It's not an error I'm fully switching to Xbox lmao
>from one humiliation ritual to the nextjust get a computer or stop playing games altogether
>switching from 1 cuck ecosystem to anotherget a PC if you want to own your games
>>737778267snoys will defend this
This is a hell of a fumble for Playstation. What were they thinking?
>>737778267>I'm fully switching to Xbox lmaoThey're going to do it too if they haven't already.How quickly people forget the goybox one's original launch.
There are no new console games worth playing. There is no reason to own a PlayStation 5 or an Xbox Whatever.
>fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called PS4>I mean PS3>I mean uh, PS2
>>737778267>Laughs in physical
>>737778478>physical in 202Xenjoy your unfinished review copy
>>737778436Xbox doesn't have that you can play offline
>>737778467Pretty sure PS2's are dying out.
imagine living in a country without internet 24/7
>>737778529Enjoy your DRM
>>737778561Better get on it before they add it then.Microsoft has never fucked over their consumerbase ever in the history of the company.
>>737778660I pirate my games and backup my favorites either DRM free on release or cracked
Launch your steam games without Internet for a year
>>737778725They back tracked on this very policy in 2013. Sony has failed to do the same right now even after all the backlash online.
>>737778623Did anyone ever find out the original source of this image? It's amazing
>>737778782Yes, and what happens when other people make it industry standard?Just like how M$ tried to walk forward $80 games after nintendo did $70
>>737778267>Not even 24 hours after they upped the price yet againlmfao
Can someone without crippling social anxiety call customer service on the phone and ask them? Maybe human workers will know the current situation a bit better
>>737778267We'll see if any backlash comes from this
>>737778623>ISP down/maintenance >can't play vidya
>>737778463Elden ring and E33 are top 10 all time games
>>737778864Microsoft is trying to win back the consumer right now in everything they've done in the past month. I highly doubt they'll implement something they scrapped in 2013 that was the known mortal blow on the entire brand which is still affecting them to this day, even if Sony is doing it right now.
>>737778989They both run better on pc
>>737778864MS tried $80 games after seeing tendies accept Nintendo do it. Nice revision attempt though.
>>737778267If you care about preservation of your games then you would've stopped playing consoles entirely during 7th gen. consoles facilitating GBs of content patches through servers is one of the worst parts of modern gaming
>>737778267This is fake fuck off
>>737778972>ISP down for 30 days
>>737778864fucking jews man, they ruin everything with their greed
>>737778972>ISP down for 30 daysWhat shithole do you live in?
>>737778267Reads like an AI response desu
>Console has to phone home or else you can't play games installed on it>Meanwhile you can plug in a Wii from 20 years ago and still play whatever games you installed on it without issueWhen did it all go so horribly wrong?
>>737778351>get a PC if you want to own your gameslol good one anon
>buying consoles in current year
>>737778413This is what happens every time there's a generation where Sony has no competition
Remember when snoys were saying this was just a mistake
>>737778267>I'm fully switching to Xbox lmaoXbox also has always online DRM, they didn't backtrack back in the xone era, and the series is even worse with the crossgen games not coming with any data in the disk for the series version.
>>737779518do you lose access to games after 30 days with Xbox?
>>737778903>in south asiaindians (half of /v/) in shambles
>>737778989You’re a top 10 little bitch.
>>737779660Fucking got his ass
>>737778351>All digital box>OwningAnon, I....
>>737779072The funniest thing is M$ still thought the Outer Worlds 2 was worth $80. A game that’s constantly shitting on capitalism and corporate greed. And when they caved and lowered it to $70, the game still bombed.
>>737779072That's what I just said you illiterate retard.
>>737778267>Does It Play? and tripster called it a bug >snoys here blindly believed it while denying all of the anons with proof that it's real as "photoshopped"So how are snoys going to cope now? by crying about nintendo like in yesterday's thread?
This is such a non-issue. If you actually live in an area where you can't access the internet once in 30 days you have bigger problems than losing your games
>>737779231>>737779747You guys won't believe, but there's a way to get games on PC in which you can keep it on your personal storage...
>>737779887SEA retards in shamblesNot like they can afford PS5s anyway so why are they crying
>>737779231it's the only platform where you can indefinitely store and play the latest version of games offline without jailbreaking >>737779747are you some dumb zoomer who never used MP3s?
>>737779887Yeah, just stop running your console offline! Who cares about ownership in current year? Just let Sony do their online checks! You have nothing to hide, right?
>>737778413They don't think.
>>737779887its a future problem. 10+ years from now internet protocol standards will change and the ps5 may not be able to connect to new routers. In that case it would be a hassle to keep around older hardware just to play some old games.
>>737779231>>737779747>DURRRRRRR YOU DON'T HAVE THE DRM RIDDEN CARTRIDGES AND DISCS? YOU DON'T OWN LE GAME1!1!1!1!Imagine not buying from GOG and pirating anything with DRM on it. PChads can even make their own discs.
>>737778267Why is this a problem? Who doesn't have access to the internet?
>>737779231What’s stopping me from looking for a drm free or cracked version, or using private servers for the game I buy? These days, any PC game, including those with Denuvo, can be played that wayPlus, I can install it on any HDD or SSD I want, even on a usb flash drive or microsd, and keep it there, no company can take that option away from meYou, on the other hand, are tied to the console and have fewer options. Or are you going to tell me it’s easy for you to play all your PS3 and PS4 games on your PS5? Because I can still play games from before 2000 on my PC, backward compatibility is far better on PC than on consoles
>>737779965are you dumb? nearly every single console has a version with a drive in which you just slot a cd in and play a game
>>737779885You can see it here already>It's not a big deal!>All gaming platforms are like that! >Do you people not have internet?Yes, they're unironically using that same line from the Xbox presentation now. Never thought you'd see the day, huh?
>>737780050 imagine not being a nigger
>>737780119CDs dont last forever.
>>737778267>games purchased digitally
>>737780069The problem is the future, not the present, pic rel. it's the expiration date that Nintendo will set for downloading games purchased through WiiShophttps://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3764/~/how-to-redownload-wii-shop-channel-content-on-wii
>>737780173my music discs say otherwise
>>737780119that's why I specified latest version Go ahead and see how cyberpunk plays when the update server shuts down and you can't get the 50GB update
>>737780119>has a version with I like how you added that part since the PS5 started the digital-only consoles meme>a drive in which you just slot a cd in and play a gameAlso at sony's mercy. You're always one very innocent "bug" away from your external disk drive just refusing to work until you go online
>>737779931>>737779965>>737780050>Hurr durr, why is everyone complaining grocery prices? I just steal all that shit lolPiratefags are the vegans of pc gaming(which were already the vegans of the gaming world)
>playstation>gameskind of a non-starter
>>737780281>PiracyWhat's a GOG offline installer?
I still use my Xbox stuff, I was playing Dead Space 2008 today, but you gotta be a real braindead nigga to "Switch to Xbox" after 2013 and even moreso now.
>>737780251>just go ahead and act like the world has been nuked and an EMP has wiped out teck from civilization. See if your games run then. nerr fucking retard
>>737780234wow I didnt realize its been forever since CDs were used for music
The faster consoles die, the better. Steam Deck already showed how to do "console" right without impeding on it being an open gaming PC. Fuck the rest of it., build a PC that you control . For people obsessed with not being a cuck, you are asking daddy console platform for every single thing you do and accepting all his restrictions while you just sit in the chair and accept it as your wallet gets pounded out
>>737778267The product for people without an internet connection, it's called a playstation 4.
>>737780386laser discs was 1978 anon.
>>737780281>Noo, you cant just play your games without megacorp looking over your shoulder! that's stealing! That's piracy! YOU CANT!!! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT!!!!consolefags are livestock in the truest sense. The very idea of freedom frightens them.
>>737780042This. I have perfectly functional mobile devices with multiple games I cannot play anymore as protocols changed and they blocked access to anything that couldn't meet said protocols.
>>737779660Actually laughed, you’re bretty gud
>>737780281Don't forget to get tagged and neutered, subhuman cattle.
>>737778267if they never told you this when purchasing that's fraud and they legally have to refund you.
>>737780495>steeling games is freedom don't forget your free nikes next time you riot
>>737780148>>737780281Ok, where can I buy myself a brand new copy of Ace Combat 6?>buy second handNo, I want to directly support Project Aces. Oh, I can't? Fuck you, I'll just pirate it then.
