creditfeed shmupsshitclear shmups2ALL shmupsnmnb shmupshiscore shmups
>>737777176No thanks.
play hellsinker
any tips how to make Ketsui look better on MAME, it looks so washed out and blurry am i supposed to play in a small window or something?
>>737777468Huh? Turn off bilinear filtering I guess???
Not really a fun genre. Mostly just memorization shit. I beat Zero Ranger for lore reasons and played a few 2hu games + some piss1 shmups but I wouldn't even call ot a good or fun genre. It's just kinda there
>>737777679stick to vns retardo
>>737777679How does one actively avoid playing every single good shmup? It's like trying to get into platformers through Jak and Daxter and Blinx instead of Mario and Mega Man. This speaks volumes about your shit taste in general.
>>737777679>I don't like it so it's bad
>>737777765I play VNs but I'm also a top level comp gamer. I play things that take actual skills rather than just memorization. >>737777796Name good games then. Lemme guess you just LOVE DDP Garegga CAVE Ikaruga etc and they're so good /unique comapred to other games that are literally just the same thing. >>737777804Yes, I'm objectively correct 100% of the time.
>>737778017>OP false flag larpingWhy can't we ever just have a normal ass shmup thread?
>>737778064Not everything in life is a false flag. I just posted my opinion out of boredom to kill time at work.
>>737778017>top level compgame(s)?
wish there was something between creditfeeding and 1CC autism in the genre since I enjoy them but I also don't want to be a 300 lb smelly fuck with no social life
>>737777679Yeah it's the routing genre. The action is pure, cause it's so simple, that's why the action get be so much more intense. There are very few mechanical impediments to the player, almost nothing to learn except the patterns of enemies and bullets.
>>737778276Currently just Eternus in Deadlock, but I'm challenger/immortal/top 500 etc whatever peak in a bunch of games/ genres. Overwatch, dota, SF/tekken, Apex, and more obscure shit too. As far as non mechanical games I'm Saint in Mahong soul, I played in international tournys for SV and had that stint with TFT unfortunately.
>>737778337Pick a number of continues you want to allot yourself and only use that many. Try and get further and further.Once you can clear the game, if you want to keep pushing, you can see how few continues you can clear it with. From there you can go for the 1cc if you want.This is usually how doujin shmups and stuff work, where it's an arcade formula but intended to be played at home. It'll have continues but it'll cut you off after a few.
>>737778362I agree shmups have beautiful set pieces, but I need more than that to sate how I feel about games. I think it's very akin to the spectacle of jrpgs, but with slightly more execution.
>>737778470The second you said mahjong I instantly knew you were shit at all those other games.
>>7377783371cc'ing is not autism, you just don't know how to play the games yet. 1cc is just normal.
>>737778787Why? It's not like it's a huge time sink or difficult to rank. MS has a pretty bad elo distribution system where the main goal isn't winning as much as it is not coming in 4th.
>>737778526Guess I'll just do that. Even bought a stick to try and get good at mushihimesama and some other games since I was really enjoying it but it's hard to learn these games when I have limited free time
>>737778941Your post in general is a massive indicator of being a shitter. Why would a top player in current year fighting games play slop like apex and overwatch? The whole post is silly. Stuff like mahjong and gacha and ff14 is what mediocre mid-level gatekeepers get wrapped up in.
>>737778941Because if you were actually good you'd play on Tenhou
>>737778956No, don't do that. Just play 30 minutes a day, consistently, and practice and study with intent instead of playing from the beginning over and over.
>>737779150Bad recommendation, there's no harm in continuing a couple times and it lets you see and learn more of the game at once.
>>737779320No it's not, and I'm not the one telling people to 5cc games. Keep that dumb shit in touhou threads. Shmups are about learning. If you don't like learning you aren't going to enjoy them very much.
>>737779080>gacha Cosmetic only>ff14Terrible mmo pvp, Elsword BnS and GW2 all have more fun systems.>X genre is slopMy hobby is competitive games I'll learn any of them, and the overlap between hero shooters and fighting games is significantly larger than you think. I played a lot of unranked anime fighting games too like MBAACC and hisotensoku. Your detective skills need some more work.>>737779141True but also I already spent money on anime girls. If I really wanted to gitgood I'd be playing with asian aunties on the weekends.
Mid genre
>>737779420>MBAACC and hisotensokuThe evidence of being a shitter is getting bigger and bigger.
There is no reason to use continues. Route the game. Break it up into save states for practice. If you can't get through a single stage after a week of practice without using a continue, even a single time, something is seriously wrong with your approach. No game is that hard.Continuing also fucks up resources and rank in a way that makes routing not work good, you shouldn't route from the assumption you're continuing.
GO PLAY MARS MATRIXhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRhFYV4-pBQ
>>737779405>>737779739shit bait
>>737779828>sane and practical advice is baitlol
>>737779739>entire game revolves around cheating and using save statesgayest genre istg
>>737777176What has /v/ been playing recently?
>>737779865le le le
>>737780265Another good indie shmup is Cycle Chaser H-5, had a great time with it.
>>737780265I've been playing dad shit
I'm getting walled hard by Akai Katana's stage 5... The rest of the game seems somewhat manageable but the stage portion of 3 and 4 and the boss of stage 5 are fucking nasty.
>>737780265HellsinkerShit's radical
bomb
id like to make my own danmaku one day
>>737787812Which game would you aim to be liek?
