>>737810652
Looks like the Stone of Mecca. I will not buy this Satanic machine.

>>737810652
it's obviously not for people who already have a gaming PC

>>737810652
I think the point of it was to basically be a console-like pre-built PC that's compact and portable enough to take anywhere but unlike a laptop.

>>737810705
>Calling your Abrahamic brothers satan worshippers
>Capitalising satanic
Love thy neighbor christanon

>>737810652
This thing is exclusively for youtube tech review channels and like 20 trannies obsessed with valve because they played half life and tf2 in their formitive years.

>>737810763
Then who is it for? Nobody will pay twice the price of a ps5 for zero exclusives

>>737810652
>>737810979
>Then who is it for?
Depends on the price. If they manage to cut down the price and make it more or equally affordable than a normal PC, then it'll be a go-to "a gaming thing for my kid", or "a console with my entire Steam library for my TV".
>zero exclusives
Everyone already has a PS5 and Xbox is dead.

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>>737810652
Valve is the new Apple

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>>737810652
you're not the target audience

>>737810979
For people who don't have a gaming PC.
>Nobody will pay twice the price of a ps5 for zero exclusives
What are you talking about? The PS5 is 600€ and Pro is 800€. The Steam Machine will be 650€-850€ depending on if you're forced to take the controller or not.
>zero exclusives
Are you pretending that you can play almost any of the PC games on a PS5? Are you pretending that you can play almost any other console games on the PS5 like you can on the Steam Machine? Even the Steam Deck has access to a larger library than the PS5, even if you limit yourself to only 8/10, 9/10 and 10/10 games and filter out all the dogshit PC/Android and retro games. Any game that the PS5 cannot play is effectively an "exclusive".

>>737810807
Do we know the weight of it? If it weighs as much as a laptop anyway, there really isn't much benefit in terms of portability. That said I have been taking my Steam Deck away with me, and while it's useful as a handheld, it's a bit cumbersome as a PC/laptop replacement because of the need for a case and dock, and issues with cable length when trying to plug it into a TV. So I do think the Machine form factor might work better.

>>737810807
It's supposed to primarily be an HTPC. As in, a console. It's not necessarily made to be easily transferred. It's made to be small and quiet and almost unnoticeable in your living room or bedroom.

>>737810652
small form factor that's more living room friendly, I also thought of it as a somewhat cheaper way to try a Native Linux Box without having to take the plunge on my PC.
It really depends on the price.
If it's over $1000 it won't be worth it

>>737813318
>If it's over $1000 it won't be worth it
Yeah no shit. For $1150 you can get the Playnix Console PC which has a much better GPU and for $800 you can get PCs that are only 5%-10% weaker than the Steam Machine.

>>737810652
>premade PC
>who is it for
For people with no PC, what else?
Specifically console fags that are too illiterate to own an actual PC.

>>737813573
if it's like $750 then I think it'll be worth having a Gabecube for the living room also just to again, experiment with using a linux based platform without having to partition and format and install and maintain Linux. like people saying just ditch windows and go Linux it's kind of a lot of hassle and risk where I would lose everything I currently have and if I don't like it and decide to reinstall windows I'd still lose everything I have
a new machine that I can use on the side to try it out seems like a decent secondary reason to try one out.
But only if the price is reasonable.

>>737810979
>zero exclusives
disingenuous faggot, there's a world of games out there beyond current releases

>>737810979
There's a lot more you can do with a Gabecube than a PS5 since it is ultimately still a PC.
It's a way to get into PC gaming without having to know how to run and maintain a PC, like a console, but with a PC's library of games and other functionality.

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Thanks to CSGO skins I'll be getting one for free, just like the Steam frame.

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There's a TON of console fags who want a pc to access the steam library and this being a standard, devs can make their starting recommended specs at the steam box for optimization.

Its a win win. Ps5 and Xbox consoles cant go back and play their earliest games in their library but this steam box can. Nothing stopping you from launching half life 1 or Pic related

>>737812690
>Any game that the PS5 cannot play is effectively an "exclusive".
this
consolefags like to brag about exclusives cause you can't play them on pc
buf if the logic is "you can't play them on YOUR device, they're only on MY device", then ANY game that is not playable on modern consoles and is playable on PC is, by the same logic, a PC "exclusive"
which in turns means that by the same logic they claim PC has "zero exclusive", PC actually has more exclusives than any other system

>>737810652
>>737810763
I've always prefered prebuilts because I'm afraid of messing with hardware and my current prebuilt system is already terribly outdated, a Steam Machine will be a welcome upgrade to me, better yet is that I trust Valve to not cheap out on component quality like many prebuilt brands like to do. Even if it turns out a tad more expensive than a regular prebuilt from other brands, I'll end up getting the machine to support Valve

>>737810652
nothing is forcing you to buy this OP
you can just not and don't ask stupid questions like this

>>737810763
You would think that but from what I've seen most of the people that are going to buy one do already have PCs. Many of my friends are saying they're getting one and they already have rigs that far outclass whatever this thing is gonna do. They won't admit it but I can tell they just want it because it's a Valve product. Valve fanboys are fucking weird man.

I will use it by my TV so I don't have to lug my desktop computer back and forth every time I get the urge to play from my couch.

>>737815209
>99% of games on the PS5 are multi-platform and are available on PC
>the PS5 exclusives are regularly ported to PC
>PS4 can be emulated on PC.
No. Games.

it's for consolefags that want to jump ship and for normalfags, both are too stupid for regular computers
its os will also provide a baseline for OEMs to finally start jumping ship from windows, they'll just configure it to be desktop mode first

>>737816296
>afraid of messing with hardware
wtf is this shit? why are people so scared of what ultimately amounts to glorified lego? my brother in christ, you can launch a gpu on the floor with the might of zeus and chances are it will work just fine when installed, there's literally zero reasons to fear messing with hardware

>>737814789
SteamOS is not really that useful as a PC since you don't have a system package manager. Which is fine in most cases, but you will probably find things that won't work on it compared to a distro like Bazzite.

>>737816609
I thought they were talking about PC/steam exclusives

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>>737810652
From a normalfag perspective
>building a PC is expensive and the knowledge overhead is intimidating (even more overhead required to make a good budget PC)
>when buying prebuilt you don't know if you're being raked over the coals without aforementioned knowledge
>Switch 2 is weak as fuck
So you would basically be weighing between
>PS5, which would be the streamlined, "walled garden" living room game console
>Gabe Cube, the premium choice for PC level software freedom including emulation, modding, and no paid multiplayer.
It's a prebuilt but standardized on a large scale and geared towards easy living room setup. But yeah obviously you're forgoing one of the biggest advantages of PC, upgradability.

