This is why physical > digital.
Always was. Ownership feels good.
That's why I'm glad I own my steam library
Seeing people freak out and nintendo fags going insane saying "SEE SEE THIS IS WORSE THAN GAME KEY CARDS" as if physical literally isn't the only way that matters.Never digital. Always physical. Key cards are the worst of both worlds.
>>737842882When you die, your Steam library dies with you (no resale value)
That's why owning your system matters With consoles you need to violate the agreement and not update a console for years to get as many rights as you have on PC day one
You...want the liberty to be able to trade your shit game at a GameStop for gacha credit?
>>737842996Oh no! Anyway
As long as the game printed on the disk is full and not a bugged version that requires a day 1 patch.
>>737842882You can't own steam games. Or basically any PC game, unless you live in the EU and use GoG. Sorry bud.
>>737842787But physical is digital.
>>737842964Not really because the worst part of digital is owning nothing.
>>737842787is this gamestop making fun of Sony right now?
>>737843053Which is not generally happening in this day and age. Alot of games have day 1 patches now.
>>737843342Not really, it's a minority of games that do. You must not play very many games.
>>737843073or console gamesyou're sold a license that they have a right to revoke just like anywhere else
A "digital" game on my writable hard drive is more physical than your game on a unwritable disc.
>>737843525Only for digital console games.
For me, it's pirating and buying figures if I want to support the devs.
>>737843536My physical is more valuable than your unlicensed file rip, and I own it legally.
>>737843650the terms don't distinguish between thoseyou're not allowed to tamper with your physical console so basic logic dictates you're not in control of physical games either
>>737843714>considering the monetary value of gamespoor
>>737842787piracy is always the answer
>>737843768I'm not afraid of EULAs and corpos like you are so I don't carry the same parinoia of losing my library. There is nobody that will come to your door and take your physical copy of Banjo because you tampered with it.
>>737843991Nothing wrong with considering money.
>>737844075then what's the point of caring about ownership at all?there is no better way of holding onto games than having an archival hard drive with all the game files and emulators for console games
>>737842843Pc is still infinitely better
>open box>there's a download code inside
>>737844168if you're considering money you would just pirate
>>737844175>there is no better way of holding onto gamesI'm not losing my games. You're not losing your games. Who the fuck gave you such bad PTSD over this? Nobody is losing their games.
I was shocked at the amount of people defending this shit in social media.
>>737843434Are you being deliberately contradictory for the sake of a possible argument?
>>737844183Sure if you use GoG and live in the EU
>>737844249You can't own pirated games
>>737844295then what's the point of buying console games to begin with? you acquiesced that no one is taking steam games and backups away
>>737843073>you can't own steam gamesWhy are consoletroons so tech illiterate?Google Goldberg emulator, only PC games are truly preserved, immune to disc rot.
>>737844423who the hell told you that
they deberunked it
Too late I've completely abandoned SONY after their latest DRM terrorism
>>737844563Are you retarded?
>>737844423if you're buying games to sell them then ownership never mattered to you to begin withthey're entertainment, not an investment, consoles are worse at entertainment
>>737842787GameSlop is panicking because 83% of SIEs revenue is from digital purchases.
>>737844465Because consoles are better for gaming than PCs.
>>737844648no? you download it and it's yours no one can take it from you?
>>737844523I'm not concerned with losing my games. Thanks tho.
>>737843073I own every game ive cracked. Plus a steam emulator exist
>>737844707>no mods>no customisation>locked down to specific hardware>no settings optionsthey're objectively not, every console game ages worse, like bloodborne that is played better emulated than on the ps5 since it's still locked down to last gen limitations
>>737844709So what? Are you afraid of losing things or something?
>>737844707at least post the AVGN pic
>>737844650I disagree.>>737844838You can't own unlicensed media. It's not your legal property.
>>737844853is this not what owning something means
>>737844849>>no mods>>no customisation>>locked down to specific hardware>>no settings optionsSo nothing that actually matters to playing a video game. Just tinkering, which I never do on the PC I already own.
>>737842964Lmao it's just video games why don't you put the controller down and touch grass
>>737844934No? Do you own a car vs lease because you're afraid of losing it? Do you own a home vs rent because you're afraid of losing it?
>>737844971yes, that tinkering results in better games with more bespoke experiences and replayability
>>737844707not for multiplayer online
>>737844917>i disagree with basic logicyou either care about the money and pirate or you don't and hold onto your game without worrying about it
>>737842996Transfer account to loved ones
>>737844971>which I never do on the PC I already ownyou're a "This PC" user instead of a "My Computer" one
>>737845047those aren't comparable? what the fuck are you even talking about. I pirate the game, put it on anything I want and copy it as much as I want.
>>737845067So you hate all your games and need to change them? Then why did you pay for games you hate?
>>737844849You can do all that shit if you hack it.
>>737845082*especially for multiplayer online Unless you're a hacker and think cheating in games is fun
>>737845289you can play on non-dogshit hardware?
>>737845261i have the option to get more out of my gamesyou don't on a console>>737845289>waiting several fucking years for a jailbreak to do something pc has day one
>>737845154You can easily enjoy a game and care about it's value. These aren't mutually exclusive things.
>>737842787Too bad if you have the PS5 Slim or the PS5 Pro with a disc tray, it runs internet DRM on the discs before you can play.Normal PS5 doesn't do this, though
>>737845251Alright have fun copying files I guess
>>737842787That's right. Come to GameStop! They have all the physical games you want!
>>737845390Then I would stick with PC if that's how you feel.
>>737845393if you're enjoying a game you're not selling it therefore the monetary value is irrelevant
>>737845435I mean owning software, data, whatever is owning backups. If you can't backup your data you don't own it
>>737845508I disagree.>>737845520That's a false if/then statement. You can own media even if it's difficult or impossible to backup.
>>737845485we're not here to talk feelingsthe fact is that consoles are worse for playing games and it doesn't matter that you found excuses to dismiss the perks
>>737842787>get "physical game">internet connection required sticker>needs day-one patch to work properly>DLC contains half the story>dripfeed of content to keep you coming back to the game>FOMO and microtransactionssure feels good to be a "physical"chad in current year!
>>737845606Sorry you feel that way. I think consoles are better in many ways.
>>737845580>You can own media even if it's difficult or impossible to backup.No? If it's one of a kind maybe but if it's been digitized then the person who can back it up has more right to their data then the one who can't
>>737845613My physical games work just fine with no downloads. Maybe be better at buying games?
>>73784561395% of games are playable from the disc only, no internet required.
>>737845685What does data access have to do with ownership of media?
>>737844175the original point stated you don't own your steam library, and you don't. There's a big difference between tampering with your digital files than with your disc files. A disc holds a copy that was handed physically to be stored. The digital data is still linked to your account. A corporation can't do anything about me tampering with my personal disc because they don't have a direct link to it. I can tamper with it offline and they'll never even know what I did. Unlike all your steam files that are all linked to your account. Tampering with it, will instantly send an alert to Steam to ban you or do something about it. Example given, installing unauthorized mods.
>>737845648>Sorry you feel that wayyou're the one that relies on feelings>I think consoles are better in many ways.such as
>>737845756>don't play those ones!
>>737845804imagine if you bought a house but you're told you can't open the door or redecorate it. that's not your house. data ownership is kinda the same
>>737845841>I can tamper with it offline and they'll never even know what I did.go put Master Chief into God of War and see what the console thinks
>>737845685>has more rightso it's a competition now?
>>737845964well if someone asked me if I could back up my game or if I couldn't I'd probably chose option A
>>737845841you're really trying to argue this on practical grounds?the overwhelming majority of games on steam can be cracked within 30 seconds of you having downloaded them and no one is going to know you did it nor can they do anything about itwith consoles it takes forever for dumps and jailbreaks and whatever else to equate what you have on pc day one>Tampering with it, will instantly send an alert to Steam to ban you or do something about it. you do know how light steam security is right? you replace one small file that acts as a plug for steam features and you have an offline game
>>737845894Ok but I own TMNT NES and I've never modded it nor do I have access to the data, nor am I allowed to. In conclusion, you're wrong.
>>73784575695% of all games ever made? Maybe. Of modern games? Maybe not so much.
>>737845756>>737845738>Y-YOU SEE, IT'S PLAYABLE BECAUSE IT BOOTSI want the entire game you fucking retard. bells, whistles, sidequests, bonus levels, maps, and allonly retards like (You) would accept incomplete games
>>737846126Then for those select titles wait exactly one gen and buy the next gen port which has all the DLC included.
>>737846078>I own>don't have access to that datayou have a license but you don't own the data
>>737845014Its just your hole, what does it matter if I rape it?
This is already turning out to be the nothingburger it was always destined to be now that people figured out how it actually works, but physical won't be safe for long if Nintendo gets to set any more trends
>>737846258>>737846280
>>737846038>wow you see goy you can just drag and drop this steam_api.dll file and the game runs!until gayben croaks and they clamp the fuck down on itenjoy getting banned and having your money stolen in the future when they turn PCs into consoles
>>737846258When a game launches it is complete. You don't need the fucking battlepass slop dripfed with MTX shoved in your face to 'get the full experience'.
