open.>>737742706Only the worthy may survive the journey.
>>737743269>I don't remember enough key words from it to find it, and I haven't come across it yet in my archive searches.Hold on, think I have it as a png.Yep, here you go.
>>737729609Ceroba is a fox who will attract more of the stereotypical furry crowd and Starlo is a Tumblr sexyman. Both groups are associated with horrible fetishes and mental diseases. Birds aren't something most furries gravitate towards and Martlet is written as an idealistic tomboy, so vanilla romantic types like myself favor her.>>737731032>>737733285>Royal Navy>in a kingdom entirely underneath a mountainThat's funny. I hope they based it off former Austro-Hungarian countries formally having "navies" despite being landlocked.>>737738570Is that...lizard Clover? That surprised me. But very nice work
>>737743269Oh, my mistake, it was actually written in *retaliation* to the guy who wrote the main ones.Anyway, here it is, I guess it could be added as a companion piece of sorts: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/665325493/#q665334945
>>737743476I think you might be giving yourself a bit too much credit by excluding yourself from the "mental diseases" crowd, anon.
for return to form, i'm throwing around the idea of a 5th and final interlude chapter from the point of view of melodyher death and subsequent soul splitting and all that, but i worry about explaining too much and if it'd be best left vagueany thoughts on this?
>>737743417I wonder if the anon who wrote this is still with us.Did he know the legacy he would create?
>>737743557"horrible" applies to both "fetishes" and "mental diseases." I'm by no means pure, but I try to keep my flaws less bad than what I see on the internet regularly.>>737741775I might be wrong, but I think Kanako might have a crush and be idealizing Cole.
>>737743569>i'm throwing around the idea of a 5th and final interlude chapter from the point of view of melodyYou should absolutely do this. Anything that deepens the story of your world, is something that should definitely be included.It's okay to have some things vague if they aren't to relevant, but as Melody is 100% important to the story, adding more story in regards to what happened to her would certainly add to the story as a whole, and do a lot of good for it.
>>737743417>>737743484Both have been added. The thread you linked me with the retaliation seems to have several normal greens in it, as well as some cursed ones I haven't seen before and don't feel like looking at right now. There are now 12 man made horrors well within our comprehension in the shadow librarby. I'm going to give myself a break before I do another archive crawl, but feel free to post any links to specific greens you want me to add, and I'll get them put in as my sanity recovers.
>>737743836Watching the shadow librabry update in real time like that was hilarious.Also, man, that one about Starlo (the one where he's fat, not the other one) could *almost* have been normal, if the fat stuff was just cut out of it.Like, it really is just thrown in there for no reason, a pinecone in a fruit salad.
>>737742630Is the Shadow library linked somewhere or do you have to maunally put it in? Also Roba losing custody doesn't seem to warrant being put there
>>737743910You have to manually put the URL in, he said he didn't want to link it directly.Honestly, this is funnier.
>>737743569I'm gonna be binging to catch up on return to form soon, but I feel like everyone has their own ideas of how things actually went down with the integrity soul, so it's probably best to at least leave some gaps for people to fill with their imagination. Not necesarily too much, but just a few things to give people some mental wiggle room.>>737743874I saw your post, sighed, and opened the tab back up. >Also, man, that one about Starlo (the one where he's fat, not the other one) could *almost* have been normalIt's surreal. I found the link for it before I realized the context, and was sort of flashbanged by that.
>>737743910>Also Roba losing custody doesn't seem to warrant being put thereI felt really bad after seeing that one, so I may have overreacted and just assumed others wouldn't want to see that unless they knew what they were getting into.
>>737744029>I saw your post, sighed, and opened the tab back up. For as much as I deeply appreciate all that you do for our sake, I cannot say that I don't find it greatly amusing to inflict these things on you.Oh, I suppose I should send you the "patient zero" of the weird Kanako greens as well then, yes?>It's surreal. I found the link for it before I realized the context, and was sort of flashbanged by that.I know, it's so bizarre. The fat stuff really does feel like it was injected in for the sake of ruining an otherwise surprisingly decent green about Starlo post-pacifist.
>>737744069NTA, but don't listen to him.Keep that one in the shadows.
>>737744113>Oh, I suppose I should send you the "patient zero" of the weird Kanako greens as well then, yes?I'm not looking forward to it but, lay it on me.
>>737743476>Royal Navy>in a kingdom entirely underneath a mountainTo be fair in TS the underground is mostly filled with water, the second location in the game is literaly named starlight islands
>>737744202Here you go: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/663791254/#q663849136This is, as best I can tell, the thing responsible for starting the trend of people writing weird stuff about Kanako. Surprisingly, it's not even fat-fetish related.I once spoke with someone who claimed to be the anon responsible for this.He sounded oddly remorseful, for what he had started.
>>737743769>I'm by no means pure, but I try to keep my flaws less bad than what I see on the internet regularly.Be that as it may, but I feel like it's somewhat disingenuous to imply that the primary reasons people like Ceroba and Starlo are due to "horrible" things, while people like Martlet primarily for "pure" reasons, come on now.
>>737744315I am feeling an odd mix of distress, and nausea.
>>737744365I phrased myself poorly, sorry. Didn't mean most people who like Ceroba or Starlo are that and I think Starlo is cool personally. I take issue with furries (that is, the kind who go to cons, have fursonas and who draw weird Sonic art) and with Tumblr. Furries gravitate toward canines and vulpines more than any other anthro animal and Tumblrites go after "sexymen" with character designs like Starlo's. Both groups are also extremely online so you get disproportionately bombarded by their content. Martlet isn't immune but there aren't as many freaky people who go after her specifically.
>>737744540I want you to know I laughed so hard on seeing the list of the shadow librarby get even longer.Truly, this is comedy gold, knowing the pain that goes into each update.
>>737744594In a second hand way, the thought of the page updating on cue like that is kind of funny. However I have reached my limit for one night. I'll put off any further updates for another day.
>>737744926>I'll put off any further updates for another day.Just as well, I've run out of things to inflict on you.For now.Thank you for your noble works, good anon, and I wish you a good night.
>>737744926Oh, you know what, I just remembered a few more!There were some greens someone wrote where Flowey talks directly to Ceroba after Ceroba pushed Clover into the Steamworks coolant to try and get their soul, but I'll need to go find them, they were from *way* back.Also one about Martlet vomiting up popsicle sticks into either Clover's or [you]r mouth, but I have no idea where that one is.
>>737745130Okay, about that second one.Either it's vanished off the face of the earth, or my brain tricked me into thinking it was popsicle sticks, because I didn't find that one.I found something worse.Much worse.
>>737745275If it's the Martlet one I think it is, do not post that cursed text. Don't. Just please don't. No one here should have to suffer gazing upon that.
>>737745398It probably is, yes.I did find a much less bad but still kinda bad one that was gummy worms though.It's weird, I really do remember popsicle sticks in particular.Oh, I also found like a dozen other things I'll be sure to post the next time you're willing to go back into the dark depths.
>>737745398Your wording in this post makes it sound like you would be compelled to look at it to add it to the shadow librarby, if I posted it.Which is a very funny thought, I must admit.
>>737745703There are few things I can read on the internet that would make me gag. That Martlet greentext was one of them. It was that bad.
>>737745983Know that I will not be sending that green to you, only because I consider it a line too far, and much too cheap, to cross.
>>737745983I've read some very questionable stuff here, and while I don't know what greentext your referring to, it couldn't have been that bad right?
>>737746498How bad would you personally define as being "bad"?I'm not posting it (just yet), because I'm pretty sure that anon is soul-bound to look at it and add it to the shadow librarby if I do.
>>737723127This one is also unafraid of reusing assets which I think should be the norm, UTY has also inspired a shitload of fan activity on 4chan because of how much it fumbled the character and story
>>737746607Post it, I want to see it
>>737746607You would deny us this one pleasure, Anonymous?
>>737748236>>737748423Welp.Don't say I didn't warn you.(to the archive anon, yes, it is *that* green. you know what it is, you don't need to add it to the shadow librarby, it's okay. we all know it)https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/672841897/#q672897585
>>737748423Pleasure is NOT the word to use for this.
>>737748547>skim it to see what the fuss is about>first word I see is fecalI should've listened...
>>737748236You really don't. Trust me on this. I'm trying to spare you. It's not to late.
>>737748816You have no one to blame but yourself.
>>737748843I thought I was strong enough to tank it...
>>737748876Your strength is nothing in the face of the darkness of the early threads.You are nothing.
Well, time for me to hit the sack.Try and send this one off well for me, eh anons?I have more relics I've found from the archives that I'll be happy to share later, to be enshrined forever within the librarby of shadows.
>>737748547Well, that was disgusting, specially the part of Clover sucking his fingers clean>>...it seems like everyone else has woken up>>"Guess I've got more mouths to feed!"Somehow the last line manages to put an even worse image on your head, is this the worst greentext from these threads?
>>737748547Do you think god hides in heaven in fear of what he's created?
>>737748816I tried to spare you from this. When people here are telling not to look at something. DON'T look at it.The red flag couldn't have been any clearer.
>>737748972>is this the worst greentext from these threads?The worst greentext from these threads *so far*!
>>737738570>could've come out better but i triedIt looks excellent, but I suppose even when you become a master you still feel like you could have done better.
>>737749008My HERO Val would look.
>>737748948share them, that greentext was disgusting, but not enough to scare me, it already left my mind.
>>737749008They asked me to post it, how could I possibly refuse such eager curiosity?
>>737748972Don't talk about it. Why are you talking it?This should have been buried to the end of days.
>>737749057>Why are you talking it?Because I read it and I wanted to share my opinions on it?>This should have been buried to the end of days.If we erase the crimes from the past then no one will how terrible they were.
>>737749054By not posting it. Now anyone in this thread who clicks that link, will be scarred for life.Some things are better left in the deepest darkest pits.
>>737749051No Val wouldn't look at this. In fact Val would probably rather die than look at this.
>>737749152You go knocking on enough doors asking to see the devil, and eventually he may answer.
i should make an actual dating sim with my wife in it
>>737749053Don't worry, I'll post them later, when I have the time.
