>DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?!
Which pear?
Dawn of War 1.
>>737729063Chaos is a low tier faction, and always were. You get less customization on your units than your Imperial counterparts, you can't reinforce your main T2 anti-tank unit, and have to wait for them to completely die before they stop wasting your popcap, you're early scout is a meme and even with late game infiltrate is still bad. All your vehicles are a joke and get dumpstered even by Tau vehicles that your flyer is the only respectable one of the bunch. You have 2 separate relic units and one slowly kills itself if it isn't in a fight, where it just dies faster.1/10 Go back to the warp, retard.
>>737729964>you can't reinforce your main T2 anti-tank unitthey changed this in soulstorm but it's true chaos has bolter rush or predator rush and that's it and the joke has always been SM tier 2 is better than chaos tier 3
ARAHGSHEARAHFFASHFASADJGASHDFA
>>737729063I like the look of "generic" chaos marines a lot more than all the modern figures being faction specific.
>>737730510this tbհ
>>737730563Modern 40k has a huge 'your dudes' problem. It used to be most models were generic enough, or diverse enough, that you could do what you want with them. Now everything is so specific that some subfactions have been effectively squatted, like the IG Armageddon regiment. Replaced with Cadians.
>>737729964>your flyer
>>737731835>IG Armageddon regiment. Replaced with Cadianssteel legion was replaced by krieg but tbf they are re-introducing steel legion models because of the massive shitstorm from fansyour point is correct though; renegade marines and traitor guard have basically not existed because GW doesn't want too much overlap between chaos / imperial models and refuses to have Bad Guy detachments in the Good Guy books
>>737729063:|.../:<
anyone play unification?
>>737729063>I CAN FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME>IT IS A GOOD PAIN
>I AM NOT YOUR BOOTLICK!
>ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS
>>737730563its especially awkward for Chaos Space Marines cause the faction still exists but its a hollowed out husk all the juicy bits of which have been split into 4 opposite directions.
Yes
>>737735136>all the juicy bits of which have been split into 4 opposite directions...no? the cult legions were originally 1 (one) model each, models you can still play within csm
>>737729964Chaos used to be good, then Winter Assault just removed options to give them a third dedicated melee unit for some fucking reason.
Is the remaster worth it?
SHATTER.THEIR.SKIES.
>*captures your starter req point*BY THE EMPRAH, WEEE'VE WONGO GO GO ON MY MARK, CHAAARGE GO GO GO GLORY TO THE FIRST MAN TO- ON MY MARK- GO GO- STOOOORM THEM TAKING HIIITS GO GO GO GLORY TO THE FIRST MAN TO DIE!WITNESS
Did Slaanesh ever turn someone into a daemon prince as a joke?Like she knew some poor fuck would be miserable for the rest of eternity and gets a kick out of seeing it.
>>737731835For me, it's the 2 "main" factions having literally something like a dozen army books with each one having some stupid snowflake mechanic while everyone else just gets an army detachment at best, with power creep being so blatant that you don't even want to be a "vanilla" Chaos Space Marine or Space Marine warband/chapter anymoreI am so fucking sick of muhreen wank its unreal
>>737738653unless they fixed the fucktarded pathfinding, not even slightly
>>737729152DIS PEAR
>Elves get their own faction>Dwarves get their own faction>Orcs get their own factionHalflingbros, we lost...
>>737740169>FOR I AM THE END OF GAYSHow did Relic get away with it?
>>737729063USE THE FRAGS
>head to https://wh40k-test.xyz/>click the language-setting in the top right to un-chink it>Speed through>Post results>>737740179I hope we get ratlings in a game, one day. We missed our best chance when DoW1 had a vindicare for the guard sniping unit.
>>737729063>VANESSA DIIIIIIIIMEWhat did he mean by this?
>>737729063I FEAR NO EVIL FOR I AM FEAR INCARNATEGLORY FOR THE FIRST MAN TO DIE!
>>737732431I dropped Unification for two reasons.Guard vs Sisters in campaign has a map where there's constant req dumps and the AI can do a lot more with that than you.Camilla Fire Emblem in a Noisesword.
Pitch YOUR dream 40K game.Posted this before in threads before, but>WARHAMMER 40,000: PENITENT CRUSADEYou make your own homebrew chapter complete with their own paint scheme, affinity towards whatever gear/fighting styles, etc. The kicker? Your chapter is on a penitence crusade and is on their last legs. Game would play like an XCOM, FTL, roguelike. Top-down overlay of your chapter's ship, travelling around and encountering friend and foe alike in random events that would require you to make decisions. Victory conditions would be selected from the very start, and will directly coincide with why your chapter is on this crusade to begin with. Things like>ACCUSED OF HERESY>ACCUSED OF XENOS SYMPATHIES>ACCUSED OF WEAKNESSThese conditions are also directly tied to the ease/difficulty of a playthrough. You may only need to survive for so many turns into a campaign, you may have to travel to some Emperor-forsaken hell hole and fucking banish a daemon. Lastly, you would build your chapter's culture in the beginning of creating them. This will have a massive impact on how your game plays, and can easily corrupt your chapter based on you not playing in alignment with their culture, thus ending your game with a fall to Chaos. For example, if you make your marines highly honor obsessed, yet you constantly do dishonorable things in-game for any reason (think: running from fights, turning your back on a planet with a distress signal in a random event, selling holy relics, etc.) it will destroy your chapter not by losing all your marines in battle, but by losing your chapter's identity, thus your marines lose faith and turn to the ruinous powers.
>>737740559I can never understand his lines for those spells. Even with the wiki I don't know what he was saying.
>>737729964>Chaos is a low tier factionI wish geedubs would treat them as such.
>>737740951>>737732431I've been getting real tired of the arbitrary waifu inserts and OC donut steel creeping into the mod over the last several iterations, it's becoming untenable.
luv me tzzentchluv me bolters'ate slaanesh'ate khorne'ate nurgle 'ate undivided (not raycis just don't like 'em)simple as
>>737741904If I remember right, Legion of the Damned has had "Ghost Rider" as a high tier unit for many versions now. That's fine, it's a tongue-in-cheek missable reference.Deadpool and Wolverine are in one of the factions now and it's kind of just played straight. I don't like it.
we need a 40k game that includes Goge Vandire, he's massively underrated
>>737742351The ghost rider character was a 3rd edition chaos character who was technically a daemon prince.>https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Doomrider
>>737732431I do. Mainly because it is currently less crash prone than the alternatives
>>737742439>Final words>I can't die, I've got to much work to do!
I'll take CARE of it, lord.......
For the greater goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhXCQFxGqMM&list=RDmhXCQFxGqMM
>>737731835>>737732368Kinda sad how only Orks somewhat avoid this problem. Doesnt help how all of the modern minis from all races are fucking monopose as fuck so it's a pain in the ass to kitbash shit in high numbers.
>>737741180>Pitch YOUR dream 40K game.Rising storm 2 but with Imperial guard vs Bloodpact with a melee combat system.
>>737742981>Orks somewhat avoid this problem*squats half of your range, squats every kitbash datasheet*heh nothin personnel squigger
>play chaos, orks and eldar>try necron>let out a sigh of relief because they have no bad voice lines>just silence as i steamroll the enemy
The force of righteousness.
>>737740531I didn't expect this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtXEF3wuLU
>>737740531>do the test>do it seriously, trying to be a good person without falling into zealotry>You are a CHAOS CULTISTYeah duck you too.
>>737741180>Pitch YOUR dream 40K game.My dream would be if Total War 40k turns out goodMy dream of a dream would be if it's good from Day 1
>>737740531Don't be racist.
>>737743704its a 40k thread..
>>737743467They really are the best.
>>737743467Maybe no bad VOICE lines but fuck some of their sound effects hurt to hear, one of the undeniably good things the remaster fixed
>>737742351>deadpool and wolverine are in one of the factions now and its kind of just played straightyou're joking right
>>737740531
I wanted to get into 40k tabletop, but the tg threads have some weird posters so I don't think I'd like it.
>>737740531Huh, based.
>>737742760Fuck off, blueberry.
>>737743982Major Wade "Willy" Wilson is a "Cathay Reinforcements" option for the Death Korps of Krieg. You have to toggle it on but he's there.
>HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH>*inhales*>THEY DO NOT HAVE A PRAYER
>>737743626
>>737740531CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
>AWOO WITH ME BR - ACK!
So I have Dawn of War both OG (boxed), Anniversary Edition and all the expansions (boxed) that I have redeemed on Steam.If I want to play with all the factions and content, as if I were playing Soulstorm, should I install Dawn of War Anniversary Edition or install soulstorm?It's a bit confusing, since mods like Unification say that it can be installed on both AE and Soulstorm. So does AE have all the content? Or do I still have to install the expansions separately?
>>737743602>>737745043>drastically different charts>but they get the same thingwhat
>>737744557Jesus christ you weren't kidding, made worse by the fact he is for the krieg roster
>>737741180Just a really good DOW game with no primaris shits and a Dark Crusade-style campaign. I know that's boring but it's what I want damn it.
>>737745180I think you just misunderstand.Soulstorm is just like the latest expansionAnniversary Edition contain everything including Soulstorm.If you install soulstorm then you can play soulstorm onlyIf you install anniversary edition you can play previous expansion and soulstorm.
>>737745253I'm pretty sure angron is the default centrist option
>>737740531Huh, neat. Any other Primechads out there?
>>737740531Grandpa Nurgle loves you
>>737745710I see, I was confused because of the install filesize, how can Dawn of War Anniversary Edition be 2.59GB and have all of the stuff in the expansions, each of which is 4 to 6GB?
>>737745787If my understanding is correct, activating anniversary edition will give you each of those expansion as separate game in your library. The 2.59 gb is just the first game.
>>737740248Never used them because the icon looks like a furry to me
>>737745905Right, I just installed all of them lol, they're small.You have to launch Soulstorm to get all the races.
>>737741180NecromundaPunk 40.077
>>737740531I see
>>737740531suffering builds character
DIS PEAR
>>737740531I feel insulted
>>737740531Listen. I know I am a horny man but I'm not THAT horny... all the time.
>>737740531Heh it even looks like a skull Runner up was Iron Warriors which I prefer
>>737746397END OF GAYS
>>73774053140K LORELET HEREHOW FUCKED AM I?
>>737746965Killed for being too based
I understand more than you could possibly know...
>>737746965You do everything right, and everything wrong happens to you, and are summarily forced to become what everyone had already assumed.
>>737746965Space furfags hate you now
>>737746965You are the smartest dumbass in the galaxy.
>>737747134Name a single thing that Magnus did right.
>>737740531Where the fuck did my bike go?
>>737746665This is quite surprising, but Dark Angels and Ultramarines as next runners up feels insulting.
>>737746965you're a terminal fuck up, Tzeentch's funniest clown
are these threads made just so larpers like pic rel can get opinions on warhammer?
>>737747254He let a lot of T-sons get killed.
xue hua piao piao bei feng xiao xiao
>>737730510Only sane person in the galaxy.
>>737740531Hell yeah, time to go to the valley, have a couple nose beers, and king hit some dumb first timers
>>737747274kek anon, the chinks think you are a "basicu bitchu"
>>737739103>Try to fight them.>They retreat inside a building.T1 early game vs IG matches are like trying to catch roaches who keep raiding your sugar bowl and then escaping under the oven when you put the lights on.
