>soulless nostalgiabait rollslop
>masterpiece

Don't know if it is, but I still had more fun with 2 and at the end of the day that's all I remember.

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>>737829256
but enough about Dark Slop 2

>>737829173
Even if we all agree with you (we do), everyone will post bait disagreeing with you because everyone here but me is a disingenuous little snot nosed faggot.

>>737829173
It's the only dark souls I never bothered to finish.
So yeah it's inferior.

>>737829454
>it's the only dark souls that I wasn't good enough to finish. So yeah I'm inferior.
Fixed that for you champ

>>737829173
It is worse.

>>737829526
Do you get all your opinions from video essays made by 16 year olds who get all their opinions from tiktok?

>>737829173
It's straight line rollslop that removed everything good about 1 and 2 and DES. I bet you don't even like those games. Elden ring is ds3 but better. Bb is ds3 but better (well ds3 is bb but worse). Sekiro is better. Fuck off. It's the worst game they've made. 18 bosses. Half gimmicks like wyvern tree wolnir deacons etc. Fuck OFF. Straight sword rollslop. Ds1 = 2 rolls full stamina, ds2 = 3 rolls, des =3 rolls, ds3 = 11 rolls
NO PLAYSTYLE IS FACTUALLY AS GOOD AS SHORT SWORD ROLLSPAM. EVERY ORHER OTHER TYPE OF PLAY IS FACTUALLY WORSE AND LESS DPS
LEVELS SUCK
FUCK YOU

>>737829427
>>737829890
Like clockwork.

>>737829640
No, I get it from having played all 3 titles and knowing 3 is by far the worst.

>>737830108
That's funny since I know you don't actually play video games.

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>>737829890
>

>>737830027
Ds3 is just a shitty action game instead of a surreal metroidvania/zelda-esq adventure like the rest of the titles outside of armored core 6 have been since des. You not caring about that and wanting dark souls to be a different series just means you don't like the series itself. I hate you. Fags like you ruined Zelda too.

>>737830151
Why this need to project your own inadequacies?

>>737829173
>Massive amount of what is either cut content or content specifically chosen to be churned out, so the game is mostly swamps, unfinished areas and copypasta corridors stitched into a straight line
>They only put effort into churning out bosses, which are all placed into featureless boxes for you to fight. None of them have any real relation to their location and they all have two phases which just makes it even more obviously generic
>Everything is brown
>Assets are obviously unfinished. Almost all helmets are iron textured blobs.
>Lighting engine is shit even compared to what DaS2 could do
>All of the content with actual effort put into it gets reused in Elden Ring like the crabs
>I hope you liked everything before Undead Settlement, because that was roughly 80% of the game's content by weight, and the rest of the game is 70% of the game's content by volume
>Most of the game's playstyles that weren't just straightsword swinging were patched in weeks and even months after launch
DaS3 is shit. DaS2 is also shit, but that's mostly because of featurecreep and being caught with its pants down while experimenting, not because it was phoned in and they were working on other things.

Ds3 is too linear. Ds2 is genuinely the better sequel.

>>737829256
The 3rd game in a trilogy coming out 5y after the first game is not "nostalgiabait"

>>737829173
The bosses were definitely better in 3 but I had more fun playing 2. The non-boss gameplay is MUCH better in the previous two games.

>>737830617
Ds2 is a better sequel to Ds1 but Ds3 is a better game.

It's intentionally visually repulsive and extremely repetitive

Half the bosses are stupid gimmicks

Many of the new enemies are bloodborne rejects that don't jive well with the dark souls playstyle

The balance is terrible and was only barely improved over time

Weapon upgrade materials are handed out even more stingily than in Elden Ring unless you kill dancer early to skip to do lothric castle early

It's excessively linear

>>737830290
Tendie seethe lmao

>>737830840
It rehashing literally every single thing from DS1 and going "MEMBER THIS? MEMBER THAT?" is nostalgiabait thougheverbeit.

>>737829256
>>737829454
>>737829526
>>737829890
>>737830108
>>737830290
>>737830295
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>>737831056
This is the same schizo that shits up every ds3 thread btw lol

>>737831195
>tranny words
You don't pass, sorry

>>737829173
Anyone that likes linear corridor boss rush slop souls 3 the most had it as their first souls game, without fail this is always the case. Fuck off, zoomie normalfaggot.

>>737831302
>gets btfo'd
>immediately obsesses over trannies
Like clockwork. Never change you obsessed freak.

>>737831224
You should kill yourself

>>737829173
heavily carried by the soundtrack

>>737829173
It is worse than dark souls 2 but that’s hardly saying much, the power gap between those 2 turds and the rest of the series is unreal

>>737829173
DS2 at least had great PvP, DS3 was shit in all regards.