>>737845323Kek this nigger thinks there's no hackers on console. I dont know why people get in these arguments. You dumb fucks will come up with any retarded reason to ignore the fact that you are too tech illiterate to use a pc even though Indians seem to get on them just fine.
>>737846327They shut down their eshops like days after they stop selling the system and the new shit comes out. Meanwhile you can still buy PSP games on PSN. I love Sony I hope they keep making money off that shit so it stays up
>>737846293I own the license, and the game. I don't own the data because I'm not Konami.
>>737845156This.I'm leaving my Steam Library to my son.
>>737842996guys i need to resell my games i got for 2 dollars in a steam salemodern game collecting for resale value is basically pissing money, they made way too many copies of these games so theres no scarcity. if you dont believe me try to resell your xbox 360 or ps3 game collection
>>737846456pirated copies(or drmfree copies) own the data you just own the license
>>737846410Feel free to leave this discussion at any time if my presence is too much for you. I won't consider it a concession.
>>737846359>worst possible interpretation of the futuremeanwhile consoles are actively trying to kill off physical
>>737846489i do actually have a lot of banned games on steam i should probably give someone the password to it if i die and steam still exists by theni was on those card farm sites that gave you free games and a few of those publishers got banned from steam, but you can still download and play their games even though theyre delisted
>>737846525No. You have no legal ownership over anything when you pirate. The game file is unlicensed and you're not magically the new owner of the IP.
it's gaming time
>>737846508>get curious about what anon is suggestimplying here>look up some of my 360 games>they're worth 8x more than what I paidnice!
>>737846280Not every game gets a rerelease/directors cut/GOTY edition, etc and even then sometimes those versions themselves are updated with patches. It's just the nature of modern gaming.
AlWaYs Physiological ahjuk wahahahhuuuuui
>>737846595wow damn I guess that stops me from playing it, modifying it, backing it up etc and having total read and write access to it.
>>737842787yo dawg I heard you were renting PS5s, so now you can rent games within your rental for rentception
>>737846636seems like a great price to me
>>737842787>bros, please, just let us buy your games for pennies and resell them for dollars
I'll just pirate the ones I want
>>737846636gotta go by sold listings and condition, if you have complete set with manual etccollectors r nuts they create a speculator market on literally everything
>>737846637I don't believe you. Sorry.
>>737846697No it doesn't. You can do all of that without owning it.
>>737845408retard
>>737842787What's the expected life span of DVDs?Sure the PS2 games have longevityBut the 360 era games? Hell the GOTY versions of games are printed on the cheapest discs possibleI just back up virtual copies on an HDD
>power goes out at my place earlier today>reboot my PS4>check PSN to test online>THE TERMS OF SERVICE HAVE BEEN UPDATED, PLEASE CLICK ACCEPT TO-Oh Sony. Kindly go fuck yourself.
>>737842787>gamestop using ps5 to advert this>the system that got price jacked 3 times>has a digital only model>most if not all games are just code in a box/download from disc anyhowk. sure.
>>737845408WrongIt just updates the firmware to avoid blu ray copies, after that it works offline
>>737846636Sealed is a different animal than usedCIB isn't even worth that much
>>737842843You don't own your physical copies. Playstation can force you to reauthorize the disk every 30 days.
>>737847076>>most if not all games are just code in a box/download from disc anyhowBasically zero games do this.
>>737847174You're talking about that recent online check thing? Only for digital, not physical.
>>737842787Technically, someone found out that when you first get a game digitally, Sony wants to keep you from abusing the refund system, so if you're offline for 30 days, you can't play the game after 30 days if you're offline and would need to log in again. After the 30-day period, you can play the game offline indefinitely. Sounds like a false alarm. I guess the PS6 handheld is back on the menu for me.
>>737847826I feel like this is a dumb system. Just do it like this>Buy game>If they go offline, record how long they play within the system>when they go online compare the playtime in the system and deny the refund
>>737848025Yeah, it's buggy right now, I think an update broke it, it's supposed to flip to a permanent license but it at times refreshes the 30-day license. My guess is Sony is going to fix this. It's nothing like the shit Microsoft or those PC storefronts except Valve/Steam does, which have actual limits because those companies are actual greedy fucks.
>>737847826>>737848025this has already been confirmed to be the case, except it's 15 days (outside the refund window)
>>737848209Oh, okay, I was worried at first, glad Sony isn't Microsoft stupid.
>>737842787This company is still around? Kind of insane they can stay in business just selling Funko Pops.
>>737842787What's with this now?>check if there's even a jailbreak for ps5 pro yet>it had one but is 2 years old and can't run games newer than it>also find out about the 30 day online check which I assume this thread is aboutKEKWhy the fuck is Sony adapting Denuvo practices when no one can even pirate their fucking games?
>>737844523This troon keeps implying that a game can only be good if you can sell it on a piece of plastic at gamestop. He might have a bit of the mental illness.
>>737848450no. the 30 day window is a nothingburger but people don't read past headlines
>>737846398>When a game launches it is completetry again
>>737848517What is it then? I don't really care much since I stopped buying consoles after the PS3
>>737848605>buy game>go offline>"sony refund pls">infinite money glitchSony wants to see the console online within the first 2-4 weeks of purchase, after the refund window has closed.
>>737844523Will they be preserved after the heat death of the universe? No? Stfu then
>>737844917>You can't own unlicensed media. It's not your legal property.And yet he has it with him and can access it whenever he pleases, run it on any machine he so chooses and mod and alter it any way he pleases.That's what ownership is. Doesn't matter how hard you cry about 'licenses'.
the tendie physical sperg has been losing hard recentlylove to see it, he has no counters
>>737843125It goesDigital > Key Card > Physical (with forced updates) > Physical with entire game on CartFrom worst to best for ownership.
>>737848450Offline refund abuse, after the 14-day window, it's supposed to switch to a permanent offline license, but some are experiencing a bug in the system. This isn't like Microsoft's shit with the Xbox Series S or even worse Xbox PC's 30-day DRM which never gives you a permanent offline license. People who seriously shill the Xbox here needs a fist in their face. Xbox 360 was the last real console Microsoft made, they're the worse gaming company bar none. Glad those other shitty companies like EA, Ubisoft, and Epic don't make gaming hardware.
>>737844917>muh legalitySpook spotted.
>>737848806Sorry, I disagree. The reason I disagree is because you're factually wrong.
>>737848896digital on pc is better than all of them because you can see the files instead of them being voodoo shit only the console's black box operating system can interact with
>>737844707If you are a tech illiterate troglodyte, yes.
>>737844917>he thinks intellectual works can have an ownerpoint at him and laugh
>>737842787A lot of physical shit (old cartridges) is difficult to copy and may have built-in DRM. DRM-free files stored and backed up on hard drives you control should be the goal, not "physical".
>>737846410Cheating on console is nowhere as common as it is on PC. It's the only thing consoles have over computers.
>>737848450It’s a shit test for when they start demanding age verification. You know it’s coming before the end of the year.
>>737848896Yeah, that sounds about right
>>737849110everyone cheats with aim assist
>>737842843>these toys are mine! >MINE!
>>737849118Ubisoft sent me an email last week telling me that they're now assigning states to accounts via their IPs and enforcing laws based on the state you're in.I don't live in Texas or Utah, but I think if I did, my entire library would become inaccessible because they're all rated M and I've never bought a game directly on uPlay, so they don't have my credit card like Steam does.I hate the dystopian future lazy millennial parents have created.
>>737849048I think that because it is a fact.
>>737843714Lmao nigga thinks he owns something of value. I hope your become a ghost when you die so you can see all of your worthless shit shoveled into the garbage
>>737844168If you have to consider the price of your hobby then it's not really for you
>>737849142Every platform that uses controllers (yes, this includes computers) has aim assist.
>>737849286I disagree.
>>737849343and they shouldn'tcontrollers take away from natural skill just like cheats, kbm should be standard regardless of the platform instead of bruteforcing inferior input methods into genres where it doesn't belong
>>737849234>thinking of that onr nintendo fan who gloats about having pizza tower and hollow knight physically>never actually played them>keeps them in the wrapper to resell them 20 years down the lineThese are the kinds of people we are dealing with.
but hey! gamekey card are le bad!
>>737849498You just said controllers were cheating so clearly you think they have an advantage over keyboard and mouse.
Shelf niggas touching they dick like"Ooahhhh in 20 years there is a slim possibility that I can play a shitty unpatched version of this game where others cant play at all ooaah fffsshhh"Gay bro
>>737849602Nothing wrong with owning games.
>>737849765and that advantage doesn't come from the controller itselfif it was just raw input of the controller then all the games would be a funny clown show where no one can hit anyone
>>737849846Which is why owning digital games is better. You're only renting physical games.
