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>good quality
PphghgfHAHAHAHA

>>737804694
Elaborate.I've had mine for 4 years and it's as good as new

>>737804663
*drifts*
Didn't read your post, dogshit controller I wish I never used

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>>737804663
>colored face buttons are lé important because, I look at my controller when I play!
says nobody ever, real gamers don't look at their controller and pic related is good.

>>737804807
t.npc

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Microsoft spent $100mil in R&D to design it back in 2013 btw

>>737804663
no gyro tho

the chinese have souls?

My wireless doesn't work. The bluetooth doesn't connect or some shit. At least it can be used wired which is why I got them (the connection options) but I was hoping on using it wireless instead of an annoying cable that I autistically cringe inside knowing it's costing a connection cycle.

Some 8bitdo pro 2 controllers also use aa, kinda want one now

>>737804663
Why would I need 2? Do they break that easy?

It's a good controller but it's overpriced by the fact that it has no lithium battery. I do not like rechargable controllers and actually like the the Series X controller uses batteries, but it's priced as if it did have an internal lithium battery. I got mine on sale for $30.

>>737804663
I actually prefer the xbone controller but
>best dpad

Not by a long shot. 8bitdo, hori, and even sony still have that cornered.

>>737804663
so how much do you guys get paid for these posts?

>>737804663
>the most comfortable of them all
That's the 360 controller. The later ones are too small and have shit plastic.

>>737805372
i wish xbox put half as much money in to their hardware as they do their marketers

jeets shit up everything

>>737804663
>coloured XYBA buttons is important
bro needs to look at his buttons before pressing them

>>737804663
>made by people with souls who know that having coloured XYBA buttons is important
I think you're autistic if you care this much.
>reasonably priced at ~55 bucks
For that build quality and those outdated features? Microslop should frankly be paying me.
>the most comfortable of them all
Not really, no.
>no gimmicky features
Retard.
>the best dpad
Not really, no.
>runs on AA batteries
Aren't you supposed to be listing positives?
>good quality
Lmao.
>just werks
LMAO
>You could have two for one steam controller
And then I'd have two shitty controllers instead of one great one.

>>737805010
Update the controller firmware. Seriously, I've used a Switch Pro, PS4, and some Backbone controller and the Xbox one was the only one that had flaky BT for me.

>>737804902
good

>>737805312
>sony dpad
>good
lmao

>>737804663
>having coloured XYBA buttons is important
Why is it important?

My Cyclone 2 mogs every controller

xbox subhumans still get jewed into using their own batteries.
its insane.

Xbox is losing the console race because they still don't have gyro in their controllers.

>>737804663
shame ms never remaked the 360s controller with a GOOD DPAD FOR FUCKS SAKES

>>737806530
at least we can change our batteries unlike snoys

>>737804663
>same shitty stick pots so you have to buy it again and again

>>737806565
bloat, use a mouse

>>737804663
I have one and it already drifts after ~300 hours of mild use

>>737806630
>what's swapping sticks for tmr ones

>>737806410
Huh didn't even realize that was a thing for controllers. Guess still living in my idort days since it's a console controller. Thx.

>>737806632
>use a mouse
What, with my feet?

>>737804663
>Colored buttons sooth autism
>Cheap because mass produced slop
>Comfortable as basically any controller these days
>No features
>Had a dpad
>Has physical micro transactions called double A Batteries
>Its mass produced so it works because its nothing new or special
>Works its way into stick drift

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>>the best dpad
lol
lmao even
>You could have two for one steam controller lol
And you'll need it when it develop stick drift

But you're right about the overall ergonomics and AA batteries, at least they got that right.

>>737806637
wash your hands

>>737804902
learn to aim fag

>>737806602
if you cannot swap the battery in any game pad you are handicapped.

>>737806509
For the controller itself, not really. But for game prompts, identifying colors is easier and faster than identifying letters (blue is X, red is B, etc.)

>>737806674
no your hand retard

>>737806707
ok show me where sony sells replacement batteries for their controllers

>>737806736
My hands are on the controller.

Why do we like AA batteries again?
You guys really go out and buy a 20 pack of AA batteries?

>>737806717
Well I guess color recognition is faster than shape recognition but I don't know if it's relevant to me, sometimes I use a bone controller but it never crossed my mind that it is easier with colors.

>>737804663
>125Hz polling rate
Into the trash it goes

>>737806772
have you tried amazon

>>737806805
then put it down to use the mouse tardo

>>737806702
You literally can't do that without gyro, trackpads or a mouse because sticks are inherently bad for that. No amount of learning will get past the limitations of the hardware.

>>737806656
QRD?
>>737806693
I do, dont drop the controller, put it back in the box when not in use, etc. its just poor quality

>>737804852
>spend $100M
>almost identical since the 360

>>737804852
did they really?
what a scam.

>>737806828
are those offical?

>>737806881
dont know. dont care.

>>737804663
I advocated for this controller for years but the Xbox series controller has an unfixed double A button press problem since the first iteration. They know about it and they refuse to fix it since that would cost $1000

Funny you say people with souls because MS decided to frustrate and impede tens of millions of people because they refused to fix the problem. Most soulless Indian behavior possible

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>>737806851
>t.

>>737804663
The bumpers are designed to break. I bought 10 from china and replace them every year when they inevitably fail.

>>737806927
What double a button press

>>737806923
so the answer is no then

>>737806717
That really only applies to QTEs which are bad game design and shouldn't exist. They're also typically slow enough. For the regular controls, you're going to learn them and just think "I'm going to jump" instead of "I'm going to press A to jump"

>>737806808
You buy a one pack of rechargeable AAs tiny brain

Replaceable batteries are alayws objectively superior in any situation. Zoomers have just grown up in a gay corporate world and you suck corporate cock

>>737804663
>made by people with souls
>microsoft
lmao

>>737806848
Then how will I play on my couch? Or get 360° analog movement?

The Xbone controller is a complete piece of shit. The triggers on mine broke this year for no reason, and this is for a controller I've maybe put 1000 hours into at most. Already had to get new sticks and replace the bumpers before that, too.

