>$100>doesnt even have windows driversYOU VILL PAY 100 SHEKELS! YOU VILL VE HAPPY!
It does though.
why should it work outside of steam? what the fuck are you doing outside of steam you normy? genuinely curious, don't tell me you're paying for goypass ultimate.
>>737860726Its called steam . What gamer has a Windows pc and no steam"Oh no this delicious burrito is going to make a mess in my mouth so horrible"..Makes as much sense
>>737860878
>>737860878Emulation, you uncultured swine.
>>737860726but it literally does though>no driversit has the default input driver, you don't need a special steam controller only driverhave you never used a bootleg controller before? it's plug and play bro
>>737861057lol so just stealing. okay then.
>>737861057Add your emulators to steamI do it so I can run them from big picture mode while I play on my couch next to my wife
why would a phoneposter care about windows drivers?
>>737861240>phoneposterlol the absolute confidence
>>737860878>why should it work outside of steamsteam cattle lmao
>saar gaybenchod, please do one ting and redeem vindows driber bloody!!
Microjeet is panicking
>>737860726>download rewasd>it now works outside of steameasiest fix ever
The only reason this is being hyped is because of Valve fanboys, right?
>>737860878abandon games, Emu, pirated and GOG games enjoy your DRM
>>737860878I don't use steam, there's no reason to have steam
>>737861701the cattle, yes
>total misinformation>lie is corrected>people keep posting in the thread
>>737861727>>737861762normy broke boi shite. if your too broke to support steam your too broke to be playing with me on PC shitting up my games
It all depends on how good steamos is since this controller is meant to be used on steamos
>>737861810>lie is correcteddo steamfags really?
Of course it only works when Steam is running, it uses Steam Input. Hell, you need Steam to order one in the first place. Just set up a Desktop configuration and leave Steam in the background in offline mode.
>>737860726All I need is Linux drivers
>>737861826Steam is for third worlders tho
>>737861978Wait seriously, you can't use it without having steam running?If any other company did shit like this /v/ would never shut up about it
>>737862386Damn, you better start posting about it to make up for the outrage then.
>>737860726They should have priced it at $150+ since their fans still would have bought.
>>737860726For now, give it a couple months at most and someone will have a solution for this. I would wager they will do a steam controller to xinput conversion app. Until then just add the .exe to your steam library. Valve is actually pretty receptive to feedback if enough people say they won't buy it until it is supported like xinput outside steam. They might just add the driver support themselves.
>>737861057>>737861727>He doesn't know emulators regularly update for controller supportRetarded jeet momentI remember when PCSX2 didn't even support DS4
>>737861140When did valveniggers suddenly turn into tendies?
>another poorfag seething thread jesus christ is getting stale, just buy a game saaaaar controller and be done with it
>steam controller>a controller literally made for steam>doesn’t work on consoles shocker
>>737863842> just buy a game saaaaar controller and be done with itYou mean the steam controller?
>>737860878Being fair: the ORIGINAL "Steam Controller" DOES work outside Steam via "Lizard Mode." It's kind of crazy Valve dropped that for the Deck/Controller 2 version.
the original steam controller got drivers for steamless usage later down the line, i'm guessing the same will happen to this one
>the community will do our job for us
>>737860878my computer runs on an internal combustion engine
>>737860726I thought Valve were the good guys?
>>737865435>the corporation that made everyone accept digital non-transferable games is the good guyssure, champ
>>737860726>console tard doesn't know enough about PCs to make a thread shitting on valveembarrassing. I would never buy a $100 controller but this is pathetic
>>737860878Emulators? Pirated games? Games you bought from places other than Steam like GOG? Jesus, are there really people on /v/ that play nothing but fucking games on Steam?
>>737860726Wincucks get what they deserve. It works on my machine.FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>737866283Per gamers nexus hands-on review>steam controller home button will only pull up steam if the client is already opened>cannot get past windows lock screen, cannot login from the couch>controller and puck will ONLY function as a mouse if the client is closed>pad functionality only exists and works because of steam translation layer (holy kek)>non-steam games can only be played through steam if added and launched through steam >steve calls it "a little grim"This is a garden-walled controller made for cattle who love overpaying for garbage. valve doesnt even have an excuse to not have windows drivers on this piece of shit considering 93% of steam users are on Windows and 3rd party manufacturers like 8bitDo and gulikit can do it. Fuck valve lmao
>>737861727Just open your pirated exe through steam. You can open anything through steam
>>737867362Steam overlay required for the controller to work does not work in pirated games because the crack conflicts with Steam.
>>737860878There are official steam games that don't work with steam input properly
>>737864161The new one has a lizard mode as well but it acts as m+kb input which isn't helpful in most games you'd use a controller for
>>737861017Yeah it's shit. Do you have a reason someone would need to use the controller outside Steam like that anon asked though?
>>737861057Good thing it works with emulators through SDL then.
>>737860726>adds X-thing as a game to Steam.>suddenly it werks.kek.
>>737867524Not true btw
>>737870272NTA but goypass games outright do not work in steam. Most of them are impossible to add to steam.
>>737870354Have you tried a game that uses goldberg?
>>737860771>ignored in favor of>>737860878>ragebaitclassic /v/
>>737870387>NTA but goypass games outright do not work in steamAnd? Why does that matter? You're not paying for gapeass, are you?
>>737870737I used to use it back when the $1 infinite goypass trick worked, but that's beside the point. The steam controller should not be locked down to one platform, even consoles don't typically do this so it's absurd to me that people are defending it.
>>737867353Justwerks on Linux. Have you maybe considered not using a slop os made by indians?
>>737870821It supports SDL and has a fallback mode when Steam isn't running. Of course you'll need Steam if you want to condigure it beyond the defaults.
>>737867353Agree.Unfortunately the only arguments you'll get are people telling you to switch to linux and revolve everything around steam like a good goy
>>737870916>>737870849>SDLStop shilling your shit. Nobody uses this.
>>737860878so you're against companies collecting data but when big steam does it its ok? are you retarded?
>>737870916The fallback mode is emulated m+kb which is dumb, it should fallback to emulated xinput or dinput instead.
>>737870941>Nobody uses this.Every emulator does.>>737870997>The fallback mode is emulated m+kbBy default. You can switch between it and controller mode by holding either start or select, I forgot which.
>>737871130>switch between it and controller modeWhat does controller mode use?
>>737860726lmao at all the valve drones in this thread, wonder if its just their breath or also their farts that smells like gabes cum
>>737871130>ou can switch between it and controller mode by holding either start or select,This doesn't solve the problem. The buttons are not recognized as a controller.>>737871174>What does controller mode use?Nothing, it doesn't even emulate xinput or dinput.
Valvefags are the new-applefags/
>>737860878Whenever a game can be launched in a standalone version (planetside 2 being the first that came to mind as far as time spent playing goes) without having to add another extra layer of DRM, I will pick the standalone version.>but muh achievement cardsIf you care about that you belong to the demographic of people who collect funko pops and have a collection of 4 or 5 tkl mutilated keyboards that you never even use and you should kill yourself anyway.
>>737860726>My source is schizophrenia
i mean it would be foolish to expect shit like the trackpads or gyro to work outside of steam, but surely it can function as a basic xinput controller
>>737871571Nope. Steam and Linux only, sorry fag
>>737871571>but surely it can function as a basic xinput controllerYes, if you add the game to Steam.
>>737871483The source is every single person that has published a review of it. There is no basic windows driver, you have to use it with steam input
>>737861239while she's blowing Hernando
>>737871648>There is no basic windows driverI don't see how that's an issue.>you have to use it with steam inputOnly on windows.
>>737861063Default Windows USB controller driver doesn't work with XInput only games though. Same reason PS gamepads need DS4Windows or Steam Input for some games.
>>737860878every other game, dumbass>>737860726This is just a walled garden controller. Useless for me
I'm buying it. And /v/artyfags can't stop me.
>>737871741>t. roonix
Just use mouse and keyboard. You're gaming on a PC.
>>737860726>>doesnt even have windows driversDon't care. Does it work outside of steam on linux?
I think the controller is too expensive and that it doesn't look very good, but I will still be buying it because I am a mindless slave consumer who just wants a new toy so I can forget about how bad my life is for a day
>>737871874Wrong. Chadnux. Better than microslop hinduws.
>>737860726who fucking cares can they please release the FUCKING STEAM FRAME ALREADY
>>737871950>doesn't look very goodBrings this one to mind for me and yes I agree
>>737871907>Does it work outside of steam on linux?Yes. Won't stop the wincattle from seething though.
>>737860726it's kinda weird you have to run everything through steam. I don't add my non-steam games to steam and I don't particularly want to
>>737861826>normy broke boi shiteWhat language even is that?
>>737871887I'm gaming on my PC while sitting on the couch. How do you suggest I use a mouse and keyboard?
>>737871907No, you still need steam.
>>737860878>can't comprehend playing PC games outside his game rental service Peak Steamgoy
You don't need it outside of steam
>>737872072get one of these instead
The exclusive gang now thinks things shouldn't be as exclusive huh.
>>737870696To be fair, you need a very low IQ to understand this board.
>>737872163That doesn't help. It lets me type but doesn't fix the issue of controllers not having enough buttons or not being able to aim. Not a solution.