GME 2: Electric Boogaloo when
>>737849897You can't own digital games unless it's on GoG and you reside in the EU. >You're only renting physical games.*digital games
$1000 digital only and limited game use months before GTA6! OHNONONONO!
>>737849798Often unpatched games are the best version. Unpatched Fire Emblem Engage is objectively the best way to experience the game. Unpatched Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree is the only way to actually get the challenge the game was designed with. There are very few games where patches are anything but a hindrance or outright negative.
>>737849874Sounds like you're only calling it cheating because you can't accept the criticism that PC is a hive of hacker scum which console users don't have to deal with at the rate PC users do. How long have you been disingenuously using that deflection? 10 years?
>>737842787I kinda miss game.The only dedicated vidya stores in the yookay are now just cex (no new stuff only preowned)And game wasnt even good, but it was so much better than now.
>>737850010Raising the price before GTA VI when they know every casual is going to want to play on PS5 is 100% on purpose.
>>737850010You get a permanent license after the 14-day refund period.
>>737850096i'm calling it cheating because the game is not using your real inputs, just like cheating on pc but more subtle
>>737849942Strange, i bought hollow knight on steam, and once i downloaded it, it can be played without ever needing steam running. It also never needa to be verified..i can also put it on a usb and sell it to my friend.Seems like ownership to me.
>>737843342>Have a day 1 patchIs very different from>Unplayable without the day 1 patch.Anyway arent most review copies pre launch so if some corpofag reviewer can play the game so can you, any game thats had a pre release review should be 100% playable without patches.
>>737843536If you pirated yes If you purchased it no>>737843714If he pirated it he actually does own it more than you.Sorry but piracy is true ownership.
>>737843714>valuableamong similar minds, which is not saying muchget it graded and wrapped. it'll last longer.
uhhh sonysisters how do we recover from this one?
>>737850156It's not cheating at all, and PC has controller aim assist. If you feel it's an advantage over keyboard and mouse then use it. You won't, because it's not cheating, and it's not an advantage. In competitive shooter games controllers are clearly inferior to keyboard and mouse even with aim assist. I think you need to get better at handling criticism towards PC so you aren't forced to deflect with angry nonsensical rhetoric.
>>737850162Well you would be wrong because that's not ownership. You can't own Steam games.
>>737849009>Digital>GoodNope.
>>737842787only actual retards still believes that physical is better.
>>737842787For me itsDigital but stored on a couple of hard drives>>>>digital>physicalThis is how it is. I used to be a big physical disc fag during the ps2-ps4 era, but I ended up with so many discs, I didnt know where to store them. So I hacked my consoles, sold my games and then downloaded their isos and stored them into two external hard drives. My gaming experience didnt change, but I made some of my money back and most importantly, I have space in my house. We might be living in soulless times, but downloading stuff and storing them locally en masse, is easier than ever.
>>737850339You can't own pirated media so no.
>>737850443no, it's still cheating, even on pc as it doesn't reflect the inputstop trying to move the goalposts
>>737850546Yeah you canOwnership is a pre civilisational concept :)
>>737850553Handling criticism is too much to ask for you. Im aware of that now.
>>737850604I don't believe you :)
>>737850615what criticism? you just disagree because your definition on cheating isn't based on morality but legality
>>737850665>>737849110
>>737850496It fits all the definitions of ownership that you put forth.
>>737850126I doubt that GTA6 will be a massive system mover 6 years into this system's lifespan when this system is $600-50 at a minimum. Maybe if they do bundle over the next holiday season but in this economy and for that price that's just too much for most people.The DRM might be for GTA6 though if the rumors are true that they won't do a physical release at first.
>>737850734I didn't invent or put forth any parameters. Ownership is already defined. What are you talking about?
>>737850730>it's not cheating because it's legal and everyone does itah yes, crime is lower because we redefined crime as non crime
>>737850515yes, digital on pc is good because you have more control over it than anything on consolephysical on console is necessary because you're stuck in a toybox with no control at all and physical is the only means of exerting any
>>737850437wait 30 days after purchase when it stops mattering?
>>737850797It's factually not cheating so there isn't anything to debate, sorry.
>>737850987ah yes, crime is lower because we redefined crime as non crime
>>737850786What is the official ownership of definition?
>>737851065white, owns a field of crop
>>737851065*definition of ownership
>>737851065Probably figure this out before getting into a debate about ownership.
>>737842996"Hey bro if I die here is my password."
>>737842787What's with the influx of bots saying "herm, you never actually owned your video games" lately? I don't see people saying I don't own my toaster, oven, blender, or any other object that I buy unless if it's video games, and it has to be Jewish bots spreading this misinfo.
Or just dont be poor? Works for me and my 200+ digital PS5 games.
>>737850096>>737850443>>737850615>>737849110my brothers in christyou would literally walk off of a cliff to your own deaths if an authority figure demanded itwhy do you accept the game playing itself for you as a glorified rail shooter to press R1
>>737851268>brothersit's all just one guy
>>737851253Feel free to read the thread. I can't read for you.
>>737851157I just looked it up. Looks like i own my digital games.
>>737851420I read it, and it's blatant false information spread by corporate bots to make people accept this DRM garbage. If you can play your games offline without limits, you own your game.
>>737851265>kills your fiber connectionSeriously, that can take a few days to replace and that's if you can rush the supplies and labor. If your ISP sucks (which most do) you'll have no network connection for at least a week. Some could very well take a month to get around to fixing it.
>>737851253>I don't see people saying I don't own my toaster, oven, blender, or any other object that I buyyou're allowed to take them apart and rearrange however you wantconsoles will ban you if you try to manipulate the game files or console hardware
>>737851615Why would I want to do that? I buy stuff for the way it's intended.
>>737851268Actually you would seeing as you walked into a non ownership agreement at the demand of an authority figure.>why do you accept the game playing itself for you as a glorified rail shooter to press R1I don't play any competitive shooters. You'll have to ask PC vegans who use a controller.
>>737851690because you have the right to?you don't have the right to do that on consoles, they enforce their drm that takes your rights awayso you don't own them the same way you would a toaster, oven or a blender
>>737851516On steam? You can't own steam games.
>>737851690Why would i want to sell something i bought?
>>737851778Okay, let's argue at that angle then. The bots who say you never ever owned your games are still being disingenuous because you could do that with video game systems that don't need an internet connection to function. Nobody is going to ban me on my N64.
>>737851519>If you can play your games offline without limits, you own your game.False.
>>737842787its really more like "investing in a proprietary locked down ecosystem that proves time and time again they just want to fuck u in the ass"
>>737851253>What's with the influx of bots saying "herm, you never actually owned your video games" lately?Dumb PC vegans yapping and acting superior as always
>>737851789Who's gonna stop you? Charles Conroy?
>>737851870because the internet wasn't as essential back thenjust because they didn't have means to enforce it doesn't mean they allow it
>>737851932Not enforcing it is the same as allowing it.
>>737851879True. It's gonna still be there 30 years from now because I own it.
>>737851789Nobody is telling you to sell anything.
>>737851932True. Licenses have always been a proprietary scam/racket to force people to give money for no actual real value of a tangible product.Law in general is this. A giant scam to ring money out of people.Death to lawyers.
>>737851972it's not not enforcing it, it's not having means toif a murderer kills someone and buries the body where no one finds it then it doesn't mean it was legal
>>737851779I disagree.
>>737852069>Erm, you don't own the game you own because the guy who made it really really doesn't want you to keep itI missed the part where that's my problem
>>737851726>Actually you would seeing as you walked into a non ownership agreement at the demand of an authority figure.um actually you could download a torrent stupid fuck????maybe talk a little less out of your ass considering console wars are fucking over and snoys and xball and gun gamers KID themselves with the idea they could produce another worthy exclusiveheres a fucking upvote
>>737852016False. It will be there in 30 years because it is an intangible digital file. And it will remain there indefinitely because you cannot sell or trade it away, because you don't own anything.
>>737852127It wasn't an opinion.
>>737842787I thought they were busy peddling weed last week.
>>737852287Sounded like one, especially since it isnt true for me.
>>737852203See, look how mad you're getting because you can't handle criticism towards PCs.
>>737852218>Put game on USB stick>Sell it to a friendCome again?
>>737852186yes, the theoretical and the practical impact varies wildlyin practice no one's taking your back up hard drives away still, all the talk about ownership is pure legalese where consolecucks glorify their licenses thinking they're better than other licenses while not having means to turn them into more than licenses via actual backups
>>737852314It's true for you actually. You can't own steam games. Hit up gabe on xitter if you don't believe me.
>>737846295It's a necrotized neovagina so you probably don't want to
>>737852332What part contended anything I said?
>>737852340>saying you don't own anything>calls others cucksLmao, the irony. Nobody is going to be coming through my door to say "Oh Anon, you know that N64 game your parents bought you for Christmas? We tracked the payment information from Target's POS and we really need to return it to Nintendo". It's like saying I don't own my blender if the person who made it really really hates the idea of me keeping it. It's a load of bull and you know it.
>>737852484I don't expect someone who doesn't understand the concept of ownership to understand.