>>737788360radiant silvergun or psyvariar 2
KetsuiDariusGradiusRtypeThunder forceStar FoxRezThose series, that’s it, that’s the genreDon’t even begin to say Touhou or some other cringe dogshit flash game tier nonsense series Nothing else is worth playing
>>737788852I wouldn't consider Star Fox and Ketsui to even be in the same genre.
https://youtu.be/G2sR0bSEoaw?si=7GweXnlQsLIGyEMjhttps://youtu.be/GHQ1hlVD-5w?si=xhDFrd6TMokPVvRahttps://youtu.be/OLzX0a4-9Oc?si=68pmppF-tCnO3Ugdhttps://youtu.be/nazi6JmAV_c?si=TKPkfho4lNZudNQm
>>737788852Rez is a pretty deep cut I will give u that anon.
So uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh do you guys think Touhou would have improved as a shump if you removed the cute girls and added cool robots instead? What if they were all spaceships?
>>737789674cute fem mecha
>>737789957Anon you know as well as me that you can't have a "cool mecha" be "feminine and cute" at the same time.
>>737789674im surprised no one's done a model swap.
>>737777468If you have a good enough comp you could try emulating the ps4 version
How is ANGEL AT DUSKI like body horror mechanical monstrosities
The jump in difficulty between DDP and DOJ is enormous.
>>737788852Planet Harriers
>>737789674Not a single game was ever made worse by adding cute girls
My favorite Touhou games are the PvP ones, any recommendations for similar shmups? Just hectic dodging
What's the best arcade stick for shmups?
>>737790536Controller d pad. Idk if I've ever seen some in these threads say they use sticks. Shit some of the best players use sega Saturn controllers.
>>737790739>Idk if I've ever seen some in these threads say they use sticksI use a stick. I've cleared with both a jlf and an ls-32. The input quality is comparable, but clearly better than a shit stick that'd come by default in a mayflash or whatever. Obviously all arcade games are possible with stick regardless of how demanding the execution is. Examples of super players using stick:https://youtu.be/Z9skBAPlC2Uhttps://youtu.be/Lo7pbKr3Q1EThere is no input device that'll magically make you better. I use stick because it's comfortable for me personally.
>>737777176does the ps2, snes, or gamecube have any good shmups?
>>737791048I was talking about my hero, Jaimers.
>>737791070Shmups are a shit genre in general, so no.
>>737791070gamecube vesion of Ikaruga is the best,emulates like a dream on Dolphin
>>737791131Jaimers said he uses the M30 dpad
>>737791070Honestly the coolest ones are on ps1. They're all Japanese titles with English text and English dialogue it's kinda wild.
>>737790536I've been using the hori mini stick with stock parts for over a decade and it hasn't shown any signs of wear.
>>737791070I don't know why you would scrape the console barrel when there are arcade games to play, shmups are pretty much as good as gets when it comes to games made for an arcade environment, and naturally consoles will be a massive downgrade from that hardware.
>>737790536the ps2/3 dpad, PEG (the shmup God) uses it so i must be goodhttps://youtu.be/p_dMJ0FTHuU
>>737791284Fact checked False? Are you even in the shmup scene? Post your calice cup point total.
>>737791393dumb nigga M30 is the sega saturn one
>>737791393owned yourself lol, fucking poser larper
8bitdo M30 (the wired one)If arcade stick only the LS-32 matters along with Sanwa 30mm buttons, if they're too noisy pick the Sanwa silent ones, another common arcade cabinet combo in Japanese arcades are regular Sanwa levers and Qanba buttonsOnly a handful of cabinets had the LS-32 with Seimitsu PS-14 buttonsEven more funny is that those popular Korean levers used in fighting games have better control over any Seimitsu lever and even Gamerfinger or SiTong buttons over the stock Sanwa ones
>>737777796Get jak and daxter out of your fucking mouth
>>737791909Thanks to Mark he crashed to Korean stick market because he made multiple videos of his Korean stick shmup setup and now its impossible to find those stick anywhere. They are like $80 now
>>737790340The music is really good. It's similar to another one of Akiragoya's games, Steel Vampire. Big ships and giant floppy tits, medal chaining, there's sort of an odd obstacle/maze stage, and a bunch of cool weapons. There's also a fun mode based on darius burst chronicle saviors but it's really grindy. I'd recommend it
>>737790340Excellent aesthetics/music, very comprehensive tutorial, oddly interesting lore, solid mechanics that HEAVILY incentivize point blanking, really cool weapons. Worth the price of admission before you even get to the mode with the meta-progression and many branching paths/endings (which has its ups and downs but is fun to have). Insane that it was made by one dude.
I don't really care for new touhou. Thoughts on 1-5 on emulator?
>>737793694Really bad, even ZUN himself is embarrassed by them and wants them to be forgotten.
>>737791393It's actually hilarious that jaimers removed touhou from his YouTube page description.
>>737793771Touhou discussion, like it's gameplay, is so circular I don't blame him
>>737790536Seimitsu LS-32, though I prefer lower resistance and smoother actuation so I mostly play on a custom Korean Fanta style lever.
>>737794438He clearly doesn't dislike touhou, maybe it's a subtle hint that it's fanbase should try new things. Who knows
>>737777796>t's like trying to get into platformers through Jak and Daxter and Blinx instead of Mario and Mega Man.the jak series literally shits all over mario tendie
>>737794669Post 5 seconds of thrilling jak gameplay
>>737794596There are only so many bullethells. And they really stop becoming arcade games and turn into boss focused games very quickly.