>>737780596it's in the updated User's agreement that no one reads
And just like that, snoys are okay with not owning their games. Imagine if sony doesn't bring back backwards compatibility in future consoles, imagine if your digital games are trapped on the older platform but you can't even play them anyways because sony shut down the servers
>>737780598>>steelingLmao You're lambs to the slaughter. Enjoy your mandatory online checks, it's not getting any better for you
I'm fairly certain Xbox has this too its just not stated. If you don't connect for a few weeks it will ask to verify your license.
>>737780697You never owned digital games, this is a nothingburger.
>>737780718I have a PC.
>>737780760>Stereotypical asshurt snoy defenseSure you do, livestock
>>737780629>where can I buy a brand new PS3 console, oh I can't, but that anon has one sitting in his game room. I'll just take it.
>>737778267why are they doing this now? After the humiliation of all the concord they've been releasing, it would be a good time to not piss off the last remaining players you have.
>>737778267>its heckin awesome and valid chudlol, thanks for thinking for me, i hate using my brain
Where do you live that you can't get online for a few seconds at least once every 30 days?
>>737780818What do you think I'm typing on? retard
>>737780740Nah, I rarely activate my shitbox but when I do play NGB on it, it just werks without needing to verify licenses.
>>737779887>bigger problemsSuch as?Pre-2000 most people didn't connect to the internet for over 30 days
>>737780119>nearly every single console has a version with a driveThat won't happen in the next generation of consoles, you'd have to be pretty gullible not to realize that Sony and Microsoft want to move further and further away from physical media
>>737780634No, legally if they didn't provide you the user agreement and made you acknowledge reading it then the old one applies.
>>737780889It's ok. You'll be streaming games to your android tablet sooner or later
>>737780208You can turn your Wii on right now if you still have it from the time and redownload any games you bought. The store is gone, but your redownloads are there and still up for redownoad to this day. Also the Wii is 20 years old and you can either emulate (homebrewing right on the console for the Wii is optimal if you go that route).As for the "future" of the PlayStation with that, the PS5 store being shutdown anytime soon isn't happening. It'll probably be considered when the PS8 or PS9 is out and by that time if you're still yelling about PS5 games that's your own problem. Also you'll be, at least, in your late 50s or probably mid 60s dealing, so you really shouldn't be that concerned about it at that age.
>>737778478You realize that Playstation is trying to eliminate physical, right?
>>737780380Yes that event is equally as likely as update servers shutting down and definitely not absurd
>>737780857>I totally have a PC I post on 4chan!>the livestock is so angry and yet so helplessIf it werent so hilarious I'd pity you
>>737780981and they do this by releasing a drive and games on disc?
>>737778267how is it going to know that 30 days have passed if it's offline? can't you just change the date?
Tripster on suicide watch!
>>737780821make a copy of it while leaving the original in place*
>>737780990>he can't have a PC if he's posting on the internetyou are actually retarded
>>737781012>you have to buy the drive separately Thanks for proving my point?
>>737781012And locking them behind mandatory firmware downloads.
>>737781068>the game just magically wrote itself
>>737780964Yeah like, at a certain point, you just need to stop caring. I'm being serious. You shouldn't care this much if you can still play a game 20 years into the future. If a game looks good, play it. And chances are if you want to play it badly enough you will be able to pirate it in some way in some form 20 years from now.
>>737781026BIOS typically have a battery for timekeeping. If it loses track of time it would probably assume its been more than 30 days and you are locked out immediately
>>737781116yes, it saves making two versions. one with and one without. Is it difficult for you to figure it out?
>>737781169You are such a good guy for buying that 100 dollar drive
>>737781124what is locked behind firmware downloads?
>>737780937I do it on my phone, locally with my PC. I've known about Moonlight for yearsThat doesn't mean you're not screwed if you rely solely on physical media on consoles
>>737781169If Sony is fully supporting physical discs, why make a version of their console that doesnt support them?
>>737780697If you owned your digital games before this shit happened, how do you sell them second hand once you have completed them?
>>737781249>>737780276Dont feel bad. You voted for this, right?
>>737780281>he literally says that he supports buying from GOG>YOU'RE JUST STEALING YOU VEGAN NIGGERThe absolute "state" of consolegroids right now.
>>737781262You'll never afford to upgrade and will be forced to buy games and pay for streaming them. lol
>>737781249some games (disc games) wont launch unless you have updated firmware.
>>737778529Patches don't stop working after being 30 days offline.
>>737781309you mean like formatting your PC drive removes your windows and game licences?
>>737779568No. He's a snoy.
>>737781169>Nintendo makes GKCs>Nintendo is killing physical >snoy makes you buy a 100 dollar add on >this is fine. No issues hereFaggot
>>737781319which ones?
>>737781343patches will stop working one dayjust a matter of when they can stop paying for the servers without rustling too many feathers
>>737780281If buying isn't owning pirating isn't stealing.
>>737781392>makes youmakes who?
>>737781137>doesn't understand file sharing
>>737781087>the poor livestock thinks his workspace craptop counts because he can shitpost with itYep, the cope never stops being amusing
>>737778267it's official, Nintendo won
>>737781026Its deeply ingrained into both console OS and their server backend too in fact its so deep they toggled this without any software or PSN updates it appeared just like that. Wouldnt be suprised if its on a hardware level too like motherboards have with CMOS batteries too.
>>737779194>Meanwhile you can plug in a Wii from 20 years ago and still play whatever games you installed on it without issueI don't think the internal flash memory will last that long unpowered.
>>737781319What are some examples of this?
>>737781478come on anon. explain how i'm typing away to you without a pc on the internet
>>737780697>Imagine if sony doesn't bring back backwards compatibility in future consoleIt's a little late to complain about this. They've been axing backwards compatibility since the Ps3. Remember when they removed Ps2 compat because it was too expensive? Remember your PSN purchases no transferring to future consoles? Even if they were games that were trivial to emulate? here's a sick joke:I had to jailbreak both my PSP and Vita because every game downloaded from the store kept having license issues. And even then I spend most of the time just emulating SNES roms.
>>737779025>Microsoft is trying to win back the consumer right now in everything they've done in the past month.Holy shit, consolefags really do have the memory of goldfish.
>>737781376I didnt know formatting my pc disables my HDD backup. Since when has that been a thing? And why are snoys so tech illiterate?
remember when MS just removed Windows VR and bricked every single fully working WMR headset?
>>737781409A lot. Are you retarded? This been a thing since fucking PSP lmao. Majority of titles require certain FW versions to even boot.
Yes most likely you will have internet within 30 days for the console to phone homeBut what happens when they lower that 30 to 15? 5? 1? If you let corporations take an inch they will plan to take an arm and reward bonuses to employees that take the leg tooAlso what happens when PS6 or PS7 comes out and suddenly Sony won't authenticate your PS4 and PS5 purchases anymore? Tough luck, you gotta buy the latest overpriced hardware and MAYBE your purchases will transfer over (for a small upgrade fee teehee)You will own NOTHING
>>737780964>The store is gone, but your redownloads are there and still up for redownoad to this dayDid you read what I said and check out the link to the Nintendo website and see the image?>Previously purchased titles can still be re-downloaded.>However, this option will also be discontinued at some point in the futureThey're thinking of stopping you from downloading games you've already purchased in the future, because it's an unnecessary expense for their servers, for games they no longer sell or supportPS3 and PSP games will go through the same thing in the future. Sony tried it, but the community complained, so they postponed it
>>737781483>>737780208
>>737781559you're reinstalling the licence from a backup. it still removes it
>>737781609>a lot you should be able to name them then
>>737781547>explain the thing you've explained alreadyPoor consolecuck, so tearful and upset that he cant read.
>>737781668so? its something you are able to do. With a PS5 you have no option, you have to re-auth everything through a server that may not exist in the future
>>737781723>you can't have a PC and internet because I'm reading your posts
>>737778436It's going to be hilarious when the marketing for Helix is >Your digital games can be played offline forever.
>>737780050>Porn games>Not just downloading the CGs
>>737781668Uh, that's why you make a backup? Are you new to this whole computer thing?