>>737829173
Gael is the best boss in the series but you have to wade through total shit to get there

>>737831195
Im the person youre replying to. I do not see it that way. I think they expanded the story/mechanics/etc. in a satisfying way that felt appropriate for the final game in a trilogy. Also the reprisal of gwyns theme for the final boss is just fucking cool and I dont care what anyone says.

DS2 had enough confidence to do wildly different and weird shit with the formula and setting. DS3 has so little faith in itself, it spends an embarrassing amount of its runtime trying to remind you that DS1 exists and hoping that you enjoy its many, many references.

>>737829173
I stopped playing my latest playthrough of this in the ringed city. I was at the second swamp section (lmao dark souls 3 swamps) after that really really poorly made staircase spammed with those fat guys with the hole heads and just never finished the game.

Which is crazy considering I love midir and Gael, just kinda cemented the game as the worst in the series for me. Couldn’t hook me in even when this is my 5th or so playthrough to actually finish it this time, never happened to the other games this deep in a run.

>>737831364
Dark souls 3 is pretty fucking bad as a corridor boss rush game because it’s really imbalanced. If you like bosses the best experience is to do dancer, consumed king, and champ, which is fairly doable low level since they don’t have much hp, but if you do that you basically have a maxed out weapon. And the other route is just really long so it’s a poor boss corridor, the whole slop section from vordt to abyss watchers is poopy

>>737831973
Gael is hype as fuck, perfect presentation, but he's also too easy

>>737831994
The Gwyn plin plon pong moment is ruined because they had the perfect opportunity to close the “demons soul spiritual successor” loop, in which nearly every single aspect of demons souls has been recreated in the dark souls series except the fucking end boss. You keep the gwyn reference, you keep the song, but instead of making him le epic jjk hype moments and aura stronger than he was, make him a weak piece of shit to represent the actual theme of the game and to reference allant

>>737832608
Anon, the Gwyn you fight IS a weak piece of shit compared to what he used to be before burning away his soul. And you got your Allant reference with Bed of Chaos already, why would there be a second?

>>737832608
>but instead of making him le epic jjk hype moments and aura stronger than he was, make him a weak piece of shit to represent the actual theme of the game
They did. Through the music, the game hypes up what's happening as if he's about to undergo a radical transformation into a super final challenge, only for him to just switch to the Gwyn move set as the music dies down and you kick his ass, before he impotently roars in defeat and falls down and dies. They even brought back letting you betray the level up girl if you feel like being a douche bag, with it being even more petty and vicious this time.

>>737829173
DeS > DS1 > BB > (power gap) > DS2 > ER > (power gap) > DS3.

>>737833185
Damn, this might be the first of these rankings I actually agree with. I might swap DeS and DS1 for some minor reasons, but otherwise spot on.

>>737832034
Ringed City really felt like they were becoming aware that players could run through most of the game and then started making that part of the game. It does not feel like they reasonably expect you to clear all the enemies. This continued into Elden Ring as well.

>>737833185
>>737833409
You only like the PS3 games because they're babyshit easy

>>737829173
I don't dislike it. I'm indifferent to it. It's a videogame, it exists, it's the third Dark Souls game.

>>737833667
You only like ds3 because it was your first one, zoom zoom. Sorry but it's total shit. Absolute garbage as a dungeon crawler and trash as a boss rush game too.

>>737834346
I was raping people in PTDE for GFWL while you were in diapers. Also I never said I like DS3. I like DS1 and 2 better than DS3. But saying that DeS and DaS are far better than all of their sequels makes clear that you only like them because they are the ones you can comfortably finish, because you are bad at videogames and lack the patience to get better.

>>737833185
why the hell do people love DeS so much? it's an okay game at best. in no world is it any better than bloodborne, DS2 or elden ring.

>>737834597
>why the hell do people love DeS so much?
PS3 nostalgics

>>737834490
Lmao, sure widdle baby, sure. DS3 is shit, DeS, DS1 and DS2 are great dungeon crawlers that continue the tradition of KF. You lost and got raped.

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>>737833185
DeS = DaS > DS2 SOFTS > BB = DS3 > SHIT > DS2 > ER

I absolutely hate what BB did to the Souls series.

>>737833667
>best atmosphere
>best pacing
>perfect balance between presenting a straightforward and complete narrative, and hidden depths/further context the player can uncover
>most memorable NPCs
>most memorable bosses
>most memorable areas
>level and enemy design grounded enough to feel believable, fantastic and elaborate when it needs to be
>best balance between character ability and enemy ability
It's not all about difficulty, you know? This might be hard to understand for a secondary who only bandwagons on these games for e-peen, but it's true.