>>737792056That wasn't just because of Mark. Tekken 7 was blowing up and SFV never recovered from its stumble out of the gate. Naturally you had a lot of people getting in on Korean levers, and there were tons of other youtubers selling people on expensive Sanjuks, Golden Levers, Cool Bears, etc. The following shortage was also likely a result of leverless taking over the scene as well, so a lot wasn't being put back into replenishing certain stock.
>>737791131I find the example video interesting because sairyou uses an underhanded grip. I learned in fighting games to use a pinky grip. I can't think of any examples of underhanded players off the top of my head. The input method is different. With a pinky grip you use flicks like thishttps://youtu.be/0NvS4bwocJkUnderhand looks kinda neat, but no way I'd ever do that.
>>737793723>Really bad, even ZUN himself is embarrassed by them and wants them to be forgotten.That's not true! I'm sure ZUN is very proud of his roots.
>>737791909>8bitdo M30 (the wired one)This. The dpad is the best feeling one I've used on any controller. Plus it looks nice and has an easy autofire function
>>737789674Touhou would have improved as a shmup if there were more non boss enemies other than gayass fairies.>>737777777
I 1cc'd Devil Blade Reboot and called it done with the genre bc I feel like there's no better game , unless it's some wacky funny stuff like Platypus or Deathsmiles
>>737789674>What if they were soulless hunks of metal like every other major shmups series from the 80s and 90sIt wouldn't have even made it pass the PC98 era.
>>737795782Uhhhhhhhhh didn't ddpr come out in 2010
>>737794876Well the amount of arcade style bullet hells coming out isn't going to increase unless people actually play them and become aware of them. Every developer is different and has a unique flavor of design, there is a lot to experience.
>>737795594What about bunny fairies?
>>737795670>bc I feel like there's no better gameDevil Blade is neat and all, but I don't think there's a single person playing a lot of shmups who would put it in their top games.
>>737795963I love the genre but idk if anyone is willing to invest in a shmup these days. Even Atlus.
>>737791070>ps2psyvariar 2gradius 5
>>737796190Bro there's like 50 new shmups every year. Mininum.
>>737793694
>>737790409If you like the PVP aspect those games are inspired by Twinkle Star Sprites, I think some people still play it on fightcade.
>>737796221Nothing has blown me away since crimzon clover. Has anything come out since with that level of polish and sheer gameplay kino with the music to back it up? I struggle to play anything else.
>>737796316Bro. BRO. BRO MOVE WHAT THE FUCK?!?!
>>737796440Blue Revolver
>>737795975I like bnuys but that's just an aesthetic change.
>>737796498I'll try it 2moro. I thought it was horizontal for some reason.
>>737796316Such a difficult game, I can see why people put it on such a pedestal.
>>737795120
>>737796010it's the best shmup for people who aren't into shmups
>>737796316Wtf why did she do that?
>>737796316Cheeto lasers or banana lasers /v/?
>>737797983Dude just tap holy shit. Less is more.
"The Treasure game history is a rich tapestry. But, since we're all gonna die, there's one more secret I feel I have to share with you: I did not care for Radiant Silvergun.""What?""Did not care for Radiant Silvergun.""How can you even say that, Anon?""Didn't like it.""Anon, it's like the perfect game!""This is what everyone always said. Whenever they say...""Hiroshi Iuchi, Hitoshi Sakimoto, I mean, you never see, Studio Gonzo!""Fine. Fine. Fine team, did not like the game.""Why not?""Did not... Couldn't get into it.""What didn't you like about it?""It insists upon itself.""What?""It insists upon itself.""What does that even mean?""Because it has a valid point to make, it's insisted!""It takes forever memorizing the scoring route; you spend like six and a half hours on Stage 3... You know, I can't get through, I've never even finished the game. I've never seen the ending.""You've never seen the ending?!""How can you say you don't like it if you haven't even given it a chance?""I agree. It's not really fair.""It's outrageous.""I have tried on three separate occasions to get through it, and I get to Stage 5.""Yeah, it's a great stage. I love that stage.""I have no idea what they're talking about. It's like they're speaking a different lang... You know, that's where I lose interest in it.""You know what, Anon...""They're speaking Japanese!""The language they're speaking is a language of subtlety; something you don't understand.""I love Cotton Boomerang. That is my answer to that statement.""Whatever.""I like that game too."
>>737797526What in the goddamn
>>737798640I find it funny that Radiant Silvergun fans praise such an infamous studio as Gonzo kek
I can only ever reach Jakou's final form on a good day. I can get there with 2 or 3 lives and I still choke. That damn pattern. I've only ever played it on my PS2 and at the arcade. Should I finally sell out and emulate it/ use save states? It's just, I have almost zero practice with his final form before it's all over. It's become my favorite arcade game but I can't 1CC it. It's embarrassing.
>>737800549>Should I finally sell out and emulate it/ use save states>should I learn the game like every single other person on the planet who has beaten itYes?
>>737800630I guess. It's just that from my experience, save/load states take away my adrenaline rush, which I ultimately need to stay in the fight.But, I'll take your advice and bang my head against the wall in MAME a bit before my next trip to Galloping Ghost.
>>737800630But how did people 1CC it before it could be emulated?
Me personally I find mushihimesama to have a great aesthetic and also music. I quite enjoy it even on original.
>>737801959>prefer the first game's all-bug aesthetic (as a bug nerd since I was a kid) and soundtrack>but prefer Futari's gameplay moreI am torn
LET ME FUCKING BLINK REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>737777176I only wish 1CCs were integrated into the fucking games themselves rather than being just some self-imposed nonsense. This entire convention of the shmup genre is one massive failing of game design. I don't know how shmuppers can justify this.