>>737781697sure, here is a table that lists most PS5 games (worthwhile games) and the minimum firmware version required to play them.https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5_Jailbreak/comments/1owlyhk/ps5_games_playable_by_firmware/
>>737781740>re-auth everything through a server that may not exist in the futurelol poorfags and their need to keep video games for 100s of years
>>737781668>you're reinstalling the licence from a backup....and you dont even get that choice because until you go online, you disk drive simply wont work. My HDD will.Nice try shifting the goalposts.
>>737781783No. I've probably used computers longer than you've been alive
>>737781823people still watch movies from 100 years ago, why shouldnt they be allowed to play games?
you vil drink ze verification can
Yup, DRM-free and none of this garbage. Console owners are all children/minorities, you have to be <100IQ to own a console at this point. To say nothing of being able to emulate/pirate literally anything on PC.>>737778351>>737779231retards
>>737780964Another plus for Nintendo is if a game is pulled from the e-shop, you can still redownload it if you bought it.Like the Super Mario 3D All Stars collection.
>>737781798>firmware 2023 so firmware from 3 years ago.
>>737781609>a lotYou didn't name a single one. Are you retarded?
>>737781697All titles require certain FW revision you braindead subhuman. This is a thing since PSP. Thats also why jailbreaks of lower FW versions are often useless because overwhelming majority of games dont work on lower FW versions and you cant backport them.
>>737781823>deflectingReminder that these consolecucks do it for free.
>>737781659When Nintendo adds a 30 day time bomb to all wiiware games from the wii shop that makes it unplayable, then we'll talk.What sony just did is a million times worse because when their servers go down, all your games are unplayable.BTW, SKGs is once again vindicated.
>>737781867really, there's a huge number of people watching movies on old 100 year old projectors?
>>737778267Thanks, StartKillingGames
>>737781972On PC. Sorry.
>>737781850If you bought a game, then what is the problem with re-installing from a backup?
>>737781317>You'll never afford to upgradeAre you sure about that? I can actually play Pragmata because I bought it, and I have the option to get the drm free version for PC and keep it for a long time without having to stay connected to the internet>will be forced to buy games and pay for streaming themStadia is dead, Amazon Luna is dying, and GeForce Now is only still alive thanks to NVIDIA's endless cash flow and AI techI don't think a world based solely on streaming is viable yet, but what will happen soon is a fully digital world, and that's what will happen to consoles in the next generation
>>737782012>all your games are unplayabledigital games*
>>737781907most of these games are from 3 years ago, this list wasn't updated for the past few years.the point is there are tons of games that when they release, require at least the last year's firmware update.
>>737781908https://prosperopatches.com/Entire database. All games show Firmware version required to boot. Nigger.
>>737780981Emphasis on trying.
>>737780372The problem with 360s is their all getting RDODs now even the latest E model.
>>737781652So what's stopping you from emulating the PS3 and PSP games, anon?
>>737782092what is this third world ebay machine image supposed to show? are you flexing lmao
>>737782027no, why would you think that?
>>737782064Ok, I'll make a correction:Reminder that these consolecucks do it for free with their shitty indian craptopsHope that addresses your concerns.
>>737781875you mean gun&ball gamers
>>737782112the post was last year.
>>737782012Both are shit, one worse than the other, but they're both just as badStop defending Nintendo
>>737782179My PC is better than yours. Keep trying.
>>737782192the post explicitly says it doesn't go beyond firmware 8.0, which was 3 years ago.
>>737782115Those are digital games. Cuck.
>>737782225the only thing you are "better" at is sucking corpo nuts for free
WHAT THE HELL DO I DO NOW?I DON'T WANT TO SWITCH TO PC BECAUSE PCs ARE TOO EXPENSIVE.
>>737782291>you're on consoleI'm on PC >but it's a shit PC It's better than yours >but you suck dick ha ha ha fucking coping retard
>>737782225>still deflectingSure it is, consolecuck lol
>>737782260my physical copy of nioh 3 disagrees
>>737782362Shall we find out together?
>digital license >owningok.
>>737778267do snoys really?
>>737781143Your problem is you're thinking like a normal functioning person. You need to realize where you are right now and what community you're dealing with.
>>737782325Buy it on credit.
>>737782260Physical copies require same FW version you imbecile. All physical copies have required firmware on disc and if you're on lower version OS will prompt you to update and if you wont update game wont be able to launch regardless if you're offline or online. Thats literally why not updated consoles are more expensive because people sit on lower firmwares and wait for jailbreak.
>>737778267>nooo I won't be able to play games without the internet save me niggermanBy the time this becomes an actual issue you'll have bigger problems than not being able to play shitty sony slops without the internet
>>737782390No I'd rather we get back on topic where I laugh at you consolecucks getting btfo and losing your physical games too.
>>737782467not a single good game there, what a waste of physical space
>>737782513>poorfag anon gives up when faced with showing his windows 98se laptop fucking lol @ retarded poors
the blacks and arabs who only have a ps5 to play FIFA and 2K online wont even notice this
>>737778351Do you have a piss Valve on your cuck cage?
>>737782153Me? No one, but people who only play on consoles and don't use a PC for gaming can't do thatI don't know if they also find it comfortable to play these games on a phone without a proper controller.I also don't know if they're okay with downloading the ISO or ROM of a game, and that there's no way to run the legitimate copy of the game you bought before
>>737778623retard.the whole reason people are freaking out is after they kill ps4/ps5 online, all your digital games will stop working after 30 days.
>>737782203This. Nintendo and sony work on the whataboutism fallacy. they both hopped on the paid online bandwagon, arguing "our service is better". Nintendo's biggest advertising point was that "ours is cheaper".How do people not know about these kind of scams?
I guess I'll be buying physical now when possible.
>>737778351lol this nigga typed this unironically. hows that steam account?
>>737782568>this desperate baiting because the consolecuck cant defend his megacorp anymore and he knows itLmfao. Again, these cucks do it for FREE
>>737778267>service rep>probably an AI chatbot doesn't mean jack shit they never have accurate information but you niggers will spread the fud anyways to get one over on the "snoy"
Incredible how Sony has gone through two console generations with no games, paid online subscriptions, no reason to own their systems whatsoever, and yet there are people still defending this anti consumer update like they really had to weigh their options here.
what does this even accomplish? to my understanding piracy isnt really a thing on PS5 last I checked it's really difficult to even get your hands on a PS5 with firmware that is jailbreakable even. What is Sony gaining from doing this?
>>737782656>s-s-stop insulting sony for their constant greed and evil! don't you know that nintendo did thing that is less bad!
You don't hate sony and sony cultist enough
>>737781668Look, you're getting the wrong information. If you bought the game on Steam, you'll need your Steam account. If you have the files, you just have to go through a file verification process, so you don't have to download them.DRM-free games are a different story, like the ones sold by GOG or some of the free games on the Epic Games Store, or pirated games, those don’t have DRM, and there’s no license tied to them, so you can install them anywhere.I can give my friend a copy of Resident Evil Village cracked by voices38, and the game will work. A friend can give me a copy of Stardew Valley that they bought on GOG, and that game will work for me. To play a game I bought on Steam, as long as I have my Steam account, I can play it, but if I want to play it outside of Steam, I have to crack it, and I can do that using the Steam files I have, which are called Steam Clean Files
>>737782710>spend 10 minutes calling out console cuck >runs away the moment he's put on the spot loser
>>737782702>PC = SteamStay on console, you clearly cant function without corporate cum in your ass
>>737782903>you just have to go through a file verification processlol retard
>>737778660doesn't exist on pc nigger
>>737778267>XboxThey're already doing it on Xbox PC, and it's only 14 days for Xbox handheld, kek. This shit is coming to Xbox Helix and Microsoft expects you to pay $1200+ for that with paid online, no third-party stores, XPA, while being a fusion of Xbox console/PC store. You normalfags retards deserve this for ignoring Switch and Steam. Get fucked.
>>737778267It's over
>>737782832>s-s-stop insulting sony for their constant greed and evil! Nobody said that you schizo.
>>737781483Is she ok?
>>737778623Imagine living in a cucked society run by pedophiles.
>>737778267Annoying but not like it's going to make any practical difference to 99.99% of people. When would this be an issue? When you take the console with you on a six-month stint to an isolated underwater drilling facility or remote Antarctic research base? Hopefully by the time they end support for the PS4/5 or PSN dies, it'll be as easy to jailbreak the consoles and load up them up with PKGs as the PS3.