>>737749207nah, he would, he has probably watched cartel execution videos in the past, just to see if they are as horrible as people say
>>737742040I can. Martlet is built, but she's not to built here. I highly doubt she'd be chubby, and I don't think she'd have thin build either.The more I look at her background, and the things she's done/been involved in, the more I realize, yeah she should be pretty physically fit all things considered.Carpenting can be a lot or physical labour, especially if it's something she does on her own. It's kind of heavily implied she built her house entirely by herself, in which case, her physique would look something like that, after finishing a project of that size.She's no Undyne, but Martlet should be somewhat built after all that.
>>737748547I fucking hate you. I should have listened. That was disgusting in ways I can't put into words.
>>737738901Like the others said, times changed, people would be more willing to draw Clover fucking Martlet if Clover were a teen like Kris
>>737748547Curiosity eviscerated the cat.
Sex with monster women
The best part about forming bullet patterns is knowing humans dont know how too. Its important to make bullet patterns, to remind humans that they shouldnt have anything good in life. They're allowed to have... cheap retail store roller food from New Home, and cowboy hats and ponchos or whatever they wear... and, y'know thats pretty much it. Oh, hey! That was a pretty cool bullet pattern, not that a ningen would know, HAHAHA!
The best part about having determination is that monsters don't how to, it's important to have determination, to remind monsters that they can't change their fate. They're allowed to be... NPCs and support characters and background characters or whatever roles they can take... and, y'know thats pretty much it. Oh, hey! That was a pretty cool SAVE, not that an animal would know, HAHAHA!
>>737753320The worst part of forming bullet patterns is that you need to come up with attacks that are fun to dodge, don't take too much time, and somewhat fit the character
What's the correct course of action to take if a monster shows you their human fucker license?
>>737749256I wonder what happened with that guy that was making a Martlet dating sim
>>737740741right now, i just think it plays out too similarly to DR CH1>bearing is established as a not!king early on with his hate for lightners revolving around being abandoned>honvich is a k round + roulx replacement. but unlike roulx he has absolutely zero presence outside of the times he's on screen. i dont think a single darkner mentions him in passing.>the same rundown of "go through the world's outskirts, get to the BBEG, beat him and leave"if you had a not!lancer in DRY CH1 it would be nearly indistinguishable from DR CH1 on an abstract story outline level.as for how i'd change it,>bearing's desire to enter the light world is made more prominent early on. and make it so that while he doesnt hate lightners, he knows that with them around the fountain will eventually be closed. so he has to push them as far away from it as possible while he tries to enter the light world.>honvich is mentioned by other darkners, or elsewhere at all, in some capacity>fixing the last point would require a mandatory diversion somewhereand now that i've had time to think on it. another big, arguably most damning, thing thats missing is character shenanigansfor example in DR CH1 you had sources of character shenanigans with lancer all throughout the dark world, and with CH2 you had queen and the double-triple-truce plot. these are drivers for characters to interact with each otherkris is the brick wall that everything bounces off of, ralsei is the innocent good boy, and susie is the trouble maker. they just need interaction drivers for character shenanigans.so far there really hasnt been an interaction driver in DRY, i can kinda excuse it since CH1 was just cole and kanako, but if its the same way in CH2 i'm going to be incredibly disappointedthis lack of character shenanigans is also part of why everyone calls kanako flat and bland, so far she hasnt had any real moments for who she is to show.im hoping its better in CH2, but im not holding my breath for it.
>>737757385I think some of these things were pointed out before, specially the lack of a Lancer equivalent, or something that fills his role of providing character interactions, I haven't played Chapter 2 yet, but from what I've seen its better at providing "character shenanigans"
>>737744580Ntayrt, but as someone who likes Starlo and Ceroba better than Martlet, you do have a point. It doesn’t help that they’re both more deranged and both daddy and mommy “coded” like the other anon said while Martlet can pass off as an older sister figure. She’s the nicest and least retarded UTY character
>>737758219I think Dalv has shown to be less retarded than Martlet, but that might be because he barely does anything in the game.
>>737744113>The fat stuff about StarloI feel like one could do a realistic story about how Starlo or some other character (probably not Ceroba, I’m not entertaining that) fell into depression after Clover’s death and copes with the depression via eating without it being fetishy. This story almost gets there, but the fat fetish aspects is emphasized so much. Starlo getting as big as Ed is all I needed to know
>>737758168I'd say the Lancer equivalent in DRY is split between Honvich as the pompous hindrance and Tom/Rocky as the goofy goobers.
I had a dream last night about fangames. I was playing some weird version of DRY with a completely different plot. Toaster was still there, but he had a completely different shtick, and had a running bit of changing out his body in every scene he was in. There was also a completely different dark world and third party member.We're going through this dark world, and its a bit like TV world in terms of vibe, though its not literally a stage. We solve these puzzles and find this secret area. Atmosphere immediately changes. From the implications of the environment, this is apparently an incredibly important secret area. We do some more puzzles to unlock this one sealed room. This is it, the real boss of this dark world is behind that door. Toaster is just his puppet. We open the door and... its Gaster. Like pre fractured version. He's like "alright, you got me". Then he very casually explains everything, it all makes sense. To me anyways, Kanako is confused but just goes along with it out of a lack of better ideas. He turns around to get some rewards for us, Wizard of Oz style, then trips and falls over. Gaster's head falls off. He stands back up and turns around. Its Toaster in a costume. He says "whoops", then slides off screen with a slide whistle sound. We go right back to our original plan of chasing down and catching toaster, as if this entire sequence didn't happen.
>>737745983Ok now I'm curious. What happened in it?
>>737747773Clown vomit Kanako
>>737760359>MY DELTARUNE YELLOW.>YOU HAVE OME VERY, VERY IMPORTANT MISSION.>TO MAKE THE COWBOY AND THE FOX KISS.
>>737748547Could've just said scat and we would've got the picture.
>>737748876This is how Val's gonna die
>>737760917He just needs to be stronger than Perfect Cage's final kamehameha
>>737753320*JUSTICE BLAST*
>>737754908Show them my monster fucker permit, of course.
>>737753320i got 'yer human made bullet pattern right here*BANG*
>>737760761thats fox clover which is another monster clover take from reddit
>>737760706Its scat Martlet takes a shit on Clover's mouth and he eats it
>>737762205That's exactly what'll be going through his head as he waits for them to charge their ultimate attack.
I wish that Lizardart guy would draw quetzali
>>737763494>Lizardart guyWho?
>>737763723He drew a cool ceroba a while ago.
>>737763908The one that looked like an old disney cartoon character?
>>737763962Yes?
>>737720419
>>737763097Damn anon, I didn't know you liked banging monsters.
>>737765876Everyone hers wants to bang a monster, sometimes they want to bang multiple
I really like the Anon being a dad to Sadie green.>>737749008You do realize that encourages people on the internet more, right?>>737753320SAVE'd>>737757385If you spare the first intelligent darkners you encounter, they tell you they'll tell Honvich. I like him as a character since his personality is very different from Bearing's and it's well-defined. I personally think Chapter 1 has better dimension because of him.>>737760359Your dream managed to nail Toby Fox's style. Nice, Anon. What did Gaster sound like?
>>737766042at he same time?
>>737766687What is Honvich's character? Like he's a book, and he's big, but what is he like as a person?
>>737766687>What did Gaster sound like?I don't know, I don't think anyone had defined voices in that dream. Aalso, why are you complementing me on my dreams? As if I have any control over them.
>>737745130I laid down last night but checked the thread one last time before going to sleep. I saw this post and thought "oh wow how horrible" and went to sleep, avoiding thinking about the Shadow LIbrarby at all.I woke up with a headache, as if some terrible omen was waiting for me. I figured I'd seen the worst of what the old threads had to offer and that at "best" there would be occasional uncomfortable greens I had to put up with.Jesus christ anon. I hope that You'll consider also sending pleasant greens that you remember to counteract the absolute nightmares you've unleashed upon us all.
>>737767172A proud, regal villain. Not someone who's necessarily honor bound, but is proud of himself in all matters. He's not sorry for what he's doing, but he's kind of like bearings royal knight.He's a better character than bearing to be honest and I wish he was on that character poll as well.
>>737767738The game did a pretty poor job of communicating that. All I got was Bearing's lackey, likes education and discipline.
>>737767945That's the impression I got while playing the game personally.
>>737767105Probably
>Starlo sweepI mean I expected him to get a lot of votes but I thought he'd be slightly behindI also expected more votes for Axis to be honest
>>737769104https://strawpoll.com/PKglelmreZpMeant to repost the poll so people awake earlier got a chance at it.
>>737767738>>737767945He's quite literally by-the-book in terms of his personality. He's a knight or mercenary of Bearing and while he's annoyed at the two teens' poor study habits, he isn't actually evil or malicious. This is why he calls you out if you put him in the Dark Jail and isn't imprisoned. He's just there to do his job and that means stopping you. I respect this sort of character because it's the mindset of the archetypical soldier, which isn't one you encounter in Deltarune. You get it in Undertale with the royal guards (NOT Undyne) but not with any major characters.>>737769104Shopkeepers need more love.
>>737769702>Shopkeepers need more loveyou're not wrong, but I only had so many votes to give. >He's a knight or mercenary I feel like Knight is better because often (not always), mercenaries are looked at as an honorless lot.
>>737769702I would respect it if the game actually took the time to make sure I the player knew that. That's an ever present problem in DRY, really weak characterization. The characters may have personalities, but you hardly ever see them.
>>737770294I've said multiple times I'm not a writer, I'm a programmer. I'm literally learning how to write as I go alongbut feedback is always welcome and I am trying to improve, will try to keep this in mind for the future
>>737770294I get that with a lot of characters, but honvich was pretty straight forward, and he had enough screen time to get that across. It's not the most earth shatteringly unique personality, but of all the people to say that on, honvich?
>>737770520Sorry if that sounded mean. I only say what I say because I genuinely have high hopes for the games developed here and want the best for them.I'd say if you change one thing about DRY, it should be putting a much stronger emphasis on character's personalities and how that makes them interact with each other. Think of them like particles colliding and bouncing off of each other, each of those collisions is an interaction, and the sum of all those interactions is the story.You probably need to think more about character's personalities, and try your hardest to communicate them to the player through actions and interactions. If that means adding to the runtime or rewrtiting entire scenes, then that may be necessary. Most of my work writing is spent coming up with funny little interactions, or spent pondering character's worldviews and how that would influence their behavior. Sorry if all of that was a rambling mess, I'm kinda sleep deprived right now.