>>737872649>not having enough buttonsthere's an entire keyboard right there bro
>>737872817And you can't use that keyboard in games as well as you can trackpads and back buttons. Still doesn't fix aiming either.
>>737874819>you can't use that keyboard in games as well as you can trackpads and back buttons.are you mentalit's even easier to use in PC games than a trackpad that has to be mapped to custom macros and radial menus
>>737870354He's right, some cracked games cannot be opened on Steam
>>737874885>it's even easier to use in PC games than a trackpadThe buttons won't be even remotely ergonomically placed. You'll have to look down at it instead of having a touch menu pop up on screen. No aiming either btw. So far the score is trackpads: 3, chatpad: 0.
>>737875079>it's good that it blocks the screen!you cannot be serious
>>737860726Valve are just trying lock morons into their ecosystem. And its working
>>737875469they're trying to liberate morons from microsoft if anything
>>737875535I'd switch to linux if it was actually viable for me to do so
>>737875535>they're trying to liberate morons from microsoft if anythingyou are the moron he is talking about
>>737860726unlike the actual first party windows gamepad, this thing can actually move your mouse cursor
>>737876054>make retarded statement>if you disagree you must be a moron>"lol u the moron"Compelling arguments, keep it up
>>737875469>>737875535>>737876054>>737876109you are both idiots.the controllers software is open source.it can be made to work with whatever but the jeet shills are panicking and trying to cook up lies.sony is freaking because their shit is gonna fall in sales.
>>737876054feeling defensive about using windows? if you weren't a moron you would have a valid excuse to cling to windows
Tim Epic sure is seething with this one
>>737860726Maybe go ask Tim Sweeney to write you some drivers
>>737876193not just him now.controller market can cut into the hustle of a lot of people out there.
>>737876109>>737876164>>737876167>moron got so mad he had to make 3 posts
PS controllers are the same and are still the best computer controllers
>>737876279you're insecure and schizophrenic if you believe thatso what's your excuse to be on windows if you're not a moron?
>>737860726Install gentoo loser :)
>>737860878I read visual novels with a controller. I want to lean back and have every button bound to useful functions through ds4w
>>737876343>anon knows how to edit basic html in the inspectorlmao you are pathetic>im on windowswhere did I say that dumb dumb?
>>737871907Linux has a kernel module for the previous two steam controller iterations (hid-steam) so it's reasonable to assume this will be supported in short order.
>>737871174>What does controller mode use?Have to admit I don't know. Probably something pretty standard since it's recognized by the gamepad tester.>>737871280>This doesn't solve the problem. The buttons are not recognized as a controller. Pretty weird then how they're recognized on mine. No Steam running, held start to go to controller mode.
>>737876535if you bothered to look at the timestamps you'd know that it's impossible for all 3 of those posts to be posted by the same person>where did I say that dumb dumb?then why are you screeching? the welfare of wincucks is irrelevant if you're not using it
>>737875254>it blocks the screenWrong. It's a small transparent popup on the bottom corners of the screen that only appears when you're touching the trackpads. Still no aiming on your chatpad either btw.trackpads: 4, chatpad: 0.
>>737860726What the fuck are those squares?
>>737876606If the gamepad device node isn't opened the controller is in lizard mode, which presents as M+KB with basically the equivalent of the "web browser" controller profile loaded in Steam.The "switching" functionality is part of Steam and when using hid-steam it doesn't behave like that.
>>737876701>trackpads: 4, chatpad: 0.at least pretend you're not just shitposting
>>737876535pajeets are so stupid they don't know anything but inspect element or phones lmaoI did the mass reply
>doesn't support games for windows liveholy shit... will pcbros ever recover from this?
>create a software that lets you map buttons without needing steam on>issue resolvedyou can tell all the complaining comes from non-linux retards because they can't conceive solving problems without the approval of a corporation
>>737876716trackpads to map to whatever you want.
A small indie company such as Valve couldn't possibly release a standalone windows driver, or update the controller's firmware to support xinput in lizard mode.
>>737876756>no argumenttrackpads: 5, chatpad: 0.
>>737876787its worse than that.the software already exists and has been around for years
>>737875469>>737875535>>737876054>>737876109>>737876167>>737876279>>737876343
>>737876789Oh, so you can map areas to different functionalities the same way you can map different keyboard keys? That's pretty neat then.
>>737876830I would rather they improve their own stuff.small indie company like microsoft couldn't handle it either?
>>737876892microsft already has their own gamepad control standard for windows
>>737876892Valve is not so subtly trying to make all you retards switch to Linux and they're fucking based for that.
>>737876748>The "switching" functionality is part of Steam and when using hid-steam it doesn't behave like that.I didn't have Steam running there. Or do you mean that installing Steam replaces the hid-steam driver with one that has the switching functionality? In that case, I concede that you need Steam installed, but you don't need it running.
>>737876875Yeah, but it has the usual epic-shills and now some guys from sony riled up because it looks more attractive than their high end controllers that are like twice the price.So they are whining and bitching all over the board about it.>>737876925No?Microsoft has an ancient and outdated standard they refuse to fix and keep trying to REPLACE.this was already covered by the controller autists :-)
>>737870387>NTA but goypass games outright do not work in steamThat's Microsofts fault
>>737876875NTA but yeah. They're also great for aiming or mouse control in general.
>>737876945>makethey don't need to "make" people do anything.thats not how valve rolls.They just need to provide a service where other people drop the ball.
>>737876958>Microsoft has an ancient and outdated standardIt was designed for x360 layouts and it still works for this purpose. They haven't changed it since the xbox controllers haven't really changed in decades either. Personally, I wish we had a universal control standard that every hardware manufacturer could use (even across consoles), but none of these companies are willing to work together so instead we have a bunch of walled gardens.
>>737877029no, they HAVE tried to change it, retard.they are trying to swap it to gameinput.they are ALREADY trying to abandon xinput because its old and limited.
>>737876958>outdatedIf it was outdated, no one would use it, but 99.9% of games use it, and a steam controller without steam supports 0% of games, and you need to use steam that emulates xinput
>>737860726>something called fucking gamesir beats it in pricing, performance, build quality and ergonomicspoo more solid than shart confirmed>inb4 b-butcope and shart
>>737877076Neat, first I've heard of it.Still think the steam controller should provide xinput/dinput support for legacy games thoughever.
>>737877084>saaar just because microslop is trying to replace it for being outdated doesn't mean its outdated just because microslop forced everyone to keep using it!jeet babble is really something else.
>>737876957When Steam is running, the gamepad handle is permanently opened in exclusive mode and steam input is what provides the button mapping to switch between the current game profile and the desktop profile set in the settings of Steam.But yes, you don't need Steam running. Lizard mode, as stated, is basically just the default web browser / desktop profile if you WERE running steam, it's just built into the controller firmware.
steam shills in suicide watch
>>737877131Well it DOES.So by default it uses a custom driver that can do xinput just fine, and does 90% of direct input.So unless you got some ancient flight sim made for a custom joystick you are probably fine.And by ancient I mean windows xp era or older.On top of that the software is opensource and people have already built some custom drivers for it.And xinput is shit for those really old games anyways already.The anti-valve botnet hates this and keeps ignoring it to repeat the same bullshit, that's all.
>>737876632>>737876757>double posting again>if it doesnt effect me it doesnt matteran you call me the jeet lmao
>>737877227>Well it DOES.The controller doesn't, Steam does.
>>737877097>something called fucking gamesir beats it in pricing, performance, build quality and ergonomicsIt doesn't though. Maybe pricing but that's irrelevant when the SC is dirt cheap too.
>>737877254No, the driver for it does :-)and there are alternatives already built
>>737877370What are you referring to, exactly?
>>737877393The driver?do you know what a software driver for a piece of hardware is?what it does?
>>737877457Now you're just being intentionally obtuse.What driver are you referring to?
That shit is big enough to fit a inbuilt memory profile. Would have been great to have it just work after setting it up.
>>737877505...what piece of hardware is the subject of this thread, retard?what do you think allows it to connect to a computer and TALK to it and let it know that it is a steam controller?
>>737877581>dodges the questionThere is no point replying to you, it's shitposts all the way down.
>>737877571>Would have been great to have it just work after setting it up.It's called steam cloud.
>>737877668>always online controller setup is based, actually
>>737877665I am not dodging the question.You are a fucking retard who cannot comprehend the answer.The software driver.The thing that is taking the inputs of the controller being transmitted to your fucking PC, and turning that into instructions it can recognize.That is a software driver, you fucking moron.
>>737877136>it's just built into the controller firmware.So lizard mode is built in but the controller mode you can switch to isn't part of that? And you somehow need Steam to enable that functionality?
>>737877709>pajeets inventing new lies to cope>>737877740no you just use something else if you want to replace steam.people have been doing this shit for controllers for a decade now.
>>737877731Which software driver?
>>737877762Steaminput??????the thing that makes the steam controller function?????you fucking tech-illiterate....you know you have drivers on your computer JUST to fucking recognize when a USB drive is plugged in?