>>737782598>I don't know if they also find it comfortable to play these games on a phone without a proper controller.In between whatever mobile game they're playing, kids are emulating on their phones now and don't seem to mind on way or the other about the "proper controller" part. I don't see why that wouldn't continue on in the future.>I also don't know if they're okay with downloading the ISO or ROM of a gameAgain, they seem to have no problem with this on their phone now. Where are you getting that they don't know how to do this or that it basically isn't just down for them at this point? We aren't in the early 2000s anymore.
>>737782467>La ascención del roninsame vibes
>>737778267Just use your phone as a mobile Hotspot to check in.
>>737781483
>>737782552yeah , like who the fuck played Elden Ring, RE4 and final fantasy games? Never even heard of them
YO ME LA COOOOOOOOMPRAAARIIIIIIIIAAAAA
>>737779231I love how consoletards think the entire PC platform runs on Steam. Hey, genius, how do you think game distribution worked BEFORE Valve released Half-Life 2? The games magically shipped in their jewel cases and automatically floated through the air to be installed on your machine? Lmao snoys are so dumb
Not even the most rabid snoytard will defend this shit, right? Holy fuck imagine needing corporate permission to watch a movie you purchased. How do consolefags live like this?
>>737783193The fact that 90% of your game library is tranime JRPGs doesn't inspire hope.
>>737783274>I do own games. >but they're all 25 years old shut up thirdy
>>737782162That's my i5 from 2020, and I bought the GPU this year, it's the 16GB version. I used to have a gtx 1660SYou know you don't need to upgrade the whole PC, just a few parts, to be able to play new games, right?pic rel is Pragmata running on my current PC
>>737783348>imagine needing corporate permission to watch a movie you purchasedThis has been the case for awhile. Some service (might've been sony, kek) removed purchased movies from customers libraries because of licensing expiring
>>737778623>early 90schrist, it was wonderful, and we can never go back
>>737778267Snoys will say absolutely nothing for this and will attack Nintendo on full force for the next thing they do (good or bad).
>denuvo dies>sony cranks up their drm>microsoft starts patching all these new exploitsim nooticing
>>737783383is it?
>>737779231Literally the only place where you can still play your purchased games from 2004 to 2013.
>>737783074>kids are emulating on their phones nowI'm talking about people who already owned these consoles in the past and buy them there, not those who never did
>>737783425>it can run a game at 1080p fucking lol
>>737783527not a single good game there
>>737778267but anon the ps5 has no games
>>737783519Dont forget SKG. This reeks of preemptive efforts from console corporstions to stop anything like it from happening to them
>>737780964You can emulate the PS3 too? Console from the same generation of the Wii
>>737783591Yes. PC has no games
>>737778267>All the people who had the Silent Hills PT demo still installed on their PS4 are going to lose itFuck
>>737783519Is something actually finally happening?
>>737782629That's not how it works you fucking moron.
Brownest thread on /v/rowns right now
>IT'S NOT REAL AND IF IT'S REAL IT'S A GOOD THING!!!!Ah yes the leftards of vidya.
>>737778413>fumblesnoyniggers won't do shit.
I own 1 PlayStation 5 game.Probably won't be getting another console for life.
>>737783527>REturnal>lords of the Fallen>Skyrim>Bioshock infinite>cyberpunkGeez anon, get better taste.
>>737783720What like?
>>737778413>What were they thinking?
>>737778436I never forgot.Sony obviously did though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
>>737778463Two generations ago, I liked MMA games. They're still console exclusives still, and I'd like to play them, but I don't know if they're good.
>>737778613>PS2's are dying out.They died so much even when they were new that a lawsuit happened.
>>737783606nta but I reckon this as well, all of this shit seems to coincide with SKG getting stronger support in the EU so all these scumsucking corpofucks are doubling down in a frenzy to try and pilpul their way out of ever letting players own vidya.
>>737783421plenty of games available on gog, and many on steam have no DRMbut that doesn't matter because piracy is trivial and guarantees ownership
>>737778267Switching to Xbox? Just go steam machine or deck.
>>737783653>megacorp makes things worse for their sheeple flock and gets jeets to defend themNo. This is bog standard stuff
>>737783805Yeah I've looked. All the games are dogshit.
>>737783746
How long until xbox and steam implement a similar system?
>>737778613Valve is still making new ones. Literally all these turds are good for is PS2 era emulation.
>>737783853lol. I play PC games not phone games anon
>>737783853>2843.2 hours on Terrariabased
>>737783853see >>737783591
>>737783654That is absolutely how it will work, you worthless fucking retarded piece of shit bootlicker.This shit happens. It is normal for these companies to pull this shit.
>>737783889>WHERE ARE THE GRAPHICS?! I NEED MUH SUPER HIGH DEF GRAPHICS>AIEEEE SONY SAVE ME
>ctrl + f japan>0 resultsReminder that snoy is a japanese company, looks like they were the jews of asia all along.
>>737783889play movie games then
>>737783853Actual dogshit taste holy fuck I was agreeing with you at first goddamn
>>737783965>I play games which don't have graphics because I can't afford a Peeceee
>>737783653its always been a cat & mouse game.
>>737782965>confuses local file verification with license verificationyou're the retard here
>>737783965When my PC costs 4 digits yes, you pathetic contrarian faggot retard.
>>737778267WTF why are people buying digital copies for games on consoles?That's extra retarded.
>>737783982Sony is Japanese, but Playstation is not.
>>737783867Xbox is doing it already. Steam cant.
>>737778267Good job Sony.
>>737778351They hate you because you’re right piratechad. You ARE a piratechad, right?
>>737784043>>737783998What being a graphics obsessed kid does to an MF.
>>737784056Morons can't wait for the physical game to be delivered to their home.
>>737783982playstation hq has been in california since ps4 era. ken kuturagi died so some american can live.
>>737784080>Steam can'thahahahaha you are just as delusional as tendies.
>>737784095>PCMR is playing ZX Spectrum games ha ha ha
>>737783639>mfw I just realized that
>>737784126>you are just as delusional as ten-NO STOP YOU CANT DO THAT THAT'S STEALING THAT'S PIRACY STOOOOOOOPPPP!!!!Give it a rest, corporate bootlicker.
>>737783653>So-called good men stand around while a tiny fringe minority fails to stop everything from getting worse at the hands of people so evil they literally eat childrenYou are living in a mediocre novel.
>>737784080The Xbox Series X asks you to connect to the internet before playing any games when first setting it up, right?
>>737783853>when you're gloating in a console thread but your PC is a 2010 Windows Tablet
>>737778267Why?AFAIK piracy is impossible on PS5, any installed digital game will be one the user bought.
>asking customer support for informationyou might as well ask a ouija board
>>737781012>and games on disclollmao even
>>737778561Not him, it does, but it last for a year. This can change at any time. Nintendo and Steam are the only ones that don't have this at all
>>737778267I just wanted to play video games. Why are jews like this? I would say corporates should get Luigi'd but that was a psyop too.
>>737783946>this shit happensRetard
>>737784186taking peoples work without paying for it is bad anon.
>>737784239piracy is possible for any game from 2023 and before.
>>737778623I can turn on my old consoles and play games flawlessly because they don't require internet connectivity.If I do the same thing a decade later with current generation consoles, even if its a game with absolutely no online features (or only trivial useless features), it won't work.
>>737778267You'll be getting this next after the rollout in the UK is deemed a "success".Good luck.
>>737782325You have to it's your only valid choice,make a list perhaps on pcpartpicker.com or search and ask for builds in the community with your budget and then buy parts at pace you can afford,see you on the other side fren
>>737784313Really? I didn't know that, how's that work?
>>737784234>>737784141Meanwhile you were gloating over literal shit like Skyrim and Cyberpunk. Not sure if you're in a position to trash talk other games. Besides, you've yet to explain why my game offerings are bad.
>>737784056Some games are game key discs like hogwarts legacy so physical is (or was) pointless.
>>737781387You do though, just not for a month like with Sony, for now. Microsoft gives you a year.
>>737784302Is that what the Sony rep told you as they gaped your asshole?
>>737783639The PT demo isn't a game purchased after March 2026 you dolt. It's also easy to pirate it if you delete it.
>affected content: games purchased after march 2026 updateFor now.