>>737770905Yes, I'm going to say that about Honvich. I got the impression he was a bit of a hardass, but I barely knew him. Compare that to someone like Rouxls. He shows up in the last section of chapter 1, but he makes a strong impression with all of his actions. You can learn that he's a puzzle enthusiast with a high opinion of himself that works for the king, but he's also an idiot and a charlottan, almost all of what he says is bluff and bluster, and on top of all of that he's a coward that changes sides the instant he starts losing. And on top of *that* he's also got a soft side, genuinely caring about Lancer.He communicates that excellently with his puzzle scenes, his shop dialogue, and the K round fight. And he's also foreshadowed by the graffitid puzzle earlier in the chapter.Contrast that to Honvich, who has two fights, with not much lead up to them beyond him threatening the main characters in a normal big scary villain way. Most of the dialogue that could've gone towards characterizing him either went towards exposition, characterizing Foxlace, or characterizing Bearing.
>>737771321My issue with this is, you're comparing it to toby's characters. DRYs characters absolutely could use improvement, and Toby's characterization is a great example to use to work towards improving, but it's not the bare minimum bar before a character is being characterized.Combined with Honvich having a very simple characterization that doesn't take long to grasp, you get a pretty solid idea of who he is by his second fight, and his jail dialogue gives more perspective on it.I take issue with the approach because, the way you're approaching your advice is criticizing it for how it fails to live up to toby's level of character writing rather than just using it as an example of what he should strive for.I do agree though, that the characters could use more of those moments touching the scenes and interacting with other characters to give little tastes of who they are make them feel more connected to the world but also to give you multiple facets of their designs.The problem with this is probably that DRYanon is dedicating more of that screen time to just kanaclover moments, which are great, but in order to bring some of the other characters to life better, he probably needs to engage the cast in some of those moments or cut off more of those moments to give that "web" of interactions toby does really well.
>>737772186I never said it was the bare minimum. I was just using it as an example of how it should be done, one that everyone here would know. I guess I could cite examples from other games that have nothing to do with Deltarune if you think me using it as an example is setting the standard too high.I know Honvich is a poorly implemented character because fails to make me feel anything. He's just sorta there, as are most of the other characters. A character should get a reaction out of the reader if they're important enough to be named and have dedicated screen time. I think even a failed attempt that comes across as annoying or cringe is better than one that gets no reaction at all.As for Kanaclover, that doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with characterizing the other characters better. A well written scene can include all three characters, and use the interactions between them to characterize all three. Maybe Cole is concerned for Kanako's safety and grabs her, then they hold on to each other for a bit longer, turning it into a tender moment, then Honvich calls them out for PDA, which is against school rules, then Kanako angrily denies it being anything like that. There you go, three characters get developed at once.
>>737772775that's a good idea, but I am likely not going to rewrite chapter 1 againI do have a few friends of mine helping me with some of the writing (the same ones that help me playtest) but of course it is a small sample pool, I will try to see if I can find more testers/people that give suggestions for future content and see how it goes
>>737772186It should be worth noting that no matter what, you also can't expect everyone to get the meaning you're providing or to understand the complexities of their motivations. Look at all the retards who ship Suselle thinking it's a le wholesome yuri crush when it's obvious Noelle has a projection of who Susie is which doesn't match up to reality, or how the crush isn't reciprocated because there's no actual chemistry. Or, at the people who froth at the mouth hating Ralsei by thinking his lying is malicious, when, whether he is justified or not, he genuinely cares about Kris and Susie and he is trying to help them. There were a bunch of things that I missed on my first playthrough, only to facepalm in realization when others pointed them out.This makes it harder for writers. Spell it out too much and the characters become flanderized and lose their complexity. Keep things subtle and large swathes of your audience won't get it. It's one of those balancing acts that can't be solved by technique but only by art.>>737772775What reaction should've been provoked from Honvich? I got the sense that Chapter 1 was meant to evoke mystery, whimsy and a degree of fear on the part of Kanako. Unlike with the Fun Gang in DR, she is consistently worried about getting home as well as how she is going to tell her mother she lost the prized necklace. To be consistent with his Honvich would have to be more on the menacing side, but if that was the case he wouldn't have enough contrast with Bearing who is meant to be the actual menacing villain.>then Honvich calls them out for PDA, which is against school rules, then Kanako angrily denies it being anything like thatThat's a good suggestion actually.
>>737772775>As for Kanaclover, that doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with characterizing the other characters better. A well written scene can include all three characters, and use the interactions between them to characterize all threethat's exactly what I was saying in that post. A lot of the time that could be used to develop other characters, is being used solely on those two. I think getting other characters involved the way you described is absolutely ideal and would go a long way to improving his scenes.>I never said it was the bare minimum.you didn't "say" that, but a lot of criticism gets framed in a 'how it fails to be like one of toby's scenes' angle which I'm saying isn't really helpful when dryanon is saying he's not got the writing chops as it is. It's the writing version of that "how to draw an owl" image. Toby isn't perfect at everything, but with character dynamics being one of his strongest aspects it's like "you're failing at point C, you should be doing what person who can get all the way to point Z really really well is doing."The scene you set up in that last part there is really good imo. If it's handled in a different way every time, he could probably keep that dynamic up with different characters interjecting themselves in kanako and coles scenes without it growing old, and it would make the scenes where kanako doesn't get interrupted feel all the more special.
>>737773370>that's a good idea, but I am likely not going to rewrite chapter 1 againThat's fine. This is is still a learning experience that you can pull from in the future. There's three chapters left and that other game you're working on. I'd say a good exercise you could do is to put your characters in scenarios and see how they'd react, and how they'd feel about it. Maybe when you're playing a game or watching a movie stop and think "what would (character) do in this scenario?". You should also constantly be trying to think of funny interactions the characters could be having with each other. Even if the interaction serves no narrative purpose or can't even fit anywhere in the game, it'll still let you build up a strong idea of their personalities, which will help you write them later.
>>737769702>Shopkeepers need more love.I always forget that last shopkeeper exists, they got ignored harder than Guardener
>>737773818I'm curious how we're going to fit a whole week (or the 5 days left in it) in three chapters. Will it be resolved before it's up?>>737774854Doesn't help that a point-of-no-return is close enough that it's easy to miss a lot of things in the apartments. Bits is a QT though and has a fantastic comedy dynamic with Buttons.
>>737773425>Spell it out too much and the characters become flanderized and lose their complexity. Keep things subtle and large swathes of your audience won't get it. That is an issue to keep in mind, but it is still vital to get *A* reaction out of the audience. Even a wrong reading of a scene is better than complete indifference. Like those people who think Ralsei is secretly evil and the people who like Suselle still got something out of the characters. Even if it wasn't what the author intended, they did engage with the story and the characters in a positive way. As a side note it is possible to hate Ralsei and know that he has nothing but good intentions for Kris and Susie. I hate him specifically because he thinks what he's doing is a good thing and that he thinks it makes him a good friend. Well that and he likely is part of the plot against the player (not Kris, the player specifically). >There were a bunch of things that I missed on my first playthrough, only to facepalm in realization when others pointed them out.Yeah, but the fact that you did facepalm at all means that even those wrong readings you made were still good for your engagement in the story. What would have been bad is if you had no reaction to finding out you read it wrong. >What reaction should've been provoked from Honvich? I don't know, that's for DRYanon to decide. My point is that he needs to provoke *A* reaction, at all. The specifics can be anything you want them to be.
>>737774957>(or the 5 days left in it) I thought Martlet said something about there only being 3 days left at the end of chapter 2.
>>737774854>>737774957I noticed that most playthroughs of the game don't even think to go back to that shop when Martlet is following you, so a lot of people never even saw the "child of mine" comment.
>>737773430>that's exactly what I was saying iSorry, I misread that as you using it as a justification for why they weren't characterized. >which I'm saying isn't really helpful when dryanon is saying he's not got the writing chops as it is. IHe doesn't have them now, but he can learn, and even if he's never as good as Toby he can still improve. I know I'll never write characters as well as Toby, but he's what I compare myself against because that's what I'm trying to emulate. I explained to DRYanon a problem with his game, what could be done to fix it, exactly why that kind of thing is important, what purpose it serves, and told him some exercises that might help improve in that aspect in addition to the tips I gave. Writing is a skill just like drawing is. The owl was drawn poorly in some areas, so I explained which areas those were, how they might be drawn properly, and showed him some exercises to practice so he could improve in those areas. If we aren't willing to admit our failings and point them out, then we'll never learn from them.
>>737769702dalv...
>>737773425>It should be worth noting that no matter what, you also can't expect everyone to get the meaning you're providing or to understand the complexities of their motivations. Look at all the retards who ship Suselle thinking it's a le wholesome yuri crush when it's obvious Noelle has a projection of who Susie is which doesn't match up to reality, or how the crush isn't reciprocated because there's no actual chemistry.Anon I don't know how to tell you this but Suselle is meant to be wholesome and the "endgame couple" of Deltarune, Toby made it clear in the 10th anniversary that he doesn't see any problems with Alphys X Undyne, he genuinely doesn't know how to write romance
>>737773430> he could probably keep that dynamic up with different characters interjecting themselves in kanako and coles scenes without it growing oldHe could probably make a running gag out of that specific formula. Really intense scene, heartfelt moment from Kanacole, then camera pans over to show what the other character is doing. Could have Axis get impatient and ask "ARE YOU TWO FINISHED YET?". Could have a more moustache twirling villain mock them for the saccharine display. Maybe a female or particularly romantic villain could have heart eyes and comment on how adorable they are together. Maybe if you had an old character or one with a lost love, you could have him try not to interrupt with "don't mind me" and then a quiet comment like "ah, to be young again". Maybe if Gizmo is there, and he's taken on this macho pulp hero persona in the dark world, then he just hits cole with a "nice" or "my man".