>>737877834Steam Input isn't a driver, it's a software-based input translator and API, and although it does include a userspace driver for Valve controller support on Linux, it does not do so for Windows. HID, DInput, XInput are controller drivers.
lmao wintoddlers btfo
>>737877762>>737877834well, technically steam input is a collection of drivers to translate a number of stuff universallybut for the sake of argument it IS a driver and can be replaced by a driver.>>737877956yeah I was getting there.same shit ultimately.it acts as a driver.
>>737878003This post >>737877370 confused me since I already knew Steam Input is not itself a driver, that's why I asked what anon was referring to and he frustratingly didn't give a straight answer. For a moment I thought Valve were going to supply a separate virtual XInput driver or something similar so Steam Input may not always be required. Why didn't anon just say Steam Input in the first place? You can't even run Steam Input on its own, you must run the Steam service, because Steam Input is not a driver...
>>737860726works fine on linux, dont use a pajeet os.
>>737869898Are you talking about games that are 20+ years old?
>>737878593Look its really simple just look at this chart
>>737878781what a pointless bunch of scribbles
>>737878847You sound like some sort of penis inspection refuser.What do you have to hide, huh?
>>737878868You sound like a shitposter
>>737878781sovl
>>737878879Sounds like projection.That chart IS perfectly accurate in regards to how your controllers NOW and in the future will work to play games.Microsoft IS looking to replace xinput with gameinput.And xinput already has limits with working to do directinput.
>>737870390>add non-steam game to library>"Enable Steam Input"Works everytime I do it retardatron
>>737878979You sound like a shitposter
>>737860771You're saying it works as a generic controller if Steam isn't installed?I assume it doesn't work 100% without Steam. What parts of the controller doesn't work when Steam isn't installed?
>>737879074oof its repeating itselfpajeet got salty
>>737860726I'm pretty sure it will on release
>>737878981You keep repeating the same thing, but haven't you tried adding pirated games to steam. Some cracks conflict with steam.
>>737879083>What parts of the controller doesn't work when Steam isn't installed?All of them
what fucking dogshit thread is this?!Are consoletards and jeetshills this retarded? Controllers have driver standards and even if you have some very specific niche controller you can write your own drivers without much effort, this isn't rocket science.Here is some nerd making a 1930 teletype machine communicate with the linux terminal.https://youtu.be/2XLZ4Z8LpEE?si=31sbxisMeV6EmJ7Jgo fucking back to consoles or kill yourselves if you are a shill, PCs are for whites who value freedom.
Linux-chads win again
>>737860726is this controller actually good or are ppl shills, is it ass or are you jokingwhere are the real opinions nowadays!
>>737879170already debunked.you are a retard who got a lazy crack that still has the files telling steam its a steam game, dumbass.its a fucking text file>>737879221anon a day or so ago they tried to argue that "plug n play" as it interfaces with windows update to locate and download critical drivers for new devices ISNT a thing and that "plug N play" meant hardcoded native support that ships with windowseven though its been this way since windows 95.they don't know shit.
>>737878979>That chart IS perfectly accurateNot really.It should be more like>controller input -> driver stack -> Steam Input -> game>>737879143That's not even me
>>737860771/thread>>737879083It works as a mouse & keyboard if you don't use Steam.But if you add some shit like reWASD like the others said you can work with pretty much all the features.
>>737879221>Are consoletards and jeetshills this retarded?Yes most of them are underage too.
>>737879292if you are too new to mentally filter shit then just lurk and wait for the controller to actually come out.>>737879309driver stack is part of the PC, stupid
>>737865229Wouldn't just linking them to steam solve the problem? Or just use Linux LOL
>>737879351>driver stack is part of the PC, stupidThen why is "steam input" both before and after in your chart?
>>737860726>It's called Steam Controller >People are shocked you need Steam running to take full advantage of it.Mind you, you don't even need to own what you're using on Steam, you can add non-Steam games to your library and use it just fine. Its fundamentally no different that when you had to run DS4 in the background for your PS controllers.
>>737879369it does but they are so fucking retarded that if a cracked game contains a simple text file telling steam its steam game ID, they are helpless to do anything to prevent steam from reading that unnecessary file.
>>737879383because you don't know what you are talking about you stupid retard lmao.steam input works on both ends to talk to the controller, set the inputs in the middle to whatever you want them to be, and inject them into the game processes looking for controller input.
>>737879551The path is the exact same when returning data back to the controller>game -> Steam Input -> driver stack -> controller
>>737879551>steam input works on both ends to talk to the controller, set the inputs in the middle to whatever you want them to be, and inject them into the game processes looking for controller input.Thanks for the artificial input lag.
>>737879639retard continues to be confused by the process of the controller talking to the software made to interface with it before injecting it into the game>>737879651your CURRENT controllers already do this, stupid pajeet :)its in the chart.
>>737879695Anon, your chart is simply incorrect.Controller input is handled like this:>controller -> driver stack -> Steam Input -> gameOutputting data to the controller is like this:>game -> Steam Input -> driver stack -> controller(i.e. the reverse of the same path)Obviously these are simplified for brevity, but the point is that Steam Input occuring both before and after the driver stack would never happen.
>>737879695You fucking steam shill, instead of a gamepad ->xinput -> game, we get a gamepad ->steam input ->xinput ->game, you are intentionally creating input lag with your shit.
>controller designed explicitly for the steam machine>made for couch gaming with a controller>retards on /v/ don't realize this controller isn't for them if they play at their desk with access to a keyboard/mouseI'm not sure if this is a sign of retarded console gamers that swapped to PC or if some people got too caught up in the hype to remember that keyboard and mouse are straight up better than a controller for games that you would want to use the Steam controller with.
>Sonyshart is caring about input lagLOL
>>737879806>>737879826>saaarr you chart is incorrectthere is nothing wrong with it, jeet.your controller talks to the pc overseeing the processes via steaminput, and that talks to the game its running.controllers do the exact same thing for anything that doesn't use xinput.xinput was directly made for this purpose already.you are all just seething because it makes your complaints look stupid
>>737879921You're a moron
>>737879941>"bloody bastard bitch!"yeah yeah yeah don't care.the more you seethe and shill the more threatened I can tell sony and xbox are by this controller
Steam shill forgets that all steaminput does is emulate xinput and mouse.
Sonyshits can't even use gyro of their gamepads on PC without 3rd party drivers and programs LMAO. Included steam input
>>737880018>pajeet is so retarded he doesn't know there are motion controls and mouse+keyboardooof. goldfish memory strikes again!>saaar trackpads are part of xinput nowlmao
>>737880018Steam Input is a software translation layer, it uses your existing system drivers underneath.i.e. it's middleware, technically.
>>737880152Oh my god, you're so stupid, trackpads emulate a mouse
>>737880268Or stick
>>737880268>stupid pajeet fails to parse englishESL strikes againnobody said the trackpads were for keyboard.well, maybe your translator told you that :)
>>737880072not a fan of dualshock/dualsense/whatever, but I'd rather use a driver than middleware due to the overhead.
>>737860726Everyone has Steam
>>737880371anon... he said you HAD to use middleware to make xinput work with anything more advanced than an OG 360 controller.that is how its ALWAYS been.
>>737880194But how do you explain to a paid valve employee who hasn't been told how his steamInput works that his job is simply to emulate xinput and a keyboard and mouse?
>>737880539>and directinput if we want>and anything else if we wantdamn, must be tough being equal or better than everything else already out there :)If your controller is any "better" than a 360 controller, its already doing the same thing steaminput does, stupid jeet
I assume all consoletards are phoneposter because to use any gamepad properly outside of steam you need to use 3rd party drivers and programs. Only xbone is an exception yet xbox pad has no functions no even gyro.
>>737880484pity there's no low level universal standard that includes gyro, etc.
>>737880824Drivers are different to be fair since those become plug and play once installed. If the Steam controller just needed a driver and then always worked outside of Steam, no one would complain.
>>737880824>to use any gamepad properly outside of steam you need to use 3rd party drivers and programs.That's not true. Many controllers will emulate xinput for ez plug-and-play
>>737880615>pity there's no low level universal standard that includes gyro, etc.directinput
>>737880932>>737880846
>>737880824Scp toolkit isn’t even hard to install, I got it my third try only took a few hours to figure it out
>>737860878>normieyou're the normalfaggot, normalfaggot. Little newnigger zoomoid shit.
>>737880846there are. multiple of them.people have been making their own for years.
I legit dont understand why it is an issue.Should have they included directx mode? Sure.Is it really that essential? No.>inb4 valve shillno, im not even gonna buy this overpriced shit, or the steam machine, but i still stand by what i said.This controller isn't really all that better than other regular controllers, and it's only redeeming qualities is being essentially perfect for using it when paired with a couch PC or the steam machine, so only somone who intends to use it with Steam should buy it.If you intend to use a controller outside of Steam, then there's way better and cheaper controller, meaning that if you use a controller outside of Steam, you shouldnt buy a Steam controller cause it's not worth it in the first place.With this in mind, why does it matter if it works outside of steam? Answer, it does not matter, it's irrelevant, any and all cases where this controller is worth anything is within Steam anyway.
>>737880932>>737880976dinput doesn't support gyro either>but dualshockgyro is exposed thru raw HID, not dinput
>>737880979You still use DS4Windows anyway for games outside of steam (I used it to make gyro work in ps2 emulators). Or 360ce if you're boomer.