>>737784360I am in a position to trash talk. I can play and run every single game available. You can't run fucking skyrim at higher than 30fps
>>737783867Xbox already does it, Steam will never do it
>>737784095>MFI'm older than you by at least a full decade. Guaranteed.Not surprising that zoomer vermin has total dogshit taste and inisists the whole industry be derivative indie garbage and multiplayer slop.
>>737784381Don't you mind people taking your stuff?
>>737784380Proof?
>>737784371That makes sense, same with multiplayer only shit too.
>>737778267>or anything like thatfake and gay
>>7377843538.00 and earlier firmware has kernel access which is keys to the mansion type deal like PS3/PS4. Any games before 8.00 firmware are playable.
>PC owners gloating when very soon they'll need to upload their biometrics just to log into their OS.
>>737784325Meanwhile Starmer can rape Ukrainian boys without any problem in his fortified mansion.
>>737782480More like Sneed if Play
>>737783867Xbox makes sense because Microsoft are fucking retarded.Don't see any reason Valve would bother with that
>>737784445Did the sony exec tell you intellectual property is actual property when he finished on your face?
>>737784492very soon they'll be streaming 1080p games with 100ms latency
>>737784536Let me guess, you don't have a job.
>>737784418>I can play and run every single game availableAnd what did that get you? Slop from Bethesda and walking simulators.Great use of that RTX 5090.
>>737784126Valve knows someone will bomb them if they remove this feature so you're talking directly out of your anus.
>>737784487I imagine those consoles are kept offline and the policy in OP wouldn't affect that, right?
>>737778267>he believes the AI chat botDo snoys really?
>>737784492>thinking this won't come to consoles too and having a requirement to show ID or the console won't function
>>737784587I get the option to run whatever I want. I'm not limited to playing dogshit and having to pretend it's what I enjoy.
>>737784584That,'s right. They didnt rape you, you paid corporate suits to fill your holes.
>>737784442why the fuck does this list have a "generic sports game current year edition" on it?
>>737784594you cant use psn on older firmware so these online checks dont apply
>>737778267oh wow no more offline games. And then when they EoS service on their console it will be nothing but a brick.Devious.
>multiple price hikes>keeps shutting down studios so they can waste billions of dollars on shitting out concord-like games that no one cares about>still no games>now sony for some reason requires you to renew your game license every month or else they'll prevent you from playing itHow does this brand still have a cultish fanbase?
>>737784296It happened with the 360.Your entire argument is just namecalling and I hope your house burns down while you're getting groceries and you arrive just in time to hear your family burning to death screaming.
>console is offline>so don't get a firmware update which forces me to log inwhat's the problem?
>>737784686>it happened with the 360Retard
>>737784452>Xboxhttps://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/games-apps/game-setup-and-play/play-games-offline-on-windows-10-using-offline-mode#:~:text=Note%20It's%20important%20to%20complete,go%20back%20to%20playing%20offline.>Note Xbox Game Pass game licenses expire after 30 days when playing offline, and licenses for owned games expire after one year. To keep playing your game offline, go back online and launch the game. This renews the game’s license on your device and ensures that you can go back to playing offline.As of right now, this is just for PC, as a warning for those wanting that Helix shit. Game Pass could be a different story though
>>737783573>I'm talking about people who already owned these consoles in the past and buy them there, not those who never didSo people who, for example, already owned a PS2 in the past and bought PS2 games there? Wouldn't the people who bought PS2s in the past who still care enough about PS2 games know how to emulate them both on their PC and their phone (if they aren't already doing so now).
>>737778267Is this Sony's attempt to get in front of SKG?
>>737784662>jobless brown anon tries to validate why he exists.
>>737784492All that's happening is that intelligent human beings with souls are moving to Linux.You will remain a corporate slave no matter what fantasy you conjure.
>>737784761shut up pedo
>>737784492Sure, if you're a MicroSlop cuck that is.Linux chads stay winning.
>>737784746>corporate cumsock tries to validate why he exists.
>>737784664>Every game released within the year>Why are yearly sports game there?What makes weebs so arrogant and smug when they are always this dumb?I know it's hard to believe the industry is this shit now but the average year use to look like a best of list.Stop buying trash.
Reminder, the original rumor about this also mentioned that this is coming to Xbox too, whether that be Series consoles, Xbox PC, or both, I do not know.
>>737784717Your whole family should die in a fire.I don't even care if you see it.
>>737784092What if i don't want to pay the malware tax?
>>737784761You mean UCUNTU with that FAGGOT penguin?
>>737784673well then I'm stumped on the "why" againxbox does it too so presumably there's some business reason but fuck if I know what it is
>>737784779>projectingStop electing and protecting pedophiles before you throw it around like an insult, you sub-human nigger cattle
>>737778267Playstation users are the kind of gay that thinks about going trans and wants to infect others.Xbox users love underage girls and dream of slamming cunny.We are not the same.
>>737784981no I use BABABUI
>>737784910That's not every game released in 2005.
>>737785056This is rumored to be hitting Xbox too, if you get a PlayStation or Xbox, you deserve everything coming to you.
>>737778267Don't forget that their disc drives are linked to the mobo as well and only Sony can fix them, so the moment they drop support and the drive fails, it's a brick.
>>737781740>so? its something you are able to do.Backing up pre-authed games and hoping the hard drive doesn't die, and there are no issues with the transfer process, and no issues with future hardware, and that the authorization never accidentally resets due to unknown reasons (for example a mismatch in system/hardware to when it was authorized), will never be a valid means of preservation. You've got nothing. The only thing that can be relied upon is fully DRM-free and piracy. With regards to current console games and their licenses, I think and hope the PS3 is a good indicator of what the situation will be when the PS4/PS5 eventually becomes legacy.
>>737778267All the more reason to skip getting a PS5 (and maybe the PS6)
I don't buy this at all. Until they make an official announcement this is all just fear mongering
>>737785356>All the more reason to skip getting a PS5You already did skip it. Its been 6 years.
>>737784783Linux is the least secure of all the platforms. At least with Microshit and Apple, only the US and Israel are spying on you. Every country on Earth has a Linux backdoor, and they all spy on Linux users twice as hard because most Linux users are pedophiles and dissidents.
Doesn't this fucking means I'm just renting the game? Lmao at the end of the day someone is getting my money just for me to play it even if my Internet provider has nothing to do with Sony
>>737778267>finally get pole position again, basically no competition>immediately begin violently diarrhea shitting all over your customersWhy is Sony like this?
>>737778267>Thank you for your interest on the 30-Day Timer that is being applied to all new purchases.>on>capitalizing 30-Day Timer>that is being appliedThis is so obviously written by an Indian ESL that I do not believe it's real.
>>737785575old fat cat jap CEOs are greedy fucks
>>737784962Retard
>>737781392>snoy makes you buy??Is sony coming to your house and threatening to shoot your dog, if you don't buy?
>pay money>dont pay a literal subscription service that has nothing to do with playstation>money stolenBack in my day, just having electricity allowed you to use your console + games as much as you wanted
>>737785491Technically you always rented the game, you pay for a license to play the game for a undetermined period, and it can be revoked for reasons in the TOS. They will simply start checking if you own the licenses more often.IIRC this exists since the PS3, but the timer was months and only applied to secondary accounts, or something like that.
>>737781875>Console owners are all children/minoritiesthis
>>737783586I have a 1080p monitor, and this GPU is designed to run games at native 1080p–1440p resolutionsYou can still run games at 4K if you want using FSR 4, but at that point, you’re better off buying an RX 9070 XT, which is much more expensive, this one cost me $380It’s funny that the PS5 only runs it at 1080p, and you need a PS5 Pro if you want to run it at 1440p, neither console can run it at 4K. It also uses FSR 1, so the visuals look worse and the performance is worse toohttps://www.digitalfoundry.net/features/how-to-run-pragmata-at-1440p-on-playstation-5-but-should-you
>>737785736Not how it works but I support your hatred
>>737778267>snoys pivoting from IT'S NOT REAL to WHO EVEN CARES real quickembarrassing
>>737785575>finally get pole position again, basically no competitionGot raped by the switch and currently getting double teamed by S2
>>737783519>use Windows 11You're a big part of the problem
>>737784720>>Note Xbox Game Pass gameDo you read the shit you reference?
>get sent to Israel >barracks PS5 can't play any games
>>737785835all this stuff gets backported to windows 10
>>737783617>You can emulate the PS3 too?Yes. Obviously we have RPCS3, but there are others out there too.