>>737774957>I'm curious how we're going to fit a whole week (or the 5 days left in it) in three chapters.Could just be a school week
>>737775862>If we aren't willing to admit our failings and point them out, then we'll never learn from them.>He doesn't have them now, but he can learn, and even if he's never as good as Toby he can still improve. I know I'll never write characters as well as Toby, but he's what I compare myself against because that's what I'm trying to emulate. but in the same breath, if we hold ourselves to extremely high standards before we've learned to jog, let alone run, actually processing and adapting to that kind of approach is going to be like that "how to draw an owl" image I posted. "honvich isn't well done, an example of how it should have been done is (one of the best handled characters in deltarune" is hitting him with "draw the rest of the fucking owl", and makes me think a lot of the characterization is being judged in how it compares to deltarune which is why I talked about it being a bar set.It's explaining lesson 36 to someone who's working his way through lesson 8. Potentially useful information, but lacking valuable perspective. It's also why I thought that example you provided of how to apply the scenes with honvich interrupting Kanako and Cole were so good. Aside from just being a solid idea for a scene, it's advice being provided outside of the context of deltarune.I do understand that of course, comparisons to deltarune are going to be made in a deltarune fangame, but for the sake of improvement, changes in perspective make a world of difference in how digestible the information is.Dryanon has made it clear he's open to the criticism, so I'm not trying to be some idiot going "don't talk shit about game I like u fuck", I just think a lot of the criticism is beating dry over the head with the "this is how DR did it" hammer.
>>737776435>then he just hits cole with a "nice" or "my man".
>>737775919We don't strictly know what will happen which is why it's a fear. Intentionally or not, Noelle is set up for a letdown with all the signs pointing to it, and it's something an intelligent writer would pursue. If you think them lezzing out is a foregone conclusion, then Toby is more likely to think "everyone clearly expects this" whereas if the educated sentiment is the opposite he may be influenced against going down that path.>>737775274I haven't finished Chapter 2 yet
>>737776965>If you think them lezzing out is a foregone conclusion, then Toby is more likely to think "everyone clearly expects this"nta, but I just think that toby is a great character writer, except when he has two characters he wants to make lesbians on the screen. His skull suddenly forms a giant yuri dent and both characters suffer for it. I'd like to be proven wrong, and this isn't even a universal anti yuri statment, I just think that Toby has yuri poisoning.
>>737776965>spoilerswell then I'm sorry if I spoiled something for you
>>737776965>We don't strictly know what will happen which is why it's a fear. Intentionally or not, Noelle is set up for a letdown with all the signs pointing to it, and it's something an intelligent writer would pursue. If you think them lezzing out is a foregone conclusion, then Toby is more likely to think "everyone clearly expects this" whereas if the educated sentiment is the opposite he may be influenced against going down that path.You are setting yourself for a huge disappointment, the fact that Toby thinks Alpyne was a good thing is all the proof you need to know that Toby's brain turns off when there is yuri involved
>>737749581>I fucking hate you.Rude.
Just found a wonderful idea for a new Kanako weapon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-I3Lei6ymw
>>737749495Okay, so, for reference, Undyne can bench cars in DR, but her physique is similar to that of a twig, so no, Martlet being a carpenter doesn't mean she'd be jacked like that.
>>737777280To be fair, alphys was supposed to be male
>>737776660A lot of writing, like any skill is just practice. The rest is learning to critically analyze existing stories (real or fictional) that moved you to see why and how they did. I speak from experience in saying that the advice I gave DRYanon is sound and applicable to where he's at. I was once a beginner just like he was, and I know how I got from there to here. Actually even drawing is like that. So a lot of advice for drawing the own can be summarized as "practice" and "study real owls", with only the fundamentals being stuff that needs to be explained to you.
>>737777716>to be fair, alphys was supposed to be maleIf Alphys was male that ship would have been way more criticized, Toby knew that you can make a lesbian romance as shitty as you want and people will come to defend it.
To the anon who has tasked himself with maintaining the shadow librarby, I have some new entries for you.None so bad as what was posted last night however, sorry to disappoint.This link contains a small series of greens about Ceroba pushing Clover into the coolant of the Steamworks: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/665325493/#665338615This link has some kind of post flawed-pacifist Clover revival story (I'm actually not sure if this fits the bill for the shadow librarby, but it seems to have some heavier things going on, so who knows): https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/674928637/#674997536And these two are more weird Kanako stuff, with one of them being the only Kanako/Anon green I can recall having encountered: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/665325493/#q665337042https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/665540054/#q665546015You might have your work cut out for you with these.
>>737777393kanako's weapon in deltatraveler yellow
I was thinking about the whole "running my fingers through Martlet's feathers" thing, and feathers are kept together by tiny barbs that keep the surface smooth and aerodynamic. I imagined her getting instinctually frustrated as I do this, getting the feathers all out of alignment, eventually using her beak to shove my hand away, getting a little embarrassed but still sticking to getting her feathers back in proper alignment. Then helping her but she's taking suspicious glances at you waiting for you to start messing the feathers up again.And then in that green where Zartlet knocks (you) out, I imagined when running your fingers through her feathers, she feels bad about what happened and doesn't stop you, letting you enjoy the feeling for a while.>>737777896>Ceroba pushing Clover into the coolant of the SteamworksJust reading that makes me want to throw up. I close my eyes, but I can hear it. I'll add those after work, but I'm probably going to give myself a breather from shadow librarby stuff for a couple weeks. You're welcome to still send me some, but I'll probably just earmark the posts and come back to them when I'm a bit stronger.
>>737778231>come back to them when I'm a bit stronger.I now remember Zelda CDI.
>>737776774I've got this image in my head of Gizmo being drawn as this overly buff chizled jaw macho space man like the guys from the covers of old science fiction magazines, with a really sexy version of Sadie clinging to his leg. So I feel that image is fitting, at least of how he views his dark world persona. As a side note, DRYanon. On the topic of research. I highly suggest you go watch the 1930s Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon serials and the 1980 movie, since you're giving Gizmo the vintage spaceman aesthetic. I think it would really help with writing the kind of character he'd be trying to play in the dark worlds. Also maybe if you want an idea of how to play that for laughs, try watching the old Duck Dodgers shorts Looney Tunes did as a parody of those.
>>737778502honestly the "newer" duck dodgers may be a good watch for it as well. >flash gordonbasedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfmrHTdXgK4&list=RDLfmrHTdXgK4&start_radio=1that early "raypunk" scifi or whatever the fuck it's called is kino.
>>737778231Nice ideas about Martlet there.Reminds me of a story I read about an SCP task force agent reciting the escape procedure for 106 in his head while trapped in his pocket dimension.He didn't end up making it out.But hey, optimism!>Just reading that makes me want to throw up.I've gathered we generally have very different reactions to these sorts of things, but honestly, in spite of how the anon who wrote the green probably wanted that to come across, I'm just thinking of those big pools of blue coolant leaking out of the Truth and Reconciliation.Apparently those aren't actually toxic though, since the unarmored Covenant troops can be submerged in it without dying just fine, so who knows.Anyway, the green isn't actually all that bad, it's pretty lax in terms of brutality.
That human-monster war movie, interesting part of history to say the least. The groping scene was kind of weird and drawn out, did humans really do all that to the monster prisoners??
>>737777974Maybe you have the option to *borrow* a cool bat from Mooch, and Kanako is too shocked to object when you hand her a bat shaped bong and tell her to beat people up with it.
>>737779062You never heard of the bird monster that was raped by a drunk human? some say that it's the reason the human-monster war started in the first place
>>737777726I'm gonna add on to this. DRYanon, you should really consider replying Undertale and Deltarune with a critical eye, taking notes of all the things you liked and trying to figure out why you like them. You should try doing that for other media you like too. Its a great way to figure out what actually makes writing good and works better than any explanation on Internet forums can. Oh and of course practice writing. Even if its worthless garbage you're writing, it still builds skill.
>>737778842>Anyway, the green isn't actually all that bad, it's pretty lax in terms of brutality.I'll take a look, but the title reminds me of an old edgy UT fic where frisk fell in lava, and it describes him screaming in horrible pain before loading, and I don't self insert into clover like I did to frisk back then, so I instead feel what that man who jumped into the yellowstone geyser to try and save his dog must have felt.>I've gathered we generally have very different reactions to these sorts of thingsSuffering and misery can have a great place in writing, and I think I have a higher tolerance than most for 'most' content, but many of these greens are extremely "caustic" and so my armor plating has worn down as I repeatedly dip myself in the river of pain. Certainly my processor has fried out and I need new retinal cores to boot.
>>737778231>You're welcome to still send me some, but I'll probably just earmark the posts and come back to them when I'm a bit stronger.Honestly, unless I happen to remember or stumble across anything else, I think I'm out.I only consciously keep track of so many of these, and I certainly don't feel inclined to go digging for ones I've never seen before *just* to send your way.And, as funny as it is to watch the list get longer every time I send you a new little artifact of horror, I know I can really only send you so many of these before it becomes less fun for both of us.
>>737779425>I'll take a look, but the title reminds me of an old edgy UT fic where frisk fell in lavaWell, the green says it wasn't a very fun experience for Clover, to be sure, but it didn't seem to last too long.That coolant though, what kind of coolant works like that? Most of the Steamworks doesn't even seem to be active, why is the coolant boiling?>Suffering and misery can have a great place in writingIndeed, but I was moreso referring to your reaction to that green in particular.I know we have very, *very* different views on Clover specifically, as evidenced by you wanting to throw up in response to hearing its premise, whereas I just started thinking about Halo: CE instead.>Certainly my processor has fried out and I need new retinal cores to boot.Perfectly understandable.I guess if nothing else that one green I put in there about Clover being revived post flawed-pacifist just ended up being more mildly questionable than anything seriously bad, though it did have me going for a sec.Still don't like that whole "agency denial" stuff though, but I can tell that it's mostly innocuous with that one.Unless I missed something, but the reactions in that thread seemed fine.
>>737779361As a wannabe writer I'll add to this and say that it's a good idea to research media relevant to what you're doing. Wanna write a western? Watch some classic westerns. Wanna write a mystery? Research some mystery stories. I want to eventually write a narrative version of DR's weird route so I'm reading Faust and other relevant media touching on malevolent forces. This will help you get a good feel for how to do things as well some good reference material that'll have fans clicking their fingers.
