>okay time to play soldier and rocket jumping >dies horribly >switch to medic>doing alright How to git gud as soldier Should I use gunboats if I rocket jump often?Shotgun is ass as soldier
>>737758820You have to beat all rocket jumping maps to git gud with soldier no joke
>soldier retards spend years practicing rocket jumping>right click one time on pyro to invalidate all of thatGround-shooters suck at the game and preform ridiculous acrobatics to compensate for the fact that they just can't aim.
>>737758820>Shotgun is ass as soldiershotgun is the best weapon as any class
>>737758820>Shotgun is ass as soldierYou poor, poor, misguided fool.Blackbox + shotgun is my go-to solo carry option.
I only play on servers with unnerfed air strafing and use the parachute to fly across the map at 100mph uncontested
yes, gunboats are kingif you don't use them then you're basically just a worse demoliterally just jump as often as you can and eventually your technique and tactics will improve
>>737759601with shotgun, Soldier just shoots pyro, he has 25 more HPwithout shotgun:>soldier jumps outside pyro's effective range and kills someone elseor>soldier shoots rockets just outside the hitbox radius of airblast, so the splash hits pyro and it's impossible to reflector>soldier waits until he's up very close and fires rockets at a distance where it's impossible to predictworst case scenario, soldier has 24 rockets, pyro only has 10 airblasts. soldier can outspam pyro from a safe distance all day if he needs to.
>>737758820Just gotta git gud. Practice rocket jumping on jump maps. The gunboats are superior to every other secondary, and rocket jumping is a WAY more fun way to play soldier than waddling.>>737759601Pyros are generally easy to deal with. If a pyro is airblasting you can just walk at him until he panic airblasts and nuke him.>>737759776There is no bigger indicator that someone sucks at the game than using the Blackbox.
>>737760000checkum
I know it's skill issue but>close combat>pull out shotgun>my heartbeat increase, hand is shaking, and miss all shells>dieHow to calm when I use shotgunRockets are okay
>>737758820Rocket jumping is useless 80% of the time unless you have a pocket Medic nearby or you can perfectly time and position yourself to every health pack around the map. The only times it is useful is to jump to higher areas or as a quick way to get to a far away objective ASSUMING there's nobody in your way (think leaving spawn to get to the second point on Badwater). The rollouts are basically suicide bomb runs where you acknowledge you might die but MAYBE you can get their Medic.
>>737760708>anime poster is bad at gamesJust be like the rest of the weeb/furshits in this game and download cheats already.
>>737758820>How to git gud as [easiest class in the game]
>>737761028It's pretty funny to me that people still think furries by and large cheat at vidya, especially TF2, when they have the longest running most successful servers because they don't.
Btw Trap Demo is the only actual role for DemoThose jump around and Piping Demo is fake Demo
>>737760194>until he panic airblasts and nuke himthe best pyros ive played against all do this, they simply cannot deal with a soldier walking at them not shooting their rockets
>>737761389Isn't that would be Heavy?
>>737761463Except they do? 90% of the time you see some cheating fucker they either have an anime or furry PFP. Also, stay in the pound where you belong.
>>737758820>Shotgun is ass as soldierIt's hilarious that some "people" suck so much at a 20 year old casual videogame and use their dogshit takes as cope
>>737761739>90% of the time you see some cheating fuckerIt's some faggot retard spy with a kunai named "助けてください、女性は自分を好きではありません"
>>737761698No because as Heavy you're a fat target, everybody focuses on you instantly, have worse mobility than Soldier overall, can't burst damage, don't have any tech like rocket jumping, and movement/cover is obligatory learning if you want to have any sort of impact on the game.Meanwhile you can W+M1 as Soldier and still make a considerable contribution to the team.
>>737760194A very common pub scenario is needing to maintain pressure without support. If the map has plenty of packs to jump to then stockboats is better but in most cases box + shotgun will allow you to hold a choke more reliably and stay on the objective for longer.That being said I actually have more kills on my original and stock than I do on my black box because I usually play on community servers with players I don't have to solo-carry.
Shotgun is genuinely the best gun in the game.Next to the revolver.
>>737758820whats the point in getting good in a online multiplayer pvp game that havent got an update for more than half a decade and that you cant play for more than 10 minutes
>>737758820you just jump and then you shoot rockets at enemies. the key thing here is that rockets explode and do damage to enemies that are close to the explosion. it's easier to hit people if you are higher up than them. then, you go and get more health and you repeat this. if your rockets didn't kill them, you use the shotgun and shoot them with it. the shotgun does damage so it's good to use against enemy players
>>737762445I'd imagine actually liking the game and not being a parasite that only interacts with vidya to extract money out of it as an advertiser pretending to be a fan on video streaming services.
Banners>>>>Boots>Shotguns>>>>Bison
>>737762445>you cant play for more than 10 minutes?
>>737762359scattergun is a superior shotgun but sniper rifle is still the best hitscan weapon>revolverlmao@spymain
>>737762796His computer cannot handle a game from 2007
>>737762798Actual retard.