>>737785961nope
>>737784056if you want DLCs and certain games it's your only choice unfortunately, not everything gets a physical release
>>737785356>Skip the PS5 and maybe the PS6?Nigga you think the PS6 is going to be better?
>>737780964yet Sony almost killed PS3/PSP store for good a few years ago, and there wouldn't be any way to redownload shit. If it wasn't for the outcry your digital shit would be gone.
>>737784727Why are you bringing up PS2 games, a console that didn't sell its games online, just to try to prove your point about emulation? That's not the point, and you're not getting what I'm saying. The point is that it would be easier if Sony or Nintendo let you play the games you already bought in the past on your current consoles, instead of having to rely on third parties for thatYou don’t need that on a PC; I don’t see why they couldn’t do something similar on consolesThey’re selling you PS1, PS2, and Virtual Console games through subscriptions, instead of giving you options to play the games you’ve already bought on previous consoles, like with XboxIt’s clear what their priorities are, and it’s clear that people just accept it without question, like you defending them just because emulation exists
Why do pcfags get so worked up about this when they can't even play a game without connecting to steam?Anyone who buys digital games is retard and deserves everything bad happening to them.
>>737786187Because we actually can. Most Steam stuff doesn't even have DRM other than just opening the client, which can be done in offline mode.And gog, piracy and direct downloads still exist.
>>737782552>t. troon faggot
>>737786187physical games have been the disk 1 install for digital games for some time now
>>737778267This is why I built a PC and pirate games and movies. Pirating is always morally permissible.
>>737778623I don't think that's the problem.The issue is in the (currently) far future, when whatever online service is doing this thing shuts down for the PS4 and now you lose access to games you bought because it can't "verify" that it's a real copy anymore and maintain the license.
>>737778351SPBP
It's ok when Nintendo does it.
>>737786135>and there wouldn't be any way to redownload shitWrong. They wanted to kill the store for new purchases, presumably because the low traffic wasn't worth keeping the infrastructure and support going, but you were always going to be able to download already owned titles.
>>737786187I knew what I was getting when I bought a digital game, which is why I bought it on Steam for a literal 90% discount where I can play it offline indefinitely.
>>737786340nintendo doesn't do it, you can keep digital games on your system for as long as you like offline
>>737778319>>737778351A PC costs as much as a used car
>>737786248>Most Steam stuff doesn't even have DRMLol, lmao even. Piracy is the only thing you can rely on completely with Steam, and piracy is/will be available for the consoles as well. Get off your high horse, it's the same shit for all of the digital distributors except GOG.
>>737784683I think they know they can take advantage of zoomers and gen alphas who don't know any better. xbox attempting this shit with the xbox one forever ruined its reputation but nowadays corporations can hike up prices and restrict basic user access just to be met with a few upset social media videos and comments on said videos of outraged individuals but no one will do anything outside of that and continue to support getting fucked up the ass.
>>737786269Not true and also doesn't matter, you still own the disk and can do whatever the fuck you want with it. With a digital purchase that is not possible.
>>737778267I was thinking about getting Unicorn Overlord, but oh well.
>>737786297This happened to everyone who played genshin impact on PS4. Hoyo stopped supporting the PS4, and Ps4 owners unless they bought a PS5, they lost everything they put into genshin, time, money. >In before it's a gacha they got what they deserved
>>737786584this is why we need digital ownership laws and protection
>>737786516>piracy is/will be available for the consoles as well.next level cope holy shit lmao
>>737786584can't you link account to mobile or pc, why didn't they just do that before shutdown, gachatards really are retarded
>>737786187If Steam goes down one day and they don't honor their pledge to disable all DRM first I at the very least have the option to crack the games I purchased so I can continue playing them. Console owners are fucked once these console manufacturers feel they've boiled you slowly enough to accept a cloud/sub based only future.
>>737785916>and licenses for owned games expire after one year.Do you, retarded ESL Xbot? Why do you faggots keep switching between PlayStation and Xbox when Steam and Switch are right there? What's wrong with you? Are you faggots even real gamers?
>>737786340Seriously anon, I can't stand tendies either, but this is cope.
>>737786558>Not true and also doesn't matter, you still own the disk and can do whatever the fuck you want with it.It was true with PC though, and a big reason everyone moved to Steam, because the physical releases were no better so you just got the worst of both worlds. How are those Securom activation servers holding up these days?
>>737786558it is true. ever hear of a day 1 patch? entire game mechanics, items, quest lines, and expansions are digital only having a locally stored digital version of a game is objectively superior to any disc nowadays
>>737785961Microsoft no longer provides that kind of support for Windows 10, so no
>>737778267>I'm fully switching to Xbox lmaooh no no no no no
>>737778623i hope you'll think the same when you're sitting in your garage in 2060 waiting for your car to update
>>737786516It literally doesn't, most devs only use Steamworks, which is the basic bitch client DRM. Denuvo and other crap is AAA shit and limited to like 6 companies. Steam Deck would be a useless brick if that wasn't the case lol
>>737786773These fuckers are truly braindead; they only know how to get PlayStation and Xbox while Sony and Microsoft continue fuck them in the ass hader.
>>737786653Agree 100% isn't Europe trying to do this.
>>737786482stop being indian
>>737786675I think because the game was purchased from psn, I don't know, maybe it has to be on a Sony ecosystem since it was purchased from psn? Don't really know, I just remember a lot of them crying about it on /vg/.
>>737786187>they can't even play a game without connecting to steam?>Anyone who buys digital games is retard and deserves everything bad happening to them.Why don't you read the whole fucking thread instead of talking shit?Legally DRM-free games exist, GOG exist, and piracy exist, you don't need Steam to play games on a PC
>>737786670You can jailbreak/CFW a PS3 easily, then install as many PKGs for games as you want, even download them directly from the official servers. I'm willing to bet cash money that if the PS4/5 ever gets sunset to the point where you can no longer play your purchased digital games, the same will be developed for them too. And if not no big deal, I'll just pirate all the games on PC or maybe emulate them there instead.
>>737778267SNOY is GOY
>Ps5 gets a unpatchable hack>sony adds strict drm to new digital purchases are they stupid?
>>737786803>It literally doesn't use DRM, it only uses DRM
>>737787242wait, you might be onto somethingis this all because they somehow wants to get around the hacks?
>>737787242>are they stupid?Is Sony stupid? Yes anon, they paid 6.3 billion for bungie studios. Which gave them great hits like Concord, and Marathon.....the Sony I used to love is dead.
>>737787395If anything this just pushes more people to piracy
You WILL rebuy $70 games for having your console in storage for 31 days.
>>737786680Yes, as long as the games can be cracked that is. That argument is also completely irrelevant since consoles for now have always been cracked sooner or later, so a console user could claim that it doesn't matter because in the future they could jailbreak their console. It's not an argument.>>737786737The big reason you moved to steam is because it was pretty much the only store with a wide variety of games. Easy to access and also it's convenient to not use disks nor buy disk readers.>>737786747Not true for the majority of the games and again it's completely irrelevant, you retards really don't get it.As long as you have a disk you can do whatever you want with your game, buy it offline, play it offline, sell it, lend it to a friend, a family member, your kid in the future even, you can do whatever you want with it. With a digital "license" you can't do shit, you own nothing. I don't care if the version in the disk is the 1.0, that's not the main discussion here, even if by some unfortunate reason in the future, the patches were not available, that would still be better than not being able to play it at all.>>737787018GOG has no games, I have serious doubts about it continuing far into the future with the problems it's having, and piracy is not an argument since it applies to everything. It's insane how much you pcfags want to cope about this. Every digital fag is the same kind of cattle. Digital is only for piracy.
This also brings back the cbomb issue that they previously fixed
>>737787479Not how it works
>>737778351Direct me where i can buy modern drm free physical copies and get a modern operating system that doesn't require a subscription and/or constant online connection and i gladly will.