>>737777796Mega Man aren't even really platformers, more action games, and Jak trilogy are all great.Expected from a tranime posting retard though
>>737802971>I only wish 1CCs were integrated into the fucking games themselves rather than being just some self-imposed nonsenseIf you want to reach the next loop, some games have strict requirements such as a max allowance of bombs used / lives lost.
>>737800549When is this weird gender bender game getting put on steam?
>>737802971wdym? just don't continue bro lol. they even cuck your score for continuing
>>737804072Jak is a dumb normalfag series
>>737801276Perfectly polishing the other 95% of the game. Living in japan and observing other players every single day at the arcade.
>>737804602When Cave decides they like money.
Finally got a chance to play pic related at an arcade last week. Fucking outstanding. It's like if one of those 2D Macross shmups was actually good. And the soundtrack FUCKS.
>>737808149Probably Technosoft's best game.
I am rather fond of Raizing games where I can play as the cool dragon samurai
>>737802971To be honest, other genres should lock stuff behind ironman mode and penalize you for daring to touch "load game" button in normal play.
>>737778470>top level comp>Saint in Mahjong Soul
>>737780265angel at dusk and I love it
>>737802971many games need a 1cc if you want to go to the next loop or fight the TLB
Troon em Up
>>737808149This should've gotten the S-Tribute treatment. At least it's super easy to emulate the arcade game. Blast Wind is decent too, though not as good as this.
>>737797526More arcade clips please.
>>737802971youll say this until you play games that give you "lol go 1cc shitter" bad endings
>>737792056>MarkEven his own fans are calling his ass out in the community post lol
>Search for shmup torrents>almost none are on fitgirl, have to find a download link or IGG torrent for all of themThat's how you know.
>>737778470>SVthere are stardew valley tournaments?
>>737820643I downloaded something from fitgirl the other day, slowest installation possible, "check integrity of files", then it crashes at start. Meanwhile I download a random cracked version and it works immediately without all the bullshit. Why do people download this shit.
>>737820643nigga 99% of shmups are under 100MB
>>737820973Torrents have 3 seeders
>>737777176M-KAI is the goat and he never gets mentioned>>737777468I have no idea about what you're talking about but use fbaneo on retroarch
>>737821502What are you talking about, downloads off the main mame rom package are instantaneous
>>737825962these arent on mame
>>737818109
>>737827740igg has mega ddl
I like horizontals.
>>737828421i don't know what that means.
>>737802971>I only wish 1CCs were integrated into the fucking games themselvesWhat? They literally are, your score resets if you continue. If you're playing anything other than arcade emulation it's probably gonna have some kind of unlock or achievement for a 1cc too.
>>737814619Rent free
>>737828540They just aren't for me, but I respect the genre. All the back shooting in those games just doesn't vibe with me, but I get why people like them.
>>737804758>>737828875Not an argument. No one gives a flying fuck about score.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsVarCMS5js
>>737828580https://igg-games .com/blue-revolver-free-696723177-download.html
>>737802971>touhou gives you bad endings>cave games don't let you go to the second loop or you can't fight the actual last boss>some games simply have limited continues and you can't beat it by bruteforcing with infinite continuesWhat more do you want?
>>737829187When you play a game so much and continually replay earlier stages, often you're compelled to do riskier things to get more score to spice up stages you've been through a few times on your way to harder stages you haven't passed.
>>737777329The epitome of concept autismEven the hitbox has a name ("core signal" I guess)Not even Radio Zonde escapes that
>>737829859I fucking hate blue revolver, hit detection feels wonky, and despite the graphics looking fine theres a weirdness in how everything moves that I can't quite put my finger on.Its a game I wish I liked but it just kinda feels bad to play.
>>737829386>>737829859tyvm i knew of the scene sites but never really trusted them and always just went through fitgirl/KAT/1337
>>737829187Mostly, yes. I've sat down and played like 5 shmups and I never got to the point where score was a factor. That's because I stop after arcade clears tho.
>>737829409If the player is expected to do a 1CC then force them to do a 1CC. It's that simple. I can't think of another game genre that simply allows you to play it wrong. Imagine a puzzle game where actually solving the fucking puzzles is optional. Credit feeding shouldn't give you *an* ending at all.Now sure, modern games can be designed any way they want, but 1CCing emulated arcade games is going to be self-imposed retardation no matter how you slice it. All of you fuckers are playing these games in a way they weren't designed to be played. You literally pretend that these games are something they're not, and you think that that's perfectly normal.
>>737829727I don't care that it's pretentious because the game is so awesome
>>737830764many games have a permadeath mode and yet you dont play it? curious
>>737830764Play Hellsinker, it gives you one continue and then you're done. Between that and a lot of other surrounding design it's the nicest progression I've ever experienced in a shmup
>>737830764>Imagine a puzzle game where actually solving the fucking puzzles is optionalThat's literally how opus magnum works and it's one of the best puzzle games ever made, by a lot.
>>737777176do any of them have hot girls
>>737831272How is solving the puzzle optional in opus magnum?
>>737830764>All of you fuckers are playing these games in a way they weren't designed to be playedwhy are you ignoring the part where 1cc is needed to beat the game 100%? why are you so butthurt
>>737830764you still aren't responding to any point>bad ending = you didn't beat the game>score resets = it's as if you restarted if you want to spam continues you should have to burn a dollar bill every time you want to use one, otherwise you aren't playing the game as intended either
>>737831340The main purpose of opus magnum is cycle optimization, you are graded on how many cycles you use, which is added to a leaderboard, but nothing is stopping you from bruteforcing puzzles with 500+ cycle solutions. Additionally, real puzzle games, like the ones with actual scoring like tetris, score you and either have competitive versus elements and/or endings. Puzzles are solved, games are won. When you add score to a puzzle it becomes a game.
