There is an alternative timeline where the Warcraft 3 remake was as good as AoE2 DE and it's getting new expansions to this day
>>737848391Is the Age of Empires rerelease getting expansions? I thought it was mostly just widescreen support and modern internet lobbies.
>>737849895They just released another native american expansion.
>>737848391I'm no expert, but I watched a bunch of multiplayer W3 games and hated them. 99% of the focus of the game is on the heroes. Also the games were short and it never felt like there was much of strategy, just a matter of the results of a few big fights.
>>737849895> I thought it was mostly just widescreen support and modern internet lobbiesnah, that was HDDE completely remade the graphics in a faithful way and continued support for the game to this daySince then AoE2 had like 7 new expansions (since then they made most of these free) as well as a bunch of cool updates like every civ getting a unique castle model and all unique units getting a new model for their elite versions
Ok. What new playable faction would you like to see?Inb4 nagas. Stop lusting after fish tits
>>737850476>99% of the focus of the game is on the heroesnahyou generally linger over your heroes a lot because they have the short cooldown big impact skills, but during combat you absolutely have to focus down regular units just as much, heroes are really only like 1/4 of your damage output >it never felt like there was much of strategy, just a matter of the results of a few big fightsthe fights themselves have probably the most strategy out of any RTS, there are so many ways you can approach them and deal with the enemy army during combat, focus down their weaknesses, take out key units/heroes, surround or block their escape there are also a lot of decisions to make outside of fights in how to approach the map, when and where to take creeps or harrass the opponent
I just finished replaying the classic version of both campaigns in Reforged yesterday. The game is actually playable now. I only found one glitch that wasn't in the original game, parts of The Oracle mission didn't work properly. The strangely edited audio when Thrall says Hellscream's name is gone. Reign of Chaos doesn't use TFT unit balancing anymore. No noticeable memory leaks or crashes. The main menu has had its soul injected back into it. The game can be launched in offline mode. Custom campaigns can again be selected. Haven't played any custom maps yet but it seems like they fixed the game.
>>737850640Emphasis on AoE2. TWO. While the first one had a nice refresh and ONE new civ based after the ancient Viet, and III had cut content restored and some more civs but had the Poland/Denmark expansion cancelled to focus on AoM remake and AoE IV.And here is also the "problem", AoE2 just. Won't. DIE. No matter what IV does, people always go back to 2, to detriment of literally everything else, besides esports bullshit, this is also a severe problem on RTS, people found a 'perfect' game and want to play it forever, no matter what it's successors do.Blizz could had made more money out of that mindset with Warcraft III, but their greed on owning mods and fucking up it's own game killed such prospect forever.>>737851390Can it be pirated now that it's offline? My sole interest in that version of W3 is the new dub in my language that didn't exist back then, and sadly nobody backported that into the vanilla game.
>>737851008demons would be the most obvious no-brainer choicethey could also just add more tavern heroes
I don't want demakes, I want Blizzard to die.
>>737848391Theres no such timeline, senpai, since the entire development pipeline at bliz is probably controlled by businesmen and shareholders its clear that innovation and good design are lower pirority objectives, if given any consideration at all, compared to big proffits. If they have a IP, they will milk it.It pains me how much of a fuckup Wc3Reforged is. ALL they needed to do was provide fullscreen support, allow for 24player (bigger) lobbies and update some settings so players can rebind their own hotkeys or whatever aka technical upgrades, leave everyhting else the same. Its kinda stupid how they decided to "change things up" for WC3 wich is aruguably their best game and a near perfect masterpiece while for a highly flawed best seller WoW they decided to go for "historic accuarcy" and repeat all the fuckups from before.Blizzards inability to learn from any type mistakes or successes -be it from their own past or from other companies- is mind boggling. They fucked up with the WoW"Classic" too, a few years earlier. They could have just delivered on their 2003 promisse of a lighting engine, allowed for some player driven content and/or leaderboards and called it a day.Instead they went for "historic accuarcy" and were forced to repeat all the mistakes from the past and the life cycle we have seen from private servers for years by that point.No lessons were learned from OG classic lifespan or from Nostalrius and its many heirs - that once majority players reached past the BLW raid progression the population died- All wow needs is some emergent gameplay for endgame, let the players make their own fun.We are seeing the same thing repeat with WoW, now, 10 years later. How private servers invented the hardcore mode and new custom classic content and bliz is going to be chasing the carrot on a stick for "untaped wow playerbase" forever because they want a bigger market share via CnD orders instead of simply making a better game or providing a better service.
>>737851390Those new models are horrendous.I hate the WoW artstyle so much.