>>737778650The Flash Gordon theme seems to have already been decided based on Gizmo's design. At least it was last I saw of him. Anyways I think making him be as much into classic sci fi as Cole is into classic westerns. Would be a good bit of characterization and would fit with them being able to equip the same weapons. It would also dovetail nicely into his obsession with gaming. You just make him be obsessed with the old school arcade and Atari era of video games. Those were all about high scores and almost always had a space theme. Seriously just look at the Atari library and count how many games have star or space in the title. The Atari thing also distinguishes Gizmo from Berdly, who is more of a modern style home console gamer. He's into games with stats, secrets, and endings. The kind of stuff that started on the NES and killed off the older Atari style play forever style games with no story. As a side note, I think it might be fun to base his engagement with games on the guy who ran Classic Game Room. He has a similarly eager and cheerful attitude towards games, and really loves classic sci fi and Atari. Just seems like the kind of person Gizmo would grow into as an adult. >RaypunkI wouldn't call it punk. Its spiritually the opposite of punk, being incredibly straight lace, conventional, and orthodox.
>>737779062Is this a reference to something.
>>737778231>Just reading that makes me want to throw up. Nta, but its nice in a way finally being able to understand how you guys feel about this stuff. Even if the feelings themselves can really suck.
>>737780318Racter has become the thread's resident rape victim, I'm afraid.
>>737780249>I wouldn't call it punk. Its spiritually the opposite of punk, being incredibly straight lace, conventional, and orthodox.you're right, but I can't think of what to call it other than that because a lot of people just jump to calling visual aesthetics "xpunk" even though it's not punk at all.>Anyways I think making him be as much into classic sci fi as Cole is into classic westerns. Would be a good bit of characterization and would fit with them being able to equip the same weapons.them able to use the same weapons is cool, but didn't cole just get a raygun of some sort in chapter 2? It would be cool if despite being an outdated weapon, Gizmo got a bonus to some stats when using that weapon.>Those were all about high scores and almost always had a space theme. Seriously just look at the Atari library and count how many games have star or space in the title. The Atari thing also distinguishes Gizmo from Berdly, who is more of a modern style home console gamer. He's into games with stats, secrets, and endings. The kind of stuff that started on the NES and killed off the older Atari style play forever style games with no story. I can see it. It wasn't the entire library, but it sure was a ton of it. Space stuff in general was in style at the time, coming off the tail end of the moon landing.Gizmo lamenting the death of secrets in games, and maybe even games having secret codes (though he likes being able to get his high score without said codes) feels right
>>737780454That role used to be filled by Riley, but you know what they say, "rape does not accept vacuums"
>>737780201Its also good to analyze unrelated stuff too, good ideas can come from Al sorts of places. Reading is also really good to pick up if you're a writer.
>>737780504>even though it's not punk at all.I call it pulp sci fi because that's what it is. Comes from pulp fiction magazines. Cheap dime fiction anthologies you could buy back in the day. I've also heard it called raygun sci fi. >them able to use the same weapons is cool, but didn't cole just get a raygun of some sort in chapter 2? ItThat's why they use the same weapons. Gizmo can equip the Raygun. He probably had some kind of blaster (ir blaster like on a gba maybe) by default or a laser (laser pointer because he's a cat) but can equip the raygun. By extension he could probably equip Cole's other weapons, but they'd be weaker in his hands (fits with the theme, since Flash Gordon starts off with a normal revolver, but gets a space gun later). Meanwhile the raygun gets a massive stat boost when equipped to him. Maybe it decreased the TP cost of his moves greatly, as a reference to the raygun in Terraria which becomes free to use if you equip the space armor. >Gizmo lamenting the death of secrets in games, and maybe even games having secret codes (though he likes being able to get his high score without said codes) feels rightSounds more like a Berdly thing. Gizmo would lament games abandoning simple strong gameplay loops that reward skill for set length scripted campaigns that reward memorization. He'd probably treat "movie games" as the ultimate end state of what Mario started, even if he actually does still like Super Mario. He's not a cynic after all, he just prefers arcades.
>>737780454You just wait, one day he'll turn the tables. Then we'll see who's laughing.
>>737781423>Then we'll see who's laughing.Poor choice of words with me in particular.
>>737780424yeah it's something else. I don't want people to avoid writing what's in their head on account of me, but I reserve the right to writhe in pain you know? Normally I just soldier through, especially when there's a point to it all, when the angst or edginess is going somewhere, but other times you just get hit with this feeling of "terminal finality"Other times I just ride out the sensation, accepting how bad things like "Ceroba slapping mooch" makes me feel, but that feeling can just manage to rot in my gut sometimes.>>737779894>"agency denial"At the very least you can understand, by having weakpoints of your own, how these weakpoints can exist. I do get the whole halo thing you're talking about. not in THIS EXACT INSTANCE, but the ability of the brain to just, take a detour around all the hazardous terrain and just "lmao ok but what about all this, and isn't the scenario silly anyways?". In this case I just can't help but picture the scream how it truly would be, people don't just "yell kind of" in that type of pain when the pain and terror scale has maxed out and their brain is figuratively and of course literally frying. I can't take that detour, and I can't "see the words without seeing them" because they grab me like a hook through my eye.>>737779563well, I appreciate your... service on this matter. I had to find these little nightmares eventually, and the longer this goes on, the less frequent those kinds of updates will have to be, since most greens these days are of a different nature.
>>737781362>pulpthat's perfect actually, I forgot about the term.>Maybe it decreased the TP cost of his moves greatly, as a reference to the raygun in Terraria which becomes free to use if you equip the space armor. I like that a lot.>Sounds more like a Berdly thing. Gizmo would lament games abandoning simple strong gameplay loops that reward skill for set length scripted campaigns that reward memorization. He'd probably treat "movie games" as the ultimate end state of what Mario started, even if he actually does still like Super Mario. He's not a cynic after all, he just prefers arcades.when you put it that way, I can see where you're coming from.I still think that secret codes would be "cool" to him even if he didn't like using them. Things like the konami code since contra was very much so an arcade style game.
>>737781498>I do get the whole halo thing you're talking about.Oh, I do also register how horrifying the concept of Clover boiling alive should be, but after the concepts I've been exposed to, stuff like that is relatively tame by comparison, so I can stomach it pretty easily.>well, I appreciate your... service on this matter.I always enjoy it when someone here thanks me for something while simultaneously sounding like their soul just went out like a light.Anyway, you're welcome.>less frequent those kinds of updates will have to be, since most greens these days are of a different nature....Unless, of course, someone were to start making *new* greens of such nature.
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Now I'm imagining Gizmo and Sadie playing Flash Gorgon on the playground. Gizmo is the brave astronaut Blaster Byte, who was caught in a cosmic storm and flung across the galaxy. Sadie is the evil queen of the hive planet Sectia, he has to stop her hive from consuming the Earth as biomass for the ever growing swarm of Insectids. Later on she's defeated and he finds out she was being mind controlled using a pheromone crown created by the evil galactic emperor Ting the Audacious. Then they fight Ting, who travels back in time to take over the galaxy before it has a chance to defend itself, starting with Earth. There he recruits the greatest villains of all human history, including a wild west outlaw and an evil demon samurai. This draws in magical Princess Kanako and vigilante hero Gunhat in the battle against Ting. But then it got dark and everybody had to go home for dinner. So Gizmo just pretended it ended on a cliffhanger that they could resolve tomorrow.
>>737781423>You just wait, one day he'll turn the tables. Then we'll see who's laughing.Me, after Racter gets instant loss 2koma'd
>>737781498>but that feeling can just manage to rot in my gut sometimes.Its so strange that such ultimately silly things can stay with us like that.
>>737781978>but after the concepts I've been exposed to, stuff like that is relatively tame by comparison, so I can stomach it pretty easily.Being boiled alive is considered one of the most painful ways to die. there are more creative and more drawn out ways to perform it of course, especially when you have human hands drawing out the process, but for single events, it's north of the number 9 on a scale from 1-10. this is not considering that in those more drawn out scenarios, boiling can still be used over the course of such suffering. Drowning is also considered one of the more extreme ones on the suffering scale.It's interesting to think, that over our history, we've gotten extremely creative at hurting eachother, but few things are quite as effective as simply lighting every nerve ending on fire at once.
Yeah I love Marx
>>737782276Yes, I'm well aware how horrific being burned alive is, I just happen to be aware of concepts that would make such a death seem like a kindness by comparison.Thus, I do not see such miserable deaths as being so gut-wrenching as you do.
>>737781498> I can't take that detour, and I can't "see the words without seeing them" because they grab me like a hook through my eye.I find it helps to make a joke about it that trivializes the whole thing. Like how I finally got over that BunBun thing was by turning it into a Futurama gag that makes the whole thing funny and fixes the underlying problem. I also came up with a bunch of better ideas for how she could live beyond what really happened in the game and wrote those. Nta btw
>>737782427>Futurama gagNTA, but what gag was that?
>>737781624>contra was very much so an arcade style game.Not the same type though. Its much more a Nintendo style game. It has set levels, bosses, and an ending. You can beat Contra. What I'm saying he would be really into is Defender, Robotron, Joust, Galaga, Asteroids, Space Invaders.
>>737782250it's amazing how good the human mind is at "playing pretend". Allowing us to latch onto ideas that are decisively not "here and now", and even inflict suffering upon ourselves with it. I'm sure that this is to our advantage as a species in problem solving, but goodness gracious the power of our autism is not to be taken lightly.>>737782132That's cute honestly. I get the impression with how Sadie reacts to coles finger guns, that she didn't mind playing along with the silliness growing up, but that her imagination may have worked differently than the others or something?>>737782420I want Clover, and the roba and the bird, and the other foxes and the cowboy and the vampire etc etc etc to be happy. It makes it no easier to consider that their suffering could be greater than it is currently. Cast me unto the fire, I will consume it for their sakes.autism
>>737782587Ok so it's not just enough that it's got a scoring system because the stories and endpoints of games kind of took them away from the purity of video games that went on and on chasing higher and higher scores.What about games like gradius where when you reach the end, you just loop the game as it gets harder and harder?
Gizmo's jizzmo...
>>737782514The episode where Hermes becomes a cyborg. Specifically the scene where he makes Zoidberg replace his brain.
>>737782742He still likes those, just like he likes Mario or Contra, but he prefers stuff like Defender.
>>737782427>I find it helps to make a joke about it that trivializes the whole thing. Like how I finally got over that BunBun thing was by turning it into a Futurama gag that makes the whole thing funny and fixes the underlying problem.that makes sense, and I think is the same kind of feeling I get from trying to write different endings or stories for the characters. Clovers agony in some timeline is converted into a tender moment post surface between him and Ceroba, maybe preceded by some angst, but ultimately the goal is hope. A new way forward.Sometimes the misery must be embraced, but I will see us through to the end.
