>226.32 GBYou've got to be fucking kidding me.
>i'm poorok
My old MSFS 2020 install was over 500gb.
>>737754626Nigga we all poor. Shits gotten stupidly expensive. CPU's GPU's Harddrives, NVME's, The only thing not breaking the bank is PSU's.
ruskie trash
>>737754458do you like having huge details landscapes that cant be compressed to keep framerates high?thats why
>>737755062>do you like having huge details landscapesNo
>>737755126so play something for plebs like Project Wingman or Ace Combat
>>737754458they give you the entire game, all planes , campaigns, maps, everything.then lock it behind a paywall. they dont care if you dont want 95% of it
>>737755175>play a fun game insteadRare good advice on /v/
>>737755264Ace Combat 6 is also being decompiled for PC, missle trails need some work tho.
>>737754654>My old MSFS 2020 install was over 500gb.Most of the addons are hilariously bloated, I end up deleting a lot of skins because they're 2-3GB EACH.Better than my XP11 install that topped 1TB and it was an embarrassingly small chunk of the world (basically just NZ and a few other little islands) with pretty average heightmaps, dodgy satelite texturing and a bunch of community assets piggy backing off of openstreet data to place roads, houses etc and it took a LOT of time to sort out.For all of MSFS 2020's failings as a sim, of which there are many, they did a fucking remarkable job with their world tech and it's a pleasure to be able to just fly and explore basically anywhere at a pretty reasonable level of detail for something like 200~GB for a regular install I think.
>>737755062>do you like having huge details landscapes>DCSThanks for the laugh.
>>737755062>DCS>detailed landscapeslol. It's ancient and looks it.
>>737754654Yeah, same. 2024 wins by default for massively cutting that down, even if it has a ton of issues still.
>>737755216No they don’t. I bought 2 maps and a few planes and my download is almost 400GB
>>737755216I wish that were so, but like the other anon said, every single module adds way more to the install size.
>>737755062>do you like having huge details landscapesAs a DCS enjoyer I can't even let this slide. The maps look like shit, run like shit and are stupidly unoptmized, the devs are lazy, greedy slav faggots.Now lets give the normies/consoles players and thirdies some real nightmare fuel. 226GB is a basic bitch DCS install, that's the bare fucking bones.Then you've got the additional maps.Kola Map: 154 GB Iraq Map: 112 GBFalklands/Malvinas Map: 97 GBAfghanistan Map: 75 GBCaucasus Map: 60 GBThen you have seperate aircraft which are typically 1-5 GB each.A full DCS install would be somewhere in the region of 1.5-2TB.
>>737755348Based N&L anon.
>>737755648Nah it wasn't down to addons, it was just huge + rolling cache. MSFS 2024 only uses something like 7gb now everything is streamed.
>>737754697>decide to check how much the 2TB 990Evo Plus i got last june for 125 euro costs now...>280 euro120% price increase. God fucking damn.
>>737758783>Nah it wasn't down to addons, it was just huge + rolling cache.Oh god damn, I think I had mine set at like 10gb or something, I had no idea it could get that huge, then I again I didn't use photogrammetry in 2020, so that's probably significantly bigger than just streaming the terrain/textures.
>>737756503>single map literally bigger than most gamesHow?
>>737759435Because the install size itself is excellent marketing to retarded boomers who believe that they can see the difference in quality between a 5GB fighter jet and the compressed assets in a 310MB fighter jet.Same reason they'll gladly pay over $10,000 for an amplifier somebody built in his garage from Temu parts. If it's expensive, it must be good.