>>737830764>t. never played a shump in his lifeyou need the 1cc in almost every shmup to fight the TLBwhy do you even post in these threads anyway when you dont understand the most basic concepts of shmups
>>737831279Perhaps.
>>737831537>if you want to spam continues you should have to burn a dollar bill every time you want to use oneNot just every time you use a continue, every time you play the game at all. However so-called "arcade shmup fans" obviously don't do that.Of course that would force you to approach the game differently, no fucking shit, it's what arcade games were actually designed around.
>>737831612But like, you still gotta solve the puzzle even if you do it poorly
>>737832051This is outrageously retarded when Ikeda and many, many other shmup developers have repeatedly said their games are designed to be 1cc'd. You're just asshurt because you can't jerk off over box art after credit feeding for 20 minutes like this is /vr/ or something.
>>737832148Bruteforcing isn't any more of a solution than credit feeding is, you're not applying any brain power whatsoever there. Someone who bruteforced every single puzzle in opus magnum obviously wouldn't be worth discussing the game with.
>>737830764>zoomer doesnt understand the concept of GAME OVER
>>737832159>Ikeda and many, many other shmup developers have repeatedly said their games are designed to be 1cc'd.That's funny, the fact they had to say that means it actually wasn't designed at all. Game design doesn't mean the developer's headcanon, you know that, right? Who gives a fuck if it's not part of the game?
>>737832507Just because a game has a journalist difficulty doesn't mean you're intended to play on it. That says more about you than the devs.
>>737832609It's hilarious you had to go there. You have no idea about my skill, what games I play or on what difficulty. Now address my argument.
>psikyo games call you a stupid faggot if you game over>the console ports call the lower difficulties things like dumb bitch baby subhuman mode
>>737832707Actually meant for >>737831685
>>737777176Are the shot triggers games ever coming to PC I want to use a stick to play the games but they aren’t all on the same console and using adapters causes lag.
that guy is right, creditfeeding is based and dodging the bullets is unintended, you're supposed to just die over and over
>spends $3,000 on an arcade cabinet so he can practice a single vidya>will never use $3000 in continues at the arcadewhy do they do it?
>>737832968>spends $6,000 for the egret 3 and then another $1k on a cave game just to an extra millisecond of delay removed>doesn’t play enough to justify the price.
>>737832870>Are the shot triggers games ever coming to PCNot the CAVE ones, no.>using adapters causes lagThey cause like 5 ms of lag.
>17" LCD from 2007>ps3 controller>GTX 980oh yeah, it's gaming time.
>>737832968>>737833086>his 3k investment is now worth 15ksounds good to me, arcade PCBs have gone 5x in value since covid
>>737830764You're half right. Every single shmup would be better if they removed continues. I don't know why they stopped doing it like Gradius. I thought we loved Gradius.
>>737833179When you hit stage 5 in strikers 1945 they make you repeat the level if you die on any difficulty.
Are there any shmups that do randomized enemies and/or patterns well?
>>737833152I don’t know how much the pcbs sell for I just want to say egret 3 is a meme
>>737833225And that's awesome. It starts doing that from stage 4 in Gunbird and that's why Gunbird is better (should've been from stage 1 though)
>>737833179>I don't know why they stopped doing it like GradiusYeah just punish people for using continues, since you restart the stage with no upgrades and no speed and can't even survive 10 seconds
>>737833357It's not awesome and there's a reason their newer games are far better>stages are static on cabinet reset instead of purely random>actual functioning rank>exponentially more complex stage designDying in a psikyo game is already plenty bad because all your resources are frontloaded onto the first life.
>>737831279no
Diablo 4 is a shmup
>>737833764Blizzard should start taking notes from CAVE then and make games that are actually fun.
>>7378335341. Learn to recover2. There are no continues in Gradius
>>737833845Checkpoints are actual dogshit because every stage has to be designed for recovery. The beginning of every single gradius stage in every single gradius game winds up being complete garbage as a result.
For me, it's Gradius V
>>737833357Idk. It's a pretty hard filter to put on a PS1 game. Like if I buy the full game I should be able to load up on credits for any difficulty.
>>737833981The point is Gradius doesn't have continues, not the checkpoints
>>737834170>PS1 gamelol
>>737834218I like playing console ports sue me.
>>737834170why? I really don't get this thinking. Blue Revolver is a great game because it forces a 1cc. Learn the game if you want to beat it
>>737834257>I have severe mental retardation and dont actually play, here's my putrid opinionTake it to /vr/
>>737834327YWNBAJpoor and obvious troll attempt btw.
>>737834192The continues are irrelevant from the standpoint of someone playing with the goal of 1cc'ing, which is everyone genuinely interested in shmups.
>>737777176I'm playing Lensed Night Sky, Kaseigai
>>737834420It's just save states which people do on all these titles anyways. Most 1cc you see now aren't genuine.
>>737834516:|
>>737832870>Are the shot triggers games ever coming to PCProbably not.Get a new PCB for your stick, a brook universal or something
>>737832870do emulators cause a lot of lag? I'd assume so
>>737834516holy fucking based. My knees.... on their own?!
>>737834632It depends a lot on the game and your setup
mork
>>737834589Brook are not 0 second delay >>737834632I never said anything about emulators I’m talking about shot triggers only releasing games on consoles and not the same console so you need a stick for every console.