>>737806637
That's caused by you forcing the sticks as hard as possible
It blew my mind when i realized zoomers do this

>>737804663
yeah you need to buy two because you already know the first one is going to fail within a year or two lmao

>>737807023
>>737807035
Same thing, holding down triggers extremely hard

Electronics have always been everywhere to zoomers so you never learned to use them respectfully like older people. You use the controller like it's a hammer. Squeezing super hard and forcing everything to extents

>>737807035
Literally how else am I supposed to input for fighting games

>>737807017
use a wireless mouse + keyboard

>>737806973
dont care because its not an argument.

>>737806981
they really arent.
my china pads with auto charging docks will mog dogshit xbox pads any time of the day.
YOU are the corporate cocksucker defending microsoft saving money with every controller sold.

>>737806854
This. Sounds like they already had the design and saw an opportunity to launder money and pull a marketing stunt like "See? Our controller is scientifically proven to be the optimal layout. Buy it."

>>737807094
>not wanting to risk a house fire do to chinkshit is not an argument

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gotta be a massive shiteater to still go for first party pads in 2026.

my favorite part is them keeping problems in their mainline pads on purpose, and then sell the "fixes" with their equally shitty $200 pads that will break the same and still dont have parity with $40 chang pads.

>>737807126
>no u
doesn't work like that

>>737807082
Not as comfortable as a controller and not as precise as a mouse at a stable desk. Also doesn't give me analog movement. Not a solution.

>>737807192
really works that way. keep getting fleeced by jeetsoft.

>>737807075
>electronics
those things fail because they put extremely thin dogshit quality plastic there made designed to break btw

>>737807181
show us a controller with BOTH a swappable battey and tmr sticks, i'll wait

>>737807035
Lying corporate cocksucking kike
Every fucking controller thread with you motherfuckers

>drifting in two years
No thank

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For me, it's Yoimiya (Direwolf 4)

>>737807216
>fleeced
but that's you when the battery craps out on your chinkshit controllers

>>737807228
every battery is swappable.

>>737807265
when it happens (it doesnt) I just put another.

>>737807232
I'm almost 45 years old and I've never had drift on a single controller in my life.

You are the problem

>>737807272
ok then tell me where i can buy oem sony batteries

>>737807228
Any controller with TMR sticks and a battery because everything with a battery has a swappable battery. If you want a specific example, the new Steam Controller.

>>737807290
if you want to risk a house fire sure

>>737807293
You're jewish so your opinion means nothing

>>737804663
Both X1 and X Series started drifting in under a year. And for some reason LB/RB feel like from a cheap toy. I don't get it, because all other buttons are fine.
Now I have a 8BitDo Ultimate and it's much better: LB/RB, D-pad, not drifting after nearly 2 years, better triggers and it has a docking station. Also, it was cheaper.

>>737807323
the new steam controller doesn't support based rechargable double aa's, hard pass

Rechargeable battery is inferior because it has to be charged
Aa battery controller is always charged

What have people under 40 ever been right about so far? Lmfao...y'all niggas don't and won't own a home. Just do yourself a favor and listen ok

>>737807303
meds

>>737807378
retard

>>737807181
Microsoft's Xbox Elite controller doesn't even let you swap the sticks, and it has a built-in battery where the big advantage of the standard Xbox controller is that you can use AA's in it. And it's twice as expensive as the Steam Controller.

>>737807383
not an argument

>>737807365
>the new steam controller doesn't support based rechargable double aa's
That's a good thing though. I can just plug it in without even pausing the game instead of opening it, getting up to grab new batteries, swapping them, closing it and going back.

>>737807293
Analog sticks are a rod that rotates on two axis, each axis has a potentiometer that changes voltage depending on position, when you move the stick it turns a small "wheel" that makes contact with a thin conductive layer, using a higher force wouldn't have an impact on the potentiometers rather than the sticks themselves but those are somewhat sturdy.
If anything it is not strength but speed that would wear them out faster but those things barely make contact so it's the conductive layer that fails due to its lack of durability

Anyone still using first party controllers in 2026 is full retard

>>737807442
and i can just swap in fully charged double aa's and not be tethered to a cable

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>>737804663
>face buttons suck
>bumpers suck
>triggers suck
>sticks really suck and grind against the housing
>d-pad in theory should be good, but in practice feels like shit
>xbox button is really cheap and feels like shit, should protrude a bit like earlier designs
>menu and options buttons suck and should be a little more spread out
The colored face buttons is nice and all, as is the AA batteries too, but this shit should cost like 20 bucks tops because it costs microshit like 2 dollars to make. With that said, their "elite" controllers are even worse value/quality wise, especially the sticks.

>>737807491
>and i can just swap in fully charged double aa's
That takes longer than plugging it in.
>and not be tethered to a cable
Why does this matter? You're sitting down. You won't even notice it.

>>737807459
>Uh no reality isn't real also I'm transgender

They're bending the plastic. It micro fractures after enough

>>737807467
tell us a third party controller that has a chatpad and supports rechargeable double aa's

>>737807521
Self respecting people never use a controller with a cable attached for 10+ years now

>>737807521
it takes longer to charge a controller then to swap out betteries

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i was given an xbone that was hardly used with 2 controllers and they both got stick drift after a couple of months of light use, everything post 2013 is pure crap

>>737807541
Steam Controller

>>737807523
Lying kike, it has nothing to do with plastic, kill yourself

>>737804694
First horse best horse

>>737807595
first gen?

>>737807035
nah its caused by poor quality :)

>>737805083
i have one, the dpad is dogshit, literally unplayable

>>737807541
>let me make up some arbitrary requirement only I care about
Kill yourself jew

>>737807576
>Self respecting people never use a controller with a cable attached for 10+ years now
Why exactly? What's so bad about having a cable?
>>737807589
>it takes longer to charge a controller then to swap out betteries
Sure, but you can keep using it immediately. It's faster in the sense that it disrupts your game for a shorter amount of time.

>>737807693
Pets, knocking over drinks, looks gay.

