Should we allow decompilation projects to use AI tools?
>>737818418I don't recall anyone asking your permission to allow it
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>>737818668Yes nigga WE
>>737819303>WE
>>737819570WUZ
Its funny watching ai luddites fall further and further behind the curve. There are people right now making money off of claude and gpt subs while they just bitch.
>>737818418I don't care as long as it works.
>>737820014Based>>737819797Cringe
AI is a tool and if used with reservation and understanding that you'll need to smooth out the edges of its half-functional nature, there's nothing wrong with itthe reason people hate vibe-coders isn't that they start with an AI base, it's that they never iterate on and improve it from thereI'm not even gonna get into any arguments about AI generated art/music/etc. because that's beyond the scope of this discussion but I will simply state that complaining about AI tools in a coding field because "I hate AI slop art on my twitter feed" is like complaining that a car battery tester can't give you an X-ray.
>>737818418No, I don't care about context, I don't care about any good it might be able to do, ai is an existential threat to human society and the only way to combat it is zero tolerance
>>737819797People were saying the same thing about NFT games a few years back.Where are they all now?
>aifine>blueskyfaggot
>>737818418If it works, it works. Nobody's being screwed out of job oppourtunities because an unpaid volunteer project uses tools.The only arguments against this kind of AI use are quality and environmental impact.If they can demonstrate that quality is not affected and the decomp works, then there's no quality issue.And environmentalists deserve to be thrown out of windows.
>>737818418Care about the results, not the process.
>>737820014I share your opinion, but I'd still prefer it be done by someone who knows what they're doing instead of ai so the end product is more stable.
What kind of AI tools? Since I'm not a programmer myself, I don't know where the line is between using AI to efficiently look up and copy functions from external sources (i.e., something everyone does when coding) versus when "vibe coding" begins and it simply makes shit up based on its predictive text. It's like using an LLM as a search engine and not knowing if you're getting accurate results or if it's summarizing someone's bullshit blog post. Given how even companies like Microsoft and Nvidia constantly break things every new update thanks to their AI code and spend more manhours simply undoing when the AI did, I don't think it's trustworthy.
>>737820584I think the biggest issue with any kinda AI discourse is that we've all been using AI to some degree for years and years for basic things (an example (of something that admittedly nobody actually likes) off the top of my head is image smoothing on smart TVs), but once it became a buzzword everyone started slapping it on these things so now they're branded with the mark of the best according to people like the one in OP. I'd really like to see what tools exactly he's so mad about because odds are it's the same ones that were used by the teams doing every other notable decomp like mario 64 or whatever
>>737820583The guy who is doing the Sonic R decomp also did multiple decomps in the past and he didn't use AI while developing them. I think he knows his shit
>>737820286saaar its different saar ai is the needful
>>737820295 >AI slopper hates site that is against AI slopI'm shocked, shocked!Actually not that shocked.
>>737820906So he was just lazy on this one then?
Would be nice to have AI train on DOS games
>>737818418Yes, decompile all the softwares.
That's going to be a yikes from me y'all. It's unethical to use AI in my heckin' video game piracy. I will not support this.
>>737821882Decomp take a lot of time so he wanted to speed it up. Like a true Sonicfag
Grok decompile the ps2 library and add a bitcoin miner to every executable.
>twitter tranime avatar wants me to be outraged about AI usage in decompiling an objectively terrible game that is probably only being “ported” so it can be shoved with Miku model swaps and other gay shitWhy can’t these people ever focus their efforts on good things? And I mean both sides when I say this.
>sonicstadiumThat takes me back. I miss when the Internet was full of places to visit instead of 3 media platforms.
>>737818418i think using a computer at all is dishonorable or something to that effect to be quite honest with you
>>737821492>tranny hates something that makes life significantly better for everyoneshockerenjoy your dying twitter clone
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>>737823334Sonic Stadium forums are still a thing tho
>>737823465Get new material
>>737818418AI-assisted with review is fine (which I believe a lot of the decomp projects have been doing with AI). Doing wholesale AI decompilation is dogshit though. Not for ethical concerns, but because it'll just be trash.
>>737818418i support whatever makes anime profile pic faggots angry
>>737818418what is stopping the op faggot from doing his own decomp?would the op faggot be upset for somebody coding in C instead of assembly?
>>737818418Yes, are you fucking insane? Have you ever tried to reverse engineer anything? Pseudo code, machine code, assembly... OS Devs and RE Chads are the gods of programming, using AI (a tool) to help with that is only natural.