>>737834763>Brook are not 0 second delayNothing is. It's gonna be a lot better than an adapter
>>737834632Just use the latest versions of shmupmame
>>737834763yeah but you could emulate the ps4 and switch ports on your pc, wouldn't you only need one stick?
>>737834810do roms from the old version work on the new one? i know MAME is fucking retarded
>>737834876Yes
>>737834750proved dark souls is harder than ketsui
>>737834829I thought emulating those consoles would cause frame drop
i bet literally no one on /v/ can get to Ketsui's 2nd Ura looppeople here are miserable and casual
>PS4 gets all the god tier ports>PC/STEAM gets literally shiti hate Japs so fucking much its unreal
>>737835019It is worse than emulating the arcade version, yes. The only usage case for doing that is if there's exclusive arranged modes (doj for example) or mame cannot emulate timing correctly. (Futari for example)
>>737835052Ketsui is shit anyway. I only play non-cave shooting games
>>737835130Switch too
>>7378344201ccing a game should be the only option, not the thing you have to do to make the game fun at all. Having the option to bomb spam everything at the cost of literally nothing makes the game worse.>>737834553Shut the fuck up you don't know what you're talking about
>>737835171I thought ketsui was the most fun shot triggers game
>>737835171Filtered
>>737835019>>737835151Yeah but how bad? Has anyone done testing each game?
>>737835276Hmmmmmm, nyo>>737835339>74 million pointsThe score is very low
>>737835604With xenia canary it's... not terrible? I wouldn't emulate a ps4/switch port though, that'd be retarded. If you like the M2 ports on steam and are actually playing and 1cc'ing them, then get a ps4. It's not expensive and if you're actually playing the games for real you already know it's worth it.
>>737833981>Checkpoints are actual dogshit because every stage has to be designed for recovery. The beginning of every single gradius stage in every single gradius game winds up being complete garbage as a result.That's the thing, most aren't designed for recovery except the most modern gradius games. If you get hit even once on gradius 1-3, depending on the stage you should just reset.
>>737835276It is. Followed by Esprade.
>>737835960You can recover in gradius 1-3, it's just annoying and requires practice, and it's obvious all stages are designed with this in mind. Every single stage starts with retarded popcorn randomly entering the screen galaga style, so you can at least get enough speed not to die instantly, it's shit.>die>have to play a little recovery minigame if if I want to retry the stage, which is often harder than the stage itself initially wasIt's retarded.
>>737834912He's pathetic and has the shittiest takes I've ever seen. Used to like him for a brief while when he just talked about shmups, but after seeing his opinion on dmc, ninja gaiden, run n guns and other arcadey games, I see that it was all a fluke, he's demented.
>>737836658Maybe those other games are just shit....
>>737836658The main thing I don't like about him is how often he says "most unique""Unique" is not quantitative, something either is unique or it isn't
>>737835960Gradius is only pretty good if you reset when you die. Recovering is where the game gets really good. There is not a checkpoint in Gradius 1 where recovery is not possible.
>>737836893Insanely retarded post
>your first shmup>your first 1cc>your next shmupBlue Wish ResurrectionCrimzon CloverBlue Revolver
>>737836976That's great. Now defend Gradius 4.
>>737837172Haven't played it. Why should I?
>>737837010That is how the word works anon
>>737838167No it's not.
>>737838363>existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics.>having no like or equal; unparalleled; incomparable.Any definition like "unusual" is the equivalent of dictionaries adding "in effect, virtually" as a definition for "literally"
>>737836658Mark is the Terrence Howard of video games. I watch him to see what incoherent schizo takes he'll think of next. What's worrying is that he has unironic fans who take him seriously.
>>737839235Uniqueness is the context of products is a measurable quality. You're thinking of mathematical terms.
>>737839627hes better at games than you tho, why should i listen to your opinion?
>>737839863>You're thinking of mathematical terms.No I'm just reading the dictionary and posting what it says
>>737840053There's nothing grammatically incorrect about stating on what scale a product differentiates itself from other products. Uniqueness would imply the degree to which something is unique. A game with 2 similiar games is quantitatively more unique than a game with 100 similiar games.
>>737840045
>>737840301i bet you can't even 1cc Metal Slug
>>737840301Post your ddp 2-all!
>>737840338>>737840676Average Mark fans
>>737837149Embodiment of Scarlet Devilprobably DeathsmilesPlaying DoDonPachi DaiOuJou now
>>737840676not a real 2-all since the score is so low
>>737840781They also can not clear dpp 2-all
>>737837149Gun Nac2hu PCBBlue Revolver or GunVein
>mark is shit, you should listen to me and my 0 clearsHrrrrm nah
>>737828875>They literally are, your score resets if you continue.not all shmups do thisnta but perhaps a little icon next to the score in the rankings screen to show it was a 1CC would be a nice additionor it would be IF ARCADE SHMUPS DIDN'T WIPE THE HIGH SCORES WHEN THEY TURN OFF
>>737834763anon the only 0 delay option is hooking a controller directly to a jamma pcb and play it on a crt. Barring that, a brook or gp2040-ce board is as good as it'll get.gp2040-ce is probably the better option since you can patch it to bypass the 8 minute timeout on PS4 without an adapter
>>737837881Worst checkpoints ever in a Gradius game.