>>737807681
i have my pc hooked up to a tv and there's times where i need to input text and i'm not busting out a wireless keyboard

>>737807523
For those "microfractures" on the sticks to cause a rupture require a lot of strength, and even if that happened the controller wouldn't drift, at least not for that reason, funny how N64 actually break that way and the analogs would still work due to the encoder they used, the wheel is not in contact with the sensor so it has no chance of breaking or drifting, the spring would also loosen but that was rare, I never understood why they switched to potentiometers for a heavy duty device.

>>737807717
I don't give a shit, you're a retarded lying kike and only you have this autism. End your fucking life.

>>737804852
And yet the x360 was so much better and more comfortable it's not even funny

>>737807714
>Pets, knocking over drinks
The cable is on the floor and not suspended in the air.
>looks gay
Caring about looking gay is infinitely more homosexual than whatever originally set you off.

>>737807769
>I don't give a shit
ya cause you got ass blasted

>>737807786
How could the cable ever be on the floor that would mean the PC is on the floor. A console wouldnt be on the floor either

>>737807541
>>737807717
I'm 100% sure Steam lets you set a bind for onscreen keyboard with any controller.

>>737807841
At least I'm not a lying kike defending kikrosoft dogshit as if my life depends on it

>>737804746
>Alps potentiometer wearing off trash
>Cheap membranes where face buttons eventually get stuck

Also:
>no additional bumpers
>no back buttons/paddles
>no anti friction rings
>no gyro

>>737807854
>onscreen keyboard
gross, no thanks

>>737804852
Someone pocketed that money, not even Nintendo does this and they change controllers all the time, and they are always new "experimental" tech

>>737807784
(As long as you gaslight yourself into believing X360's D-pad wasn't the single worst creation of mankind)

>>737807867
name us a better then, i'll wait

>>737807917
For you, nothing, since for some reason you need xbox controllers to live. For everybody else? Practically any chinkpad is better. End your life, kike

>>737807853
>cable leaves PC
>drops down to floor
>moves along the floor
>climbs up to your controller
Simple as. You might be clinically retarded.

>>737807978
>can't name a better contoller
i accept your concession

kek i just took a second look at my xbone controllers and they're both more or less brand new, don't know how they got stick drift besides a very clear case of planned obsolesce

>>737807854
It does.
>>737807878
Not any worse than a tiny chatpad. It's really fast once you learn to use it.

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Just ordered this cutie yesterday as soon as I learned that to use the Gabepad with emus, I'd have to add them all to Steam and run them through it.
I don't mind the price, I bet it will be worth those 100 bucks. But I just need a good controller, I don't care about additional stuff like gyro or touchpads.

>>737808045
>Not any worse than a tiny chatpad
wrong

>>737808020
Accept my cock in your mouth, I'm sure you can fit it right beside kikrosoft's cock too you faggot queer jew

>>737808020
NTA
Steam Controller. But like he said, literally anything else is better too.

>>737808032
Obviously. Even shitny does that, that's why their elite competitor the dualsense edge had replacement stick modules that were 20 bucks a pop (for one stick) because they knew they would shit the bed soon enough and their loyal consoomer drones would be more than happy to pay 40 dollars every few months for new sticks like the good golems they are

>>737804663
>microsoft
>soul
>first party support on windows and yet can't move the mouse cursor

>>737808083
>brings up gay shit out of nowhere
is there something you're not telling us anon?

>>737808068
>>Not any worse than a tiny chatpad
>wrong
Wrong.

>>737808113
You've been sucking cock this entire thread, lying niggerkike

>>737808090
>no chatpad
>no rechargable double aa's
not even close

>>737808062
Waiting on the 3E myself after the Vader 5 turned out to be a piece of shit, of course not immediately to make sure it doesn't have any glaring issues in the first few weeks of reviews. Sucks it only has two back buttons still, but in practice I rarely use that many alongside the extra shoulder buttons so I'll probably be able to cope if it seems good.

>>737804852
So they spent MORE to make it WORSE?

>>737808157
>no chatpad
It has trackpads. They're as good for typing and can do more than that.
>no rechargable double aa's
That's a good thing.

>>737808154
you should turn up your screen brightness, you shouldn't see your reflection on it

>>737808192
Yes, making it worse means they make more money from people having to buy more of them because they're designed to break. Scam of the century, but it all makes sense when you realize who runs Microsoft

>>737808229
>It has trackpads. They're as good for typing
nope, their not even close for typing
>That's a good thing.
buy an ad shill

>>737804663
Right trigger on one of mine is starting to stick a bit, really annoying.

>>737808283
>nope, their not even close for typing
Yes they are. They don't compare to a keyboard, but neither does a tiny chatpad. Both are good enough for short strings. Trackpads are just more versatile beyond that.
>buy an ad shill
What? Why the fuck do you think AA batteries are not only acceptable but a good thing in 2010 + 16?

>>737806935
How the FUCK

>>737804663
It’s too big for my hands but that might just be because I’m a foid.

>>737808341
>Yes they are. They don't compare to a keyboard, but neither does a tiny chatpad. Both are good enough for short strings. Trackpads are just more versatile beyond that.
using a on screen keyboard sucks ass nd you know it, stop lying
>What? Why the fuck do you think AA batteries are not only acceptable but a good thing in 2010 + 16?
because you can use them on multiple devices

>>737808375
I didn't know taking estradiol shrinks your hands, but that's fine since you're only missing out on a dogshit controller anyway

>>737808168
Looks mostly the same. Are there any differences bigger than looks, customisability and the official Xbox button in the middle?
Both seem to have TMR sticks and hall effect triggers.
Well, they don't seem to sell it in my country (yet?) anyway, so there's no point regretting my decision.

>>737808424
cope

>>737808376
>using a on screen keyboard sucks ass nd you know it
Why exactly? What's the difference between using 2 thumbs to click virtual buttons and using 2 thumbs to press physical buttons?
>because you can use them on multiple devices
What? So you not only have to open up your controller to swap batteries when they die, but also whenever you want to switch to a different device? How is that better?