>>737762863To be fair TF2 runs like shit nowadays despite looking worse than it did 10 years ago.They just need to shutter the game because its continued existence is borderline pointless.
>>737762293Btw, which is the hardest class?Scout?
>>737762937Some of the halloween maps run a little shitty, but I don't remotely believe anyone who says TF2 as a whole runs poorly when I regularly play it on a steam deck>But the steam dConnected to a monitor in 1080p.
>>737763087SpyHe is just worse scout
Didn't ask.
>>737762879no ugive spy a rocket lawnchair and suddenly he's the best class in the game
>>737763203Spy while I will admit got badly fucked with the spawn wallhacks can mostly be bandaged by disguising as a friendly scout and only disguising as enemy gamers to get past sentries or in places that are a 10 second walk from spawn and nests.Real hardest class is pyro since he got intentionally buttfucked by all the changes from jungle inferno to "fix" him (make stupid youtubers who decided he was the worst class in the game stop dying to him)
>>737758820stop pretending youre in an epic frag video and need to rocket jump every 2 seconds, play him the way he was designed to which is spamming rockets down a corridor like a braindead ape>Shotgun is ass as soldierlol
>>737759740Then how come banana is better than shotgun? Check mate tiny little man
>>737763632banana isn't a weapon, it's a lunch box item
>>737763632in a perfect world lunchbox items would have their own slot and I wouldn’t be forced to choose between family business and the nanner
>>737763632Sandvich and banana genuinely are only about as good as shotgun if the map has terrible health placement.Steak is unironically more competitive for the slot since you can use it as a mobility tool and if you know where mini health packs are, easily recharge it AND convert them into medium health packs.
>>737760708play more scout skill with scattergun generally applies to stock shotty
>>737758820Learn to pogo and wall jump and aggressively drop on the medic of the opposing team. Nothing else matters just kill him and you'll benefit the team.
So if I use shotguns, which should I pick?Shotgun, reserve shooter, and panic attackI use shotgun and panic attack most of time
>>737758820Practice. Rocket jump and fly around corners, either Bomb or Market Garden their Medic. Doesnt matter if you survive. Don't bother with Snipers, they don't win matches. Except on Hightower, then you are contractually obligated in blood to Market and Stomp every sniper you see.
>>737764190Shotgun works all the time everywhere. Try reserve shooter with the Liberty Launcher and you are now a combo class like Pyro. Panic Attack lives up to it's name, if you can dive, panic attack someone, then get out of there, go panic.
>>737764190Panic attack is strictly speaking a direct upgrade to stock and was made as such for a youtuber, but this really only plays out when fighting a soldier or a heavy and if you're not gay, use stock.Reserve shooter is nice if you frequently touch tips with other rocket jumping soldiers or want to fuck with blast jumping demos.
>>737760000>>737760194>>737761670>squirt shots you in face
>>737764401>Try reserve shooter with the Liberty LauncherI tried before and knew why rarely see combo soldier
>>737764527Also crush uncle dane's head in with a brick and give me my funny bazaar bargain shotgun back
>>737764542Meme for pyros who can't aim, you get better results with classic flare gun if you can hit your shots
>>737759601Tell me that youre bad at the game w/o telling me ur bad at the game.
>>737764693because some youtuber called it a "meme-weapon" doesn't makes it bad. i'd said its the best flare in game
>>737764527Panic attack as engineer in particular feels great>sneak up on a heavy from behind>crit him with melee, immediately swap to panic attack and blow his brains out before his teammates get a chance to reactThe extra 20% overall damage combined with the faster deploy speed is just too good to pass up on.
>>737764851Yes, we just established it's a direct upgrade to stock and a non-decision.You're still a homosexual for using it.
>>737765059Indeed I am a colossal faggot, I even have an unusual one
>Nobody suggests Air strike and jumperThat nerf still hurts
>>737764190I really like the reserve shooter. Reduced ammo does not feel like a real downside most of the time because if you whiff 4 shots your probably dead anyways
>Eyelander>Persian Persuader>Claidheamh MòrWhich way demoman?
>>737764401Liberty launcher is such dogshit.May as well be launching wads of wet paper towels at people.If it had a switch speed bonus maybe it'd be usable as a combo tool
>>737766309pan
>>737765667Jumper is still perfectly usable for making yourself unhittable. Good air strafing is absurdly strongThe things that they actually nerfed with the thing weren't what they said in the patch notes (aside from only getting 1 deploy per jump). It was a bunch of stuff relating to air friction and air control, prenerf jumper allowed you to reach scout speed without even a rocket jump, literally just jumping and air strafing.