>>737782680>I want Clover, and the roba and the bird, and the other foxes and the cowboy and the vampire etc etc etc to be happy.I want them to be happy too, and I certainly don't like seeing them suffer so gruesomely, but in comparison to some other horrific concepts I have rattling around my skull, being boiled alive in a sea of reactor coolant is nothing.>Cast me unto the fire, I will consume it for their sakes.>autismOh, so when you wanna die for their sakes it's all fine and dandy, but when *I* want to die a heroic death for Ceroba, suddenly I'm the ketchup man or whatever.I'm the most oppressed person in the whole entire world.
>>737782824Wait, seriously?That got you over it, but that joke I made about Bun Bun having a "Jack is back" moment only made you more upset?Strange.
>>737782680>but that her imagination may have worked differently than the others or something?Hence why her character is basically just an exaggerated version of her irl self. I get the feeling being raised in house full of drones that's run like a factory by parents that were forced by nature to not get too attached to their kids would lead to some emotional stunting. I imagine she has real trouble understanding other people's emotions or viewing things through the kind of romantic lense needed for pretend. >but goodness gracious the power of our autism is not to be taken lightly.Absolutely, its genuinely impacted my physical health before. Also I really like that picture.
>>737783107Autism, anon. You lurk here, you should know by now.
>>737782775Sadie...
>>737781624>>737782132I can see him being a fan of Crimson Skies as well. Its not classic pulp sci-fi, but it is pulp to the bone.
>>737783359So in the end, is Gizmo for Sadie or for Melody?
>>737783345>Autism, anon...>It hardens in response to mental trauma!
>>737783412how would u react is gizadielody is canon
>>737783107I think its because of the specifics. That episode is a parody of body horror, but its also a parody of the ship of Theseus, because the writers all have doctorates. So while it asks at what point does Hermes stop being Hermes, and answers it with "at his brain" when Hermes's cyborg body becomes Roberto upon the installation of the new brain. It takes the follow up question of "what if you built a second ship out of the old parts" and has Zoidberg do a musical number to it. Ending with the answer that the old body, once it has the brain is Hermes. It ends bt setting things right. As opposed to the Jack thing, which doubles down on them being wrong. Plus that scene was funny and I really like Futurama.
>>737783021>I'm the most oppressed person in the whole entire world.this makes me laugh so much every time it comes uphowever>Oh, so when you wanna die for their sakes it's all fine and dandy, but when *I* want to die a heroic death for Ceroba, suddenly I'm the ketchup man or whatever.The ultimate fantasy is living alongside my beloved beings, possibly being stopped from whatever terrible sacrifice as we work to find a new hope together. Martlet holding me as she reminds me that she's thankful I'm still here too. That the world is better off with each of us alive. She'll drag me away from eating her deadly cooking just as Ceroba Drags you away from the ketchup harakiri aisle
>>737783553Well, cats aren't known for being monogamous.
>>737783412Tomcats usually sleep around.
>>737783683>>737783730Gizmo is a manwhore confirmed
>>737783285That's kind of an interesting though, though I wonder how it contrasts with Sadies clearly sweet side. She seems to be a nice girl.>Absolutely, its genuinely impacted my physical health before. we're all gonna make it one way or another. Creating all of our autistic ideas makes us slightly stronger as people, one agonizing step at a time.>>737783454God damnit anon I'm fucking dying here now.
>>737783375He'd probably love the movie Sky Captain And The World of Tomorrow as well.
>>737783454>autism gets stronger through mental trauma>mental trauma gets stronger with autismFeedback loop
>>737782343Marx is neat.
>>737783926I don't think reading something fictional ever made me feel anything close to mental breakdown, am I too autistic, or not autistic enough?
>>737783638>As opposed to the Jack thing, which doubles down on them being wrong. Well, I think there's some nuance to Raiden's actions in MGR, but that's not what this is about.>Plus that scene was funny and I really like Futurama.Yeah, that was a pretty good episode.Man, I remember when that came out actually, way long ago.
>>737784209I'd assume most people don't quite have a mental breakdown, and instead simply experience sharp sensations of grief or pain by over immersing themselves in the story. It's like people that can cry from watching movies. Some of us take it maybe a bit further than that, but I'd say the autism usually rests in the "Oh dear god I want to save them" empathetic response.
>>737783806Sadie is well intentioned. She just doesn't always know what people want or of her help is actually helpful. I think a lot of her emotional side was learned later in life. She was probably taught the concept of pretend, of how and why to play by Gizmo. Kanako taught her about girly things and how nice it feels to feel pretty and loved. Cole taught her the importance of honor and principle. Before she met them, she was probably a very dull girl with no hobbies beyond her alotted role in the hive, with a borderline psychopathic ignorance of other's feelings. These days she's a lot better. Mainly just comes across as a normal girl who's a bit tactless and can come off as inconsiderate, when really she is considerate, just ignorant. Her parents probably sent her to school specifically so she could learn how to understand d deal with people, since she'd one day be a queen with her own hive to manage. As a side note, Sadie probably loves grand strategy and management games. Basically anything that involves micromanaging and numbers going up.
>>737783664Sigh.But man, heroic sacrifices are so cool though.Whether it's for a loved one, or for the fate of the entire world, being slowly torn apart as you commit yourself to fighting for something other than yourself, bigger than yourself, is just so damned cool.I would so gladly die so that Ceroba, or Reynault, or Luzma, or any other scrimblo could survive.Especially if it involves some arduous fight or something that I manage to just barely see the end of, long enough to know that my scrimblo got away safely.
>>737784429I don't think hive thing is a thing in DRY
>>737784560What if it turns out your sacrifice was useless, as in, it wouldn't have changed the result whether you threw away your life to protect them our you stayed by their side?
>>737784403I find myself breaking down almost to tears more often as I get older. Completely embarrassing when I did cry over the last song in that kpop movie with family.
>>737784653I think that depends on context, I wouldn't throw my life away for something obviously pointless.
>>737784251>Well, I think there's some nuance to Raiden's actions in MGR, but that's not what this is about.Wrong for BunBun, not necessarily for Jack. I think the idea of her coming to enjoy violence fundamentally goes against her character. I could see her becoming a cool action heroine, but it would be done in a very different way. She could come to see it as a way for her to still fulfill her purpose of helping people who can't help themselves, even if that means doing it in an unpleasant way. She believes in the result and the cause of kindness enough to despite her new role, as opposed to becoming nothing more than the role that was forced on her. The real her dying both in body and in spirit.
>>737784579it isn't. we did get a reference to it with the basement section in the light world
>>737784728...Is getting a discount on ketchup pointless or not?
>>737784429>Sadie is well intentioned. She just doesn't always know what people want or of her help is actually helpful. I think a lot of her emotional side was learned later in life. She was probably taught the concept of pretend, of how and why to play by Gizmo. Kanako taught her about girly things and how nice it feels to feel pretty and loved. Cole taught her the importance of honor and principle. Before she met them, she was probably a very dull girl with no hobbies beyond her alotted role in the hive, with a borderline psychopathic ignorance of other's feelings.I like this angle a lot. I can imagine a younger Sadie not quite getting it when one of her friends cries or is sad, maybe asking her parents what she's supposed to do when someone is crying, but only later learning from a friend the "why" of things. Maybe comforting a friend one time but in a very mechanical way, and over the years the act becomes more real as she gets a better grasp on "being a person".>>737784560Heroic sacrifices are cool, but barely surviving, and being gripped tightly by a tear stricken person as they're so very thankful that you made it. one must practice reminding themselves that they are worthy of love, and of life. >>737784689in my 20's I had started becoming pretty jaded, I'm very glad that I've softened up a lot even if I'm a bit sappy at times because of it. I can still bite down when needed and deal with the nonsense, but being able to be moved to tears over a simple, sweet scene makes me very happy.
>>737783760Sadie and Melody are both cool with it. Melody knows Sadie is the breadwinner who owns the termite mansion they live in and pays all the bills, while Saie knows that Melody makes a negligible impact on the hive and will never outbreed her.
>>737774854>shop offers literally no value in neutral because Clover's stats and inventory get reset in the Flowey fight>useful for one fight with a heal ACT in Pacifist>shopkeeper doesn't appear at all in genocideIf the artbook didn't contradict this I would say this was further proof of a Hotland and True Lab section getting cut from the game. Burgerpants is a shopkeep in the same part of the game but has the CORE to get through after meeting him, as well as a history with both Mettaton and Catty and Bratty, so you remember him.
>>737784579A hive doesn't have to be a giant dirt mound. Its just the bug equivalent of a family or household. One day she'll have her own home and drones to manage, so her parents want to make sure she's ready for that.
>>737784773>She believes in the result and the cause of kindness enough to despite her new role, as opposed to becoming nothing more than the role that was forced on her. The real her dying both in body and in spirit.I mean, that's pretty similar to what Raiden did, he doesn't just blindly enjoy killing, he kills for a purpose, to protect the weak and stop other people from becoming like him and having their lives stolen from them.If Bun Bun's purpose is to comfort/protect the weak and vulnerable, killing people who would prey on them is technically a way of doing that, embracing what the bat had turned her into and made her do by harnessing it as a force for good.Also it'd just be really funny.
>>737784794I don't even remember where that came from honestly.But no, I wouldn't die for ketchup.
>>737784868As long as it's not "friends" I believe you can show the soft side. I mean my wife's already invested and knows me and if a tear turns her then I'm throwing her out.
>>737785006What's BunBun ripper mode called? Batter mode?
>>737784868> I can imagine a younger Sadie not quite getting it when one of her friends cries or is sad, She understands crying, its a distress signal. She's had to deal with those plenty of times. She just doesn't understand why Kanako is distressed. She doesn't appear injured, there are no threats around. And it doesn't help that Kanako can't speak clearly while giving the signal.
>>737785090>WifeThere are married anons in this thread!?
I think Sadie would really love sugary drinks because she's a bug. The whole house is probably lousy with candy, soda, and sweets of all kinds.
>>737784868>Heroic sacrifices are cool, but barely surviving, and being gripped tightly by a tear stricken person as they're so very thankful that you made it.Hm.Honestly, not sure how I'd handle that.I think if I went through hell for the sake of Ceroba or Reynault or something, and I was bleeding out, about to die at peace with the knowledge that I saved the life of the scrimblo I love, only for them to just heal me back to full health in an instant?I dunno, I think I might just be a bit embarrassed about the whole thing.Like, man, it would've been so cool if I actually died there, now it's just anticlimactic.Wasn't even planning on being alive the rest of the day, what do I do now?