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>>737810652
I don't get it, the same could be said for a PS5. It's a "PC like machine that can play PC games", that's literally the definition of a PS5.

For some reasons snoys make the arbitrary distinction between the Gabecube and PS5, but the PS5 is just an overpriced Gabecube with fewer games. In both case you could always just get a gaming PC.

>>737817963
if you're worried about upgradability you're not the target audience for the cube and could've built something yourself
honestly i prefer what they've done, the upgradability is sacrificed for build quality, you can take this thing into a car and not be worried about decimating your pcie slot like what would happen with any other pc

>>737818181
We don't know the gabecube's price yet, so we can't really say which one is the overpriced version of which yet, tho I suspect the gabecube will be a tad cheaper than base PS5, at around 599$

>>737817963
>one of the biggest advantages of PC, upgradability
That "advantage" is not leveraged by most people. It's a niche to even open up your PC to install a storage device, let alone to upgrade the RAM, GPU or CPU. I'd say a good 70% of people never even pay someone to upgrade their PC for them, let alone do it themselves.

The real advantage of PC as a platform is backwards and forwards compatibility, game pricing and the openness/freedom (to emulate most other platforms, to pirate games, to run various software, to customize and use a variety of launchers, to use a greater variety of I/O devices/hardware). Those are the things that most people leverage on a daily basis, usually without even thinking about it.
Upgrading or even building a PC from scratch are a niche thing done by maybe 5%-15% of PC users even if you only narrow it down to gamers.

>>737818181
>It's a "PC like machine that can play PC games", that's literally the definition of a PS5.
No, it's not. The PS5 can only run maybe 1% of the PC library.

>>737810979
>zero exclusives
Uhhhhhh the whole steam library of every game ever would like a word

I always buy the latest Steam accessory because it's always high quality. And I'm no poornigger aha!

>>737811886
its so funny how every single blerd in the world has the same interests.

>>737818181
the difference to them is that they buy a PS5 cause they dont have a PC
so they're too unaware of what the benefits of having a PC are, wether you have it at your desk or in your living room hooked to a TV

what's funny for me is that i can still see the advantages of a console, my brother in law is a console guy, and even if he's tech iliterate, his arguments for why a ps5 is better for him make more sense than any bullshit you read here about exclusivity or havng better games etc
his argument is literall "yeah, but i dont play that much, and i dont play those games, so a ps5 is all i need, i dont need more"
hell, even in his argument he realizes that a PC offers more than a PS5, and the only reason he thinks a PS5 is better is cause he doesnt need or wouldnt use the "more" that a PC does offer

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>weaker than a base PS5

Dead on arrival

>>737810979
It's a decently compact pretty aesthetic black box you can put under the tv out of sight without the wife bitching at you the same way she would if you tried and bring a big top end tower PC home.

>>737810652
>Literally what's the point of this if you already own a gaming PC?
It's a very powerful SBC-like PC (think Raspberry Pi). That's advantageous because, not only can you stick one anywhere, it can play a lot of modern games without streaming them.

>>737818971
>weaker than a "gaming" console which can't even run most games you can run on Steam Machine
>doa
COPE

>>737819578
...it is though, and it's very obvious that your reply was cope

>>737810979
>Then who is it for?
my living room

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realistic competitive price: $500
price due to ram crisis: $700
anything more expensive and this thing is doa

>>737819713
It's already DOA. It's less powerful than the PS5, which is a six year old console. It's too expensive and normies don't care about it. It will be bought in small numbers by tech enthusiasts but it won't break into the normie sphere.

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>>737818971
People who plan on buying one will be playing tens of thousands of games that will never be seen on PS5. 85% of Steam players are not playing new AAA games.

the machine just has no reason to exist
the deck and frame make sense because they're unique form factors, the steam machine is literally just a mini itx PC that anyone can build right now

>>737820048
>that anyone can build right now
Why is it so hard to understand that most people don't want to build their own PC?

>>737820148
citation needed

>>737820148
those people buy consoles

>>737819659
How do I play Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft on the PS5?

>>737810839
Neighbour, mutt.

>>737816978
You need to understand, now a days people are literally braindead. Even breathing is difficult for these retards.

>>737819824
>It's already DOA. It's less powerful than the PS5
wrong. You dont understand how technology works, this beats the PS5.#
>its too expensive
you dont know how expensive it is, though, niggerfag
While its most likely raped by the RAM crisis, so would the PS6, which is likely going to be even more expensive than this box when it comes out, IF it comes out. Thats why they raised the PS5 prices again, because theyre going to wank this dead horse as much as possible to avoid the inevitable.

>>737810652
have you considered that the target demographic isn't people who own a gaming PC? maybe you should stop coming to obviously stupid conclusions and trying to work backwards from there?

>>737820415
NTA but you can install Linux on it and run it that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3RtGnUqDIA

>>737811715
This one still gets me. I didn’t know valve was so woke. But then they decided to put the grossest they/thems front and center to advertise their new device.

>>737810979
Probably for people like me, I like the playstation, but there aren't any games on it that I want to play on it. All the games I want to play are on PC.

>>737810979
>zero exclusives
The PC has more exclusives than all consoles, for all of time, combined then doubled.
Think about how retarded you just sounded.

>>737820701
Sure, but in that case I could just buy a Linux PC (Steam Machine) and have everything working out of the box instead of having to void my warranty.

>>737816069
you dont even have to be that autistic and stupid, the PC legitimately has more PC-only exclusives than any other platform, combined.
it even has exclusive genres, whole fucking genres you dont see on consoles.

>>737810839
This nigga forgot about The Crusades

>>737821012
Some (most) people who post here don't know much about games in general, so they wouldn't know that.

>>737821012
Nobody cares about your shitty porn "games" and indie crap
PC has zero AAA exclusives

>>737821067
A $400 ps5 is going to be much cheaper than the steam machine. But the way to install linux on more recent PS5 firmware isn't public yet so it's all just theoretical right now.

>>737810652
Il tell you.
It was supposed to undercut the market by being sold at 399 or 499 and finally get gamers stuck on old hardware.
At this point the justification probably is since gamer's can't afford a pc at all maybe they can get this.

>>737810979
People who dock their Steam Deck.