>>737747434Fuck that, there was a brief time where Ultramarines had a compelling story around them, before Matt Ward made them the Mary Sue Chapter that has the best tactics because they had the best Primarch and the best Chapter Master that all Chapters revere as their spiritual liege. They were a Chapter forced to acknowledge that the big book of war didn't have all the answers and if they wanted to survive they had to adapt, and became professional Tyranid hunters. Thereby becoming a specialized force that the book said not to do.I can still be more than a basic bitch...
>>737747560Whoops, wrong image.
>>737740531Please ClarifyI thought Id get team Blue
>>737740531>Dark Angels. BASED
>>737747594soooooo close lmao
>>737740531Black Templars, based.
>>737746397>>737746903
>>737747594Horny always and forever
>>737744181>"Hurt them."All I needed to hear!
>>737740531>>737745742I chose to be as selfish as possible with many hedonistic answers fully expecting emperor's children to be my result but... I'm Horus!?
>>737740531Daemonettes here I come.
>>737747917>Horus confirmed; irredeemable, petulant man-child, who only saw any success due to his cheat code charisma powers.I cannot wait for some shitty modern audience writer to make him black and call it a day.
>>737739103BY THE EMPRAH, NOT THEM :'(
>>737747917Your Purpose ranking is too high. Slaanesh don't have any higher ideals beyond hedonism. Your dick should be your only motivation.
>>737730510I'd follow him anywhere
Ahhh… Little victories.
>>737746032True centrist build
Let's be honest if the Emperor just made Lion times 20 he would have ended the great crusade by tuesday.
>>737748048But Perfectionism is a core part of Slaanesh which is a higher ideal
>>737740531How big is Warhammer40k in chinkland? I remember back when the chinese BDSM artist JM got arrested one chink in Sadpanda commented "Slaanesh lost his champion" in cantonese.
>>737747348Mindbroken
>>737729964For me chaos can be best faction in game that destroy everything, still would not play this band of disgusting faggots
>>737748141Slaanesh perfectionism is driven by pride, which by itself is not a higher ideal. Its just another way to feel good about yourself. Your dick gets high when you get the confirmation that you're better at something than others.
>>737748212good to know.
>>737747486Count your blessings if you play Soulstorm for having removed building turrets outside of zones of control (aka right outside your exit ramp with my tanky as fuck techpriest and then garrisoned with troopers)
>>737741180Check this out anon. Basically the closest we'll get to FTL 40k. https://youtu.be/UObn2BaTRP4?si=8zBeNO-NH01bYlHV
>>737738653The remaster can be cracked right?I only want it to play mods
>>737741180A game that bricks every usuers system and forces them to actually play the game.
It's seems I'm too BASED for this world.
>>737748329Seraphim and Reaver Jetbike spam makes your techpriest melt surprisingly fast so turret dicking doesn't really work. Turret cheese gets countered by more cancerous cheese of other factions.
>>737741180>XCOMThis is such a no-brainer, but for some reason the best they could think of was Chaos gate:Daemonhunters which just has that mobile game quality and is just not as enticing.
>>737740531Yeah I'm happy with these results
>>737748287Not true, Slaanesh is supposed to be the most 'spoiled' of the princess with the highest amount of variance by virtue of also being the youngestSlaanesh just gets mostly sanitized content due to being 2controvertialIf we go by 'Dotalike' terminology then>Khorne is the early game brawler that is always relevant>Nurgle is the resource gathering support>Tzeentch is the play maker/mid/semicarry>Slaanesh is the flashy hard carry/late game scaling that is very sensitive early game>the Rat represents Rat Dota
>>737738653Easier way to play all the campaigns without having to go through the disc switching install process. The texture- and dynamic shadows make everything looks slightly better, metal surfaces and armors get a new shine effect that makes Necrons look really cool.Campaign balances are mixed towards Soulstorm balance although you still get infinite Ogryns and Chaos Obliterators in Winter Assault campaign. Soulstorm Normal now has the same AI health debuff as Dark Crusade. Also Vespids are now nerfed in both campaigns making Tau early game weaker.Overall its fine, but vanilla multiplayer hasn't changed all that much and is just as early game cheese heavy as always.
can you niggers post your top 3 too, I wanna see the funny correlationbecause this guy who is an unga bunga khornate >>737748580got Khorne with 90% more Khorne Khorne and more Khorne but the turbo slut here>>737747594had 50% slaanesh followed up by 44% Magnus the red a very funny disparity
>>737748589i thought the rat represents that one choas vtuber?
>>737748589>Slaanesh is the flashy hard carry/late game scaling that is very sensitive early gameGameplay- wise both Oldhammer and W40K Slaanesh (and Dark Eldar who are themed around Slaanesh) make Slaanesh as fast glass cannons. So Slaanesh is more of a hit-and-run warrior who put all the points in Crit and Dexterity. The very first notable champion/prince Slaanesh had with first Chaos Codex was Doomrider, a dude riding a motorbike.Its also why Slaanesh tends to be broken in its different video game iterations because mobility is king in most games out there. Move speed is a very powerful stat.
>>737748589Who's that Malice guy?
>>737740531>Iron HandsAight let's fucking go.
BROTHERS
>>737748287Slaanesh is about maximizing EVERYTHING, every moment, ergo perfectionism in min maxingA Slaanesh-Tzeentch hybrid would min-max knowledge and power, while a Slaanesh-Khorne hybrid would min-max >>737748892None of the games Slaanesh shows up in have 'power curves' or long-term progression systems though, a carry emphasizes the notion of needing 'support' so they can 'carry the team to victory' after they get stronger>fast glass cannonsMost hard carries are fast glass cannons, either starting out as ones and becoming tankier (through being supported and farming) and more damaging as the game goes on, or becoming really high-scaling damage dealers that can 1v5 or at the very least kill the enemy team with the right setup. The only difference is that a carry needs to 'reach' the 'SUPER POWERFUL' status later in the game, by being supported and farming with high efficiency and precision (like Slaanesh)So Slaanesh being a 'glass cannon' makes sense in games that don't focus on progression curves and power spikes. It's why Slaanesh emphasizes increasing amounts of excess on every dimension, while Khorne wants more skulls and blood he does not emphasize the concept of 'exponentially more blood' and 'always more blood/second than the last time'
>>737740531I got Tyranid WarriorI didn't even know that was a fucking optionBug dino aliens are cool I guess, and only 1% less and I would have gotten Salamanders. Not sure what that says about the charcoal pyromaniacs though
>>737740531well okay then
>>737749141>Yeah I do think we should revive the chaos gods so we have someone to fight for the next millenniaWas Dorn retarded?
>>737740559>WITNESS YOUR DOOOM>IT...WAS...FORETOLD
>>737749251he is me so yes
>>737748287The most terrifying part of Slaanesh is that everything that gives people an emotional response feeds him. If you take any joy in what you do, you're feeding him. If you're miserable, you're feeding him. If what you're doing makes you feel bores and you start daydreaming about fun things, you're feeding him.There are hard physical limits on all three other Gods, even Tzeentch, but Slaanesh's limit is simply the existence of sentience.
Anyone actually tried this and have thoughts on it? I have massive nostalgia for the original though I'm pretty certain that didn't age well.
>>737749251His autism is so strong that, even though he isn't a blank, his presence makes warp entities uncomfortable.So yes.
>>737749179>Slaanesh is about maximizing EVERYTHING, every moment, ergo perfectionism in min maxingNot really. If you look at the notable Slaanesh characters they're usually themed around one Deadly Sin at a time. Slaanesh champion dedicated to gluttony is very different to Slaanesh champion dedicated to pride.>>737749179>None of the games Slaanesh shows up in have 'power curves' or long-term progression systems though,Total Warhammer 3 does. And to no-one's surprise Slaanesh is broken OP in TW3 multiplayer. Same with Dark Eldar in DoW, the Reaver Jetbike spam still works like always.>Most hard carries are fast glass cannonsFalse, in MOBAs ADCs usually have some manner of self-sustain, Slaanesh lack that completely why they are the hit-and-run type of troops instead of "1v1 DPS race" troops. If the initial Slaanesh shock trooper assault didnt cripple or break the enemy instantly they usually lose in a prolonged fight.Thats why Slaanesh is not really the Carry, Slaanesh is more of a Jungler in MOBA terms.
>>737749443It's okay. Enemy roster is fairly disappointing since it's just Nurgle and Death Guard.
>>737749487>in MOBAs ADCs usually have some manner of self-sustainFalse and would be pointless since in MOBAs ADCs die to a competent assasin before they can react or the nanosecond they get CC'd in a teamfight
>>737748430true, but I can also get a turret down before you can even afford the building to build a Seraphim or a Reaver, so
>>737749443It's a good game. Surprisingly high production values too. It could have been about any other chapter and it would be better.
>>737749487>>False, in MOBAs ADCs usually have some manner of self-sustainIf that's the case than a Jungler is closer to a Hard Carry in Dota than the Bot ADC is (it wasn't like this a decade ago desu from what I've heard ADC in league is neutered).Hard Carry in Dota has priority for the jungle (and all creeps on the map belong to them) and is usually glued to creeps to maximize Damage.None of the Hard Carries in Dota outside Lifestealer rely on self-sustain, they all rely on mobility, massive amounts of DMG or AoE, and usually some way to force an enemy into a fight (mobility or long range CC if not straight up teleporting on top of an enemy to delete them)Usually not relying on long term cooldowns and instead having very specialized strengths and weaknesses (more specialized than any other role in the game) ergo it usually takes multiple enemies to take them out, and they are usually backed up by their supports.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afqdyEgbOPoSlaanesh seems to fit all of those, and going by the 'jungle diff meme' I'm assuming Jungle became LoLs "hard carry", not ADC.
>>737749487"Attack" "Damage" "Carry" has been a ceremonial role in League of Legends, to be played by a girl (male) and girl (female) with nothing else to do to create the illusion of a 5v5 game so that the other 3 roles have more """Champions""" to gank and kill. This is why Twisted Treeline was removed.
>>737739103Maybe it's different for mp with all the different build orders and counter nature of it all, but as a sp player the only fun ones to play anymore are Imperial guard. I've tried completing ork, csm, eldar, sob, eldar and they just bore me. SM have some fun shenanigans still with drop pods. I just feel that the other factions need more to spice them up I dunno. IG is so fun with attaching commisars and microing restoring moral with them, insane artillery with on demand buildin g destruction with earthshaker rounds. Able to get into buildings as bunkers, both defensive and in forward base situations. Vindicare assassin can actually take out heroes from afar outside of invis detection. There are those mods that add a million units, but I don't think tehy work in campagins and when I tried it it felt like jsut adding stuff for adding stuff without it having a gameplay function and was just too much. Would like to see something that adds just a few more options and well-made units to the factions to give them the same versatility as guard.
>>737738653Yeah because it's the same game with less fucked pathfinding and runs on modern systems without the engines janky issues.
>>737749640That just further proves Slaanesh is not the carry then. Slaanesh is the assassin that blows up the carry before it has the change to react.>>737749724Dark Eldar has self-building buildings and their vehicle building is cheap. Reaver Jetbikes are also T1 units on top of that. Thats why they're getting spammed. They're quick and cheap to get in the field and their low HP doesn't matter because their armor class is Vehicle. And most factions in the game lack good answers to vehicles in T1.>>737749790I think you just have the terms mixed up. ADC is the carry because hes the one who is a late game powerhouse that can 1v1 anything and kill objectives mostly by himself. Junglers role is that of a shock trooper where it flanks enemy from the rear to cripple him and make it much easier for the frontline to beat him.Kind of like Alexander The Greats simple tactic of having strong macedonian phalanxes in the front and then his personal cavalry is a wedge that strikes enemy frontline from the rear. The cavalry is not the "carry", ultimately its the phalanx that fully breaks the enemy army, the phalanx is the carry. The phalanx can win a fight without the help of cavalry but the cavalry can't win a fight without the phalanx.