It's shit, it's a terrible idea and it was bad when xbox tried it, it's bad when steam does it, and it's bad when sony does it.BUT, I think they picked probably one of the better times to make the push for it, I cannot think of a single person that has internet so bad they can't do a check-in once every 30 days. Even rural bumfucking NOWHERE.Moreso, if you're BUYING the game digitally, clearly you already have internet. It's a weird complaint, they're not blocking physical games like xbox was trying to, and any purchases made already won't matter so this shit shouldn't really impact anyone until ps6 comes out besides for a scant very few titles.I just fail to see why the uproar. It's shit, but so shit it needs 15 threads? Nahhhhh.
>>737852376Gabe is a good friend of mine, actually..he says that its okay for me to make copies and even give them to friends. Thats why he made steam drm so weak.
>>737852490i'm not disagreeing, ownership of games is a complete fucking voodoo term and anyone that's trying to claim it is using legalese instead of the practical impact of it while ignoring the limitations of their license, telling them they don't own it is just bringing them down back to earthsee the consolecuck in this thread having a shitfit over it
>>737852590>I cannot think of a single person that has internet so bad they can't do a check-in once every 30 days. Even rural bumfucking NOWHERE.You're retarded and going to have a rude awakening when they eventually discontinue the PSN service on your PS5.
>>737852545Glad to be done speaking with you.
>playing version 1.0 of a game
>>737852596Now ask him to let you own the games you purchased from him.
>>737852646Isnt this already a problem with psp and vita games? Unless i jailbreak the consoles, they constantly say that the license verification fails.
>>737852590Nobody but Microsoft does it though, you get offline permanent licenses from Nintendo, Valve, and Sony. Sony may make you wait 30 days, but they give you a permanent one. Microsoft doesn't give you one at all because they're bastards with a stick up their ass.
>>737852756Already did. He gave me the thumbs up. Even told me how to break steam drm.
>>737852769Didn't realize that was a thing on there because I only ever used a PSP to play KH BBS. Why weren't people having a shitfest over this?
>>737852802I'm not interested in DRM removal, I'm interested in ownership, which Stram doesn't provide.
>>737852796Oh, that's where this discourse coming from. It's Xbots assuming it's like this universally.
>>737852756feel free to print your own plastic boxes and covers
>>737845156>>737846489literally against TOS and they will ban you if they find out (they will)
>>737850664Its okay anon, I dont really mind if you're wrong.Im just stating facts.
>>737850889I've read some weirdass PCmutt cope but this is among the weirdest.
>>737849164>toysthis is the digital toy board, anon, if that's stupid then so are you and yes, i like when i own the things i purchase
Who doesn’t have their ps5 plugged into the internet all the time? This is a non issue.
>HAHAHAHA >I will give my steam games to me childr-->oh......
>>737853130>10 years later when the PSN service shuts down for the console...
>>737853139grok is this true
>>737853048How will they find out?Unless constant age verification (Identity verification) becomes mandatory for steam, they would have no way of ever knowing.And if the age verification shit does come around then well I wont use steam anymore, id just pirate and gift the games to my kid
>>737853042What would that accomplish?
>>737842787Too fat to get up and change discs I prefer digital
>>737853082claiming you own games anywhere is indeed cope and should be mocked
>>737842787Do you really believe the physical copy doesn't have DRM?
>>737853139And who's going to stop me? Steam isn't going to know if I die and have the username and password written down on a piece of paper for someone else.
>>737853063I still don't believe you
>>737853181your desire to own plastic boxes?what else did you want? you were told to pirate if you start with the idea of wanting to monetize the game so this satisfies your desire to have something to look at
>>737853194claiming you don't own games anywhere is indeed cope and should be mocked
>>737853139>What happens after you die>Your account becomes inaccessible and is locked/closedfucking yikes. Hadn't thought of that.also my kids will have their own accounts with friends etc.even if they could login to mine, it would be a huge inconvenience,also them seeing my private chat logs etc
>buy disc>Errm... actchually... you still need internet..
>>737853194No, it's simply a fact about certain games and gaming platforms. Almost none of which are on PC. And becaaue you can't handle this criticism towards PC or Steam you become irate. I would learn to handle criticism better.
>>737853130Its not about not having internet.Amazon already setup a dystopia to fix that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F-JsLukpyEFor some people they simply dont want to be online all the time.I like to play on an offline local account quite often.
>>737853254that's equally trueand yet both of our statements diminish the value of consoles as they're the only ones that stand to gain here
It’s not a issue at all , you will get back the access to the games after you log in again , so what is the problem?
>start a real collection you can play*bug fix patches require working servers which will be discontinued 5 years after the gen ends
>>737853139sup.
>>737853252I don't have a desire to own plastic boxes.
>>737853242Again thats fine.Im perfectly content with you staying wrong.
>>737853310>a factit's simply a fact that in order to declare ownership you need to cut down the definition of ownership to the point where it means so little that you're allowing a corporation to have influence over your hardware and software
>>737853362I would change my stance, but I need to see proof of your claim first.
>>737853330You're retarded and going to have a rude awakening when they eventually discontinue the PSN service on your PS5.
>>737853465>yeah but the PSN will shutdown one day! in like 20 or 30 years, maybe! then you will be sorry!You are an idiot. Also, Xbox does the same thing and nobody says anything.
None issue. Step in the right direction. Sounds like if you don't pirate or hack games you're fine. If you game in 2026 with no Internet you need a new hobby or just game retro.
>>737853524I can play games on consoles that I bought 30 years ago. You really think they'll continue supporting the PS5 when it hits 30?
>>737853524It's worse on Xbox, those fuck faces don't even give you a permanent license like Sony does. Every time someone says Sony, Nintendo, or Valve will do it too, know that it's a seething Xrat.
>>737852861And im not interested in selling my games.
>>737853421No. Not true at all. GoG in the EU has no influence over their media and GoG users in the EU own their games. DRM doesn't inhibit ownership by nature, and in the instance of consoles it actually facilitates ownership.
>>737853524>But muh XboxAre you a MAGAtard? Stfu about your whataboutism on the "other side" and have some standards. We don't bring up Xbox because we ditched the platform when they did it with the Xbone.
>>737853587>30 year old consoleslol who gives a shit? At that point the new consoles will have backwards compatibility or there will be PC emulators if you are feeling nostalgic. lmao as if anyone still keeps their fucking ataris. Get real.
>>737853361then what the fuck do you want? ownership is about what you have, not what you're allowed to get rid of
>>737853657Neither am I. I want to own them, not sell them.
>>737853679what retard logic is this? why wouldn't the same laws apply to steam?
>>737853753So digital is better, since you own them.
So what my PlayStation is connected to the Internet all the time who disconnect the PlayStation from the Internet
>>737853754Because Gabe doesn't want Steam owners to own their media.
>>737853814gog doesn't allow resellingno one allows digital reselling because it's a fucking suicidal move, you idiotthere is no difference here
My PlayStation five slim system is always connected to the Internet, so don’t have to worry about the 30 day check-in
>>737853702>Bro it's no issue just buy new system to keep your libraryFuck off you corporate cuck. There's no guarantee that backwards compatibility will continue indefinitely, and it's safer to assume that it won't. It's also safer to assume they'll put out censored garbage remasters of the good games instead of properly porting them.
Who owns a ps5 and isn't always online who cares same ish
>>737853934You're retarded and going to have a rude awakening when they eventually discontinue the PSN service on your PS5.
>>737853718>then what the fuck do you wantOwnership of the media I purchase. >ownership is about what you have, not what you're allowed to get rid ofThat's obviously false since you can't legally own pirated media but you cleary have it on your computer.
>>737853871You grifters are so funny. You claim all modern games are shit, that Sony only makes garbage but here you are worried you won't be able to play The Last of Us in 30 years.
>>737853795You can't own digital media outside of very niche scenarios in the EU with GoG.
>>737842787Physical games are dying
>>737842787DRM-free > physical
>>737854000>Noooo Playstation has no game cuz it's multiplats nooooI don't play Last of Us, dingus. I'm going to be ditching the Playstation platform just like I did with Xbox when they pulled this bs. If anyone here is a grifter it's your sorry ass.
It's not surprising seeing sοnyggers being defensive or indifferent.They are literally the frog that is slowly being boiled.Fucking morons.
>>737853871>There's no guarantee that backwards compatibility will continue indefinitelyHell, they don't even honor backwards compatibility for older consoles.There is still zero excuse why you can't play your PS3 PSN purchases on future consoles. Go ahead and try. Nintendo has something similar with how 3DS and WiiU digital purchases don't transfer to the switch.It feels like PC users are the only ones exempt from this. Games bought from 2012 still work on my modern PC.
>>737853681No, he's right, People tend to make a big deal over something that isn't nothing with Sony, Nintendo, or Valve, while when Microsoft does something legit evil, faggots are either quiet or shilling them. Getting very tired of this grifting timeline like you wouldn't believe.
>>737853856Then nobody allows ownership on PC. Don't feel bad, there's no digital ownership on consoles either.