>>737763087I'm the original anon you're replying to.In my opinion yeah Scout because you need to be able to survive which is much harder than it sounds. There is a lot of movement/map knowledge that is needed to play Scout efficiently, just like Heavy. I would say that the problem is 1:1 and both classes are fragile in this regard. Then there's the question of what are you able to do as a scout? Pushing objective is the easiest thing to do but what the enemy is most able to counter, while disrupting the backline or diverting the enemy's attention is much harder to do but much harder for them to counter.Spy is easier imo because you can at least guarantee a kill on almost any class, which depending on the skill level of the player can tip the game's balance in your team's favour until they respawn. Same with distracting Engineers so that friendly Demos or Soldiers can destroy their buildings (lesser chance of sappers actually destroying their stuff unless they're bad Engineers/team). Also, your existence takes some concentration % from the enemy players away to be aware for you rather than focus on whatever they would do otherwise. Finally the cloak is a good escape crutch in case you do fuck up a backstab run, but it's not as simple as "whoopsie I missed let me keep walking in a straight line while cloaked".I know people will shit on this next point because they're post-f2p niggerfaggots, but Sniper can be the hardest class to play IF you can't aim. There are two other issues which compound this: (1) MOST TF2 maps are relatively close quarters compared to other games with sniper weapons so unless you're on long sections of payload maps (like Upwards) the difference in distance and amount of motion needed to secure a headshot can vary a lot. Unlike other games where headshots aren't necessary and ranges are adequate. (2) most TF2 classes' gameplay is very twitchy so unless you're a hacker or equally twitchy it's very difficult to get a headshot.
How do I git gud with Soda Popper?Been too used to scattergun and I cant take on anything 2+ v 1
>>737766309claid gives you damage vulnerability for very little payout.persian basically forces you to wear booties, and pure demoknight with stock stats isn't that great unless you're into the trimping autism. but that kinda relies on tide turner, and that shield works better with a bottle anyway.eyelander is the only option. you gain max health on kill, but more importantly, you gain speed. his hitboxes are already bullshit during a charge, and extra speed means killing niggas from even further away.they also never patched this speed and health bonus still applying when you don't have a shield on, so you can feasibly go pure demoknight for a while and then run back to spawn to grab your sticky launcher and shit on everybody even harder as a buffed up normal demoman. eyelander needs a nerf just like equalizer needed a nerf.
>>737766843eyelander is balanced by random crits forcing you to go through the rigamarole of collecting heads at a disadvantage again
Personally, Demo's the best melee is scullcutter
>>737766309Eyelander for when kunai faggots appear>oh you're using dead ringer?>thanks for the free head!
>>737767113Bottle/pan crits so frequently as is I feel like in comparison the extra bit of damage on the skullcutter barely matters most of the time. The holster and move speed penalty feels like pure ass.
>>737766981a player shouldn't be only susceptible to death by random crits, that's not balance. he also completely nullifies melee crits anyway because he simply has more range and can outrun everyone except the scout.imagine if the sniper had enough survivability to shrug off all non-crit damage. that's fucked.
>>737767346dr is such unfun weapon to fight against and what most disappointing is that it can be countered by a single button
>>737767442If your team is so bad that youre willingly giving away 4+ heads you deserve to get shit on.Tons of things hard counter eyelander demo (pyro, heavy, sentries, all forms of explsoive knockback, scout), and scout ALWAYS shits on demo regardless of his loadout.Simply click on him or kick your spy if its obvious that he's feeding the guy heads.
>>737758820half of it is simply knowing where the medpacks are so you can top up faster
>>737766309Golfclub because the entire premise is hilarious and the kill logo is funny.Before the update where you could resheath it, the Genuine Half-Zatoichi was my go-to.
>>737768285underrated reskinneeds an australium
>>737768513Way too many fucking weapons dont have a strange version, reskins included.My strange collection has holes in it that cannot be filled.
>>737768605will never not be mad they left the dragon’s fury to rot
>>737768768>uselesscancer loadout db/dr/kunai spy making the whole enemy team seethe is useful
>>737758820Shotgun is not bad, but i can't justify not carrying the battalion's backup to prevent snipers from oneshotting me from across the map
>>737758820I'm still a shitter but I improved at a very specific jumping map and I don't even know how because I don't feel like I'm doing anything different.Used to not be able to stabilize a wall pogo at all, and now the hardest jump in the course for me (hard pogo 8) I can do in a few minutes.The only thing I can say is keep trying and trying.
As a medic main I hate rocket jumping. I can't follow you if you're role playing as a f-22 raptor
>>737758820Shotgun is bad unless you either have a pocket medic or you're top 1% MGE player. Gunboats for open maps, banners for close quarter maps.
>>737772030If I'm calling med on gunboats it's because I want a crit buff not a pocket.
>>737758820Soldier is low IQ splash damage class. You must be really shit anon
>>737766309Half zatoichi is objectively the best full demoknight melee. It's the only one that will consistently help you escape from good players similar to the kunai.
>>737764693degreaser pyro is an actual memeplenty viable, but still a memet. backburner main
>>737759601soldier pyro matchup is like 70:30.if you are losing to pyros you are a shit soldiet.
>>737772030Quick fix isnt that good but if your team is all jumpers you may as well indulge in a little bit of fun
>>737762019this lmao, ive seen only a handful of scripting furries in the last ten years
>>737772869>t. gets farmed the moment he goes against players with situational awareness
>>737758820Practice on practice juggle maps. This is even more important than getting good at rocket jumping. You must also learn when to retreat and where healthkits spswn. Default loadout is the best pretty much, soldier didnt get any straight upgrades like every other class got. He only got very situational sidegrades
>>737773025hmmm... nah. youre thinking of those phloggers
>>737760708Carb the fuck up
>>737773084without degreaser you get shit on by every other combat class.