>>737821195
Tourist

He's probably talking about strategy games and rpgs. consoles barely have any of those games... barely have any AA games either. Which again is why PC has better exclusive stuff.

>>737821195
AAA exclusives like Concord? You're a fucking dullard.

>>737810652
First, you need to decide you want to spend your money on Valve's e-waste
Second, you come up with a lame excuse like "I need it for couch gaming, yeah, totally"
Not a single soul that wants to buy this shit wants it because of what it is, they just want it because it's made by Valve.

>>737821195
You said yourself, the PS5 is SIX years old.
List your exclusives. Games you can ONLY play on PS5.
I'll wait.

>>737810652
I've never owned a gaming PC and have been wanting to buy one recently. I've decided I'm probably going to get the steam machine instead of buying a prebuilt or building my own PC. The steam machine just fills a lot of what I'm looking for. You don't have to worry about buying a prebuilt and researching it or go through the hassle of building your own. You don't have to pay for online unlike consoles which is a big upside for me. And you can buy tons of cheap games on sale on steam. It fits under the TV to you don't need a monitor, mouse, keyboard, or desk if you don't want it. Switch 2 + Steam machine/PC is the godtier combination going forward.

>>737810652
there is no point
its for normies and women to get into gaming with their cute little box that doesnt look like a yucky gamer pc

>>737821420
Yep, you can assemble or have others assemble you a small PC for around the same price. People don't want to do that for the same reason they choose to buy an expensive Schaffhausen instead of a Casio. For the clout, to pose with the product in pictures and videos, to brag about owning said product first, etc. Nobody, not a single person gives a shit about this for "gaming": reasons.

>>737821195
The PS5 can't even play most Sony exclusive games or AAA games. Where's your PS1, PS2, PS3 and PSP support?

>>737810705
You have to give seven laps around it before turning on or you will die in the next day.

pretty sure the point is if you dont already own a gaming PC

>>737810979
>for zero exclusives
theres a ton of pc exclusives that run on steamos retard
way more good games than on either consoles

>>737810652
Very small and portable. Great if you travel a lot, but I wouldn’t expect the average 4chan user to understand what it’s like to go out of their house

>>737810652
literally you will never have sex, incel

>>737816602
cant you just download steam link on a smart tv and stream it directly

it is designed for console players to get them to transition to pc gaming

>>737810652
A console-like thing for my kid that'd be easier to use and more locked-down than a regular PC.
>inb4 just buy a PS5
I don't want to spends hundreds of dollars to re-buy games I already have on steam.

>>737821420
>Not a single soul that wants to buy this shit wants it because of what it is
being a console like box that's aiming to be easy to use is literally why people want it

>because it's made by Valve.
being supported by the ward of pc gaming is in fact a selling point, are you stupid?

>>737817963
From a normalfag perspective there's also a good chance you know someone that games on PC, has built a PC and is willing to help you pick parts and build a PC, I would know because I was that someone for a lot of people, a lot of my friends who were console players made the switch to PC at some point, complaining about the increasing cost of online play and wanting to play things that just aren't available on console (older games, strategy games etc)

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>>737810652
>Even if it's mid-range/low-end, you're better off just upgrading it
Upgrading it would involve tossing everything out and starting over.
This is built for me to have a small dedicated machine in my living room with minimal peripherals.

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>>737818181
The PS5 is a computer but not a PC. You legit might be low iq and tech illiterate if you call consoles PCs

>>737810652
It's for me to put 6 in my gaming cafe without spending 3x as much on newer better components

>>737825218
every controller on the cucksole side is designed to break itself lmao
consolecucks would rather pay $70 for shit than $100 for actually well designed products

>>737825218
The only fair comparison from that pic is Pro 2 which is $90, for back buttons and a decent battery life + other features it would be $150+ for Xbox Elite and $200 Edge controller + stick replacement tip.

not buying your saturnian black cube goyslave module, kikel

>>737825218
>I know, I'll just reverse the meme!

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>>737810652
the point is to push Linux to the average consumers. The people who have only used Windows their whole lives and don't know how to install OSs.

>>737822897
>for my kid
Enjoy having him get bullied because it's Linux so he can't play any of the games his classmates play

>>737828161
>the point is to push Linux to the average consumers
Just like android did, right? lmao
Nobody will use the gabecube as a personal computer

>>737828226
Linux can run Fortnite and Roblox

>>737810652
Conzolisation/HTPC of computer. Note that it boots straight into the Steam GUI, no operating system getting in your way

>>737810652
So I can have a second pc in my living room for convenient couch multiplayer when I have people over. Also for comfy rpgs.

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>>737821195
>Nobody cares about your shitty porn "games" and indie crap
Consolefags say this and yet when an indie game comes to consoles they slap their hands together and say it's the greatest thing ever.

>>737828356
I get it as an extreme luxury thing, but doesn't it take like 20 seconds to move your PC over to the living room?

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>>737810652
Literally what's the point of this if you already own a Mercedes?

Upgrading my machine will require me to install win11

>>737829950
nah

So the PC Master Race Movement spent years shilling for the Steam Deck despite having the same overpriced/low performance issue. Now suddenly they’re upset about the cube thing?

>>737821012
>>737821126
>>737821302
You realize that, if people wanted to play simulations and 4X, they would already have a PC? Or, dare I say, a laptop or even a Mac, which runs most of them? You realize that your Holy Cube isn’t for them? It’s literally meant to be a console that runs Steam. You realize what a console is, right?

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>>737810652
>>737810979
I have a full tower PC and it would be very hard to move it to my friends house just to play my Steam library. I'm getting a Steam machine because it's just a portable computer/console that has all of my Steam games on it that I can just plug and play onto a TV

>>737810652
I think the appeal is similar to a switch: its a system that is also portable and you can move it to different rooms easily or take it with you to an office or whatever. cant really do that easily with a PC tower.

also, it's a good entry point for people who havent built a pc yet or dont build pcs.

Why are you making it sound like moving a PC tower is some monumental task? It takes me about as long to get a glass of water

>>737831009
He's a limp-wristed faggot who has trouble holding up his shitch 2

>>737831009
Dumb nigger I'm not moving a $5000 rig every time I want to play and share video games at my friends house. I'd have to load it in my car and set up the mouse, keyboard, Ethernet, etc. I'm not doing all that. Plus I'll be able to watch YouTube without ads with a browser extension. Its going to be interesting using Firefox on it and running Tampermonkey scripts. Maybe I'll do some emulation too and play some retro games.