>>737854101it's simply a fact that in order to declare ownership you need to cut down the definition of ownership to the point where it means so little that you're allowing a corporation to have influence over your hardware and software
>>737854017A fucking hurricane flew over my house!
Get a life! Everybody has internet nowadays!
>>737854142No. Not true at all. GoG in the EU has no influence over their media and GoG users in the EU own their games. DRM doesn't inhibit ownership by nature, and in the instance of consoles it actually facilitates ownership.
>>737854090It's because the only people who bought Microsoft after the controversy were the retarded bro gamers just like how the only people who are going to buy a PS6 now are the retarded people saying "duurrr I always connect to the internet, what's the problem? Idc if my console is going to be a worthless piece of plastic when Sony eventually shuts down PSN for it".
>>737854223Not jeets
>>737854000if you actually cared you'd be advocating for the preservation of everything, good and bad. but you don't, because you're a shitposter with no opinion beyond the most retarded, inflammatory ones you can think of to regurgitate on /v/ for (you)s.
>>737854160You know that these check-ins every 30 days only benefit Sony, right? keep sucking sony's dick retard
I don’t know why people are loosing their sh!t over this it not a new concept
>none issue>just get a new hobby bro>get a life bro>if you go on vacation just take the ps5 with you bro>if you game on switch2 now and want to take a break from ps5, just don't bro>plug that shit on the router and keep it on forever bro
>>737854224>DRM doesn't inhibit ownership by nature, and in the instance of consoles it actually facilitates ownership.That is the stupidest thing I have heard all day.
snoypedo subhumans deserve to get spat on the face.
>>737854084boiling frog?
>>737854224>DRM doesn't inhibit ownership by nature, and in the instance of consoles it actually facilitates ownership.see? you admit you're giving up rights because it satisfies your nebulous and cut down definition of ownershipconsole ownership means absolutely nothing, it's like claiming you're an independent adult because you live alone while your rich parents pay off all your expenses
>>737854251Another grifter pretending he cares about ''preservation'' but in reality just wants to pirate games. Where were you when Concord and Highguard died? oohh lets not preserve thoooose games because I didn't like them. Fuck off.
>>737854347only blue frogs being boiledthe boiled water goes around red, green, and grey frogs
>>737854316I don't think it's stupid, because it's a fact. Consoles don't have ownership without the physical nature of the media which itself is DRM. GoG has ownership in the EU and has no DRM at all. Can you explain to me why you're obsessed with DRM when it has nothing to do with ownership?
Digital creates a new copy and sends money directly to devs and console manufacturers.Stuff like artbooks and soundtrack can be used for collecting, games are locked to one hardware or in the case of PC one OS, they don't age well.
>>737842787DRM-free Digital mogs everything else
>>737854404i want those games preserved and so should you. that doesn't mean they didn't deserve to crash and burn. you're a retard and you can keep making assumptions but they'll continue to be wrong.
>>737843073You can really spot consoletards with retarded takes like this. If it's on my hard drive then I own it and there is literally nothing any company can do to prevent it. Steam could shut down tomorrow and it would have zero effect on my ability to play my library. The government could make all pc video games illegal to possess and nothing would change.
>>737854589>i want those games preservedNo you don't. You were making fun of it like the rest of this board. You wanted it to crash and burn and celebrated the developers shutting down. You only care about ''preservation'' when is games you like.
>>737854468So let me get this straight. If a company officially sold you a disc with an executable inside of it, that contained the game, but the disc had no write protection on it and you could just extract the game and change it whenever you wanted, you don't consider that ownership? But if a game has 500 layers of digital obfuscation so you can't even look at the files inside of the game, that somehow gives you ownership?Or to put it this way: do I own my PSP games less because I jailbroke them and bypassed the DRM and license checks?
>>737854624>You can really spot consoletards with retarded takes like this. If it's on my hard drive then I own itWhat platform and in which country? Unless it's GoG in the EU you can't own computer games. >and there is literally nothing any company can do to prevent it.They already prevented your ownership when they designed their platform. Don't you ever ask yourself why you can't sell pr trade your games to another steam user, why there is no second hand PC games market, or why you risk banning your account when you try to sell log in information? You don't own anything on the platform.
>>737854824>Don't you ever ask yourself why you can't sell pr trade your games to another steam user, But I can? Sounds like a skill issue on your end.
>>737854665of course i was making fun of them, they were bad games. but its always a tragedy to lose access to media no matter if its good or bad. im not a fucking moron so i don't conflate bad art to identity politics or want to book burn the games /v/ tells me are destroying western culture. if they were idiots who put no consideration into what would happened when the servers died, thats on them, but it shouldn't stop existing for posterity.
>>737854708Can you sell the game legally? If so, you have ownership. If not, you don't. It's not complicated at all. DRM has nothing to do with ownership.
>>737854824because digital reselling is unsustainable you fucking moronyou can already do things like that through basic cracking, you're just such a fucking bootlicker that you need daddy's permission to do it
>No you see anon, you don't own that roll of tape you're going to use because the company says you don't. They can't take it away from you or anything, but you don't own it because they say so.YWNBAW
>>737842787>boughted physical and collects all physical disc, cartridges, nas, etc>get old>fucking die of natural causes>lost ownership over your stuff and suchWat nou?>go to gamestop>boughted physical disc>"heheheh those steamiecels wont be able to feel this ecstasy of OWNERSHIP! AHAHAHAHAH-">got assblasted by truck-kun (driver is pajeet, for comedy point)>fucking dies on the spot>lost ownership over your own physical media gameWat nou?
>>737854865You sold unlicensed media which nobody has leglal ownership over. Next time just pirate, it's the same thing. >>737854953>because digital reselling is unsustainableTell that to GoG in the EU who fought for their consumers' rights to own their media. >t....the poor widdle billionaire gabe.....it's too difficult to allow ownership!!!!you're just such a fucking bootlicker that you need daddy's permission to do it
>>737854918Why does it have to be legal? Why do you need daddy government's permission?
I used to feel this way and still do to an extent but im not so sure any more. even with a disk, your game still needs downloads, and can still be locked outI think i might be ready to concede that digital is superior because digital media can be cracked and horded on hard drives and servers, locally if you so desire, and this is really the only way you can be sure that your collection can remain yours, and can be accessed in full without internet or licensing
>>737842787Physical is just an illusion
>>737852332That would be an illegal backup, rtard
>>737855182>you're a bootlicker if you don't buy other people's digital gamesnigger what
>>737855182>You sold unlicensed media which nobody has leglal ownership over. >you soldSo you CAN resell digital games. I'm glad we could agree.
>>737855190>what do you mean you're mad there's a 5pm curfew enforced with on the spot execution? lol stealthchads keep winning, there's basically no difference maybe i don't want waste time and effort doing something obtusely and illegally when i should just have the right to be doing it normally.
>>737855286And? who's going to stop me? Remember, if they don't enforce it then it's allowed.
>>737855190Ownership is a legal construct. Good question.
>>737855182>Tell that to GoG in the EU who fought for their consumers' rights to own their media.show me gog allowing people to resell games>it's too difficult to allow ownership!!!!>release game>wait a week>there are now 10000 copies of it that everyone all over the world can buy for cheaper and get instantly>no one buys "new" digital copies since there is zero reason to>people stop buying new games and revenues drop massively>developers start arming their games with aggressive drm that explicitly aims to tie the game down to you so you can't resell itnow you're back to square one and you've enshittified the system for everyone that wasn't a fucking kike obsessed with getting refunds out of the cheapest medium on the planetgreat job
>>737854824>Unless it's GoG in the EU you can't own computer games.Brother, if a game is on your hard drive then there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to prevent you from playing it. Some kind of Eurocuck legal nonsense makes literally no difference. If it's on your drive you own it in every possible sense of the word.>Don't you ever ask yourself why you can't sell pr trade your games to another steam userNo, I don't. Why the fuck would I ever want to do this? I buy games so I can play them not so I can "trade" them. Fucking third world poorfag mindsets are incomprehensible.
>>737855365making everything illegal then allowing clemency at their discretion is a hallmark totalitarian strategy. you're too stupid to see it but they're leaving a pathways open to tighten the noose later.
>>737855374>>737855348>if I lend a copy of my game to a friend on a USB, the government will literally send swat teams to murder me in my sleepNot sure what nightmare hellhole you live in. >Ownership is a legal construct.If it is, then it's not one the government enforces. Otherwise I would've been gunned down by the ATF for enjoying illegal romhacks.
>>737855312Please only quote things I have said. Thanks. >>737855325That's like taking a bike and saying it's your property simply because you have it. It's not your property, and the act of selling it was a crime.
>>737855539>That's like taking a bike and saying it's your property Except the bike is still there, I just made a copy. and now I'm letting a friend enjoy the bike copy. I paid for it, not my problem anymore.
>>737855495and if you then emailed the company and told them you did that they'd have legal precedent to sue you for a hundred thousands dollars and destroy your life. even if they didn't want to bother they could, legally, and you think that's fine.