>>737773041>shovel is bestBe realistic, you're either running the meme spoon, whip, or escape plan.
>>737773163thats why im on the flank. burning those backs, yknow?
>>737763228Smash
>>737767545>I get mad when I lose the videogameYeah that happens to me too sometimes, buddy.
>>737773317i assume you're a spygger
>>737773431Only correct in the sense that I like to shoot DR Kunai spies with the enforcer and then get accused of cheating in the chat.Invisiwatch is just straight up better than DR, and it's not only because mine has a cool duck on it
>>737773778i see... a quackenbirdt enjoyer
>>737773250Depending on map you're either praying the enemy team has a nonexistant flank watch or that they won't see you slowly waddling over an open field.
>>737773902sounds like a bit of a skill issue, im afraid. enjoy your flarepunches and ill enjoy my back crits
>>737758820shotgun on soldier is giga comfy because it lets you always keep that 1 rocket loaded to jump back out. jump at the enemy, airstrike, shotgun to clean up up close, escape to the healthpack/medicunless you're being pocketed or have 100s of hours on the class the other secondaries aren't as useful as just remembering where the health pack is because having another weapon to kill people with will lower the damage you take way more cuz dead enemies do 0 damage
>>737772941As someone who loves playing medic, quick-fix is better if your team is retarded and no one can take full advantage of a full uber, at least it helps keeping the entire team alive
>>737774082>enemy players having their monitors turned on is a skill issue
how are people so fucking bad at this game, bro?
>>737774385>>737764542
>>737774304Quick fix's healing amount pales in value to the vaccinator when used to tank with the crossbow but the vac is so dirty to use. I remember just last week I was using it to tank 3 heavies and a soldier kritz without breaking a sweat this shit shouldn't have been possible even with stock uber.What the actual fuck were they thinking?
>>737774623>In retard hypothetical land youAmputator on a 100 player server with a map specifically with a vscripted brush you can stand on that has you occupy the space above every teammate every frameShut the fuck up
>>737758820hop on jump_academy and lose your life to the movement tech rabbit holehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfT9_SJK1e8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYma6tXnQQs
>>737768965You can dominate noobs with basically anything, doesn't mean spy is not the worst class.
>>737763632lunches are a crutch for players who haven't figured out where the map healing isbeing at full health is not even that important anyway, what's important is the implication that you could have up to 450 health and the enemy has to choose whether to gamble against that when facing you
>>737775717>class with the worst mobility in the game>health is not importantshotgun heavies are delusionaltry playing without your med boyfriend pocketing you for once
>>737776201even with a pocket shotgun heavy is painful because you cant throw a medkit at them
>>737774803Megaheal provides 100.8 hp/sec. For 8 seconds, then needs to be built up again from 0%.Vaccinator bubble makes all healing effectively 4 times stronger. paired with crossbow provides a minimum of 75 health per bolt at a rate of 1.5 per second, or an effective 200 hp/sec (but its burst healing instead of streamed). Individual bubbles also last an extra half second and uber % can be built during the active deployed charge.It is not hard to healtank with bolts unless you have shit aim. This medigun is stupid strong as it is without bolts but the crossbow pushes it from unpleasant to disgusting.
>>737777336Fuck off means fuck off retard
>>737777373You're the moron claiming the quick fix is the best.Walk off a pier anytime.
>>737772941How do you even jump with it, every time I used it it flung me away from the soldier or even if I more or less followed his trajectory I'd fly way past the intended landing zone.Like I get rocket jumping myself and I get that classes have different weights, but q-f jumping just never clicked.
>>737777654Move in the same direction as your pocket when he begins the jump and air strafe to not overshoot your landing
>>737774304there are only 2 situations I would ever use QF in and they're both extremely niche1. My team is playing super aggressively and eating tons of damage but my power classes are so incompetent stock uber is doing basically nothing2. There's another medic and we need KB immunity to deal with engie/pyro spamOutside of that QF is garbage. The moment someone with 2 brain cells goes demo or soldier it's a downgrade. Valve really needs to remove the flashing penalty on the uber it's so bad at its intended role it's not even funny. Also it's been 15 fucking years why is QF not blocking caps still not fixed?
>>737763632I regularly top score as a shotgun heavy whenever I feel like memeing. It's called fat scout for a reason, it's not about waltzing into a meat grinder like you usually would with a pocket med, it's about silently flanking and creating an impassable wall of 1v1-ing a 300 hp guy that no scout or soldier can actually outdamage at close range. Pure numbers, you shit on a scout in 2 shots, he needs 3 to kill you.You shit on a soldier in 3 shots, he needs 4(rockets or shells, unless he's a dhfag) to kill you.Pyros aren't a threat since most can't even use their flamers as a more potent dps source than a shotgun. You still win even if you take a full afterburn.You can actually walk up to a medic and kill him before his pocket can kill you. Doubly effective if you walk at him with FoS and smartly surf explosives IN.