>>737831220
moving a console to a friend's house sounds pretty niche for 25+ year old men, I was thinking more about moving rooms

>>737831009
It's not, but the cube is smaller than my desktop and would be easier to take to LANs or friends houses and shit.
It's why I take my Deck instead these days.

>>737810652
It was supposed to be an affordable mini-PC since the only alternatives were overpriced chinkshit. However now with the price leaks of $1200 it doesn't really make much sense anymore. I'd say it's mostly for diehard valve cultists who want to get into the ecosystem. And Linuxtroons I guess.

>>737831305
>woah you have friends and play video games together? like a LAN party?! no one does that dude

>>737831538
The internet has replaced LAN parties. Unfortunate reality, really.

>>737831620
the cube can bring them back, it'll be a really sturdy device that can emulate or run nearly every lan game in existence and it can accept every controller

>>737831538
Can't you just... play on your friend's system?

>>737810652
There’s no point. Continue playing your games you’re already playing. You do play video games right?

>>737810652
>what's the point of anything below a 5090 if you already have a 5090
I don't know, autistic retard. Maybe there are people other than you on this planet.

>>737810652
A friend of mine wanted to buy one to keep at his station at work so he could play it in the downtime but since it's a PC, also justify having it around.

>>737831787
The cube can't replace the convenience of opening discord and a game in 10 seconds and hopping into multiplayer with your buddies. When I meet up with my friend I'd prefer to do IRL stuff like grabbing dinner.

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It's for this

>>737831620
>The internet has replaced LAN parties
Not for fighting game players.

>>737832056
Aside from tournaments, IRL FGC has mostly died out. You'd be hard pressed to find a local scene since everyone just plays online these days. Slippi essentially made it so you can play melee with anyone of any skill level all over the world instead of just your local group of 3 neckbeards who are probably all worse than you and won't improve your skill at all.

>>737810979
Nobody sets up their PC for couch gaming, Windows is not intended for it, you run into technical issues like controller not being detected or having to wait for it to update.
This machine comes with commitment to make SteamOS usable for gaming so if it sells you get a console to play Steam games on.
This lets you play exclusive titles such as Doll's Nest, Star of Providence.

>>737832418
>Aside from tournaments, IRL FGC has mostly died out.
Where do you think people practice for these tournaments? Actually, where do you think most of these tournaments are even held? The vast majority are weekly/monthly tournaments held at their locals where they meet up to just play even when no tournament is being held.

I would have been fine, but them the AI came and The Gabenbox of Saturn was cancel. Hay-Life 3 along it… No! (It is over)

>>737832001
fake

>>737810652
There is none, it's Valve's attempt to enter the console market and take business from Sony/Microslop which should be easy as both companies are repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot.

>>737810839
Christians are hatred machines.
They hate Muslims, they hate non-whites, they hate the poor, they hate the immigrant... They only love Jews because Jews hated and killed Jesus. That's their reality

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>>737833258
fake what? Valve loyalists worship the company more than most people worship their own religion if they had one.

I might have considered it if the Steam Machine had Oculink/Thunderbolt compatibility for an external GPU setup.

It’s a benchmark for the devs to aim for so they can shut the fuck up crying about how “boo boo we don’t have a hardware to optimize for”. And it’s for people with money but no time who want a small gaming PC that just werks.

>>737810652
Since PCfags dont have physical games to spend money on. They Asymmetrically spend on hardware. This is why you sometime get pcfags that put thier peripheral boxes on shelves. Its like phantom limb syndrome. They want to buy / collect something

>>737834079
BTW the controller is also for this. So is the Proton and the Linux runtime. It’s so the niggerjeet kike devs have absolutely excuse to not properly port their shit to PC.

>>737833529
Muslim hands typed this

>>737823553
Being made by valve is its only selling point

>>737829681
I'm imagining that and it'd be a big hassle. My full tower would probably overheat in my closed entertainment center too.

>>737834971
>i'm too autistic to comprehend different form factors and use cases

>>737835437
It's more he has zero interest in pc gaming (or really gaming in general) and thinks of this in console war terms.

>>737820747
I mean, that's just what people look like in Washington state.

>>737835437
>b-but
Everything the steambox offers is already readily available. If you really wanted it for "the form factor" or "the use case" you can already have one.
You and I both know these are just disingenuous attempts at coming up with excuses to want to buy a Valve product.

>>737810652
Just to have one for the road.

>>737810652
looks like my mini fridge

>>737810652
I'm buying one cause I travel a lot for work, and it will allow me to have my faggot friends play my steam games.

>>737838982
There are those things called "laptop" I heard they are easy to carry around.

>>737839245
No faggot. I'm using a "gaming" laptop, kill yourself. You dumb nigger.

>>737839315
*not using
Either way, kill yourself. Preferable the Indian way.

>>737810979
I have a Mac and a Switch so this seems perfect for me besides the fact I don't need it because I don't game on PC

>>737839315
>>737839412
>nigger calling me black
Whatever, it's your wasted money not mine.

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>>737810652
the last PC I tried to build wouldn't boot
it's over for me, too old to build proper gaming machines any more
just gonna buy a steam machine and play The Sims or something till the reaper takes me

it's designed for casuals who don't own one / kids

>>737810652
stick it under the tv in the living room to play indie sloppa

>>737810652
its not for people who own a PC

>>737810652
There is no point if you already have a PC. This is supposed to be a retardproof prebuilt to ease consoletards into using a computer. Hope I could help!

>>737838671
no, it's not, you're not getting better steam integration anywhere else, with the cube everything comes from valve

>>737810979
it actually has games unlike the ps5

My girlfriend's brother got her mom to buy him a (very overpriced because AI garbage + orange nigger economic retardation) PC and all he does is play Roblox on it. That's the market for your gabecube.

>>737810979
>Zero exclusives
It has the entire steam library. Delusional af to worry about exclusives, subsaharan african countries might exclusively have ebola, doesn't mean I'm dying to try it.

>>737810652
it's for me who wants another budget pc to ride out the next 5 years after there was no good aaa games in the last 5

>>737841929
Dont you have to run the android version on Linux?

>>737838347
Eastern Washington is so different it might as well be a different state. The same is true for Oregon. There have been multiple failed proposals to create a new state out of the two.

>>737842276
No https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.vinegarhq.Sober

>>737810652
>Why isn't every product made for ME?