>>737759435They're basically just bruteforcing old tech with 4K textures and tons of objects at a pretty high fidelity.Biggest ARMA 3 maps are about 1/10th the size of the biggest DCS maps I think (i'm not really including the DCS ones that are just tons of water), so when you start to consider that a big ARMA map is probably in the range of 5-10gb, DCS ones aren't unreasonably huge in their own right (arma obviously has higher res textures at ground level, but it does more prodcedural texturing to), DCS maps just aren't a very elegant solution and truthfully with reduced fidelity more inline with a flight sim, ARMA maps would probably scale better, run better and look better (assuming they can be scaled that big, no idea if they theoretically could be), but rivent counting sim fags (of which I am) would cry because it wasn't photo real to the real location etcI'd personally happily play on massive ARMA style maps if it meant my DCS install wasn't 500gb, but simfags have always been overly obsessed with fidelity to the detriment of playability, it's been a problem for 20+ years and it's both the niches greatest strength and weakness, but it does gatekeep in it's own way which has value.Aint no F2P chink hackers shitting up my 500gb game that cost way to fucking much to buy into and even more in peripherals kek
>>737760881>but simfags have always been overly obsessed with fidelity to the detriment of playability.This right here is why i've started playing more stuff like Nuclear Option....https://store.steampowered.com/app/2168680/Nuclear_Option/..and less sims generally, it's way more inline with old 90's sims that were still games and complete packages like Comanche vs Hokum which had full dynamic war campaigns etc or IL-2 1946 (which I still play a lot of, whereas the newer IL-2 shits me for the same reasons DCS shits me) . Modern sims feel like they've become boomer collectathons and screenshot simulators where they obsess for years over an upcoming single aircraft module or map instead of the overall experience it's meant to simulate. UBOAT is a good example of a modern sim (not quite as good a sim as silent hunter modded, but still quite good) that does a great job of still being a great game as well as a good sim. I want a complete package, not spend years waiting for a single plane that costs $100.
>>737754458>"It's a free game!">Massive SSD required>$100 packs required for every plane
>get close enough to the ground to see the high resolution ground textures >game calls you a retard
just play nuclear option if you can't run it. dcs is goated though.
>>737761910it’s a fucking travesty that all combat sims have devolved into this pokemon collection shit instead of having shit like dynamic campaigns or even scripted ones
>>737756503>>737755786>>737755713>>737755126holy larp, no flightsim comes close to map detail besides microshit, and that requires constant streaming because it's pulling 2 petabytes of terrain data. don't whine about the size then say "uhh it looks like shit", when only one alternative exists and can't even locally store all the data.
Nuclear Option is, somehow, under 3Gb.
>>737763363>only one alternative existsWe already estabilished Ace Combat and Project Wingman are better though
>>737763826kek not even close. you're delusional and they don't cover the same level of fidelity. you may as well say that sonic kart racing is better than gran turismo.
>>737763975>you may as well say the truthbeen doing nothing else ITT
>>737756503The slavification of the flight sim genre has been a travesty. They all feel predatory finanically, are terribly optimized, aren't fun as actual *games*, and feel very sterile/soulless. I mean, look at this 90s ludohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFVOuCWww_ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFg-EZ19_Z8
>>737756503What ticked me off was ED being petty with devs. My AV-8 module is literally fucking useless and has been for years due to a straight refusal to pay the devs.I feel like any third party module I own might just one day become unsupported and wasted money.IL-2 might wipe DCS clean at this point
>>737763321>it’s a fucking travesty that all combat sims have devolved into this pokemon collection shit instead of having shit like dynamic campaigns or even scripted onesEven the civilian flight sims suffer from it, racing sims suffer from it, space sims in the case of star citizen suffers from it, Elite Dangerous to a lesser extent, fucking american truck simulator suffers from it. Non-sim, but sim adjacent stuff like Warthunder is literally built around just being some cancerous collectathon money sink instead of a proper game.I think like this anon said, it's retarded boomers to blame and devs that are more than happy to take advantage of it.>>737760197
>>737764370IL-2 Korea looks really impressive, at least technically. Don't see much hype for it.
>>737756503>Falklands/Malvinas Mapit's the Falklands, faggot.THE map is called South-Atlantic
>>737764972Probably because the retarded devs are trying to charge $100 for the standard edition of the game that only comes with 5 or 6 planes at launch, and they've been prioritizing adding unnecessary world details like tons of NPC's walking around battlefields and cities that are going to make the game run horribly.
>>737765056I think the combination of napalm and civilians has the potential for brilliance
>>737765156Fun? Absolutely. However, like I said, they are murdering their own game's performance in order to have extraneous world details. I have serious doubts it will run well on any setup. Let alone that they are describing some of their launch content as "early access". Tons of red flags with it imo.