>>737740531>>737748697Khornefag here, did the test again, picked the same answers on the few questions that repeated, now I got this shit instead
>>737749886IG is fun because it looks like the most generic army in the game but its playstyle is more of "Aggressive base expansion" than direct combat. If you try to have a fair fight with enemy main army in T1 with IG you always lose. At the same time its much easier for you to keep your army alive if you play defensive. So the way you push forward is harassing the enemy, capturing points while you build your bunker network across the map for quick travel and easy defence.Closest faction to IG playstyle is GLA in Generals, where Tunnel Networks also dominate the multiplayer if the early game goes unresolved.
>>737750090>That just further proves Slaanesh is not the carry then. Slaanesh is the assassin that blows up the carry before it has the change to react.That's what carries do in Dota, I think he's implying that Slaanesh 'looks' like an Assassin because that's the only thing he can be represented by. Slaanesh emphasizes excess and perfection and extremes while starting out 'small' and later. And carries in Dota DO do that, but they are very diverse, and almost all have mobility>ADC is the carry because hes the one who is a late game powerhouse that can 1v1 anything and kill objectives mostly by himselfCarries in Dota 1v5 not 1v1. Midders are the ones who focus on 1v1ing everyone except the carry (unless they catch him out of position or before his BKB)
>>737749886Orks are fun, you have a lot of really solid units that can function throughout the whole game and even the humble Ork Boy squad will be a problem in the late game when you build a bunch of troop buildings and just set it to auto build boys and send em forward. Then you have infiltrated Rokkit Boyz to snipe listening posts and generators before sneaking away, wartrak spam for artillery cheese. Eldar naturally have cheese related to their Webway portal shenanigans. Send a bonesinger to a random corner of the map, build a webway portal, maybe a vehicle production building next to it, and pump out Wraithlords to bully the enemy. Fleet of foot bullshit means you can outpace all but other Eldar and pick and choose where to take engagements.I both love and hate Eldar. They're cool and smug space elves, but they die fast if out of position.
>>737740531Fucking cunts
>>737749886Tau weapons look and sound a bit lame but they have a lot of fun units both SP and MP. Broadsides are the ultimate mobile defence unit, missile barrages are satisfying to pull off and Drone Harbingers will get you a lot of angry messages in team matches. Drone Harbingers are great in all the Faction Stronghold maps as well, once you get enough Power accumulation the Harbinger can both defend and push a secondary route all by itself while your main army is busy invading other end of the map. Thats because the bot is too stupid to chase the Harbinger itself and will endlessly fight the auto-spawning drones.
>>737740531Nice, I quite happy with my results
>>737750648
>>737750707>>737740531Cut the screenshot short
>>737729964>get dumpstered even by Tau vehicles>your flyer>relic unitsAnon what game do you think this was?
>>737750678>Broadside>Mobile defense unitThat fucking thing would lose in a foot race to Necron Warriors, you are required by law to have a Devilfish taxi it to location just to get to the fight before the match ends. It's damage is paradoxically high enough to be a threat, but so low in dps that it usually isn't an issue, more a nuisance. You can also shut it down rather easily with any jump melee unit as it won't fire if anything is in its minimum range. Tau don't have a T2 anti-tank. They have Stealth Suits until they get to T3.
>>737740531hell yeah
>>737750314I could probably have experimented more with those factions, those are for sure the ones that have most potential. I just really wish the eldar was more in line with my aesthetics, I find them really cool in DoW 2 with those tabards and veils and shit and wraithguards having those swords and big guns. There's just something incredibly unappeling with the Ronaldo stance guardians with their zero recoil weak pellet shooters and completely unadorned daft punk animated mv suits that I just really don't like. Replaying winter assault with the teleporting base mission did give me the idea to just really play them like the lore and abuse rangers and move all over the place and stuff, could be fun if mastered I bet. If I reinstall I'll give them a go again.>>737750678Tau used to be my favorite faction, the crisis suits and the broadsides are just amazingly cool and it's so easy to dominate with the long range fire warriors. I really miss turrets and entrenching when I play them though. It sounds really petty but they just lack something.
>>737750789Dawn of War, where Chaos has probably the worst line up of vehicles in the game. Chaos Rhino is just Imperial Rhino, but spikier. Their walker and artillery unit are one and the same, so you either use the Defiler as a (not so) cheap artillery piece or have it waddle its way forward to melee targets, but it's not as good at either job as other factions dedicated unit for both jobs. The Chaos Pred is restricted to Hbolters and an Autocannon that isn't useful against other vehicles unit T3 but you still lose to SM pred that CAN specialize in hunting vehicles or even mass war traks that are cheaper to mass and abuse. The Hell Talon was like a clear attempt to address the shitty Chaos vehicle roster, but that's like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
>>737750814>It's damage is paradoxically high enough to be a threat, but so low in dps that it usually isn't an issue, more a nuisanceDepends what faction you're playing. Two broadsides next to each other and 2 Sluggas/IGs every 2 seconds doesn't feel much at all. But they hurt a lot if you play anything with small squad sizes of chunky boys. SM and Necron Warriors melt at alarming rate.
>>737740531You'll never guess what faction I play
>>737750960DoW was released before Chaos veered more towards Daemon Engines. Original Chaos Codex vehicles were just Marine vehicles but spikier. Chaos Dreadnaughts had the chance to go berserk but thats about it.
>>737750648This image triggers me, when could a kriegsman possibly take down a csm with a shovel of all things. pure krieg cringe wank, even worse because it brings attention to the retarded no helm thing. I'm okay with them not having helmets as long as the story doesn't bring attention to the fact. In that case we can live in the assumption land of "Oh he maybe has a force field of some kind or maybe he has a helmet, this is just representation", but when you actually acknowledge it by having someone shoot them in the head and hit them it's like you made the potential retarded real retarded.
>>737740531I dunno anything about the lore outside of vidya, are these guys cool?
>>737751046Necrons
>>737751113>anon realizes 99% of the Imperiums victories are propaganda
>>737751113>When could a kriegsman take down a csm with a shovel of all things.With a very luck set of rolls. A +4 to hit, +5 to wound (because str 3 against T4) and banking on the CSM to fail a +3 save. You're looking at a .1089 chance for a Krieg trooper to kill a CSM. Highly improbable, but not impossible.
>>737729964They hated him because he told them the truth.I like the aesthetics and idea of the Chaos army more than its execution.
>>737751113Maybe the dude jammed that shovel in that head when the CSM was already laying on the ground and helpless.
>>737740531i'm giving myself my own results, i'm the grey knights, because i'm far too based to read this retarded translated shite.
>>737751113I think its possibly only when cm would underestimated shovel
>>737740531Guess I'm a sick fuck then, huh, I was sure I was on track to get Ad-Mech or similar outcome.
>>737751117Do you like defensive tactics, lego, fortifications, autism, and self-loathing?
>>737732431no I played redux, less shit to download and it's more refined, this might as well be the base game.
>>737751072You ever play Warhammer 40k: Gladius? Chaos there heavily lean into their vehicles there and have a lot of solid options there, but their infantry by comparison are kind of bad. Cultists pull double duty as your city builder and T1 melee unit, but is low on health and high on model count, so it loses damage quickly and easily. The basic CSM squad isn't much better, and their Havoc squads can deal respectable damage but at only 3 models a unit, you lose so much damage if they take any kind of return fire at all. Oddly, Chaos Spawn can be great early-mid game tanks but you're hoping someone turns into a spawn if the a boon roll goes badly, and that's not a great strategy. My only gripe with Gladius is that if you don't install a mod to give the units some call outs, the game is way too silent.
>>737751371Did you get Magnus the Red or something Tzeentch adolescent in your top3
>>737750960>>737750789Chaosniggers were never meant to be on par with the Imperium, the moment they went traitor they lost logistics and the Dark Mechanicum could not rebuild what they had on Mars and have zero access to raw materials that your average Forge World coomsoomsThat's why traitor CSMs raid Imperial worlds for slaves, ammunition, parts, vehicles and other stuffThe only reason they're still around is because of Gays Workshop; the Scouring and the numerous Black Crusades should have thinned out their ranks bigly that outside of maybe the Iron Warriors, Death Guard and Word Bearers most traitor legions would have been folded under Abbafail or would remain as Eye of Terror bandits that are simply a nuisance while the Imperium deals with the Necrons, Tyranids and Ork invasionsThe Emperor's Children got decimated by the Imperial Fists, the Thousand Sons got wiped by the Space Wolves, the World Eaters had the highest casualty rates since even before Angron turned traitor half of them already resisted the butcher's nails and when he turned traitor the other half fought against him and lost, the Night Lords got rekt by the Dark Angels while the SoH/Black Legion took the brunt of the entire loyalist legions during and post-Heresy
>>737729964>Best rush cheese faction because builder can build 2x fast>Best elite melee units in the game.>Two big T4 units.>Entire basic army goes invisible.Chaos feels really lackluster T2 but come on now.
>>737751117>are these guys cool?No. They're Captain Autism.
>>737751457>The only reason they're still around is because of Gays Workshop; the Scouring and the numerous Black Crusades should have thinned out their ranksChaos is their best-selling faction by far, thats why GM will never get rid of them.
>>737751457And a Space Marine chapter is meant to be 1000 dudes, while the average imperium world can hois 3500000000000000 Imperial Guardsmen (and still lose)No one ever noticed that the problem with this is that you can just use alternate methods (ergo they dont happen in setting) like... destroy a Space Marines ship in space would cripple an entire chapter
>>737751424No just Generic Champ, Generic Champ & Alpharius.
>>737751223I want them to feel like tactical spacemarines with some supplementary demonic and corrupted stuff. When they're represented as just completely insane at every turn and there's hellfire and ugly-looking weird units everywhere and everything are grand proclamationsa bout chaos everything tends to melee I just tune out. I know that like half the chaos chapters act like this, I just don't like it. Then again the lore has probably always been more subtle than the tabletop where csm and chaos are just bonkers, so I guess it's more accurate to that. I could just picture a campaign about bantering nightlords who talk shit about demons half the time and it would be cool. I know I'm in the minority though. I'm just really fucking tired of seeing those stupid looking chaos lords in their terminator armor with their little head peaking out of their hunched pose and power claw who all look the same and have zero personality an just talk about how chaos is awesome. Based Eliphas gets a pass for looking cool and having an amazing voice, but all the DoW 2 villains, The Space marine 1 villain, just ass.
>>737751562Back in 3rd-4th edition, the Ultramarines saw it as an existential crisis when their entire 1st company was destroyed by the Tyranids, along with brutalizing many of their line companies. Aside from the Blood Angels and the Lamenters (who are funnily enough a Blood Angels successor) Space Marine Chapters are rarely mentioned as having being nearly destroyed after a major conflict or battle. The BA famously got nearly wiped out sending their whole Chapter in to clear a space hulk and came out with just 20(?) Marines afterwards.
>>737740531Heh
>>737751337the true chaos way is to just randomly answer the untranslated chink runes that speak to you and surely you'll end up with one of the four
>>737740531>iron handsnice, they're my favorite chapter I wasn't even trying to get them
>>737751374>Do you like defensive tactics, lego, fortifications, autismYes>and self-loathing?Naw I don't go for that catholicism thing>>737751524Aren't all spehss mahreens autismal
>>737749443I loved it and I don't even like X com
>>737740531A steady hand, analytical mind and a will of iron. That's how things are truly solved.