>>737818418These decomp/port projects are always open source. Make your own damn fork & rewrite if you care so much.We finally get an Animal Crossing PC port and it doesn’t get the support it deserve because self righteous faggots don’t like that their morally gray port was Claude-assisted. Ai generated code is not the same as Ai-generated art
>>737820295>>737821492>>737823285>>737825752BlueSky is vibecoded with Claude.https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micqcyeawc2ghttps://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micqcyeawc2ghttps://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micqcyeawc2g
>>737819797Its going to be a huge slap of reality. I work in an office with 6 total people and using AI as a support am 75% of the way through creation automation tools that will put all of them out of a job. They are all so stupid and get cranky when you ask them to do anything using tech later than circa 2005. I get really giddy knowing they will all be gone soon. Maybe about a year or so. And I'm just doing this part time in between other job tasks. With teams of dedicated programmers, a lot of people are about to be in a lot of trouble.
>>737823334>instead of 3 media platformsthat keep reposting others platform's contentsee: this fucking thread
>>737818418How long until we can feed games to AI and it slops out a working decomp after a few days?
>>737820286Bro... You don't have to pay for AI as long as you use the free tier, it sucks yeah but it's good enough as a starting pointNFTs are not free and they can't code or do something usefulYou AI bad retards are retarded
>>737820014This. Like would they rather some asspie take two and a half years to get a version ai could do in minutes??
I keep advocating it. The whole point of decompilation is people trying to recreate software from a compiled binary so it's pretty guaranteed that they're going to be looking over the results to see what the byte match is. Auditing of AI content is the thing that makes it palatable for me.
>>737818418Should we allow people to start threads by using a screenshot of a Twitter post?
>>737826085Yeah, and the site is breaking constantly because of it. If anything that shitty site is the perfect example of why AI tools are useless.
>>737820286>comparing power tools to trading cards
>>737818418I used AI tools for my decomp project. I found that while LLMs were really quite terrible at producing working C code from assembly, they were extremely good at being able to tell exactly what a function or algorithm is doing. So my process was to use Ida Pro and hook up Claude with an MCP server, then tell the clanker to rename local variables and add comments. That way Ida's heuristics were doing the heavy lifting of the decompilation but I was able to get something pretty readable extremely quickly from the output that I could then fix up and port to modern systems on my own. Pretty powerful combo.
Who cares. Sonic R is shit anyway and controls like driving a fucking tank.
>>737820286>People were saying the same thing about NFT games a few years back.>Where are they all now?Just 4 more years man.
>>737826556>Wow this tool you've worked on has saved us alot in labor costs jimmy>thanks mister bossman can i have that raise now?>What raise? go pack your desk up we don't need you now that we have this.That's you in "maybe a year or so" shabbos goy
>>737821492actual troon
>>737827387sshhhh you're not supposed to actually know how AI can be useful for thisbe outraged instead.
>>737821492Sis...
can we focus decomping good games that are impossible to emulate and aren't fucking dogshit? I dont give a fuck about AI. Just decomp shit that isn't retarded and autistic, especially when you can just emulate them.
>>737818418Using AI for tedious busywork is the best-use scenario.
>>737818418I don't care as long as it works, unless you want to sell it to me.>but he's had crashouts on bsky for people pointing it out.Here's the problem
>>737828049You think a small company can afford to pay the salary of a dedicated software dev to maintain it? Lmao. You guys really are retarded and have zero idea how this stuff works.
>>737820286NFTs tried to be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, AI actually tackles a problem that exists and tries to cut down the work. It's like arguing the value of a receipt with an expensive stamp vs an excavator. Excavators are great at digging holes, and when used as such are great, but if someone tells you they're trying to add an excavator to your reading club, they're retarded. Fancy stamp receipts don't have a place anywhere except maybe insurance but even then we don't need it.
>>737828713This shit is insane to run, tried to play it and it's sequel and it was a slideshow.
>>737827103Free tier AIs are retarded and not very useful for much except as a google substitute. Just pony up the $20 for GPT5.5 or Opus 4.7
>ask someone why a specific use of AI is something that they won't permit, when you can't see the harm of it in that context>get told something like "IF YOU HAVE TO ASK THEN YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM TOO, YOU FUCKING BOOTLICKER, BLOCKED."
>>737830520its impossible to run. Dolphin doesn't emulate it's microcode they used to make the game look 15 years ahead of its time
>>737820286NFTs = Paying for a piece of text that says "i own this trust me bro"AI = Literally spawns in a brand new image, text, video or audio out of a text prompt. Majority of the time the output is of acceptable quality.Only retards think these two technologies are comparable.>>737818418If the AI-generated decomp code produces output identical to the original game, obviously yes. AI is great for reverse engineering.