>>737764217Everything from the late 90's and early 2000's had so much more soul, everything feels like it was developed with a lot more passion and enthusiasm, their motivations were very different.They were games first, products second.>>737764370My very first experience with DCS was buying the MI-8 (weird choice I know, but I love helis), discovering I didn't get any real game with my DCS and Mi-8 purchase, buying missions for my Mi-8, discovering they were broken and buggy as fuck because they hadn't been updated by the third party devs, finding some user made missions that were shit but at least sorta worked and then wondering what i'd just spent $200 on exactly.Also I own the AV-8 as well but haven't touched DCS in years, so good to know that's fucked.My next experience with a modern sim was the newer IL-2, only I initially bought it for the Tank DLC (again, weird choice I know but I love tanks and try finding a decent tank sim these days), discovering it had a few shit missions with it, lots of which routinely break their scripting, that the sim really was not designed for ground combat (obvious in retrospect, but damn those tank interiors looked good), had nothing in the way proper infantry or ground combat etc, didn't have the fidelity for tank combat and it was again just a shit experience with nice tank models. (Steel Fury is a good old WW2 tank sim if you want one, but it's best mods are gate kept behind a paywall by dodgy ukranians on a dodgy forum and they want you to pay for *every* update). Fucking slavs man.Newer IL-2 in general is pretty solid though, i've got a few other expansions since and it is a better overall game/experience and better value than DCS i'd say, but it's still paypig tier territory and I still find myself going back and playing modded IL-2 1946 more and other old sims because they're just much more complete packages without having to drop hundreds of dollars on honestly pretty mediocre experiences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3uvo2Ohesgsome of these third party module makers for dcs make the coolest fucking trailers for their jets.Fuck give me some f4 kino.
Anyone else absolutely obsessed with flight sims as a kid but can't play them as an adult because it just reminds you that you never pursued your dream of being a pilot?
>>737756503How does DCS compare to MSFS 2020/2024, though? Those use streaming assets for high detail and those are still like 200GB+.
>>737756503DCS capable machine : 1000$.Extra hard drive, 256GB so enough for the game : 40$Game itself : 40$Piloting a Cessna : have to get license and take lessons so probably at least 20,000$
>>737766760>Anyone else absolutely obsessed with flight sims as a kid but can't play them as an adult because it just reminds you that you never pursued your dream of being a pilot?I think that's just getting old in general, i'd say get it out of your system though and certainly don't let it stop you from enjoying things. You probably like the idea of being a pilot a lot more than the reality of it (I like simulating the things I use to do for a living more than I liked doing them for a living), so go and take some flying lessons, maybe get your private pilots license (or equivalent wherever you are), get it out of your system and have that experience you've put on a pedastal, slay that dragon. All up it honestly wouldn't cost you more than a good used car, so very doable if you put some money away over a few years and really want to do it.Then if you find it's still a dream, well you've taken the first steps etc and you'll find the industry is hiring a LOT of older pilots at the moment because boomers are fucking off and dying and young people don't like the absolutely fucked work/ife balance and hours of being a pilot.
>>737766850>How does DCS compare to MSFS 2020/2024, though?Pretty similar honestly with MSFS beating it out in terms of scope and general fidelity, but MSFS does have a LOT more resources behind it so that is expected and DCS has to account for a lot more with respect to military simulation aspects like collision and pathfinding. Although you'll find car mods for MSFS are way fucking better than they have any right to be.>you can't expect DCS to compete with a billion dollar corporation like Microsoft and all it's resources!Someone will cry, and that's true, but X-Plane for example with some third party satellite streaming plugins achieves about 80-90% of what MSFS does and it does it in a very lean, very mean and very cost effective way with a very small studio and that is the direction I think DCS and combat sims in general should go imo and then use that as a basis for everything else.I think Eagle Dynamics just want as many "products" in their pay pig catalogue as possible though, so they're not going to invest in new map tech.