>>737808376
Ah yes, devices that still use AA batteries in 2026 like TV remotes that never need batteries changed in 10+ years and......

>>737808469
>Why exactly? What's the difference between using 2 thumbs to click virtual buttons and using 2 thumbs to press physical buttons?
it takes longer to use virtual buttons and it doesn't have the same feel
>What? So you not only have to open up your controller to swap batteries when they die, but also whenever you want to switch to a different device? How is that better?
because they're replaceable

>>737807897
99% of games don't use the dpad for anything but selecting some ability or navigating menus, not everyone is a fighting fag like you

>>737808435
The overall shape seems to be more angled outward instead of "narrow", like a normal xbox controller is, so the ergonomics should be a bit better. Also has interchangeable dpads. However, for the price I really think it should've had 4 back buttons instead of 2, which is why I'm also waiting to see from reviews if it's a solid piece of hardware or not.

>>737808574
>it takes longer to use virtual buttons
I'm sure you've mastered both input methods if you're saying this this definitively.
>it doesn't have the same feel
That doesn't really matter. You'll just be typing short strings.
>because they're replaceable
Every battery is replaceable.

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>>737804663
>made by people with souls who know that having coloured XYBA buttons is important

>>737806717
>For the controller itself, not really. But for game prompts, identifying colors is easier and faster than identifying letters (blue is X, red is B, etc.)

On the fence if I should buy another Xbox controller, or get the Gabebird, as my Xbox controller just died (A bumper is sticking and giving bad inputs).
Both options are expensive here in leaf-land, an Xbox controller is about 80, and a steam controller is 150.

>>737808636
>Every battery is replaceable.
can you buy oem batteries though?

>>737808574
Ah yes, it's very important to be able to replace batteries that will outlive the life of your controller's potentiometers tenfold

You lying fucking kike, I have fucking PS3 controllers from 2009 that still hold plenty of charge
You really need to kill yourself

>>737808696
>can you buy oem batteries though?
For the Steam Controller? Yes. Valve has an official partnership with ifixit for spare parts.

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>>737808661
>snoys be like: ahh much better

>>737808696
Your life revolves around consuming only corporate approved parts?

>>737808737
does it have double aa support?

>>737808769
>corporate approved parts
i just don't want to risk a house fire from using those aliexpress specials

>>737808780
Your life revolves around rechargable AA batteries? You'll accept inferior dogshit if it means you can use AA batteries in it?

>>737808780
>does it have double aa support?
No. I thought we already covered that it's a modern controller and not eternally frozen in 2006 like the xslop.

>>737808856
>inferior dogshit
you mean like controllers that have the battery built-in

>>737808808
Nice concern trolling, I'm sure you're truly terrified. All batteries come out of the same factory in China.

>>737808901
so it's shit then, got it

>>737808952
>so it's shit then, got it
Yeah. The xslop controller is.

>>737804663
These are legitimate dogshit
QC wise equal 8bitdos at this point, which are considerably cheaper
Botched board that causes misinputs
Prone to analog drift, I already had that on an xbone controller (never happened to any other controllers I have)
If this happens you're basically fucked, it's more annoying to disassemble than the dualsneed and the joycons and there's no fancy calibration tool
The d-pad is average at best, nothing to do with some current pads that have soft omrons which are much better
The face buttons are practically the worst stiff but sticky LOUD shit you can use, it feels like an old third party chinese controller
Pretty much no extra functionality outside of adaptive triggers that work on 2 games and a fucking screenshot button
Requires AA batteries and comes with no rechargeable external battery, another travesty given its price
Leaves your middle fingers in an awkward fucking place
I have to wonder if half the people that buy this controller have tried any other controllers in the market currently, at all

>>737808947
at least i can sue microsoft for damages, good luck suing yuanmenghangzhouchua_0 from aliexpress

>>737808952
Enjoy staying stuck with inferior dogshit since eventually Microsoft will cut their gaming division and will leave you, their most loyal customer behind. Everybody will have controllers with more features, but you'll be stuck in 2006 because you're terrified of batteries.

>>737808992
cope

>>737809052
by features you mean bloat

>>737809040
You can't sue Microsoft, you work for them.

>>737809074
Yeah you seem to be coping pretty hard. Sucks for you.

>>737809110
By bloat you mean unimaginable quality of life that you will never have on your piece of shit controller, not to mention you have to buy a new one every year because the sticks shit themselves by design

>>737809110
Is being able to aim properly bloat? What about having more buttons so games can be designed with more complexity?

>>737809121
no i don't you lying kike

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>>737809174
>aim

>>737809178
You do. You're Microsoft biggest shill and you're in every controller thread with their cock as far down your throat as it gets. I've seen you plenty of times.

>>737809168
you can just swap in better sticks tardo

>>737809230
stop projecting you fantasies you fag

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>>737809214
Not any of the retards in that chain, but Goddamn, gyro is such a fucking meme lmfao
I'm not trying to twist my hands around like a fucking spastic to still have worse aim than using a fucking mouse, fuck that shit.

>>737809238
Prove it, prove right now that you put TMR sticks in your controller or you're a lying kike shill. Prove you did it yourself, show me a timestamped photo of your soldering iron.

>>737809214
Yes. Gyro aim is on the same tier as mouse. Now how about buttons? Surely you agree that games have suffered from being simplified for over a decade because controllers don't have enough buttons, right?
>>737809278
>I'm not trying to twist my hands around like a fucking spastic
Then turn the sensitivity up.

>>737809307
>prove it
i already proved that supporting double aa's is better and that gyro is bloat

>>737809430
>Gyro aim is on the same tier as mouse
KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEK

>>737809440
>no timestamped photo of soldering iron
Lying kike shill confirmed

>>737808168
whats wrong with the vader 5?
I have the vader4 and its great but I havent kept up with new pad releases.