>>737834689
A valid point, but BB is also the best iteration of the "fast souls" formula it started, so I still like it a lot.

>>737834689
SOFTS is fucking garbage and ruins DS2 as a KF successor because they wanted to add ebin enemy spam. Trash taste and you're a mongoloid. BB is kino, not its fault FS decided to stop making dungeon crawlers after. To even equate it to 3 is hilariously retarded.

>>737834676
>You lost and got raped.
Go back to your switch zelda threads you fucking retarded tranny
>DeS, DS1 and DS2 are great dungeon crawlers
Of those, only DS2 is even remotely a dungeon crawler. Also kingsfield sucks dick

>>737833185
This might be the worst take I've ever seen. It actually reads a lot better backwards.

>heh, i hate how linear DS3 is-
>but Demon Souls levels are literally straight hallways that are not interconnecte-
>SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP OLD GOOD NEW BAD AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Linearity is a sin

i enjoyed all souls games but in DS3 case
>awful graphics, worse than any other souls, everything looks the same, same colors making places not memorable
>roll and attacks with mega low stamina cost
>extremely aggressive enemies and bosses
>stamina and enemy changes making the game r1 and rollfest

>>737834951
Yup, you have garbage taste and got filtered lmfao. You lost aaaaaand got raped. DS3 will always be the worst one, sorry faggio.

>>737835018
Demon's Souls also lets you do the worlds in different order, retard. DS3 is a literal fucking corridor with the world's most boring graphics and swamps littered everywhere.

>>737834835
>Janky controls
>Shit balance
>laughable multiplayer
>bosses are actually mostly uninspired and lame
>DS1 is blatantly unfinished, with half the levels after Sen's Fortress closer to fan mods than thoughtful game design
>NPC quests are obtuse and unforgiving to the point of poisoning people's perception of the franchise well after they solved the problem
>About half the music is mediocre
>No level music at all

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>>737834928
DS2 SOFTS fixed the PVP, which was ABSOLUTELY fucked in the OG thanks to Soul Memory. So yeah, SOFTS, way up there, and DS2 waaaaay down there (imo).

>>737834928
>because they wanted to add ebin enemy spam.
DS2 vanilla has way worse enemy spam and you've obviously never fucking played it.

>>737835301
I won't even address the rest of your drivel, but just fucking imagine the audacity of calling NPC quests in the early games "obtuse and unforgiving", but defending DS3 and ER.

Does /v/ hate Elden Ring because they got filtered by cute girl?

>>737835305
>pvp
Ah, you mean the shit nobody cares about. I also did my fair share of pvp on vanilla and never had an issue either way.
>>737835352
I literally played DS2 at launch, zoom zoom. Your precious SOFTS made the enemy spam far worse than it was before and put enemies where it doesn't even make sense for them to be.

>>737835305
SOTFS is a mixed bag. Some changes are good (item placement), some are strange (way more petrified statues), some are fucking dogshit (enemy spam, placement that completely spoils later reveals, like the dragon in Heide).

>>737835426
>I literally played DS2 at launch
show achievement completed date

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>>737835261
>muh order

believe it or not, DS3 has a few different paths that you can also do out of order too while also being a game that is interconnected rather than levels that are literally named after super mario brother levels (1-1, 1-2, 3-2 etc)

demon soulsfags will literally defend the most braindead, easiest, shortest and most linear soulsfag game with shit tedium and pvp bosses as literal main bosses at the end of 2 main stages cause...OLD GOOD

>>737833185
Based

>>737834981
You have horrid taste, ER is dogshit and DaS2 is not far behind

How does this board never tire of having the same discussion? It's been 10 years. Variants of this thread show up daily.

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>>737835618
What do you want to talk about, anon?

>>737835618
Demon Souls fags are still seething to this very day that people dislike their slop so they larp as DS2fags

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>>737835502
Wow, I can't believe I was playing it only 4 days after launch. I really was looking forward to it. Those were fun days. I miss my dual wield run.. And the hex run...

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>>737829173
DS3 marks when their levels became super fucking boring. DeS-BB is the golden age. ER makes DS3 obsolete by having MUCH better bosses and build variety.

>>737835353
In dark souls 3, NPC quests just wait for you to finish them. You can't fuck them up by advancing the game. There's only two quests that have "bad" ends, both of which require doing something obviously bad, and one of those bad ends doesn't make you lose anything. The only somewhat obtuse quest in the game is the Lothric ending quest, which is supposed to be very secret and arcane.

In Elden Ring, only two NPCs can die without you directly killing them. One of them involves letting a serial killer out of jail (DeS has a much more unforgiving version of this), and the other involves a character being possessed by a demon once you enter the third act. In neither case do you miss out on items.