>>737776201heavy with a shotgun is not as ballbustingly slow as revved up heavy, which is the main speed people think of when they think of walking to health kitstalk a walk, tubby
>>737777828Nah, me and sold could be walking in a straight line and trying to clear a tiny ledge, like non-crouch rocket jump, and it would send him to the correct spot while I'm going vertically straight up, or even slightly away from the ledge. It just never works for me.
>>737778446>muh damagethere is no situation where shotgun is killing faster then a revved up minigun and if you are getting caught unrevved that's a skill issue.>>737778769>heavy with a shotgun is not as ballbustingly slow as revved up heavybut still very slow. you are still going to eat tons of damage in any close range fight and shotguns damage output is too low to make the tradeoff worth it.
>>737779124>there is no situation where shotgun is killing faster then a revved up minigunThere is in a post-damage rev up nerf world
>>737779462damage penalty goes away after 1s of being revved.
>>737779552>1 whole second of combatMight as well be 1 year
>>737779813welcome to playing heavy. if you don't have the patience for it stay a jump revving tomislav tard and wonder why you can't win heavy duels or do anything without a pocket med babysitting you.
>>737763228>>737773309JIGGLY, WHEEZING, SQUEAKY 175HP OF PURE SEX
>>737779124I like how you immediately discarded my entire post and went back to simple minded "hur damage". Like I hate "heavy mains" because while the heavy isn't a stereotypical giant loud retard, his "mains" certainly are. On top of that you're the perfect example of the most retarded brainless gorilla that actually can't play anything other than heavy because he's actually too stupid to understand aiming and clicking m1 as opposed to holding m1.You don't go head to head with a revved heavy. I literally said it, don't walk into a meat grinder. You win 100% of encounters with an unrevved heavy. You can easily win against a distracted revved heavy.It's not hard. You can hear him spin up. You can hear him continuously spun up. Even tomislav has that distinct sound whenever a heavy prepares to fire, you can hear it and know when not to approach. And if by some miracle you walk into a heavy that spincrawls literally everywhere(why do I feel like you actually are that kind of ape?) you still have a fucking speed advantage to run behind a corner and either escape or prepare to counterrush him - using mindgames to trick him into unspinning to run for his epic jumprev and shitting on him.And you're moving the goalpost, it's not about shotgun being a better main weapon than the fucking minigun, you retard. Actually fucking killbind.
>>737780056Don't tell him to change, I enjoy shitting on Tomislav heavies and their pockets with my stock minigun.
I pulled a $300 unusual, what color would look best on it? Probably just black or Team Spirit but I'm considering Balaclavas or Lab Coat too
>>737775717>players who haven't figured out where the map healing isWhy the fuck would you assume you're playing a map with reasonable health pickup amounts and locations, and that none of the other 23 players (including 11 allied meat shields/idiots) have taken it, rather than being able to heal 2/3 of your health every 10 seconds no questions asked? Upkeep is the Heavy's best friend.
>>737780323>Like I hate "heavy mains" because while the heavy isn't a stereotypical giant loud retard, his "mains" certainly areHeavy is not even in my top 5 most played. He is a piss easy 1 dimensional class if you have a brain but tomislav jumprev disease has given heavy players everywhere brainrot.>it's not about shotgun being a better main weapon than the fucking minigun, you retardAs opposed to what? your only other option for mobility is GRU which obviously is not doing any damage and compared to any minigun shotguns are nerf guns.Your delusion is thinking going from snail speed to sloth speed suddenly gives you godmode and makes giving up 550dps worth it. This is all a big cope for your shit positioning or you being too impatient to stay revved.Keep cowering and shitting your pants in a corner while I slaughter your team.
>>737780989>makes giving up 550dps worth it.Virtually only relevant in mvm.
>>737781113
Heavy's the best melee is holiday punch
>>737780989It's funny because heavies like you are just not mentally equipped to deal with a fat scout. Like I've seen unusual sporting heavies baffled by my heavy's ability to jump because at point blank they always aim low down at the legs. What's even funnier is their reaction to seeing their med dropped, for some reason they literally start spinning around looking around for spies, and sometimes look up searching for a non-existent bombing soldier or demo even if they should see me in the corner of their vision.>he's a wojakniggerwew lad
>>737766309shield + pipes simple as
>>737780582I would take that without the glowy effect, I love winter themed outfits.
>>737781542>Like I've seen unusual sporting heavies baffled by my heavy's ability to jump because at point blank they always aim low down at the legsgonna need a mann co key to uncrate this mess>implying unusuals have any relevancy to player skill>implying players are actually baffled by jumping>implying people are for some reason aiming DOWN at the tiny, rapidly moving legs, and not the gigantic barrel torso center of mass>implying jumping does anything other than make you an easily predictable skeet target for anyone with two brain cells (see also: scout vs soldier)
>>737781732You know for someone who accuses others of coping you sure do it a lot Z
>>737780056Don't pretend I don't know how minigun damage dealing works you fucking philistine, I was the one who brought it up>have to play jump rev or walk or the whole gameor>pack shottyEasy choice
>>737758820Soldier's glaring weakness is that his rocket launcher only has 4 rockets before reloading. Just reload like a cuck before engaging.If the situation calls for 4+ rockets, just switch to demo.
