Do you think a new kings field game would be successful? The series has become a bit of a cult classic due to fromsoftwares success with darksouls and many games intending to emulate kingsfields style have come out. I would enjoy this greatly, as I am a big fan of first person dungeon crawlers.
>>737736335I mean not if it plays like King's Field, no.Especially KF4 cause holy fuck.
They'd probably just make it play like fucking skyrim, no thanks.
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>>737737601Reviewers dont really matter. Do people even care for game journalists opinions at all any more?
>>737736335done in the same slow dungeon crawler style? no, demon souls/dark souls reinvented that formula with more engaging but still pretty simple third person action gameplay
>>737736335its a product of its time. it wont be successful these days, also >>737736582
I played King's Field IV for the first time just last year and thought it was great. There's definitely an audience for KF VI but it wouldn't sell Dark Souls levels (but also not cost as much to produce).
You could wait until they make one, but it seem like they settle on Dark Soul/Soul games for their medieval niche. It took them 10 years to release another Armored Core game, and it was good, so you could hope that they might dab into Kings Field. I would like to make a suggestion with the Devil Spire series as it follow a similar game style to it (Falls is more of a Daggerfall Clone, however). There is a demo you can try.https://store.steampowered.com/app/1861290/Devil_Spire/https://store.steampowered.com/app/3646460/Devil_Spire_Falls/
>>737737601>too hard>too slow>too uglythen demons souls does the same 8 years later and it's a masterpiece
>>737736335Yeah it's called Queen's Domain, chud.And it's gonna be successful just like Lunacid.
>>737737601Calling Ancient City ugly or hard is a bit insane. It doesn't even have bosses.Too slow, yeah.
>>737738874Lunacid sucks ass.
>>737739183But it's successful, that was the question OP askedIt made millions of dollars.
>>737738874Queen's Domain actually looks playable. Lunacid was just a failed dev howling at the moon for social justice. That's the difference here.
>>737739380Well it made that failed dev a multi millionaire.
>>737738874>Lunacid>purplelol no
>>737739426Don't care you lost the political war already, 1mil vs the rest of us who make up the gaming sphere is like x3 or x5 the amount of you failed transvestites and Indian cucks.
>>737738885it definitely has bosses
>>737738634Ive been looking into devil spire and devil spire falls. It looks pretty neat but im playing verho curse of faces atm. Might jump into dsvil spire after.
>>737739380Why does everyone portray the dev like some crazed sjw? Yes theyre a tranny, yes theres pronouns in the game. Politics doesnt come into it at all though. Lunacid is a good game. A great game even.
>>737739663They made it a point to rub in to their opposition which is when people usually find it in poor taste. Entertain, don't preach gospel when nobody on the other side is interested in it. Whilst in Rome, do as Romans do to avoid controversy. I wouldn't want to support devs that are ideologically my enemy and subscribe to ideas of killing me personally because of their hatred of the western civilization for example. Likewise I won't support trannies.
I wouldn't be successful, and it wouldn't really be a king's field. They would add too much details, dialogues, voices, weight limit, the fights would be too complicated and twitchy, etc. I just want to slowly explore and figure it out by myself.>>737739380>Queen's Domain actually looks playableYes, surprisingly. The enemies are too annoying (they chase you forever + the laser eye), but otherwise it looks promising.
>>737736335I like the series, but I think it only has niche appeal. I doubt Fromsoft will ever even attempt to make anything similar to them again.>>737738885The reviewer admitting that he died five times to one of the bug enemies at the very start of the game is pretty hilarious. The game does have bosses, though. It just doesn't telegraph that to the player by sealing them in an arena and having a name and healthbar pop up on the screen. They're also all pretty easy.>>737739663I don't give a shit about who the developer is or what they believe, but I found Lunacid pretty disappointing. It fails to match the environments and exploration of King's Field and Shadow Tower, and doesn't really have anything new to offer to make up for it. The combat is somehow less fun, too.
>>737738362>there's a king's field vWhat?
What would exactly be there in the game that makes it a 'KF game' left to make it noticable? The games have aged very, very poorly and are complete slog to play. I finished (JP) 1 and 2 recent and there's almost nothing in these games that are worth it today. The atmosphere is kinda cool but Dark Souls and Elden Ring already do it.
>>737739663I'd struggle to call it decent
Just remembering now that I bought Lunacid day 1 because of Lost in Vivo but I've yet to even play it.
>>737741315I tried playing Lost in Vivo and I do not get that game's success, does it pick up or is it just a straight low-rent Unity Silent Hill wannabe?