>>737855397>oh no not the hekin corporinos!!!!!Fuck em. Give me ownership or I'm pirating. Your market isn't my problem.
>>737853428We can keep coming back to these threads to chat.And we'll see years maybe a decade or two down the line which one of us still has all their games.Hint: I'll still have all my games.
>>737842787Why are PS5's getting more expensive when all other electronics are dirt cheap? I just got a TV for my bedroom for 118 dollars Canadian.
>>737855632>a company needs legal precedent to sue and destroy someone's life
>>737855647then piratewe're currently in the best possible system with steam in chargepaying customers are satisfied with its features and you schizos with your market destroying ideas can pirate without feeling guilty about it after going through mental gymnasticsallowing reselling would fuck everyone over just for a tiny sliver of kikes that fundamentally hate the ecosystem and want to turn it into a low trust shithole of penny pinchers
>>737855724then i guess you agree that its bad?
>>737842787>This is why physical > digita-ACK!
>>737855430>Brother, if a game is on your hard drive then there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to prevent you from playing it.I know. But I'm not interested in just playing, I'm interested in owning + playing. These are two different outcomes, and I prefer the one outcome over the other. Do you understand or am I going to fast for you?
>>737851932>just because they didn't have means to enforce it doesn't mean they allow itI am going to give them the means then. I am going to mod my Mario 64 game so that I start with 10 lives instead of the usual amount they give me, then I am going to tell on myself with a letter and email with video evidence of what I did, then I will contact the police department as well. Watch what happens when nothing will happen.
>>737855495>If it is, then it's not one the government enforces.False. It is. And it's the government that enforces it. This is a fact. Don't bother debating it.
>>737855606It's still a crime, and it's still not ownership.
>>737855793Companies are bad, yes. not sure what this has to do with ownership, since you don't own physical games.>>737855860>>737855919Then why am I not in jail for enjoying romhacks, which are a violation of intellectual property rights?
>>737855764>then pirateWhy? I can buy them on consoles and own them.
>>737852391I didn't say your self-inflicted wound, I said your hole.
>>737855668I will also still have all my games.
>>737855795If a game exists on my hard drive, and it will be there as long as I want it, and it can be transferred to any other digital storage I like, and I can play it for the rest of my life regardless of anything anyone else on the planet does, in what possible fucking retarded way can you imagine that I don't own it?
>>737853258> private chat logsSteam chat isn’t retained
>>737855929Because piracy is completely safe when done in privacy. Good question.
>>737856054Because the maker said so. What, you think you own the pair of socks that you paid for without asking for permission?
>>737856054The legal way.
>>737842787>you have to create an online account and sign into it for the system to work>you have to get permission from the server to use the disc drive
>>737856073But you just said the government enforces IP law, so there should be no safe harbor.
>>737855956>own them.if you're so cucked that you consider drm that locks you to specific hardware, makes you unable to install mods or change settings and forces you to have the disc in as ownership then you're cucked beyond repair
>>737856150Well there is a safe harbor. Sorry you guessed wrong?
>>737842787ps5 physical is just digital with extra steps, most games nowdays dont come finished in the disc
>>737856159Ownership has nothing to do with DRM.
>>737856205Then the government doesn't enforce it. To put it this way, if some future basketball playing astronaut stole a bike, and the government refused to prosecute him,then he basically owns the bike.
>>737856246if you can still call what i described as ownership then you can fuck right offgames are meant to be played, not resold
>>737856246>Ownership has nothing to do with DRM.>>737854224>DRM doesn't inhibit ownership by nature, and in the instance of consoles it actually facilitates ownership.HMMMMMMMMM
>>737856246>Telling you that you can't access your game has nothing to do with ownership
>>737856159By that logic, any physical media format is DRM because you need to own a specific machine to play it. Like a record player to play records, or a VCR to play video tapes, or a DVD player to play DVDs.
>>737856225And you still need to install them to your SSD so the data loads faster. So you take up shelf space as well as digital space. And if your disc gets stolen or destroyed (both have happened to me) you have to buy it all over again.
>>737856272>Then the government doesn't enforce it.They do.>To put it this way, if some future basketball playing astronaut stole a bike, and the government refused to prosecute him,then he basically owns the bike.No, he basically has a bike. He will never own it because it's someone elses property, even if the crime is never resolved.
hg
>>737856334What part is confusing to you?
>>737842787Isn't physical these days extremely cucked?
>>737856292Games are meant to be owned and played, not just played.
>>737856462compared to digital which can be transfered through many different ways, ethernet, wifi, flash drives, it basically ishell, one of the reasons nintendo has for using their own proprietary cartridges is partly to combat piracy, so it is drm
>>737856436I can access all my games.
>>737856540The blatant contradiction seems confusing. >>737856472>he basically has a bike. He will never own it because it's someone elses property, even if the crime is never resolved.The problem is that, if the government refuses to resolve the crime, then the kid can use the bike, modify the bike, even sell the bike. He could probably reverse engineer it and make copies of the bike. Many of these constitute the definitions of ownership that you agreed upon earlier.
>>737856576Why would you say that?
>>737856624Not if you're offline for 30 days you can't, which is what DRM does
>>737856578>Games are meant to be owned and played, not just played.but you own the game on pc since you don't have those console restrictionsyou can claim you own the license specifically since you can resell itimagine being such a faggot that you're choosing a shittier version of the game just to get a partial refund down the line
>>737856580I mean, you still need a device to play your FLAC files you downloaded and some form of media to store them. If you don't own a computer, your files on your SD card might as well be locked behind DRM. Or if you don't have eyes, you can't read books, so I guess that's a form of DRM too.
>>737856054Dont worry anonPiracy is ownershipHe's just being silly but he'll come to his senses eventually.
>>737856735digital doesn't require specialized devices to use and process that dataphysical does
>>737856667It seems like you're pretending to be confused and throwing out hypotheticals simply to keep responding.
>>737856246If the car manufacterer has a way to disable your car remotely, if you car is new they do have this, or a way to auto drive it back to the dealership.Do you own that car?I'd say no.
>>737856678I don't have a PS5
>>737856945Oh, so I can interact with my digital games without any sort of electronic device or physical object? I'm going to sell my PC and phone and expect somebody to provide me my games then.
>>737856724You can't own PC games unless you live in the EU and use GoG. Your games just have less DRM which has nothing to do with ownership.
>>737842787Funny.Sony sold a digital only PRO UPGRADE system....AND THEY GAVE YOU AN OPTIONAL DISC DRIVE TO BUY IF YOU STILL WANTED TO PLAY PHYSICAL GAMES. NO, IT'D PROBABLY COST THE SAME IF THEY ADDED IT ON OR HELL, EVEN MORE.FUCKING XBOX IS DEAD, PC DOESN'T HAVE PHYSICAL ANYMORE AND NINTENDO IS NINTENDO.FUCK YOU
>>737842787I only buy digital games and never had a problem
>>737857051>Oh, so I can interact with my digital games without any sort of electronic device or physical object?Uh, yeah? Are you saying you can't manifest electricity and digitalized components from your own psyche? What are you, a brainlet?
>>737856945>digital doesn't require specialized devices to use and process that dataSo how do you listen to the FLAC files on your hard drive with no computer?
>>737857072wrong, you own pc games since you have full control over the game fileshowever don't own the license since you can't resell themi'd still pick the steam version since i'm not a posturing faggot and i want to play games, not obsess over being so poor i need to resell them or so vain i need to post pictures of them on reddit
>>737842964Would you rather not have the games psychical at all?Nintendo would probably charge more if they had to have 100gb plus carts. Even PS5 games need to DL shit, like Doom DA, CoD, etc, all the BIG games aren't on disc anymore or even released as complete editions.
>>737857126This just chomp on them like Diana does you retards
>>737857016Let's cut the shit hypotheticals. Nintendo Switch 2 can be remotely disabled, in spite of this fact people who bought a Switch 2 own their Switch 2. Also a fact.
>>737856976I'm just saying, you're hung up on legalities, but you ignore any kind of practical reasoning. My PC games are digital. I can modify them, change them, make infinite backups, AND sell them. Legality has nothing to do with it.Not sure how this doesn't constitute ownership.
Remember when they clowned Microsoft over the Xbone DRM? I'm surprised the video is still up, it probably won't be very soon.
>>737857157>wrong, you own pc games since you have full control over the game filesIncorrect.
>>737857051>>737857148specialized, idiots, like disc readerscomputers and phones are general purpose devices, they can process that data if sent digitally
>>737843053AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAFAGGOTLET ME TELL YOU ABOUT....THE FUCKING 90S AS A PCGOD....WE HAD TO BUG ID SOFTWARE TO GET OUR UPDATES MAILED, ON 1.44MB FLOPPIESKILL FUCKING YOURSELF!
>>737846258Don't forget performance patches. If anon is playing CP 2077 completely unpatched, his PS5 is going to have a very bad time.
>>737857226you seem really hellbent on convincing me i should buy shittier, console versions of games just so i can dispose of them when i'm donewhy?