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>>737835529
Pffft hahahaha, lmfao. Wow, you beat the dancer and your reward is another dead end. Bravo, bravo, very non linear indeed.

>>737835426
>Your precious SOFTS made the enemy spam far worse
No it didn't. That's how I know you didn't play at least one of them, because SOTFS made the enemy placement much more intelligent and less punishing. Unless you try to sprint through everything of course.

>>737835869
>DeS has a much more unforgiving version of this
the mages were making a move, he had to get it on

>>737835917
For you, it's a dead end. For me, it's the sole source of large titanite shards.

ER > DS3 > DS1 > DS2 > DeS > BB

ER - Best visuals. Best combat/weapons/etc. Its really not close.

DS3 - Too many humanoid bosses. Probably the ugliest game in the mix. Decent weapons/combat. Really fun.

DS1 - Great atmosphere and aesthetic. Glaringly unfinished. Really boring and slow combat. Literally found myself checking my phone during iron golem.

DS2 - Good as a sequel. Im sure /v/ would call this the best game ever made if it were all we had. But really doesn't do anything "the best"

DeS - Just not interesting. Lots of boring hallways. Bosses are forgettable and lame. I dont get it.

BB - No weapon variety. Lame fedora/vampire aesthetic. Too many "beast" bosses. Blood vials suck. Probably the easiest of them all. I just didn't like it.

>>737835529
>DS3 has a few different paths
It's pathetic compared to all the previous games
>while also being a game that is interconnected
Connected levels aren't impressive when the whole game is a fucking straight line, retard

>>737835869
You can fuck up the quests for Orbeck, Yuria, Seigward, and Greirat by waiting too long to trigger key moments.

>>737835936
>less punishing
>SOFTS
SOFTS having enemy spam isn't some niche opinion, it's literally one of the biggest criticisms people constantly have. And so we're also just gonna pretend Iron Keep doesn't exist, eh?

>>737836018
switch ER and DS3 with DS2 and DeS respectively and you will be correct, even without changing the descriptions

>>737831195
2 fans when a sequel acts like an actual sequel and continues the plot, setting, and characters from the previous games instead of being unrecognizable fanfiction

>>737835579
DeS is about as interesting as old school runescape. Sorry you got filtered and couldn't enjoy the more modern games.

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>>737835917
>dark souls 3 has optional paths that bring you to new areas and challenging/rewarding boss fights that have a decent challenge like the nameless king and a very hard version of the tutorial boss

>demon souls has....fucking nothing. No optional content cause its all fucking non-interconnected hallways to the main boss at the end, 2 of which are shitty PvP bosses
>all the demon souls bosses are piss easy and have zero fucking challenge in a short 12 hour game

demon soulsfags really will praise the worst one in the franchise to feel special or unique. Demon Souls is garbage for baby easy gamers

>>737829173
Every fight in this game whether it's pve or pvp has you rolling around at the speed of light 90% of the time. It looks so retarded

>>737836284
DS3 has dead ends, is what it has. I know it was your first souls game zoomie, and that's okay, but it's fucking ugly linear garbo because Miyazaki was too busy putting his all into Bloodborne to give a fuck about ds3, sorry buddy.

>>737829173

DS3 isn't "worse" than DS2 bit it is more boring. DS2, for all its many flaws, was a bold experiment that changed almost everything in the first game. DS3 just did the first game again with no poise system and a tiny little bit of Bloodborne sprinkled in. I don't get the impression that the people who made it really believed in their work.

>>737836273
there's no real plot nor setting nor characters in these games so it's a non-argument
>i-i want more of the same!
tell that to your father, maybe he'll let you suck his cock more often

>>737836284
>muh bosses
You see, DeS comes from a time before these games became glorified boss rushes. The bosses were easy, but they were a part of the level. That's why you didn't have an archstone right before the boss fog. You were supposed to pace yourself, learn to navigate the level with a degree of intelligence, and arrive at the boss in the best possible condition so you're fresh to fight and beat it. The level and boss formed part of a coherent experience, not entirely separate challenges like in later games.

That's how I know you're a larping secondary. You don't even understand how these games worked. You probably only "played" them on twitch, if even that.

>>737829173
What of I really like it but I still put it below DS2?

ER>BB>DS2>DS3>DS1>DeS>Sekiro

>>737836378
my first was DS1 and I played every souls game since DS1 on launch. Sorry to say that demon souls is slop just like 2

>>737836340
But it's fun? The games are made to be played not watched on twitch.