>>737842558
Which runs the android version

>>737842870
Does it? Who cares, as long as it works.

>>737825218
The PS5 is a PC. So is the PS4, Xbox One, and Xbox Series Whatever.
The PS3 and 360 weren't PCs.

Consoles don't exist anymore, they gave up

>>737842892
>Sober crafts a specialized runtime for the Android version of Roblox. Effectively, it bridges the small gap between Android and Linux, allowing for a native unofficial port.

>>737810652
Test

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>>737832516
>commitment
>from mother fucking valve corporation
Remind me how many games, features, projects, hardware etc. they left to rot? HL3 confirmed memes, HELLO?

>>737844090
They're still committed to the Steam Deck.

>>737833529
And yet Christian nations are the most welcoming, helpful, & inclusive in the history of our fucking planet.
You're a joke.

>>737844739
You're replying to obvious bait.

>>737810652
doesnt matter since gabe is a cuck and cant figure out how to release it along with the frame. instead you get a shitty overpriced controller lmao

>>737833529
>They hate Muslims, they hate non-whites, they hate the poor, they hate the immigrant...
How do muslim nations feel about Christians, non-arab, the poor, and immigrants? Do they welcome them? Is there free housing & food? How about freedom of religion or expression? Surely poor people are given opportunities to succeed right? There isn't any nepotism, or blood casts ruling 99% of the wealth right? They have wheelchair accessibility at every public location right? Or brail? Handicap parking? Is there hate speech laws? Do they apply to any minorities or just themselves? Are woman more than objects for trade? Yeah Djibouti sounds like a great place to move with my family.

>>737810979
you could have asked the same question about consoletards yet they still exist. obviously PCs are extremely expensive now, but owning a gaming PC over a console has always been more economical than consoles yet people are retarded and want the "convenience" of a console. same with people who want the steamcube.

>>737820550
i will not speak your frenchified mutt angloid language, angloid.

>>737810652
buy an add, fat jew
your 100bux low-hz no-dual trigger, no xinput gamepad is a same

>>737810652
Portability and size. I use my Steam Deck in part to play games with my siblings on a dock. This would replace that and have far better performance

>>737810652
HTPC

>>737810652
I will buy it

>>737810652
I don't care about graphics or freedom any more just gibe me steam box and controller pls

>>737844090
Valve has been commited to steam os for a good long while, and stopping now would lose them money

>>737810652
>Literally what's the point of this if you already own a gaming PC?
There isn't one. The market for this is people that want a gaming PC with the simplicity of a console. Assuming the price is reasonable I'll probably get my kids one because I'm sick and tired of them asking to use my PC.

>>737846328
Like how they lost money where they paid money to their employees to do basically jack shit for 15+ years?
Stop being fucking retarded and get a real PC already.

>>737810652
I would ask this same question to anyone who considers getting a PS5 or an Xbox.

>>737848350
but this is a real pc
are laptops not real pcs?

>>737848839
If I announced I was gonna build a poverty tier 8 gig vram pc at this board all of you valve shills would tell me to get a job and buy a real pc.

>>737849780
no, i'd say it's fine because valve is putting in some real nice work into linux working with 8gb of vram
https://youtu.be/6dXMMwGDW-w

>>737810652
>what's the point of buying a gaming PC when you already have a gaming PC
And other pointless questions

>>737810652
They're preparing for the future where no one really owns PCs anymore. Only smart devices and boxes like Steam Machine with more limiting OS'es, and all the "old computing" happens via AI prompts over datacenters.

>>737853420
meds
shift to linux will mean more people will own their PCs as they can now choose whatever the fuck goes on them without losing anything

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>>737810979
>Then who is it for? Nobody will pay twice the price of a ps5 for zero exclusives
retarded valvecucks they are just as bad as snoys

>>737818471
I've built 3 PCs now and have only upgraded parts in one situation. I got a free GPU that blew the rest of the build out of the water and forced me into piecemeal upgrading to not bottleneck. I would sonner build a new pc every 7-10years than piecemeal upgrade over the course of 3-5years, just to build a whole new pc a few years later when the most expensive part is now significantly behind the curve.

>>737810652
I have a steam deck already. Is this just to save me the hassle of connecting it to my TV?

>>737818712
is naruto one of them

>>737810979
There is already a market of people who buy prebuilt PCs at higher prices with lower performing hardware components. People will buy this. You can't expect it to be like some new console entering the scene going to replace everything or be some big competitor. It's just another product in an already niche section of the market. If you already buy parts and build PCs, this will likely never appeal to you. If you're one of those ibuypower, alienware, or origin pc type people, and your entire library of games is on steam, you might consider it.

>>737810652
I'll probably get one so I can easily take it over to my brother's house when I visit him, and show my nieces what games I play on Steam.

>>737854080
You can stream games from it to your steam deck for better visuals and battery life if you want.

>>737854227
most definitely, and dragonball.

>>737855214
and Marvel
but you know what?
I respect black nerds, cause they're fearless about being judged by others. White nerds will hide their power level, black nerds will straight up wear Dragon Ball and Naruto shirts out in public

>kills physical games and ownership on pc
>stops making games with a few exceptions like yet another assfaggots clone and a scam card game that bombed and was closed after taking people's money
>sells overpriced hardware
>blatantly lies about "steam deck verified" to scam people into buying games their underpowered shit can't actually run even at 30fps 720p
>promotes trannies in their ads
>sells a $100 controller with DRM that needs to run games through steam to work
>charges $999 for a computer with worse specs than a $450 console from 2020
Valve's fall off needs to be studied

>>737856010
Just because your gay thread got pruned doesn't mean you should copy paste it in this thread like the (based) Artifact retard

>>737856010
Like it or not live service games fit valves flat development structure better than 3-5year black box development where nothing may come out of it. The hardware and steam teams are different and more regimented than the game developers and should not be associated.

>>737856010
I rather study Microsoft's fall with Xbox, it's more interesting.

>>737854649
Stream? Meaning noticeable delay? At least I tried streaming my deck to my TV and it is literally unusable.

You VILL buy the cube!

>>737856010
>steam: rapes cucksoles by not forcing draconian drm on every publisher that puts games on their platform like sony, xbox, and nintendo
>hoovers up all the indies, jap, console devs and puts them on to a platform that allows you full control modifying, copying, and cracking game files
>all while bringing PC games to more open platforms like linux and android
thank god for valve that indies and japs aren't locked down by gimped console drmboxes.