>>737751721The cool stuff about Chaos is in the details that can never be represented in primitive gamesfor example, their mutations are specific to their psyche and conquests, representing their drive and nature towards Demon Princedom as well as the stability of their person.The cool high tech armor is itself a psychic mix of biology, machine and spirit and the interplay of it all is meant to make them feel dynamic
>>737751721>I want them to feel like tactical spacemarines with some supplementary demonic and corrupted stuff. When they're represented as just completely insane at every turn and there's hellfire and ugly-looking weird units everywhere and everything are grand proclamationsa bout chaos everything tends to melee I just tune out. I know that like half the chaos chapters act like this, I just don't like it.DoW 2 units are skewed more towards Nurgle so you get your tactical tarballs in that game.https://youtu.be/Htiz_g2L7vQ?si=U6JyaOM8h4PTCR3g
>>737751943>analytical mindSounds kinda heretical to me
>>737729063The faction leader banter in the campaign of Dark Crusade was peak.
>>737729063was he a schizo?
>>737751804the chaos way is to know chinese
>>737752080>I fight for the Greater Good>The "Greater Good" is coming to you from my boltgun, alienHe ain't called Davian Cool for no reason.
>>737752003Blind Faith has lead you where? You claim to honor the Emperor yet you ignore his lessons. Back to your corrupt faith, there's always more work to be done for those who know how to do it.
>>737752119Nah, he was just an eccentric high IQ individual like Ted
>>737752173
>>737752318>Have surprisingly interesting and oddly prescient opinions on modernity>Also be incredibly spiteful and evil on a personal level that he routinely tried to send bombs to coworkers and neighbors>Was also subject to CIA trials into truth serums and interrogation techniquesThe man was quite the character.
>>737751113Warhammer has never been about logic. It's always pathos that triumphs over everything.
>>737752486>doesnt know protestantism literally started because the people who interpreted the CFs meaning were lying and mistranslating and 'ooopsy doopsy fucky wuckyd' the meaning of the biblelike, its not the 1200s, we know the popes were lying out their asses about this and that they encrypted their lies in fancy language because they didnt know theyd be figured out hundreds of years later
>>737752486>pope blesses a block of ice>pope blesses pagan fertility statue>pope says you must let rapists and other pagans rape your women and childrenI also trust the church fathersbut I'm not catholicbecause the current catholic church is gayChrist is Kingnow seethe ;)
>>737752697Protestants still use the Constantine/ St. Augustine Bible the same as Catholics. Protestants became a thing because of Vatican adding up extra rules on top and being a hive of decadence on top.
>>737751202>propagandaCadia is the only major campaign the Imperium has ever lost, and that was because Abaddon got mad and flipped the entire table when he realized he was about to lose ANOTHER Black Crusade.
>>737752697protestants now are just leftoids first, christians last. they don't count at all.
>>737751721As "mainstream" as 40k has gotten, it's still a problem of having most major releases needing to cover the most popular parts of the universe for new players. Especially so for rts that always feel the need to fill out the major factions, meaning that every time you make a new game you have to just put the bulk of the content in stuff that just needs to be there, and then there's little over for more specific factions. Ironically the spam DLC strat that Creative assembly has means that it can work in favor of 40k in the long run, maybe we'll actually get individual chapter and traitor legion dlcs with actual unique mechanics and units eventually when the game's been out for a while. And owlcat is able to zero in on specific subfactions and their quirks, as did that mechanicus game. So we're getting there.
>>737752697You sure it wasn't also that before if you wanted to even read the Bible you had to be able to read Latin? Because before the invention of the printing press, you were considered a learned individual if you could speak and read in Latin, which coincidentally was a kind of lingua Franca in Europe because of the bible being written nigh exclusively in one language. Cue the rise of various "contraband" bibles being written in English, French, German etc. etc. and now everybody can read it without having to learn a dead language, and now suddenly every bible has some variations as each translation makes adjustments based on the language and who is funding the production of these bibles. Couple hundred years later and now you've got hundreds of fucking protestant sub cults making shit up based on their particular reading of the bible or the Mormons literally just making shit up.
>>737752697Pretty sure the 95 theses were mostly about indulgences and amassing worldly wealth, but I'm no theologian
>>737751832You STILL haven't sold that GME yet. Very based.
Sorry for the derail friendos. I'm not even religious, I just like posting memes
>>737752853The OG Book was written in H*brew and Greek, not LatinIn part one of the major revolutions in Europe was people translating things from Greek to Latin and other European languages (in part leading to science and protestantism) because western Europe was wayyy more post-apocalyptic than Eastern Europe at the time
>GATHER THE DARKNESS THAT OUR WARLOCK MAY STRIKE FROM THE SHADOWS
>>737751113It's a meme about Kriegers willingness to throw themselves into a blender because they are in a death cult, combined with the traditional shovel meme. The Invincible template is just an avenue to further convey the absurdity, not about a Krieger actually overpowering and killing the CSM with a trench shovel.
>>737752943The Greek variant presumably because of Constantine bringing various Christian groups together at the council of Nicaea to hammer out an "official" bible for all Christians decree what was and wasn't canonical?
Reminder that the Emperor was an Atheist who burned the Notre Dame
Reminder that early Christian priests were basically NEETs who had to discuss a book all day because vidya wasn't invented yet, and almost killed each other while discussing whether Christ was of the same substance as God or not
>>737753027anon... that was before the split between Orthodox and Catholics
>>737751113In the Siege of Vraks series, when the Kriegers finally get reinforcements after a year without AA guns or Navy support being drop podded and hunted for over a year by Khornate berserkers, being butchered for sport. When they launched their counter offensive the Khornate groups opened the gates to counter attack them, but the Kriegers had enough and took out the berserkers in melee by swarming them, jamming their chainblades with bones and blood, eventually they managed to trip the berserkers onto the ground and they kicked, shoveled, bayonetted and suicide grenaded them to death and the World Eaters had to retreat in panic.
>>737751457>Word BearersWhat are the WB's up too these days? I love those niggas like you couldn't imagine. Is Lorgar still chilling in his gooncave somewhere in the eye or is he actually doing things again?
>>737740531Based, Ferrus Manus was a good bloke.
I SHOULD INVENT A MACHINE THAT MAKES WALKIN FASTA
>>737752851I really hope TW:40k is going ti be good but I lost faith when I seen its just a ported console game.
Are the AdMechs really constantly "researching" chaos artifacts like they do in Space Marine 2?
>>737729964They patched chaos marine weapons out specifically because of me dominating multiplayer with invisible rocket marines for an entire month. Your average predditor is too fucking stupid to use infiltration detection and complained about it very loudly on the forums and preddit.
>>737753401DEY KAWL ME "STOMPY"!!!
>>737753401Segways
dow4 will be good, trust the plan
>>737753492>Tin can on legs.>Somehow manages to be tankier than Dreadnought.Go figure.
>>737753287It's rumored Lorgar is gonna get a model after Perturabo following this IW release.Lorewise Lorgar is spotted out in realspace, leading his forces for some unknown goals... he's back!
>>737753401Where’z da trukk? WHY’Z I WALKIN?!
I keep getting Death Korps of Krieg and I'm wondering when my personal philosiphy became so fatalist.
I member when DoW first came out and all 4 of the chans were khaaaaoz poostin... the good old days.
>>737751113>when could a kriegsman possibly take down a csm with a shovel of all things.Shovel blessed by the emperor's will, guided with purpose and hatred.
>>737753665I miss the style of twenty year old memes
>>737753684>Primordial Nature Warp is... le bad>Capri-Sun Bureaucracy Warp is... le good
>>737753593>he's back!No Way! Finally. Holy shit, this is excellent news :D thanks, mang!
>>737753751Me too, man. Meee tooo. Fuck, we're all old and shit now.>B-billy, is that you? How do I get this robut to send my letter to this screen?>I dont see an "Any Key" to press.
>>737753758Yes.
>>737753541Still wondering what the catch will be this time
>>737752956Eldar are so fucking gay
>>737754079Made by the same guys who did Iron Harvest, and they failed to catch the magic that made CoH what it was. Some things are simply a product of their times and specific people in that time frame.
>>737754079Pic related and the sheboon girlboss trailer killed the hype very quickly. Heres hoping the actual game is good.
>>737754249that's from the total war stream, not dawn of warI swear, these two being showcased next to each other will cause endless confusion
>>737754421>that's from the total war stream, not dawn of warNope, thats the DoW4 one. Look at the chat.
>>737740531I can take a beating, so I guess it's true.
>>737751113Historically, knights would often fight with their visors open and tank commanders would fight with their hatch unbuttoned and their heads sticking out in the middle or a battle. This is because the visibility advantage outweighed the protection offered. So there is some historical precedent for something like this. If we assume an immortal warrior, then it's feasible he would value awareness over protection, as his training would allow awareness to be a form of protection; "offense is the best defense". Being brained by a shovel would be more like a case of hubris, failing to respect the laughable threat, and then succumbing to it.
Here's a fun tidbit of 40k lore most of you guys don't know>The Emperor is modeled after monotheist/kathenotheist Sun Gods (who often believe in the notion of laws, very specific notions of dogma, rule and a much less flexible view of immortality)>the Chaos Gods represent polytheism and primordial nature, and their associated concepts are much closer to classical polytheist notions of immortality, night and "expression" (just replace the Greeks portrayal of Rape with Chaos)>one common theme in them is the idea of 'proselytizing' and 'crusading', including the notion of the Sun God ruling the world against normal notions of nature. "Human sacrifice" and "justifying-its-own-eternity" are also motifs>This motif is paired with the Egyptian notion of the polytheist dual Gods of the Sun (Ra) (who represents the idea of ruling 'everything') and Moon (Horus) (who is concerned with the invisible)>Horus represents the Moon and regeneration as well as flexibility and variety (ie individuality/particularity, anti-dogmatic notions, liminal truths and worlds, fluidity etc) while the Sun is supposed to be in the underworld during Night>The Emperor is essentially a polytheist Solar deity trying to become a Monotheist Solar Deity, who is preventing 'Night' and essentially forcing humanity into one unending day without sleep or rest (ergo why hes literally a near dead body kept alive by Human Sacrifice), while keeping Horus/the Moon in the underworld, which is why the Imperium is so decadent and so ok with sacrificing humans non stop for the bigger picture>30k->40k was essentially European/Mediterranean religious history in reverse
>>737754249I seen that and tried to wipe the trailer from my memory. Nothing says "Dog Shit" quite like an unaugmented black woman lecturing the (EVIL!!!) white male Magos on the omnissiahs will as she succesfully fights off 50 necron with a stick. DoW 3.5 is going to be so fucking bad it hurts.
>>737749443It's a decent enough game, but the DLC breaks its balance completely and it is not worth getting.
>>737754775
>>737740531looks like im some kind of schizo
>>737754858>I am Alpharius>And so are youOh my god...
>>737754858Oops! Posted wrong picture. I meant to post this one because I love Khorne so much.
>>737755013Lol
>>737740531r8
>>737755102Good morning, Dante.
>>737755102Very ininteresting, do you have a speech impediment by any chance? Or bouts of kleptomania?
>>737755179neither but i can move my cock to the other side with a thought>>737755173buongiorni
>>737752853Catholics love to throw all the crackpot American restorationist denominations and the straight up cults in with Protestants.
>>737755431Well yeah, they don't follow the pope so they're protestant
>>737755463The Orthodox Church is Protestant?