>>737835869
>In dark souls 3, NPC quests just wait for you to finish them. You can't fuck them up by advancing the game.
Lies, literally one of the first quests you encounter already has this. Yoel will die if you cross the imaginary line into the Catacombs, and if you haven't acquired the 5 levels from him, Yuria won't even spawn

Then you have the clusterfuck that is Sirris' quest, requiring you to backtrack to the bridge in Irithyll which you'd have no reason to do, or go back to the Cursewood arena with no indications. There's Siegward requiring you find him in the well in the Cathedral, but he only spawns there AFTER you cleared the whole level, and how the fuck would you know he's there if you already went up to the well earlier and saw there's nothing to interact with. And how about Patches hiding forever in the Firelink Shrine tower to ambush you even if you're already went there and explored all of it

>>737829273
See I think was more fun, but nothing memorable or moments of substance. Good time but inferior game to 2.

>>737836535
Slop souls 3 is the definition of lazily, hastily put together, unironically soulless garbage. There's no fucking way you played DS1 first lmfao, ESPECIALLY when you're bringing up bosses. The series was never about muh heckin ebin bosses. Not until 3 tried to be discount Bloodborne and failed miserably.
>>737836479
He's absolutely a clueless zoomoid who watched people play the games and his first was 3, 100%. I've seen it time and time again. Shitters like him ruined the series.

>>737836535
I dont think that word means what you think it means.

>>737829273
I've replayed DS3 the least out of any of them. It being so FUCKING linear saps all my will to continue when each run ends up being the exact fucking same shit.

>>737836598
>and how the fuck would you know he's there if you already went up to the well earlier and saw there's nothing to interact with
by hearing his screaming for help

>>737836805
...at a place you have absolutely no reason to return to, because it only triggers long after you run out of reasons to ever use that bonfire again.

>>737836018
Its been so long since I played it and I know everyone has a different style. Is BB really the easiest?
Id put it 3r3rd hardest.drr

DeS>AC6>Sekiro>Bloodborne>DS1>DS2>DS3>ER
nigger

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>>737836479
>You see, DeS comes from a time before-

Motherfucker, if you have to go WELL BACK IN MY DAY, you already sound like you lost. Besides, demon souls was from a gaming era where gaming was going down the shitter so stop acting like thats an old part of gaming zoomzoom. See, I knew demon soulsfags were zoomers pretending to be old to fit in, try playing an actual NES game and demon souls will look braindead in comparison

>The bosses were easy, but they were a part of the level. That's why you didn't have an archstone right before the boss fog. You were supposed to pace yourself, learn to navigate the level with a degree of intelligence, and arrive at the boss in the best possible condition so you're fresh to fight and beat it

demon souls levels believe it or not, are the exact same levels as other souls games. There is nothing challenging at all about the levels and some have shortcuts that bring you straight to an easy boss you can oneshot. The levels are for the most part as braindead as any other souls game and if anything, DS1 had some harder runbacks with a much more challenging boss and that game is considered easier than most souls games

Stop pretending Demon Souls is hard. Its a literal 12 hour game. Most souls games are more than double without DLC. Some NES or arcade games took me weeks to beat despite being 2 hour games

>>737836060
>Orbeck
Will leave if you ignore his demands for a scroll. You can find at least two in farron woods. He'll leave if you kill six (6) bosses, AFTER recruiting him, without giving him one (1) scroll.
>Yuria
Genuinely obtuse and obscure to unlock, but after that you can't fail her quest unless you fuck it up on purpose
>Seigward
The only thing you can mess up is getting his help during the yhorm fight. Even if you kill Yhorm before doing Seigward's quest, he'll simply thank you for doing his duty for him, and you can walk him through the rest of his quest
>Greirat
I'll give you this one, although with the caveat that the requirements aren't difficult to do (just advance Patches's quest OR Seigward's quest), that this only has to be done once, and that fucking it up only causes Greirat to die a little earlier than he otherwise would.

the fuck is there 1 mongoloid repeating these games were never about the bosses? this entire board talked about smough and ornstein so fucking much that they created /vg/

>>737836992
>Stop pretending Demon Souls is hard
No one did. It's better. This might be hard to believe for secondaries like you, but these games weren't always considered "good" because they're oh so very hard, but because they're just... good.

>>737836992
you're a souls tourist. You weren't there playing Demon Souls before the video essays and streamerbait and endless walkthroughs. It was an experience, an uncharted one, the atmosphere was bleak and unmatched.
Kill yourself.

>>737836992
>stop pretending Demon's Souls is hard
You retarded zoomoid faggot lmfao, where the hell is he saying it's hard? He's talking about how the series was before, how it was a dungeon crawler first and it was about the whole level overall, not some mediocre linear dogshit with terrible bosses shoved in your face all the damn time. Jesus christ, no wonder you got filtered by King's Field and love DS3, you unironically have trash taste. What a fucking secondary, lol!

