Are collectors going to kill themselves if companies start re-releasing old systems and games?
Eh who cares but it would be nice to get a rerun from old consoles at a reasonable price, I had to sell or give away my consoles after each new one I got so it would be nice getting them all backI mean, I got some a few years ago when thrifting wasn't popular but still, I want a PS0ne
>>737780552No because reproductions are not equal the real thing
>>737780834Cope. Vinyl reissues exist.
>>737780552Are companies going back in time to produce more of the original hardware?If not then no, old consoles and games are still rare and valuable to autistsThe difference is that you don't have to spend a thousand bucks to play old games on something other than an emulator if you care about that
>>737780552Certainly hope so
I want Snoy to reprint Rule of Rose.I actually like the game more than most and I would love if it lost it status as shitty shelf ornament for the rich.
>>737780834This. Look at vintage toy sales. The people that care don't want a reproduction unless they are poor and even then its seen as a stopgap until they get the real thing.
They would have to make it 1:1 exact to the 90s systems for them to lose value, a mini console loaded with games isn't the same thing as an original.
>>737782532>a mini console loaded with gamesIt's not one of those. It plays actual carts. It's not some emu machine.
>>737780834>>737782410When it comes to video games I think alot of people just want to experience the system with its original quirks and its original controllers and don't care about having the original print 1997 release, a reproduction is just as good for that purpose. The larger issue is that these tend to fall into two categories: either cheap shit that feels cheap and fake, either expensive overdesigned devices with absurd pricing and only 50 units made so they're out of stock the moment they open pre-orders.
>>737780834sure thing, collecto
As for people going "IT'S NOT DA REAL THING", well what's THE REAL THING when it comes to old consoles which had several revisions during their lifespan? what makes this different from Revision 4 or whatever? Are people really crazy about autismal SNES differences between the models released in 1991 and 1993?
>>737780552>>737780834
>>737783273Believe it or not people actually do care about revisions of SNES/Genesis with Genesis model 1 with the "High Resolution Graphics" text being the superior model and 1 chip SNESes being preferable over 2-chip models. As for "DA REAL THING" it's simple if it released during the console's lifespan from the same company then it's real, if it released after the console was discontinued or under license by a 3rd party then it's fake.
>>737784142what a faggy opinionthere's nothing special about rotting plastic from 40 years ago.with modern tech and services, people can manufacture almost everything short of ASICs to reproduce old standards. and it's those standards that define the system, not what year the thing collecting dust on your shelf was made in
>>737783273>SNES differences between the models released in 1991 and 1993Those revisions were made by the real engineers and programmers who have designed the console from the ground up.The people who worked on the Neo Geo have either died or retired.If you don't have the real engineers and programmers around to work on a revision, it can't be a 1:1 revision. Therefore, it can't be 100% real hardware experience, especially after nearly 40 years. So, there is, in fact, an obvious presence of emulation. You can cope against this as much as you want, but that's the reality.
>>737780552"Collectors" probably already have an og neogeo so they don't care and those that don't have one will appreciate a reproduction that doesn't so much. The only ones that would be pissed off are those faggots that think their used copy of Metal Slug 1 is worth 500 dollars.
>>737780834At least not in the collectors' market. For normals this will break down barriers of access to the old titles. If anything, for collectors this will increase value for "original run" consoles.A win for everyone.
Most people who buy retro games just want something official to put on their shelves. They only care when the new production is worse or inauthentic.
>>737780552hopefully
>>737780552No. "Original issue" is still worth a lot of collector cred.
>>737780552What is this exactly? Emulator? FPGA? A new actual console?
Reproductions with retro physicals have never effected prices. This won't either.
>>737780552Do you think people will even give a shit about the neogeo if this was the case? Most of its importance was artificially inflated by collectors, it's not exactly filled to the brim with good games. What're you gunna do, play metal slug at silky smooth 30 fps and play against the cpu alone in fighting games that were only popular in the third world? A lot of old games are seriously overinflated in their value in general.
>>737780552Im a collector since the late 90s and i dont give a fuck and welcome it if the quality is good. I was buying this shit when it was near worthless or free anyway.
>>737780552i hope so at least the prices will come down
>>737780834>No because reproductions are not equal the real thingSaying this is funny because its basically admitting you only see collecting as a form of investment and you dont actually care about the product
>>737780552The neo geo rehash gets some things right at least>hardware based solution>compatible with older cartridges and controllers>they're remaking the iconic arcade stick of the era, which will be backwards compatible with older consolesI know its a niche of a niche of a niche but I do know a guy with one of the old units thats looking forward to it.