>>737787496>Not true for the majority of the gamesit is a literal industry standard to update games with huge multi gigabyte patches. discs are manufactured and shipped before the digital equivalent launches, so they need a patch to reach version parity enjoy your beta version
>>737786160>You don’t need that on a PC; I don’t see why they couldn’t do something similar on consolesBecause consoles and PC are distinct with different philosophies behind them to begin with. As much as people want to say consoles are just gimped PCs, that's only true from a strict, technical perspective. You are not allowed (or literally cannot) run emulators on a console. You cannot do work on a console. You cannot do anything on console except play the approved current generation video games that the company who made said console allows you to play (each game is a license, including the physical copies you have) and you abide by the rules they set. Consoles are just a way for you to funnel more money directly to the company who made it. Whether that be Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft it doesn't matter. So to answer your question for "if the PC can do it, why can't consoles" it's because these companies don't own the PC, but they do own the consoles. Nintendo owns the Nintendo consoles, Sony own the PlayStation, and Microsoft owns the Xbox. So they are well within their parameters to do what they do in order to create a walled garden ecosystem which guarantees they wring the most money out of you. They made the garden, they direct, lead and set the rules and guidelines for that garden. So if they decide to shut down any of their online stores, there was liking a clause in the TOS that you didn't read which said they have full rights and authority to do so.Video game machines are locked down digital toy boxes where the toy maker has complete legal authority over you and you agree to it. PCs are just a platform by which toy makers can distribute their games, but they, as distributers do not have control over the platform by why the games are distributed themselves. That's why consoles can't do what PCs or even phones can.
So am i wrong or does this mean you are required to pay Sony for internet as well to play single player games?
>>737787465>the Sony I used to love is deadHas been for about a decade now.
>>737787756Again, not the main discussion, and again, you are wrong, please educate yourself steamie https://www.doesitplay.org/
>>737778267>cant even own your own games on ps5>Meanwhile you can literally turn an Xbox series x into an emulation machine using Microsoft's own developer infrastructure Xbros, we won
>>737778267people always telling me i dont own anything on steam based on some nebulous hyperbole that steam is going to steal all my games one daythen sony actually goes ahead and does it
>>737778267>im switching to the more evil corporation to retaliate to the less evil corporation
>>737782203>>737782656Mum both sides are bad!I didn't know snoys were Russians.
>>737787496>Easy to access and also it's convenient to not use disks nor buy disk readers.Of course, but my point was that unlike physical on console, where you could actually own a game on disc and have it play on any console without connecting to anything, as far into the future as the hardware and disc survived, the same was not true with PC. Late-stage physical on PC meant you got inconvenienced AND you still had no ownership due to all the license and activation crap. So there was literally no point in staying with physical media unless you wanted a useless little plastic box on your shelf.
>>737788014Um, yes? Do you think big corporations are your friends?
>>737787087ok let's set aside the fact that the PS3 is two (2) generations old. it took YEARS for reliable soft modding to become a thing, and sony STILL tries to break it even in 2026.console piracy is only a good option for playing older games on outmoded machines with no internet connection, PC gaymen does not have this limitation.oh, and remember the Other OS feature that let you do cool shit with your PS3 before sony just abruptly revoked it from everyone because there was a small chance it would make piracy slightly easier? yeah, real compelling example of a reason to spend money on a console.let's also set aside the fact that unlike the PS3, the PS4/5 barely even have enough games to warrant buying a console, even if you can play the games for free.this is a naive assumption, because the ENTIRE POINT of a console is to be as locked down as possible. they are physical DRM enforcement devices, and all three console manufacturers spend huge amounts of money every year researching and developing new ways to make them as difficult to mod and pirate on as possible. the PS3 was child's play compared to the 4/5 and it still was not easy to do.basically the only real argument that puts consoles ahead of PCs is that the AI slop bubble hasn't popped yet so commodity PC hardware is still ludicrously expensive...oh wait, sony's increasing console prices because of this. lol, lmao
>>737787919Xbox dev mode requires a 30 day online check in to use lol
>>737778351stop being anti-semetic!
>>737787904Nobody wants to play a game without the day 1 patch dude.
>sony spent a billion dollars in court trying to get the ability to shut off people's internet >they later release this shit where not connecting to the internet takes your games away snoys would have been defending sony bricking people's PS5s because they listened to 10 seconds of licensed music on youtube
>>737778267SONY GOOOOOOOOOOODS GET AN XBRO TO PLEASURE MY WIFE AND MY WALLET IS YOURS
>>737788550I think it's time to address the big corpo problem. They're getting too tyrannical.
>>737788550lol what the hell, they're so bipolar in how they screw the customer
>>737787496>GOG has no gamespic rel are my gog games, most of them are from when I had prime video for $3 a month>and piracy is not an argument since it applies to everythingThe thing is, with a PC you can use piracy to your advantage, but it also has the benefit of preserving games. On consoles, if a game isn’t resold, it’s effectively dead; on a PC, however, it’s preserved for the future
>>737778267PS5 has games?
>>737778267coming soon to nintendo and microsoft, you will own nothing and fuck you for even trying to be happy about it, pleb.
>>737778267>Chatbot gamed to get the response some Xbox nigger wantedYour FUD isn't working here, ESL.
>>737789429あと二週間
>>737787919>30-day online checks for Dev Mode>30-day online checks for Game Pass>356-day online checks for owned games on Xbox PC>discontinuing the Xbox Series X|S when the Xbox Helix releases>phasing out the Xbox One/Series ERA development environment for the Win32 development environment>Xbox Helix is a locked down Xbox PC with console emulation>Xbox Helix will have a 356-day DRM check-in for own digital games while being a digital-only "console"
>>737789478Latest cope just dropped! Let's Go!
>>737789429Nope, just Microsoft
>>737789571no just nintendo, ms doesn't have goykey cards or make you pay a sub to back up your save files, tendietranny
>>737789564I'm not buying a Transbox, Josh Stein.
>>737778267I'm confused, why are people talking about this now? I discovered this within the first few months of having a PS4 that I didn't have connected to the internet.
>>737789614Nintendo and Valve are the only ones not doing this, get fucked, next gen Xbox will have a 1-year online check unless they reduce that for Helix.
>>737778351Desperate snoy.
>>737789614>>737789618
>>737788352This is a thread about digital ownership, not a general PC vs console owner's debate. All digital ownership except GOG sucks for preservation, that's just a fact. And if we accept that piracy in some form or another will be the only real solution in the far future, then whether you buy the games on Steam or PSN today has no relevance at all. The reality is that the more attack vectors available, the better for everyone. Ponder for example that both Steam and PSN went kaput in the future and hypervisor was never a thing. Then we could potentially have been in a situation where trying to jailbreak a PS5 to the same levels as PS3 is now would be the more worthwhile option, rather than individually trying to crack all the Denuvo-infested PC games that were left hanging.
I really hope the internet goes down for a couple of weeks for everyone at some point. We will see who survives and who had all their entertainment online.
>>737787781>Because consoles and PC are distinctNot for console video game companies, there’s a reason why, when they release exclusives, they often exclude the PC as well or are selective about it>You are not allowed (or literally cannot) run emulators on a console>iterally cannotThe games included in the PlayStation Plus Premium subscription give you access to a classic catalog of PS1 and PS2 games; all of these games are emulatedNintendo Classics, part of the Nintendo Switch Online subscription, lets you play a classic catalog of games ranging from the NES to the GameCube, and all of those games are emulated.Why do you say it’s not allowed, if the games themselves are emulated? They aren’t running natively; they’re games emulated directly on the consoleDid you ignore what I said about Xbox? Did you ignore what I said about Xbox? Original Xbox and Xbox 360 games also run via emulation, aside from the fact that some are offered through Game Pass, but if you have the original game on disc, you can play themhttps://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/games-apps/backward-compatibility/play-xbox-360-games-on-xbox-oneSo with emulated games, you can still access them without having to subscribe or buy them again.Why do you think I brought this up? Because if PCs can do it, and Xbox can do it, Nintendo and Sony can tooStop defending those damn companies, man. They don’t put food on your table. You have to be on the consumer’s side, not the company’s. Regardless of whether consoles are closed hardware, I just showed you that they can do it, but it depends on them, and on people not being so permissive so they don’t get screwed over. If people don’t complain and just let it slide with excuses like you do, they’ll keep doing the same thing, and they’ll keep selling you the same game from three generations ago over and over again
>>737779132>>737779181at least my experience with steam is that it's not based on consecutive days, they run the loicense check every 30 so if that happens to align with any kind of service disruption you're fucked. we had 2 back to back power outages last summer and the only game on my sneed deck that would work was lumines
>>737789740nitendo makes you pay a subscription to play gamecube games, xbox doesn't require the same for og or 360 xbox gamesshitendo sues emulator devs,xbox allows you to install them to your consoleshitendo has a useless button on their controll that doesn't work unless you pay a sub, xbox doesn't80% of shitch poo physical third party games are on goycuck cards, less than 20% of retail xbox disc don't contain the entire game nitendo makes you pay a subscription to back your save files up, xbox doesn'tyour pathetic attemps at trying to shoehorn your dogshit in with valve is funny though. xbox is more pro-consumer in every way
>>737782903some steam games can be copied on pc without steam and played there(no drm or steamworks needed)
>>737782656>How do people not know about these kind of scams?Because people treat Nintendo, Sony, or whatever else like a religion, and religious people don't like it when you speak ill of them, even if they're actually doing bad things>>737788014>my snoyI play on pc, I don't like being stepped on by companies
>>737782571>brings up blacks and arabs out of nowhereYou wouldn't either if you weren't terminally online reading shitposts all day. Don't think it makes you special.