>>737827428I BET YOU HATE THE MUSIC TOO, YOU FUCKING POSER.
>>737818418The whole point is to be able to generate the same output binary. If your decomp doesn't do that, it's an unclean re-implementation and not a decomp.
>>737818418who cares what some indian npc on twatter has to say
>>737830963nft is a good concep for digital ownership with decentralized validation guess why it was suppressed and slandered
>>737820286>no new technology will ever amount to anything because there were some NFT monkeys saying silly stuffImagine being this retarded.
>>737820583True, it's kinda like the difference of something being transported by truck or hand carried from 2000 miles over. I just prefer the human touch.
>>737830418>tries to cut down the work.*tries*All I've ever seen it do is push the work out until eventually the code debt is so enormous a total rewrite is the only way you're getting that "quick feature change" to work. I don't want to be an AI "luddite" I am lazy as fuck, I *want* to be able to outsource my job to claude code, I just can't. I have spent nearly a week trying to unfuck 1500 lines of code that some "AI is so cool bro" made. It's impressive how it's a matroshka doll of retardation.
>>737832449No different than dealing with any other retards code. Especially Indians. In fact AI code is often superior to what most Indians output.
AI is effectively just good google searching, or at least what google searching used to be. Remember back when you could solve a problem and normalfags would be so impressed and inquire how and you told them to just fucking google it? It was witchcraft. They would wonder "how do you pore over all that information and find good results?" Now AI is just making that easier and suddenly they have access to the magic you've been using all along and their minds are blown.
>>737818418Why would I care what a Sonic troon thinks?
>>737832860>25 year old sonic fan???
>>737832642Sadly thist. working with indian superpowered files that all have 70 000 lines of code each with nested and anonymous methods and classes everywhere.The software is stupid slow, takes 10gb of ram just to load, constantly crashes and get new random bugs every day and it's being used to replace a far better software because "it's too old"
>>737819693KANGZ>>737820014/thread
>>737820014yeah why would I care. just decompile it and build a pc port
>>737823285>Why can’t these people ever focus their efforts on good things?Like what?
>>737823465>>737826085>>737828141I'm just here to laugh at your seething that another group actually broke away from yours to make their own, with blackjack and hookers.I'm sure you flooding it with captain picard will take it down for sure this time since the last 20 attempts failed.LOL
>>737833089I personally worked some tickets recently to patch up some security vulnerabilities introduced by recent vibe-coded work. I used claude myself to get it done quickly, but it's a great example of how you still need the technically skilled people to steer things.I don't think AI coding and document creation is really gonna eliminate entire roles long-term, but rather just enable one person to do what used to be the work of a several in the same role.
>>737826085>>737827304xitter is also using ai to do stuff and it's retarded as fuck. It's been randomly banning people that did nothing wrong, and the entire appeal system is ai so you get nothing but automated responses when you try to appeal and say you're human and not a bot.
>>737833562Making a role easier to automate means that roles start getting combined to extract as much labour out of one worker as possible. So they do get eliminated, just in a different way.
>>737821882No you sperg. Its more like>make Playlist version with ai faster>users report bugs>bugs get replaced by handmade code>product gets finalized 2000% faster
>>737820286AI is going to have a reckoning when the bill finally comes dueUntil then though - why not use it?Also not for coding, but I can generate plenty of porn locally on my computer, so it works for me
>>737818418this is like getting mad at students for using calculators for graphing work
>>737820286The only people who knew what an NFT was were terminally online faggots.AI is already being adopted by every major corporation and many governments. Its not going anywhere, seethe more.
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>>737833462><disorganized tranny schizobabbling>ok
>>737831415>digital ownership?Author still had the distribution rights by all means and purposesWhat killed NFTs was market saturation and no government backing decentralized validation, like how tf do you enforce decentralized ownership?
>>737818418As one of the rare faggot on this planet who actually enjoy reading and writing assembly, yeah fuck you luddite.Decompilation is a fucking gruesome task and there is a bajillon games that really fucking need it.
>>737818418AI tools should be rejecting requests to decompile games. Why pay for a remaster, when you can steal and sell the code from the original game?But of course, AI tools are also being used to conduct mass shootings and build nuclear weapons, so I have no faith in it all, really.
>>737818418>allowYou'll just be like picrel if your autism disallows you to use something you _know_ has AI. Nobody is going to "manually" decompile a game that has already been decompiled and works so that autistic freaks can play it.Enjoy ruining your own fun on your machine that only exists because of actual child slaves mining rocks.