>>737754775Also >Chaos are the trickster space polytheist Gods of Primordial Psychic-Nature>the 'tricked' the Atheist Emperor of Homo-Sapienkind into becoming a God against his own will, with an explicitly 'unstable, fragile power' that could lead to a transformative onset>everything about the Man Emperor is implying that this is a transformational-play in which he is being increasingly pressured by Chaos to partake in God-play, possibly implying that this ritual is how Chaos Gods create Gods out of some kind of Loosh Farm (google it)>because the Sun deity domain is 'purity' but a lot of it relies on dogma/propaganda, and because there's no Moon phase as Horus is an enemy embodying Chaos, and the Sun never descends into the underworld, the Sun is doomed to 'fracture', as the more demanding the purity is, the more important the foundation of said purity is, which cannot be fixed with a Sun that doesn't set/endless dogma and propaganda (ergo why even the purest Sororitas have such limited worldviews and knowledge of who or what the Emperor is, just to barely make it work)>with the goal that all of the suffering of the Imperium will eventually lead to "Night", possibly with Horus ascending to Godhood for some kind of cyclical dynamic shattering the static dogma of the ImperiumOne never asks why the Chaos Gods have "Daemons" from the warp but not "Daemon princes from an alternate universe">>737754837yes, though you need knowledge of comparative mythology and their individual roles per religion to understand how they got there. start by googling about the history of Monotheism, Atenism (Ra-s Sun Disk which sought to wipe out polytheism in Egypt and only lasted 1 generation) and HorusAlso The Elder Scrolls follows a similar pattern with the Aedra vs Daedra
>>737755509Never heard of them
>>737755515>yes, though you need knowledge of comparative mythology and their individual roles per religion to understand how they got there. start by googling about the history of Monotheism, Atenism (Ra-s Sun Disk which sought to wipe out polytheism in Egypt and only lasted 1 generation) and HorusNo, I mean is this just you seeing things and noticing patterns or do you have actual proof of 40k writers basing their shit on this.
>>737755551They're literally the OGs the Catholics split away from so they can claim the people in Rome gets to decide everything in a power grab.
>>737755642Sure thing champ
>>737745993Wasn't there a FPS taking place on Necromunda that came out a while back?
>>737755625>proof of 40k writers basing their shit on this.Proof from the 40k writers directly? See >>737729063The GW writers never explicitly said anything ever, because GW made the original writers ultra tight-lipped to avoid giving anything away.Proof from comparative mythological study? Yes, the 40k characters do perfectly match the historic archetypes I mentioned. Which is why I cited starting with reading about Atenism if you're interested.It's not just that the 40k-history comparison fits perfectly, its also that there are no secondary details that contradict that this was the 'plan' for the setting at some important point or other. If you've ever partaken in writing analysis as well as archetypal analysis, you'd see the same motif a dozen times by now.Plus, the setting literally names and paints (heh) the characters by their historic inspirations. See Lion El Johnson.
>>737755875Necromunda: Hired Gun. Made by the guys who made EYE but it's more of a movement shooter. I liked it a lot
>>7377466654>>737746858>Space Woofs are more hedonistic then a champion of the god of hedonism
>>737740531I guess this makes me a rather indecisive faggot.
>>737755642The orthodox leaders are just putins bitch oligarchs in a gay dress.All of you are heretics who make up shit and worship old men who diddle kids instead of just reading the bible and repenting.
>>737755642Those are some poor mental gymnastics.
>>737755878>See Lion El Johnson.Wasn't that guy named after a gay bar or something?
>>737746965You ruined everything for us.
>>737740531am i edgy or just schizo?
>>737755625bro google the names its very obvious if you dore-read the story of the Empra/Whorus with that knowledge in mind and all the details will pop out as very obvious parallels
>>737751117Rogal Dorn literally told Khorne he didn't exist to his very face after an eon of focused, personal effort into trying to corrupt him, and annoyed Khorne by lecturing him about 40,000 years of humanity's history of warfare and the ethics of war. You are most like the autismo supreme.
>>737740531Vindicare are hero killer units.It would have fit very well for the IG to have a limited amount of ratling sniper squads with low damage and limited stealth. Mostly a harasser unit than a proper stealth sniper unit.
>>737751375does it have thousand sons
>>737755960anon we're talking about history from literally 2000 years ago, no one cares about Twittertianity nowadays except those who practice an unarmed modern Japanese martial art, the most prominent form of Samurai throws and self-defense competed internationally, created in 1882 by Kanō Jigorō as an eclectic martial art, distinguishing itself from its predecessors due to an emphasis on "randori" instead of kata alongside its removal of striking and weapon training elements..
>>737751117If the blue ones are not vanilla and generic enough for you, you pick the yellow ones.
>>737755995Then why did Rome, suddenly, decide to secede from the Pentarchy and make its own Christianity?What did they even think they needed to be an authority on that was so important, unless they thought everyone else was wrong or corrupt, or needed others to be subservient
>>737740531>Huge chaos fag>Friend plays blood raven successor chapter and always kicks my ass on the tabletopBy the dark gods what have I done to deserve this?
>>737756368There are nonbelievers in this universe? The Chaos Gods literally send legions at the good guys but they don't believe they exist?
>>737756475>The Chaos Gods literally send legions at the good guysThe Chaos Gods very rarely clash with the Necrons
>>737756475Not exactly non-believers. The big four obviously "exist", the atheism is more along the lines of acknowledging that they're not gods, just psychic reflections of sapient life. Gods usually create their followers, not the other way around.
>>737756475>The Chaos Gods literally send legions at the Orks but they don't believe they exist?Someone doesn't get Orks
>>737756475Probably some characters figured out that the gods are just like a collective psychic conglomerate
>>737752001I really liked retribution for what it was. IG commander being a big game hunter british gentleman was kino, regular sergeant being your top man. Was cool. Chaos more flavorful as you said. They tried to move a bit more towards some basebuilding.
>>737756453Come on, man. No one believes you believe in the shit you're spewing. Though if you actually do, I'll just call you retarded and leave it at that.
Which one is more fun? Night Lords of Alpha Legion? Looks like i'm a glownigger
>>737753408didn't know that, that's definitely bad.I hope they spend some time to make the pc version custom with ui, formation controls and what not.
>>737756475What did the Emprah tell you? There are NO G*d'sNot a one.
>>737754421Do you not see Dawn of War 4 on that fatfuck's t-shirt?
>>737756583Not really, the Chaos Gods are implied to be 'persons' who simply control or manifest through the collective, who are tied to the primordial nature of the universe (the term "Primordial" is used often, and in both 40k and Fantasy Chaos are basically "nature that got legs and decided to stop humans/elves from fucking around to find out") while also participating in some Cosmic 'farming' scheme where they are actively orchestrating apotheosis.In essence they represents super-Buddhist large scale of existence and the method by which they are depicted as participating in the universe fits Buddhist and Hindu ideas more than it does, say Kabbalah.So the people who think Chaos is just 'a force' are actually the ones most likely to be wrong - in reality, this criticism applies to the Man Emperor of Mankind more than it does to Chaos, because the Emperor literally is a bunch of Greek psykers duct taped together
>>737756453Because they were arrogant shits. That doesn’t change the fact that through apostolic succession the bishop of Rome is holding the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and while you can debate how much authority that gives you (even though the Bible clearly states that Saint Peter was not beyond reproach) that doesn’t mean running off and making your own church was the right thing to do. Anyway, papal supremacy and filioque are two things that the Catholic Church needs to bend over and apologize for. At best to the pope is first among equals, and even though I think filioque is theologically correct they did not have the authority to unilaterally change the creed.
>>737756784Same. I really, really hope its not some watered down piece of shit. I have a sneaking suspicion it will be specifically because ive always wanted a TW:40k and God hates me
>>737756874>implied to be 'persons' who simply control or manifest through the collectiveNo.
>>737753268I want to get behind their "doesn't afraid of anything!" but it just comes off as a bit tryhard. If people who actually want to live did that it'd be more inspiring, since the actions themselves are cool. Like the idea of Tallarn holding off the iron warriors is badass to me. Maybe I'm just becoming a fag these days.
>>737756874That's WHFB's cosmology. 40k's is that sapient thought made the chaos gods retroactively, this is outright and repeatedly stated to have been the case for all of the four, and confirmed over and over again with extensive lore regarding the birth of Slaanesh.>they're the same g-WHFB and 40k do NOT crossover apart from fun little easter eggs of questionable canonicity.
>>737753463what is the source of this animation, it's a classic but I never knew who graced us with it.
>>737740531So this says I am a plague bearer but could second be a fucking yellow wall. Makes some sense, I guess.
>>737756402You project your larping as you admit you live 2000 years in the past like mudsllimes do.It doesn't wash away the shame of being a heretical man made organization worshipper.
>FOR EVERY ONE OF US THAT FALLS, TEN MORE WILL TAKE HIS PLACE
>>737753463Invisible chaos marines is such a weird choice..was this because they were alpha legion in the first game? Another weird choice mind you.
>>737756475>nothing ever happens>it's all a psyop
>>737755102Oh fuck. Hold on your stuff and throw everything into lock and key.
>>737757042Anon that's just the Imperial TruthThe notion that Chaos Gods are persons stems from the very obvious fact that despite being "Chaos" (which itself is supposed to be skewed by the polarization in the settings, they'd actually be referred to as Primordials) the Gods have very clear and distinct plans they embody and a metaphysically implied notion of distinction and participation in regards to how much they MANIFEST. The theme of needing more 'influence' to MANIFEST the individual (in general through the collective) more is all encompassing, which implies individuality not just the illusion of individuality (Slaan being a literal person).Not to mention, the whole theme of Imperium vs Chaos is that the Imperium does not care for the individual, only the goal, while Chaos is more personal, more individual, more for those scorned by the dogma that would ignore the specifics of each situation.The birth of Slaanesh is the birth of Slaanesh into the 40k 'galaxy', not the setting itself.Not to mention that all the things implying otherwise come from the 'we make propaganda to stop the spread of Chaos' factionsThey are, for all intents and purposes of the setting, Cosmic Vampires who are treating Warhammer (40k or Fantasy) as a toy
>>737757349>IT'S TOTALLY A CROSSOVER DUDE LMAOOh fuck off already with this shit. Your entire schizo theory is predicated on a single word that more generally means Very Old.
>>737740531At least I look cool.
>>737753287>>737753776If Lorgar stopped being manipulated by other people around him he would be more based, he needs to develop where he's the top dog and owns kor phaeron and erebus. (maybe he does later on I only got through Betrayer). Him talking to Magnus and decimiating the ultramarine worlds was great though.
>>737757042>>they're the same g->WHFB and 40k do NOT crossover apart from fun little easter eggs of questionable canonicity.Yeah, easter eggs like Slaanesh, Khorne, Tzeentzzuzcyczzycxyzh and Nurgle who simply occupy the same religious, spiritual and metaphysical role in the setting
>>737757493What no its notI dont even have a clue what youre trying to say nigg
>>737730510WHY AREN'T WE KILLING YET WHERE IS THE BLOOD I WAS PROMISEDBLOOD I ACHE FOR THE TASTE OF BLOOD
>>73775753540k steals from a whole bunch of shit IPs, why the fuck wouldn't they steal from their own?
>>737739416GIWTWM
>>737749886IG feels like hunkering down in your bunker until TELL THE MEN THE CAVALRY HAS ARRIVED
>>737757617Do khornies drink the blood too?
>>737739416Lucius the Eternal (jobber) seems to fit the bill.
