>Original game on DS did just okay sales wise>mobile versions flopped hard>the gacha game flopped hard and was shut down quickly>nobody watched the anime>sequel flopped hard
gameplay sucks
TWEWY is just weird. It's not like they decided to make like legally distinct Persona 3. There's not a lot of demand for two screen action RPGs.
>>737844980fucked up control scheme gimmick filtered everyone and by everyone I mean me
>>737844980Corporate politics resulting in sabotaged launches (NEO console release lying about which versions where available and steam release shadowdropping the same week as Persona), a unique tone and structure that isn't particularly accommodating, and just luck of the draw. Think of how many weird one-off games never even got sequels.
Don't know, don't care. Based game, got the sequel I wanted and gave Squeenix money for them. They can rot in hell for all I care now.
>>737844980Oh hey it's those guys from dream drop distance
>>737845591Yeah, one of the two KH games I played - the first one, and the one with my boy Neku in it.
>>737845483Does anyone remember when NEO accidentally released early on Switch or was that just me?
No one likes playing pingpong during fights and all the gimmick controls made the game almost impossible to port to any other system. So it was always stuck on the 3ds till the switch remake where it removed the pingpong gameplay. But by then it was too late. The sequel didn't take off probably because the main character looked lame with the chin diaper always stuck in his chin. It would have looked cooler if he actually wore the mask instead of having it stuck under his chin the whole time
>>737845674>No one likes playing pingpong during fightsYou will never attain 5.0x bliss.
>>737845589Is the sequel even good? I get tempted to buy it everytime I see it on sale.
Fun fact: NEO: TWEWY was in development at Square Enix in 2012 (NEO's logo itself was made in August 2012) and Square Enix held a limited event at ARTINA that was originally planned to be where TWEWY2 would be revealed. Square Enix president Yoichi Wada cancelled the TWEWY2/NEO TWEWY in 2014 along with other projects.
>>737845790Neo’s pretty good although don’t expect it to be the Neku show, it’s mostly its own thing until the very end
>>737845790It does a pretty good job of translating TWEWY's identity away from its control scheme. It's different, but the spirit's still there. I'm not sure it's as successful in translating to a console setting as things generally feel like they drag more than they did in the first, but it is a good game on its own terms.
>>737845240>legally distinct Persona 3In what way is TWEWY similar to persona at all?Fucking retard.
>>737844980The anime was mediocre and the sequel while it had great gameplay had an ok story.
>>737846725I wanted to pick another RPG set in modern day Japan. They're not much alike at all, but you can imagine TWEWY except battles are handled basically like Persona 3. It wouldn't be an improvement, but it's an easier sell.
>>737844980A big reason that the original game developed a cult following is because of how well designed it was for the DS. Take it off of the DS and it's not that interesting anymore. TWEWY is my favorite game but I have never felt the need to touch anything else TWEWY-related. I didn't even know there was a gacha game until this post desu. >>737845674>So it was always stuck on the 3dsI'm going to have an autistic meltdown if I see another person disrespect the DS by confusing it with the 3DS. I mean the 3DS isn't bad but the DS is the greatest handheld of all time. Possibly the greatest console of all time. FACT: The 3DS is largely carried by its DS backwards compatibility. >>737846064Maybe if it came out soon enough to be released on the 3DS I would've bothered to play it.
>>737845790NEO isn't great. Enemies are HP sponges and the whole gameplay is just mediocre at best. It also will make the assumption that you have played TWEWY: Final Remix (and not the DS version).From a gameplay standpoint it is great.From a mood & settings standpoint, it is pretty fucking good and a great inheritor to TWEWY, aside from that one plot device (Replay) that I find actively diminishes the game experience, but has a cool payoff at some point.I.e.: mixed bag but if you loved the first game, get it. Play on easy if you value your time (t. person who 100%'d first game).
>>737848251>I have never felt the need to touch anything else TWEWY-relatedWait, I lied. I've been meaning to play Dream Drop Distance. The 3DS version of course. But I need to replay the 6 Kingdom Hearts games from before DDD.
>>737844980I liked the idea but controls were just awkward
>/vitagen/ still alive after over a decade>no DS/3DS general on /vg/ explain
>>737848849/3dsg/ was an absolute hellhole with a hair trigger that rivals /u/'s vidya thread. All one had to do was say "Vita" and within minutes the general was unusable. Thank fucking God it died.
>>737848421I like both. The TWEWY characters are like walk on cameos in a sitcom. I wouldn't consider it very interesting, even if you like those characters. They also have horrible remixes of TWEWY songs.
>>737848942Surely enough time has passed that the people who shit up those threads will have grown up or moved on.
>>737845483>and steam release shadowdropping the same week as PersonaGod I remember that. Felt so damn weird seeing it, and at that point I knew that Squeenix wanted this game to die a second time
>>737849269I don't disagree but I will say the fact that it's canon Joshua and this is just another universe for him same as the Tin Pin slammer dimension does add a fun wrinkle to the cameo.
>>737844980>taunt me with a countdown that's just a port>release a sequel way laternaw
It's a good game but it's also one of the most rawrxd weeb-coded games of all time so most people passed it up. I only tried it because I had a flashcart.
>>737848261Oh and forgotNEO:TWEWY's music is the real fucking deal. Period.
>>737844980Because nomura nomuraed it with a convulated plot nobody could follow
>>737849417That's an optimism that is rarely rewarded 'round these parts.
>>737844980Modern gaming doesn't reward quality and creativity.
>>737849645I'm still astounded at how hard they fucked that up. I've never experienced a more hype lead-in to a game announcement in my life. The week-long camaraderie was real. If they had just announced NEO then, man.
>>737844980Because it was too hard for FF and kingdom hearts shitters
>>737845316>gimmickTouch controls and dual screen use is integral to the gameplay.
>>737845483>(NEO console release lying about which versions where availableThis is the biggest culprit. I thought NEO was only available on switch for months before I got told here that it was available on PCI avoided all threads for a long time to avoid spoilers and it was by sheer coincidence I realize I could've played it much earlier than I believed I could. I'm still mad years later fuck niggers fuck fuck fuck fuck
>>737849558Joshua is definitely the best of the DDD TWEWY characters. It still mostly works like Kingdom Hearts Yuna where you're supposed to recognize the character from another game even though any actual scene from that game doesn't matter in KH.
>>737849724>Nomura>convoluted plotNomura moment
>>737849865no shit. made 10x worse when we were told "it's just a port and a soundtrack" by an insider, then some localiser fuck says "nuh uh wait for the countdown to end", and when it was a port and a soundtrack, he said "it's an ENHANCED port and SPECIAL soundtrack"livid
Let's be real. There's no way that NEO: TWEWY could've been successful. They were banking on a small cult following from a 14 year old game (at the time) generating insane word-of-mouth.
>>737845790Neo is way better than it has any right to be. Excellent game that carries the same passion, even if it needed another pass to tighten the script in places
>>737848261>enemies are HP sponges and gameplay is mediocreSkill issue and shit taste, honestly. The amount of damage you can output is crazy, and there are a ton of really distinct and satisfying combos you can make with the pins, more than the first game
>>737849915>fuck niggersfuck did i do?
>>737849269Someday Kingdom Mox is excellent
>>737849724What could you possibly have failed to grasp in twewy’s plot? Neo, sure, but twewy?
>>737850262sorry bro that was a stray
>>737850109I'm just happy that it exists. I got mine.
>>737846064The entire game feels like a response to Wada’s shit leadership, down to a fortune teller being part of the villains corpo org
>>737845790Absolutely. The story gets a bit annoying in the second week because of the clan battle things you have to deal with that you should get the point requirement for because it's more annoying when you're stronger but outside of that it's a miracle it was as good as it was. They made a new interesting gameplay style that was unique to itself and I couldn't believe it.
>>737848251Pretty ridiculous not to touch Neo when it was clearly a passion project and had most of the creators return. They even made a narratively synergistic and unique battle system, even if they didn’t have hardware quirks to work with
>>737844980TWEWY is one of those games that demonstrates why devs cater to the lowest common denominator and make games so """"accessible"""" that they can be understood by even the most braindead ADD retard.TWEWY isn't even difficult at all (even ignoring that the difficulty and level is always adjustable) but it's way too much for the average person to take in.It's similar to Godhand. Slop is made because that's what people want. It's what they love. It's why Skyrim was celebrated as some holy grail and Dark Souls was considered some insane hardcore masochist game.
>>737850939>but it's way too much for the average person to take inAnd even then it's a walk in the park compared to Knights in the Nightmare.
>>737848261>the whole gameplay is just mediocre at best.>From a gameplay standpoint it is great.Schizo but also you should acknowledge that enemies are HP sponges if you don't know how to build damage/combo properly.It's the equivalent of never upgrading a weapon and saying enemies have too much health.
>>737850858I didn't care until you mentioned this battle system. Tell me more.
>>737850834The attention to detail for staging dialogue scenes was incredible. Really elevated what a lot of games treat as throwaway. Best execution I’ve seen
>>737844980it was actually unique which is a big nono for jrpgfags
>>737850250Yeah, maybe. Then again, the game really exceeded my patience capital with a lot of things at the end of week 1 (especially the boss at the end) and most of week 2.Also in a very TWEWY fashion, outputting "crazy damage" requires keeping the same set of pins forever which basically hampers your completion or guarantees you some meaty grind at the end. Game's designed for you to swap pins but punishes you fairly harshly for doing so.I'd not have argued with you calling it a skill issue if it was really just that, but honestly the game baits you into doing it. IMO that's not good design.As for the gameplay being mediocre, I just preferred touch screen gameplay.
The fact that NEO actually lived up to being a sequel to the first game, especially with them having to create a new combat system which was so integral to the first game, was a miracle and I'm fine with the series ending there.
When I was 26 I went to this "speed friending" event where you make friends and I was talking to this 28 year old asian woman about video games and I mentioned TWEWY and she went on and on about how Neku is her favourite character and other stuff. She said she bought NEO TWEWY on switch but is not playing it and is instead keeping it sealed because she thinks it'll be worth money in the future
>>737851142>Also in a very TWEWY fashion, outputting "crazy damage" requires keeping the same set of pins forever which basically hampers your completion or guarantees you some meaty grind at the end. Game's designed for you to swap pins but punishes you fairly harshly for doing so.I swapped pins constantly and did not have trouble so maybe you played yourself.
>>737850382Everything being -his- dream is beyond stupid. I think if you want something actually commited to the idea and succeeds at creating a plot, you have akiba beat. It's not the best but it's way better. Twewy pin combat is fun on mobile but thats all it has going for it. The plot is about as stupid as that 358/2 kingdumb hearts game.
>>737851326>I swapped pins constantly and did not have trouble so maybe you played yourself.Sure bud, let's call it a skill issue if that's how you want it, I don't mind. Still like the game, it just doesn't hold a candle to the first one.
>>737851357>Everything being -his- dream is beyond stupid. Are you sure you actually played the game and aren't having some sort of insane paranoid hallucination?
is there anyone that likes this that doesn't also like kingdom hearts or is there an entire subclass of gamer for them
>>737851357>Twewy pin combat is fun on mobilebruh
>>737851040Each character gets a “pin” assigned to them. Pins have different input methods. (Tap, hold, charge and release, etc) You control one character at a time for dodging and positioning purposes, but you switch to a new party member when you use their pin. But you can also use their pons simultaneously. This keeps you in control of the character with the first pin you activated. It allows you to orchestrate sick combos, so long as you have the dexterity to do all of the different inputs with the proper timing. And there’s a lot more interacrions in the game. Wall and ground bounces, launchers, stuns, varied elemental effects, positional power increases, gravitational pulls, etc. And the core of this ties into the MC’s arc, but I’ll let you make those connections
>>737851040he's just spewing bullshit like all NEO fags do for some reason
>>737851430I don't particularly like or dislike Kingdom Hearts. I've only played a couple of them and felt like that was enough for me.
>>737851402I wasn't that other Anon but that wouldn't be a skill issue that would just be misunderstanding a mechanic or making a bad choice. You're getting defensive though so lets drop it.