>>737851520AoE2 is far from perfect, but it is objectively the best in the series by farthis is not a matter of "stubborn fans", I grew up playing aoe1,2,3 and AoM, and AoE2 is just the overall best in most metrics.It has the snappiest controls, it feels good to do shit like kite with archers, dodge arrows, snipe enemies with mangonels or dodge them, or snipe targets with cavalry while surfing between spears.It also has the best visuals, buildings in particular just look so nice and comfy. Also it has the best APM demands in the series, managing your economy takes just enough attention that harrassing the enemy can cause them to make mistakes in it, but not so much that you can't spend much attention on controlling your army. RTS devs really just need to step up their game and build on the things that already makes games like AoE2 good, rather than always starting from scratch and hoping that this will dethrone a game like it
>>737851894Blizz actually did a pretty decent job with Diablo2 resurrected. It's really just a faithful remake that tries to look like the original just with updated graphics and they did a decent job with it. They even released a small expansion with the new warclock class since then, basically doing what AoE2 DE did, and what Warcraft 3 should have recieved if it had a good remake.I have no idea why the fuck they decided to create a completely different artstyle that is completely unmatching with the original AND also runs like shit due to absurd poly count AND is also harder to see during gameplay, especially when they literally already had perfect looking and running HD models for many Warcarft 3 characters in SC2 like in the OP. That's all they had to do, just update the poly count to SC2's level so it both looks nice and still runs nicesince then they at least patched up most of the shit they broke and added better hotkey support, but it's still a fucking 30+gb game that used to be like 3gb with the new graphics that take up most of this space still being both too ugly and unoptimized for either online or single player play. At least the Visions mod is trying to remake the new graphics to look more faithful and better optimized, but it's still not perfect either, and ofc no game should rely on mods to fix shit, but it's still something worth keeping an eye on.
>>737852651>It's really just a faithful remakeI'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you can't rotate an apple in your head.
>>737848391I imagine there is a parallel universe where blizzard didn't become irredeemable dogshit after the mid 2010s but for us it was not meant to be.
>>737852801other than amazon and maybe a couple of item icons, I can't think of much that looks worse in the remake than in the original
>>737852651Havent played Diablo 2 remake, probably never will, but what you say makes me hopeful that maybe one day they will walk back all the 30gb of bullshit they tacked onto Wc3.Yeah, the SC2 models are nice, but personally i think the quest for high poly models and photorealistic graphics is misguided. For a RTS game readability and performance are pretty important, honestly the classical Wc3 look is pretty good, if there is to improve on the stylised look, id say just use higher textures on the models (combined with full HD resolution) and youd get the same effect with half the effort.Thing with Reforged and Blizzard on Wc3 is that they nuked the original game retroactively. To purge all old CDkeys to force you into reforged if you ever dare click on Bnet button just to get you into their cancer Bne2.0 launcher shows extreme anti-consumer agression. They can iron out all the yeetcode bugs and faulty features from Reforged but to rebuild trust takes more than just to pick up the pieces of a game they broke.
>>737852117Ok, if you are not stubborn, have you tried AoE4 out then, since 4 whole reason of existence is to be 2 again but 'better'?
>>737852651>Blizz actually did a pretty decent job with Diablo2 resurrected.That is the case only because THEY DIDNT, it was Vicarious Visions work, they actually gave a shit about Diablo II, and Blizz was in a enough PR disaster mode post Immortal reveal that VV pretty much got carte blanche on this remake.
>>737849895It removed the bloody corpses, fucked up the pathfinding, one of the expansions had really stupid 3 Kingdoms bullshit, and the campaign cutscenes were redrawn much worse. Otherwise it's AoE2 with some nice enhancements, qol features, and mostly good new factions.
>>737849895AoE1 got an expansion a year or two ago.AoE2 has gotten like 7+ expansions since DE.AoE3 has gotten a few.AoM just released its 3rd expansion.
>>737851520Aoe4 is so dog shit that people were literally sleeping in the seats during it's biggest tournament. I think they could make something new but they really need to ape age2s aesthetics and a lot of it's basic mechanics, but that could cannibalize there audience so it might be best to just support age2 forever
>>737848391They added a new class to Diablo 2 so maybe they'll do new content for Warcraft 3 at some point. I actually think the way Reforged was botched was a blessing in disguise because it means the original graphics never got replaced with remastered ones among the fandom.
>>737848391blizzard decided to bench samwise for being an old white guy, everything they got was deserved
>>737848391that would never happen unless they went for isometric prerendered ludo
>>737851995it wasn't even the wow artstyle, it was some lazy temu bullshit
>>737859851the original graphics did get replaced and are still fucked up to this day, 1.30 looks completely different from reforge in half the tilesets.
>>737859971Are you referring to the Classic HD graphics setting, or the original graphics setting inside of Reforged?
>>737859951Still drives me crazy. If they just had the heroes of the storm team do the art.
>>737860369They were too busy dismantling the HotS team because they were actually competent.
>>737851995The new models would look fine...if they weren't for an RTS game, where you need to be able to read the battlefield and know at a glance what unit is what and what effect or spell they're casting is. It's too much detail for models you will rarely see at a close enough distance to appreciate, and not exaggerated enough at the normal camera view to know what each unit is doing in a fight. It's kind of the worst of both worlds.
>>737860369This is what I mean though, while the HotS models are better than the Reforged models they still look like soulless mobile game designs compared to the original graphics, so Reforged being botched leading to everyone sticking with the original graphics was a good outcome because the original graphics are untouchable.