>>737780552No because there will be obvious ways to tell a reproduction from the OG product so it won't impact collectors from a rarity standpoint.
>>737785956That's not what he said at all? Did you eat breakfast this morning?
>>737780552These games are already available on any computer RIGHT NOW for free? Why spend money on it when it can go towards food?
>>737782532>>737781234>>737785718In the specific case of the new Neo-Geo, it's got the same hardware as the original, and this is possible because the original used VERY generic hardwareIt's got a Motorola 68000 and a Zilog Z80 under the hood, those are 40 year old chips that are still produced by the million today. This makes the reproduction much easier and more "authentic" than something like, say, a Sega Saturn that had ridiculous bespoke custom chips (that devs had no idea how to program for)
>>737784309>there's nothing special about rotting plastic from 40 years ago.Sorry you feel that way. It's special to collectors because it's rare and valuable. >modern tech and services, people can manufacture almost everything short of ASICs to reproduce old standards. and it's those standards that define the system, not what year the thing collecting dust on your shelf was made inThis won't impact collections because these are reproductions.
I’m 30 and I have no fucking clue what a natgeo is
>>737780552Hopefully.I think there's a market for it, at least for limited runs, just going off the second hand demand.>make new old consoles>make new old cartridges, and discs>sell at a premium priceWould actually be nice, versus buying something used, with 20...going on 50 years of wear in some cases.I didn't care for the other "mini-consoles."Mostly because I couldn't play games I all ready physically own on them.If I could? Then maybe I would've bit.
>>737780552Only scalpers buy this shit anyway.
>>737786268It is to MVS arcade cabinets what the dreamcast is to Naomi cabinets.
>>737786268It was the luxury competitor to the SNES and GenesisIt cost $1000 (when that could buy a shitty house) and had $200 cartridges (when that could buy a shitty car) and its entire game library was nothing except Metal Slug and fighting games
>>737786467>and its entire game library was nothing except Metal Slug and fighting gamesAbout 70% yes, but there was some odd ones out such as a few sports games, shooters and beat em' ups.
The neogeo is a serious oddity. It couldn't even run the good arcade games out at the time, and the few backported games it got from outside snk's ecosystem ran and looked like shit.
>>737780552Why do I want one of these so bad...
>>737780552>Old consoles will be "First Edition">New will be "Rerun"From a purely monetary standpoint, it will dip, but it wont crash.
>>737786448The Dreamcast was released when console tech could match arcades without much, if any compromises, so the pricing was out of this world. Yes the Naomi board and Dreamcast were almost the same, but that was in 1999.The Neo Geo AVS was the same as the MVS in 1991, that was astonishing for the time.
Why is this shit limited?They should keep making and stocking these for a good 5+ years to keep prices lowerRetro consoles being stupidly expensive is a supply issue, imagine Bing Bing Wahoo unleashing a new NES/Famicom with new cartridges of the old gamesIt'll kill ROM sites save for poors
>>737786660You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>737780552oh no, is this a Morbius moment?
lmfao I'm glad for this google
>>737780953And which is worth more to collectors?
>>737786239*reprintsIts the vidya equivalent of those 25th Anniversary pokemon cards that reprinted the original set, but now with a big new logo on it. Both are still official, but original obviously is rarer.
>>737786660>and the few backported games it got from outside snk's ecosystem ran and looked like shit.Verifiably false, there was zero difference between the AES and MVS versions of games specs wise, what differences could be were programing wise, difference in bugs or language options.
>>737783273>what makes this different from Revision 4 or whateverTime
>>737786268Thats because you are too young.
>>737786268>natgeo
>>737780552Testy
>>737783273Absolutely. Visit /vr/ some time.
>>737780552Hopefully. I want Sega to rerelease the Saturn and Dreamcast along with their most expensive games so prices plummet
>>737784142>if it released after the console was discontinued or under license by a 3rd party then it's fake.Majesco got the rights from sega to produce the Genesis 3 and Core System GameGear (better quality than the first models), back in the late 90s when Sega stopped making them themselves.
>>737786170It appears to be ASIC recreations of the original chips.