>>737741238Good art, good maps, good encounters with fun puzzle stuff. Just be a good game. Most games can't do that, that's pretty notable.If VR wasn't a near total flop it would've made for an amazing VR game. Can't move for shit in those, the movement speed would make sense.
>>737741182Dark Souls 2.
>>737741476The biggest shame about DS2's dev disaster is we would absolutely have a KFV by now if that development wasn't a fucking nightmare. A higher-up like Naotoshi Zin doesn't just defy all of Japanese work culture to return to design grunt work if he didn't have further plans for it.
>>737736335>the EU version is even slower than the american/jp oneactually insane, anyway, i enjoyed the fuck out of KF4 but i would never replay it because its just too slow, me personally would love another entry in the series but they are just redundant when Dark Souls exist as a title and even as a concept, luckily there's a few similar titles coming out and a few already released, Verho i heard its pretty neat, also Monomyth, but that is going at a snail pace.
>>737741383I liked it, it's like a rogue's gallery of psycho-horror tropes and plots so it kind of feels like a haunted house ride. It never really "picks up" because each section is like a restart with a different atmosphere, plot and gameplay.Also it features a lot of secret and bonus content including the precursor to Lunacid.
>>737741684I don't know if that really convinced me to give it another go, but I appreciate the earnest opinion anon, thank you.
>>737736335I think it would be successful entirely on Fromsoft's name alone. They have enough good will and brand recognition built up that they could sell anything right now.AC6 outsold the rest of its entire series combined, I imagine a hypothetical KF5 would do the same, easily.
>>737741767Not really trying to convince you, it's a small game about irrational fears and mental illness and if you don't vibe with that it's dogshit.
>>737741878That was my thinking. People would pick it up knowing nothing about the series entirely because its a fromsoft game.
>>737741460Did we play the same game lol? The maps are 'pretty okay' but full of bullshit nonsense with traps behind traps.The art is lazy and nothing spectacular, maybe the scythe enemies with their rolling heads are kinda cool. What puzzles? Also the music is on repeat and annoying and most of the game plays glacial pace. There's no variancy in combat.
>>737741383No, it sucks ass. Surface level Silent Hill inspired trash.
shadow tower (ps1) mogs any kf
>>737736335Such a trash series, and one of the most baffling case of worship amongst retards who have never played it.
>>737744028>guy who never played a game is mad about other people who also never played the gamewhat are you even trying to accomplish herewe're really letting the blind lead the blind here
>>737736335They would add a bunch of souls elements to it like they did with AC6 and no shit it would sell by from softs name alone, But that won't happen since they are a GaaS company now with not much talent left now
>>737744028Completely correct; it has aged horribly and mostly survives as a curio of earlier From era and a prototype of much better games like Demon's Souls.
>>737737601>fromtroons seething over truth
>cult classicMajority of them are larpers who only took a liking recently because they wanted to be the "i liked fromsoft before souls ruined them" contrarian. Same goes with the uptick of people thinking DeS is the only good one.
All these tiktok zoomers itt who can't appreciate some of the best dungeon crawlers ever made just because there is no adhd roll spam bossfights or yellow paint telling you where to go
>>737744624t. filtered by poison mine
>>737736335A hardcore first person dungeon crawler by From Soft would absolutely sell a lot. But not if it plays like the og Kings Field. Those controls would be unacceptable today.
>>737745735they're dogshit games and even more dogshit dungeon crawlersif you want some of the best dungeon crawlers ever made then play ultima and wizardrynot this poop from a butt
Shadow Tower 2 is the only good dungeon crawler they made because it doesn't control like molasses.
>>737736335Literally just play Dark Souls/Elden Ring with a first person mod.
>>737745946How are the controls bad? I played them all recently and they were very responsive and intuitive despite the weird control scheme, which you can just rebind or play with kb+m anyways
>>737744813Same with Blade of Darkness. It had 0 mentions before Dark Souls 2. Someone found out about it and people here started latching on to it "this is a rip off of BoD! zoomers wouldn't know!"
Anyone played this? I gave the demo a try and enjoyed it, although it felt a bit more like Amnesia despite the (King's Field) style.
>>737741582I highly recommend trying out Verho if you haven't already. So much of it is inspired by Dark Souls that it almost feels like a first-person mod.
>>737746114Looks cool, will play it but it looks more like an echo nights. Most of these indie KF inspired games I've played had nothing to do with them other than 1st person cameras and dark fantasy settings so I tend not to trust them much. Labyrinth of the Demon King and Lunacid and that fly knight one were specially shit
>>737746114really good looking game for the genre but its also incredibly short. 3 hours MAX
>>737746228>3 hours MAXDamnThe page did mention that, even the demo felt like you experienced a good chunk of the game, but I didn't expect it to be /that/ short.