>/v/ is hipster enough to actually argue that shotgun is good on heavy and 'fat scout' is anything but a meme for 2fort childrenWhat the fuck is this thread?
why tf2 runs like shit now despite being a game from 2007?
>>737781892>Someone with a guaranteed max health advantage on anyone will do good with a gun that kills 7/9 enemy gamers in 2 shots
>>737781892TF2C devs REALLY want to push fat scout artificially by nerfing sandvich to the ground.
Scout is fun.
Sorry but i only play fun loadouts like huntsman, carbine, bushwhacka then go 3/10 and find a new match until i get my dopamine of killing multiple people with bushwhacka crits.
>>737781975>actually assuming you're going to get a 90 damage meatshot with every shotAre you playing with nospread, or do you think you're a Scout who can actually reliably get in close enough for meatshots?
I JUST FUCKED THE WORLD'S FATTEST MAN
>>737782110>Are you playing with nospread, or do you think you're a Scout who can actually reliably get in close enough for meatshots?I'm the man with the shotgun currently behind you
>>737781542>t.
>>737781819>pack shotty>still get farmed by anyone who isn't playing with their eyes closed>have to constantly give up good positioning because you have no source of healing
>>737758820Never go it alone, always move in a group with support and offense classes. You do better in numbers, solo moments work best when you have opportunities to flank.If you suck with the shotgun just equip one of the backpacks, buff banner is great for pressure, battalion's backup is good for dealing with strong offense from the other team, and concheror is good for speed buff and getting some health back.You absolutely need to get decent at rocket jumping though if you ever want to play this class well.
Shotgun on heavy is fine, but the value of having that shotgun is less consistent than the value you’d get from having a banana in your pocketa low health heavy is useless with a minigun or shotgun
>>737782197autohopper absolutely bullethosedlove to see it
>>737782364I don't think the buff banner is a particularly great choice for a struggling newcomer because its effect is only useful if you can regularly survive long enough to use it. The others are alright crutches I guess, but I think he'd be better off flailing the shotgun around until he figures it out.
>>737760000>soldier waits until he's up very close and fires rockets at a distance where it's impossible to predictyou just have to feel it out, man. FEEEEEEEL it out. i respect the digits though
>>737781732>>implying unusuals have any relevancy to player skillOf course they don't. It's just that it's mainly people who have a lot of hours on heavy that actually buy or keep a heavy unusual. Hours = experience. I never mentioned skill because we're already talking about "heavy mains", there is no skill to be had.>>implying players are actually baffled by jumpingAt point blank it's enough to avoid a chunk of damage. I guess you wouldn't know.All players associate certain behaviors with certain classes as a way of streamlining split-second decision making, countering them. It's simply how our brains work when dealing with patterns like that. Very complicated stuff, I'm sure you don't get it. And almost everyone expects heavy duels to be dps grinddowns, so once again, a heavy jumping at point blank is an unexpected behavior.>>implying people are for some reason aiming DOWN at the tiny, rapidly moving legs, and not the gigantic barrel torso center of massBuddy, heavy's legs ain't moving rapidly. And everyone aims at his distended gut, you still clear that with a crouch jump because his legs are just so tiny. Once again, this is in point blank.>>implying jumping does anything other than make you an easily predictable skeet target for anyone with two brain cells (see also: scout vs soldier) When you're seen approaching. And the point is to not be seen.
Sanvich, Jarate, Ubersaw, etc are such dominant weapons in their respective classes slots that its retarded to even argue about this because i can count how many shotgun heavies i fought the past week on one hand that arent clearly F2P. Coincidentally i played a dustbowl match 2 days ago with a cheating shotgun heavy who would whip around and delete you no matter if you ambushed him or not. So yeah theyre also pussies who wont cheat using their minigun.
you need to know when and how to rocket jump properlyif you have good map sense and can aim properly you can apply pressure everywhere
>>737782597just playing russian roulette at that point. that fight could have easily gone the other way if he held his rockets a bit longer.
>>737763087heavy because he's a slow moving target that people can easily focus on. i looked at my longest life stat and i was surprised it belonged to scout since i barely play him.
>>737778131>Also it's been 15 fucking years why is QF not blocking caps still not fixed?I'm more confused by the removal of ability to cap while ubered.Triple healing is too weak to warrant the nerf, especially when Vaccinator and Kritzkrieg exist
I use aimbot to place sappers
>>737782695>At point blank it's enough to avoid a chunk of damage. I guess you wouldn't know.NTA but you could do the same shit by crouching without giving up any damage at all and at best you are avoiding maybe 1 pellet from a skilled heavy. Not going to make a difference unless it's a perfectly even fight.