>>737810652
Why couldn’t they make it do something unique? What is the defining factor? Preloaded with steamos and that’s it?

>>737857545
Nintendo and Sony are the way they are because people keep jailbreaking their consoles but they give you a permanent offline license. Nintendo also pushes for indies and AA, Nishino is gutting the western PlayStation division with Hulst on his way out, and Nishino wants indies and AAs on PlayStation. Xbox is the odd one out, those fuckers are an actual threat to console and PC gaming and need to choke. Valve, Nintendo, and Sony are all going for a low-end baseline pushing for optimization and efficiency. Third-party devs want to optimize their games because of RAM shortages. Microsoft still want only high-end AAA slop games that go over the budget. It's only a matter of time before Xbox fully crashes. They're also the only ones with no permanent offline license for digital owned games. Most console problems for gaming is really just Xbox and Xbox alone.

HL3 was delayed for the gabetendo shitcube.

>>737825218
>comparing a controller with all the features of a pro controller to the standard controllers
literally the only fair comparison here is the switch one and it's still 1000000x worse

>>737856010
digital ownership is 1000x more valuable than physical ownership and that will always be the case, your physical games will rot but digital ones will be transferred forever into the future

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>>737858517
>digital
>ownership
LMAO

Everyone is talking about the average person buying this but if it’s only available on steam most will never get it. It needs to be on amazon and the shelves at wal mart next to the PS5 and Switch for the average consumer to buy this. The only regular person who gets this is someone who has used steam before or has friends recommending it.

>>737859231
>own a ps2 game
>can't insert it into a ps5

>own the original half life and hl2 on steam
>can play them on modern pcs

>>737854635
i would unironically pay like $100 extra for an official orange box skin

>>737859373
>>737859424
retard can't even quote

>own a ps2 game
>can still play it flawlessly on my ps2

>"own" (borrow a digital license)
>need the latest windows version to be able to run steam
>can't play it on the same pc and OS you bought it for

>>737859512
this is the biggest false equivalence i've seen on this board in awhile

>>737810705
Shalom

>>737859512
>own a ps2 game
>my right to play it expires with the hardware

>own a steam game
>my right carries on to whatever hardware i buy in the future

>>737810705
God created geometry, not Satan, child.

this shoebox is already better than my shitbox, so i'll buy it

>>737854227
I dont like naruto and I like DBZ and original DB. Super is dogshit

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>>737859575
>yes gaben please force me to use the latest windows to play the games I already paid for on the computer that was already running them with no issues on a previous OS

>>737844739
not a good thing

>>737859702
you don't have to use the latest windows, 10 still works fine
you can still choose the penguin but you're too dumb for that level of freedom

>>737859607
Imagine being a grown man and sipping for digital only

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>>737810652
don't need to setup shit, just plug and play.
Unlike gayming pc.

>>737859826
imagine being a grown man and caring more about putting plastic on your shelf than the practicability of things

>>737810652
>Literally what's the point of this if you already own a gaming PC?
I haven't been able to upgrade since 2017 because of all the retarded ass shit that's been going on with electronic components. The Switch 2 that I got is arguably more powerful than my computer right now, which only has an R5 1600 and an RX 580.

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>>737818181
>It's a "PC like machine that can play PC games"
It can't play TF2 so no, it can't play PC games. Hell the PS5 barely plays Playstation games properly, literally everything currently available in the classics collection catalog is using horrible emulation, which makes no sense when the PS3, PSP, and Vita had that shit locked down pretty well.

>>737810652
valve will make like 2 of these anyways
this shit is just for turbo autists

>>737859512
>own a PS2 game from the 2000s
>can still play it flawlessly on a PS2 from the 2000s

>own a PC game from the 2000s
>can still play it flawlessly on a PC from the 2000s

this is a correct equivalence

>own a PS2 game from the 2000s
>can't play it on a modern PS5 from current gen unless i rebuy the same game i already own in the form of a remaster or even worse a rerelease

>own a PC game from the 2000s
>can still play it on modern PC from current gen thanks to free updated and community driven fixes without having to rebuy the same game i already own

this is a correct equivalence

you, on the other hand, are mixing the 2, equating the us of older hardware to play older games to playing on newer hardware with newer updates, which is clearly not an equivalence

>>737810652
nobody. it's the worst of both world:more expensive than a console but less upgradable than a pc

>>737810979
>zero exclusives
The number of PC exclusives utterly dwarfs the number of exclusives for any other platform, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>737859702
>latest windows
(anything from the last 15 years)

>>737859702
It's coming with Steam OS you dumb fag.

>>737845250
You will burn for your heresy, white pig.

>>737818712
Crazy how blerds end up being the most pleasant people to talk about stuff due to their sheer autism at times.

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>>737810652
I like the idea of owning a smol funny pc box.

>>737864762
>keeping it next to your previous pc to make how small and cute it is extra noticeable

>>737810652
there isn’t one

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>>737842040
>budget pc

>>737810652
it's a living room couch console. it plays a different role than a pc

>>737810652
its for bug eaters who don't care about physical games or true ownership

>>737860209
You have a really easy upgrade path ahead of you
Buy a 5700x3d and a used 3060 (or something equal in price from amd)
You probably won't need to change your mobo or ram

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If it can handle RPCS3 and Xenia well then it'll be based.

>>737844203
barely lmao, the only reason we're getting further steam OS devving is bcs of the machine

>>737810979
PS5 and Xbox are shit and even normies are starting to notice.
The only thing PS5 will ever have going for it is timed exclusivity for GTA6. That's pretty much the only reason to even consider buying one and it's not a good reason.

>>737866126
>>737866126
>If it can handle 20 year old consoles well then it'll be based.

>>737865904
It's a Linux computer, you can pirate whatever you want, what are you talking about
Do you think it's a console locked into Steam or something?

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>>737866362
>Linux
why are they using an out of date distro?

>>737810652
It is to make PCfags seethe. It is the antithesis of all their arguments. An outdated, overpriced hardware which trades everything PC is supposed to be about for convenience. PCfags sprint decades memeing how consoles are PCs because they just use slightly modified parts from major vendors now. And now they face the reality what is actually an off the shelf smart form factor PC. Weaker than the consoles, entirely dependent on Valve who is not obliged to guarantee 7+ years of support for most releases. It is also the perfect portray of the dishonest PC arguments where everyone loves to claim they can put together / play on a better rig than consoles for a comparable price. Valve exposed them with the 70% and by making a shift tier PC which they can't even release because they can't afford the components.