>>737736335It's pretty clear there's a niche audience for a sort of modern KF game. There's been a few released now and they seem to have done well. Lunacid, Verho, Labyrinth of the Demon King and Fly Knight all definitely made their budget back, and there's a few promising demos that seem like they'll do well when they're out (Queen's Domain, Hark the Ghoul). So it's definitely something that can succeed, given a very modest budget and realistic expectations. But this is the game industry, so there's little chance of getting anything like this outside of indies without an inflated development cycle and ridiculous shareholder expectations.
Between King's Field and Armored Core which is the better series to play in From's old catalog?
>>737746078>which you can just rebind or play with kb+m anywaysthat's why. You played them 20 years later with modern tech that allows you to fix some of its problems. The original games came out before analog sticks and you had to strafe and look up and down with R and L shoulder buttons. Shit sucked back then. These 3d games were always better on PC before analogs became common on consoles.
>>737746468Armored Core easy
>>737736335>Do you think a new kings field game would be successful?Yes a new KF with better graphics and faster pace would be absolute a guarantee success>>737736542Whats wrong with KF4 you fucking ugly tranny?
>>737746468Armored Core and is not even close.
>>737738634Problem is that the souls games basically are the natural evolution of what they were going for with KF already. They've gotten pretty far from it now, but DeS/DaS were pretty much just 3rd person KF games with much better combat.
>>737741138>They're also all pretty easy.That snake boss rapes.
>>737746468Metal Wolf Chaos
>>737746634>DeS/DaS were pretty much just 3rd person KF games with much better combat.KF games will always be a dungeon crawler.
Is Monomyth any good?
>>737746754I liked it but it still in early access. It's very easy. You can cheese most melee enemies by jumping on a box. They can't aim up.
>>737746529>>737746545What if we cheat a bit and add the Shadow Tower games pretending they are King's Field games? Still Armored Core is better?
>>737736335The modern From Stans don't want dungeon crawling and exploring. They want corridors with enemies that they can run past to get to the next OMG SO HARD bossfight.
>>737746748And the souls games weren't? How so? Stick the camera in first person and call it "Demon's Field" and nobody would bat an eye.
>>737746468Can really compare 2 different genres. Also kings field has 4 (PSP and phone aside) games vs like 20 AC games so no shit they had more room to improve. AC games alwas felt way less ambitious than KF though despite them being the reason fromsoft started making games
>>737746936I enjoyed Shadow Tower but still think you'll get more out of AC
>>737746468I recently played armored core 1 and kings field 2, armored core was a much better overall game ignoring the dogshit last level with the tube you have to climb. Kings field felt more like a first draft for a dungeon crawler rather than a fully realised game. Not awful, but terribly slow, very simple combat with maybe 2 exceptions at the very end and mostly uninteresting environments to wander around.
>>737746936I agree with the other anon. Shadow Tower is legitimately enjoyable IMO but for a blind rec I'd say AC.
>>737747024I know they are different but they would be the two biggest IP's From had before Soulsborne took over.>>737747036I see, it does look far more entertaining at least.>>737747042The 4th game always looked best to me when I see videos about the games. But one thing that seems to apply to them all is they are definitely super slow paced.
>>737747000>Stick the camera in first person and call it "Demon's Field" and nobody would bat an eye.good thing there's a rolling button in KF games, oh wait. retard.
>>737736335Next From game will be Ever Grace 2
>>737747268uhhh...
>>737747180A dungeon crawler with a roll button isn't suddenly an entirely different genre. Never mind that you can absolutely play those games without ever touching the roll button, as many a trend-hopping sloptuber has demonstrated.
>>737747354I just beat this game yesterday, what a disgusting fucking headache lol. Guess all the good devs where on kf 4 and ac 3
>>737736335Why are westerners so obsessed with first person games?
I think they can pull it off and be successful without feeling too much like another souls game.>Dungeons only>First person only>The only ''multiplayer'' aspect should be asynchronous stuff. No direct playing with other people. No invasions or co op. Just stuff you can do in your world that affect other peoples in some way. >limb based damage combat. >no rolling
>>737747416>I just beat this game yesterday, what a disgusting fucking headache lol.>hate game>keep playingWhy you do this
>>737747484its like 5 hours long
>>737747443Is an eastern game althoughbeit
>>737736335I think it would do good, especially if it releases on the switch 2 right now.
>>737747443immersion
>>737747443Japanese are more obsessed with first person dungeon crawlers than the west. The west prefers FPS instead.