>>737840242>There's nothing grammatically incorrect about stating on what scale a product differentiates itself from other products.It's not grammar, it's word usageThe word doesn't mean what you think it does
>>737841827>not all shmups do thisThe only one I've ever seen not do it is Dodonpachi 2 and that game isn't real
>>737834685>Smaller hitboxWhat did ZUN mean by this?Anyone have the image of their hitbox compared to their butt size? I never saved it
>>737843705I only want to play Sakuya in 7 but apparently she is weak. Tips?
>>737843072>19XX>Aero Fighters 2>Strikers 1945>In The Hunt>Eco Fighters>R-Type Leoand that's just a few I quickly tested to confirm, there's likely a bunch more
I need a new video from mork. Chop chop
Any shmups where you're an egg inside a womb and the bullets are semen trying to get you pregnant?
>>737843875PCB isn't that hard, use whoever
>>737844101You're locked out of the 2-all if you continue in strikers
>>737820643>Retarded nigga wants a repack for 300 MiB games
>>737844669And? we're not talking about lock outs
>>737844773There are so few torrents out there for shmups is the issue not repacking.
>>737820806literally 3rd worlders on piss poor internet which is why its archived and 'packed'
>>737844802As a reward for completing the game properly you get to keep playing in a super hard that gives you a bunch more score.
>>737820806The US has data caps
>>737845121anon im not trying to argue that credit feeders should masquerade as having "played the game properly" i was just pointing out that not all shmups reset your score when you continue
>>737845331Strikers 2 and 3 also wipes your score entirely. So idk, I'm not even sure what argument you're trying to make? That a handful of antiquated dadshit doesn't do it?
>>737845462bro this is an antiquated dadshit genre
>They don't know about games that count the amount of credits you have used with the last digit
>>737844305No but there should be
>>737845462If you consider pic related antiquated dadshit (which also doesn't reset your score on continue) then yeah, sure. fuck me i guess for playing more than bullet hells
>>737846080I don't even consider dariusburst a real shmup, that game is a mess
>>737843875SakuyaA is good for noobs and SakuyaB is the best all-around shottype in the game imo
>>737846130then we have nothing to discuss, good day
>>737790365holy based
>>737832159/vr/ is a rhythm game board, the know gameplay density better than anyone here
>>737846130Explain yourself.
>>737846130its true they need a word for horizontal games cause they are definitely not shooting up but sideways.
>>737846609>gameplay densitykek
>>737846609this is an artificial difficulty board.
>>737846609Thanks for once again conceding ADOFAI is the most gameplay dense video game in the world
>>737780265>>737814445>kino at duskbased. I really want try Devil Blade and Earthion at some point.>>737790340It's awesome, but you have to be willing to accept how to different it is from most shmups. Steel Vampire from the same dev is awesome amazing once you unlock the real difficulties.
>>737846609Why is it that when I look at a shmup I can tell that cool shit is happening, but with a rhythm game if I can't see someone dancing around on a ddr pad it's just a bunch of notes scrolling across the screen? And for that matter, what degree of rhythm games is dense irregular patterns versus just being a human metronome? I'm not so sure anon...
>>737846728Darius, Gradius, R-Type, Thunder Force, Ketsui, and DDP are not real shmups. The only real shmup is the star chariot section from Kirby
>>737847032you're welcomehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPOjtWLqB-I
Are the deathsmiles 2 dlc girls actually new shots or are they all just recolours of the main cast?
>>737847309you mean nightmare in kirby's adventure
>>737847309>>737847494>Sakurai likes shmups but is afraid to make one because he knows his fanbase is mostly mentally handicappedWhat a shame
>>737847347>90 KPS dense gameplayYou could probably beat a stage in an arcade shmup with 90 inputs. Imagine cramming a 5 minute stage into a couple seconds.
>>737847309Ah, so you're just pretending to be retarded, gotcha.
>>737847594>Sakurai knows his fanbase isn't retarded but wanted to be inclusive of the mentally ill arcadeschizosMan Kirby is so progressive!
>>737847789He made a video about shmups and said the gameplay density is so intense it would hurt people's feelings
>>737847309Kek there's also Strato Patrolhttps://youtu.be/8NBCl0MqTts
>>737847993He was saying it to be nice to aging arcadeschizos that cannot adapt to super difficult platformers like Kirby. Autistic people can't tell when they're being mocked, it's sad.
>>737848257Cope!
>>737848338Seethe.
>>737848470Kirby looks like a shaved testacle.
>>737848338
>>737834516>>737834685>Touhou game made by English speaker with western artTHIS IS NOT HONORABRU JAPANESE STG!!!!!
>>737791325>hori miniNice, thought I was the only one. I've had a ton of fuck off hueg sticks over the years, but it turned out what I really wanted was a small one this is ripe for wiener jokes isnt it
>>737848543u were saying?
>>737848752That ball is as big as her
I've never played a shmoop in an arcade. Here in Canada all we ever had was fighting games, racing cabs and those light gun shooters in every arcade I ever went to. Is it fun?
Free Dodonpachi Campaign.
>>737848625doj is such a cute game
Shilling Asura the Stiker again...
>>737850260not a shmup go away
>>737850260There are so many Space Harrier and Star Fox clones, where's my After Burner clones?
>>737848752The ship represents my penis.
>>737850260Looks like complete shit. Hard pass
>>737850260thanks!
Night Striker my beloved
>>737849943Best I can do is 2 more ports of DFK
>>737851416Mirage Feathers, Missile Dancer 2, Ultra0 and this game https://store.steampowered.com/app/4279250/SIKI/ are all more Afterburner style.>>737852429:)>>737852469based!
>>737852542thank you cave-sama... the original steam port didnt have anywhere close to enough content after all...