>>737851410The game is literally main character syndrome where they based the fate of everything on him and played god. If you want something that on the nose you have the fate guided paradox which is also better.
>>737851448>challenging the autism of TWEWYfagsWhen will zoomer newfags learn
>>737851432>>737851448oof
https://youtu.be/i8JVss6OdO8?si=2EGNYg5EzgFomR43The World Ends With You cosplayers at Anime Evolution 2008 playing Tin Pin Slammer.
>>737851142I absolutely never felt punished for swapping pins. In fact, it’s much more enticing than the first game, cause there’s more variety and interaction than before. It really sounds like you set the difficulty too high for yourself or did the classic “you can feed your characters?” blunder. Or didn’t utilize mashups properly.
>>737851537Not sure how that relates to>Everything being -his- dream is beyond stupid.It was also as simple as >this guys hates people so if he can't change then I winThe fact that the Composer exists has nothing to do with Neku and that Neku was 'chosen' makes him about as relevant as any other MC in any video game if not less relevant.
The localization is garbage.
>>737851323I was about to ask if you're married yet but keeping that game sealed is retarded. I mean collectors in 20 years might consider it "valuable" but we're talking maybe $100-$150 bucks for an old game which is even worse than it sounds after a couple decades of inflation. she would get a much better return on investment by putting money in an index fund.
>>737851604surely they had access to a better camera than this, even in 2008.
>>737851357That's a complete non-sequitor to the question, but referring to any of it as “hisbdream” does demonstrate that you in fact did fail to comprehend basic facts about the story
>>737845790it's an ok gamethe gameplay is pretty decent for an action game and shibuya looks really goodproblem is it lacks what made the original so goodthe atmosphere just isn't there, there is no sense of urgency cause no more hand timers and this time around the player already knows the game is rigged so there's not much going ondoesn't help the writing is fucking terrible and of course the writer decided to put time travel in just to make things worseand for some reason there's no bootleg Diablos noise in the game despite SE and Capcom doing collabs for the past 15 yearstldr you sqeeze some fun out of it but don't expect anything life-changingmost anons praising the game are biased cause release threads were funjust play the game if you're interested enough and form your own opinion
>>737844980It won game of the year back in 2008 and was one of the most popular games on the DS. Its another classic case of Square Enix mismanaging their franchise. They also sabotaged their own sequel and killing off their A and AA department.
>>737852112>was one of the most popular games on the DSNah. It's a cult classic but far from a DS bestseller.
>>737851996>the atmosphere isn’t there because some plot elements are different>implying Neku didn’t know the game was rigged by the end of day 2And as if I would’ve been in threads while I was playing the game, I wasn’t going to get shit spoiled for myself
>>737849645The fact they reused the same countdown and even ended it with a mobile Final Remix port fakeout was diabolical. Kudos to them, they knew exactly how to create as much insanity in me as possible
>>737851430I like TWEWY and I've never played a Kingdom Hearts game. I have no interest in the series, either.
>>737851402don't bother with these shitpostersthere is not a single placeable bomb pin that isn't total dogshit and they'll pratice some advanced mental gymnastics to convince you otherwise
>>737852397Spoken like a total shitter who doesn’t know the Time Bomb tech.
>>737844980Sequel flopped cuz Square did shit all to advertise it. (Part of me also wants to say ppl are retarded and didn't see TWEWY2)
>>737849417just today I saw someone mention that they recognized a shitposter from 20 years ago making the same exact schizo posts they used to make on gamefaqsSadly shitposters like that don't always get bored and move on. Sometimes they make shitposting their life goal
>>737852485case in point
>>737851831Sealed retro game prices are bonkers in japan you don't know jack shit>>737851979Maybe you did not comprehend the game title>>737852247Shit yourself now
>>737852548I wish my shitposts were that memorable. I want to make an impact in at least one person's life.
>>737851142>Game's designed for you to swap pins but punishes you fairly harshly for doing so.Are you high? The game outright encourages you to swap out pins with how Beatdrops work as well as status effects and different enemy hit states/resistances to look out for. If anything, I stuck to a certain order of psychs in the first game and was completely fine.
>>737852620>he doesn’t like BombermanI pity you
>>737852693I'm looking at sealed copies of 20 year old japanese games on ebay right now and they're worth less than their US versions.
>>737852816meant for >>737852673
>>737852673>game explicitly explains the title>retard still misunderstands itChrist man
>>737851548The autism is a bottomless well
it's from a specific era for a specific age group it's supposed to be transient
>>737852935they knew what they were doing when they brought him backfujos are literally free fucking money and marketing it's insane
>>737848261>Enemies are HP spongesWhen will this meme end? Seriously, it’s not that hard to come up with a good pin deck that melts enemies/bosses with some creative thinking.
>>737853035>implying it’s fujos that like Sho and not yumes and fellow autists.I’ve seen more people shipping him with Coco than I see him being shipped with another dude.
>>737852935>37 pagesThis is probably like the reddit version of those shitty 10-hour video essays where they give a very long synopsis of a game and offer basic analysis while restating themselves over and over again
>>737853125Surprisingly, no. It actually explains a lot of Sho’s math autism and his 4D chess plan.
>>737853173His math dialogue was really well done in Neo and had a lot of cool foreshadowing. It’s a shame they kind of nixed his art compulsions though
>>737853173did they need 37 pages to do that though?
>>737853038There’s still people to this day who don’t know about the Mashups + Headliner combo. It’s a shame really
>>737851875Early camera phones quality was crazy poor back then, at least here in the US. I remember always being impressed whenever I saw random Japs posting their phone camera pics back in 2005-2008 and how much better the quality was. If you wanted better quality camera phones you had to pay a little extra or go for certain brands which also costed more. Not saying only nips had good quality cameras, it was just shitty quality camera phones were far too common in the west back then and the idea of always buying a new phone every year didn't sink in to the rest of the masses yet so that phone was probably a few years older.I found old videos of my old phone from 2006 on my old HDD and it looked just as bad as that old Tin Pin Slammers video.
>>737853505In 2008 I would have used a dedicated camera
>>737849454My headcannon is Square sabotaged both of its releases to punish Nomura for daring to work on a project that’s not FF or KH. In reality Square is retarded and doesn’t realize their AA titles are the only things they put out with any soul(and not massively overinflated budgets) anymore.
>>737844980stylus combat is fucking ghay
>>737853619In 2008, poor lazy normalfags will say "Fuck that, my phone is good enough" and those people outnumber you. I was one of them
I cosplayed as Joshua at Megacon last year
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I dunno I never played it because it reminded me of late kingdom hearts, where it sold out and started sucking ass
>>737852378catbox it more ?
>>737844980>Newfags don't even know we had a sticky for this game over a possible sequelThis board truly is dead.
>>737844980I liked TWEWY but really didn't like NEO.
>>737845662Leaked early I think, not intentionally released early
>>737853694what are some other square AA ludokinos?
>>737851996>time travel just to make things worseIt had consequences, a lot of them even. Yeah, it's not as good as the sequel but compared to everything else available it's a pretty competent game. Somewhat flawed, but I think it's still pretty good. Music is great too
>>737845662How did that happen again? I remember being in every thread in the lead up to release, but I took my parents dog for a walk for an hour and missed the window to be the early copy
>>737850250>>737851142Crazy Damage is NEO is fucking annoying to do though>have to play the food game and get good equips>some pins are straight up worthless in terms of damage or usability>some pins are so good that they basically solo carry
>>737844980>followed up with an mobile port that shat on the original's combat with a small tease >followed up again with a switch port that uses the shat up combat from the mobile version, another small tease >miss the window for a proper sequel on 3ds>scramble to make a game on the Switch with yet another inferior (albeit better than mobile/switch twewy) >story almost entirely ignores the teases in favor of a new story with an incredibly underwhelming plot There you go
>>737854901Nta, but I’m a big Triangle Strategy advocate. The demo of Adventures of Elliot was really fun too
>>737854952It got released early in a store somewhere and leaked online or the online store version released early from what I remember, it was one of those two.
>>737855025You’re describing twewy more than Neo
>>737845662Switch games always get leaked early. That isn't uniquely NEO's thing.
>>737855306This was different. A store shipped out copies early. It wasn’t just a few strays in the wild and one being dumped
OPEN UP YOUR EYESTRANSFORMATIONTRANSFORMATIOOOOOON
>>737855241>one of the strongest pins despite being bugged to only do half damage>remake fixed the bug without changing anything else about itkind of silly
>>737855089>>737854901Oldie but goldie buut>Vagrant StoryOther AA kinos>Strangers of Paradise (Nioh-like)>Deus Ex HR>Nier (before it got popular with Automata)>Secrets of Mana>Octopath>Tactics OgreIt's kind of sad square used to have so much talent for making new games and IPs and then they abandon it all to be the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest company
>>737855241Twewy gave you very competitive damage on all the other pins too though except baby stuff you get in the first week, but they're also all cool as hell. NEO's pins are kind of samey
>>737855025>have to play the food game and get good equipsI beat the entire game with no stat boosts or equips and was still able to do pretty damn well. Your damage output is kept to be pretty fair throughout NEO.
>>737849558>canon JoshuaWas that really the case? it didn't seem confirmed
>>737855605This is an insane take. There are fewer types of pins and way fewer differences within the types in twewy. And there’s a ton of shit that doesn’t work on bosses at all, like anything status effect. I always end up gravitating to a similar build when I play it. Neo has much bigger variety with significantly different feel and functionality among them, because there are more states for enemies to be in, and the bosses arent immune to those
>>737855681Yes but the big damages for when you want to do NG+ stuff and other things for ultimate is kind of a hassle. This is the same as in the original twewy though if you wanted to do the highest difficulty fights
>>737855605>NEO's pins are kind of sameyNot him but you’re describing OG TWEWY more. There’s way more copies of pins, a lot of which are straight up bad. NEO actually does pin variety better in terms of variety and utility; the Noise pins alone mog the OG in this regard.
>>737844980Fans of cult franchises always beg for sequels and then never support those sequels once they get made. You didn’t want a TWEWY sequel. You just miss being 13 and playing it on the bus home from school.
>>737855759I bought both games though, I blame Square entirely for the terrible marketing. Few people saw gameplay of or even saw the sequel before it released
>>737855685Obviously it can't be confirmed without something in TWEWY where he talks about Sora, but everything he says about worlds in DDD aligns with the lore about vibes/tuning in TWEWY.
>>737852112>>737852208It's both.
just booted up TWEWY on my original dsshits still goated, no idea what fags are crying about when it comes to gameplay. it was a product of its time and it still holds up
Square refused to market TWEWY and sent NEO out to die. Meanwhile they were spending a shitload of money on the fucking Avengers abomination.
>>737844980I liked the original game, but it meanders a lot and I couldn’t even tell you the story because it made zero impact on me.
Post your pinfuPsychic shotguns are insanely satisfying
>>737856160>The double screen gameplay for the battles is divisive>can't follow simple flowchartsmass audience is retarded, in other news; water is wet
>>737856160>he can’t play Uprising OR TWEWYI can’t imagine a more pitiful existence.
>>737856160>Joshua reveals himself to be a bigger bastardBad bait in general, but come on lol
>>737844980Original game having a learning curve + Neku being a twat filtered too many people. Then instead of making a sequel to capitalize on their cult following or even in response to the hype that 7 new days announcement generated they let the IP rot for nearly 14 years where they proceeded to poorly market the sequel.God Square is retarded.
>>737856160>I for one didn't like Neku forgiving Joshua for shooting him with that magic gun. >"Same streets. Same crowds too. Yeah, Shibuya hasn’t changed a bit. But still…I don’t think I can forgive you yet."
>>737856160Motherfucker, Neku straight up says that he CAN’T forgive Joshua for what he did and why the fuck would he? He DOES trust him though and the game makes that distinction very clear.
>>737856331There are people that bad at games, they can't even play games that use only one button like these>>737856338^Joshua's hands wrote this
>>737853917>but Neku, I thought you couldn’t afford to diet
i remember yahtzee liking this game but due to his anime bias he didn't finish it
>>737855498I ALWAYS DRESS IN RAGS
>>737856493
>>737855987Square isn’t a serious company, in fact very few exist in Japan.