>>737766501>My very first experience with DCS was buying the MI-8 (weird choice I know, but I love helis), discovering I didn't get any real game with my DCS and Mi-8 purchase, buying missions for my Mi-8, discovering they were broken and buggy as fuck because they hadn't been updated by the third party devs, finding some user made missions that were shit but at least sorta worked and then wondering what i'd just spent $200 on exactly.DCS is not really a combat simulator, but a procedures simulator. You paid 200 bucks to accurately experience how to use an authentic Mi-8 flight manual. Falcon 4 was brilliant because they built an impressive military RTS first, then added a flight sim on top of it, so you had an actual game to play.
>>737766760If it makes you feel any better, I did pursue my dream of being a pilot and still haven't gotten hired doing that. Sims are cheaper kek
>>737769608>You paid 200 bucks to accurately experience how to use an authentic Mi-8 flight manual.Painfully accurate, I did really enjoy that aspect of the Mi-8 though, it's got a wild startup sequence and some cool systems to play with so I do appreciate that aspect of DCS...but yeah, the rest is seriously lacking.>Falcon 4 was brilliant because they built an impressive military RTS first, then added a flight sim on top of it, so you had an actual game to play.Falcon 4 would have to be close to if not the best combat flight sim ever and it is for that exact reason, that dynamic campaign was brilliant, the world felt alive oh and that manual. It's been a long time since i've looked into Falcon 4.0 BMS and it's modding scene in general, having a quick look and it looks like BMS is still being actively developed and doing insane things for a 20 year old sim. Time to check it out again.
>>737754458Shit feels so obsolete now.What's the point of $83,000,000 fighter jets when a $50 drone can fly 500 miles undetected and destroy it when its sitting in a hanger?You going to launch a $4,000,000 missile to take out a $50 drone?
>>737754458Falcon BMS costs $7(or nothing if you just pirate Falcon 4.0), install is only 80GB and comes with fully clickable F16 and F15.
Wow, had Falcon 4.0 with the big ass book in the 90's. Surprising people are still modding it.
>>737771629Will this game make me print out the manual, or force me to constantly alt+tab to a PDF? Or can I just open it up in-game
>>737772416Making me kind of nostalgic for Jane's fighters anthology. Played those flight sims alongside stuff like X-wing vs Tie Fighter.
>>737772454>Will this game make me print out the manual, or force me to constantly alt+tab to a PDF? Yes.>Or can I just open it up in-gameNo.
>>737772454>Will this game make me print out the manual, or force me to constantly alt+tab to a PDF? Or can I just open it up in-gameI doubt there's enough forest left on the planet to mill into paper to print a new Falcon 4.0 manual.This is only like 30 pages though and much more doable (and relevant).https://archive.org/details/fast-forward-falcon-bms-4.37
>>737772962>I doubt there's enough forest left on the planet to mill into paper to print a new Falcon 4.0 manual.>when I was a boy we had manuals you could kill a man with
>>737754697But sir, your vote?
>>737771629>only 80gb>for a mod of a 28 year old game>onlyThat's pretty insane if you think about it.
>>737772962Saved, thanks
Deadstick is exactly what I want, but it seems to be stuck in early access dev hell
>>73777137621st century warfare is so fucking lame man.
>>737774169What are those AI sloppa pics?
>>737773937>Deadstick is exactly what I want, but it seems to be stuck in early access dev hellSame, and I check in on it every few months and have for years.........but yeah I don't think it's happening. Although there was some stuff recently that made it seem like it's still being worked on after hearing literally nothing for years so i'm back to being hopeful again and so the cycle of disappointment and hope repeats.If nothing concrete is happening with Deadstick by the end of the year i'll unironically start working on a My Summer Car/Mon Bazou X Canadian/Alaskan Bush Pilot style game. Part mechanic sim, part life sim, lots of flying, jobs etc Get something playable, fun and functional into peoples hands asap, then focus on refining and expanding it.
>>737774670>Mon BazouHow was I not informed of this leafkino?
>>737775451>How was I not informed of this leafkino?It's one of those genres that can be hard to find games in because no one really knows *what* the genre is or what to call it, but everyone knows it when they see it and Mon Bazou is easily one of the best in it.Slaverian Trucker is also bretty good if you don't know about that one.https://store.steampowered.com/app/1822450/The_Slaverian_Trucker/
>>737771629I've heard this is much better than DCS. Is that true?
>>737771376>>737774169This is just a meme that isn't actually true in reality.