>>737748935The Chaos god of rebellion against chaos
>>737740531Based
>>737757493>CROSSOVERWhatChaos Gods are and always were implied to be Space-Invaders from a 'higher grade of matter/being' descending into the Grim Darkness of the Far Future to fuck around with all the notions specified there being true, such as Summoning, Ascending to Godhood/Daemonhood, their association with Primordial Nature of the setting (as opposed to the Imperium that infects every aspect of the warp by turning all the planets into either New York or a giant Corn Syrup Farm).Slaanesh's orgy was an 'accidental' resonance that allowed the Summoning of Slaanesh into the Galaxy. Writers simply emphasize different aspects in different ways, but if Slaanesh was a God Emperor situation (an ACTUAL collective of individuals larping a single person), then Slaanesh would not be devouring Eldar souls in the first place.And before you ask, >where does the implication that Chaos Gods are individual, but the God Emperor is a collective come from?The Greek and Roman Gods.Sol Invictus was originally a Roman Monotheist God. Eventually he became a God embodying 'the many Gods collectively are actually just Sol Invictus together'. Its literally all over the Emperors design. This eventually turned into and merged with Christianity and Jesus.The Chaos Gods deliberately parallel and edgier version of the pre-Sol Invictus version of Roman Gods, before they were equated as being different aspects of one person. The Emperor = Sol InvictusThe Chaos Gods = Polytheism before Sol Invictussee >>737754775Its why Chaos is associated with individuality and the Imperium with collectivism and higher causes (and before you ask, the population of a single Imperial hive world is x10000000 of all of Chaos aligned humanity)
>>737740531I don't know enough about Lion and Pert but are they even similar to Abaddon in regards to character traits?
>>737749141Brother.
>>737757623because theyd be retarded writers if they wrote the Chaos Gods in such a retarded way (especially since the true nature and plan of the Gods is meant to be the settings biggest mystery) and had them appear in multiple settings as just an easter egg, just because they were lazy. When in reality, the central lore is very well crafted.And before you ask, 40ks copying of DUNE is much more superficial than most people claim, its essentially an aesthetic copy of its elements not a thematic one.
>>737757234>>737757840>IG feels like hunkering down in your bunker until TELL THE MEN THE CAVALRY HAS ARRIVEDFor sure. It's just really well made and why base building adds so much to this faction in particular, it really feels like you're answering the call as their theme is blasting and you're getting industry going and fielding massive armies with this momentum and then eventually pushing their base with your big tanks after a million guardsmen have died and reinforced in this nice narrative arc each game. https://youtu.be/mhqWHIq-aZw?si=5muYF-RSM28-Dxik
>>737757905I'LL DRINK THE BLOOD FROM THEIR HEARTSSO MUCH BLOODTOO MUCH TO DRINK
>>737758026Well, Peter Turbo is a failure that's constantly asshurt about how much of a failure he is, and the Lion and his Dark Angels are gay, so yeah, they're basically all the same thing.
>>737758135It feels grand and epic even if the armies and bases are quite small compared to most other rts, it sells the illusion though.
>>737740531why did the chinese make this? do they like warhammer?
>>737739103>bizarrely designed around first contact and taking zero damage>bizarrely require self-killing to pump out arguably the highest DPS in the gamebizarre honestly
>>737758287I'll give you three guesses what part of 40k appeals to them
>>737758369Tyranids?
>THIS QUIET OFFENDS SLAANESH>THINGS WILL GET LOUD NOW
>>737758358the grenade launchers feel kind of dumb and them having such insane range is probably not reasonable, but it does feel like you're overwhelming the enemy. In order to balance it out while still making them fragile you'd probably have to double thier squad numbers, which wouldn't be feasible for the game.
>>737758418No, they're imperialfags. They always go for the pro-human factions.
>>737758441is this mod playable in campaigns or only skirmish?
>>737758514>虫国人>imperialfagsOdd.
i got one of the most popular chapters, shame
>>737758619Is it really so surprising given their pretty open hegemonic goals? Even in the west where jewish influence is rampant, most men still dream of imperial rome. Mankind yearns for empire ruled by an enlightened, immortal god-king. It's an idea that men in all cultures keep coming back to in some form or another.
>>737740531Ave Dominus CocksI am cumming in you
>>737740531>ChineseNot touching that shit with a long pole.
>>737749443Its pretty great, though I do wish there were more different kinds of enemies. DLC expands things a bit and yo can even call in an execution force, a venerable GK dreadnought etc
>>737740531Hell yeah.
>>737740531I can't believe my Primarch is fucking dead :(It was also a dead equal 55% on IH, Peter Turbo and John Ironhands himself, weird
>>737740531That order value seems way too fucking high to match this result.
Reminder that canon daemon prince Peter Turbo is really just a very large man with as many guns mounted on his armor as possible
>when you're meticulously plotting for 10,000 years and chill and then the Devastator squad drops on your location
>>737759778THIS FAGGOT DOES FENTANYLGEORGE FLOYD ASS NIGGA
>>737759794I'm still mad he fell to chaos. Would have been so much cooler if he refused both the empire and chaos.
>>737759794>Use a gun, and if that don't work, use more gun to stop big mean mother hubbards from tearing you a structurally superfluous new beehive.>>737759909There's a 5th Chaos God now (no, it's not Malal) so the only reason he fell is because this new god also has machine autism.
>>737759909He's only sorta chaos. He's chaos undivided, so only all of them together can command him to do anything, and that shit doesn't happen for anyone but Big E.
>>737759997>There's a 5th Chaos God now (no, it's not Malal) so the only reason he fell is because this new god also has machine autism.He's not a chaos god yet, just a minor god of technology in the warp.
>>737759997>There's a 5th Chaos God nowWhen the fuck did this happen? Or are they just expanding on the whole Dark Mechanicus thing by giving them an actual patron god?
>>737760061He's talking about Vashtorr and he isn't a chaos god, just a minor god. He's trying to become a chaos god
I LOVE 9TH EDITION>I LOVE 9TH EDITION
I pick Slaanesh, because I want to do both magic and melee without being a nerd or a rotten piece of shit.
>>737760450ywnbaw
>>737760450>So addicted to degeneracy you will abandon the battle to go have anal sex and do drugsI guess Slaneesh is the modern man's choice.
>>737760450This is just bugchasing in another form
>>737760450According to Space Hulk Deathwing, Librarians or whatever they are called do magic and melee
>>737760617Psyker powers and sorcery are different things in the setting. Sorcery is when you do warp stuff by making deals with daemons.
>>737759641What I love most about the Iron Hands is that they have iron hands and their leader is a man named Iron Hands (in latin).
>>737729063https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM76LtznNrc
>I like to do magicThere is no actual magic in 10th ed because they got rid of the psychic phase and all psychic powers were changed to shooting weapons, so now instead of shooting with a gun you shoot but the flavor text says it's not a gunOne of the many reasons why current 40k is trash
>>737759794Maximalist augments are the best.
>>737760215imagine Hashut-chan’s bush
>>737759641DO NOT FAP
Everyone, say something nice to Pertuarbo here.Or else.
>>737740531>got imperial fistsAm I autistic
>>737738094Chaos was BROKEN in WA. The moment you researched Chaos Energies was the moment Chaos Predators suddenly murdered everything that isn't a late or relic tier unit due to their AP skyrocketing to cosmic levels.
>>737761192MORE GUNS
>>737761232Indubitably.
>>737761192Can he do something special or is he just a robot with lots of guns?
>>737761326He can make cardinal directions disappear
>>737757110Dunno honestly.>>737757245I don't remember but it probably was alpha legion. The tactic was sniping your opponents HQ with them while their deathball is tangled up with your defiler and obliterator phalanx. Both units were multipurpose and that was the real reason chaos was OP if there was any but THQ was retarded and listened to whiners who think they shouldn't be severely punished for tunnelvisioning.
Eldar are the reason I play Destroy HQ instead of Annihilation.
What the fuck is the Alpha legion up to these days anyways? Are they hanging out at the eye of terror with their homo brothers?
>>737761580Now they're secret loyalists who kill loyalists
>>737761192His face kind of looks like that guy from Splatterhouse
>>737761580A man could go mad trying to figure out what the alpha legion is doing. The answer is that they're a billion different warbands with different goals, from actually just having fallen to chaos all the way to repentant loyalists. A figurative hydra at this point.
Does the legion of the damned still exist?
>>737762132Yes, but they explained a bit more about them so they're less badass.
can I get some tips for playing space marines in soulstorm? lose hard in MP, and really struggle vs certain factions with insane difficulty. it really feels like one mistake in your tech path spells your doom with SM. find myself just sticking with what I know and playing orkz or tau
>>737758553i think they kinda have their own custom campaigns at this point. But downloading the many gigabytes required to install it is AIDS, the freemium downloaders are cancer and for some reason there's no torrents last i checked.
>>737762132No GW does everything they can to avoid acknowledging their existence
>>737761580Theyre doing 200 campaigns and 200 psy ops and theyre winning and they are losing and they are gleefully doing some sick shit but also some loyalist shit, and theyre planting cheese pizza on a planetary governor's PC to then send the tip to the Kasrkin detachment that hes fallen into the Ruinous powers and theyre shorting the market and blowing up prometheum stocks to get money to fund their ops and then using Intel to make sure they can arbitrage 20000 tons of corpse starch to a starving system they made to starve.Its like Google. 200 departments vaguely united to get power, only theyre dealing coke and defeauding more than they snoet coke and do insider manipulation and stock buybacks. Hydra dominatus.
>>737762328High aggression, deploy land speeders as soon as humanly possible for harassment and denying strategic points. SMs are expensive, so you're gonna suck against any faction whose units are cheaper. Also don't ignore rhinos, even if you're not using them as transports, they're good for soaking up fire and generally getting in the way.
>>737762132no primarshits in the legion therefore functionally retconned
>>737757954>Imperium is about repressing the person for the ideal/goal>The Emperor isn't even a real person, the skeleton is just a skeleton that represents the IDEA of "A person (emperor) fighting for a higher ideal", but even the Emperor is actually a lot of shamans pretending to be a single person, as to accomplish a higher ideal>the person isn't even seen as real, just as a vehicle for higher ideas and its repression of others through demagoguery and sacrifice, with the individual existing to echo the ideal>the Imperium believes that its truth transcends 'condition' while draining itself constantly>Chaos is all about the Individual, going from hyper-futurist psychic vampires returning to primordial nature>The Chaos Gods are individuals summoned by collective manifestation, empowering individuals, yet they don't have bodies and are often spectral>the person is seen as real, and is a vehicle for his own empowerment/immortality and personal responsibility as it 'preys' on those who deny their individuality, with the individual having rippling effects>Chaos Nature instead creeps forward, aligning the conditions to become increasingly strong>humans claim Chaos is a collective of individuals with a mask when unironically thats what the Emperor is and has been>Chaos who are the forces of nature (literally named that way because they represent uncertainty in the face of dogma) seeks to push humanity back (by throwing their flaws back in their face) towards their primitive nature in spite this being a scifi setting (literally reversing human history and making it play backwards, humanity is currently in its "Christian Rome" period and slowly approaching the "Roman Polytheist" period), superhumans in 40k couldn't even program a working website game of Snake and all of their cool shit actually relies on magic, or limited amounts of genetic material from the past basicallyHMMM
>>737762476Actual, unironic, legitimate schizo shit. I love these little buggers like you wouldn't believe.
>>737756473>what have I done to deserve this?play the tabletop game
>>737740531jejI usually roll my eyes with these surveys, but this is pretty dead-on. Night Lords and World Eaters are /myguys/. Fuck Angron, however.
Who's the parryslop of SM chapters?