>>737852542more touhou please
The new DFK port is going to be shit btw
>>737852554clipped out the fugging aircraft carrier zoom in the beginning
>>737852748No shit it's Caveslop
>>737852748I choose to believe!!!
Has anyone here ever played arcade shmups with another player? Is it fun? I wonder how different the games are with two people, I can only assume they are way easier because you can cover so much more of the screen
>>737852748why are the making another DFK port when there is already one on Steam? what is this retardation?
>>737777468>it looks so washed outArcade PCB's output really bright signals.This is fine on a CRT but looks atrocious on a modern screen. You have to change the gamma settings. By default in mame it's at 1.0. Change it to 0.7.As for the blurryness i dunno what that is, sounds like you've got bilinear filtering enabled.>am i supposed to play in a small window or something?You're supposed to play on a CRT or at the very least a CRT Shader.
>>737778337Have you considered just using, say, 2 or 3 credits in total?
>>737780265>What has /v/ been playing recently?UN Squadron on SNES.I can 1CC the arcade version but the SNES version destroys me.
>>737854743Post your 1ccs
>>737780265Gradius IV, Gradius V, Salamander 1, and Salamander 2.
>>737854165i played Ikaruga with my bros and its actually harder because the screen is even more messy
>>737778337With all the arcade ports a lot of games have an easy mode, also Touhou does but that goes withoout saying
>>737791070SNES isn't really known for them but there's a couple of OK ones:AxelayArea 88 (Slightly different to the arcade version)Super AlesteAero Fighters (Surprisingly good port)Pop'n'Twinbee (my personal fave)Parodius, Parodius 2, Oshaberi Parodius
>>737791070Gradius V on PS2.Hands down the best Gradius game. Directed by horishi iuchi (radiant silvergun, ikaruga, kokuga).
>>737791909>8bitdoDon't do it.
Gimme something arcade to play.
>>737856515Street Fighter 2
>>737856636That's not a shmup.
>>737856515Touhou 9
>>737856732That's not arcade.
>>737856681Play Guile
>>737856515Scramble
>>737856753It sure is fun though!
>>737856817That was fun I guess.Thanks.
>>737854165What >>737854986 said. There's even more of a mess on screen, so it's easier to lose trace of what to dodge. Some games have a "2P shot" which is something very strong if one player shoots thru the other player, which can make things more manageable but isn't always a feature.You're also competing for power-ups, so unless you can get to max power quickly (or unless there aren't powerups) both ships end up a bit underpowered. And that can quickly turn south if one of you dies.
>>737856515Mahjong
We all know black guys love fighting games and yu gi oh but what about shmups?
>>737858502never happened before, no such thing as a black guy liking shmups, would be a world first if a black guy were to like a shmup
>>737858502There are a couple of black guys playing shooting games. As far as I know, they stream on Twitch
I spent all day on my computer but in the end I only played porn games and blew 2 massive loads to Sakuya.
there are no black people in stg
>>737804808It's much more niche than tranime slop actually
I FUCKING LOVE SHMUPS!
NO NIGS
Go play Raystorm
go play mars matrix
finally played gradius 3 for the first time wtf people actually like this shit what the hell is wrong with japanese people man this is like their favorite shmup of all time and the entire game is super slow motion (this isnt even the super shitendo version) autism dodgesinsane
>>737859603The game is fun until you reach the sun stage. You might like Gradius Gaiden
>>737859603This was my reaction to Gradius 5. I just don't get it.
https://youtu.be/tcYkpEijW_IWas it autism
>>737858502Trannies like arcade "games", straight white men like Touhou.
>>737777176I forgot how to dodge
>>737861835Why would it be?
>>737861835>everyone just skipped to the last 10 seconds, not even the end of the runlol
>>737854986>>737857058It sounds like it could actually be pretty fun if it doesn't just make it outright easy mode. Being able to cover different parts of the routing and so on. I just barely see anything about it even though it seems like such a core part of the games, at least in arcades.
>>737864928most arcade games have tacked-on multiplayer to squeeze out more quarters and aren't really designed with it in mind
>>737864928The biggest issue, in my opinion, is that aimed shots can only target one player, which can be a bit stupid for player 2.
>>737865480wouldn't that allow them to be really gutsy?
>>737861995Other way around, but yeah.
>>737861995yeahtouhoufags live rent free in the arcadeschizo's mind. while touhoufags don't know or care about what cave is
>>737861995>straight white men like Touhou.I take it you've never been to an anime con. Dozens of 2hu cosplayers, all men. WHITE men. Straight? Doubtful.
>>737777176
>>737866880Buy an ad
>>737866880Purchase a commercial, faggot.
>>737777176I can't play. I am too bad
What are the best genres for shmup fans who have shmup fatigue? They're too peak but I'm sick of them.
>>737867534Irl dodgeball
>>737867584That sounds really fun, do respectable adults actually play it though?
>>737867534rhythm games, character action games, fighting games
>>737867534run & gun
>>737867851Yeah but you gotta find them through a church
>>737867534Shmup fans do not get "shmup fatigue"
>>737844305The final stage of R-Type Delta is inside a womb and has eggs shooting semen at you and then part of your ship get's vored by an egg and then you have to dodge the semen it shoots at you until you can use your self-destruct sequence to cause an abortion. Then the enemy tries to mpreg you and they succeed in the bad ending.
>>737859332What the fuck were they thinking with that ending. At first I thought I must have gotten the bad ending or something but no, that's just how the game ends. More effective than Spec Op: The Line.