>>737818418This is probably a pretty valid use for AI. It's not exactly creating anything, just inferring the existing data structures from binary and making it human-readable again. Reverse engineering is fucking tedious if not sometimes feasibly impossible without a large amount of time and resources.
>>737828049>thanks for the free software nerd, you're fired>I'm the only one who knows how to use it and has its password, good luck>W-WAIT! ABOUT THAT RAISE!!
>>737830539Grok fast shits all over the paid versions of ChatGPT
>tfw you lived long enough to not only see censorship come back full swing but also modern day luddites that want to hold society back so they can circle jerk over AI bad
>>737835525Do you think locking your employer out of software they own is legal?>N-No, I made it so I own-stupid
>>737836090>I made it so I own itYes. That is literally how it works.If it's a 3rd party program that was built and implemented outside the suite of software they licensed you to work with, you own every byte of it.
There is an easy way to figure out if an AI user is someone who has genuine skills and wants to use the tools for further efficiency or if they're a retard who is desperately hoping that AI will make up for decades of them being lazy and refusing to learn any skills. "Luddite." It's a buzz word that will tell you that they're a fucking retard incapable of a single unique thought.
>>737836208Incorrect. Software you create during the job belongs to the employer. The world would cease to function if your hallucinated definition was accurate.
>creator is an assholeWHOTHE HELLCAAAAARES
>>737836374Sorry, when was it established that I created the software while on the job?
>>737836427If you made it at home then yeah, you can fuck over your employer. If you didn't, prepare your anus in court
>>737836374So if I create a porn game while I work they're now forced to acknowledge it?
>>737836512If it has any reference to your employer or their tasks, you're fucked anyway. Salaried employees aren't on and off the clock. Creating the software was blatantly part of you working on your job duties.
>>737836512I fail to see how completely and flawlessly automating my employer's digital business would be seen as "fucking them over".At most I'd be fucking over my coworkers, but fuck them and fuck you.
>>737836307>LudditeI think most people just use it as a stand-in for "retard" because they have no idea what it means. But I think a lot of the knee-jerk hatred you see on reddit and other places when someone says they used claude code or whatever to do something cool more quickly (like in the OP) is completely correct usage of the term.
>>737836597They could sue you for it and likely win, yes. If they wanted to. What's with these ill considered "gotchas?"
>>737836626>this nigga thinks anyone gets a celery anymore, like we're not all "contracted specialists"lol, perhaps even rofl
>>737818668>>737819570ARE THE CRUSTAL GEMS
>>737836696I meant stuff like forcing Google to acknowledge that they made Sex with Allah because I would have made it while working there
>>737836597Actually, yes. And the likely outcome would be them destroying the source code and suing you for any branding damages if you published it without permission.
>>737836597Yes.Disney famously as a vault of "official" rule34 porn drawings dating back to fucking snow white, because that's what artists do when they don't have anything to do and don't want the company to get freebies.
>>737836647Were you careful enough to set a dead man’s switch at least so that you’re not quite so replaceable once your boss takes reducing headcount to its logical conclusion?
>>737818418Humans already made Sonic R. Being against using a tool for that is just having a problem with AI use at all at that point. >>737827103>Bro... You don't have to pay for AI as long as you run it locallyFIFY>>737820286Well I never saw any purpose to NFTs other than a rugpull scheme, I am actually using AI and getting functionality from it to do things I couldn't before, truly that is the merit of a tool.
>>737818418>tfw someone used ai to decompile a game
>>737836749Are you some third-worlder temp? Basically every software dev I know (including me) is salaried unless they run their own contracting business. IT guys are often hourly because they're on call so much at weird hours, but they also aren't usually considered software devs either.
>>737818418>This guy who ported a rom is an el jerk!And? Why would I care? Are we going to see retards pushing roms that were ported over by nice people even though there's no monetary value to either?
>>737836626>If it has any reference to your employer or their tasks, you're fucked anywayLol>Salaried employees aren't on and off the clockBy your logic if there's any expectations of him showing up at the office the company is fucked.
>>737837249Your post makes no sense. But I guess I shouldn't expect much of people who like to imagine themselves being badass and defeating the company when there are mountains and mountains of precedence showing that the little guy will not win, every government will squash you like a bug to give your employer a handy
>>737836307Actually no. A luddite is someone who rejects all technology and technological progress on an ideological basis you fucking retarded hylic I detect a little curry in your smell!
>>737818418Luddites must be euthanized.