>>737855498The needle drop for Sho in Neo was sick
>>737851996I'm "biased" because the gameplay is great you bitch AND it kept shopping waifus.
>>737857218WELCOME TO SUNSHINE
>>737853038>engage with mechanics on an extremely surface level>if met with any resistance, do not adapt, blame the gameWhy do you think games are made to play themselves.
>>737853038I think that criticism often comes from people who were constantly throwing random pins on to level them up rather than trying to build an actual team.
>>737855605>I played NEO on a very surface levelHow many more years of NEO gameplay webms before this meme dies?
>>737856160>nothing about the actual gameplay besides "the combat was divisive"Watch your cinematic moviegames with pretend, no lose condition, gameplay.
>>737855465It is fairly easy to convince the average walmart employee to sell you a game before street date. Getting physical copies ~ten days before release is not hard. This is genuinely a part of the reason why the 'day 1 patch' thing is so common.
>>737857537I don’t think you’re understanding what Imm saying. You could order it online and they would ship it to you a week early. I think it was even the official square enix store. I know what you’re saying. This was not that
>>737855605>NEO's pins are kind of samey Just off of the Psychic Shotgun and Massive Hit psychs alone >Killer Princess is a two-hit Fire launcher unlike the others which cause knockbacks>Sistah Subwoofer and Disco Divekick charge rapidly and fly way faster as well as being Sound Affinity so they come with Groove Boost, as well as being able to do reversal kicks >Wicked Wind is a three-hit Wind Affinity kick that targets a wider area for you to catch multiple foes in>Leo Armo is a Fire vector kick that kicks enemies to the ground for immediate knockdown and bouncing (opening up enemies to Aerial Assault) and even immediately goes into its finisher when used on launched enemies>Time-in-a-Bottle is a rapid fire shotgun blast that’s even compatible with Turbo charge threads since it technically uses a charge animation, which gives it an extra shot>Stuck in the Middle draws in enemies instead of blasting them back, making it great for positioning>Rage Against the Storm is an Electric variant with high damage outputNot saying that OG TWEWY didn’t have pin variety (the Force Round pins alone show that) but it definitely had its fair share of copies.
>>737857398Even then, you’d think a lot of them would notice the differences between the Shockwave pins. Or the Time Bomb pins. But then again, a lot of shitters actually hate that psych.
>>737853619late 00s was a strange intermission era where everyone knew that camcorders recording on to tapes were on the way out, recording on to minidisks was the only viable storage option, but also everyone knew that minidisks were a shit tech about to be obsoleted in 3 years just like the rest of the cd>dvd>bluray chain, flash storage in USBs and SD cards was growing at a rapid pace and would soon be the optimal replacement, and phones with shitty phone cameras were a viable alternative, so no one wanted to blow a thousand dollars on a minidisk camcorder that was going to be obsolete immediately.
>>737857670Is this game just all about juggling combos and switching characters mid-animation?
>>737844980It didn't take off because it's a terrible game. Like, unbelievably so. It's somehow even worse the most other Square games, which should mathematically be impossible. People who like this game need to be put into a lab and studied, because I'm not convinced we're the same species
>>737858281We’re not the same species. Like you said, we’re people, you’re something subhuman
>>737858281>retarded take>genderbend anime This can’t be a coincidence at this point.
>>737855759I don't remember begging for a sequel. >>737857621I had this happen a couple times with books i preordered in the early days of amazon but haven't been that lucky in a while. I figured these companies had started to become more careful.
>>737858027Not quite, there's dodging involved, bullet hells, a bit of a dps check for some enemies, etc. You control a primary character and this control swaps around depending on who's pin you used last. Because of the new rules (and the new control scheme) every character gets to use only one pin at a time. The switching character mechanic is for timing this game's version of the light puck where you get more sync and damage by timing your hits to a different character's combo. It's a pretty good adaptation of the original game's system, but yeah at a surface level it does just seem like juggling combos and switching characters. Some guys can't be stunned though so maybe you have to wait for an attack to drop a combo or change positions. It's an RPG though, so you can really just out-stat everything.
>You will never force a cute yumejoshi to drink gallons of coffee against her willWhy even live bros
>>737844980Anime was released too late. Neo was complete shit and a flop.
>>737844980...it had a gacha?
Game had fun fan art
>>737844980OG fans of the DS version calling the Switch port inferior made the Switch cultists not want to shill it like they do for every other Switch exclusive, instead they disowned it. NEO being not a Switch exclusive further made them disown the series.
>>737860732All of this is true, and the promo Square would have gotten from making Neo Switch exclusive would have helped make up for their complete ineptitude. Fuckers didn’t even show it in their E3 presentation for more than 3 seconds
>>737858027Not entirely. It has a bit of RPG shit where you pick different attacks to "equip" before a menu and select them. Each character is mapped with a different button, so you'll switch characters constantly just hitting different attack buttons. Juggle combos are obviously useful because the enemy can't attack the whole time, but a lot of people will just focus on landing attacks and trying not to die.
>>737844980I put off buying it because of the localization. Is there a patch for that?
I own neo for ps4 and literally never touched it. I tried playing twewy on the ds but I lose interest after a bit, like with chrono trigger. I played the beginning of that game so many times. im sure twewy is good but I dont know when ill really play it. ive heard some people swear that neo has a great combat system
>>737850306Like 8 years later, I don't have as much of a problem with them as I did playing DDD for the first time. Part of the extreme negative reaction is it was like listening to a song you like on your headphones and someone nearby starts banging on drums as loud as they can.
>>737861067What's wrong with the localization?
>>737861091>chrono triggerlol I got to the very end of that game and lost interest. i actually forgot that i didn't finish the game and spent years thinking i had beaten it. it wasn't until i was reading a post about the ending which i could not remember at all that i loaded it on my flashcart and realized that i never actually finished the game.
>>737844980I put some of the blame on Neku. Yeah he gets a lot better, but god is he a faggot for the first week.
>>737844980A handful of dedicated autistic people on here will defend these mediocre games to their dying breaths, and they will samefag aggressively to make you think there's more fans than it really has. Best not to engage with any retard who sings the praise of late 2000's Square Enix slop or it's crappy sequel no one cared about.
>>737861714I just know you picked that FF8 pic on purpose. That’s way too easy, man.
>>737861714>FF8 pic>calling any other Squeenix game mediocre lollmao even
>generalization devoid of substance revealing he’s permanently assblasted by people actually wanting to discuss a game they like
>>737861984Yes, I feel the exact same about FF8 as I do TWEWY, they both suck.
>>737862041Have you actually played TWEWY?
>>737861714Square Enix was obviously involved, but it's more reasonable to think of them as Jupiter games. They aren't trying to be Final Fantasy in Shibuya.
>>737862041What Square games do you like?
>>737861714t. Never played the gameYeah yeah. I've seen your type for years.
>>737861136You’re right about the other two, but Someday Kingdom Mix is actually transformative and goodhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=Leqh0qOeo2Y
>>737862041Yeah, I figured as much. You’re just a sad man pissed that people are actually discussing games you don’t like. That’s honestly kind of weak.
>>737844980the street culture of japan is a hard sell overseas and the awful localization didn't helpthe gameplay made it locked down to touch screen systemsthe sequel was an epic store exclusive and had awful localization too
>If I pretend I know what I'm saying nobody will call me retarded
>>737862081FFV, FFVII(OG only, remake is shit), Chrono Trigger, most Dragon Quest games(though I particularly like V and DQM1 and 2), Live A Live, that's about it off the top of my head. FFIX is flawed but I'd still give it a thumbs up I guess. Is that enough ammo for you to deflect and desperately try and defend this crappy game?>>737862065>>737862083>>737862317See what I mean? They're fragile and can't take people not enjoying a spastic ADD coded DS game that has you focus on a bunch of poorly slapped together bullshit happening on both screens at once, or the boring as fuck modern mobile port that's somehow even worse.
>>737862453>I don't play the game but let me tell you why YOU'RE the autistic oneOkay
>>737844980should have been named the world ends with rope because it's about grooming kids into being trannies
>>737862453>no substantive critique>starts with “all late 2000s square is bad”>”what do you think is good from them?”>”YOU DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GAME”retard lol
>>737862453Oh wow, so brave to champion those games. We get it, you’re terrified of playing anything that haven’t benefited critically validated by the mass public for the last 30 years and want to take that out on everyone else whenever they point out that your personality is just a time capsule from 1997.
>>737858281Kill yourself avatarfaggot
>>737862525But enough about roblox
>>737862453Fuck off retard
>>737862453>lists FF7 OG, Chrono Trigger, and DQ>thinks this gives him the high groundCongratulations on having the exact same 'favorite games' list as a 2008 IGN listicle. Did you actually play these, or did you just ask an AI to generate a 'safe retro JRPG' personality for you? Just admit your arthritic boomer ass got filtered because your brain short-circuits if you have to do anything more complex than selecting 'Attack' from a static blue menu while a 16-bit midi loops. Go back to the retirement home, grandpa, your tapioca is getting cold.
>>737862453Unironically, TWEWY has deeper gameplay than all of these.
>>737861373>whole point is that he improves as a person>extreme ADHD children/manchildren need to be stimulated and have stories resolve in five seconds
>when it's literally impossible to shitpost TWEWY in anyway besides just going "it's bad" because even trying to identify anything specific to the game will result in immediately getting proven wrongWe have had these threads thousands of times and will continue to have thousands more
>>737844980I like how flexible it was allowing to change what Lv. the enemies where at will, the different pins, how wearing brands after combat changed their popularity and many other stuff. But it filtered me hard when I tried to do more than the main story, and even the main story was a bit tough.How did they handle the combat in the ports?
>>737863291It’s awesome to have a fanbase on here that actually knows and enjoys discussing the game in detail. That alone speaks volumes to its quality
>>737862453>praises Live A Live>calls TWEWY disjointedMotherfucker, Live A Live is seven half-baked RPG Maker prototypes masquerading as a full game. The mechanics change wildly because none of them have any actual depth, and the game relies entirely on its final chapter to desperately tie a neat little bow around a disjointed, mechanical mess. TWEWY's combat loop requires more mechanical synergy and reflex coordination in its first three days than LAL's entire 25-hour runtime. If you had actually brought up Romancing SaGa, I would have at least taken your shit opinion seriously. If you dropped RS3 or Minstrel Song, it would have proven you actually respect experimental, punishing mechanics that don't hold your hand. But you didn't. You listed Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VII—the gaming equivalent of riding a tricycle with training wheels.
i think it was a mistake not to port the Switch version of TWEWY to PC/PS4
>>737862453>or the boring as fuck modern mobile port that's somehow even worse.what do you mean "somehow" it's a mobile port, how could it possibly not be worse
>>737845316It's this. /v/ swears up and down the "original is the one you want to play" but the DS version's combat simply didn't translate to the mobile version (thus, flopped), and the sequel doesn't have it (thus flopped).
>>737864291Holy based
>>737844980RUN RUN FAR AWAYYYY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FIND US TODAYYYY>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhI6E8ARVY&list=RDFvhI6E8ARVY&start_radio=1
>>737864414It's a game about two people learning to work together, so combat where the characters are on different screens using different gameplay styles to fight the same enemies works. It's also more unique as a rare example of a game that leans on the unique DS hardware a lot. That can get confusing at the worst of times, but there's a big green circle trying to show you where to look, and the CPU can just take over for one if you want.
>>737864414>the DS version's combat simply didn't translate to the mobile version (thus, flopped)Are you actually brain-damaged? No shit the combat didn't translate to mobile. The entire combat system was mastercrafted around dual-screen multitasking and managing the Light Puck. The mobile version flopped because they violently amputated half the game's mechanics to cram it onto a single piece of glass, replacing the high-skill ceiling of puck passing with a braindead Cross Combo system. Blaming the original combat for the mobile port's failure is like cutting off a marathon runner's legs and then calling him a slow runner. The original combat is a masterpiece; the single-screen hardware they ported it to was a mechanical downgrade.>and the sequel doesn't have it (thus flopped)Aw yes, NEO definitely flopped because it didn't have stylus combat, and definitely not because Square Enix sent it out to die with zero marketing budget while blowing millions on the fucking Avengers game. For God’s sake, they dropped the PC version on the Epic Games Store, what do you think was gonna happen?Furthermore, NEO's combat is great and actually DID successfully translate the frantic multi-tasking of the DS game into a 3D space but it had to do so via button inputs because dual screens literally don’t exist anymore.