>>737836082
SOTFS has less aggressive enemy chaining and often fewer enemies. What makes SOTFS harder is that it's more liberal in its use of more powerful enemies and tends to position them in more inconvenient ways.
>it's literally one of the biggest criticisms people constantly have.
Yeah, because you're repeating outright lies a youtuber said ten years ago.

>>737837218
>What makes SOTFS harder is that it's more liberal in its use of more powerful enemies
Yeah, so enemy spam, glad we agree. I played the games at launch, I don't need some faggot youtuber to form my opinions for me. You're just coping.

>>737836881
I think people only call it easy because you have 20 heals for every boss

>>737831195
anor londo lasts like 2 minutes in ds3 and it broke you this hard

>>737837386
it lasts 300 hours if you're striving for that platinum trophy

>>737837386
>Anor Londo is the only DS1 reference
Retard

>>737837156
It was literally people posting maps and guides etc on threads like this on /v/. Also there were already video guides and let's plays all over youtube in 2009. Youre a fucking moron. And it sounds like youve been a moron for at least 17 years.

>>737837306
That makes sence. Playing FE2 right now, its kicking my ass well everyone calls it easy. I forgot how impactgul farming is in everything. Been so long since Ive had to grind as a jarpig.

>>737836598
Sirris's quest gives you a hint with the white branch item
Siegward yells for help
>because it only triggers long after you run out of reasons to ever use that bonfire again.
That's the bonfire you use when going into the inner cathedral of the deep.
>And how about Patches hiding forever in the Firelink Shrine tower to ambush you even if you're already went there and explored all of it
This is a bit awkward, but also requires buying the tower key and exploring upper fire link before opening Rosaria's bedchamber, and opening Rosaria's bed chamber without encountering patches the first time, which most players wouldn't do. Also, it's very forgiving, as Patches will indeed wait there forever until you go to him.

By contrast, DS1 patches will turn permanently hostile if you answer a yes/no question wrong.

>>737829173
it's the best in the trilogy gameplay wise, but the absolute worst art direction from ever did

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>>737836530
Based rare ranking

>>737837296
>Yeah, so enemy spam,
No. Using more powerful enemies in lieu of weaker ones. SOTFS actually tends to use fewer enemy counts than vanilla.
>I played the games at launch
No you didn't, faggot.

>>737829173
I really appreciated DS3's enemy placement. It felt like you actually had to think and choose yor battles before you navigated around.

I can appreciate that 3 is the better game mechanically. But I'd still rather play through 2 again than 3

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>>737837912
Oh yeah totally you had to ''think''

>>737836018
sloptastic post

>>737829173
I never said I didn't like it. I DO like it. I have like 700 hours in it. I just think its one of the weaker games. Alongside DS2.

>>737837992
webm unrelated? my gameplay did not look like that at all.

>>737837947
i would probably actually play 2 again if it was ported to ds3's engine

the only thing these threads seem to conclude is that every single one of these games is shit

>>737836018
You suck dick faggot

>>737838140
if they were shit, nobody would talk about them 10 years after the fact
they're all good games and we've all got strong feelings about them
why does a lack of consensus from a bunch of different people make you uncomfortable

>>737838140
Actually, most of these games are at least solid, but the community is just the absolute fucking worst cesspool of low-IQ retards and secondaries. Becoming popular is unironically the worst thing that ever happened to Fromsoft.

>>737837884
>n-n-n-no you didn't!!!!
Iron Keep is still even worse, as are many other areas. SOFTS is trash for secondaries, secondary.

>>737836018
>glaringly unfinished
you fucking retard, it's one area. Anyone that says this is definitely a faggot who never played the game or listened to a youtube video and took that as truth.

>>737837947
I replayed the whole series + dlc in 2024. I found DS2 to be the hardest to enjoy. It just feels really ugly and shitty in a way I can't quite describe. DS3 feels more exciting/interesting to me.

>>737838140
It's actually that they're so much better than most other games that the fans have no choice but to try and diminish the reputation of certain games in the series just to have something to talk about

>>737838264
>Iron Keep is still even worse,
No it isn't, you're just shit at videogames and too lazy and stupid to improve.
>it's one area
The first half of anor londo sucks
Duke's archive is mediocre
Crystal cave is pretty but a total nothing burger
Demon Ruins sucks and is extremely tacky in its game design, it doesn't get a pass just because Lost Izalith is even worse
Darkroot Forest is just an empty field with random NPCs and 2 cats

>>737830840
>YOOOOOO REMEMBER ARTORIAS? WE GOT 100 OF HIM NOW
>YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REMEMBER ANOR LONDO? ITS JUST OVER HERE NOW HOW COOL IS THAT
>final boss is LITERALLY, in the literal sense of the word, "member dark souls 1 movesets?"