>>737818418I don't care if they use it or not. I just want more games ported.
>>737834225>——The summary on the right is written by AI
>>737819797cringe>>737820014also cringe
>>737837406I take this back and apologize, I don't know why I'm being such an asshole. This site brings out the worst in me.
>>737837442Thank you for proving the point, saar
>>737837994for what reason is there to protest someone fully unrelated to the 20-something year old main game making a decomp for it?
>>737818418The Jazz Jackrabbit decompile has been going on for more than a decade at this point. It's still not done.https://github.com/AlisterT/openjazzYes, we need AI...Or a proper source code leak. Maybe both cause I don't think anyone knows how to read Turbo Pascal anymore.
>>737818418AI might just be the only way to get decomps of less popular games. It's a thankless job with 0 pay and the people with the technical skills to pull it off to begin with most likely have jobs to worry about
>>737818418I don't see why it would be a problem in any way for fan projects. It's not even "I don't care as long as it works", if it doesn't work then people will just not use it and are free to do a better one themselves, just as it's always been.It's not like he'll own it and you'd have to pay him to do a better job. If it's shit then it's shit.It's the same as scanlators/fansubs.
>>737820286there isn't a single human being on the planet that earnestly thought NFTs would work the way they were promisedanyone who did believe is too retarded to qualify them as a person
if you've been anywhere near the decompilation scene you know people have been describing code mutation tools as the holy-grail for years if not decades, and AI is little more than that
>>737818418why the fuck not? ai being used for decompilation might be the best use of ai so far?
>>737839197Cause all the retards who "learned to code" realize they're just as expendable as coal miners...Except the coal miners were never expendable.
>>737837039>run it locallyI would love to do just that, as long as you can explain to me how exactly I can make it possible without owning three separate 4090s.
>>737839849I have a 3070 with 12GB of VRAM, I supplement it with a lot of DDR4 RAM. CUDA improvements let me run text models as large as 30b. I am too green to know enough and explain APIs but there are plenty of generals on /g/ doing that.
>>737818418As a programmer, I can say that using AI tools is fine for tasks such as this, because there's almost zero creativity to be experienced doing it. As long as the end product don't send your info to the pedophilic, child eating democrats, it's fine.
>>737840046Thanks for the confirmation that it's theoretically possible with decent GPUs and enough RAM, although I doubt that /g/ would actually help me out instead of calling me a newfag for not knowing where to start setting up an API on my local machine. Bummer, because I think that it's one of the places on the internet with the relatively more competent people.
Who the fuck cares what you use for it as long as the end result works well?It's not even a commercial product where you could argue AI is stealing jobs.
>>737821492Blues Cry is a site that is full of trannies and leftist retards. That’s why I hate it.
>>737839393you will never be intelligent
>>737818418Enjoy AI while it lasts. Copilot is ripping the bandaid off and other services are sure to follow suit. No more free rides. Unless you’re very wealthy AI coding is over.
>737840716Poor bait
>>737820227>they ignored him, because he spoke the truth and there was no ragebait controversy in the truth.
>>737836208>If it's a 3rd party program that was built and implemented outside the suite of software they licensed you to work with, you own every byte of it.Please consult your contract and what kind of agreement you would get into if you were to use it in the workplace, which of course requires consent.They will require the examination of it, likely by an expensive third party, to ensure it meets criteria (data protection, isn't a virus, isn't bad, isn't malicious in any other way, meets user specifications you DON'T know about and DIDN'T code for)>y- yeah b- but I'm not going to use it at this workplaceThen you had no reason to make it. And no, no-one is going to want your program made for another workplace.I've known friends who have automated their own work hard enough it's made others redundant. You DO NOT provide these tools to your employer, the bureaucracy will say no AND take them away from you because it will consider it dangerous (and it likely would be if adopted because you're not a business partner and therefore not responsible for any problems).
>>737820227>the reason people hate vibe-coders isn't that they start with an AI base,that is precisely the reason why they are hated
>>737820227Good post>>737841334those who feel that way are ideologically captured and haven't even entertained anything beyond the equivalent of rooting for a team
>>737827103>just use the free AI!>it might be lobotomised but that's okay!What are you even using it for at that point?
>>737818418yes
>>737820227>AI is good>because if you just fix all its mistakes...>you see, you don't hate AI>you just hate people who don't fix its mistakesThere's nothing more dangerous than an idiot in controlAI lets the idiot be in controlThe idiot cannot fix the mistakes and doesn't understand what he's doing in the first placeErgo, I hate the AIThis is like saying "Don't hate the retarded murderous rapist immigrant, hate the system that allows the immigration", you can and should hate both
>>737842148How do calculators make you feel?