>>737809517
show us where i lied bro

>>737809174
>What about having more buttons so games can be designed with more complexity?
Actual retardation
There's plenty of ways for developers to reduce input bloat and the only people who have trouble with this are people who can't hold a fucking button or two at the same time. Every game that requires back buttons or paddles to be playable shouldn't really exist

>>737809214
This is possibly the worst method of gyro aim, flick stick is where it's at (or mouse actually, which is still better).
Analog aiming literally needs crutches to be usable, it's for fat codkiddies stuck in the early 2010s

>>737809430
No, I'd rather just use a mouse because it's better.
>Gyro aim is on the same tier as mouse
and this is BS btw, it's better than non gyro controller aim but still below mice in every metric and in actual aiming in-game and tests.

>>737809545
Can't provide the pic? You're a lying kike shill. I bet you can't even provide a timestamped pic of your controller with the keypad module, let alone a soldering iron. I win.

>>737809518
Face buttons are stiffer which some might like, the extra paddles are not great and have overtravel issues causing them to easily break. The "solution" is using your own stoppers/stick on pads to prevent it, but it's still kinda shit.
Also, my right stick is mushy as fuck when clicking in when it's not dead center, which feels like total shit.

>>737809603
>no proof
looks like you're the one who's lying here

>>737806851
What games would you ever play with a gamepad where stick aiming isn't good enough?

>>737809214
This is retarded.

A simpler setup would be:
>flick stick for large sweeping motions
>trackpad for general aiming
>gyro for minor fine tuning to the aim

>>737809671
>gyrofags still needs sticks
LMAO

>>737809642
There's no way of this one you slimy slithering jew bastard. Everybody can see that you're dodging an extremely easy to fulfill request. This proves that you're all talk, a lying shill, as I've been saying this whole thread. You lost. Take the photo of your controller, keypad module, and eneloops, or suffer forever with the knowledge that everybody in this thread knows you're a fucking liar. I know you can't do it though, so I win and you lose.

The grip on the top of the sticks have gone smooth on my Xbone controller.

>>737809740
>calls someone a liar
>has no proof when asked
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>>737809836
I don't see a timestamped photo yet, Chaim. No amount of jew slithering will get you out of this one.

>>737809693
DESU gyro has always been for finer aiming for me.

Sticks are better for large motions.

>>737809887
>jew slithering
like how you failed to provide proof when asked?

>>737809921
>still no photo
Let me guess, you're afraid of phones since they don't take AA batteries
Too bad, not just a liar but a coward too
Better luck next thread, Chaim. You better hope I don't catch you again because I'll be asking for that timestamped photo.

>>737809563
>There's plenty of ways for developers to reduce input bloat
Such as? How do you handle swapping between weapons on a traditional controller? You either make a weapon wheel that pauses the game or you simplify the game so there's less weapons. Neither are good options. A trackpad or the number row on a keyboard solve this.
>Every game that requires back buttons or paddles to be playable shouldn't really exist
Holy retard.
>>737809596
>No, I'd rather just use a mouse because it's better.
That's fair if you're playing something competitive. But some people just want to play on the couch sometimes. Or play games that benefit from analog movement and aiming. Why shouldn't the option exist? Then aim assist wouldn't be needed and games would be fairer.
>it's better than non gyro controller aim but still below mice
It's close enough that it can be considered to be in the same tier. It's also not a very mature technology yet so it's likely to improve.
>>737809667
>What games would you ever play with a gamepad where stick aiming isn't good enough?
Any game I want. Sometimes I just want to play on the couch.
Sticks aren't good for anything beyond simple camera control. Any game that requires aiming needs aim assist for sticks to be viable. I'd simply like to play those games myself without the game aiming for me. I asked the other guy and I'll ask you too. Why shouldn't it be an option?

>>737810002
>still no proof
i accept your concession

>>737810009
because it sucks compared to mouse

>>737810063
>more jew slithering
You're just digging your grave deeper and deeper with every post you don't show us a timestamped photo of your controller and batteries. It's a photo you cannot provide because you're either afraid of phones or because you are a lying like shill and you don't even have these things laying around to take a photo of. I have utterly defeated you in this thread and I accept your defeat.

>>737810009
>You either make a weapon wheel that pauses the game or you simplify the game so there's less weapons.
You can actually do this without pausing anything
You can hold and double tap (and triple tap) buttons
You can use button combinations
You can design good weapons too, so you don't have to separate them into 20 different variations
It's called being creative instead of reducing everything into a simulator

>>737810137
i asked you to show us the post where i lied at and you refuse to do so, you're the one who's jew slithering here

The puck is honestly so fucking genius
I wish every controller going forward would adopt that

>>737810196
You cannot even prove your innocence by merely showing a timestamped photo of the things I have requested you to show us. By doing so, it would actually destroy my argument and you would have a lot to gain by doing it, I would even admit that you weren't lying. But you won't. You can't. And that's why everybody in this thread knows you're a liar, and no matter how much you squirm against this, there's nothing you can do about it. I accept your full, uncontested defeat.

>>737804663
Xbox stinks. Maybe it's okay in Muttmerica but here it has a stigma. I don't want anything xbox branded in my house, otheriwise girls will make fun of me.

>>737810301
and what did i lie about?

>>737810009
>A trackpad or the number row on a keyboard solve this.
>A trackpad
>Weapon switching
Am I hearing this right? You're actually saying that switching weapons on a wheel with a trackpad (a flat one at that) is more precise than with an analog stick?

>>737810332
Everything. You don't even have the controller, keypad module, or rechargeable batteries you've been shilling this entire thread. How do I know this? Because you can't prove it. See how I did that? I am fully justified in calling you a lying kike, because you are one.

>>737810427
i never said i owned them retard , i just said that their better

>>737810114
It's not meant to replace mouse though. It's meant to bring controllers up to a similar level. Why is that a bad thing?
>>737810189
>You can hold and double tap (and triple tap) buttons
>You can use button combinations
Not as intuitive or fast as just having a button for each weapon.
>You can design good weapons too, so you don't have to separate them into 20 different variations
That will inevitably lead into the same pistol+auto rifle+shotgun slop every game does. When you limit the number of weapons, at least 3 slots need to be taken up by the basics, and you cam't go much higher than 3 because of button limitations anyway. There's no space for creative weapons.
>>737810408
>You're actually saying that switching weapons on a wheel with a trackpad (a flat one at that) is more precise than with an analog stick?
A grid is better since it allows more options on the same physical surface area. A stick can only go up to 8 while you can easily fit 16 buttons onto the SC trackpads. Also, it's less about precision and more about not needing to pause the game. With the trackpad, you can instantly switch to a weapon by clicking it in the right spot. With a stick, you need a dedicated weapon wheel button that disables movement or aiming because the stick switches to the weapon wheel.