>>737782197>clearly comp environment>that heavy is clearly repeatedly jump revving making his presence known to people 2 servers over>player is clearly aware there's an enemy approaching through having functional game audio or by communicating with his team via smoke signalsI don't understand what were you hoping to convey here.
>>737782779oh no you're right it absolutely could have, but if someone is playing pyro and not going for that 50/50 reflect they should be ashamed because you only get to pull it off once on a good player before they wise up but damn does it feel good when it happensafter all your main goal playing pyro should be to make the enemy team angry
>>737782707Ubersaw is a sad because I always used Vita Saw until it became literally a worse Ubersaw
>>737782779When it's a soldier that doesn't know you're there, you're preying on his reaction time and impulsive urge to pull the trigger.Against a soldier that already knows you are there, it's a lot harder for both of you since you no longer have the element of surprise.
>>737782597Man, an airblast that close is so satisfying
>>737782796back in the day it was deemed super cancerous to be able to stand on the cap with knockback immunity (it's not really that big of a deal).and valve, for some reason, coded it so that being under the quick-fix's megaheal just removes your body from being considered as "on the point", instead of just treating you the same way that ubered players are when they're on the point.
>>737783024Spending organs to do a quick heal would probably just turn it into worse crossbow but medic is fucked anyway, nerfing crossbow would accomplish nothing so just make his other options less bad.
>>737782895>that's comp it doesn't count!!
>hold spin up (all miniguns) for 5 seconds to activate an aoe (buff banner sized) speed debuff that slows enemies in range, goes away once you stop spinning up >all sniper rifles only charge while dot is held on an enemy's head, charge if lost if your dot comes off their head before you shoot
>>737783246Lmao, you are seething, my boy. Take a chill pill and eat a fucking sandvich.
>>737783312Just undo the ramp up nerf for heavy and give him natural damage resist on all his miniguns not just two
>>737783246How did that heavy jump that high
>>737783462>>737783312>make heavy who is already a monster at close range even stronger>do nothing to fix his actual problem (being boring)
>>737783530bullet knockback
>>737783540It's not about being stronger at close range, it's about positioning. Being an Ubered Heavy going in to a choke and choosing which enemies to leap after/hold down for my team sounds fun.
>>737783640now imagine you are on the receiving end and you are being stunlocked in place
>>737783312>make every minigun natascha, not require aim, or even the heavy's awarenessthis isn't a moba fuck off
>>737782590That's a good point. Or just equipping gunboats while they figure out rocket jumping.
>Scouts finally realizing the power of mad milk>Your teammate walks at him and gives him all his HP back
>>737782590I would run black box/conch for a newbie. Sure it's braindead but you can be reasonably effective without an overheal or relying on rocket jumping while you figure out how to zone correctly.
>>737783802i'll never give up my pocket pistol
>>737783614Ah, I honestly don't know anything about heavy, probably played him like a few hours out of 3k(I think), I just feel so defenseless and open, I pop out of spawn and instantly get backstabbed, juggled, sniped or mowed down by another heavy, it will always be a mistery to me.
>>737783802>throw mad milk on 5 players>get zero value from it because my team are all afk while I'm having to 1v12I'll stick to the PBPP thanks. The only time I want mad milk over a pistol is against heavies and that's not a frequent enough occurrence to justify it.
>>737783802mad milk has been absolutely busted OP since day 1I have no idea how they thought 75% lifesteal was acceptable (current day it's 60%).
>>737783832>>737783915Well yeah the pocket pistol is powerful too but scout really is spoiled for 2nd slot choices
>>737782038That's strange, I don't remember making this post.
>>737783854>backstabbeduse headphones and just check behind you more frequently. don't stand in spots where a spy can decloak and get to your back in <2s. stand in front of your team so spy has to risk being shot walking up to you or getting traded after you die. sometimes you'll have to take the gamble leaving your back open to win a crucial team fight.as for trickstabbers look up how trickstabs and lag compensation works on youtube and you'll never die to them ever again.>juggledjump less and hold crouch when you're about to take knockback. against most weapons you'll either be launched further away to safety or against pyros it will send you at a lower angle making it easier to finish off the pyro.>snipedfists of steel when crossing open areas. mix up your movement. don't get greedy and peek when you don't have to.>mowed down by another heavybe prerevved, shoot first, have better positioning, and get a buff first if possible.
For me it’s shortstop + crit-a-cola
>>737781521Never fails to make me laugh when some Heavy announces that he has it equipped and then sometime during the match hear a laugh and/or see this kill icon (or the taunt kill but that's gay and inefficient).On a related note The Schadenfreude is the best fucking taunt in the entire game since its addition and I use it at every opportunity even if at the cost of my own life.
>finally get kinda good with the detonator>immediately get rage switches to the darwin's danger shieldFuck these pathetic cunts seriously. If Valve ever updates the balance again I hope it's specifically to delete this item.
>>737781521Discovering that it can actually go through ubers was so life changing
>>737786050wish granted. the razorback now also applies 50% fire damage resistance and afterburn immunity
>>737786182you joke but that's literally what they did to the chargin' targe for like 2 years and it was cancer.