>>737881025That just makes you secretly eric my nemesis in nintendo threads.I already know its you eric you cannot hide from meYou type just like eric, same uncanny sentence structure.
>>737881025It just seems daft that they didn't have some emulated xinput fallback. This isn't some small indie company, it's Valve, they could absolutely do it if they chose to. It's a deliberate limitation to keep users within their walled garden.
>>737880979>Scp toolkit>anything from Nefariousthat shit is essentially malware, kinown for causing BSOD due to its messy and faulty driver installation, and even its detailed removal guide doesnt really remove it entirely, and neither do other driver removal software>>737881109>DS4WindowsYet another infected shit that also install another Nefarious shit, ViGEmBus, which is even worse than Scp and as hard if not even harder to remove
>>737880985Such as?As far as I can tell, gyro (and most other modern controller features like it) are raw HID, there's no other low level API akin to xinput or dinput for it.
>>737881307>emulated xinputnigga thats literally the default thing the xinput does.
>>737881413oh you are asking for a grand unified thingmicrosoft had the chance and refused to do it to coast along on xbox money.they were the only people who were in a position to do so.
Uhh... uncs?
>>737881426I meant in the sense that they aren't "real" (official) xinput devices, they are mimicing xinput input data such that it'll be recognized, since doing it officially would mean going through Microsoft/Xbox certification for it, so most controllers fake it (they just fake it really well)
>>737881307>t just seems daft that they didn't have some emulated xinput fallbackOn that i agree, but in practice it doesnt really matter, cause no one in their right mind would use this shitass controller outside of Steam.To me it sounds like people are being mad just for the sake of being mad.Before this bit about it not having Xinput came out, everyone was complaining about the price and shouting that anyone buying it is just a Steamdrone, but for whatever reason we're supposed to believe that everyone is now mad it doesnt have Xinput cause otherwise they'd buy it?So which is is?Only steamdrones want it, in which case it not having Xinput is irrelevant?or everyone, who also wants it so bad they want to use it outside of steam, in which case it not having Xinput is an issue?I hope you can clearly see the two clearly can't co-exist.> It's a deliberate limitation to keep users within their walled garden.But then again, no one in their right mind should buy this controller if they don't plan to use it within steam anyway, cause even if supported Xinput, outside of Steam this controller is vastly iferior to far cheaper and better controllers out there.Lets not forget that Xinput is restricted to the XBOX internal layout, which means that even if had Xinput, none of the extra features such as touchpads, gyro, or grip sensors would work anyway, and that's a limitation of Xinput, nothing Valve itself can do anything about.
>>737881669because xinput is fucking ancient.if you natively use xinput you are restricting yourself to 4 controllers max, 4 axis, and 10 buttons.No gyro, no special sensors for triggers, NOTHING extra at all.Anything innovated in the last 15 years?Not allowed.
>>737870696It was already confirmed it doesn't work, you need to add games to steam to use it.
>>737880615Here is your steaminput that you pray to
>>737865229you don't even own your games kek
>>737881669NTA, but what you're describing is essentially Xinput wrappers, Linux does it via Xpad, and Steam also does it via Steam Input, so technically they did include what you're descrbing, cause it's literally Steam Input, but clearly you cant have Steam Input outside of Steam.>>737881830It's actually 6 axis(2 X and Y axis for each thumbstick, plus the triggers which work on a Z axis) and 15 buttons(4 face buttons, 4 drections, 2 bumpers, 2 stick buttons, start, select, and the XBOX button), but otherwise you're right.
>>737882056>saaar steam input bad its new bad things>saaar steam input bad its thing we already havemake up your mind, jeet
>>737882056Just so you know, the steam deck integrated controller and the steam controller dont work the same, cause the steam deck integrated controller DOES support Xinput.
>>737865263>aka forgot to peel off the film from cpu cooler
>>737882107If you love steaminput so much, why do you hate that steaminput emulates the xinput you hate?
Is this the first time the PC Master Race Movement has been seriously challenged? Its entire argument was that you can play “40 years of games” including Atari or whatever, which I have seen unironically promoted on this board. Yet the God-Emperor, His Highness Lord Gabe Newell bans you from using third-party applications. How will the “40 year” ideology cope with this?
its called xinput you fucking retard and if you have steam running the controller will work anyway and if someone buys the controller they very much have steam
>>737882271>saaaaaaaaaaaar why do you "thing nobody said" ?
>>737882146It will be the same if you open the game through Steam.
>>737882286Alright pajeet.how does he "ban" us from just using the OPEN SOURCE driver for the steam controller to make our own stuff?
>>737881112>still seething about getting called out days agomental illness is wild
>>737882403Nice samefag eric but I know its youThought you were clever, delivering my door dash?I know it was you eric
>>737882286Sirs...
>>737881025Modern consumers lose their shit whenever something releases that isn't directly aimed at them. People spent months thinking this was their dream controller so they're upset that it's a hyper niche product for a type of gaming they're not interested in.
It wasnt possible with steam deck being a pc and all but no doubt rewasd or any other third party software is going to make a translation layer day one gurantee
>>737882608they already have the driver for the controller side available in the SDL so yeah, easily.
>>737881830>because xinput is fucking ancient.so?it's still widely used on PC even if it's technically legacy.>>737882092Steam Input isn't equivalent since it's a software input layer, whilst third party controllers featuring "emulated" xinput protocol support are doing so at a hardware level for plug-and-play support in Win. Same concept, not the same implementation. You're comparing hardware emulation to software emulation, essentially.
>>737882646>SDLNobody uses this shit, everyone uses xinput, get over it.
>>737882691>so?it doesn't support anything developed in the last 15 years, retardalready been covered >>737878781
>>737882748Yeah I already saw your incorrect chart earlier.
>>737882736>pajeet doesn't know what SDL meansother way around, turdworlder
>STEAM CONTROLLER HAS NO WINDOWS DRIVERS>THAT WINDOWS DRIVER DOESN'T COUNT
>>737882778>saw chart>still too stupid to read itI cant get any simpler than MS paint pajeet.get a whiter cousin or something to explain it to you then.xinput is going away no matter what.
>>737882880See >>737879806
>>737860878steamies are fucking cattle
Total Sir Death
>>737882907Yeah I know, you are retarded and were arguing about semantics because you are a stupid pajeet and cannot understand english.>"saar what is this apple you have on your chart I said honeycrisp!"same shit.
>>737881351What’s the kino ds3 program?
>>737882974You just can't accept when you're wrong, can you?It's astonishing
>>737883049>saar how DARE you not realize that drawing an apple instead of a honeycrisp is WRONG!amazing how one simple (and correct) drawing mindbroke you because it said "PC" to simplify things
>>737883110>(and correct)Wrong.
>>73788260Pretty much.The only way steam can prevent this is if it goes full nintendo with its autism on emulatiors.
>>737883119>ITS NOT AN APPLE ITS A HONEYCRISPlol
>>737883164>food analogy
>>737883185well yeah, gotta get down on your level to try and communicate and all that :)do you not get apples?should I have used a poo analogy instead?
>>737860726is this controller actually comfortable to hold? because it doesn't look like it does
>>737883234the back of it is the same as every other controller you have held.
>>737883232It's so funny when an anon is wrong on /v/ and they have a full autistic meltdown over it, rather than admitting their mistake. Go ahead, continue making a fool out of yourself for all I care
It is 2026 a sandwich is 30 dollars man just get a fucking job already
>>737860726The dollar is 3 shekels a piece so it's 300 shekels actually. but>steam doesn't sell directly here>tariffs>k words overprice everythingit'll be 400
>>737883309>"I DONT CARE">continues to seethe over an ms paint drawing for hours
>>737860726*add retroarch to steam*
>>737883234the reviews i've seen said you have to have your elbows squarer than other controllers because of the design.
>>737883330>sandwich is 30 dollars man
>>737883330you could make a sandwich
>>737883674No
timmy thread
>>737883751then stop whining about them being 30 dollars since 30 dollars is clearly worth it to save yourself the 5 minutes it takes to make a sandwitch
>>737883857SPLERB
I like my elite and dual sense, I don't really have a reason to get this unless the haptics are crazy or something
>>737860726I'm on Linux so that's fine
>>737860726>reversed thumbstick and d-padno thanks
>>737860878>why should it work outside of steam? what the fuck are you doing outside of steam you normyAh yes, the underground 1337 steam.
Big hand status? The Duke was the most comfortable controller I've had
>>737860726>windowskek
>>737882349the whole discussion is about using the steam controller OUTSIDE of steam
>>737885420give a reason you would want to use the controller with steam closed
>>737885420>using the steam controller OUTSIDE of steamIt doesn't work without Steam.
>>737860726>add non steam game>it just werkswow
>>737885470>>737885494i wont, cause i agree with youi am simply pointing out that showing how the deck controls work and how they're recognized has no relevance when talking about the steam controller, cause they dont work the same way
>>737885639>they dont work the same wayThey work the same way, the old steam controller works the same way, 10 years have passed, the operation of steam input has not changed.
>>737860726It works outside of the steam, it's called lizard mode.It maps as a HID controller/mouse/keyboard.
