>just memorise a series of inputs because the unfair coin eater demands itWhy are shmups such a joke of a genre? Literal rhythm game tier memorisation and zero gameplay density
>>737726302It's a test of your fudo. If you are a man you can get the 1cc. If you are less you will be shaken.
>>737726504It's telling that shmupfags cannot play games with dynamic enemies or pvp games
>>737726538It's illegal to say "I want to kill the president of the United States"Totally illegal
>>737726302"OP here, I'm trans and black and I was arrested after attempting to shoot the president of the United States last night btw."
You are angry and mentally ill. Time to stop playing video game and leave this place for good.
>>737726535There is no game which is dynamic. It's easier to learn a flow chart for a random game than a route for a static game. Introducing randomness just lowers the skill ceiling. You would know this if you weren't weak and feminine, like my father, whom i defeated in 1 on 1 combat at the age of 18 and then took control of his estate.
>>737726825LOLshmupfag cope
>>737726302what do you get by making these shit thread daily? how miserable are you?
Should I get Ray'z or Darius Cozmic and G-Darius?
>>737727038Ray'z, that collection will last you for a very long time.
this is just how shmup threads are around here
Fucking shit game.
>>737726825You are retarded.
>>737728538I could kill you with a single strike.
>>737726825>There is no game which is dynamicPlay endless mode in this game
>>737726302>just memorise a series of inputs because the unfair coin eater demands itAs a shmup fan, he's kinda right? Why can't we see more dynamically changing enemies for every playthrough for most modern shmup games? Wouldn't that test a real player by adapting to new enemy patterns?
>>737729381No? There's a upper limit to what's humanly reactable. What happens when I can react to everything? The only way to increase the skill ceiling would be to introduce memorization. Shmups use reactive patterns in conjunction with memorization to attack different parts of the brain. If it was random patterns I'd simple have to memorize all the patterns, if it was random bullet vomit I'd just be doing identical micro for 20 minutes. There are plenty of shmups where shots are aimed, and due to robot precision being impossible there is an element of improvisation. Like if you play the second loop in a psikyo game, there's only so much you can control with revenge bullets, it would be very difficult to make the trajectory absolutely static. It's not so shallow that adding random patterns would be an improvement.
I don't like Zeroranger.
>>737729745why
>>737729650>No? There's a upper limit to what's humanly reactable. What happens when I can react to everything?Oh, I see.. If they were dynamic, and it was balanced enough to react it would just be an infinite loop and be too easy.. Extending that past human levels with a static level design makes it more challenging because of the progression of learning and adapting.. Interesting.
>>737726535Post fightcade or slippi tranny. Post it now shitterGame of your choice. I'll wait
>>737731754Hold up I will kick your ass. Lobby up in Fightcade? More obscure the better pussy.
>>737731754Absolutely silent as expected for someone who is only good at talking
Got to 2-6 in sengoku ace today, getting kinda close. This game isn't super demanding but holy fuck is it unforgiving. I will post the replay in a bit, but it's not like anyone cares. The first loop is a no-miss, and the 1-all is super beginner friendly if anyone wants the route.
>>737731905Not that guy but I want to play something with anon. What game were you thinking of?
>>737732370>>737732370My IGN is StreetSnakeLets play Twinkle Star sprite
>>737731754>no responseKEK
>>737732370Lmao that guy was easy whooped his ass back to China townThis guy >>737731754 too quiet still no responseIGN is StreetSnake awaiting more challengers in my wake
https://youtu.be/prUP5cqZ-ZYSengoku AceThe critical failure point here is messing up the safe spot in 2-4. Sometimes bullets in this game are random, like 5% of the time it'll just fuck you. I wasn't paying attention and that happened. Recovery is very hard, because you get 1 power up after dying, which is not enough to restore your subshot, which is like 95% if your damage. Regardless, if I had done the tanks in 2-6 correctly I would have still had enough resources to win since the rest of the game is pretty much free, but in practice I bomb that section because it's sketchy so not much chance of that happening. My whole second loop is pretty sloppy, so I need to tighten that up a lot more.
>>737726535I think PvP requires more skill but it’s not a better kind of skill. Most PvP players could not beat a shmup but the opposite is not true. PvP is for low iq chimps unless you are the best players in the world
>>737726302it's a shame shmups and fighters are still stuck in the arcade design, I mean it's fine if that's what most players want but I wish there were at least some that adapted the console design philosophy
>>737726302>free to play now>can just save state practice anything challenging
PARTY MORKERS IN THE THREAD TONIGHT
do you practice with stage selects/save statesdo you restart when you fuck up or keep going (despite losing power ups for example)how long does it usually take you to get a 1CChow do you deal with the imbalance of getting bored with redoing memorized early stages vs getting destroyed in later stages because less playtime>>737733190do you have a CRS vid
>>737734091>do you have a CRS vidI don't know what that is, cho ren sha?