>>737857184Ownership is entirely a legal construct. Legality has everything to do with ownership.
>>737856472>Have thing>Can defend thing>nobody can take thing away from meApparently I dont own this.>Have thing>thing has drm>thing limits how often I can use it>thing forces you to verify every X time>thing can be remotely bricked by the companySomehow I own this one because I paid.Obviously you're working under a different definition of "ownership" than everyone else. Going by your definition ownership is basically reduced down to>I paid and I can resell.So you should consider something like gkc as ownership.Whereas other people dont because it can be stolen from you.
>>737857187Xbone DRM was a 24-hour online check with no permanent license, this is just a 30-day license period to fix a jailbreak exploit and after that 14-day refund period ends, you get a permanent license. The Xbone DRM was never removed, it still exists in Microsoft's digital-only consoles while they also added it to their Xbox PC Store for their games. Completely different. Microsoft is legit evil.
>>737857273No I don't. You can do whatever you want. Personally I prefer consoles since they provide me ownership over the games I buy. It sounds like you prefer modding and piracy so you'll use a PC.
>>737857378so ownership according to you is getting shittier versions of games? why the fuck would i want that?
>>737857175>Nintendo Switch 2 can be remotely disabledIf they can genuinely brick it then no you dont own the console you buy. If they can only ban you from online play then id consider it as ownership
>>737857238I want you to get a video game to work on my microwave even though it's not specialized for that particular function.
>>737857378You own just as little as everyone else.
>>737857238Is a sata port not a specialized interface? What if someone gives be a hard drive full of media, but I only have IED in my machine? Or I'm on a laptop with only m.2 ports? Or they give me an SD card and I have nothing that has an SD card built in? I'd have to buy an adapter. At that point, how is that fundamentally different from me having to buy a DVD drive to play a DVD or CD in my computer?
>>737857161>all the BIG games aren't on disc anymoreYeah they are.
>>737857292And nobody with a brain cares about legalities, so it's a complete non-issue. By your logic, you don't own your physical games if you violate any of the 5000+ statues in the EULA that you invisibly sign when you buy a game. Hell, EULAs even forbid lending games to your friends, since that constitutes a public showing that requires a streaming license from Nintendo. Hence why Nintendo can legally shut down people who stream their games.
>>737849164Unironically yes. If you bought the toy, it's yours. If you let it pass by saying "It's just toys" then eventually they'll take away the concept of ownership of anything with the precedent set.
>>737857305>your definitionI'm citing the textbook definition of ownership under capitalism. Your beef isn't with me. >So you should consider something like gkc as ownership.I do, because it factually is
>>737857483:Dhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM7cMG49N8Y
>>737857407I'm not telling you to do anything. Are you calling my preference shitty because I criticised an aspect of PCs? That's immature. I would work on fixing whatever personality flaw you have that gets defensive when PCs are criticized.
>>737857691Now do Cyberpunk
>>737857483a microwave is a specialized device, what fucking drugs are you on>>737857497none of them are specialized interfaces, just different form factors that fundamentally do the same shiti sure hope you're not comparing something as everpresent and universal as fucking sata to nintendo's proprietary cartridges that no one else uses
>>737850889>Seething this hard over the master race of physical media because you go cucked by steam.Remember when you had disks and CDs? Shame you need to cope with digital now.LMAO
>>737857742So is every device, but it doesn't specialize in video games.
>>737857696yes, you're having your little crusade extoling ownership and when push comes to shove you define ownership as getting shittier and locked down games>DRM doesn't inhibit ownership by nature, and in the instance of consoles it actually facilitates ownership.you don't want to play games, you want to virtue signal about them
>>737857468That's false. They can brick it and I own it. They can both be true, and they are, because I'm citing a fact.
>>737857786phones, laptops and computers are not specialized devices
>>737857492I own a lot of games so that's good news for the average gamer.
>>737857571Im still presenting theOwnership is a pre civilisational concept position.My definition is older than yours, it predates capitalism, predates fuedalism.My definition is primordial truth.If you possess something and nobody can successfully take it away from you, that is ownership.Your definition presupposes that somebody will save you and stop it because the law says something, as if we arent ruled by evil pedos.My definition presupposes that I have to make sure nobody can take it away from me
>>737857557>By your logicIt's not my logic. I'm citing established facts about ownership.
>>737857814>They can brick it and I own itAre you arguing badly on purpose? Like trying to lose, because anon it seems like you're trying to job.
>>737857793>you define ownershipNo I'm citing the factual definition of ownership.
>>737857905>I'm citing established facts about ownership>>737857814>a company can literally destroy my product, and I still own it
>>737857869I disagree with your definition of ownership.
>>737842787Sony relocated their gaming division from Tokyo to California and rebranded Playstation as Goystation.
>>737857839They're all specialized internet devices.
>>737857951That wasn't an argument, it was a fact. I own my Switch 2. It's just a fact. I don't care if you hate it.
>>737857502100%, no downloading data before starting the game?
>>737858006>I disagree with a primordial truth that has existed for thousands of years, maybe more
>>737857978A company can have kill switches on the a device that triggers when copyrights are infringed, and the customer can still own that product. These aren't mutually exclusive events. Both can occur.
>>737857959>ownership is so shit that it actively makes games less functionalthen why the fuck would i want it?do you buy food just so you can stare at it and not actually eat it?
>>737857959>Factual definitionLolWho wrote your dictionary?Care to define racism for us next?Is it privilege + power like your professor said?
>>737858116Whatever you want to call the lie you just told me, I disagree with that.
>>737858146I'm not telling you to do anything.
>>737858006Anon thats fine, like I said earlier im perfectly content with your opinion staying wrong. Im just enjoying stating facts, like for example you're simply using an altered version of the definition.Because of this I can eitherA) Say no your definition is subverted the original definition is the true oneB) no, we're changing the definition again because if definitions can simply change then we'll change it back.
>>737844707>Because consoles are better for gaming than PCs.
>>737858232you're moralizing, you're not being sleek hereyou come to /v/ and advocate playing shittier versions of games just so everyone can join you on your gay little consumerist vanity crusadethere is no benefit to ownership if it actively hurts the functionality of games just like there is no benefit to food if you're not going to fucking eat it
>>737858154You seem a bit upset that I criticized an aspect of computers. I would work on whatever personality flaw you have that makes you emotional when computers are criticized.
I can argue that what matters is the illusion of owning something.Yeah you don't own anything. Whatever you have, including your own fucking life, can be taken by someone else at any moment. Ownership is an illusion so what matters in life is the illusion of owning something. That illusions fills you with a sense of liberty and pride, because of the line of thought that "to own something, you have to earn it". So you can argue that corporations own everyone at this point but as long as corporations provide the illusion of ownership, I believe they're fulfilling the lives of the consumers, and therefore, providing a good to them.If you break the illusion by letting the consumer know that "they don't own anything" they are antagonizing the very sense of fulfillment any men seek. The idea that "even if you suffered to get this thing, you don't own it" cuts deep and it's not a wound easy to heal. Since corporations see consumers as literal numbers, they don't realize this simple idea, which is why they end up making retarded decisions like this one.
>>737858040you don't know what specialized means then
>>737858135>A company can have kill switches on the a device that triggers when copyrights are infringed, and the customer can still own that productIgnoring legalities for a second, are you legitimately okay with a company being able to destroy something you already bought? If this is supposed to be a good thing, then how does it benefit the end user?
>>737858242That's fine. Because you so adamant on lying and obfuacating truth and fact I'm cutting you off now.
>>737858476this retard would unironically rather mangle the definition of ownership than accept that he doesn't truly own a console
>>737858356I disagree.
>>737858476>are you legitimately okay with a company being able to destroy something you already boughtWe both are. You use steam, correct? They have an account killswitch.
>>737858619Well, you're attaching digital games period. Only a small fraction of my game library is on steam. I also use GOG, I emulate, and I even buy directly from developers sometimes. For example, Starsector. That not only doesn't require an account, but they literally give you the launcher for free, and you can use any activation key you find on the internet, since the game never checks to see if it's already used.It seems like more people would agree with you if you just had your grievances with steam or other launchers, but you have this vendetta against all PC games.
>>737858534i don't careyour definition of ownership is so cucked that it's not compromised by sony having joint ownership over "your" property and making it shittier by locking it downthis model doesn't exist anywhere else but as a consolecuck that's all you have
>>737842787if gamestop was smart they would subsidize the price of the disc reader version to match the price of the discless version. maybe they could make it so you have to buy a physical copy of a game to get the discounted ps5 w/ disc reader. then people who buy into this promotion will be more likely to shop at gamestop in the future for physical games. they should just make me their CEO already.
>>737858904Why would I want you to agree with me?
>>737859006>your definition of ownershipIt's not my definition of ownership. I didn't write the laws that enable ownership.
>>737859070Why would you argue in a thread for several hours, if your intent wasn't to try and convince people of your viewpoint?