>>737810009
The maturity isn't the issue, mice just literally have more precision inherently. Lying on a flat surface that lends itself to making super minute adjustments, lower latency, the noise and physical instability of gyro, etc.
It bridges the gap a bit, yeah, but controllers will always need aimbot-lite to exceed it. The "closest equivalent to a mouse if you just want to chill on the couch", sure, but it just won't match or even succeed it without help from frame-perfect aim assist.

>>737804663
dogshit rb/lb. rubs against the controller housing and feels like creaky bullshit.

>>737810559
>It's meant to bring controllers up to a similar level.
you can't though

>>737807870
>no additional bumpers
>no back buttons/paddles
>no anti friction rings
>no gyro
all gimmick bullshit that you don't need

>>737810485
No, you did say that you own them. You said you have your PC hooked up to the TV and you need the controller with the keypad to type things in occasionally because you can't be assed to use a wireless keyboard. You think I was born yesterday, kike? Next you'll claim that wasn't your post, like the slithering slimy lying like I know you are. Don't worry, I'm going to catch you every thread you do this in for the rest of my life, just to spite you and your shilling effort. Your life is over.

>>737810625
ok fine, I do have the controller and chatpad but not the double aa's. I got the rechargeable battery pack before I knew they existed, i can post a photo of that if you want

>>737810562
>Lying on a flat surface that lends itself to making super minute adjustments
You typically hold the controller in your lap instead of the air, which gives it similar stability.
>lower latency
That's not really any kind of inherent advantage.
>It bridges the gap a bit, yeah
It's more than a bit. If controller is 0 and mouse is 100, gyro+stick is like 70 and gyro+flickstick or trackpad is 90+.
>but controllers will always need aimbot-lite to exceed it
They don't. Gyro is just that good.
>The "closest equivalent to a mouse if you just want to chill on the couch", sure, but it just won't match or even succeed it without help from frame-perfect aim assist.
Not quite, but it's in the same competitive tier. And we haven't really seen any pros adopt it yet to see just how far it can be pushed.
>>737810585
Wrong. You can. Why do you think you can't?

>>737804663
>concave sticks
I hate that shit so much, my thumbs keep slipping off them. Sony had it right for the first three DS controllers.

Honestly Nice to see an Xbot thread, haven't seen one in a while.

Of course, Vegans and Snoys are already derailing it.

>>737810731
Nope, you're a liar. You specifically said you used rechargable AA batteries. But I'll give you a deal. Take a picture of all of that next to your soldering iron with a timestamp and you can recover some of your honor. If you don't have a soldering iron and you paid someone to put them in for you, take your controller apart and let's see your TMR sticks.

>>737810865
never said that I did, I said that their better

>made by people with souls

>>737810559
>you can easily fit 16 buttons onto the SC trackpads
There is no precise and quick way to do this on a tiny flat surface, are you mental?
With a weapon wheel on a stick you can just hold a button, quickly switch with a stick and be on your merry way.
With that, you actually have to release the stick you're moving with (or the one you're aiming with) to switch weapons. Yeah I'm sure you're going to very quickly and accurately switch to the 12th slot on that fucking imaginary "grid" at the bottom of your fucking controller without looking without somehow stopping the action. Even fucking touchpad gestures would work better than what you're proposing here.

>>737810904
Whatever kike, let's see the photo of everything. If you have to take your controller apart to show the TMR sticks, you might want to hurry up.

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>>737804663
>Best d-pad
>Shitty drifting sticks
>Worst RSI inducing face buttons

>>737810995
never said I'VE modded in tmr sticks, l2r

>>737810787
The issue isn't just the stability, it's that you're interfacing with 3D space, whereas sliding a mouse on a flat surface is approaches 2D. Less range of motion and thus margin of error within those constraints.
>lower latency isn't any kind of inherent advantage
What?
>more than a bit
No, it really is just a bit. Aimlabs and other similar tests for gyro, at best, it looks like low end to mediocre mouse aiming, however top tier mouse aiming is worlds apart and why the hardware needs literal cheats baked in to compete.
It's like comparing your local high school varsity track star to olympic level athletes dude, ignoring the fact that the next time they compete you were juicing the high school kid for months/years and then saying "yeah they're the same lol."
>they don't
lmfao nigga every controller user is using aim assist though?
The fuck?
>it's in the same competitive tier
It isn't without the frame perfect aimbot-lite stuff baked in, it's not even close.

>>737810918
>There is no precise and quick way to do this on a tiny flat surface
There is. I've actually used the 'eck. It works well.
>With that, you actually have to release the stick you're moving with (or the one you're aiming with) to switch weapons
For less than half a second. You also don't have to stop aiming if you have the weapon menu on the right trackpad and use gyro.
>Yeah I'm sure you're going to very quickly and accurately switch to the 12th slot on that fucking imaginary "grid" at the bottom of your fucking controller
Yes. Muscle memory is great.
>without looking
If you need help, there's even a popup on screen that shows where on the trackpad you're touching.

>>737811271
So you lied about not buying multiple new controllers too. Nice. Well that's fine, I'll see you next thread. My patience for your games has run out.

>>737811313
>There is. I've actually used the 'eck. It works well.
You're looking at the deck when you're playing on the deck. You're out of your element here.

>>737811313
Wait nevermind are you this spaz? >>737809214
I want to see the retarded way you play.

>>737804663
I really like it, but I'm never buying one again as long as they keep using the dogshit alps analog stick. That shit starts drifting in a year of use or even less.