>>737861202People bitch about the fact the game about teens in Shibuya was translated to have slang. No translation is "perfect" because it can never be the piece of media as it was originally created, but given how TWEWY has characters with extremely in-depth speech gimmicks like gorowase and they still come across cogently it's a masterclass.
>>737865008Also, anyone who whines that the dual screen gameplay isn’t around anymore and Neo isn’t interesting because of it is a pseud who never understood what made twewy special in the first place. There being a new gameplay system that worked with the new games narrative themes was a strength and demonstrated that the team had the same passion that made the original amazing
>>737864324.>i think it was a mistake not to port the Switch version of TWEWY to PC/PS4Look, I'm the first to admit that Final Remix is an inferior version of the DS game, but you have to look at the hardware. The game is fundamentally built around touch controls. The Switch was literally the only console on the market that could somewhat emulate the mobile port's gameplay loop via its touchscreen and Joy-Con gyro. How are you going to map frantic touch-screen slashes, taps, and drag-and-drops to a standard DualShock 4 or an Xbox controller on PC? Trying to brute-force a touch-based action RPG onto a standard PC keyboard or a PS4 pad would have resulted in an even worse downgrade. I think Squeenix is a shit-ass company but let’s be real, the control scheme would physically break on any other platform.
>>737856152Love me some Cony x Cony.
>>737852112>It won game of the year back in 2008Stuff like this makes me believe there are bot posts on /v/. Won GOTY? It was against GTA 4, Fallout 3, MGS4, Little big Planet and in Japan MH portable third. All those games won some GOTY award along with mario galaxy and cod 4 since they were released late 2007where the fuck did you hear about it winning GOTY over those massive games and others i havent listed? Cause you are very likely a sus bot until you prove otherwise
>>737865364>newfag makima posterBecause…um……it was a game of 2008
>>737865481where did it WIN game of the year tho retard kun? That what i fucking asked
>>737865158>actually understands that the combat system changing to reflect the new Shinjuku team-warfare structure is a sign of good game design>doesn't just blindly demand mechanics that only made sense for Shibuya's chaotic, hyper-individualized Reaper rulesHoly based. Brute-forcing the puck-passing mechanic into a game about squad dynamics would have completely ruined the thematic cohesion. In the original, the Shibuya Game was built entirely on individuality and chaos. The dual-screen combat worked there because it mirrored the claustrophobic narrative of forcing two isolated individuals to trust each other.But NEO is run by the Shinjuku Reapers.l and their entire culture is built on gang warfare, structured team dynamics, and territory control. If they had just copy-pasted the dual-screen puck passing into a game about a four-man squad fighting turf wars, it would have been an absolute ludonarrative failure. The new combat system perfectly fits the new narrative themes, but it’s too bad that people whining about Rindo not being able to use multiple pins at once like Neku did don’t understand that.
>>737865551It won it here, dumb *newfag*. I know chainslop man wouldn’t prepare you for this, but I was subtly hinting at the conclusion you should've been reaching
>>737865795Game of the Year can mean a lot of different things. The winner of /v/'s GOTY vote is not high on that list.
>>737844980Because it’s tied to the hardware. TWEWY only really works on a DS, anything else and the magic just evaporates.TWEWY2 is fine, whatever, but the first game still wipes the floor with it.
>>737866007Game of the Year really meant nothing back in 2008, so acting like a sperg about it instead of just asking what that anon meant was stupid
>>737866089Neo is a 9/10 and TWEWY is an 11/10
>>737866146Yeah, Neo’s a pretty damn good game, I’m not gonna pretend otherwise. But the first one on DS? That’s a whole different tier. Straight-up god‑like.
Switch 2 upgrade with mouse support when?
>>737851040If you just mash buttons, the game will politely let you scrape by while making the enemies feel like boring HP sponges. If you actually engage with the mechanics, it has one of the highest skill ceilings and most synergetic combat systems in any modern action RPG.Combat isn't just dumping pins; it's rhythm and timing. Every pin passes the combo to the next character to build your Groove (ultimate) meter. But there are hidden "Sweetspots" that double your Groove gain. A launcher pin like Vulcan Uppercut has its sweetspot at the exact apex of the enemy's launch, synergizing perfectly with the "Aerial Assault" damage multiplier. You're exponentially rewarded for sequencing combos with physical rhythm.>The Hit State EcosystemYou don't just deal damage, you manipulate physics to multiply output.>Launched/Bouncing: Popping enemies up removes their guard and opens them to massive airborne multipliers.>Chained: Trip Wire pins lock enemies in place. If you hit a chained enemy with an element they're weak to, ALL subsequent attacks do 2x elemental bonus damage.> Frozen/Entombed: If you freeze/entomb an enemy while they are knocked down or mid-attack, they sustain that hit state. You can freeze a boss mid-lunge and ping-pong them around the arena with knockback pins.>Binded: Psychs like Black Hole reset a boss's "revenge value" (counter-attack meter). You can drop a Black Hole to physically drag an enemy through the lingering hitboxes of a Fire Mashup to irrevocably melt their health bar.>Exponential ParryingYou can cast a parry shield on your party. If you physically group your trailing party members into a tight cluster right as a boss attacks, a perfect block multiplies the parry and reflects exponential damage back.And this isn’t even getting into the nuances individual pins and threads can bring to the table. It's a masterclass in crowd-control synergy if you actually bother to learn it.
>>737866146>>737866309I cannot in good conscious agree with giving TWEWY an 11/10 when week 3 exists.
>>737844980It can remain a cult classic and that’s all it needs to be, the games a perfect RPG for any teenager and all it needs is just a consistent port on the switch 2 of the DS version with new visuals and full OST from all the other versions, not everything needs a thousand sequels and god knows after how shit FF7 remake is most people don’t want that for their favourite games.
>>737866430>"To right the countless wrongs of our days…"LET ME GET PAST THIS GODDAMN AREA ALREADY FUCK
>>737866430I dont get the week 3 hate. Beat is based, and watching the Game fall apart as everything came to a head was cool
>>737866584Someone needs to make a version of this with the O Pin
>>737866606I just think Week 3 pales in comparison to a lot of the game. The boss design becomes more hit-or-miss, the mission structure becomes more repetitive as it’s basically just Neku and Beat fucking around for a couple of days while trying to find a clue, and those random Reaper encounters can go to hell.I also think Draco Cantus is a terrible final boss for the themes of the game.
>>737848076>but you can imagine TWEWY except battles are handled basically like Persona 3I can’t. I like Persona 3, but their gameplay loops are fundamentally incompatible. TWEWY is built entirely around frantic, split-second multitasking and constant forward momentum. You scan the street, instantly pull multiple Noise into a chain, melt the crowd in 140 seconds of high-APM deck synergy, and immediately jump back into the story. P3’s combat loop is a slow, methodical dungeon crawl of scanning weaknesses and buffing. Forcing TWEWY's fast-paced Shibuya street culture into a turn-based grid where Neku politely waits in a line for a Noise to attack him would completely castrate the pacing of the Reaper's Game.
>>737866912Like I said, it's not going to be better that way. Even if it's not better, enough people like turn based RPGs that it wouldn't be very hard to convince them to play another one.
>>737866430> "To write the countless thongs of… dammit!"That line alone makes Week 3 worth it.…Though honestly, I can’t remember if it was Week 2 or 3 anymore. It’s been so long lol.
>>737861373That's the point dumbass.
>>737844980The fuck are you talking about? There was no gacha or anime.
>>737869625There was an anime though
Neku is such a cutie. If i was in the twewy universe and i saw him walking down the street I would rape his tight little ass
>>737844980>did just okay sales wiseBecause piracy killed sales >mobile versions flopped hardBecause the gameplay couldn't get ported Also the game is a cult classic
>>737865008>Aw yes, NEO definitely flopped because it didn't have stylus combat, and definitely not because Square Enix sent it out to die with zero marketing budget while blowing millions on the fucking Avengers game. For God’s sake, they dropped the PC version on the Epic Games Store, what do you think was gonna happen?Different anon here, I played the sequel - they actually managed to make a really solid combat system that's different from the original but actually really cool in its own right. The problem with the actual game itself though is that the writing and new character designs (except for the one girl whose design was first shown ages before the game was finished) are all absolute dogshit. The new characters all look and act like two-bit background extras, the main characters have nothing interesting about them, and they assassinate the personalities of previous characters trying to shoehorn them in. The marketing budget didn't help but it would have flopped even if they shilled it everywhere and the reason they didn't market it is probably because they realized it wouldn't be worth it.It's a shame because the game actually did figure out how to transition the combat system into non-touchscreen medium pretty well, it's just everything else suffered.The music was also only alright.
>>737869770that's necrophilia
It released on the DS during the era where flash carts were rampant and easily accessible.
>Gimme, gimme chance>Gimme, gimme chance>Gimme, gimme chance>Gimme, gimme chance>Gimme chance, dig me deep>Gimme chance, dig me deep>Gimme chance, dig me deep>Trust me with your words>Gimme chance, dig me deep>Gimme chance, dig me deep>Gimme chance, dig me deep>TELL ME WHO YOU ARE! Sorry but the whole soundtrack is pure kino. Cope if you disagree.
>>737845132>Gameplay filtered millionsftfy
>>737845790I thought it was as good as the original personally. However it's a VERY direct sequel. You have to play the original to know what's going on in the story
>>737844980The original game was meant to be one and done. The phone games were actual games instead of gacha so they were dead on arrival. And the sequel was both lower quality than the original and have basically zero marketing.
>>737844980The second game went too safe and it turned out boring. In the first game it was also boring too but at least I had Shiki's outrageous tummy to keep me playing.
>>737846762I really, really, really like this pic
>>737870129Congrats, you have dogshit opinions. Do you want a cookie?
>>737870129>the main characters have nothing interesting about themThis is a massive self-report that you need a character's flaws screamed directly into your face in the first ten minutes to understand them. Just because Rindo isn't a misanthrope screaming "I don't get people" doesn't mean he's uninteresting. Rindo's crippling apathy and reliance on others to make his choices, and Fret's toxic positivity and refusal to engage with heavy emotions, are incredibly grounded, modern character flaws. They actually have to slowly unlearn their defensive coping mechanisms throughout the game. You don't want character arcs; you want one-dimensional tropes.>they assassinate the personalities of previous characters trying to shoehorn them inAre you actually functionally illiterate? Who did they assassinate? You mean Neku? You mean the guy whose entire character arc in the first game was learning to take off his headphones, trust his partners, and expand his worldview? If Neku showed up in NEO acting like the exact same edgy, closed-off loner he was on Day 1 of the original game, that would be character assassination. He grew up. Beat is still an impulsive loudmouth, but he naturally evolved into the mentor role that the Twisters needed him to be.>the reason they didn't market it is probably because they realized it wouldn't be worth itAh yes, Square Enix, a company famously known for their flawless foresight, brilliant quality control, and knowing exactly when a game is bad. They definitely pulled NEO's marketing because of "bad writing," which is exactly why they proudly blew tens of millions of dollars aggressively shilling Balan Wonderworld, Babylon's Fall, Forspoken, and the live-service Avengers game to the absolute moon.
>the same five spergs circlejerking and samefagging this forgotten crappy series like broken recordsYep, it's an average TWEWY thread on /v/ alright. Good job fellas, same time next week?
>>737878468>complains about people circlejerking a "forgotten" game>is actively bumping the thread just to whine about itThanks for keeping it on page 1, genius.
>>737878638It doesn't matter what I or anyone else does, you and your sperg soulmates will keep repeating these threads endlessly whenever you feel the pain in your empty hearts of being abandoned by Square Enix.