>>737734208yes
>>737734091I start a run, continue it to the end no matter how much I mess up, and I never practice using save statesTHE REAL MANS WAY
>>737734448Sorry I haven't played that in a long time. If shmup wiki is down you can find replays on restart syndrome. Something to keep in mind in that game is that you get a lot of resources and most importantly shields, so you have a lot of room for error. If you don't have a shield and getting all 3 power ups is hard, bomb and use the i-frames to get both a shield and your bomb back. If you have a shield but your bombs aren't full, sometimes it's better to forego risking getting all 3 powerups and just grab a bomb. Look at how players quick kill and lead shots in replays, that should help with popcorn. The game also has a debug menu that lets you practice individual stages. Since the beginning of games is generally easier than the end, sometimes it's best to focus on practicing the later stages, since it takes like 5% as long to polish the early stages. Good luck.
>>737734091Which game invented the thing with the three power ups in a triangle? Was it Cho Ren Sha? I tried this game not long ago and getting in the center of those is way harder than it looks.
>>737729745I do but it's too easy. I can't wait for black onion.
>>737734786I think so, fun risk reward mechaniceven attempting this trick>>737734736>get both a shield and your bomb backif you mess up staying in the triangle then you may lose bothnot comfortable attempting this mid stages or will have to practice it>The Triple Item Grab technique is also used in Graze Counter GM.>The powerup items seen in Crimzon Clover are a reference to the Cho Ren Sha item triangle.
>>737734786The tricky bit is that you have to tap down while it's moving, and while you do you i-frames once your successful, you aren't invulnerable when getting it, so you have to set that up too. It's a pretty neat idea.
>>737731754Region?
>>737726302>gameplay densityI genuinely consider never using this website again when I run into a Mork fanboy.
>>737735851Sounds like someone can't handle the resource snowing taste elevator gameplay density pure nitaku kino of shmups
>>737735851The games are literally dense. I don't see what the big deal is. Imagine if a 40 hour long movie game had to be designed to be 20 minutes long.
Memorization is a skill. People who complain that a game requires memorization are complaining because they lack this skill.
>>737735851did someone bully your favorite jrpg
>>737737073LOL
>>737735851The fact that you can't tell OP is taking the piss suggests autism.
>>737736381Something is dense alright.
>>737737151It doesn't matter. A "joke" that is just insufferable screeching at the top of your lungs is just as annoying as unironically screeching at the top of your lungs.
>>737737295weeds.png
>>737737073noone can refute this
>>737730651An interesting and ancient example is mappy. https://youtu.be/JxMp1cJABDcThere's an error in programming that makes the enemies unpredictable at random, so it's unlikely you'll ever see a counterstop/killscreen of this game. I can only find one video on the entire internet of someone looping it. More people speedrun it than score it. So I guess a question to ask is, if the high score is heavily dependent on rng, is it skilled based?
>>737737295>Screeching at the top of your lungsIt's words on a message board.
>>737726302>just memorise a series of inputs...AND NOT CHOKE.In the heat of the moment.Do not choke.Easier said than done.
>>737726302How can one work of art be so based?
>Performative faggots when you tell them that different game genres require different sets of skills to play proficientlyRhythm games require a sense of musical rhythm, which is both a natural and acquired skillIt's okay to be really good at one type of game be bad at anotherAt some point a bunch of retards got it in their heads that reflexes were the only skill that matters. You can have the best reflexes in the world and have no rhythm, no ability to multitask, no capacity for long term planning, poor memory, no capability to handle pressure/frustration, no intuitive problem-solving skills, no ability to read opponents, etc.
DOJ doesn't seem so bad after spending so much time with Radiant Silvergun. Maybe I'm not as familiar with CAVE but it feels like you can improvise/bullshit a little more
>>737739673It's not bad but you really want to route hard.
>>737739576>performativeWhy do I see this word constantly now
>>737739673If nothing else, at least in Cave games you're not FUCKED if you stray from the one and only intended scoring route. Play Radiant Silvergun like a shmup and you won't even do any damage to the bosses later on.
>>737737073Here's your REMINDER.
>>737739835Oh believe me I know. If I drop a chain by dying I just reset. I fucking loved this game so much when I was only like 10-20 hours in. Now its really getting on my nerves as I get near the end.
>>737739787Because you started fixating on it.
>>737740130>If I drop a chain by dying I just reset.If I drop a chain on the opening stage, I reset. I do my best from the 2nd stage onward and just shrug it off if I drop a chain. I'm an asspie but Silvergun is way too autistic even for me. It's a shame because I love everything else about the game. The weapon button system. The soundtrack. The hyper sword. The boss battles (when you properly chained enough to do real damage). The visuals which imo still hold up. Everything except the fucking EXP system that rewards "almost always kill only red enemies BUT WHEN YOU SEE BLUE+YELLOW, THEN KILL RED-BLUE-YELLOW IN THAT ORDER AND THEN KEEP KILLING YELLOW", it's fucking obnoxious.