>>737786050I think the best iteration of the danger shield was the original one, if you ignore the set bonus existing.
>>737786114Ive done this to people with thousands of hours and theyre like "nobody has tried that".It is really one of the best defensive melees in the game but not in a fists of steel way theyre different kinds of defense
>>737786291>no headshot set>fully charge sydney shitter bodyshots on enemy snipers>"ez">mfw the ensuing saltfarm
iron bomber > stock
>>737786291I'm honestly sick of the pretend conversations we have about the set bonuses.Anyone genuinely saying a sniper with the launch sydney sleeper, bushwacka and danger shield is overpowered legitimately has no fucking clue what they're talking about.
>>737786739It used to be definitively until they fixed the hitbox being gigantic. Its the best hybrid knight weapon though.
>>737786739idc still using stocklooks better and bigger explosions
>>737786805I was not claiming that specific loadout was overpowered, but I do think the set bonuses had to go. Sadly ever since they did remove them the danger shield has just become more annoying for different reasons.
>>737786739loose cannon is king
>>737786739luv me non-rolling rollers
>>737786895>but I do think the set bonuses had to go.The most I'd be willing to squeeze on this would be saying that the hat requirement should go.For all the mongoloid screeching about readability ignoring why hats were a part of item sets and given a specific crafting recipe it's pretty obvious why they were required.
>>737786805One of the reasons valve gave for removing set bonuses outside of the hat requirement were that you wouldnt know at a glance if an enemy had all the weapons from that set equipped. Its obvious the hat requirement was the backlash though.
I really like the idea of the back scatter but genuinely I see no reason to use it when you can just so the same gameplay style with the classic scattergun and not be choked by the smaller magazine size
>>737786739It's fun because you can use them as stickies.I sometimes use bomber, sticky jumper and caber like this, slam an iron bomb near a sniper and swing the caber as it explodes.
>>737758820This is my soldier, his design is meant to be like 'Similar to the original design, but slightly cooler'. That's why he's got the original helmet, and nothing too colourful or silhouette breaking. If you look at his mouth, he has a cigar which is pretty cool too.
>>737786805no one ever called it overpowered, but it was very stupid. the fact that it forced other snipers into a bodyshot war while having the superior bodyshot rifle is like if demoknight could force his opponents to melee him. demoknight isn't that good, but he's by design better than every class at this 1 specific thing.
>>737788476nice santa claus belt, dweebis that the wizard jacket your mom knit you?
Objectively speaking spy is the worst class, only shitters and trolls disagree.
Spy is quite fun in MvM
How do you even play spy? I can't walk for more than 5 seconds without having sit my ass down
>>737789938equip l'etrangeralternatively don't use the cloak and dagger
>>737782912>your main goal playing pyro should be to make the enemy team angryi think a lot of people dont realize this and that is why they think the scorch is bad. the amount of retreats and psychic damage you inflict by applying constant full afterburn is super high value
>>737790185>faggot soldier gets movement locked by scorch one too many times>he now constantly jumps directly at you just to try to get the trade in the middle of your teamfeels good man
>>737789938Fight on the front lines with the revolver, use dead ringer to bail out of bad situations, only backstab the most braindead enemies like scoped snipers, only sap if the engineer tending to buildings is gone
>>737789938use the stock invis watch. pick up ammo to recharge it. if you use l'etranger you should be invisible 100% of the time until you're in position to go for a stabremember that you're playing against human players that can and will get paranoid. you aren't playing a fucking stealth vidya where the guards have no concept of object permanence.above all else, recognize when it's time to switch off spy and do something else.>too many spies>enemy too paranoidby all means, just go play a frontliner class who can kill things by clicking on their faces while they're still looking for a spy that doesn't exist anymore
>>737788730It's stylistic. It's cool. It's also practical; as it keeps his pants up. You just want his pants to fall down, don't you? Keep your wild homoerotic fantasies to yourself please.
>>737787237>you wouldnt know at a glance if an enemy had all the weapons from that set equipped.what a non-answer. wheres my visible models for every holstered weapon, valve? how could i possibly know that scout has a pistol or a mad milk the instant i see him? simply getting rid of the hat requirement would have been perfectly fine. you might fool everyone on the other team one time maximum
>>737789318Tbh I do only switch to spy to troll engies. their bodyguards are the most annoying part
>>737791648To this day I still don't know why the homewrecker exists.
>>737791843It was made to further counter spy But also I guess in case you caught an out of position engineer carrying a turret and he out it down before you could kill him so maybe you could whale on it and hopefully destroy it before it deploys?Hard to think what the ideal case is from Valve
>>737789938Watch spy movies and listen to spy songs
>>737789938act natural and face away from enemy spawn when disguised and don't stare at lone enemies looking your directionpractice this
>>737790716>Know when to stop playing spyThis is the most important advice anybody can give you unless youre literally cheating and getting facestabs You just have to know when to finally swap to another class after your 50th failed attempt to kill 1 guy
There's gotta be a reason for the sniper infestation. when you see 5-4 snipers in your team you know you're getting stomped