>>737811290
>The issue isn't just the stability, it's that you're interfacing with 3D space, whereas sliding a mouse on a flat surface is approaches 2D
You rotate the controller and don't move it. It's pretty easy to rotate it around 2 axes.
>What?
Yeah I phrased that badly. I meant that mouse doesn't have any inherent advantage in that regard. You can use a wireless controller as close to your PC as a wireless mouse or a wired one with the same length cable.
>Aimlabs and other similar tests for gyro, at best, it looks like low end to mediocre mouse aiming
Are any of these done by actual pros? Because they mostly don't care about gyro since they're already used to mouse. Mediocre players will get mediocre scores regardless.
>the hardware needs literal cheats baked in to compete
That's only sticks. Gyro doesn't need aim assist and basically every game with gyro support turns it off if you use gyro.
>lmfao nigga every controller user is using aim assist though?
Not with gyro. Sticks need aim assist. Gyro doesn't.
>frame perfect aimbot-lite stuff baked in
Again, that doesn't exist for gyro.
>>737811387
>You're looking at the deck when you're playing on the deck.
I'm looking at the screen and not the sides. And if you need visual feedback, there's a popup on the screen.
>>737811467
>Wait nevermind are you this spaz? >>737809214
Nope.

>>737804663
>the most comfortable of them all
Literally worse than the 360 controller and the DualSense is now the most comfortable controller out there by far. The Series controllers are beyond cramped by comparison.

>>737807784
it was not lol. the d-pad was awful, the controller was a lot fatter and heavier, the battery pad would constantly disconnect as the controller got older and it got in the way of your fingers, the bumpers and triggers didn't meld into your hands as comfortably, and the face buttons felt more mushier. the xbox 1 controller was a vast improvement.

>>737808062
I have the snes controller clone by them, but the diagonals of the dpad are fucked so its kinda useless for platformer.

>>737811815
Missing the point
Most controllers struggle with or become unstable even approaching 1000hz
>this cope now
Aimlabs has both mouse and controller users, and again, good luck finding one that can sustain 6 kills/shots per second

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-PLEGS8TcM

For reference, let alone matching the tracking or other shit.
>only sticks
Hahaha nah, aimbot lite is able to be used with gyro on fortnite, cod, even pve shit like helldivers.
>gyro doesn't
Again, but yet every single user does, though.
>inb4 n-not me
Cool and all, but one is literally putting themself at a disadvantage by not using it. It's frame perfect in its responsiveness after all, and nearly everyone still using controller instead of KBM uses it.

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>>737804663
No. I am tired of any aiming mechanic being miserable on controller.

>>737812570
These alternate controller brands always fuck up the dpads, it's rather sad. I desperately want to ignore sony/ms/nintendo controllers since they insist on using the alps analog sticks but 3rd party brands always make shitty dpads.

controller mogs mouse for aiming because mouse results in wrist pain. it's that simple.

>>737804663
why do you need the buttons colored, you autistic retard?

>>737812701
no he has a functioning brain that recognises the importance of colour in design

>>737812629
it will never not be funny that fucking splatoon of all things was a more skillful console shooter than any of the shit that is unplayable without ridiculous amounts of aim assist

>>737812872
>press the red button
>no press the blue button
This never happened in a game

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>>737804663
Like most consumer electronics, random chinese shit is just better because the big name brands are the same as the chinese shit but marked up.
Lowest tier xbox controller, with trash sticks and meme dpad, is $64.99. Lowest tier bottom of the barrel gamesaar controller pic related is $29.99, superior quality, and even still has the xbox logo on it lol.
If you want anything better quality, forget about it. Sony, MS, and Nintendo don't offer anything with hall effect sticks. Why? Fuck you that's why.

Feels like every year every industry becomes more and more like this. Shittier and more expensive, except in China

>>737804663
Already did, everything else sucks compared to this controller. If it wasn't for stick drift after prolonged use, it'd be perfect.

>>737804663
no, I can't go back to after I got a elite

>>737812518
>the controller was a lot fatter and heavier
Yes, that's why it felt nicer.
>the bumpers and triggers didn't meld into your hands as comfortably
If you are using one finger on the shoulders you are objectively using a controller wrong as many games intend for you to use them at the same time or within very short periods of time in addition to the fact that the grips get extremely cramped if you do use one finger. The only time one finger has been worth using since the SNES is on the Joycons specifically because there is not enough room for two fingers to fit and if you try your hand will cramp heavily. The 360 controller had far more enjoyable to press triggers even if the Xbone/Series controllers have a nicer profile to them.

>>737804663
>no gyro
>no back buttons
>no tmr
>no trackpad
I'll pass

>>737812941
It absolutely happens.. games have had color coded button prompts since the Xbox 360 generation.. like you're 100% provably wrong and so confident about it. That's crazy

>>737804663
>runs on AA batteries
This is a selling point?

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>>737804663
>made by people with souls
>paint

>>737813281
>If you are using one finger on the shoulders you are objectively using a controller wrong
It's a trigger > triggers are used with your index finger > you're supposed to use one finger
>many games intend for you to use them at the same time or within very short periods of time
I've never needed to press the trigger and bumper at the same time. It's enough to roll your finger from the trigger to the bumper if they need to be used back to back.
>the grips get extremely cramped if you do use one finger
I've never had a problem with that.

>>737813281
>If you are using one finger on the shoulders you are objectively using a controller wrong
i dont do that. the xbox one controller is better for having two fingers rest on the shoulder buttons at once because they have larger surface areas

>>737814160
>It's a trigger > triggers are used with your index finger > you're supposed to use one finger
Except they're contoured to the middle finger being flat instead of your primary finger being at an angle, PS3 controllers were not trigger-shaped yet expected you to do the same thing, and this isn't a gun, it's a controller and these buttons have existed since the PS1. How did you use a Gamecube controller? Did you legitimately not have a finger resting on Z and R at the same time when tons of games utilized both at the same time?
>I've never needed to press the trigger and bumper at the same time.
Ratchet and Clank has you holding to strafe and shoot at the same time.
Yakuza has you lock-on with R1 which is a hold and then an ultimate mode on R2.
Halo has melee on RB while you shoot on RT and you are regularly running towards enemies into a melee.
Call of Duty provided a controller layout that was the same if I remember right.
Assassin's Creed constantly wanted you holding RT for high profile in addition to putting stuff like the weapon wheel on RB but you don't want to let go of RT because you usually did it in the middle of parkouring.