>>737763092Ultramarines, they had an entire game about parryslopping
>>737763092White fangs
>>737763092Cato Sicarius
>>737763195*White scarsdunno why i wrote fangs
>>737763092Blood AngelsWhite ScarsSpace WolvesBlack TemplarsUltramarines
>>737763092Space wolves easy
>>737757954>>737762704>Humanity reaches a form of hubris-filled futurist technological progress that tries to exploit the warp as if it was a factory>Emprahs plan is some wacky 'greater good' tier slop that seeks to deny humanity its freedom>the Primordials who represent 'successful and powerful' nature appear and they disrupt this>ironically loses all of his freedom himself>forces humanity into a constant regression into the past as punishment for their collective folly, poaching those they deem worthy>Imperium is at the point where it doesnt even know how to deal with or create anything meaningfully new anymore, only to wage war and cause massive quantities of suffering, literally the Dark Ages again except from forward-to-back instead. All philosophical, scientific, humanist values lost in the regression>even the Man-God Men Emperor himself gave up on his initial atheist goal and just wants to survive and not get eaten by the Chaos Gods at this point, sacrificing 10000 exceptional humans per day to himself just so the night light doesnt go out and letting trillions of normie humans get devoured by chaos or xenos every weekNow that I think about it it is really funny/clever that the Imperium is Christian Rome because it means that if the plot of 40k continues in this direction, if/after Christian Rome-style Imperium falls (no more Single God Emperor/unending Sun or w/e) it means that the next step after that is Hellenist Rome. But the Chaos Gods are supposed to be modeled after Hellenist Gods? I wonder if the implication of the writers with Horus was that the Emperor (Sun) 'could' have stopped 40ks 'grim setting' by passing the torch to Hours (Moon), but destroyed the chance of this happening by banishing Horus thus leading to the Christian-style Imperium instead.Does anyone know how much influence Egypts religion had on Rome before the adoption of monotheism? Or if its just referencing the rivalry Jews had with Egypt (Jews claiming Egypt enslaved them)
What the FUCK is bud' babbling about?
>>737763804You've certainly put more thought into the setting than any writer at GW ever has. Why do secondaries always think 40k has some really well developed and serious lore? It started as satire and now is just "rule of cool in an oppressive empire where humanity is continuosly fighting a losing battle'
>>737762698>inb4 LotD gets hit by the legal GW Enshittification mandate to add NuMarines to the range.To be fair its kinda of a big surprise they didnt turn the Grey Knights into Primaris right away.
>>737764208rule of diversity*
>>737764208>losing battleThis isn't even the case. The imperium has been on the brink of collapse for 40 years now, status quo always wins out because GW is the real god here and the small plastic men must sell.
>>737764284Well yeah, they'll never actually kill off the setting obviously.
Can you get high if you snort crushed spirit stones? Asking for a fellow loyalist.
>>737761762A kitbash of the new Mutilators minis holding a 2x4 would go hard
>>737764284>The imperium has been on the brink of collapse for 40 years nowThey also don't move the setting forward, 8th edition changes aside.
>>737740531I don't know what this means
>>737740531>rogal dorn>imperial fists>death korpsYes thank you the one fucking internet test that actually works on me
>>737764783you're a rambo
>>737764783Viet Cong
>>737764783
>>737764783You're an outdated pop culture reference
>>737764783>Kata Chang
>>737764208>It started as satire and now is just "rule of cool in an oppressive empire where humanity is continuosly fighting a losing battle'Im interested, because all of these plot points individually are very common, and 40k puts them together nicely. In what edition were the folloiwng pieces of lore (All of which are based on real mythology, history or philosophy) added to the game:>the Emperor being an eternal Solar deity who resents individuality and represents dogma>the Emperors main bad guy being the moon that represents personal liberation including sexual (thx Slaanesh)>the Solar Deity doing stuff for the 'greater good' turning out to be a fraud that only wants to cling to its position when push comes to shove>the Solar Deity demanding sacrifice and leading to reverse-eugenics, just to delay the inevitable (the success of something 'objectively' better but not as deluded/hylic)>history playing itself backwards when the original goal was an 'arbitrary politicized ideal of progress'>Nature and Primordial forces being represented by Demons (Polytheism vs Christianity) or scary monsters, because the perennial truth is more bloody/sexual but honest and truer>the trickster actually leads people towards immortality/transcendence, and the tricksters version of integration implies a harmonious union of past, present and future (instead of a present ignorant of the past and with no future)If you've not seen all of the above at least 40000 times, read more.Shit, even the Emperors New Body is itself a Wizard of Oz situation (pay no attention to the Turkish Shamans behind the curtain)
>>737764959you talk like a fag
>>737764959>Wizard of Oz invented trickeryRead more.
>>737764837>>737764859>>737764890>>737764904Might actually be very accurate
>>73776420840k's most clever piece of writing is one that's very original to it, that is posing Horus (the Moon, Son of the Emperor, a Son would normally inherit an Empire) as the opponent of the Sun whom, to keep 'eternal day and rule' the Emperor has to erase, and with that act he becomes the Corpse-Emperor.The reason its clever: The Emperor who doesn't care about humanity is an idealist who runs over humanity just for the sake of his ideals, yet in the end the reason he does everything is to stay in control WITHOUT achieving his ideal and erasing everything that was done to support said ideal, just to stay in power. The reason Horus rebelled through Chaos is because he saw the Emperor for what he is, and the biggest proof that he was right is that the Emperor did what he did with the last vestiges of his power.In the end the only feature of the Imperium that remained was that it was degenerately feeding Chaos.
>>737764783You have to find that bastard Charlie before he finds you.
>>737765075>>>even the Emperors New Body is itself a Wizard of Oz situation >>Wizard of Oz invented trickery>Read more.the irony of this statement is killing meunironically how did you read that and get the idea that the implication was that the Wizard of Oz invented trickery, and not the enumeration of an example
>>737765145>The reason Horus rebelled through Chaos is because he saw the Emperor for what he isThe reason he turned was because he was stabbed with a poop knife and turned into a puppet with four hands up his poophole. Literally everything you are saying is pulled directly out of your own ass. Like the poop knife.
>>737765145>The reason Horus rebelledHis immense, and I do mean IMMENSE ego and inferiority complex that goes with it. Literally no other reason. He wasn't a good guy, he wasn't misunderstood, he was just a bratty little shit who didn't like that dad kept (rightly) kept him out of the loop and wanted humans to rule over themselves.
>>737740531Am I genius or retardedWho can say
>>737765324Nigger the whole subplot of Horus' characterThe Chaos Gods show Horus a vision of the Emperor being a fraud who just wants to rule over the worldIt happens anyway, except>without the Heresy, the Emperor would rule the world as he saw fit becoming PsychicUberStallin>with the Heresy, the Emperor was cast into a parody of himself and the things he hated the most, just to retain power, that he is constantly losing, because he is forced into a position he doesn't want to be just to retain power over humanity
>>737765145>The reason Horus rebelled through ChaosIf I remember the first novel correctly, Erebus/chaos gods/I don't remember anymore showed him what 40k imperium will be like without explaining that his rebellion directly led to that state of things.
>>737765474>Literally no other reasonDid you miss the subplot where the Emperor wanted to become Psychic Stalin? And that without Horus, by the time of 40k all individuality would be erased, and that the Heresy was the only way to stop the Emperor from mass enslaving humanity for some retarded communist-tier ideal? That humanity in a 40k where the Emperor won would have none of the defining freedoms that the setting is known forAnd that ultimately, in-setting, the Imperium still is a psychic parasite which has its own consequence? Its why humanity has to keep sacrificing people to the Emperor like they're Jews in the middle of a desert.
>>737765617Don't forget that Eldrad contributed by killing a ton of perpetuals who would have steered humanity away from it.
>>737765661>killing perpetualswat
>>737765629>Defining freedomsYou mean the ones that spawn chaos?
>>737729063I had a fucking stroke or something, I swear, (I have heart failure) and I no longer hear the voices or "see" things (,I don't mean literal manifestations in reality, but like intuition), nor have "fits" of berserk. It's awful. I guess I'm "happier" now but the warp overtaking me really was a good pain. Think them niggas spiked me through human transmission
>>737765508The gods show Horus the future he himself will create by rebelling. No future where the rebellion doesn't happen is ever shown or considered. And during that same dream sequence Magnus himself comes along to spell out to Horus that he is being deceived and lied to and Horus basically tells him to fuck off and rebels anyway. Cause he is a giant fucking baby.
>>737765324The knife killed him but he was always arrogant and foresaw that he and the rest of the Space Marines are going to get Thunder Warrior'd at the very end
>>737730510>Loses in melee to Eldar worker unitHeh nothin personell
>>737740531No surprise here I guess
>>737765859>>737759597Brother...
>>737765617They didn't show him what 40k (the settings) imperium would be.Throughout the lore, the Emperor (who is a collective of Greeks in a trenchcoat) has a retarded anti-spiritual ideal of ruling all of humanitys collective psychic power.He wants to enslave and rule over everyone and crushes everyone else, in his way or out of it, essentially being a Communist wearing human skin (literally).The idea that the Chaos Gods 'predicted 40k (the setting)' is just fans having poor reading comprehension - the predicted setting the Gods showed is the 'USSR Imperium', while the 40k (the date) version of the Imperium is supposed to be the 'irony' (because its a subversion, a funny writing component). The Emperors plan was bad for me and you as well as the galaxy. The Chaos Gods spurned him and to stop him, forced him into a parody version of himself - the Chaos Gods did not show Horus this version. The Emperor is still 'alive' because all the communists wearing the human skeleton of the emperor wanted was control. This is why in 40k (the setting) the Imperium is constantly dogmatic, regressive and described as barely holding on and sacrificing everything to survive. Because the Emperor is still trying to stay in control no matter the cost. Because the Emperor was someone who is really into sacrificing others to retain control (Stalin), and he effectively has no ideals besides staying in control, ergo why humanity regresses into a scifi futurism of the Dark Ages
>>737765629Literally, and I do in fact mean LITERALLY all of that is your personal headcanon, which, while certainly riveting reading material, is completely meaningless as far as this discussion is concerned.Horus saw the future he himself would go on to create, and he did it all because he was a pissy little shit who couldn't handle not being in charge.
>>737765767No, it's because Magnus explained it wrong. He can't do anything right.
>>737765753Do NOT do research into the Sensei.
>>737765753Eldrad was trying to do his farseer thing far into the future to see where things were headed, but perpetuals existing interfere with their precog abilities. So he went around killing a bunch to clarify his visions and many of them were human perpetuals. In the end, he did manage to see 40k and regretted killing all the perpetuals. It is somewhat implied that human perpetuals were literally the Men of Gold who were guiding humanity for tens of thousands of years, so naturally now that most of them are dead, humanity has lost its guidance.
>>737765931>They didn't show him what 40k (the settings) imperium would be.They literally did. Second book of the series. They literally show him a hive world of the modern 40k setting. Try to keep up.
>>737753287The question is does he seethe or kek at his revenge prank (GONE WRONG ??!) of turning the Emperor into a god and creating the Imperial Religion
>>737765931haha, well done! epic troll! xD
Run n shoot.Shoot n run.
>>737765767That is not true. That's just fans having really bad reading comprehension/literacy>It is logically impossible for the future that the Gods showed to be 40k because it'd be too different>the Emperors version of the future would have been worse>there isnt actually a reason the Gods would need to lie to anyone about what the Emperor wanted>this is a metaphysical paradox (when it was meant to be an irony)>if the Chaos Gods had this level of control then the entire agency of the setting is meaningless as a story>there would be no reason Horus would believe such an absurd fate unless it was already happening/obvious. Horus isnt believing the Gods because 'dude trust me' but rather because of what he realizes in setting>everything else already said
>>737765761I like the part where you said "It's Warpin' time!" and then you warped all over the place.