>>737866260
Unironically yes. That was the last gen to have any exclusives worth a shit. Soulsfags would buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Demons Souls at 60fps.

>>737866417
It's just a prebuilt nigga, it's not that deep. Prebuilts have been trading customisation and price for convenience, and gamers that built their PC have been dunking on prebuilts for decades. Except prebuilts are genuinely cheaper right now because AI garbage is raping the real consumer market.

>>737816978
This generation of folk are lazy as fuck and have grown up with devices that just work with minimal amount of thinking or effort needed.

That's why you see zoomer trannies with vintage pcs playing doom like it's some sort of incredible achievement and people applaud them in the comments like theyve discovered fire.

Whereas for old bastards like me, it was just a regular procedure of pain getting things to work, and we had the bare minimum of information to go off yet still managed it.

They've never had it so easy these days. It's literally lego, as you said, and hardware and software are so much more compatible that you barely even need to think or even do anything.

Anyways boomer rant over I fucking hate this generation of faggots.

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>>737810652
If it was actually affordable?
I'd take one to my local game store. They have these monitors set up in the play room, and twice a month, I bring in my RetroPie to play games with some of the other people there. For a while now, I've been wanting to upgrade to like, a cheap Dell Micro or ASUS NUC, so that I can do at least up to Wii Games, but opening to the door to PC games would be amazing as well.

With the price it'll actually have?
No point at all in buying one.

>>737866417
This, I love Valve

Even at $1500 I would get it for the ease of use and attractive package to have this in my living room and perhaps get my GF to play a game or two
I don't own and won't own any consoles, so that is not an option
This solves a problem and I have a job

>>737842937
The early-gen PS3 with the Other OS option was more of a PC than any other more recent console.

>>737866485
you are a retarded consumer

>>737811707
>everyone already has a PS5
what? fucking nobody has a ps5 (and why would they)

>>737810652
>Literally what's the point of this if you already own a gaming PC?
Gaming PC to plug into the living room TV if you
>have a family
>get along well with your housemates
>want to play a movie-game on a big screen
>want to destroy your bro in a screenshare game
>want to play a co-op game with your gf

Its the console equivalent of a Steam PC for normies.

>>737810652
looks pretty small, good for being a mediabox + videogames?

>>737810652
I can think of two reasons for me personally
1) if you just want a machine that can play older games for cheap as possible
2) you want a PC in a more portable case

>>737867273
if its under 800 dollars its worth it
anything above that for the base model and its a scam lol
you could make a pc that would play the same games for like 200-300 dollars by jamming a 6 or 8 core cpu into a older prebuilt and throwing in a rx 6600/7600 or a gtx 1070/1080
if its a 7600m non overclocked its supposedly like a 5700 xt
so not bad
pretty much all ps5 games that are not badly optimized till the end of the gen at 60 fps 1080p

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>>737810652
I might buy it.

PC gaming is a hassle for couch gaming and the future of PC's is laptops anyway. Fewer and fewer people are buying desktops. Gaben knows this. There's a massive opening and he's sees it.

The reason people are skeptical is not because of the market its going for. People are skeptical because they don't believe it will work as advertise. Everyone has been burned by bold claims that turn out just to be more shit.

>>737810979
kek it's always the snoy starting shit

>>737867457
you def wanna get offline consoles/pcs/ipod/handhelds for the future
theyre going to try and rug pull everything
im sorta fucked lol i got 2 pcs that are not great for linux
gtx 1070 + ryzen 1700 shadowbanned wont boot windows and linux is a bitch to get to run
and this shitty optiplex with a i5 7500 and a 1660 super that is shadowbanned from all games but osrs
and running stuff like plex/firefox
theyre after me hardcore lol
i was playing cold war earlier offline cuz i didnt accept the new psn terms and they crashed my lobby and tried to force the terms on me
so microsoft just remotely disabled my legally purchased ps5 game
you know what i think
i think that god is a child molesting rat fuck nigger thief who stole my entire life and owes me under the laws of karma
fuck you god you shit stained child raping nigger you are of 0 worth

>>737810652
>Literally what's the point of this if you already own a gaming PC?
Hook it into the TV so you can play couch-coop games with friends or family.
Or alone if you just want to chill on the couch with a controller.

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>>737810652
I think the idea is appealing to these guys right here.

>>737867457
>PC gaming is a hassle for couch gaming
I've never understood this argument. Like, literally, what is the hassle?

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>>737867605
I have a 14 year old top of the line 55" LG that still works perfectly fine. Newer consoles won't work on it because of newer HDMI protocols even though the tv has HDMI inputs. I have had the same issue with older Blu Rays on newer Blu Ray players. Inputs, standards and protocols change.

There is a point in time in the future where an older console simply will not be able to plug into Playstation Network because of some new protocol or standard in the future. And after 30 days it will be bricked.

>>737867786
nigga just buy another pair of ram sticks

>>737867786
solid strategy

>>737867971
If I made one post for every PC port of a game that made headlines for not working properly the thread would hit the bump limit. You know this. Everybody knows this. PC enthusiasts simply think getting things to work properly is worth the extra hassle.

>>737868068
lol no the boot keys got leaked
ps3 was hackable within like 15 years of launch
ps5 will be hackable within this decade lol
like as in retard proof hacking sony fucked up
i shouldnt have bought ps5 or switch oled but i can just wait to hack both
im playing ps5 right now without accepting the terms and using it for plex netflix and hbo max and they cant do jack shit lol
oh no they shut off black ops cold war woe is me

>>737868350
>every PC port of a game
Huh? I don't understand what you are talking about. Are you a different anon?

Or are you seriously suggesting the Steam Machine somehow fixes bad PC ports...? (I mean, it won't. What are you even thinking here?)

>>737868625
Yes I'm the same Anon.

>Or are you seriously suggesting the Steam Machine somehow fixes bad PC ports...?

That is exactly what I said in my original post.

>The reason people are skeptical is not because of the market its going for. People are skeptical because they don't believe it will work as advertised.

Console couch gaming is less of a hassle. This is a fact. The Steam machine's entire business proposition is that it will be less of a hassle. Its a HARD doubt. So it remains to be seen. But the market for it is absolutely there.

Microsoft already knows this. Which is why this week they are already floating making Xbox Live free for their next console generation. It's to get ahead of the Steam machine.