>>737838140
this is the truth i'm afraid

>>737838408
Probably cause you are a faggot casual

>>737838482
None of that means it's unfinished, retard. All those areas are fine. This whole narrative about the 2nd half is regurgitated shit from sloptubers.

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>>737838140
Its just shit posting and shit flinging. Same thing happens in any thread about a franchise with many games in it. Everyone has a favorite. Some people only like a couple entries and think the rest are trash. So on and so forth

1 > 3 > 2

>>737837556
He never played ds1 so he wouldn't know

DS2 is evil, ngl. It radiates evil energy.

>>737831195
there isnt anything actually wrong with this for a finale of a series btw.

>>737837556
nah it pretty much is unless youre whining about armor sets

>>737838254
>Becoming popular is unironically the worst thing that ever happened to Fromsoft.
Every one of these threads is a race to see who can be the most contrarian. Someone will always be there to advocate for the oldest/shittiest/most broken.

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>>737838505
>member dark souls 1 movesets?
You are right about the rest, but that one was based. I member, best finale from has done.

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ds2 shills will look you right in the eye and tell you ganks are good game designs

>>737838724
there isnt anything actually right with it either. make an argument.

>>737838584
>None of that means it's unfinished, retard.
Yeah I'm sure having 6 capra demons standing in a hallway all facing the same direction with synced idle animation is totally Fromsoft's polished vision of what the area was supposed to look like. Compared to the KINO that is the catacombs and TOTG and it's obvious what got extra time and what didn't.

>>737829173
DS3 hate threads picked up steam because DS2fags (the deranged, monstrous vermin that they are) had to deflect from their precious game's obvious problems so they tried to force the idea that DS3 was bad and even worse

>>737838798
That's not a gank. You intentionally aggro'd a bunch of enemies from the previous room and kited them into this hallway, then stopped in the hallway for no reason so they could catch up and kill you.

>>737838798
Dark Souls 2 is the closest videogames ever came to recreating the Guts vs. 100 soldiers moment-to-moment gameplay wise.

>>737838264
>one area
Which area? Oh the whole 2nd half of the game "area"? The whole 20 hrs of slog "area"? Tf you mean

>>737838850
The capra demons are in the area I mentioned IS unfinished.

>>737835305
Soul memory is a fucking vee meme that barely trulyeeffected anything
Ds2 og had the ebst pvp in the series by far and away
Kill yourself>shoots you with triple crossbow, slaps you with poison whip, kicks you off fire bridge
You WILL NEVER get to experience the kino

>>737838850
>catacombs and TOTG
are lumped with the "2nd half" areas too
people dislike everything post-vessel because the game becomes more difficult and unforgiving and that's it

>>737838531
Probably better than you lmao. Get fucked

>>737838584
>sloptubers
They were saying it in 2011. You're an idiot.

>>737829173
DS2 has better pacing, more build variety and more original areas, there's nothing like Dragon Aerie or Sanctum City in the other From games, DS3 feels unoriginal and uninspired, some areas really drag, it takes a while to even reach the first actual boss, it has all the worst cliches of the series like poison swamps or gimmick only fights.

DS3 is still better than the average game, but DS2 feels more authentic despite being a mess in some areas.

>>737839161
Yeah, and they were wrong then too, faggot.

>>737829173
That is true through. DS1 mogs both btw.

The major drawbacks of ds3 is it lives in tthe shadow of Ds1 and Bloodborne and turned obsolete by Elden Ring which is basically ds3 but better with more bosses and more builds, ds3 is kinda like a silent fart

>>737831195
>It rehashing literally every single thing from DS1
it doesn't rehash anything
It meaningfully expands and follows up to the story to the point we understood more of Dark Souls thanks to Dark souls 3
The only rehash is Dark Souls 2
>Not Gwyn
>Not Frampt/Kaathe
>Not link the fire/Not leave
>Not Lordran
>Not Abyss
>Not Flame of Chaos (DLC)

>>737839185
I always want to imagine DS3 if it was designed like Demon's Souls where you can choose the levels from the hub world instead of being linear but it's impossible because you need to do literally 3 levels before reaching Abyss Watchers but then you have bosses like Yhorm that only take like 1 1/2 levels to reach. It doesn't work. The game really is just a straight line with strange pacing and you can't fix that

>>737839319
>That is true through. First half snd only first half of DS1 mogs both btw.
ftfy