>>737789928>xbox doesn't require the same for og or 360 xbox gamesThey're requiring you to pay $1200+ just to play them on their Helix.>80% of shitch poo physical third party games are on goycuck cards, less than 20% of retail xbox disc don't contain the entire gameNext gen Xbox won't even have a disc drive.>nitendo makes you pay a subscription to back your save files up, xbox doesn'tMicrosoft wants you to pay for a Game Pass tier on their $1200+ console just to use online. You can stop shilling Microsoft, they're worse in every way. As bad as Sony.
I'm switcihng to the steam machine. We're literally so close to launch.
>>737790067Based
>>737778267yo actually steam should release their steam machine like right fucking now
>this thread is going to reach 500+ posts and it's only going to take 4 hours!Snoys are seething!
Seriously though unless your shit is hacked who the fuck doesn't have internet access 24/7 these days
>>737778267What happens if the servers shuts down for the PS5?
>>737790148YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP!
>>737789859>Why do you say it’s not allowed, if the games themselves are emulatedPrimarily because you aren't allowed as per the manufacturer of the company. THEY can, but you can't and they are legally within their right to do it. Just like they can shut down whatever they want, too. Not saying I endorse it, but they can and will. Nintendo has been using ROMs and emulators since at least the Wii, but if you want to put ZSNES on the Wii that's against the rules they set. I think you understood that, but I think you enjoy the back and forth, which I can respect. Basically everyone here is just bots and people paid to shit it up anymore, so I understand.What anime are you watching AnimeImageAnon?
>>737790053>They're requiring you to pay $1200+ just to [headcanon].cope harder faggot>Next gen Xbox won't even [headcanon].cope harder faggot>Microsoft wants you to pay for a Game Pass tier on [headcanon].lmfao, nothing but delusions with you. you can stop shilling sloptendo when they're worse in every way
>>737789917Have you retards never heard of mobile hotspot/tethering
>about to reach bump limit>he arrivessup baldy
>>737790148Then you buy the PS6
>>737789429>BU-BUH nintendo and microsoft!!!!!every time shitstation rams head first into these anti-consumer self owns you snoy cultists scream about anyone else just to avoid the fact that snoy station have been doing this shit first for a decade already, testing the boundaries and paving the way for the other to follow years later.
>>737790206>>737790053xbox didn't have paid upgrade for any of their first party crossgen games either.....spictendies really are the worst
>>737778771>change .dll>launch game just fine
>>737790147>Seriously though unless your shit is hacked who the fuck doesn't have internet access 24/7 these daysThis attitude is why I always say gamers have no self respect. These companies know it too. That's why they will turn the heat up with more restrictive terms and higher prices because they know you people will shrug and say "whatever". I've seen people say they're gonna buy the next gen Xbox day 1 even if it's $1200. Ultimately people choose their Hell.
>>737790206>cope harder faggotEveryone is saying it, you fucking monkey. Microsoft even stated that the RAM shortage will affect Helix.>cope harder faggotIf it's a PC, it's not going to have a fucking disc drive, you sheep.>>737790206>lmfao, nothing but delusions with you. you can stop shilling sloptendo when they're worse in every wayIf it's not going to have third-party storefronts, how is Microsoft going to make their money back and subsidize, ya idiot?
>>737789917Did going into offline mode not work? It even lets you play multiplayer with one copy I'm shocked it stops working (if true)
>>737790219have you seen what happens to mobile networks during power outages
>>737790278$1200+ with paid online and no third-party storefronts. Library from PC stores will be XPA. That's as bad as Sony's shit. It'll also have online DRM for digital games for a year.
>>737790147Peter thiel and the palantir guy are gonna make it illegal to not have internet and you're gonna clap and cheer for it like a retard
>>737790351>delusion 1>delusion 2>delusion 3kek you don't have anything beyond "j-just you wait and see" because everything i said is 100% the truth, fucking clown faggot. go pay your goy tax so you can backup your save files, subhuman>>737790418>delusion 4l o l
I was almost tempted to get a PS5, just for Ace Combat 8. There were only a handful of other games I was interested in, and I couldn't really justify the purchase in my mind for games like Death Stranding 2 and Dynasty Warriors Origins, but Ace 8 almost pushed me over the edge. Glad I decided against getting one. Dodged a bullet.
The Barrier is now affecting the few games you've already bought.
>>737790442How is it delusion, you monkey? If it's an Xbox PC, you're getting online DRM. They want to subsize it, when they merge the Xbox console/PC Store (really just using the Xbox PC Store), they're going to raise the tax to 30%. Because the Helix is locked-down, they'll add paid online since it's a "console".
>>737790443Nothing stopping you from buying discs instead
>>737790067>We're literally so close to launch>>737790128Steam is releasing the controller now because it's the least effected by the RAM-rodding the consumer market is getting right now. Even then they are blaming the tariffs for the $99 price, you think they will not pass the upcharges to the consumer when they have stated it will be priced for the PC market? They prob are still going to wait for more stable prices before doing any batch orders for the limited amount.
>>737790443>>737790547Just get a PC
>>737790547Or getting a Switch 2 or a PC.
>>737790443>I'll take 'Things that never happened' for 500, Alex.
>>737790759>Switch 2kek
>>737778267>need connection to download game in first place>NOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO CONNECT AGAIN ONCE IN 30 DAYSjust buy physical then
>>737790836bald.
>>737790547>>737790443If you want to get rawdogged by corporations, then by all means. Buy a PS5 and Switch 2. If you want to actually OWN your games, then buy a PC.
>>737790836It and Steam don't have this, Nintendo and Valve are your only safe havens.
>>737791223>If you want to actually OWN your games, then buy a PC.GOG is only good for oldies and indies.
>>737791397Valve has drm via steamworks, so I'd argue going with GOG over them, since their installers are clean. Nintendo sells you DRM-laden plastic, I wouldn't trust them either.
>>737791397What's the 'this' you're referring to?
>>737791397switch 2 and steam don't let you own most games either
>>737791472>>737791509>>737791546But I can play my damn owned digital games offline indefinitely.
>>737791591until you can't
>>737791620Keep coping, normalfag, I won
>>737790194I mean, I get that you can't just load ROMs directly, I was actually referring to using the kind of emulation they already have, with their own ROMs, but being able to verify purchases you made in the past, so you don't have to buy that game again or be forced to subscribe to play it. Given the backward compatibility of the original Xbox and 360, which is also emulation, it’s hard for me not to think of something similar that Nintendo or Sony might do. It would have to be digital for Nintendo, since doing it physically is pretty much impossible with Switch>Basically everyone here is just bots and people paid to shit it up anymoreThat’s true>What anime are you watching AnimeImageAnon?To be honest, I haven't watched anything lately. The last thing I watched was the second season of Panty & Stocking. Lately, I've been reading VNs and playing Pragmata, it's actually a really good game
>>737790137In the old days it would take less than an hour, Xbox tranny. Your FUD isn't working.
>>737791591If you didn't buy them on GOG, you don't own them. And Steam has in fact the exact same 'this' that the topic refers to, with authorized games suddenly becoming unauthorized in offline mode due to something happening under the hood that you had no knowledge of or control over. Plus this has no bearing on basically anything or anyone in the now, and will only become potentially relevant decades off, and no one know what the landscape will look like then.tl;dr if this factors into your decision at all into which anti-consumer digital platform to lock yourself into (except GOG), you are delusional or a shill.
imagine defending DRM of any kind. the absolute state of some of you cattle