>>737818418I think it's OK, as long as you understand and review what the AI tool is giving you. And regardless of how you use AI in your project, there's always going to be people shitting on you for it.Here's a similar situation I saw recently in RHDN:>Guy A is making a brand new level editor for Super Mario Bros. that supports more features (support for all games that are variations of SMB1, support for custom GFX, support from working with disassemblies instead of just ROMs, etc.)>Since Guy A wants his editor to support Lost Levels, Vs. SMB, All Night Nippon, etc. he uses disassemblies made by Guy B.>Guy B is in the thread where Guy A is showing development of his editor. They get along well.>Guy A mentions in one post how he used Claude AI to obtain memory addresses from Guy B's disassemblies.>Suddenly, Guy B loses his shit about his disassemblies being used by a "glorified chatbot".>Another guy calls out Guy B about the claim that AI tools are glorified chatbots.>Guy B doubles down on what he said about AI tools, then claims he can sue people about how they use his disassemblies since he never released them with permissive licences.>Guy A tells Guy B that he won't be using his disassemblies anymore for his project, along with calling him out on the idea that he can sue people over code he doesn't actually own.
>>737842271>is a brick>comes in basic, scientific and graphical flavours for the beginner, advanced and master/specialist users>provides the same output no matter how many times you give it the same input>extremely accurate and will tell you if a number is recurring>if you can't tell by this point, it does not hallucinate>can last your entire life, especially if solar powered>no subscription required>no electricity bill required>no updates required>no safeguards for heckin' 'isms>can type 8008135 all you wantAnd now the important part>all input and output is not automated>you are responsible for transferring the "data" between the calculator and your tax return>YOU are liable if the calculation is wrong>it looks like gibberish if you don't know what you're doing because you are inputting gibberish>the calculator cannot say Drop Table to your SQL database>filters retards and can be used to out scam artists fiddling the numbers
>>737842271false equivalence
>>737820286holy retard
>>737842271requires understanding of fundamental principles to "work" correctly
>>737832642The closest I've come to working with Indians was dealing with an API that had been outsourced to the finest the ganges could produce. The thing went from 20 lines of PHP into a 2000 line strong java abomination that hard coded windows UNC paths so you not only had to use windows and not a tiny VM, but you had to make sure the printer sat on exactly the right port they used in testing. Unplug it and replug it and you'd get a new identifier and the job was fucked.
Why are leftists so autistically obsessed with hating AI?
>>737842148>Ergo, I hate the AI>This is like saying "Don't hate the retarded murderous rapist immigrant, hate the system that allows the immigration", you can and should hate bothIt's more like saying you hate screwdrivers because a psychopath jammed one through somebody's eye. Tools can be used in good and bad ways. Call bad actors out on using them badly.
>>737818418AI is just a toolif used responsibly (i.e. account for its hallucinations and fuckups, refactor messy code), it shouldn't be too much of an issue. unfortunately, that scenario is but a pipe dream, so in practice AI is shit and shouldn't be used
>>737820227you're a moron. no one bothers to fix AI's mistakes. the entire point is not lifting a finger. ergo it's not worth using>>737828049>>What raise? go pack your desk up we don't need you now that we have this.There's no problem there. automatizing yourself out of a job is a desirable outcome for society. ideally you'd go and find another job that can't be automated
>>737843086>API and UI also come prepackaged to perform simple and complicated functions for different degrees of users>giving the exact same prompt with the exact same seed will also always yield the same result, because it is an algorithm>do not need subscriptions to run my AI either, the equivalent is if Google hosted a calculator on its Drive>rounding errors depending on syntax can and will affect output, which is chalked up to as much human error as any prompt construction>does the power from calculators just come from God? Your phone, computer, or TI are running off some batteries or building regulated power source as well. >safeguards, see local comment>I can type "8008135" in an LLM and achieve the exact same value of results as I can on a calculatorElaborate on automated input. I still type my prompts. >you are responsible for transferring the "data" between the calculator and your tax returnwhat AI are you using that automatically inputs your tax data? This is such a specific example, I could talk about all the specific use cases of matlab scripts and how they are automated, but we both should acknowledge how niche and cherry-picked these cases are. >YOU are liable if the calculation is wrongPretty sure the lawyer that had AI write up their case files and was called out by a judge for making up Supreme Court cases took the fall there, not the AI that wrote it1/2
>>737831415>nft is a good concepno, it's shit>the NFT only contains a URL that points to a website. if the site goes down, there goes your "ownership">servers around the globe have NO obligation to honor it, and it makes sense because why the fuck should every game be forced to implement items from other games