>>737878714>got two excellent games that I enjoy talking about>causes you to impotently seethe for eternityI’ve received infinite entertainment, why would I be upset? That’s your job, apparently
>>737878714>abandoned by Square EnixYou say that like it's a bad thing. Being "abandoned" by modern Square Enix is the greatest blessing this franchise could have ever received. We got two absolute kick-ass games with a complete, satisfying narrative arc that didn't get milked into oblivion. Do you genuinely think I want the people who shat out Balan Wonderworld, Babylon's Fall, and the Avengers live-service abortion to keep their hands on this IP? I'd rather the series rest in peace with dignity as a perfect duology than watch Square Enix turn Shibuya into a live-service nightmare with a premium battle pass.
All of these answers give a piece, but there's really one major reason: it's far too niche in presentation.Never mind the controls already being unique, most people will look at a game and decide based on aesthetic alone. TWEWY fits the Grind Fiction/Shibuya Punk aesthetic as one of the progenitors. Every game with this kind of edgy, 00s art style with a focus on street fashion, punk music, and graffiti-inspired art has and always will struggle to find a wider audience. I don't know why, I don't know how, but there's a reason shit like this or Jet Set Radio are seen as dark horse favorites. It's for outcasts, for people who don't quite fit in. People that rub against the norms of society.Maybe this is reading too much into it, but every game with this aesthetic struggles to be more than a cult classic, and there has to be a reason.
>>737866407I still find it funny how they shilled FF16 as being made by the same guys behind DMC only for it to get outclassed mechanics-wise by a game with the budget of two milkshakes and spare change.
>>737873107japanese twister>english twisterthe simple fact NEO lacks the japanese version makes it a bad game
>>737879246Sorry anon, I’m too busy jamming out to Owari-Hajimari NEO mix to care. THERE WOULDN’T BE NO NEW SCHOOL IF IT WASN’T FOR DA OLD SCHOOL.
>>737879069I don’t know what it is with Square trying to reinvent the wheel with every major release. If they want FF to be arpg for the foreseeable future they should just make VIIR combat with some variations the standard template cause it was way better than just extremely diet dmc like XVI.
>>737879069It is genuinely embarrassing that Square gave Yoshi-P a blank check and the Devil May Cry 5 combat director, only for the game to get mechanically washed by a sequel funded with pocket lint and a half-eaten sandwich. You literally just play an MMO rotation simulator, spamming Square and waiting for your Eikon cooldowns to refresh so you can stagger the sponge boss again (who you can’t launch BTW). There are no elemental weaknesses, zero party control, and absolutely no build synergy. Meanwhile, NEO hands you 300+ pins, distinct hit-state manipulation, and forces you to orchestrate an entire party's inputs simultaneously. The fact that a "budget" game has infinitely more build variety and actual action RPG depth than the $70 PS5 system-seller is the ultimate indictment of modern Square Enix. Fuck’s sake, NEO has wallsplats while FF16 doesn’t. HOW DOES THE GAME DIRECTLY INSPIRED BY DMC NOT HAVE MORE DISTINCT HIT STATES? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.
>>737879520Jack’s game was also a better FF ARPG than 16 too. God bless mid-budget kino.
>>737879829What are some other kick-ass AA Squeenix games? I really loved NEO and Strangers.
>>737879246https://youtu.be/_MKs_j2D4bE>Morning RAYS, Hairspray QUEENS>Get on their way to their NESTS, the WEST>HONEST, they once had a dream!>Belles of SOCIETY, in the shells of their UNITY>Cornet'n spinet>The SOUND... flows, follows till they're home">Dragged by the power of DREAMS>T h a t p o w e r i s y e t ~UNKWON~I don’t know, man. I just really love Engrish in my Japanese games.
was this guy just the devs making fun of SE higher-ups like Nomura and Yoshi P?feels like naming him Kubo was just another layer of parody added to the pile
It is a good thing TWEWY cane out when it did, as it was still acceptable then to translate games. Imagine YunYun Denpa Syndrome-style localization, where the game is changed to be set in the US, and all traces of Japan are removed
>>737880128Who-bo? I don't remember anyone in TWEWY like that
>>737880128>says EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED>softlocks my game
>>737880128Pretty sure he’s a shout-out to Tabata, actually.
>>737844980completely mismanaged as an IP. There was a sequel that noone knew was coming until it shadow-dropped out of nowhere.
>>737880367No wonder Squeenix sent NEO out to die lmao
>>737880367Actually insane if that's how it is.Also it never occurred to me until now how fucking good it is that Kubo is likely just some corporate stooge expy all so the devs can vent how they hate corporate meddling
>>737880367>>737880535>>737880441It gets even more hilarious.
>first game is all about how artists can be uncompromising and controlling>second game is all about how corporate yes man don’t speak their mind and enable malicious idiotsA third game to complete Sho’s story would be great, but these two work perfectly as outlets for the teams’ personal frustrations that I don’t think a third game really could
>>737880729>once I submitted the completed design, they got really excitedFucking hell NomuraNever doubt this man's brilliance
>>737880828I mean, with how TWEWY and other games have been mishandled by Squeenix, as well as the rise of AI, I’m sure the devs can find plenty of material to work with. Hell, they even predicted it somewhat with Motoi/An0ther.
>>737844980It was too self-contained and reliant on the DS gimmick and I think they explored everything they wanted to do with that mechanic. No really they did. You had to blow into the mic sometimes and I think close it?
>>737845132That plus it's too weab. I could tell a girl that I liked Kingdom Hearts but not TWEWY
>>737881246I like how they had Motoi as a representative for modern influencers that tries to get the kid that looked up to him to take the fall for his actions yet he’s still somehow more empathetic and likable than a lot of actual IRL influencers.
>>737880828>>737881246TWEWY is one of those passion projects that I don't see happening until:1) Nomura has a damn good idea (and like you both mentioned, there's plenty of material to drive a core theme that plays well into the previous two)2) SE is willing to swallow the costs of putting out a guaranteed flop since the anime/NEO did little to really propel the franchiseI'm sure Nomura will be able to pull some strings once he's good and ready.
>>737844980Because Square Enix themselves sabotaged the franchise on purpose.
>>737880367>>737880729ah that makes senseit really reminded me of someone from SE but I couldn't really figure out who
>>737848076>I wanted to pick another RPG set in modern day JapanWhy not just make a good point instead of comparing two completely different games. You're making no sense.
>>737881364>complains about TWEWY being too weeb but gives Kingdom Fucking Hearts a pass
>>737881364>I could tell a girl that I liked Kingdom Hearts but not TWEWY???
>>737845790The combat is pretty good, you can conjure so much synergy with your pins even early game that it almost makes you feel like the game has unlimited potential and the fusion mechanic makes it so building to 300% isn't the best solution for every problem which is great design, but it has a few problems like your party members not dodging an attack despite them not doing anything at the moment (they'll dodge 95% of the time but you will remember all the 5% times they didn't), enemy variety is inferior to the first game and a lot of the pins reuse the same frame dataStructure gets incredibly repetitive (on top of time travel doubling down on this issue) and you'll hate every scramble slamCharacters are a mixed bag, Beat came out good from where he left off, Minamimoto is pretty much the same and Neku drops in so late that he feels more like a plot device than anything despite the narrative hyping him up to hell and back Music is pretty good but not as good as the first game's (you also can't buy any tracks from the first game despite them using those at a few key moments)Another Day sucks ass compared to the first gameNo Tin Pin Slammer or any cool minigame for that matterAnd as a side note, if you come back to playing the game much later you're gonna get bodied until you come to grips with the gameplay againOverall it's really good for a sequel that came 13 years late
>>737881425I mean yeah, say what you will about the guy but at least he isn’t trying to actively groom minors. Which is admittedly the lowest of bars to clear but still.
>>737880828I’m sad the chances of chances of a third game are virtually zero so we’ll probably never get a protag to with shades or something to represent “see no evil” and complete the trifecta.
>>737881364You can tell a girl that you play a game with Donald Duck and Goofy as your party members while running around as a kid with spiky hair while somehow not being able to extend that same grace towards a game where you run around as a kid with spiky hair in modern day Tokyo?
>>737881826To be somewhat fair to anon, Disney adults are a thing. It’s a flawed mindset to have but it’s real. They can accomplish the mental gymnastics to try making playing Kingdom Hearts work but still turn their nose on other animeseque games somehow.
>>737865008>Square Enix sent it out to die with zero marketing budget while blowing millions on the fucking Avengers gameWhatever happend with the TWEWY anime adaptation? That must have cost millions as well, right? And it did fuck all for marketing outside of Japan, that's for sure.I stopped watching after I saw Neku getting "possessed" to want to kill Shiki instead of him just being a cold bastard on Day 2. It's a shitty adaption just for that.
>>737874358kek
Heh, angry youse will never get to play with my massive fun bags and drink my nipple nectar eh /v/?
>>737881956My main issue with that scene is how it completely takes away the agency of Neku’s actions. He didn’t WANT to kill Shiki but he was being blackmailed with the threat of his own death and got into that situation due to a combination of his hastiness and paranoia in not wanting to trust Shiki.
>>737881319A few pins used the mic and one pig noise could only be killed by closing the DS, yes
>>737861067The localization actually worked extremely well, even if it's not 1:1 with the nip version.
>>737844980Square just had unrealistic expectations for it. In their eyes a franchise spearheaded by Nomura should be doing FF/KH numbers otherwise theyre better off keeping Nomura on their FF/KH teams since those IP will sell regardless. They might be able to justify continuing the franchise if they delegate it to the B tier studios working on octopath and bravely but these studios have almost no experience with the IP and training them would probably cost more than having them just shit out more of what theyre already good at
>>737861067Maybe in the steam forums, I never looked it upI know for a fact NexusMods wouldn't have it because it's hatespeech or whatever
>>737865349I don't remember what this pin does, but I do remember using it a ton
>>737882267and then Neku is forced to apologise by Hanekoma for something he was forced into doing and then Shiki forced him to take his pants off. I don't blame Neku one bit for being an ass
>>737878926It's weird that the aesthetic of Persona is acceptable to normalfags but not the TWEWY aethetic. I wonder where Kingdom Hearts fits in too. I feel like normalfags love the Disney aesthetics but just put up with the Nomura aesthetic in that game.
>>737882571Gravity shurikens. Really fun pin.
>>737882693
>>737882726Right, good shit
>>737882693Persona feels like the only one that broke into the mainstream, and I can guarantee you the biggest contributor? Waifu/Husbando and self-insert shit.Normies can date and build relationships with the various characters and simulate a high school life? Where can they sign up?
>>737878926>TWEWY fits the Grind Fiction/Shibuya Punk aesthetic as one of the progenitors. Every game with this kind of edgy, 00s art style with a focus on street fashion, punk music, and graffiti-inspired art has and always will struggle to find a wider audience.Splatoon exists
>>737844980Because it sucked and the fanbase is like 30 vocal autistic retards
>>737882726I really gotta replay this. I feel like I only scratched the surface of the combat system when I first played because I was too invested in the story and was just running from day to day. Some of the later bosses really kicked my ass due to this, as well.I never really picked up on how good the elemental sync attacks were and treated 300% like a win condition which made the system honestly pretty boring.
>>737881364naw dude, my gf broke up with her ex because he had kingdom heart shit in his room. not even joking and she's super autistic and even then keyblades were a huge ick.
>>737882938The 300% is just the "oh fuck I'm gonna die" button, reallyIn most cases you'll want to use the 200% or even the 100% since I don't think anything is immune to status effects
>>737882938Killer Remixes is the noob pick when a good chunk of the time, Mashups are both way more fun to combo into AND can shit out more damage.
>>737881491>>737881551>>737881826No idea about zoomies but millennial women love Kingdom Hearts. If you had sisters or ever talked to any women about games you would know that. Because Disney, that's the only reason they need.
>>737882889This is true, but it seems like the exception that proves that anon’s rule. And the edge is sanded off, so it’s not an exact fit. The most popular band in the world of splatoon are two idols pretending to be sisters. It’s not punk. Splatoon is based though
>>737882989Playing a game and decorating your space with vidya collectibles are two different things.