>>737860878>why should it work outside of steam?why should something you use to interact with your PC not work with anything but x software the cope from valvecucks is unreal
>>737885745I can feel the pressureIt's getting closer nowWe're better off without youI can feel the pressureIt's getting closer nowWe're better off without you
>>737860726works on linux by default without any extrascan even use binding profiles with open source softwareanyways: back to jeetlandia with thee, scatter
>>737885792in what situation would you possess this controller without having a steam account?
>>737885707they don'tthe deck controls support Xinput, so they will always be recognized even outside of steam or without steam running(if you install windows on the deck, the controller will be seen as Xinput)the steam controller does not support Xinputso showing how a Xinput controller(the deck controls) works fine outside of steam is completely irrelevant to prove or disprove that a non-Xinput controller(steam controller) will act the same
Isnt it basically going to be a brick on wayland at launch? Lame to have to choose between HDR or using the controller. No I shant be using goyscope.
>>737860726Damn really? That's disappointing. Steam really fell off.
>>737876167teknoparrot
>>737885792Well it does. Lizard mode.It turns it into a generid HID controller, like all fucking PC controllers ,and even console controllers do.
>>737885876why would you buy a xbox controller without xbox PC gamepass? this the next cope we are on?
>>737885882>works fine outside of steamIt seems you didn't understand what I was showing.This is a browser running in game mode >>737882056This is a browser running in desktop mode >>737871280So deck does not emulate xinput by default, only through steam.
>>737886095why are you so obsessed with a standard EVERYONE is trying to move away from?
>>737885927>wayland>not xlibremiss me with that retarded half-assed bullshit
>>737879083>You're saying it works as a generic controller if Steam isn't installed?Yes, on Linux
>>737886095Cool, now show us what the "Game Controller" tab is System Settings shows.
>>737872085>coping by spreading FUDlol
EVERY NON-XINPUT CONTROLLER REQUIRES A SEPARATE OVERLAY/DRIVER. THIS ISN'T NEW.IN THIS CASE THAT OVERLAY IS STEAMIF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT A THIRD PARTY APP WILL BE MADE SHORTLY AFTER THAT EMULATES THE CONTROLLER INPUTS WITHOUT STEAM.THIS IS LITERALLY A NOTHING BURGER.YOU ARE ALL RETARDED
>>737887157but saaar the chart is incorrect!
>>737887157>controller specifically made for PC gaming>cannot be played on an OS that 93% of steam users without using a faggy emulation layeranon why are you defending the lack of Xinput from Valve when 8BitDo can do it? why defend this multibillion dollar company?
>>737888845>>controller specifically made for playing games on Steamfixed that for you, idiot.
>>737888845>8BitDo8bitdo DOES use a "faggy emulation layer" dumbass :)it proudly proclaims how it emulates it.
Can someone tell me how the fuck did Xinput become a standard when it was a literal downgrade from DirectInput in features?
>>737889052Because Microsoft forced it via their xbox controller becoming the default. Now you have people defending xinput because they don't remember the times before. Praise Microslop!
>>737889052Because it just works, developers don't need to know how a gamepad works, they just point the buttons and xinput does the rest.
>>737888845>no, please valve, let me keep my delusion of being a big boy while still using windowseither accept your second class status or fuck off
>>737889229Funny how developers before them also did that without Xinput.It's almost as if the developers got dumber...
>>737889359Without xinput, the controller call must be written in a low-level language like assembler.
>>737888845they only care if it works with steam obviously. they literally dont give a fuck if it works with any other game launcher or on your shitdows machine if its not through steam, its that simple
>>737888845Does 8shitdo's software work on Linux?
>>737889691>they only care if it works with steam obviously. they literally dont give a fuck if it works with any other game launcher or on your shitdows machine if its not through steamWhat is the name of this disease?
>>737889748I feel like it just has a kernel driver.
>>737889748You're a complete retard, 8bitdo doesn't need software to work on either windows or linux, you just plug it in and the game sees it out of the box, and you don't need steam for this, like you would for a steam controller.
>>737860771The shill campaign against Valve is inpressive
>>737889879That doesn't answer the question. Are you able to use their software to configure the controller?
>>737860878There's GoG, EGShit, Ubishit, Battle.jew, emulators and old games that don't need Steam to run.
>>737889951You can configure the controller with the software. Like setting the deadzone, button remapping, macros, all that.
>>737889975Not their software, but probably any third party. I haven't looked into standalone configurators in years since I just use steam input.
>>737889953Yet still nowhere near as impressive as Valve's continuous shill campaigns over the past decades.
question for steam deck users: do you use a dock? and if so, do you ever play games using the deck controls while it's docked? Any issues with this (my deck disconnects constantly if I try and I'm wondering if I need to get a new dock)..
>>737890507>be part of epic shill campaign>nobody believes you because you kept devolving into ranting about india being a super power early one>lie and claim this was actually a valve shill campaign against you
>>737890507it's organicall of the modern seethe against steam is revisionism acting like steam's domination wasn't beneficial when the landscape was drm filled physical games and games for windows liveit's rebellion for the sake of rebellion by retards with retro fetishes
Why are there so many DRM fans here?
>>737891080no its paid actors in india.they all stop what they are doing at exactly 5:00 pm in india time and fuck off for hours.
>>737891080>organicYou manchildren are so fucking stupid when you don't even realize you are literally PAYING to shill for Valve because you believe that your Steam account with 90%+ of games that you will never play has some sort of value. Every single Steam Winter Sale and Summer Sale is Valve literally getting paid to get free shills, because they know that most games will end up unplayed, which is why a 70-90% discount doesnt matter since it's a useless digital key. While I hope that you dumbfucks may one day realize your own stupidity, I also realize some dumbfucks are too stupid to be saved.
>>737889951>8bitdo doesn't need software to work on either windows or linux, you just plug it in and the game sees it out of the box,With wrong buttons, wrong axes, deadzones and no gyro working LMAO.
>>737860878>>737860726You and OP are both faggots for presuming it doesn't. It's fucking Bluetooth retard, it'll work
>>737886007Faggots ITT will ignore this as op is a faggot consolenigger engaging in ragebait. Basic research would tell you that its lizard mode
>>737891481You want to be using the dongle instead of Bluetooth for better latency. Ideally, you're using it wired which is the case for everything except the Dualsense.
>>737891306that's delusional>>737891329>steam is so good that people are willing to dump money into it to play games on it long term>this triggers my ocd because i want that money
>>737892576I watched them do it in this and every other steam thread I have been fucking with them in off and on.thread activity all died at 5 pm india time. fulyl wound down within 5-15 minutes.activity didn't pick back up until around 7-8 am west coast time, and its clearly not the same people doing it.
>>737892779>5 pm india timeso midnight europe time? aka people going to sleep?
>>737892576>steam is so good that people are willing to dump moneySo Steam is literally a casino? I seriously don't understand how stupid you valveshills are. Steam realizes their userbase is mostly impulsive children who have FOMO and love gambling, so they know you dumbasses will keep buying shit because you have no self control.>i want that moneyI don't really give a shit what you do with your money, but I do give a shit that dumb, underage children like you keep posting things you don't understand.
>>737893117That's also the dead of night in the US, he's seeing patterns where they don't exist and using them to assume everyone who disagrees with him is an Indian shill.
>>737860878>what the fuck are you doing outside of steam you normy?GOG is just plain better for every game you can find in GOG
>>737860878kys fucking retard
>>737893197you're quite literally just crying that steam is so trustworthy and reliable that people have it so good that they can buy games they're not planning to play any time soonyou're bitching about suffering from success, you want people to be austere just so you don't have reason to be buttmad?
>>737893117>>737893234No, europe sees people winding down gradually because it encompasses time zones from europe to the edge of asia.dumbass shills don't even know timezones lmao
>>7378933825pm in India is 4:30AM PST. Those aren't going to be heavy traffic hours.
>>737860726Oh no, all my EGS games... I'm sending mine back, bros.......
>>737893382you retarded? the vast majority of europe is in one fucking timezone
>>737893542>>737893598>>737893663what a fascinating fumbleglad to see you prove me correct though :)
>steam controller>100 bucks for a mediocre gamepad that requires you to use software to map the inputs >chinkshit>like 20 bucks for a decent enough gamepad that just worksWhew
>>737893752>you linked the wrong post so you're a jeetthere's no arguing with schizos then
>>737893896Now Valve employees will tell you that you are wrong.
>>737893918Strange... I dont recall accusing you of being a jeet.So I guess you ARE a jeet and accidently stuffed your shit-covered foot in your face?
>>737893896Even chinkshit has better quality buttons
>>737860726I legit wonder what passes through someone else's mind to not have steam open and running games via steam at all times>"b-but I have games in other clients!!!">"b-but my pirate games!!! b-but my emulation!!!"...>Steam library > add games > add non-steam gamethere, fixed your non-issue for you.
>>737893978are you being deliberately retarded or are you so autistic you don't understand the subtext of your own words?
>>737893990some of them are really stupid and don't know how to run badly done cracks of steam games.lazy people will give out cracks that still have all the files to make steam recognize it as a steam game they "need" to buy when they add it as a nonsteam game.its not hard to fix but these aren't really "people" so.....