>>737859180you're trying to pass off being a minority share co owner as being a sole owner of your console and gamesyou're not, you're not defining what you can do, you're a minority owner
>>737859203Because I'm retarded
>>737859203You kept asking me questions and telling objective lies and I answered the questions and corrected the lies.
>>737859203>he doesn't argue just for the sake itNORMALFAG ALERT
>>737859257I'm sole owner of my hardware and physical games.
>>737856120>>737856114Since you seem so concerned over "legal" ownership then this must be a common issue, no? So I'll expect you can give me at least one (1) example of a company revoking ownership of a PC game from paying customers.While you're frantically googling that, you can also tell me how a company telling me that I don't own a game any more has any bearing on my possession and ownership of that game. If it's on my hard drive then it's mine, period.
>>737859404But why? You said it yourself that you don't care if people agree with you, so why do you think it so important to "correct the record"?
>>737859404What's a lie is saying that you never owned any games that you bought.
>>737859451Ubisoft
>>737859450if you were the sole owner then you'd be able to set the agenda for your property, like modifying itbut you explicitly can't do that so no, you're a minority owner that has just been allowed to sell it, nothing more
>>737859451>So I'll expect you can give me at least one (1) example of a company revoking ownership of a PC game from paying customers.Sure thing. See Steam, where no customer is allowed legal ownership of their purchased media. >tell me how a company telling me that I don't own a game any more has any bearing on my possession and ownership of that game.Sure thing. You have games you bought from steam and you don't own any of them, by design, because Valve determined that's how they would run their platform.
>>737858491See you in the same thread again tomorrow buddy.
>>737859565I modified Mario 64 copy and let Nintendo know through a letter and email with video evidence, and I also notified my local police department. Nothing happened because I own the game.
>>737859683now jailbreak the switch 2 and play multiplayer gamesif you can't do that it's because you're a minority owner and you don't get to set the agenda
>>737859497Because a large contigent of cultists exists on /v/ called PC vegans and I enjoy trolling them with objective facts about PC digital storefronts and piracy. They are extremely bad at handling criticism and I find that entertaining.
>>737853139Realistically, what can they do to enforce this>Give kid my Steam Log in / e-mail details>Verify themselves on their own devices with 2FA>No suspicions raised because it's just 1 or 2 additional computers in the same local area, Steam may as well think you just bought a new computerWould they see an account age of like 60 and shut down the account then because they just assume "yeah this faggot should probably be dead by now" and lock it?What about the even more likely scenario of a family computer where a dad just let's his kids play all his games and this persists after his death?
>>737859565I can do all of that actually. If kept in privacy, there is nothing that can happen to me.
>>737859774>we've been arguing with the guy who calls people vegansThat explains quite alot. Are you the guy who also got angry that I said that the intro to Link to the Past was more open than Tears of the Kingdom, whose tutorial and intro was just a giant hallway? You sound awful familiar.
>>737859203Why would you care about convincing the other person?The point isnt to convince your enemy, its to get them mad so they die earlier.
>>737859839nothingthe point of those clauses is to prevent any jeets trying to scam support by making them hand over someone else's account
>>737858448> Yeah you don't own anything. Whatever you have, including your own fucking life, can be taken by someone else at any moment.No fucking shit. That doesn’t mean they should be limiting the access of shit we purchased. This is a digital fag cope to say physical media doesn’t matter. I have in my possession $20k+ of video games and consoles. You certainly do not. All that money spent on digital, and a corporation can take it away at the flick of a switch. My games can be always be played, traded, borrowed, and sold.
>>737859673Sounds good. I look forward to your made up reality, which I will promptly deny, and then cut you off.
>>737859849>If kept in privacyso you need to hide from the majority ownerand you think you own anything here lmao
>>737859750I can't do that because that wouldn't be in privacy.
>>737859960see >>737859931an owner doesn't need to hidea minority owner defying the majority owner wouldif you don't choose what your property can do then you don't have the majority stake in it
>>737859931No, because I'm the majority owner, and I'm not hiding from myself.
>>737859658Saying I don't own it doesn't make it true, retard. When I buy a game from Steam, how do I not own it? The second I download that game to my hard drive then I have possession of it for the rest of my life. How is that not ownership?Putting that aside, I asked for an example of a company revoking ownership, not for you to have a meltdown over your schizo head canon around what ownership means. When and for what game did Steam tell customers who had purchased said game that they no longer owned it?
>>737860024Sounds like a made up definition. I'm the majority owner and I decide when I have my games taken from me.
>>737860025if you're the majority owner then why do you need to wait for someone else to jailbreak the console for you? why can't you just type in an admin password in a debug menu and leave it?
>>737859907>All that money spent on digital, and a corporation can take it away at the flick of a switch.Do you have any proof of this?
>>737860079>When I buy a game from Steam, how do I not own it?Because you can't own steam games. Ask Gabe Newell. He will say the same thing. >I asked for an example of a company revoking ownership,For what purpose? Your ownership is revoked. What will giving an example provide you with?
>>737860123Because you can be the majority owner while soemone else works on the crack. These arent mutually exclusive outcomes. They can occur together at the same time.
>>737860251if you're the majority owner then there would be no one that would be able to set up a jail that you need to break out of, you fucking dumbass
>>737860130See Nintendo, Valve's, Sony's, and Microsoft's EULA for their digital stores.
>>737860280That's a false if/then statement.
>>737860307>shuts off my routerFoiled your plan
>>737860307EULAs say alot of things. They can't actually enforce them. We've been over this.
>>737860204>Because you can't own steam games.So you have no argument, got it.If a game is on my hard drive then I own it in every possible sense of the word. It doesn't matter if I installed it from physical media, bought it from Steam, or pirated it from a torrent. All I can imagine is that you have some confused idea about legal ownership which is frankly a pure cuck slave mentality.If a game is on my drive and I'm able to access and play it for the rest of my life then I own it, period. "Gabe Newell" can tell me that I don't own it all he wants but what he or anyone else says has zero bearing on my ability to continue to play that game.What you're saying is that if I go out and buy a table, the store I bought it from can call me up a couple weeks later and say>you don't own that table anymore!and somehow this means that I no longer own the table. They have no intent or ability to come take the table from me, I still possess it, I will never stop possessing it, but because some random person says I don't own it suddenly it's no longer mine? No, that's not how it works.
>>737860339then you're saying you chose to have anti tampering measures as a majority owner and now you're choosing to take them down by doing nothing but leeching off the efforts of someone who broke the law?if you were a majority owner then you'd be able to command line them away yourself on release, but you can't
>>737860689>>737860652Indeed we've been over this so I'm not sure why you asked. >>737859849
>>737860708>If a game is on my hard drive then I own it in every possible sense of the wordFalse if/then statement.
>>737860720>if you were a majority owner then you'd be able to command line them away yourself on releaseFalse if/then statement.
>>737860708The primordial truth.If you have it, and can defend it from being taken away, then you own it.
>>737861010nothing false about itthe majority owner sets the agenda, remember?who put that security there and who has the right to enforce or disable it? the majority owner aka not youbecause you wouldn't need jailbreaking to do those thingsif you were truly the majority owner then Nintendo would have no right to enforce security over any switch 2 "owner" since that would be illegal
>>737860708This. Anyone who says otherwise is a corporate cuck trying to brainwash people to accept DRM practices.
>>737861236You're confusing owning media with owning the IP on that media. Those are two different things. As a media owner I don't contend ownership with the IP holder. I am sole owner of the media. They are sole owner of the IP.
>>737861340you're not the majority owner of the consolerestricting features on someone else's electronics is illegal, it's ransomwarebut you're not the majority owner, it's limitations that they get to enforce and it's you who needs to commit a legally dubious action to bypass it
>>737861340Hes talking about the device.You dont own that because the os is locked down.
>>737861462That's right anon, it is ransomware. After SKG passes we need to prevent companies from distributing ransomware to console owners.
>>737861340This.Ownership of your personal copy =/= ownership of the IP. So many people just conflate this shit when debating "licensing" and "ownership" with physical media and that's why PC vegans "you don't own anything anyway lol" arguments fall flat but they wouldn't understand that because they gave up that fight long ago. That's why physical will always be king and we need to resist the all digital "you'll own nothing and be happy" future as much as possible.
>>737861609You own your physical copy? Then apply a mod or a rom hack to it
>>737861462>you're not the majority owner of the consoleI am sole legal owner of my hardware.>>737861474I own my hardware, and it's locked down. Both can be true.
>>737861662Sure, I can do that if I buy a dev kit or dump a rom.
>game files on a disk: :)>game files on a (hard) disk (drive): >:(
>>737861748And then Nintendo arrests you for copyright infringement.
>>737861706>I own it but someone has legally restricted my hardware and I need to commit a legally grey act to reverse itMinority ownership I control what os goes on my pc, you need to potentially break the law to do so because you're not the actual owner
>>737861748why can't you do that using just the hardware you "own"?
>>737861820They're allowed to do it because they have access to my device through the internet and can send malware to it directly just like how I'm allowed to pirate their games.