>>737785054nta but it was me coming up with a silly slapstick scenario just for the silliness of the conversation. Exaggerating the whole "dying for my scrimblo" thing into a comedic alternative about Ceroba dragging anon away from various events that he tells Ceroba he's willing to die for her on.>>737785169and nta but believe it or not, there are people on this site that managed to reproduce even.
>>737784689Same here. I used to be way tougher, both about scares and tears.
>>737785169Im a 34 year old kid so of course I have a wife. Kids too.
>>737783412Dina breastfeeding Melody....
>>737785251>Exaggerating the whole "dying for my scrimblo" thing into a comedic alternative about Ceroba dragging anon away from various events that he tells Ceroba he's willing to die for her on.You.You son of a bitch.Because of you I'm not allowed to dream about dying a glorious death for my 'roba without being made a fool.
>>737785274>Kids too.WHAT!?Okay so at least one anon in these threads is a father, I wonder how long until the first w*man discovers these threads
>>737785006The difference is that Raiden specifically enjoys hurting people in addition to all that. I'm saying that goes against BunBun's character fundamentally. And that's why I don't find the idea funny or appealing
>>737785090It's good that you found someone you can show that side with. There's a bad habit at least in the west of "guys don't show enough emotion" and then "wow thats gross he's expressing himself".Not that some people don't overdo it in the presence of others, lots of give and take out there in life.
>>737784896>If the artbook didn't contradict this I would say this was further proof of a Hotland and True Lab section getting cut from the gameI still think that happened, the devs are lying to save face
>>737784787What, we already saw the inside of Sadie's house in DRY?
>>737785361Okay, well, maybe you could draw a line somewhere, but I think the base concept is still fun.Also I think that drawing I made was funny anyway.
>>737785226Sadie feeding pineapple to gizmo...
>>737785342I'm still here at midnight. I just got myself together for a while and this girl bought my shit. I'm definitely better off than if I didn't find her.
>>737785403You should finish day 2 anon
>>737785443Sadie loves orange soda, but she keeps a big three liter of cream soda just for Gizmo because she knows he hates citrus.
>>737785246nah man you're making it anticlimactic in your head. Instead I imagine that her healing magic BARELY stabilizes you, but it's touch and go, she's at your bed side for weeks as the doctors patch up the serious damage you've taken. They don't know it but every night she's pouring every bit of magic she can get away with into keeping you going while the doctors aren't sure if you will make it day by day. She wouldn't be here alive today if you didn't do what you did, but she wants nothing more than for you to open your eyes. And then the day you do, she wraps her arms around you, the doctors scold her because of your stitches, but she's just so happy.>>737785335We all sport the Fool card anon, we're all setting out on journeys with uncertain ends. Besides, a little slapstick is a bit funny here and there. The idea of Martlet Dragging me away from her terrible deadly cooking still makes me laugh.Until today I think I was the only one to hit you with the ketchup thing.
>>737785335What if instead of you making an heroic sacrifce, it was one of your scrimblos? like Roba paralyzing you with her barrier and sending you on a horse or something so she can be the one that does the heroic sacrifice, or Luzma throwing you away and going full Majin Vegeta with a final explosion in order to atone for her sins (whatever they might be), or Reynault playing you a final prank by using himself as a lure so a complex contraption can take you out of the scene while he stays behind.
>>737785246Ask 100 men if they would die for their loved ones and many will say yes. Make a man live for their loved ones and their true character will show. Ceroba would be right in this instance dont die for the sake of an aura farm.
>>737785483The more I hear the less I want to. I'm much more interested in the idealized DRY in my head that will never exist. I'll get to it at some point though.
>>737785390Thanks, and I extend a big wish to everyone here that you get yourself together and find someone to be with.
>>737785594how long until you get disappointed with Naranja or SURVEY_2 and begin making an idealized version of them in your head?
>>737785421I think the concept of BunBun accepting the bat as part of her life now and learning to live with it could be cool. Its just the ripper mode thing I don't like. Maybe (big maybe) if it were framed as her letting Batty loose, and not enjoying it, but doing it out of necessity I could like it.
>>737785594We didn't even discuss DRY that much
>>737785481Good on ya anon, my brother has been on this site longer than I have and the crazy son of a gun has 5 kids. Life doesn't always work out, but sometimes you find your happiness here and there.
>>737784045He's the coolest
>>737737065yeah wont be done before the thread archives, the post will be in the other thread.i have quite a bit to say.
>>737785673I don't have specific expectations of them like I did for DRY. I guess SURVEY2 I have some, but I'm on the writing team for that one so its a different kind of investment. Naranja I'm just expecting the vague concept of wacky hijinks.
>>737785654Maybe one day. Still piecing myself back together. There's a whole life to live out there, but in the meantime I'm enjoying these threads and fanworks while I try to learn to live again. I'm glad we haven't seen "you don't belong here" type posts in response to you.
>>737785547>And then the day you do, she wraps her arms around you, the doctors scold her because of your stitches, but she's just so happy....Sigh.That does sound nice, being cared for like that.And I cannot deny that being held in her arms would be worth living for.But has the glorious death not been the dream of mankind across the world for millennia?How can I possibly resist such a thing, woven into my very soul?To die in the dark, so they can live in the light?
>>737785685Not in this thread no, but I mean in general. I've been taking a multiple week break from playing because I just haven't felt like picking it up again.
>>737785750>but I'm on the writing team for that one so its a different kind of investment.you are?
>>737785557Oh, you little sneak.I'd never let that happen, I'm human, I'm stronger, it could only ever be my life for theirs.I don't care what it would take, I would break reality's bones to make things right.
>>737785809Yeah, SURVEYanon asked me to help him with writing. And he helps me with programming.
>>737785873>, I would break reality's bones to make things right.Oh, but when I want to rewrite reality to make BunBun better I'm the villain?Nta btw, also just joking around
>>737785592I could live for any of them, I don't have a problem with that in general, I just think heroic sacrifices, when applicable, are really cool.And hey, dying in the UT universe isn't the career-ender it is in our universe, so who knows.
>>737785795Sometimes to live is harder than to die. To watch your children grow, and in turn live their lives, encouraging them to live and embrace life as well. To grow old with the one you love.A man I once knew told me his thoughts on the topic of marriage. It's not easy every single morning. You don't wake up every day feeling the same love as the day you met them, sometimes you fight, sometimes you irritate eachother. It becomes a conscious choice to love your wife rather than something that just comes naturally. It may sound like heresy to people so madly in love with the idea of their scrimblo right now, but in 10, 20, 30 years from now, the love means something different. It's not that the love is lesser, but by making the choice to love them, the love grows into something unique, stronger.
>>737785873>I would break reality's bones to make things right.>anon the moment one his scrimblos tries to do the heroic sacrifice for him
>>737785594>>737785750Nothing is stopping you from making your own DRY3, anon.
>>737785979>Oh, but when I want to rewrite reality to make BunBun better I'm the villain?You started going scorched-earth at some point we are not the same.
The edge emanating from this gif is so strong I have even cut myself irl
>>737786071Oldentale is stopping me. I care about DRY, but Oldentale is my current reason for living.
>>737786072You said you'd break reality's bones. Sounds pretty scorched Earth to me.
>>737786013I know.I myself have complicated thoughts on love and all that, but I am familiar with the concepts of which you speak.By truth, I've never seemed to feel such things as other people do, so I don't imagine I'll ever find such things in this world.Too much of a fundamental incompatibility, so to speak.Were I somehow with one of my scrimblos, I would love them, as much as I am capable, but there would always be a lingering thought that I could do something *more* with that, whenever possible.
>>737786183That which is broken can be mended.That which is annihilated cannot be.
>>737786071>>737786145That said, currently the only reason I'm not working on Oldentale right now is DRY fanfiction. So maybe I will end up with some DRY rewrite being a recurring side project that keeps stealing time from it. I could call it something like DRY:The Anime:The Fanfic
>>737786274It can be with IMAGINation.
>>737786302DRY: The Adventures of BunBun and friends
>>737786145NTA, but shouldn't you have other things keeping you in the land of the living?Don't get me wrong, I can respect the passion and the dedication, but right now it sounds like you're one harddrive failure away from losing everything tethering you to this world.
>>737786238>By truth, I've never seemed to feel such things as other people do, so I don't imagine I'll ever find such things in this world.>Too much of a fundamental incompatibility, so to speak.in a way anon, it also means that love is much more than the feeling in your chest. Including that lingering thought of "I could do something more".It's believing your lover when they tell you that you're enough for them, continually trying to be better anyways because that beats in the very heart of what it means to be a man, and yet still accepting that she isn't wrong to love you, even if something inside screams that you haven't done enough, that you must torch the world to earn that which you aren't compatible with on some fundamental level.To love and of course, allow yourself to be loved.
>>737786349I mean, some of those posts about Bun Bun mentioned just straight up killing her if she was turned into a cyborg, as opposed to trying to reverse it while retaining her existence.
>4 votes for chujinOyajin gang rise up
>>737786302>>737786145The issue with Chapter releases, same thing that plagued the DR scene before chapters 3 and 4. Everyone's idealized version of what the game could be will always be better than what it will end up being (and maybe this is what Toby was trying to say with Gerson).
>>737786302DRY: Weenie Hut Junior's edition
>>737786396Its not just her. Chujin and Sadie were another couple of really big things I was really hyped for. All the ideas presented here were so cool and I wanted to see them in game. If the drones aren't there, that kinda kills my investment in anything to do with Sadie.
>>737786013I've shared too much already, but this is how it is. Part being used to, part sex access, part being a parent but you just do it after a certain point. I believe that's ok, not many things in life sustain if you don't put your mind to it.
Since we're page 9 and past bump limit, I wanted to say I'm surprised at the results of the other poll and how many people like Yagi and Shu.
>>737786489The drones was just an stupid but fun idea, I was a major part in that discussion and I never intended it to be part of DRY, did you really think we would be seeing a darkworld composed of Sadie's dead siblings?