>>737893752Okay but what does that have to do with my post in the middle?
>>737893197tendies are so fucking stupid, good lord
>>737894065>my mental hallucinations are YOUR faultuhhhhhhhhh no?>>737894110well you replied to meinteresting though.so it took about 5 hours for the more obvious shills, not you but more like >>737893957to start up.day shift in india starts ending at 5 pm...and night shift starts at 10 pm...wonder if the shill group doesn't work a swing shift to fill the gap.
>>737894365>continues to spiral based on no evidence at allhow are you different from the freaks that frequent console war threads?
>>737894365no... no new threads made.all the indian made ones are just... dying.once again affirming that india went home from work.>>737894526You don't know what evidence even is lol.When the employer of shills is dumb enough to admit they hired people in pakistan and the EARLY shills kept losing their shit over india being insulted... people tend to notice :)They shouldn't have sent untrained pajeets who got all nationalistic the first few times around.
>>737894649>When the employer of shills is dumb enough to admit they hired people in pakistan and the EARLY shills kept losing their shit over india being insulted... people tend to notice :)source your schizophrenia if you're so insistent on displaying it like that
Yeah I'm sure MS will never release a driver for this...
>>737894715oh you are a retarded newfag who doesn't know about epic games and ubisoft?interesting...
>>737894808no one mentioned any of these before younot only are you a schizo but you're also cripplingly eslnot worth anyone's attention
>>737881995Of course it works. You can navigate your entire computer with this controller.
well, dont have the image handy and since you were all so very willing to expose yourselves to me as the equivalent of the "night" crew, I am gonna wish you a pleasant shift of being useless :)
>>737894886>retard thinks nobody can search archivesOOOOOOOF that is a major tellbad form, poojeetbad form indeed.anyways, later!
>>737893990>>737893990>"b-but I am already logged on to steam!" >"b-but my account!" >... >create account and loginThere, solved your separate client non-issue for youYou know you can just buy a chink controller, pay a third of the price for a better quality controller and you don't even need to jump through hoops to play games
>>737895031No, you cannot do this, then local steam shills will not be paid.
>>737895159why would steam ever need to bother paying people for what is a service problem?
>>737895159these people acuse snoys and tendies of being cultists, and they are right, but they also act the same sometimes, jesus christ
>>737895869name anyone else worth trusting in this age though
>>737896654Certainly not multibillion dollar companies.
>>737896792what did valve do wrong?
>>737860771I wish it didnt.We need to incentivize people to stop using windows and use linux
>>737896792so... been 15 minuteswhat DID valve do wrong?
>>737881307Xinput is windows only, there is no reason for Valve to give a single fuck about it because the Steam Machine does not run on Windows. Neither does the Steam Deck.
>>737897118>>737897624Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices
The Steam Controller doesn't support native controller APIs like XInput/GameInput or even DirectInput because the purpose of the controller is to further lock you into using Steam. It's a BS practice and no one should be buying this controller. Ont top of the fact that you're forced (and locked) to use the retarded Steam Input which causes many issues in most games including input latency, double presses, faggy forced customization etc. etc. on top of being an extra faggy software emulation layer.Anyone retarded enough to disagree with this should just kill themselves and make the world a better place.
Surely /v/ will get tired of spreading FUD... Right?
>>737860726>no windows driverask grok
>>737860726I'm holding on to my money until there's a solution to get it working without steam. Otherwise the thing seems fucking great judging from the reviews.
>>737860726for $100? seems kinda pointlessI'd rather just get a dual sense or an xbox controller for cheaper althoughthan
>>737879402Funny, my Xbox controller doesn't need Xbox to run.Also, PS controllers not working properly was an issue as well. Or course, Linux just solves all of that. I'm betting it will for this as well, let's see.
>>737880394Doesn't mean my hardware depending on it to function is ok.
>>737900356linux
>>737899208Okay chang
Does anybody know if this can be rebound to screenshot or is it locked to being a quick menu? I use the xbone controller primarily for the screenshot button. i know i could technically rebind anything to be screenshot but I specifically like this button placement for it so it can be a deal breaker fo rme.
>>737900675>Funny, my Xbox controller doesn't need Xbox to run. Wow the Microsoft Controller works on the Microsoft OS out of the box! Are you seriously this fucking retarded?
>>737900896Why are you brown?
>>737901062>phoneposterquiet, favela monkey
>>737900896I need windows for work but I suppose I could install linux on another nvme for gaming purposes, but that's a lot to ask of me after I buy a 100€ controller.
>>737900991If its based on steam deck, steam and ... Button are hard bound to features, unlikely literally everything else. However there's a system level bind of steam + r1 which is screenshot in steam deck, iirc
>>737900991there are a lot of buttons on this thing
>>737900946Wow, those are some huge people.
>>737860726>no windows driversthat's a good thing, xinput has crippled couch gaming
>>737860726Just like the original Steam Controller.It's gonna take a couple of weeks at most for SC Controller to support it so you can use it outside Steam.
>>737887157thisthere's a team of poorly paid (free) anti-steam shills going full force right now on /v/
>>737881307The entire reason this conversation is happening is because Microsoft used their walled gardens (Xbox and Windows) to force xinput on others. Valve's controller doesn't require steaminput or Steam, it works with SDL.
>>737871791That's the fault of the programmers. I use XOutput if I want to play with a DS4 and the game doesn't support it.
>>737905119most devs won't use SDL, and older games never will support it
>>737871791xinput was the worst thing to happen to PC controllers.
xinput was the best thing to happen to PC controllers.
>>737889578The horror, they might have to actually know what they're doing!
>>737860878>all these idiots falling for obvious bait>ONE anon calling him a newfagShameful how far this place is fallen
>>737900991Likely not. The purpose of it is to open a menu that overrides other functionality so rebinding it and the home button would allow you to softlock yourself.
>>737860726OMG GUIZ! HE SAID "SHEKELS"! THAT IMPLIES JOOS! HILARIOUS!Is that supposed to be my response?
>>737907334Yeah, they are the same way on steam deck for system level access. Its like if you rebound ctrl alt delete on windows and couldn't unfreeze stuff. Still a MASSIVE amount of inputs
>>737879083I have a third party controller that's been out of support since like windows 7, and all I've done is tell it to use windows 10 xbox controller drivers on Windows 11 and it works fine. You can probably do the same thing with it and get majority functionality out of it, though I imagine the trackpacks will bork.They can of course later make a Windows driver too if they feel like it.
the lack of a dedicated screenshot button really turns me off but I guess I could get used to binding one of the back buttons to it.
>>737915146Steam button+r1 is dedicated screenshot bind, you donkey.Same as steam deck.
>>737915217i don't want a button combination, i want just a single button.
>>737915217that's not a dedicated button, just a combination. that extra 0.5 sec to remember and press the combo could make you miss the moment.
>>737860726Have any controller reviewers like VK's channel or vcuda actually reviewed this thing? I don't give a fuck what Gamer's Nexus thinks
>>737915325If you only care about two specific reviews, why don't you just go look there? Controllers are extremely subjective anyway, rarely being objective like how the N64 is objectively dogshit.
>>737915294So bind literally anything to screenshot?? Like the under buttons. Or make steam record a demo.These complaints are silly, you are asking for WORSE hardware by asking for a screenshot button you can't rebind
>>737860878>normy>retarded take>shitton of repliesNever change /v/.
>>737863842Not poor but Trump is trying to make me
>>737899072>its just an ancient pajeet shill talking pointLMAOso valve did nothing wrongas usual
>>737899208NOBODY's controller supports native xinput, dumbass.they emulate it.everyone has been emulating it for years and years
Ehh all this rage baiting will just make it funnier when it sells out instantly
>>737919386this is literally the apple fanboy mindset
>>737919781Apple products aren't open to be modded
Man, the controller really broke Timmie
>>737919868im talking about the idea that it sells out instantly therefore its good value. there are lots of chang controllers with gyro and tmr joysticks and 3-pin connector batteries that can be disassembled with just a screwdriver kit and they cost far less. it's really a lot of marketing fluff from valve, its sad seeing youtubers focus so heavily on tmr sticks as if valve invented them and that they aren't common place on controllers that arent made by xbox or playstation
Some thoughts and responses to the issues people bring up with the new Steam Controller. Note I've used original model and Deck for many years, just to establish I have some experience with Steam Input as a long-term user.>Does not register as a generic x-input controller>>1 why it is that way and why it's necessary given what the Steam Controller is for (media center PCs).This has been a thing with the original Steam Controller and Deck. The controls have a default "hardware mode" where the face buttons send generic keyboard inputs. A button is Enter, and so on. Once Steam is running, the controller goes into "software" mode, where Steam is a layer telling your computer what inputs the button presses mean. And there is a very good reason for this. Say Steam crashes, or your system reboots to safe mode or whatever - you can do something with your Steam Controller to correct the situation - because it's just a funky keyboard and mouse to the OS. It's needed for a PC controller, windows or Linux, and especially for handheld PCs which rarely have actually keyboards available.>>2 In considering the criticism, what can be done to alleviate the issue?Okay so you want to use the Steam Controller as a generic x-input on your PC? First and easiest thing to do is to add your game shortcut to your Steam library as a non-Steam game, Steam Input will set it as a regular x-input.Okay, so you don't want to have to use Steam to launch your other games? Well if you are okay with Steam running in the background you can change (in Steam settings) the desktop configuration of the Steam Controller to be all the standard Xbox inputs. From that point on windows and any non-Steam games you run will see it as an x-input device.If you just don't want to have Steam running at all the controller will be in hardware mode, so no I guess it won't work for you in that case.How many motherfuckers gaming on PC don't have Steam running at startup and all the time already? Be real.