>>737786268National Geographic
>>737786779The dreamcast could run mvc2, jojoban, cvs2, ikaruga, takumi games, psikyo sh2 games, etc pretty much perfectly. Meanwhile on neogeo you get thisStrikers on Neo Geohttps://youtu.be/S67e3cvQEEsWhat the game is actually supposed to look likehttps://youtu.be/r5S6kq6D4yU
>>737786801This. Honestly I think they should go all in and compete against sony and xbox if they just focus on being a retro console and let indie devs develop games and they help them mass produces cartridges. Because they lack games but have more than the ps5. If they do this in a year they will have more first party games than snoy, or xbone. Honestly they have golden egg in their hand. The reason why its selling because millions of people crave that old console nostalgia and they want to live it again with their kids, who only games are roblox and fortnight.
I hope they release a Negeo Color next
>>737780834The audience who REALLY wants the original print of a game is relatively small if there are no functional differences between the old and new version. If Nintendo for example were to reprint their older games it would undoubtedly put downwards pressure on the used market. Stuff like sealed or CIB would keep most of their value and may not be hurt much but loose carts would absolutely suffer.
>>737787007Reading comprehension, the MVS is not a robust piece of hardware compared to competitors and it stayed on the market way too long.
>>737787206god I never realized what an eyesore the Genesis 3 was
>>737786467Shock Troopers, Neo Turf Masters and the soccer games are really fun.
>>737787585I mean Neogeo Pocket Color
>>737780552I dont understand why sega and these defunct hardware manufacturers don't just re-release their old systems and start making new games for them. The modern industry is dead and the only people who have money or interest are over 30 now.
>>737787768Post 5 seconds of thrilling Turf Masters gameplay
>>737786923>Still, despite a vibrant collecting scene, no more than five people in the world own a full collection. One of them, Mahesak Puttirungsriwong, a forty-year-old mathematics tutor from Thailand, estimates that he has spent around two hundred thousand dollars on Neo Geo games in the past twenty-six years. “I don’t know the exact figure,” he told me. “Because of my wife, it is better to forget.” Puttirungsriwong completed his collection last April with a European copy of Kizuna Encounter, a fighting game, which he bought from a friend in Italy for thirty thousand euros.
>>737787809https://youtu.be/32ZjSDJUV0U
>>737788081holy fuckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=capTpivF8n0
>>737788081That'll be $90
>>737782931>the system with its original quirksIs that what this is? Are they actually reproducing the original hardware? It's not an emulation box?
>>737785157>engineers don't know how to read design documents and blueprintsThis isn't a creative endeavor. You don't need the original team to accurately reproduce hardware.
>>737788313>It's not an emulation box?That's the whole reason why it's blowing up in every retro-gaming circles, it's not an emulation box, the old cartridges will work on it like how the new ones will work on old consoles, same for the controllers.
>>737780552What's stopping Nintendo or Sony from rereleasing their old consoles like this too?
>>737787803Atari did it first.
>>737780552Snoy and Nintendumb should re-release old systems, not sure how re-releasing old game cartridges would work but a 'modernized' PS1, SNES, N64 with modern outputs would have been kino.
>>737788538Yes, you need. For example, games that get ported to newer consoles. The majority of these ports have several flaws because the original devs are long gone.
>>737780552My opinion as a somewhat casual coomllector (I try my best within reasonable prices, I own +150 ps1 games, 80+ ps2 games, dozens of gba/gbc/snes/ games mostly) is that scalpers can go fuck themselves and die in a fire.If companies start re-releasing old shit for other systems even if they are slightly different (case, maunal doesn't feel exactly the same, carts aren't made of the exact same plastic), I'll still buy fucking everything because I want to have the games on my shelf ready to pick up and play whenever, not to measure my e-peen on how expensive my items are and inflating my ego because pokemon emerald costs 2k fucking dollars and I have five copies. Screw that. I enjoy having my carefully curated collection properly displayed, sorted, with games on the best state I could find them, but I also want to play them. Why the fuck would I want multiples copies of expensive games, or sealed ones for that matter (another nonsensical scene I'll never undertand).And yes I do beat the games I own. If I have a game, I'll play it on original hardware instead of emulating. Dudes that only collect trash and never play them past uploading an instagram reel where they pop the game, play the intro stage and turn it off grind my gears.The only thing I'm not accepting is gay emulation like the mini systems. I want the hardware to run the game natively, as god intended.So yeah, go I won't cry if Nintendo starts re-releasing gameboy games and they use flash memory instead of a fucking battery or something like that. Oh no. The horror.