>>737786543the poll hasn't been closed yet, but once it does, I'd like to discuss it
>>737786404>but shouldn't you have other things keeping you in the land of the living?I have reasons to not die, like not hurting loved ones or the fear of going to hell. But as far as proactive reasons to want to live, that's basically it. I don't have much going on in my life. >it sounds like you're one harddrive failure away from losing everything tethering you to this world.It'd take 3 hard drive failures and a bad bout of amnesia to get rid of Oldentale permanently. Anything less the project can survive.
>>737786507yeah I don't mean to put it in a negative light. There's a reason the vast majority of marriages fall apart, so there's something uniquely romantic about one that makes the active, willing choice to persevereI've seen old long time couples that clearly hated eachother and made the choice out of almost spite, and I've seen old longtime couples that had eased into a lifelong trust and comfort with eachothers existence. Forging forward together. what a world
>>737786446That was what I would do if I were there, witnessing that, in a real situation with real danger. I'm prone to making rash decisions when I'm put up against the wall like that.
>>737786417That does sound very nice.But even still, there's a reason I see myself as a machine. Something with a purpose to fulfill, not meant to exist as people do.Honestly, even if I were in the company of one of my scrimblos, and they were to tell me everything you've described, I don't think I'd ever really be capable of believing them, it's just how I am.
>>737786679You need to think more strategically.She's a darkner, an object.Objects can be repaired.Take her to the equivalent of that guy from Toy Story 2, she'll practically be good as new.
>>737786459It stings worse here because there was a real chance of that stuff happening. DRYanon reads these threads and a lot of stuff is subject to change. He even expressed interest in a lot of it. So it got my hopes way higher than Deltarune did and got me way more invested. Which made the crash back down worse. >>737786486I'm a goofy goober and I'm proud, damn it!
>>737786702So you understand yet won't apply
>>737786758She already lost her purity, she's of no use to anon now
>>737786621>I have reasons to not die, like not hurting loved ones or the fear of going to hell. But as far as proactive reasons to want to live, that's basically it. I don't have much going on in my life. Hm.Well, that's something at least.>It'd take 3 hard drive failures and a bad bout of amnesia to get rid of Oldentale permanently. Anything less the project can survive.Put one of those hard drives in a rubberized safe, never know when you'll be subject to a spontaneous lighting strike.Inside your house.
>>737786787>I'm a goofy goober and I'm proud, damn it!Honestly? Based
>>737786559No, but I expected her house to be lousy with little worker drones carrying out menial tasks. And for that environment to shape her as a person. And I was really excited to see the drones get little fantasy costumes in the dark world, but remain otherwise unchanged. I wasn't expecting ant zombies and corpse pits.
>>737786702>I don't think I'd ever really be capable of believing them, it's just how I am.>Ceroba and anon sat down for a long talk after the recent "incident". Life had it's ups and downs, of course, and they each had a unique journey before their paths crossed. Ceroba told Anon of her fears and desires, laying her heart bare, revealing the vulnerability that had driven her to her actions, in how she tried to stop him the other day.>In turn, against his better judgement, Anon shared as well. Perhaps not everything, but marriage was a two way road, and so he told her of lifes journey for a moment. It wasn't easy, allowing himself to be vulnerable, but he took a leap of faith, ending on that thought, >"I don't think I'd ever really be capable of believing it, it's just how I am.">There was quiet between them for a moment, but then Ceroba leaned forward, hugging anon. The embrace was just as much for herself as it was for him. She whispered into his ear as they sat in eachothers presence.>"Then I'll tell you dear, as many times as it takes. If I have to remind you every morning when we get up to face the day, then I will. If I have to remind you every night when we lay down to sleep, without a thought, I will remind you. When I took you in sickness and in health, I meant it dearly. So as many times as it takes, I will remind you. >anon wanted to cut in, but Ceroba put her head against his and reminded him.>"I'm sure you have a lot to say, my love, but this is my choice to make. As many times as it takes, I'll remind you of my love.I should really be working
>>737786807Being the recipient of such feelings would be nice, and I would do whatever I could to repay them in kind, but I've always felt like I had to be doing something with my life, actively.I'm not the kind of person who can just exist passively, I need to be actively contributing to making the world better, or I have no reason to exist at all.Even if it amounts to doing something small that makes someones day just a bit better, I have to be doing something, or else I'm just obsolete.Everything I do is in service of this, even the things that most directly go towards just keeping myself afloat, it's all in service of the larger purpose, ultimately.
>>737786916I came up with that idea, I still think it's too dumb for Deltarune, the world is way more grounded than in Undertale, and I'm sure that scenario would look out of place in UT too, unless it's used for a one off npc gag
>>737786981>i should be workingjokes on me, systems are down at work. The Fox and bird rot is mine to embrace
>>737786758I guess I could just keep her head around like that guy in God of War. She survived it being removed and attached to a robot, so she can probably survive just being a head. I would rather just think of a scenario where this never happened at all though. Or one where I fix it with a silly musical number.
>>737787029Well I really liked it and thought it would've made for great character development. My entire view of her character, the Sadie I know and care about is that Sadie.
>>737786843I should make more backups.
I think sadies family having a kind of "hive dynamic" with her having a bit of a stilted grasp on emotions when she was very little is pretty cool even if we don't go for "thousands of dead drone siblings" then of course theres teaching sadie magic which is nice to think of.
>>737786987You should grow out of this. Go back and mow your parents' lawn and tell them to fuck off. Find your old friend buy him a beer and tell him to pay for it. Get a girl and tell her to just lie down and take it. You can't live your whole life like this. You're your own person, sorry if I sound like a shrink.
>>737787029Its no different from muffet and her spiders. Its fun fantasy biology in an urban fantasy setting.
>>737786981Thank you, anon.Mechanical as I am, I can appreciate this.I think often about how Ceroba might deal with me, esoteric defects and all.I'm reminded of that one part of Handplates, where Gaster worries Alphys with talk of what it would be like to not exist, right after she came to check up on his wellbeing.For whatever it's worth, it's not like I would go and get myself killed over nothing for her, so in the absence of a true life or death situation, I'd remain by her side, as long as I had a say in the matter.Even if I wouldn't necessarily believe I had a reason to exist.
>>737787105I was thinking more like taking her head to go and have the rest of her restored, but alright.
>>737787226But her being a middle manager of a bunch of non sentient drones is integral to that idea. It just has cause or justification without it.
>>737787165I think it's somewhat disrespectful to think that Sadie was going to be exists, DRYanon clearly already had ideas prepared for her and that entire thing would have been a massive change for the character, it would be as if someone came up with a bizarre scenario for Racter, Wiki Reynault or whoever from Oldentale, and then they would get disappointed when it turns out the joke idea was never going to be implemented since it would change the entire character.
>>737787165DRY1anon outright said he would only be loosely referencing some stuff from the threads. I don't know how you deluded yourself into believing that was going to happen.>>737787226agreed on the latter
>>737787226Piles of Sadie's dead siblings' dust...
>>737787313I'd do that too, but she's not staying attached to that machine for a minute longer. If any of this happened, which it didn't.
>>737787360I think that anon has a serious problem of wanting his ideas to be the only ideas that get into the games, he might be the only anon to ever get disappointed over this
>>737787257>Even if I wouldn't necessarily believe I had a reason to exist.And she'd gonna keep on telling you that you do have a reason to exist, until she somehow manages to program it into your brain. Foxes are very stubborn with their love I hear.Ceroba has employed me to help her in initiating these orbital strikes of positive thoughts.
>>737787227>Get a girl and tell her to just lie down and take it.I can think of several reasons why that would be a bad idea.A criminally bad idea, even.>You can't live your whole life like this. You're your own person, sorry if I sound like a shrink.And therefore, it is my decision to live like this.And I do get real enjoyment from it.Studying, so that I might get into a field in which I can more directly improve the world, making small things to amuse others, etc.I have my purpose, and I like it, it just has some effects that cause me to exist differently from normal humans.
>>737787325she could have some small number of more drone like siblings without doing the whole "mountains of sibling corpses" idea. The siblings could even be more like stooges than actual drones so that they have some personality, but need direction from a more coordinated and smart queen.
>>737787257>Even if I wouldn't necessarily believe I had a reason to exist.Humans exist to love and be loved by their scrimblos
>>737787360> I don't know how you deluded yourself into believing that was going to happen.I was hoping the drones would be included as part of him referencing or drawing inspiration from the threads. Without all the dumb edgelord stuff that was attached. Don't try to turn this into some Mikefag "you're stupid for thinking that thing". I'm allowed to have hopes and wants and I'm allowed to be disappointed and dislike things.
>>737787480>>Get a girl and tell her to just lie down and take it.>I can think of several reasons why that would be a bad idea.>A criminally bad idea, even.I think the anon isn't actually advocating for rape, and more just being dominant. Hopefully at least. Being dominant and telling her to "take it" doesn't entail keeping going if she says no.
>>737787506>she could have some small number of more drone like siblings without doing the whole "mountains of sibling corpses" idea. That's precisely what I wanted to happen, that's what I've been saying this whole time. I'm disappointed that didn't happen.
>>737787442>And she'd gonna keep on telling you that you do have a reason to exist, until she somehow manages to program it into your brain. Foxes are very stubborn with their love I hear.I suppose we'll have to see what gives first, then.After all, I was told I had "worse stubbornness than Ceroba", at one point.
>>737787586>>737787538DRY anon said since the start that there would be no lightner OCs
>>737787561That phrasing just sounds real questionable, I don't know.
>>737787480You're not unique, but you are. Get that into your thick head, if you're in stem you should understand concepts. Earlier the better. Your purpose is fine but you'll regret not just being later on. Finding people and being in books are not exclusive.
>>737787619>>737787586well I still like the idea of stooge drones. It's actually a funny dynamic that could be at home in undertales world. Almost like a doronjo queen with her bug drone stooges.
>>737787346People can do that if they want. I'm free to make the game I want and people are free to have whatever opinion they want on it. Its not disrespectful, just engaging with media like a human being. I would've liked one thing to happen and was excited for it. It didn't, now I'm no longer excited.
>>737787661>You're not unique, but you are. Get that into your thick headThose are mutually exclusive things here man, I don't know what you expect me to do with that.>Finding people and being in books are not exclusive.This I get, but the rest of this post sounds like gibberish to me.
>>737787652You always rape a bit. If she liked it it's not rape.