>>737868956
>That is exactly what I said in my original post.
I see... I guess I misunderstood your whole point.

>The Steam machine's entire business proposition is that it will be less of a hassle.
Are they really advertizing it like that? Because I've missed that too, then. Are you sure that's not just hopeful dreaming from someone...?

I'll admit that I don't understand the point of the Steam Machine to begin with, but I've assumed that if it was cheap enough, some consoletards might pick it up, instead of some other console. However, it just seems more and more likely, that it won't be cheap. So I honestly struggle to see the appeal.

isnt it dumb how RAM costs more than a CPU right now, stupid AI slop datacenters.

>>737869260
>it just seems more and more likely, that it won't be cheap.


None of the next gen console are going to be cheap. They are all floating high price points for next gen.

>>737869554
This. Next gen consoles are $1000+.

>>737810705
It's Kabbalah cube, cult of Saturn and cult of Moloch that both Muslim and Jews worship it would be the best for the world for them to genocide each other

>>737810652
>>737810979
Why didn't you start your thread with being a disingenuous retard so everyone could have saved themselves some time, faggot?

>>737810652
The target audience for the Steam Machine isn't people that are already into PC gaming. It's an unupgradable pre-built piece of shit that'll be extremely overpriced to boot.
The only people who should buy this are retards who don't own nor want to own a PC and just want to play some PC games on the couch. IE: kind of nobody?

Given the extremely overpriced price point that Valve has pretty much all but confirmed at this point, I really don't know who would want to buy the Steam Machine unless they're some Valve cock gobbling fanboy.

>>737869945
>muh upgradability
nigger, using atx compatible shit increases the price due to needing to support a wider spec and makes it more fragile
is your phone upgradeable?

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>>737871920
>people figure out how to run Linux on PS5
>sony immediately pumps the price up by 20% to prevent people from just buying it as a PC

>>737868094
it's VRAM

>>737868245
Would have been a year ago before the prices really skyrocketed and everything got fucked.

>>737810652
my gaming pc was mid tier in 2019 and i move a lot so im def buying one

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>>737872482
PTSD from the PS3 era

>>737810652
>your kid / nephew needs a gayming pc and you dont want to shop around

>>737876436
Any bottom tier prebuilt is going to be more powerful and cheaper

>>737877275
you are paying a surcharge for ecosystem entry and game compatibility certification, good customer service.
icba to look into the specs and current hw prices, but back when i bought the 64gb deck and replaced the ssd it had very solid value for money overall.

>>737877569
Are you retarded?

>>737877735
you forgot to attach your frog or soijack

>>737810652
I just ran an hdmi around my wall from my pc to my TV and use it as a second monitor. I can only get 60fps and no HDR but who gives a shit when I am couch gaming.

Gabecube mogged by an hdmi cable....

>>737877985
you don't even need a cable, just share the image with wifi
or if your tv is in the living room, just install steam link on it

>>737810705
Fucking A, It didn't even click for me to think of that.

>>737859616
Only satanists worship geometry

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>>737810652
>but I don't like bean soup!

>>737825218
I like how the meme references how corporations are killing themselves and stand a very real chance of going out of business but the worst one can say about steam in response is 'LOOK! They're making an overpriced controller!' haha steam is doomed guys gottem.

>>737878695
Streaming is always worse than hard wire

>>737878695
Trash suggestion. Cable will always be superior

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>>737817963
>>737818471
yeah upgradability is just a huge meme, even in PC centric circles, you have people talking about different CPU sockets and shit and I'm left thinking, who the fuck constantly buys new CPUs or RAM every 1-2 years? idk about you guys but the main thing I see people upgrade in the real world are GPUs and even then it takes usually at least 3-5 years to swap things out, upgradability feels like something "cool" to have for people, but I would guess the vast majority never actually capitalize on that

>>737882467
The only internal components I ever changed were storage devices (mainly upgrading from HDDs to SSDs). I only swapped to a different GPU once mine died and this only happened once in the past 25 years. I've never upgraded my CPU, RAM or motherboard. And I built almost every PC I've ever owned.
None of my friends or family members ever upgraded anything beyond storage (most didn't even do that) and half of them also had at least 1 self-built PC. The way I see it PC upgrades are a niche even among tech enthusiasts and gamers.

I mean, why upgrade a GPU after 5 years when you can just upgrade the entire thing, no? That way you're usually getting twice the memory and twice the CPU performance, a fresh new PSU and mobo, and a fresh new storage device.
Incremental upgrades aren't worth it at all unless you've bought an ultra-budget device. For example, if you bought a PC with integrated graphics and you want to upgrade to a dedicated GPU in 2 years. I guess now with memory prices it also makes sense to only buy 8-16GB now and upgrade to double the size in a few months or a year if money is tight.

>>737882467
Not necessarily. I bought a prebuilt with a ryzen 7 8700f and have every intention of upgrading this summer to a 9800x3d

>>737810979
>Nobody will pay twice the price of a ps5 for zero exclusives
that already exists its called PS5 pro

>>737810652
works out of the box. What windows people are complaining about when it comes to linux

>>737885528
>works out of the box
Yes, if you only want to use it as a pseudo console, otherwise you have to deal the usual linux bullshit

The real point is to strong arm devs to optimize their games. Because if you see "runs at 10 fps on the steam machine" on the Steam Page, nobody will buy your game

fuck you sony you stupid kikes im going to play my ps5 with the terms not accepted
then call your customer support and cancel my ps plus
or have my grandpa cancel the credit card
you dont get to lock me out of my account to prevent me from canceling my ps plus you child raping nigger jesus ass licking kikes
i am going to buy whatever the cheapest possible pc is or repair what i have
and not buy a single fucking game from you or any of the child raping nigger jesus's rape companies
im sure youll try to have me arrested for free speech
again.
but nothing i am saying is illegal
i have ever right to call a bunch of child raping nigger thieves
child raping nigger thieves
in what world do i deserve to be tormented to death
lawfared and harrassed 24/7
for not buying corporate products
?
fuck you child raping nigger God jesus kikes

>>737810979
>for zero exclusives
But that's wrong, you retard.

>>737889641
At best, PC ports will run just as bad as they do on console, instead of worse

>>737817689
>system package manager.
Pacman is there. It's literally the PACage MANager.

The ISSUE is that Steam Arch isn't like a "traditional operating system" to where you can fuck it up. It's like newer shit like Fedora where "updates don't nuke" at the expense of users not having the ability to put shit that stays between updates on it.