Some examples off the top of my head.

>>737814354
I can't agree. At best the triggers have a better profile but the bumpers are worse because they're smaller and taper off way worse and in a less comfortable way than the 360 bumpers were. If you use it for hours at a time your finger will also be regularly hitting the button recesses (Also a problem with the 360 controller but it's exacerbated on the Xbone/Series controller). The Nintendo and Sony options of being a paddle instead of a trigger are way superior to how this feels because you can never put your singer into those sides.

>>737809214
gyro is cool but I would NOT use gyro with a screened controller
>>737813948
the dpad on this shit is legitimately the worst thing ever
fucking rock n roller

>>737804663
>coloured XYBA buttons is important
If you're a special needs case, yeah.

>>737804663
I wish there were more rounded d-pads - I find them far preferable for fighting games or metroidvanias overstick.
My biggest issue with Steam Deck is the only four directional dpad.

>>737815132
>fucking rock n roller
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING WITH THIS SHITLOAD OF FUCK

>>737804663
I actually hate this dpad. I can't imagine playing a platformer with that POS.
>The one device in my house that requires AAs
I don't care if the rechargeable battery dies in 10 years, give me that. And no I'm not going to buy a fucking set of rechargable AAs for one device.

>>737812973
first parties have a near monopoly on controllers for their consoles.
its either their first party crap or they sell licenses to third parties in which case they still profit. they have no real reason to improve.

chinks have fierce competition between each other so they keep trying to one up their competitors.

>>737804663
asymmetrical sticks

>>737813694
Show me a gane where it displays only colors and not a green colored A or a red colored B
And why aren't the other 9 buttons colored if it is so important?

>>737813694
so every gamepad without colored buttons is unusable?
what about this one? >>737812973

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>>737817070
and before you say
>oh but that's not licensed
there's countless special edition gamepads like pic related that do not use colored buttons, so I guess they are all worthless for these games of yours that rely on button promots like
>PRESS BLUE NOW

but go ahead and call others confidently wrong, faggot

>>737806297
most retarded post itt

>>737804663
>made by people with souls
I thought it was made by microsoft.

>>737804694
FPBP.

I had to buy a REPLACEMENT because the stick started to drift.

Valve at least knows quality!

>>737804663
>no gyro
no.

>>737818049
That was OP

>>737804663
bro you don't understand i need a controller that ONLY works when steam is running i just do bro i need it bro it has trackpads bro i need it bro

>>737806935
He is using the track pad, what is your point

>>737804663
Xbox is the worst fucking offender out of all of the companies. They're singlehandedly holding the industry back.

>>737806851
Gyro should be standard in game controllers by now, but no. Xbox fags just have to ruin everything.

>>737804663
>comfortable
>eckbok

>>737807130
>money laundering is when you openly pay a bunch of people
Good job, retard. You figured it out. Not sure what it is. It's definitely not what money laundering is, or how anything actually works, but you got it.

>>737809667
One where stick aiming isn't good enough.
>why would you use something better when you could not
retarded

>>737804663
>good quality
The sticks are so bad you're likely going to be replacing them within two years and the bumpers break constantly and need to be replaced. It's a dogshit controller.

I bought a gamesaar G7 because my controller got some very extreme drifting, is it good?

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>>737810617
Gyro is dope

>>737808062
>I learned that to use the Gabepad with emus, I'd have to add them all to Steam
I don't like that. But I just read that the community had a driver back then for the original steam controller. + There is steaminput without steam and apparently Valve has just upstreamed controller support in the Linux kernel.
>emus
>I don't care about additional stuff like gyro or touchpads.
You should. DS, 3DS and Wii emulation is perfect with the touchpads. Gyro is also really good for Wii, WiiU, 3Ds and Switch Emulation. I love it.

I don't like what valve did here, but I was used to DS4Windows for my DualShock and DualSense back on Windows. And all the features, rebinds, configuration shit and layouts are all in Steam, so I kinda get it.

>>737808062
>to use the Gabepad with emus, I'd have to add them all to Steam and run them through it.
There's literally no way that even can happen. At most, you might need Steam's gamepad input thing to use the gimmicky stuff like the trackpags and grip controls on games that aren't on Steam, but there's zero chance that you'll plug the USB thing on your computer and it won't be installed as a normal controller.

>>737812570
I use the first Ultimate right now and when I press right for example but tilt it up or down without touching up/down dpad, it does read the input for up or down, which is pretty bad. But that mostly happens if I push it harder than normally do, so it wasn't that big of a problem.
Still, hope Ultimate 2 is better in that regard.

>>737826042
>You should. DS, 3DS and Wii emulation is perfect with the touchpads. Gyro is also really good for Wii, WiiU, 3Ds and Switch Emulation. I love it.
I bet that's true, but I barely ever emulate those consoles. And I already accepted the fact that I won't get a controller that's perfect for everything when I emulated a PS2 game that needed analog face buttons (that Japanese conductor game, Mad Maestro) and had to give up.

>>737826435
>there's zero chance that you'll plug the USB thing on your computer and it won't be installed as a normal controller
From what people said in a thread yesterday, it does seem that way.
But anyway, I'm done waiting, trying to manage with my barely working gamepad. It looks like the Gabepad should release soon, but there's no date, so it could be in a few months. And there's no telling whether I'd manage to buy one when it's out. I bet they'll all go in a couple of hours.
For now, I'll wait and see what people say after a few of months of using it. I can always get one later.

I noticed that your view on mushy d-pads vs clicky p-pads will influence your opinion on this controller. If you prefer the latter, then this would seem like the GOAT controller for you.

And it is. I always hated dualshock d-pads

>>737804663
>asymmetrical sticks
lol

>>737807081
people use the control stick for motion inputs?

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>>737804663
>best dpad

>>737804663
>nigga looks at his buttons