>>737739576>Rhythm games require a sense of musical rhythmThey honestly don't unless if we're talking games like Rhythm Heaven where you genuinely can play it blind
>>737726302Anyone know the bullet hell arcade but it was set in like 1945 but you can call like in a single huge missle that did a shit ton of damage but it was a arcade and had good graphics like metal slug almost but more slightly realistic? I remember it being called a year but when I look it up I never find it.
>>737740335>They don't>Unless we're talking about the ones that do
>>737740653Rhythm heaven is literally the only example in that entire genre. The exception does not prove the rule. It's like saying all SHMUPs are like Ikaruga
>>737740276 here, I got bored. (deleted and reposted because I'm a retard and didn't fix the format)"The Treasure game history is a rich tapestry. But, since we're all gonna die, there's one more secret I feel I have to share with you: I did not care for Radiant Silvergun.""What?""Did not care for Radiant Silvergun.""How can you even say that, anon?""Didn't like it.""Anon, it's so good! It's like the perfect game!""This is what everyone always said. Whenever they say...""Hiroshi Iuchi, Hitoshi Sakimoto, I mean, you never see, Studio Gonzo!""Fine. Fine. Fine team, did not like the game.""Why not?""Did not... couldn't get into it.""Explain yourself. What didn't you like about it?""It insists upon itself.""What?""It insists upon itself.""What does that even mean?""Because it has a valid point to make, it's insisted!""It takes forever memorizing the scoring route; you spend like six and a half hours on Stage 3... You know, I can't get through, I've never even finished the game. I've never seen the ending.""You've never seen the ending?!""How can you say you don't like it if you haven't even given it a chance?""I agree. It's not really fair.""It's outrageous.""I have tried on three separate occasions to get through it, and I get to Stage 5.""Yeah, it's a great stage. I love that stage.""I have no idea what they're talking about. It's like they're speaking a different... You know, that's where I lose interest in it.""You know what, Anon...""They're speaking Japanese!""The language they're speaking is a language of subtlety; it's something you don't understand.""I love Cotton Boomerang. That is my answer to that statement.""Exactly.""Well, there you go.""Whatever.""I like that game too."
>>737740394Strikers 1945
Do you think there is merit in something being, you know, a video game, where you can show off cool gameplay of a shmup and it's clear what's happening is cool, whereas with a rhythm game without someone physically showing themselves putting in the inputs outside of the game it just looks retarded? Genuine question
>>737741438snail is a BITCH and a harlot and a tease
>>737741438>shmup>cool gameplayPick one.
>>737741474https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L2SNX7k4v8
>>737741474Cooler than a bunch of arrows scrolling down the screen, regardless of personal bias the point should be obvious.
>>737741534This is boring as fuck within a minute. Just the same shit over and over.
>>737741605Cool. Try doing it, yourself.
>>737742212That would require practicing in an incredibly boring genre, no thanks.
>>737742257Not boring when you're in the midst of the adrenaline rush.
>>737737073No, it's because I refuse to put in the effort in on a shit genre with no other value to it, you faggot nigger.
The fucking blimp bitch in Akai Katana is driving me nuts... Why is stage 6 so easy and yet stage 4 and 5 are fucking torture?
>>73774240399% of the time it is boring though. Shitty studycore dork coded genre.
>>737742567Go back to playing fighting games and character action games, and convince yourself it's not the exact same "memorize but also don't choke" shit as shmups.
You can play Arika's ps2 ports in LRPS2 at native PGM resolution of 448x224. Betcha didn't know this huh
>>737742629Those genres also suck.
>>737742649what do you play?
>>737742693Real games for real freaks.
>>737742724Taito never misses.
>>737742631What's the best arrange mode in all of Cave shmups, and why is it from Arika's Espgaluda port? Shit's ridiculous, it's scoring heaven from just five seconds in and only gets better.
>>737742838I still don't get why can't you remap regular and arrange modes in espgaluda separately, because if you bind arrange then regular arcade ends up completely unplayable
>>737742925Agreed, it was a weird design choice. At least if you're emulating it, could you just have separate save states for arcade and arrange mode, complete with properly-mapped controls for each?
>>737743027I think I'll just play arcade on FBN, and use PS2 port for arrange onlybut that is one bizarre decision, having seen anything like it
>>737743090>I think I'll just play arcade on FBN, and use PS2 port for arrange onlyThere you go>but that is one bizarre decision, having seen anything like itYeah, it really was strange. Until emulation caught up and the PS2 port was my only way of playing the game, it was annoying having to remap the controls for arrange mode.