>>737882989If Chad had Kingdom Hearts shit in his room she would be wet
>>737883196If you want some other examples theres zenless zone zero and the newest street fighter. Punk adjacent games can work its just that Japanese developers are too obsessed with fantasy euroslop and feudal era slop to explore anything else
>>737883584Didn’t Zenless Zone Zero kind of nix the urban stuff in recent updates, though?
>>737883584Yeah but the gameplay in those two (especially SF6 when compared to prior entries) suck
>>737883584You’re listing incredibly superficial examples. ZZZ has cop waifus, it is not punk at all, and neither has a 2000s aesthetic. Anon wasn’t saying a game fails the moment it uses grafitti
>>737844980Those games apppeal exclusivly to 13 year old middle schoolers. That's not a broad enough demographic that brings big sales.
>>737884696>stories only appeal to the demographic that’s the same as their protagonistslmao
>>737856152
>>737884696yeah pretty much. i mean look at all the underaged kids in this thread
It's a good thing it didn't. It didn't need to be franchise. The game was perfectly self-contained and Neo already drags it down. No need to keep dragging back characters to be prostituted over and over in increasingly unnecessary and uninspired sequels, prequels, meta-remakes and expanded universes.
>>737884935Projection is not a healthy look for you, anon.
>>737884964You just proved his point.
>>737885006>hisLmao
Hypothetically, what would have happened if Neku and Shiki got naked after they completed a mission and started having sex? Would Hanekoma and/or the Reapers step in and shut it down/force them to stop? Are they allowed to have sex?
>>737884937>No need to keep dragging back characters to be prostituted over and over in increasingly unnecessary and uninspired sequels, prequels, meta-remakes and expanded universes.Why do you fags act like TWEWY keeps doing the equivalent of KH across TWO GAMES? Shit, it even makes a point to show how the new cast, particularly Rindo, overly relying on the previous crew is a BAD thing.
>>737844980Because they waited 15 years to make a sequel and by the time it was out nobody alive remembered the first game existed
>>737885006TWEWY is legally old enough to vote at this point. This is not the gotcha you think it is.
>>737885259Classic
>>737844980Really liked the first game but it's a 7/10 at best. The gameplay is awsome but the story is pants on head retarded like in every SE game. Wanted to try Neo but didn't like the change in timeframe desu. Nothing against 2010s Japan but 2000s Japan is just way cooler
>>737884937Sequels to games without cliffhanger endings can’t drag them down if you have a functioning brain
>>737885293>but the story is pants on head retarded like in every SE game. How? And explain in a way that doesn’t out you as having your IQ in two digits.
>>737885358It’s going to be something incredibly surface-level and nonsensical. Just wait. It’s always the same thing in these threads.
>>737885293>but the story is pants on head retarded like in every SE game. Where did this meme that TWEWY doesn’t have a good story keep coming from? It’s a pretty good character study on a traumatized, lonely kid realizing that he DOES want to genuinely connect with other people again and that he shouldn’t be afraid to with some solid social commentary on the side.
>>737885112it literally kept neku in a purgatory personally i thought that was an awful decision considering the ending of the first game before that abortion of an epilogue
>>737885902And he gets out just fine in NEO and acts as a foil to Rindo to contrast his arc.
>>737885358I don't have the mental strength to talk about everything, but in short, it's typical autistic high concept shlock about muh le universe rules with alt realities, amnesia, dimensional beings, gods, and all that jazz. It was ok at the start, but it got more and more stupid and contrived with time, and also really chunni. Not as bad as Kingdom Hearts, but still pretty bad.
>>737885112NEO sometimes felt like the Star Trek reboots where they wanted to be able to point at recurring character(s) to say this is technically a sequel, but the story wasn't about them and it usually would've been better if the new characters could stand on their own.
>>737885983>nothing of actual substance said I doubt you have the mental strength to even post half the time without someone probably assisting you.
>>737885979yeah 3 years isolated from the relationships the first game constantly emphasized building to the point of chucking his headphones very thematicwas clearly just a hasty rewrite because they had a different story in mind, and a very poor one at that.
>>737885983>le universe rules with alt realities, amnesia, dimensional beings, gods, and all that jazzNone of these are inherently bad though. Hell, the amnesia elements in both Neku and Rhyme’s characters actually pretty well into their characters and the relationships they have. You’re not making any sense.
>>737885983why are twewyfags so emotionally attached to the shitty shlock writing and stories in those games anyway. same with khfags
>>737885983You’re literally just complaining about tropes instead of actually examining HOW the story actually uses those tropes. Why did I expect anything different from a Naofag?
>>737885293we need more games set in 2000s Japan. we need more gyarus
>>737886189I’m just saying that’s its embarrassing for that people, like you and the waifufag you’re replying to, somehow don’t get the story of a game made for teens.
>>737886189>why won’t people agree with me?! Wahhhhhh :’(lol
>>737885983>chuuni badyou almost had me anon good job
>>737885985The whole point of the story was about the main character learning to stand up for himself. It's not at all like the Star Trek reboots
>>737885983I don't like those things, but the actual plot isn't very out there. A few people are thrown into a death game, and the plot is about surviving and eventually ending that game. It relies on some chuuni shit to explain how that works, but most of it is a team of 2 trying to do whatever they can to survive.
>>737886257*raises glass*hear hear
>737885983>mentally weak
>>737885983>it has concepts that inherently annoy me so it's objectively shitSo you're autistic?
>>737885293>>737886257>Jap make a game featuring a gyaru girl>She's always a side character instead of the main heroineI hate this. Japs are such hacks. What do I need to do to get a Jap game with a Gyaru heroine?
twewyfags are so easy to trigger. lol
>>737885983>alt realities, amnesia, dimensional beings, gods, and all that jazzYou just described most elements of the Bible. Almost every story can sound stupid if you just boil it down to a few elements and is usually the sign of a weak cognitive function.
>>737886189>why don't people just accept vague and conclusory arguments when they can articulate their reasons for disagreeingThe best part of TWEWY threads is seeing the average low IQ Anon completely befuddled by a game that isn't just shitposting fodder and has genuine fans that have played it. It's such a complete departure from the social media/politics threads they are used to.
>>737885983>Not enjoying pure over the top mid 2000s Chunni KINOYou are weak. Your genes are weak.Your family is weak.You will not survive the winter.
>>737885983>hating 2000s chunni kinoWeakling
>>737844980lack of marketing
>>737855565They chased off, fired or just hampered anyone with any semblance of vision to make the most generic weabooshit possible. I say this as someone that is a big fan of their DrakenNier, FF games (until XII) and weird side projects like Chains of Fate, Vagrant Story, Brave Fencer Musashi. Square Enix is just one of the lot of companies, Japanese and Western, fell for the AAA money pit rather than just making A and AA games for the most part and relegating AAA games for that one big title everyone would be excited for. It's sort of like how Bungie, Bethesda and id used to be known for more than 1 or 2 IPs. I think the Japanese are in a better state since their games aren't oriented towards state of the art tech and focus mostly on the gameplay and style, but there has been a definite decline in creativity in the gaming world as a whole.
>>737887481Which was cooler?
>>737844980I vaguely recall Square Enix spending nearly the entireties of one of the last E3s promoting their garbage GAAS Marvel slop that eventually bombed, and they barely gave NEO - which would come out in just another month - only a few seconds on a sizzle reel, if that.
>>737887481>>737888026OG TWEWY gets props for the final attack being more cooler aesthetic wise but 999 Groove is way more hype-inducing.
>>737880441I mean, that Nomura said it was bad that consumers liked Tabata's game and that they were idiots, and killed off the director who betrayed him in the form of Whobo really did something to Square. The suits taking offense at successfully making a transgressive game like Versus 13 into something more mass market friendly only made them hate Nomura more. Their dream is to have everything as safe as 15 was with no weird mid budget anything (I guess this is relevant to >>737887761) and become a Ubisoft or Bioware with Nomura character designs.>>737880729>>737881443NEO's actually the events of the Versus to 15 retool from the point of view of the team. Nomura's POV is Stranger of Paradise.
>>737844980Sequel flopped because it was made like 15 years after the original and since they missed the 3DS era it also lacked the one unique feature of the game.
>>737888213>the one unique feature of the game>not the pin systems>not the way leveling and food is handled >not the chain encounter system >not about how brands works>not about shopkeepers
>>737845790>no tin pin slammerInto the trash it goes
>>737888127It’s funny how all of Nomura’s work since Versus has been a fuck you about what happened with Versus, complete with Not-tis being inserted into KH3 and seemingly being a focus of the franchise going forward
TWEWY fanbase reminds me a lot of Danganronpafags. I like the game personally but talking about it online, there's a bunch of "oh you didn't like x about Neo? You didn't understand it then" and that's some cornball shit.
>>737888446people are going to discuss opinions and disagree with you, why are you so sensitive?
>>737888532You didn't understand my post. See how that's like?
>>737888281The interplay of adjusting your level, adjusting the difficulty, chaining battles and the way drop rate is effected is mechanical brilliance. Should have become standard for the genre, but most devs aren’t that intelligent/talented, I guess
Can I just watch chapter 8 on YouTube? Or is the remake acceptable enough?
>>737888446>passionate fans get mad when people say dumb, surface-level shit about the games they likeFlawless deductive reasoning.
>>737888127>>737888376Reading this again god damn everything is downstream from Versus isn't it?>Nomura lost his team AND his best friends>the market called him cringe>every person who bought the game they were fired from liked that 15 had everything he wanted replaced with everything he didn't want in a game>no seriously, people liked 15 because it was safe and far away from the edgy real life issues based Versus concept>the company wants him to make games like this for the rest of his life, with no story input and only character designs>the younger devs all love him and want him to manager their projects but are also hamstrung by consumers and corporate suits>his work father tried to speak with him through a video game narrative where he designed the villain org while his work mother designed a fish man>even Yoshi-P made a dark political commentary Final Fantasy and it only found some success with normies>Yoshi-P has been sympathetic to Nomura ever since he started work on itThe more I elaborate this the more I sound like Stellafag but you can tell the industry is rigged against Nomura.
>>737844980>>Original game on DS did just okay sales wiseBecame a cult classic which is how >>mobile versions flopped hardWhen do mobile ports ever do well?>>the gacha game flopped hard and was shut down quickly???>>nobody watched the animeanime adaptation of a cult classic is not going to blow up charts>>sequel flopped hardSquare deliberately sabotaged the marketing for it. They admitted in an investor report the marketing was a factor in the poor sales but the gamer reviews were well received and satisfactory.It' a fantastic IP, it's on Square to cultivate the franchise. >>737845240 I personally wouldn't want it to become like Persona but I wouldn't mind seeing TWEWY being considered Square's answer to Persona purely on the basis of a story of a teen in a metropolitan setting going on an adventure of character growth.
>>737888557The difference is that people talk in depth about the game instead of lying for a poorly phrased rhetorical point
>>737887481Minamimoto is peak chuuni but otherwise, I kinda feel like the message is almost anti-chuuni.
Sex with Shoka
>>737888818>>737888729sus again, I think you can tell when something it's an intentional shitpost. But damn TWEWYfags act like such victims
RELEASE THE SECRET REPORTS
>>737888861
>>737846064>Square Enix held a limited event at ARTINA that was originally planned to be where TWEWY2 would be revealedI remember following the event on this board constantly refreshing to get any news since it was such a left field and spontaneous event that you'd think they would make some massive announcement. Now I have closure. Thank you anon.
>>737888882>you act like victims>”someone disagreed with me and tried to discuss it, and I’ve never gotten over it :(“lol
>>737888987exactly the shit I mean. This is really only a problem in FFXIV and TWEWY threads.
>>737883105God.I really hate damage flurries.I want single numbers.
>>737888757> his work father tried to speak with him through a video game narrative where he designed the villain org while his work mother designed a fish manplease elaborate
>>737888858It's anti using media, in Neku's case music and graffiti, as a way to enjoy the fruits of someone's labor without ever talking to anyone. Doing that is a bit chuuni, but the important part there is talking to people.
>>737864291based
>>737856152>Post your pinfuDunno why you wanna see it but here you go
>>737889068You came in here to cry about previous discussions instead of talk about the video game. Sorry you don’t actually enjoy video game discussion, but your projection of ego fragility is ridiculous. If you have something you want to discuss about twewy, feel free. Otherwise, go to therapy
>>737889315not disproving the point. is it autism?