>>737747527no it's not
>>737747942I beat It yesterday in one sitting, didnt know you were spying me through my windows, my bad
I am always spying on you, Robert. Change that Rouge the Bat wallpaper, it's embarrassing.
>>737748108okay then explain the story revealbecause you're full of shit
>>737748198That they put the twin girl soul into the girl protag to make her a doll and she was the one who led the army of monsters?
>>737747453The worst part of KF's combat is that there's no defensive moves, while most of the late game enemies and bosses are basically at Dark Souls speed spamming bullshit at you. The game becomes basically a first person shooter where you spam your best spells and weapon arts before the enemy gets in range. Maybe not a roll but Bloodborne quick step and a good block would not be a bad addition
>>737748953There's not much of anything else either. Most of the buffs are epilepsy inducing.
>>737746541>>737736542KF4 is absolute ludo kino and if you got filtered by the turn speed you're a retard because that shit is totally fine, the enemies are the correct speed for it to work
>>737746662just shoot it with the crossbow lol
>>737748198heres proof anyways, this includes an hour long break or so to make and eat dinner
>>737748953>>737749209Sounds pretty kino to me. The late game should be difficult.
>>737736335KFlikes are a pretty successful indie genre as far as niches go. I doubt fromshitware is capable of producing anything that doesn't cater to the lowest common cattle however
>>737741563>>737741476I'd love another game from him. DS2 really is KFV, but I hope KFVI, if it ever gets made, goes back to first person. The immersion takes a hit when you use 3rd person.
>>737745867nta, kill yourself, you have no taste.
>>737746480>filtered by the controls>thinks it suckedlmao, I played them all on original hardware recently. Only a disgusting zoomoid casual shitbag can't play with and enjoy older control schemes.
>>737745867based and true. Every retard praising those games only played them recently for gamer cred. Fucking zoomers I swear. Every person back then hated Kings Field.
>>737748953defensive moves are getting good at strafing and spacing + hit and run starts, wouldn't say it's much different from earlier souls games. Shadow tower did add a shield button too I think
>>737749579>I played them all on original hardware recently. Exactly what I said >>737749586. Just zoomoids pretending. I bet this subhuman played Blade of Darkness last month too. All posers. King Fields 1-4 are all shit games.
>>737749619King Field 1 already had shields, zoomie. You can stop pretending you played these games. Nobody believes you. Fuck off to roblox where you belong.
the real question is when will they make a new shadow tower abyss aka king's field with guns
>>737749642So opinions only matter if you played them on release day or what? What a niggerish way of thinking. I played them 8 years ago and I liked them, played them last month on original hw too and liked them even more. Can't even imagine the kind of shit taste you must have
>>737749743Now this was a legit good game. Faster paced, good combat.
>>737749729and? You don't use them, they are not a defensive option just a stat. Learn to read brown
>>737749753>Can't even imagine the kind of shit taste you must havemost likely people who can't build a mental map in their heads while playing games with more complex level design, many such cases
>>737749642>y-y-you didn't play it on OG hardware!!! you just didn't!!!!!Kill yourself, you subhuman zoomoid. I'm on /vr/ far more than this shithole for a reason and that's because it's infested with tastelets like you who get filtered by anything older than fortnite.
>>737749619>I thinkIt did. It also added multiple weapon slots and quick switching. God I fucking love Shadow Tower.
>>737737601>one editor calling out the other editor's score in the same reviewMan, I miss game mags like this and GamePro that had multiple voices at once.
>>737749368It's not difficult, the hardest part of the game is around the late early part when you start running into real monsters but you don't have any decent spells, like the rooftop area where you have to fight the like 3-4 Shiva soldier bosses in a row
>>737750627Also this og flame fucker. I hate this guy so much, but least he's totally optional.
shadow tower > shadow tower abyss > kf4 > kf3 > kf2 > kf1
>>737746541>better graphics and faster paceWow anti soul much?
>>737736335Sure, I'd rather have a new King's Field like game than Elden Ring 2.
>>737740038>they chase you foreverYeah their enemy design is fucking atrocious.
>>737749368they're difficult in the sense that you're 100% going to eat hits so you absolutely need to either spam ranged attacks/spells and pop mana recovery items or just eat hits in melee and pop health recovery items. it doesn't challenge your gamer skills, it just demands you expend more resources. it's not a very interesting way of ramping up the difficulty.
>>737738634>>737739565Those games are pretty close combat wise to an evolution of KF, but keep in mind both are randomly generated and much more imsimmish or roguelike. Still peak though and would recommend them to anyone.