I'll wait until they discontinue it and sell it for $5 to get rid of the stock like they did like their previous abomination.
>>737920142Name 1 with trackpads that isn't steamO waitInfact its funny you don't even bring up the pads>>737920159>How many motherfuckers gaming on PC don't have Steam running at startup and all the time already? Be real. Basically fucking none, its an ENORMOUS cope.Besides that there will probably be software made for non steam functionality, like old steam controller had.And shits not even out yet
>>737920390if you own a steam deck you know you only ever use the trackpads in desktop mode, at most maybe you bind then to extra buttons if you are playing an mmo but actual controllers have 2-4 extra back buttons now. even in reviews people say the trackpads do work for some games like rts games as they intend but they'd rather not use them. i really don't see 2 trackpads being $50 in value compared to chinese controllers, it's just marketing and fanboy hype blinding you
>>How many motherfuckers gaming on PC don't have Steam running at startup and all the time already? Be real.emulators, epic, battle net, gog, xbox gamepass, etc. steam can use up to like 2-4gb of ram at idle if left running especially if it starts updating games + all the network usage, many people try to close as many unnecessary background tasks as possible when playing games. it's a cope to say it's actually a good thing that it requires steam open
My big issue is that until devs start developing games with the trackpads in mind, they are completely and utterly worthless, as they're WORSE substitutes in every single instance. Worse accuracy than a mouse, less functional than a keyboard for macros, they just don't need to exist, but they're shoved in so they might as well use them.But they won't, so they'll continue to get 0 usage, same shit as the touchpad on ps4/ps5 controllers, there were like 15 games that used it between the systems.
>>737920567Different Anon but I make use of the track pads frequently enough to care. One underrated use case is having the left trackpad act as a weapon wheel in fps>Laptop track pads suck why would I want that?I think people misunderstand what the track pads on these devices feel like when you actually use them. It is much more similar to using a track ball mouse than the track pads you find on laptops. It is basically a no-moving-parts emulation of a track ball. You cannot be shown in a video how the haptic feedback simulates the feeling of rolling a ball with your thumb.I don't tend to use them very frequently in many games on the Deck as the right stick + gyro combination works more comfortably (which, again is a feature only valve is offering). But, having the utilities when needed and the option to play a mouse pointer reliant game is nice.
>link non steam game to steam>it worksWooooooooW
I knew I should've got a gamesaar instead.
>>737920567Don't act like you are the definitive authority on how people use steam controllers bro. Almost every single layout for any non simple game uses pads for all kinds of stuff You are just telling me you barely experimented with them>>737920709>steam can use up to like 2-4gb of ram at idle if left running especially if it starts updating games + all the network usageYou say when idle, then Name a situation where it's absolutely not idle.Steam when truly idle is nowhere near that heavy on ram>>737920804Sounds like you've never used pads and have no clue what you are talking about. Clearly never touched a steam deck.
>Buy the ES Pro for $30>Have everything the Steam Controller has except trackpads (Which lets be honest no one fucking uses.)>Everything just works out of the box without any additional softwareFeels good not to be goycattle. Steamies really are the applefags of the PC world now.
>>737921084See>>737920892That's a single example, and you can put multiple functions on a trackpad at once.Utilizing pads to its fullest is literally an IQ test, if you are sub 80, you will never understand how cool they are.
>>737860878i own game on like many different stores, and im not gonna repurchase twice for steam
>>737920892you can just bind one of the back buttons to open the radial wheel on hold and have your right or left stick to select an option I use this in PSO, you are moving your finger off the joystick to access the radial wheel with the trackpad its not really ideal.
>>737860726The entire point of getting this $100 controller with all these extra inputs is to configure it with steam input. It's cool to use steam input with the steam deck for sure. Without steam input you just want a weird shaped xbox controller that costs extra for things you won't use?
>>737921273when using an actual controller* >>737921278you should still have the option
>steam controller doesnt work outside steamif this is the biggest contention people have then valve has absolutely won
>apple product doesnt work outside the apple ecosystemif this is the biggest contention people have then apple has absolutely won
>>737921372Doesn't work outside it YET. REMINDER, people already did that for old steam controller which isn't THAT different.These complaints will be dead in the water in 6 months tops
>>737921273True, matter of taste. The method you describe is also possible in Steam Input I believe.>>737921185>Utilizing pads to its fullest is literally an IQ testHaha, very true but I also think valve has done terribly communicating how they work. Basically no games have a good use for them by default, user always has to set up what they want.
>>737921185No nigger, you aren't a supreme intellectual for using a preference you dumb fucking ape.You're completely overselling a niche feature and pretending that it's a sign of high intellegence when its not, it's a different input method with plenty of trade offs. Trackpads aren't some new magical fairy tech that's just come into play, they've been there for decades now and if they were superior they'd be the industry standard by now and they aren't just like gyro too. There is a reason you just don't see them outside of Valve hardware because games are already optimised for sticks and thats what people are comfortable with and completely easy to pick up. The weapon wheel on trackpad isn't groundbreaking in anyway either. Radial menus have worked on sticks for years, you really are just solving a problem that has already been solved for years. Trackballs don't help your case either as it was also a niche input device that never took off, they're situational not universally better.The real issue is usability vs playoff. Trackpads:>Require setup and tweaking>Have to be configured game by game basisStandard controller>Works instantly>Supported everywhere right out of the box>gives 90% of the functionality with zero frictionAnd this is why no one fucking cares about trackpads, not for "low iq" but because the benifit doesnt outweigh the hassle.Calling it an "IQ test" just makes it sound like you're en egotistical retard that wants to feel smarter than everyone else to justify liking it when you just have a preference.
If you are crying that you can't use steam, you dont actually play video games
>>737921647the method I described does need the steam input for pso, I do like the steam input system but I really think there is a lot of marketing miasma that is misleading people or making people think they need something they don't with their controller. I don't think it's a bad controller or a bad design I just think it's overpriced and I think it will burn a lot of people when they get it
>>737921839Then don't cry when people skip it for a $40 controller that has 95% of the features and works everywhere then.
>>737921791Which of us are you calling nigger, melty?
>>737921882That sounds ideal for everyone. You need a steam account to buy this.
>>737863924FUCKING DELETE THIS
>>737921839desu the few times i use a controller its on an emulator on a device that doesnt run steam, like a retropi or a vintage computer running linux or something
>>737922052I accept your concession.
>>737921791>Trackpads aren't some new magical fairy tech that's just come into play, they've been there for decades nowHardware yes, software no. The software to do all the steam input shit is FAIRLY new, and the software is WHAT MAKES it special. Were it JUST mouse and unchangeable, I'd agree.>Trackpads:>>Require setup and tweaking>>Have to be configured game by game basis>Standard controller>>Works instantly>>Supported everywhere right out of the box>>gives 90% of the functionality with zero frictionOne, ill give you that tweaking to YOUR preferred setup can take a bit, but this is why there's official layouts, community layouts, ect. All of which you can also tweak.As for comparing to a normal controller, steam controller can do all of that too if its native controller support anyway. You don't honestly think you HAVE to rebind every single thing for every game do you???I played superhot on deck, used gamepad layout, instantly worked just as good as any xbox controller.The real difference is as soon as you play non controller or mouse games, a regular controller kinda falls off HARD in what it can do, but a steam controller could keep upAlso you saying "this is why nobody cares about trackpads" after suggesting xbox controller SOMEHOW works better than steam controller for native controller support games, is fucking proof you failed the iq test lmao.>>737921647Fair, steam input DOES take a marginal amount of effort to get into, but its really like comparing riding a 1 gear gokart, to flying a plane, when you compare a standard controller to steam input on deck or steam controller.It basically does as much as you are capable of asking it to do, IF you know how to ask it.
>>737922492>The real difference is as soon as you play non controller or mouse gamesWhich games?
>>737922492Valves number #1 fanboy preparing for duty on 4chan, I hope they give you a special badge for your time in the trenches
>>737922492>after suggesting xbox controller SOMEHOW works better than steam controller for native controller support games, is fucking proof you failed the iq test lmao.You are the dumbest motherfucking shill I have ever seen. XInput is the fucking standard on PC, the vast majority of games since about 2005 when they tried the GFWL push have shipped with it and they still do to this day. This controller relies on Steam Input to function. Yes any controller that has native XInput is going to be significantly better.
>what do you mean the steam valve steam controller by valve won't work on anything other than valve's steam library by valve?
>How dare you want to use a $100 controller outside steamShill.
>uhm sweatie poor people existwe know and we hate you
>>737915269THEN CHANGE IT RETARD RAAAAAGH I HATE CRACKERS GRRRRRR!!!!!!!
>You are just poorThe jews love cocksuckers like you, don't choke on that rabbi's cock.