>>737889375>unintelligent gotcha attemptsbazinga
>>737886808>no social link in reloadbiggest missed opportunity desu
>>737884696>Those games apppeal exclusivly to 13 year old middle schoolers.That's pretty much all media these days.
>>737853917Is that Togami from Super Danganronpa 2?
>>737889448js for next time you probably shouldn't reply or you're literally getting gotcha'd and then acknowledging the gotcha doesn't help because you got gotcha'd
>>737889663>>737889448
Breaking Free
>>737889198It's Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Soraya SaGa designed Gorg and she and her husband taught Nomura everything he knew. Sakaguchi wanted him under Kitase for FF7 though after rejecting the original pitch Soraya and her husband put forward because it was too dark and complicated for Final Fantasy. Like father like son lmao
>>737889094Wrong franchise for that lmao
>>737844980>why is it shitTouch controls. Many such cases.
>>737845790no, the dialogues are made up by trannylatorsbuy, leave a negative review, refund and pirate
>>737888757>>no seriously, people liked 15 because it was safe and far away from the edgy real life issues based Versus conceptI can tell you, at least personally, I knew very little about what was going on behind the scenes and was expecting XV to basically be Versus XIII, just because of the advertisements and the rebrandingI was very disappointed with the actual game.
>>737890337The touch controls for OG TWEWY was part of why it was so good in the first place. Imagine trying to do Entanglement or Splash Core combos with standard controls.
>>737890519>nothing at all about gameplay As to be expected from modern /v/
>>737888882>"This is wrong and here is my reasoning why"Why is being able to articulate disagreement such a foreign concept? Being able to actually make an argument isn't an act of hostility nor is it acting like a victim. I get that 99.99% of threads are genuinely stupid people or bad-faith shitposters (i.e. also retards) but all people are doing here is>this is what happens in the game, explain how that fits what you just claimed
>>737850750FFXVI also had the fortune teller predictions involved with the emperor subplot. XVI was full of KH devs and XII devs on top of the XIV devs, many of whom also worked together on a Nomura project.
>>737888757Someone was bitching about Nomura sometimes ago, so another autist decided to bring up counter information about him in his defense, using past interview and released news and all.Let just say it's basically square fucking over him over and over again. While his inability to say no to any of his boss request plays into his predicament, he can't even quit because his predecessor made request for him to take care of the younger generation, something he can't even do thanks to how bullshit the management at the SE were(and still is).
>>737891472>he can't even quit because his predecessor made request for him to take care of the younger generationShit, do you have a name? There was a Nomura before Nomura?
>>737881460The fact that they're completely different WAS his point. One is orthodox and simple. The other is very weird and unique. Advertising the one people already understand is easier than the other.
>>737891571He means gooch. Firing him because of one disastrous project (Spirits Within) pretty much put SE in the position they've been in for the past 25 years, which is why the company became so reluctant to part with senior staff that they let Nomura seethe publicly about their dirty laundry without disciplining him in any way.
>>737891571It's been age since I saw that thread, so the details isn't clear, but if my memory were right, it should be someone within this >>737890024, if not a combination of all of themthat autist anon made at least around 20 post in total detailing everything regard Nomura treatment in square enix, it was an accumulation of past interview related to Nomura in one way or another.If I remember correctly, it was a thread bitching about FF7 remake blaming everything on Nomura while turning blind eye to SE
>>737891472>Let just say it's basically square fucking over him over and over again.NTA, idk if it's so cut and dry. Some of the relationship between Square and Nomura seems to be Square covering their own asses in a way that's pretty understandable even if it's disappointing to me as a fan of Nomura, but some of what's gone on also seems to be Square protecting Nomura from Disney and in some cases the market or other parties that don't like him. But yea the tl;dr is it's hard to be an artist with a vision.
>>737880367>>737880729This certainly explains this quote ages ago.
>>737890705When you think about it, psychs like Entanglement and Splash Core imply a LOT about Neku’s frankly terrifying mental bandwidth.>to use a chain/barbed wire effectively, Neku has to mentally map out the precise trajectory of multiple interlocking lines across a 3D space. He isn't just hitting a point; he’s drawing complex, overlapping pathways through the air and calculating how they will wrap around or intersect with a moving target.>The Noise aren't standing still. To entangle them, Neku has to predict their flight paths and ground movements, charting the chains to be where the enemy is going to be, rather than where they currently are.>In the clip, he’s deploying the chains while simultaneously tracking multiple other enemies (the bird Noise hovering nearby), maintaining his own footing, and staying hyper-aware of his surroundings so he doesn't get blindsided.Dude has an almost supercomputer-level ability to visualize geometry and physics.
>>737844980Because it's a dumb, edgy, annoying, mid-wit franchise with nonsense character designs where the only redeeming feature is the decent music, and if we're talking games with a "street" theme with good music, Jet Set Radio is superiour in every fucking way.TWEWY at its best was never better than the most mediocre Kingdom Hearts game you can think of.
>>737891669Yes, turn based combat draws in a larger audience than "touch screen but also with buttons because there's two separate battles simultaneously but in some ways they're the same battle." I thought of Final Fantasy as an example first, but Final Fantasy changes gameplay so much there's not one obvious type of "Final Fantasy battle system." Persona 3, 4 and 5 all play close enough to each other that it's pretty easy to understand what Persona combat usually is. It also helps that both are about teenagers in a modern Japanese city.
>>737892302I don't care if he's still seething about Versus ehat he did to KH3 is criminal and he really should have remained a simpel character designer given how the second he wasn't issued a tard wrangler he started to come up with the most retarded things ever (see: any game after KH2)
>>737892506Who at Square should direct these games?
>>737892359Legendary Player for a reason, baby. I know that Neku knowing the square root of 3 to the 7th decimal point was mostly a Japanese number mnemonic thing but I like to think that he is legitimately that smart to boot. It gives more credence to Joshua picking him as his proxy and his Imagination.
>>737844980Who cares? By a fluke, 00s Squeenix made the best RPG on DS, and then somehow lucked into making a competent home console sequel years later instead of making something that outright ruins the IP. You have two great games, and you still sound like you're asking for more?
>>737892365>Jet Set Radio is superiour in every fucking way.I like Jet Set Radio and even I don’t believe this.
>>737892365>>737890729
>>737892365>Complains about midwits>Is a midwitMany such cases.
>>737892365>worst KH is “mediocre”>KH fan coping with how his franchise went to shitIt’s okay, anon, I wish the games were still good too
>>737892613>Sho isn't even that good at math he's just an autist
>>737891923>>737892003I scoured the archives. It's Koichi Ishii. He made the Mana games but picked Nomura on FFXI. I could post the writings you're talking about since someone already brought up Stellafag and Xeno but one post that caught my eye was that Sakaguchi made him do all the pixel art and other shit for I and it happened but not as much for the other 2 NES FF games. He got tired of it and left to make Mana but knew Nomura was a major talent in the room and probably knew that he was doing the same shit he was.>Koichi Ishii [of Mana] told him to cement or maintain SquareSOFT's old culture for new devs before he put up Grezzo.>That's why Nomura stayed.>I don't want to add to your pasta but I have no choice so do what you want with this but Ishii was in the exact same position Nomura was in for VII and VIII when he worked on I. He led the initial game design, basic story concepts, almost all the background graphic design and even helped Kazuko Shibuya out with the character graphic design before Amano. He was essentially doing everything while Sakaguchi was finishing his last projects using his design documents. He knows what it's like. He also said Takai was the only other person doing the same thing so take that for what you will
>>737892359Don’t forget about Irregular Note. Imagine how much mental bullshit you have to do to even predict THAT.
>>737892613Wasn’t part of the reason Joshua even picked Neku because he legitimately does have great potential and capability to do amazing things but he chooses to waste that away just staring at graffiti walls all day?
>>737892757Dear lord what happened to Stellafag?
>>737892506Tabata fired his tard wranglers. Problem is they all said yes to what Nomura wanted to do anyway which is precisely how we got KH2, and they told Square execs that they would all quit the Disney game or even Square if it wasn't directed by Nomura.
>>737892506>>737893037A part of me is becoming convinced he made KH3 bad on purpose because of Disney. I shouldn't say more yet.
Massive fucking stupidity. >Old game version was on DS which was of course niche mobile>The only 'complete' version of the game was on Switch, Final Mix, and it didn't come with JP audio, stupidly.>They release Neo TWEWY which is a direct sequel that requires knowledge of the previous game, on platforms that did not have the original one to play for the most part >They stupidly take ages to port it to PC but do the Epic Store exclusivity shitburger first >much later finally bring it to SteamNone of this fixes the fact that there is still now original game Final Mix available on PC or many other platforms yet they wonder why people don't buy a direct sequel. Squeenix is stupid and uneven as all hell. Its just like how Bravely Default HD Remaster (and Bravely Second) SHOULD have been released on PC years ago long before Bravely Default II came out. Bravely Default II comes out, despite not being a direct sequel, yet most people ignore it because it has a 2 in its name because they can't find the previous and then SE wonders why and thinks people just don't like it. SE makes this uneven stupidness all the time.
>>737893191Problem is one of those same KH2 devs was a supervisor for the combat system in vanilla 3. The moment he left the combat system improved. Wonder why Nomura got him and not Mitsunori Takahashi. I think the person who worked with him in the end worked on the shit Lightning games after KH2.
>>737893306We might be talking past each other. I'm suggesting that, if you feel a sense that people's "hearts weren't in it" with KH3, there might be a tangible reason for that. Of course I can't say what I'm really thinking yet, but I wish I could.
>>737893585Which loops back to my point. The KH2 dev who ruined KH3 chose to work on Ever Crisis. There's a chance Nomura knew his heart wasn't in it. You expect younger devs to give up less but Nomura just won't
>>737893824You're not getting it.
>>737892613>in the first game, the rules of Shibuya made it so that UG folk being able to use different psychs at a time was a tied to having high Imagination, with characters like Neku and Kariya being some of the only few to use multiple psychs at a time>In NEO, the Shinjuku rules made it so that anyone can swap out a psych regardless of affinity and mental capability, to the point that even lovable dumbasses like Fret can do it No wonder Sho was pissed lmao
Stay the FUCK away from my boyfriend
>>737892365>edgy>game’s main theme basically boils down to learning to value life and the connections you make with other people>edgy
>>737883627They did, and the devs apologized for it recently.
>>737846762>>737894613Why the cfnm fanarts? Is it a theme of the game?
>>737893923>imagination and individuality is completely irrelevant, everything and every one is an interchangeable cogThe thematic and mechanical resonance in these games is off the charts
>>737895489It's not a theme of the game, but there's a cutscene in the first game where an aspiring fashion designer sees the loner's button coming off and makes him take his pants off so she can fix it.
>>737878926I on the other hand see the need to gain mainstream approval something very obnoxious. So what if this game doesn't get more people playing it? Does that turn the game into shit game? No? Well big whoop I don't give a fuck then.
>>737894613>>737846762Can someone tell me who these characters are and why they are naked?
>>737885084There's no way that delicious tummy would go untapped when its owner spends too much time alone with a boy.
>>737885293This. 2000 Shibuya is the best Shibuya. Try reading Get Backers.
>>737895770The protagonists of the TWEWY games and women they meet early on in those. The "armor" system is wearing normal clothes, so it's reasonable to think that swapping gear out involves taking your clothes off.
>>737895930No, Get Backers is woke.
>>737895507I wouldn’t say individuality is entirely irrelevant. After all, the reason Operation Awakening even works is because everyone pools together their own unique strengths and talents to achieve an almost impossible outcome. I’d say it’s more so the rules put everyone on more or less the same playing field in order to represent the business-like culture of Shinjuku. However, that’s also heavily skewed by the fact that the game is fucking rigged beyond belief, which coincidentally also coincides with business culture, funny that.
>>737895971but why are only the boys naked? the girls are fully clothed
>>737895619>>737895971Hot. >>737896049Girls' bodies are too obscene to be shown, male nudity is completetly acceptable
>>737896028>Greetings, Sheeple of Shibuya and welcome to our Game! Where the points are made up and the rules don’t matter!