>>7378454342/2Finally you made many points alluding to the fact that an AI will carry you and assist a user for not understanding how it works. Just like a calculator however, you will NOT be able to perform functions that you cannot yet understand. An LLM will hallucinate at best, or return depictions of confusion at worst for users failing to articulate what the user is failing to prompt it to do. You greatly underestimate the wide array of use cases for AI and how much you need to comprehend and understand those operations in order to use AI effectively. If the difference between knowing how an AI functions, how to better craft a prompt, and the nature of the operations you are looking to perform, an AI will be significantly less useful to you as the user, like with any tool, such as a calculator. You are complaining about automation like programs do not have calculators built in and can automatically insert values that were just calculated, like a spreadsheet. I can understand if you've never taken a higher level math class and have never computed a value that is magnitudes off from what the answer would look like at a glance. Say you are calculating an efficiency ratio, a number that would be impossible to escape the range of 0 to 1, and you get a 1.5. It is on you, the user, to see this number and realize an error had occurred somewhere in your work or input. This is not escaped with every LLM; I have seen some able to infer you had mistyped a word, but those are so varied that the number of LLMs that will see the error and fail to address it and instead use the error to calculate or continue to generation. Same as a calculator, it is up to the user behind the wheel to infer this and readjust. by the way, an LLM is a horrible tool for raw calculations, they are not programmed with arithmetic logic, it's still predictive text at the end of the day. >>737843608>requires understanding of fundamental principles to "work" correctlyboth do
>>737818418>hey guys i did this cool thing check it ou->random twitterfag interjects because they dont like something about itthe SAME FUCKING SONG AND DANCE EVERY TIME
>>737835525>>I'm the only one who knows how to use it and has its password, good luckyou get sued to the ground for this. job security my ass
>>737818609fpbp
>>737831415I've seen how de-anonimized crypto has become over the years and I absolutely see that the powers that be have totally won the optics war on them before making sure every avenue for crypto and a crypto wallet have been institutionalized and given mad paper trails to one's own identity. We have been played yet again. I never saw value in NFTs because normies would only talk about rugpull pyramid schemes, no surprise if that was all controlled.
>>737845487nope, garbage in, slop out
>>737845503I made it bro i own itIf its your than access it
automating decomps is probably one of the more forced issues to be upset about because it's actually a legitimate use-case for getting rid of tedium humans shouldn't have to deal with.
>>737844501They think it's going to steal their jerbsyes, it is ironic
>>737834634>>737840669>NPC buzzwordsOgey pedos.Your AI slop will still never be accepted by the normalfags. LOL
>>737846495bro who do you think is guzzling up all the slop
>>737818418how does one reverse engineer and how does AI even do that
>>737836626>>737836512if it is a product you made related to the business you are being paid to work at, it is automatically "for hire work" and owned by them.you would need a very clear legal agreement to prevent this, and it doesn't sound like you have that. it's not uncommon to have such an agreement, and a lot of people do this, but if you plan to have them pay you life support, make sure that it will be expensive for them to just cut you off
>>737826556They will remain hired as long as they have friends upstairs.
>>737845819Trannies and leftist just love to bitch about anything these days. Make things easier to develop on things that are low risk and they freak out. AI shouldn't be coding your GPU drivers or your operating system. But a port of a video game is such a stupid thing to complain about
>>737846495yeah and kamala was the real winner but conservatives cheated by enforcing voter id right
>>737845434>>737845487The premise was it's a tool that allows idiots to do damage. e.g. an indian on a phone, or a wagie with his workplace's claude subscription.Your argument is a mixture of>I'm an advanced user who runs it on my own machine and believe I have total control over it and its processes>if I rephrase the arguments, e.g. an apple glistens, I can train my image prompts to reproduce wet and shiny things in an image file format, ergo my AI is an apple, ergo all AI are apples, ergo praise AI our silicon vishnu god!and then you went on to say "Um, yeah, well it'll hallucinate but, who cares if it's wrong! It's YOUR FAULT!"Wow, it's as if "Idiots with the power to do damage" is the problem.I mean, really, if you think putting boobies into a LLM is the same as a calculator, you've never held one in your hand.And then there's the fact that you seem to think a solar powered calculator, that can work in the Arctic or the Sahara Desert, for decades, is the same as your AI that runs in your PC tower, when the power plant is working, is burning out your parts, which now cost more thanks to AI, and you are ENTIRELY DEPENDENT on software releases that you have to download because YOU did not make your AI and YOU don't know what's going on inside your AI nor any future versions you get that will become more and more curated.Congratulations. You're a consoomer. Eat your shit and stop bitching that not everyone is worshipping your corpo slop.