>>737765931based
>>737766041>bad reading comprehensionComing from the guy interpreting a whole novel's worth of his personal headcanon into a single chapter of the second HH book, this is a laughable statement. We're done. Come back when you want to have a serious discussion.
>>737765947>Horus saw the future he himself would go on to create, and he did it all because he was a pissy little shit who couldn't handle not being in charge.This is just reddit tier circlejerking cynicism about the setting. Including the stuff about how "the Primarchs are imperfect humans too"If you re-read the story without getting your headcannon mixed with reddit and forum consensus, the story does not imply that at all - ergo why its only present in 'internet shitpost lingo'.This is made very obvious by the naming schemes used in-setting (paralleling IRL mythologies and the subversion of their relations) including the whole Sun-deity shit.The Emperor wanted to become a NeoPlatonic Demiurge, the reason he is secretive is because his goals are obviously the erasure of humanity. If the Emperors original goals were freedom for humanity, then the Chaos Gods would be on the Emperors side. Like no shit?
>>737766163>a serious discussion about 4k loreHahahah do secondaries really
>>737765931So basically the Emperor represents the Apollonian and the Chaos Gods represent the Dysonian dialects of Nietzschean metaphilosophyAt last I seeEmbracing the Chaos Gods would be the better outcome for humanity then
>>737764783You now have to fly through the air at high speeds and go>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>737765767Magnus is such a retard himself he couldn't see it was Tzeentch that manipulated him into blowing a hole into the Emperors toilet.
>>737766041The original guy was right to stop replying to you, holy fuck
>>737766205*DionysianTypo
>>737766197haha, well done! epic troll xD
>>737755928Space Wolves have always been teetering on falling to Slanesh despite larping as liking to think of themselves as Khornates, few seem to accept this
>>737766227Nah, it made people mad enough to provoke neurosis-posting and most of the niggers complaining about the literate version of the story are posting like retards thoughsee >>737766273 >>737766004 >>737765947Nietzschean dialectics anon is right tbhsmhfam
>>737748141But it's fundamentally driven by a sort of petty narcissism
>>737730510My brain at 8PM-4AM
>>737766452My man, you do not read enough 40k books to be speaking with any kind of authority. Most of your shit is from reddit and you've filled in the gaps with massive amounts of headcanon and allegorical references that aren't there. You are out here contradicting literal canon on multiple subjects and everyone can see it, that's why you're not getting serious responses.
>>737766454>narcissismNarcissism is a personality trait characterized by an excessive focus on ones own person, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others (God Emperor)>perfectionismPerfectionism is a personality trait characterized by a relentless striving for extremely high standards for oneself and others (Slaanesh PBUH)Nah, its not. There is no 'central social' component to Slaanesh. Slaanesh is in it for the love of the game, if you've ever been (or met) a perfectionist you'd know those are 2 very opposing poles. Though I assume you'd think that because you think Slaanesh is just pink and sex and that's for girls :3
>>737740531Oh dear
>>737766624>Most of your shit is from redditOk name one thing
>>737766774Read your own posts.
>>737766624>redditDo you mean superficial takes dependent on public consensus and memes with an absence of originality is 100%? Then why can no one complaining about the very accurate interpretation of Horus and the Emperor give a single counter example, instead only saying "umm read the books sweety umm not like that :^)"
>>737766641>Slaanesh is just pink and sexThat does make me wonder. How much does chaos worship fuck with your mind? Like you always hear the full-on stereotype of khornate cultists being raging berserkers all the time and slaaneshi cultists being full on hedonism all the time. However chaos cults manage to get shit done. Warbands manage to get shit done. There must be some amount of sanity left there.
My favorite Tzeentch strat is acting retarded and call my opponents losers when they ignore me.
>>737740531Hell yeah baby,
>>737767150yiff in hell, furfag
>>737767059You can't think about it too hard because it doesn't make sense if you do
>>737740531I first answered a browser translated version of the questionnaire, some of the questions are WILDLY different than the proper english version and take some different interpretation to answerI recommend trying both and see whether there's a change, I landed the same faction but slightly different "portrait"
>>737767059Think of it this way: No one who joined Chaos got weaker, or became incapable unless they were turned into a mini meme-Daemon or given a meme mutation (Nurgle = fat lol). Its part of the overarching identity of Chaos, the 40k setting would be completely doomed if Chaos made you weaker because it would imply that its just degeneracy in ALL directions.
Ultramarine? More like Ultrafags
>>737767494>No one who joined Chaos got weaker, or became incapableMost people who follow chaos get turned into babbling chaos spawn, stupid secondary
>>737756473>>737758210>only two actual living, breathing humans with souls itteveryone getting autism, rage NPC, and gooner answers really shows how far /v/ has fallen...
>>737752820Unless you're American then Protestants are jews first
>>737767498lmao gottem
>>737767540Becoming a Chaos Spawn isn't a byproduct of "Chaos" as an element, its an explicit punishment by the Gods. Reread the convo>Most people who follow chaosThose numbers aren't true. Most people who worship Chaos get absorbed by the Chaos Gods after dying (human), and the nature of that is unknown except a few excerpts about people becoming 'plant like' in Nurgles garden (except Princes).
>>737751113Over half of the 40k fandom is just posting gay faggot reddit memes like this
>>737767189Jealousy is a bad look on you mate.
>>737767709>Becoming a Chaos Spawn isn't a byproduct of "Chaos" as an element, its an explicit punishment by the GodsWrong again, secondary
>>737767709>explicit punishment by the GodsI thought becoming a chaos spawn is about drinking too deep before your body is ready.
>>737767540>calls people secondary>fails lore test AND reading comprehension testamazing
>>737767540No they do not. Becoming a Chaos spawn is usually reserved as a punishment or a result of being unable to handle the mutations.
>>737740531>white scars
>>737767540Post minis
>>737768025Post games
>>737762951He had a hard life
>>737764783Marbo is a bit sly
>>737768191>calls others secondaries>is himself a secondary
>>737767849Mutations are granted by the Gods explicitly, they know if they're turning someone into a Chaos Spawn and because they are tricksters they're obviously going to be subversive about it, the goal being the eventual attaining of Daemonhood (immortality).The alternative is 'death' that most of the people in the setting succumb to, this is just a fancier version not requiring a battle. Spawns have no will, and I dont know if its even implied that its the same person or if its essentially a demon that takes over the host body (I dont know where youd even check for a source on that) but its supposed to imply some form of punishment regards to ones own failures in self-realization, which I assume is supposed to parallel something Norsethis guy is wrong >>737767836 while Mutations imply "randomness" in some uses in modern Biology (which you'd get the impression of due to them being called "Chaos" albeit Chaos itself has multiple definitions), nothing about them in the setting implies literal randomness or instability.
>>737768419God damn tertiaries.
>>737768582quadri‑myrio‑secondary
There are two kinds of warp mutations, those explicitly granted by the chaos gods and/or their daemons, and the general, actual random mutation that occurs from exposure to warp energy. Chaos Spawn can occur either way.
If the Chaos Gods are evil, why are they just sort of... scary and dangerous but that's about it? The Drukkhari are the ones who actually do the shit that causes pain and suffering in an attempt to make people's lives worse just for the lulzThe Chaos Gods seem very pragmatic in retrospect, especially considering how much they are demonized. Chaos never does anything superficial? Like not a single time in the lore has anyone aligned with Chaos done anything superficial have they?
>>737768902>actual random mutation that occurs from exposure to warp energyI don't think they're implied to be 'truly random' rather just unpredictable from the perspective of the victims in the stories exposed to them. The Chaos Gods don't have 'bodies', they are more like "fields" (as in, opposite of particle) >if the mutations are random and not from Chaos, why would the excess mutations turn you into a CHAOS spawn?Especially since said warp is granting mutations in the first place?
>>737768927The Emperors Children were useless in the siege of terra because they spent the whole time raping civilians and turning them into drug so idk what you mean
>>737768927You mean like when Chaos never tortured, murdered, betrayed or infected people for the lulz? That never happened right? Never?
>>737768927The chaos gods are evil because they are a reflection of the galaxy. Born of the war, suffering, death and atrocity that occured with the war in heaven. The more fucked up it became, the more it began to influence the sapients of the galaxy, the more fucked up shit the sapients did, the even more fucked up the warp became. The whole thing is a feedback loop that cannot be fixed save by killing every sapient soul bearing being in the galaxy, or by severing the warp from the materium, which would kill every living thing in the galaxy.
>>737769132Yes but all of it is very utilitarian. >SlaaneshLiterally associated with min-maxing their Slaanesh bar, which itself implies the notion of min-maxing as does the method.>>737769160Again usually those are utilitarian and relate to the identity and Warp-use/power autism. There's no Chaos scientists studying increasingly painful methodology like the Dark Eldar, even though the nature of the Dark Eldar is no secret. Chaos is concerned with power more than suffering, and you have to consider scale.40k Chaos is a cosmic power present in every wall, though etcIts capable of infecting every inch of your being and thinking to cause torment far better than Dark Eldar ever couldYet Chaos and each God is ultimately concerned with a sort of apathy to the notion of suffering, unless it concerns their domain and power and just killing or swaying their enemies. And I'm not talking just about the CSM, even the Daemons don't torture people that much.Shit, the Imperium uses Daemons to TORTURE people more than Daemons naturally torture people.Torture is obviously used by everyone in the setting, even Tau.Chaos just has a big disparity between what they could do and you'd think they do, and what they actually do.
>>737769219Ratio wise, if we assume a mathematically accurate Torture/Kill ratio, Chaos's T/K ratio is lower than the Imperiums, Albeit there's a problem here that skews this perspectiveGenerally only humans get tortured in settingXenos don't get tortured, neither Orks Necrons Tau Dark Eldar etc simply because they can't be tortured or there's no book written about them being torturedSo torture is sort of something only done by humans (and Dark Eldar) and inflicted exclusively upon Humans (and Eldar/Dark Eldar)kinda funny.
>>737769412You are retarded. Daemons constantly torture people like on one planet they are forced to dance endlessly or they get killed
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHAR8YhWd_U>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAhtbBT6thI>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BskpJOBAgKEwell?do you anon's think it'll hold up?
>>737769634>dance endlessly or they get killedI mean, just stop dancing and die immediately. This is 1000 times more humane than what Dark Eldar do.>oh nooo dont make me groove Mr Satan I dont want to die now instead of dying laterCome on, the point is comparing the extremes. The average Penitent Engine person is tortured more than most Daemon victims are in the setting.
>>737769412>Shit, the Imperium uses Daemons to TORTURE people more than Daemons naturally torture people.
>>737769634I think his problem is that they only torture because they have to and not for fun. Which sounds fucking retarded and makes no sense. You'll be much happier if you don't engage with 99% of the posters here.
>>737769412Torture is actually Slaanesh's thing because it falls under extremes of "sensation" which is what created Slaanesh in the first place. DEldar need to torture as literal sacrifice to Slaanesh so he feeds on that rather than their souls, but they do it for the love of the game as well. So, no, chaos isn't apathetic to doing evil shit, Slaanesh specifically has it as his domain.>>737769627>Xenos don't get tortured, neither Orks Necrons Tau Dark Eldar etc simply because they can't be tortured or there's no book written about them being torturedWrong. DEldar are explicitly said to raid literally anyone they can for slaves to torture, Haemonculi go after some pretty specific, kooky shit for the things they do and that's in the codexes.