>>737896183>no heat punCome on, man.
>>737896183What the FUCK was his problem?
>>737895971Did they really give the protagonist a coof mask? Looks as stupid as the pizza cutter sword
>>737896262Angel vibes and his boyfriend left him.
>>737896287His design was made way before covid was a thing. It’s just an unfortunate coincidence.
>>737896287>it's actually common in Japan even before the coof (Rindo was also designed before the Kung flu took over the world)>muh three wise monkeys motif
>>737896287He does wear a face mask. Apparently that design was finalized before Covid lockdowns so it just so happened that he looked like he was trying to avoid transmitting Coronavirus.
>>737896331I get that but still it kinda looks dumb hanging off the chin like that
>>737883627It toned it down for a few updates to go full blown fantasy but players disliked the direction so they went back to the punk adjacent aesthetic>>737883771Yeah but the point here isnt whether the game is good or not but whether its successful both of those games rake in millions>>737883856Zenless is ultimately a Chinese game so it can never fully commit to the punk aesthetic without alerting the CCP but the game lets you play as criminals which is about as close as a Chinese game can legally get to punk sensibilities
>>737896028Right, I’m speaking in terms of the design of the gameplay systems as it relates to the headspace of the Shinjuku reapers that designed the Game. Not how it ends up playing out, where actual collaboration with everyone’s individual strengths is what pulls through
>>737896416If anything they toned it down, you can see some shots where much like Neku puts on his headphones to shut people out, Rindo used to put his mask over his mouth when he was avoiding decisions. It only happens once or twice in the first week but I imagine once wearing facemasks suddenly became very normal it was no longer a useful symbol in that way.
>>737895975You have no idea what woke means, little zoomer.
>>737896691I like how they used his phone instead to get the same idea across. One fun thing to notice is how Rindo’s deal with his phone actually covers all three of the wise monkeys motifs, same with Neku and his overall design in the first game.
>>737896948That’s a good point, the point still gets across, but with a more relatable escapist behavior
>>737892947Part of that but also because Joshua is a massive sore fucking loser who can’t admit that maybe Shibuya being the way it is is partly his fault.
>>737897224>Joshua is a massive sore fucking loser How so?
>TWEWY thread without Shiki's vagina line/V/ really has fallen.
>>737844980dude have you not looked at Square Enix's other IP? the fact that TWEWY got a sequel makes it one of the ones that 'took off' by comparison
>>737844980Because it was exclusive to the Nintendogs machine obviously
>>737896142 l live in Ireland and when I was 13/14, we had a movie day at school and we brought in DVDs and voted on which one to watch. We watched this film called "The War of the Buttons" and they had 12-14 year old boys completely naked with their penises and buttocks visible in front of girls their age. Our female teacher thought it was hilarious but I can't help but imagine if the genders were reversed and a male teacher laughed at this. Obviously the film never would have been allowed to be made if they had shown girls naked in it.Also, the War of the Buttons is based off of a french film and the french film actually had the boys stay clothed for that scene, so the director of the irish version didn't do this to be faithful to the original film, he specifically changed it because he wanted boys to be naked in front of girls.There was also a lawsuit back in 1994 when the film released because the director and producers of the film purposely left the scene with the boys naked out of the script they gave the boys' parents because they knew some parents wouldn't sign off permission to film their sons naked
>>737897258Not him but >He'll accuse Neku of cheating at Tin Pin after only a few losses, despite canonically cheating at the game himself. >will blame Neku for anything that goes wrong during combat, even though Joshua, by his own admission, is refusing to put in any effort himself>gets mad at Beat for seemingly breaking the rules by attacking him directly, when Joshua is a full-on illegal player.Joshua's game with Kitaniji was rigged from the start, seeing as the latter had to cripple himself by giving up an entry fee while the former gave up nothing. Also, despite claiming that he would handicap himself and not challenge Kitaniji directly, Joshua breaks both promises the moment he's at risk of losing. He joins the game as an illegal player to directly protect Neku from anything Kitaniji throws his way and breaks out his powers as the Composer anytime Minamimoto gets close to defeating them.Joshua's reason for wanting Shibuya gone is that he saw its people as too dull and clouded to change. He picked Neku as his proxy because he saw him as the embodiment of everything he hated about Shibuya's populace. The thing is though; this notion is repeatedly proven wrong throughout the game. Ai and Mina are able to resolve their fight and rekindle their friendship. Eiji Oji is able to stay true to his values and not sell out. Makoto's boss is finally able to forgo using Reaper Creeper to make all of his choices and gives his own advice to Makoto, which in turn inspires him to run Shadow Ramen as his genuine self, rather than as a trend chaser.The only people who match Joshua's description are the Reapers, most of whom are either borderline sociopaths only interested in boosting their rank, no matter how many players (or other reapers) they have to erase, or are stagnant, sticking to the side and only doing the bare minimum to survive. It's just the natural consequence of how the Reaper hierarchy is designed with the rules that HE helped develop.
>>737897529>Joshua is a sore loser who refuses to take responsibility for his actions No fucking wonder he picked Rindo as his proxy in NEO lmao
>>737845790It's fucking incredible how many things they managed to get right. The combat is a mostly well thought out adaptation of the original, the environments are all surprisingly well adapted and expanded upon, the character designs and general style work. Unfortunately though it's a rushjob in terms of the actual game within the framework of all the stuff they got right. The puzzles are an embarrassment, the writing is an embarrassment, the stuff they have you doing is basically all filler most of the time. It's honestly fucking weird that they got so many things right but then tripped over at the part where they just needed to make the game out of the painstakingly crafted building blocks they managed to manufacture. To me it feels like they did all the really hard stuff when it comes to game development, all the nuts and bolts and mechanics and artisitic asset-making, and then no-one was around to do the part of gamedev that's actually really fun, which is making the shit for the player to do. Really, really strange game. Very curious how different it would have been had they given the devs like 4 more months to work with. The writing might have been terminal still but as a game it might have been like twice as functional. They were SO close.
>>737897529>gets killed >"how could you, Neku?"Yeah, well fuck you too, Josh. You can literally fly, why the FUCK are the mammoth stomps affecting you too?
>>737897661>the writing is an embarrassment Translation: I can’t fucking read.
>>737844980Because it fucking sucks.
>>737897736it's dogshit bro sorry
>>737849906What the fuck do you think the word "gimmick" means?It's a novelty designed primarily to attract sales.
>>737897778>>737897736
>>737897876don't get mad at me bro, I didn't write the game.
>>737897529When you lay it out like that, Joshua sounds like a major bitch. Why do people prop him up as this gigabrained manipulator again?
>>737897907Thank God you didn’t. I’d be embarrassed to see what you would come up with.
>>737897778Na, the character writing is great, even if the plot is a mess at times. Don’t be retarded
>>737897975Because a lot of TWEWY fans don’t pay attention to the writing between the lines. Just look at the reaction to NEO.
>>737898016character writing does not a game make
>>737897975>why do people prop him up as this gigabrained manipulator ?
>>737897975He larped so hard that people just believe the bullshit he spews from his mouth.
Its a game for japanese teenagers stop pretending you dont understand it
>>737898008can't get any more embarrassing than the actual game
>>737898069Cool, it does contradict your statement we’re discussing
>>737898180sorry but even if I were to pretend I thought the character writing was good, the plot is still a disaster.
>>737898043See?>>737898257
>>737898313rage online as much as you want, it won't make the writing better
>>737898363Anon, just accept the fact that a game made for Japanese teenagers somehow went over your head. You’re on an anonymous board, you can admit it.
>>737898416look, videogame writing is already being graded on a curve and neo couldn't even pass muster in the fucking baby pool of writing standards. please stop pretending it's not dogshit
>>737897975>was able to get Neku to see him as a friend in spite of all of the bullshit he pulledDunno, there might be some credence to that.
>>737898257>character writing doesn’t matter>yes it does>w-well it's bad anyway. A-AND the plot is badI already said the plot is messy. I don’t really care about your pivot back to double down on your hollow melodramatic take
>>737898490And what are your standards of good writing, anon? Come on, don’t be shy.
>>737898569if you think videogame writing has the kind of sturgeon's ratio that other mediums have then I think that says it all to be honest
>>737898490Sounds like a lot of cope just to admit you got filtered
>>737898531I say that speaks more to Neku’s character because if I were him, I would NOT let that shit life.
>>737898567great, have fun talking to yourself then if you're just going to ignore everything other people are saying
>>737898631yes, I got filtered by the dogshit writing, correct
>>737898626>says absolutely nothing of substance Yeah, I figured as much
>>737898707At least you finally admitted it
>>737898738learn to read
>>737898670>ignore everything other people are saying Calling out shit arguments is not ignoring. If your reading comprehension is this bad, no wonder NEO went over your head.
>>737898735yes, because you've been contributing so much substance haven't you. this has all been about substance, not random flaming, of course
>>737898760Ironic considering you didn't even understand a Japanese teenager jrpg and you're telling me how to read
>>737898793do you not know what an argument is? learn to read, but also maybe learn what an argument is
>>737898810I understood it was dogshit
>>737898803I’ve been contributing to a lot of discussion about both games in this thread, yeah. Which is more than I can say for you who just goes "ugh, it’s bad" with no elaboration whatsoever. Learn to actually say something that proves that you can actually read above a fifth grade level and maybe I’ll learn to take you seriously. But I’m not banking on that happening anytime soon.
>>737898670I’ve been having substantive discussions with anons the entire thread. You gave a superficial argument that you needed to shift around to try to keep propped up. And I’ve directly addressed everything you said. You just don’t want to talk in any specifics because you have the simple mind of an average attention starved /v/ poster
>>737898925Whatever you need to tell yourself dude
>>737898950My argument wasn't even about the writing. Holy fuck you people need to learn to read
>>737898995With that level of argumentative skill, again, it’s no wonder NEO went over your head.
>>737899112No amount of random flaming online will make the writing better, sorry dude
>>737899019>My argument wasn't even about the writing>>737898257???
>>737899141"the plot is a disaster" is not an argument
>>737899019>My argument wasn't even about the writing.
>>737899207learn to read
>>737899175What the fuck do you think argument means?
>>737899019>My argument wasn't even about the writing.>goes on and on about itWhat the fuck are you on about?
>>737899229you have to provide some sort of evidence or data or something backing up a claim. A bare statement where you just say something is shit isn't an argument, and if you think so I'm embarrassed for you
>>737899019This was all in response to ethese replies >>737897736 >>737897778 I know your don’t have much in the way of mental faculties, but you should have more functional memory at least, god damn
>>737899298if you think 'it's dogshit' is an argument the level of discourse you're used to must be incredibly low
>>737899340Motherfucker, you’re the one who made that response to begin with. Holy shit, you’re retarded.
>>737899296You’ve never made a single “argument”, but you were having an “argument.” Being illiterate and a pedant is a funny combination
>>737899380it's like you have literally zero understanding of anything anyone is saying. just how dumb are you, jesus
>>737899296Yeah, no, you’re an actual retard. I feel stupid just by listening to you. Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.
>>737899426Great, another substantive post, well done anon. You sure have done a great job of saying something to back up your idea that the writing in twewy neo is good. Oh, wait...
This is just a circular argument but the person arguing is too retarded to admit he's arguing
>>737899502>>737877809What else do you want?
>>737899561there is no fucking argument dumbo, at no point did I ever try to say something to back up a claim about twewy's writing. Saying something is dogshit is not an argument, it's a bare statement with no connective reasoning or logic presented behind it
>>737899561Admitting he’s never said anything of worth as an attempted own because he doesn’t understand the other meaning of the word “argument” is one of the dumbest attempts to win an argument I’ve ever seen on here lol
>>737899650Okay retard.
>>737899693Bro if you want to hear my take on why I think Twewy's writing is dogshit I could have given it to you, instead you went all in attacking me over a totally throwaway side-point in a post about an unrelated topic. Next time try asking: 'what didn't you like about the writing?' like a normal person instead of chimping out
>>737899775nice lack of response retard