>>737836626>Salaried employees aren't on and off the clock.lollmaoretard
>>737818418>i don't like a project because the creator is a mean guyI fucking hate people so much.
>>737818418The funny partTHEY CAN'T some games are hardcoded like C++ , borland and blitz 3d
>>737848015You might wanna check what a decompilation is.... or what hardcoded mean.
>>737818418Decompilation is the exact kind of tedious shit that AI should actually be used for. As long as the guy is checking it and making it maintainable who fucking cares?
>>737826085Bluesky's leadership has proven itself to be technologically retarded and a detriment to the site, and people only continue to put up with it out of a desperation to not use Twitter
>>737845797Really putting the S in ESL with that one bucko
>>737849732I patently refuse to believe this is true. Even though it most likely is. I will willfully live in ignorance, that people are this fucking stupid.
>>737850273>Charge your phone in the microwave
>>737818418AI is very good at decompilation, he is right to crashout on retards complaining about it.
>>737836512Actually he can't because he's clearly using it for his employer's company. If he didn't get permission BEFORE doing so and clearly stating it was his own work and then tried to use it as a gotcha then he's heading to court as well because he illegally added unapproved aspects to the business that the CEO doesn't control. He'd just get sued into having to hand everything over as well as a sizeable chunk of cash.
No one actually WANTS to decompile anything. That's why so few people do it. It was always every decompiler's dream to have a magic software that could speed it up for them. And now it's wrong that they have just that?If you hate AI so much and don't want it to be used to decompile games, why don't YOU fucking do it? Because I guarantee you, none of the people who ARE doing it actually want to spend months of their lives on this shit. They're only doing it for the end result, the actual process is complete trash.
>>737850273>+/-15 years ago>d00d just heat up the spoon and run it under cold water, it totally won't explode>just throw the penny in the fucking chlorine gas mix and blow really hard for crystals and definitely not burn your lungs out from the fumes... and the dumbfucks actually did it. Retards will always retard, only difference is there's a lot more of them now, and plenty of places to show it off, especially since computers and the internet is cool now.
>>737846967AI doesn't do the reverse engineering, you use a tool like Ghidra or Ida Pro to take raw assembly OP codes and transform into a primitive C code which is not runnable, it looks more like a puzzle.You take that primitive code and feed to AI, AI will transform it into a real piece of code.It can speed up the job, but you still need to "solve" the puzzle by yourself, AI isn't smart enough to do something like that alone.It would require AI to have a +10M context that wouldn't degrade or hallucinate, such thing doesn't exist.
>>737844501Leftists hate it because it let's non-leftists "create things" which they believe is their sole-field and they'll be replaced by those evil alt-right neo-nazi racists.Rightists hate AI because it's endorsed by mentally retarded jeets that are too stupid to have anywhere near a computer. They're fine with AI as a tool, they just hate jeets and can see the issues coming from unrestricted AI useage(aka block india so they can't have access to it whatsoever they're an active detriment to technology.)
>>737837442>clanker lover calls anyone else a hylicKEK
decompiling the most random ass shit no one asked for, why Sonic R of all games
>>737818418Nobody gives a fuck what this fag thinks, if this decomp has this mentally ill retard's disapproval, then it has my full support.Twitter screencap threads should be a bannable offense.
>>737852252Adding characters, improving controls, decomping requires extreme autism and that is often found in Sonic fans.
>>737847424>>737846751>WhataboutSeethe all you want, real people don't wan AI slop.
>>737818418From "NO AI ART" to "NO AI", fucking hell, twittertroons have completely lost the plot (as if they had it in the first place lmao)Seriously, even if you give them some grace in their crusade against AI art, how does any of that apply to this case?
>>737852559>from demanding no AI to no AI, what a retarded leap in logic...?
>>737851517I think it's a noble goal in that it helps to preserve games and potentially run better without having to rely on either hardware or emulators. But yeah, the idea that you're not working on an original project when you're smart enough to decompile a game doesn't sound very appealing.Is there anyone who was clamoring for Sonic R out of literally dozens of classic arcade racing games? AI or not, so long as it works, couldn't it always be improved later by a person if they wanted to? Or could their potentially be fuckups or spaghetti code in a decompilation effort that would make it not worth trying to fix?