>>737860726>doesnt even have windows driversGood
>>737922535>Which games?Which games aren't built around "normal" controller layout being native, or insufficient????Unreal gold, teardown, rimworld, mordhau, halflife, arma3, beamnd drive, caves of qud, oblivion, openxcom extendedJust a brief look at my INSTALLED games, which I could see benefiting immensely from pads, or already do>>737922712>ALL HAIL XINPUT NOT ONCE have I had issues with steam deck controls not working for me in the past year dude. And among native controller support games (super hot, bro force, death road to Canada, borderlands, ect) steam deck works with them absolutely fine. And the only, ONLY reason I've wanted a "Normal" controller is purely if I'd rather set my deck down. Not once have i felt like steam decks control's are insufficient, and since steam controller is just a deck with less parts and more buttons, this part is a complete nothing burger.
>jews out of nowheretruly gods chosen peopleits certainly that anon's
>>737860878Based post, Xbitches deserve the rope.
>>737921372Valve doesn’t want you to play this on pc, they want you to play it on their underpowered console full off off-the-shelf consumer components for the low price of $999. Please look forward to it.
>>737923165>Lists games that would be much more superior with a mouse and keyboard. Also Oblivion has X360 support with NorthernUI. And literally plays as if it was the X360 version after with the menus too.
>>737923206God, I love Valve, fuck third wolders.
>>737923263>>Lists games that would be much more superior with a mouse and keyboard.That's literally what you asked for. Games without native control support, or mouse dependent. OR AT LEAST objectively better on keyboard compared to normal gamepad>Oblivion has X360 support with NorthernUI.>And literally plays as if it was the X360 version after with the menus too.>As if it was X360>X360Oh god I'm gonna puke, so dialogue, menus, and typing is done through stick. Based bs, and I can't bind dozens of spare buttons? HARD PASS
I think I finally figured out who the shitposters against Nintendo, Sony, and Valve are, it's ESL third world poorfag PC shits with either no money or won't be able to get Steam Hardware because it won't be sold in their country. If not that, some poorfag redditor, lmao. If you have a PC, why would you use anything other than Steam. Hell, SteamOS is right there.
>>737923206Yet people are already testing this on their own pc with review units... so how would that work? Shill
>>737921235Are you merely pretending to be retarded?
>>737921341An option that doesn't really make sense since to use half the features of the steam controller you need steam input, because xinput doesn't support gyro or haptic sensors or trackpads. Even if the controller did support xinput, without steam you couldn't use any of the buttons or features that fall outside of the scope of an Xbox 360 controller due to the limitations of xinput. At that point the real question is not whether the steam controller should support xinput, but whether the end user wants the features of the controller. If someone wants the features then they'll use steam input and add non-steam games to steam to use those features. If someone doesn't want or care about gyro or trackpads or any of the other features enough to use steam input, they should buy a different controller that'll probably cost less.
>>737923482I wish I could move the goalposts this hard. First it's "games need trackpads to even function" now it's "I don't like that it's an xbox laytout"Completely different arguments. Oblivion having proper controller support with a mod already disproves your argument that games need trackpads. After getting beatdown so hard you're running off to "I want more bindings and mouse control" but thats not an argument, thats a preference. Not an upgrade or an IQ filter. Also "ew dialogue menus on sticks" is a really weird hill to die on when oblivion lets you press up/down on the keyboard and enter to select which is no different to up down on the dpad and a to select. The "dozens of spare buttons" argument doesnt make sense either, the trackpad isn;t giving you a full keyboard, it's giving layered inputs that still require lots of setup, memorization and compromise. Really what it comes down to isYou like the trackpads, thats fine.Majority of people are still going to like the plug and play sticks and won't care about trackpads in the slightest. Theres no intellegence gap, but you are wrong for pretending like theyre ome galaxy brain superior solution when you keep shifting the argument to defend them.But as expected from a Valve Drone.
>>737923206No, they don't want to endorse using windows in any capacity If you were rational then you wouldn't either
>>737923958Because no one actually gives a flying fuck about gyro or trackpads, the amount of people that use these are a very low percentage. It's fine to like them but pretending like they are some big need is weird.
Guys...
>>737924098Okay? Then the people who want those features will buy the controller? And the people who don't want/care about those features won't buy the controller? What's your point.
>>737924332Why would they spend $100 on a controller that only works on Valve's ecosystem. People who want gyro on PC are usually emulator tards for WiiU/Switch/Some PS3 emulation and you can enable that on any controller with Gyro built in by switching to SDL.
>500+ posts of autistic screeching from shazam schizoids pretending a ds4 windows equivalent for the gabe controller won’t be madeThis entire board is just people desperately trying to convince you that the sky is green
>>737924009>First it's "games need trackpads to even function" now it's "I don't like that it's an xbox laytout"I literally said neither of those.I said that if I'm trying to play a game that's already controller made for (bro force) steam controller is functionally identical to xbox.If I'm playing something that does better on mouse and keyboard (rimworld) the steam controller gets me so god damn close to it with its setup's, i can comfortably play on the couch without worrying about "fuck i can't use this game feature on the controller because not enough buttons">Also "ew dialogue menus on sticks" is a really weird hill to die on when oblivion lets you press up/down on the keyboard and enter to select which is no different to up down on the dpad and a to select.What retarded fuck uses arrow key over scroll wheel? Just bind scroll wheel to pad. Or mouse for both huge and precise movements. >The "dozens of spare buttons" argument doesnt make sense either, the trackpad isn;t giving you a full keyboardIt LITERALLY WILL GIVE YOU a full keyboard with every single fucking key if you want it do do so. I don't know who would need this many keys (wow players???!) but you can.>still require lots of setup, memorizationFair>Compromise Compared to xbox? LolBut I admit pad and gyro IS still not quite on mouse level. I'd say dpad is like 5%, JOYSTICK is 30, pad is like 80, mouse is 100. Even then mouse and gyro leave me never needing to pick up my mouse and have my aim dead when its midair.>Majority of people are still going to like the plug and playFair. And if you only like controller supported games and absolutely can't be arsed to learn / tinker even slightly with settings/browse layouts you won't like it.>Theres no intellegence gapI'd argue there's many who just can't sacrifice the brain power to make STELLAR layouts. I beat serious sam on hard because of a killer layout when i couldn't before on mouse. So there's something special.
>>737924910You didn;t say it word for word but was inplied, "theyre just really good" is a downgrade from your original stance. Broforce point works against you if a game is already designed for controller then the steam controller being "functionally identical proves the trackpads arent adding anything meaningful. For stuff like RimWorld, yeah, trackpads can approximate mouse input. No one’s arguing that. The question is whether that approximation is worth the setup, learning curve, and inconsistency. For most people, it isn’t, which is why it never went mainstream.“Full keyboard on a trackpad” also sounds better than it actually is. You can map it, sure. But usability matters more than theoretical capability.Theres a reason people don't really play MMO's on controllers as cramming 30 keybinds onto a controler becomes slower and less intuitive. And the “brain power” argument doesn’t hold up. Spending time tweaking configs doesn’t make something inherently bette, it just means you’re willing to invest more effort into it. People optimize for plug and play, not tinkering.Beating Serious Sam with a custom layout just shows you found something that works for you. It doesn’t prove the input method is superior just that you adapted to it.Am I smarter than you for beating elden ring on a guitar hero controller?
>>737924458>Why would people buy steam controller tied to steamBecause they want the features and valve provides the means to use them in any game retard. There's not much else to say.>SDLThe new steam controller natively supports SDL in windows as did the old one
Fact of the matter is majority of people buy xinput controllers. No one is going to buy this.
>>737925345>You didn;t say it word for word but was inplied, "theyre just really good" is a downgrade from your original stanceI think I see your confusion.Yes, if I'm going to play something with dozens and dozens of binds that normally would need a keyboard and I CAN'T play on keyboard, I'd say in that situation, steam controller is the only way. Because no way in fuck is xbox controller doing it, but steam controller can.For bro force, my argument wasn't that its better, and never was, it's that, if the game is already 100% built for controller, steam controller is dead even. Give me xbox or steam controller, for THAT GAME, this makes 0 difference.But other games still maintain sc advantage.>The question is whether that approximation is worth the setup, learning curve, and inconsistency.Most people said yes with steam deck, and people were BEGGING for a steam controller a year ago.But yes , it does take learning, mice, and joysticks also had a learning curve.Full keyboard of course won't be as ergonomic as an actual keyboard yes. But again, if you MUST use controller, its not even a comparison. Sometimes I want to play on the couch.As for slower and less intuitive, that's more about layout and muscle memory, nested controls allow you to do MORE inputs than a keyboard, all bring like 2 button presses away from any state.If you got trained into a layout, i could see it exceeding keyboard simply off less muscle effort alone, compared to reaching across an entire keyboard, but admittedly you are correct it takes learning/ setting up.For serious sam, it was specifically 1, i never needed to raise my mouse and set down to adjust , and my weapons could instantly switch to anything without reaching over to numbers
>>737924098Another x input victimGyro alone is fucking great
>>737926009People not knowing the joy of 1 handed flick shooting a guys head off with gyro as you eat a taco in your other are really missing out on the fun of gyro.