>>737788805>The majority of these ports have several flaws because the original devs are long gone.That, and their source codes are long gone
>>737788687atari is for dusty old boomers, they are all already senile. They need to release a new 75 dollar PS2 or dreamcast and pump out new games for it. Graphics don't matter, digital distribution doesn't matter, people just want to remember when the industry wasn't shit and games didnt take 8 years to release.
>>737789078Atari is like the only gaming company that never inspired a generation of autists to cling to it forever
>>737788942You can't port a game without the source code, dumbfuck.
>>737780552I hope so. I actually had to stop collecting because of the shit market. I actually liked to buy these games to play them and not just wait for the number to go up.I was hoping more companies would sell old games on their original hardware For all the shit square enix gets, I was kinda glad they were reselling old ps1 games again.I don't care if it's a first print or not, I just like playing games
>>737789257you're very ignorant if you think that. Look up Atari Age.
>>737789387>Look up Atari Age.I just looked it up.It had four posts today, four posts yesterday, one post on Sunday and no posts on Saturday
>>737788624>retro-gamingLet's not dishonestly put these two things together
>>737782931>original controllersThen they've failed. The original Japanese neo geo and snk arcade cabinets used Seimitsu sticks. Seimitsu were bought out by sanwa and neither company has ever reproduce them. This shit's a scam
I'm trying really hard but to get this... That controller though. Help me.
>>737791914Not to get this I mean.
>>737789257Atari is pumping out a shit load of new hardware and physical games. Clearly people are buying it.
Collecting plastic garbage is the most retarded thing ever. Well, not really, but close.
If only Sega did this with the Saturn or even the Dreamcast. Anyways I got the anniversary NeoGeo AES+.
>>737780834dumbass retard, why do you think people pay money for older consoles? Because its the older console, like its a part of history? No dickwad, people buy them to PLAY VIDEO GAMES!
>>737792369Indeed. Good thing we are talking about collecting physical games you can enjoy playing and not funko pops.
>>737780552Would be nice to see Sony release the original PS3 models that had backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games. This time they can give it a 1 tb internal storage to save all your games and it would be completely free of any hardware failure problems, hopefully.
>>737786801Will the reprints be limited? Don't think they've said that. As long the NeoGeo AES+ keeps selling, I see no reason for them not to make more copies of the games.
>>737789265nta but a lot of official port of games in the past didn't even have the original code. they were just approximations made by other teams. kind of acceptable in a time were all competing hardware were not the same thing like now.
>>737780552I didn't pre-order one because I'm scared that the hardware clone isn't going to be good and also because I'm saving up for the Steam Box.
>>737791265some companies keep producing the same old shit with the same quality because they don't care about investing in new machinery.no matter the product some people get lucky and some don't there's good and bad batches all the time. ex. my ps3 pad has been working flawlessly since 2010 and I use it for pc as well. none of the shit people complain about it on internet happened to me.
I would buy- a new sega CD - dreamcast with dvd and Ethernet port by defaultbut being honest I don't think people really care about the old ones as much just because they are old. I would rather buy a new console that runs on specific chips like a motorola 68000 so devs are limited to it. having all the freedom to develop these days has made the devs lazy as fuck. all new games run like dogshit they are unoptimized garbage. just give me a new device like a megadrive4 so people can tinker with it. let the scene have fun. dunno... something with 3d no better than the dreamcast.
should've been Last Blade 2 instead of Samsho IMHO. would've enticed me more personally at least. never really cared for 5S
>>737780552Nah. Original hardware will still be sought after compared to the reproduction models.
Please do one for Sega Saturn.please please
>>737795854>I would rather buy a new console that runs on specific chips like a motorola 68000 so devs are limited to it. having all the freedom to develop these days has made the devs lazy as fuck. all new games run like dogshit they are unoptimized garbage.The Switch happened and devs still behaved like that, I don't think it'll make a difference.
>>737795854>>737799846the resolution is tragic but I'll always be grateful to the GBA for causing an ecosystem of 16 bit games all the way into the 2000s
Any new physical hardware or reprints of games is good period.Cheap bootleg knockoffs with an official brand logo are terrible dogshit only retards care about.
>>737783287>judge promodidn't even get the right card
>>737780552So when are we getting physical showcases of this?
>>737780552Unless they start destroying the physical media, there will still be a market.
>>737796857Apparently, there will be new wave re-releases of other NeoGeo games.
if they start manufacturing CRTs as well i will pledge loyalty to saudia arabia