>Demon souls rehashes in ds3
the old monk invades you in farron
greirat's quest is a rehash of stockpile thomas
Yuria is a ripoff of Mephistopheles
Yhorm's boss fight gimmick is a ripoff of the stom king
Eygon and Irian are a ripoff of Maiden astrea and garl vinland
the mana bar
Firelink shrine is a ripoff of the Nexus hub
Siegward's quest is a rehash of Bior's quest
Leonhard is a rehashed Yurt and his quest with rosaria where he tries to kill you is pumped from Des
The fat evangelists are a ripoff of the fat officials in DeS
The prison of hope was rehashed in the irythyl dungeon with the enemies there aswell are references to the jailers in DeS
Mad king Oceiros is rehashed Allant
ds3's tutorial boss is a reference to Old king Doran
the gimmick dragon fight

>>737838991
Demon Ruins is not Lost Izalith.
But explain another one. How about Darkroot Forest being fucking empty except for rando NPCs and 2 cats. SOTE (rightfully) gets a lot of shit for the abyssal woods being almost completely empty besides the dedicated jumpscare enemies, but DS1 gets a pass for an area that's the same thing but with even more boring enemies and weaker atmosphere?
>>737839063
>are lumped with the "2nd half" areas too
By who? the person you were talking to at first said that the game was blatantly unfinished (it is) and when I gave a list of unfinished areas I didn't include those (because they fucking rule and are very fleshed out).

>>737839484
>That is true through. First half and only first half of DS1 mogs both btw.
ftfy

>>737839063
The entire game after O&S is easy. What do you mean? If anyone is struggling they can just farm painted world for 5m.
There is no question that the "2nd half" of the game feels off and unpolished. Its the simplicity of the levels. It's the lack of enemy variety. It's the way the areas all dead end without connecting. You are just wrong.

>>737839667
show me a .webm of you defeating the hellspawn bulls gank

>>737839667
All normies get utterly filtered by Tomb of the Giants

>>737839667
>There is no question that the "2nd half" of the game feels off and unpolished.
Don't but in for me and then say things that are wrong. A lot of the later parts of DS1 suck ass but certainly not all of it. New Londo, Catacombs, and TOTG are fantastic.

Pretty sure ds3 rehashes some of the ds2 giiants with the hole in their face

>muh 2nd half is unfinished
I never understood this, only Lost Izalith is barely finished, all the other parts are great

>>737839913
see
>>737838482

PATH TRACED DS2SOTFS -- PLAY IT NOW!

also: ds1 > ds2 > des >> bb > de3 >>> er

>>737839754
That's the entire point. The areas are all unfinished. Some are closer than others. Which I guess is why you enjoy them. But it's obvious to me nothing after anor londo (and including parts of anor londo) is in a finished state.

>>737829173
rollslop

>>737839737
Ds1 is an easy game. I cleared out the entirety of totg multiple times collecting the haphazardly placed items. Im sure blacking the entire area out wasn't an attempt to hide how small and simple it looked.

ds2 is literal shovelware, just look at how it looks, like games released 10 years before ds1, clearly made by some bteam and interns, 3 is the real sequel and the best game in the series

>>737840389
you get blacked to hide how small and simple you are.

>>737840486
from bb onward the series became fast food.

fast, formulaic, simple, cancerous.

>>737840191
Right, but DS1 is not unique in being unfinished. All of them are. It started with Demon's Souls missing a whole level. DS2 is a whole game where most levels feel like the unfinished dead-end DS1 levels. DS3 has Profaned Capital and Archdragon Peak, plus half of Anor Londo which they clearly threw in there in to cut corners. Bloodborne only has 2 mandatory levels after the halfway point of Rom. Elden Ring is full of junk areas with copy paste bosses and the game was released with the sidequests not even being complete.

>>737839063
catacombs are a great level

>>737838815
its pretentious to care about references to old games. especially when the story has to do with repeated cycles. I havent heard an actual argument why it is suppose to be bad other than some meme words.

thread full of queefs arguing about which beer is better.

>>737840817
Sure but I don't feel a stark/sudden change in those games like I do in DS1. It feels like two different games to me. From the minute you clear Sen's fortress, the everything begins to degrade. That seems like something worth acknowledging and talking about.

I played DS1 before any of the losers in this thread. Back when I played the Taurus demon only dropped 1,000 souls. Try over leveling with that. You kids have no idea how easy it is now.

>>737841492
sit infant: i beat zelda on the nes without a guide.

If you played DeS before ds1, you'd realise how much of a piece of shit ripoff ds1 is

>>737842305
this. Anyone that wasn't around and playing DeS when it first released has no worthwhile opinion on Souls games.

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>>737829256
>DS1
>DS2
>Shieldslop
>NOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT