>>737864194so eloquent
Hunter is low-tier even before the patch
>nerfed Stimulation, made inbreeding more punishingi knew it was coming but i'm still a bit sour over it
>>737864148CBT simulator
>>737864391Honestly devastating. I hate comparing family trees and micro managing the breeding. Just let me play with freaks
>>737864148>give mage a bunch of unnecessary buffs>don't actually fix the class' only real problem (psychosis), just make it rarerHow did ed and ty not notice that the only people calling mage 'inconsistent' were absolute shitters?
holy shit...
I just checked the patch notes. I'm not too hyped
>>737864148Dunno if this is very documented but you can store poop if you pick up furniture that has it
I hope the Forbidden pool is way bigger now, I want to try more disorders in my runs but it's a pain to find them.>>737864391I'm glad I accidentally bred my cats as the devs intended. I ignored any breeding guide, threw away every single birth defect and piped the parents of any moderate inbred kitten
gonna be funny watching game discourse devolve entirely into complaining about breeding because you can't just half-ass it anymore
>>737864802The only thing I've enjoyed from the mage is Epiphany, and it feels so much better on other classes. That huge frontloaded mana on Epiphany+ is really nice.
>Arthur rolled Bloodzerk>smacks my jester who has used Counter>dies instantly on turn 1Life's good sometimes.
>>737864959you can do this in real life too
Haha, what's up six-eyes? Fucking nerd
>>737864959I really hope for a way to offload furniture. I don't want to scroll through rows of long obsolete duplicates.
do the cats talk like in Garfield where they can only communicate with themselves and other animals? when they say those quotes in the intro would a human hear it or just meowing.
>wolf form monk with goofball
>>737865149The radio dj is a cat
>>737865180I'd believe it.
Post cats.
>>737864194He's dumb, dumb as rocks.Could never add and just barely talks
>>737865275here's a "cat"
>RNGslop
How did repair soul jar get away with it?
>>737865275MY TEETH ARE SHARP LIKE A RAZOR BLADEUNLESS YOU WANT BIG TROUBLE, GET OUT OF MY WAY
>>737865275I love my catsThey have the ugly feet trample mutation but I still love them
>>737865275your mutated freaks can still be cute, you just haven't put in the effort
damn, now I actually have to make a mutation room to get good mutations
>have to grind out 100 used cats for final room which is now more essential than everGreatWonderful
>>73786606725 alley runs, get to it
>>737866067You were meant do short Alley runs to rack up equipment for Act 2 and veteran cats to be donated to Frank.You have only yourself to blame for playing wrong. Give me the controller.
>grindingjust keep doing completion marks on all classes on easier acts and difficulties and you will keep getting more powerful organically while actually having fun instead of going through alley 50 times
>>737866128>>737866148That's really the meta huh. The equipment drops don't even encourage it.
>>737866238I dunno, to me it sounds you are missing "essential than ever final room" >>737866067
>>737865275
>>737866262Stop talking back. When your superiors tell you what you did wrong, you go to fix your errors and not waste everyone's time with talking back. Your ego is not worth it.
>>737866262I actually haven't done it myself because it seems like a slog, but it's the fastest way to do it if that's what you need. 2nd screen that shit
No one play the beta. It deleted my 200 hour save I’m pissed.
>>737866067I'm getting by just fine without the final room. In fact, I really only use three rooms.
>Hunter's Boon is once/turnBut whyIf it were just "+5 int" it would be strictly better but still be a sub-par passive now.At least it makes that fetin more exciting. Though there's still no real way to pass those down consistently.
>>737866428because once you had hunter's boon+ with a decently high charisma, you could annihilate everything on the map in 0 rounds with no counterplay. you could kill multi phase bosses without even giving your other cats a turn.
>>737866364It's so fucking easy to make backups anon. Have this be a lesson (I lost a 800 hour Isaac save to corruption)
>>737866515But 5 mana per turn is nothing. The upgrade is cool and I have no problem with it, but its current form is insulting.At least bump it to +8 or something. Leaving the number unchanged just feels like they condemned it to death and didn't care about where the corpse landed.
>>737864148glad i finished my playthrough before all these cancer changes become final lol
>>737866428it'd make more sense to just give it diminishing returns. +5 then +4 then +3 etc.i do get why they gutted it though because it's a god tier passive for an already busted class and is good on literally any cat that can kill things
>>737866298That's some weird gay energy you got going on
>>737866067>now more essential than everit was never essential. maybe convenient, but I got the nuke ending with 3 rooms and i'm not having much trouble doing the Hard/Crazy/Impossible completion with 4
>>737866364Check if the backups are okC:\Users\[Anon]\AppData\Roaming\Glaiel Games\Mewgenics\[Numbers]\saves\backupsIf they are ok, take the most recent one and change its name to steamcampaign01 and place it in the saves folder
Holy shit my squad feels invincible
>>737864391>nerfed Stimulation, made inbreeding more punishingHow? two 7/7 cats with the same 10 mutations will still make the same kittens with 7/7 stats and the same 10 mutations. You're still going to inbreed a lot to purify your bloodlines
If I lose to a house boss do I get another chance in the future to fight them? pyrophina beat me cause I didn't have anything to deal with fire on my team
>>737866583You're exaggerating a lot for an upgraded passive that maxes your mana out every turnyes, every turn. Hunter's boon gives you mana for ANY kill now, including familiars like flies
>>737866287Fifi...
I'm lazy, can someone link me the changes?>>737866796Good luck anon>>737866952Yes, they come back after a few days
Wtf??
Shame this isn’t winning best indie game at the Geoff awards
>>737867189It's on the game's newsfeed
>Beanies finally gave me Bubble Boy to Act1I'm prepared now. You won't kill 3 of my cats and force me to run back home with my tail between my legs this time
>>737864194I'd like an event where you encounter a retard character that you wouldn't understand with a normal cat, but you can understand with a retard cat perfectly.
>extra turn head mutation give -2 speed nowFuck you! It took me like 200 hours to get than and now half my cats have it.
Qrd on the patch?
>>737867528Read nigga, READ!
There should have been more fucking cat management QOL if you're going to make the breeding autism more punishing for inbreds.That's just fucking ridiculous.
>>737867528It ruined my fist of fate builds I’m leaving a negative review Edmund did not take any notes on how not to balance their game like slay the spire 2.
>>737867189>>737867419Thx. Gotta link it for others like mehttps://store.steampowered.com/news/app/686060/view/702141174212722875
>tfw did a solo Hunter run where I rolled Scatter Shot and Hunter's Boon before it got nerfedEh. Nice.>Cursed Items and Parasites are no longer excluded from item degradation.NOOOOOOOOO MY CALLUS WITH OVER A 100 ARMOR TO CHEESE EVERYTHING WITH STONE FISTS
>>737864148post butthole
>no mech suit buffWhyyyyy, at least that's need HP buffffff
>just got my first stone fists cat back home literally last run, ready to make history with my callus>the very next day the patch hitsFUCKI know I could just turn off the beta but I'm not a pussy.
>Fixed Stimulation treating birth defects on parents the same as positive mutations. Higher stimulation now decreases the chance of birth defects on parents being inherited.>The effects of Stimulation are now reduced the more inbred a kitten is.>The chances of inheriting a parent's birth defect are significantly increased the more inbred the kitten is.>"Mutation" stat will no longer reroll any existing mutations or birth defects.>"Mutation" stat will now only roll simple mutations (+2/-1 stat ones) until >10 Mutation. More Mutation beyond this will increase the chance of rolling mutations with effects.>>>Forbidden Spells: Now have 2 separate disorder pools, a basic pool (90% chance) and a crippling pool (10% chance). Psychosis is in the crippling pool. Luck affects which pool is chosen.What the fuck? So now you get punished for spending time into breeding?Also use Smart Metronome while you can because the changes to forbidden spells make it fucking broken now as you are penalized less for a forbidden spell selection.
>>737865275MOOOOOT
>>737867817Fart Metronome needs a little (read: a LOT) more than a slight indirect buff before I'll consider picking it up again. That shit is garbage.
>the +1 bonus turn head mutation now also gives -2 speedNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>7378679384 smart metronome cats have carried me all the way through act 2 with turn 1 kills and only end when 3 of the cats get psychosis via forbidden spells. Getting split the atom regulary makes it a nuclear fart metronome.
>>737867996If you're running all 7s on your cat stats this is a non-issue
>>737867338how big that strap
>>737868006My line in the sand is the removal of all forbidden spells from the smart metronome's pickable spells. Nobody would ever willingly play those spells, so I'd argue they aren't very SMART picks for a random pool of GOOD spells.
>Fighter is still broken as everFeels good
>>737868118The patch is reworking forbidden spells to have more disorders and Psychosis is moved to very rare.Pretty worth it now if you draw unrestricted too
>>737868035No it's a very big issue. You simply cant run hunters and butchers with that shit >motherfucking 3 speed
>Higher stimulation now decreases the chance of birth defects on parents being inherited.But I like the -1 Charisma +10% dodge chance birth defect...
>>737868326Mutations aside, butcher has a hook and ranger is ranged for crying out loud.
>extra turn head gets hamstrung>bruise wings are still untouched Praise be!
>>737868035Fuck off, speed is king, especially on higher skills. 5 speed isn't good enough for act 3 impossible. Also makes the mutation even more punishing on hunter and butcher.Can something not
>>737868454I already have a breeding pool of double bruisewing cats. Shit is so good
>>737868450yeah, who cares about things like turn order and movement range. Just move 3 tikes and cry the enemy is still aut of range (assuming you're still alive as you're acting last)
>>737868497>Fuck off, speed is kingSpeed means nothing if you can still kill something within range despite the hindered movement range.
>>737868450It also effects turn order and being only able to move 3 squares is fucking cancer. Speed is the most important stat in the game and it's not close
>>737866796Nooooo!! The next zone is locked... I was having so much fun spamming circle of protection, suplexing shit with my tank and blowing shit up with the dps
>>737866364There's probably a way to recover it, but man I would be so sad if that happened.
>MUH SPEED MUH SPEED!Literal skill issue. I run pic rel and even with the -3 movement I do solo fighter runs with ease
>>737868549What if it's still out of range or behind something, then you still do no damage.What if you are playing impossible and everything moves before your cats, often several times? Come back when you start playing past normal, it is obvious speed is king.
>>737868621You also probably have blood frenzy and touched or something, so yes in cases where you infinite turns, speed is not king.
>>737868035Aren't you just supposed to have +speed mutations to balance it out
>>737868687N-no...
Generals belong in /vg/
>>737868621>fighter has +2 speed>fighter has confrontfucking lmao. 2/10, put more effort into your bullshitting next time
>>737868717Yeah.
>>737867338for me its the cat just watching with the "wtf am I looking at" expression
So how will this affect the breeding meta now? It looks like it is going to be a whole lot harder now you are forced to breed with strays
>>737868780
>>737868790have you people not always included strays in your bloodline? they're always gonna be the recessive ones in the pair anyway
>>737867338>questionable_consent>pegging>female/female>macro>kaiju>feral>dinosaur>feline>reptile
>>737868960I usually keep 5 pairs of breeding cats in a high stim room and cycle them out with better mutations or ability sets from the kittens made, with birthdefects being removed via a high mutation room or just breeding until I get a birthdefect free kitten that is close enough to the birthdefect parent with all of the good stats or abilities.
>>737868790>mild and moderate inbreeding is fine>if inbreeding gets high, throw a stray into the breeding room to refresh the bloodline a bitIt's what you've been doing all this time, no?
>>737868549>Speed means nothing if you can still kill something within range despite the hindered movement range.Hunterfags can't leave their clutch class. Edmund should've let bosses have mirror buff so these scrubs will learn better
>>737867739
>>737869137Nice try, but that is clearly your belly button.
Finally after countless runs I got my perfect repair jar tinker. Rolled some awesome passives on him too. I can only imagine it will be nerfed into irrelevancy in a few short weeks.
Give me the quick rundown on how to force breed the extra head mutation into the gene pool so i can have all op cats
>>737869137h-hot...
>>737869353You need to find it first.
>>737865275Look at this fat fucking bitch. So fat from me injecting all the disorders syringes I've saved up for when I roll a cat with Schadenfreude, 100 meaty health points at level one. She carried my Impossible Act III run. Also got Power Up from the Jester class because I gave her an item that let her roll skills from other classes so that was fun.
>>737869353Act 2 > Crater > Shimmer eventRoom with high mutationBoom
Damn they really when a nerfed Fist of Fate into movement tech.Unless different segments of large bosses count as "different targets"
>>737869509Went and nerfed*
>Ice paws passive will now make it so that you can damage frozen unitsFellas... has the ICE META finally arrived? I've got JUST the creature lined up for this
>>737869813You bet your ass. We loading up on ice baby items now
>>737865275>>737866287
Uh-Oh, we have a big ass problem. How elusive is Dr. Beanie?
Beanies bossfight where he's summoning crazy failed experiments like Shadow Okumura
I hate the desert, I feel like I have such a harder time getting an act 2 run going
>>737870291It's the causaul filter anon.You are not a causal are you?
>>737864194Same energy.
> Chance of inheriting a voice from a parent is now 75% instead of 98%.Why is this even in the game? That's not how it fucking works. Also damn at those mage buffs
>>737865275Behold: the biggest pigmy cat.
>>737867604I already told you anon. It's by design, you are a zombie crazy cat lady in this game.
>>737870763if you had to tie in a bow, you'd understand.
Would Tuff have even been a good fit for fighting Lord Bunga? It seemed too energetic for a song where everything is frigid and slow.
>>737870291Git gud, learn to read. Hold right mouse button on enemy to see their range and attack zone
>>737871252>learn to read>in the last area with helpful tooltips
>got bigfoot and pig>both have mouth mutations to share>when a food pickup spawns within 2 tiles of you, move to it>vs >+2 conI cant choose which mouth mutation I should keep. Any advice?
>>737871379former for butcherscon for everyone else
>>737871304Sand and asphalt are my friends, though
lmfao
i wasn't able to get any eternal youths this time but instead i had a couple of epiphanies1. i can always keep the quest items if i dont report them to beanies
>>7378724182. i managed to make several clones of the cat i wanted to get to the fountain and they turned into kittensapparently the items of any cat beyond the 4th one in the party just doesn't register at all
>>737872508so i basically have triplets that i can all get to the fountain at the same timeforgot to mentioned how many items i cloned
>never gotten broken mirror and the fountain in the same runIt's fine, I've ground enough to have good furniture....I'm not bitter at all.
>>737865275I can't believe they would have a reference to a pizza hut mascot in this game.
Can Jester cap and chaos controller pull jester abilities?
>>737872601when you're 400 hours in a savefile like mine, you end up making your own challenges at that pointi'm gonna fill up an entire room with eternal youths of every class at some point and i already got a pair of druids
>>737873112I have similar hours showing, but it's counting the time I alt tap to goon and shit.
>>737873112also, i should really fucking soul jar a repair cat already, i already got one apparently
>>737873193my save is closer to 500 already but 1/5th of the time was sleeping on accident and leaving it on because i'm too lazy to close it
just took out a bunch of cats who were so completely dogshit that i wasn't even confident enough with them to crank the difficulty up to hard. i forgot how completely dogshit the item drops are on normal. i can't LIVE LIKE THIS
>>737868503how do you get double mutations?
>>737873307NTA but i think the wing leg mutations have front and back leg variants, so you could get a matching set for double the effect
>>737872996there's no other way to get any jester ability without using crown of chaos / jester cap / the jester class / path/soul of the jester
>>737873383I thought I've seen people with 2 back leg mutations and 2 front leg (arm) mutations before, but I've never encountered that in my own runs
>>737873460youd likely want soul link arms anyway, then have the legs be the bruise jump one
>>737873460I've only seen it on cats that end up with 10+ mutation. Usually cats that that start with plenty then go through the simmer.
>>737873307>>737873383>>737873460>>737873491Found it on the wiki:>However cats can gain up to 15 different mutations through mid-adventure means.>Legs, Arms, Eyes, Eyebrows & Ears no longer have to be symmetrical, opening up 5 slots.>Most Events apply mutations symmetrically. However, certain events have outcomes that can mutate asymmetrically (distinguishing left and right parts)
>>737866067stop chewing so fast, steak is meant to be tough!
>>737873307Front and back legs are classed as seperate mutations during breeding and bruise wings are not restricted to either front or back. So if you have two parents with bruise wings and during breeding the game selects bruise wing on each parent as inherited mutations your kitten will get bruise wing on front as well as back.It has nothing to do with mutation asymetry through events like shimmer where singlular limbs can mutate. Bruise wings and bleed wings affects a set of 2 legs which bypasses the breeding asymetry correction check that prevents you from getting cats with a mutation per singular leg like you would with events, thus you can breed cats with double bruise wing or even double blees wing or both wing sets on one cat.
Act 3 has been fun so far.
I will never forgive this shit game for not giving us proper breeding mechanics
>>737873307>>737874765Tl:drIgnore >>737873587, you can breed cats with 2 wing sets and can potentially get a bruise and bleed jumping cat
>>737874831What? nigga is has a fucking inbreed coefficient mechanic
>>737867338
>>737874913It's clearly not rape.
>>737874962mindbroken by fighterchu
>>737874828The future is worse.[Spoiler]but the boss is easier and has no insta gib or kill, the 3rd stage of each route is far easier that the 2nd
>>737874913>TAGS rape, smalldom, mind break impregnation
The fact you can't breed collared Kaijus is criminal
Does DEX affect the evading rate?
Nope. You need something that explicitly gives you a dodge chance and then it's effected by luck.It's not a flat increase to the chance but with more luck you roll for success more.
>>737866262you're grinding for retireds, not equipment, you can think about that when you've maxed out the NPCs, except butch
Lol
>>737875481no, Luck affects dodge chance. any % of dodge chance gets increased by Luck above 5, likewise it's decreased by Luck below 5
Pic related slaps your kitten's ass in bar. What you going to do about it?On the side note, I'm tired of small hours players telling how the game is supposed to work to big boy hours players
>>737875338>5338â–¶>>>737874913>TAGS rape, smalldom, mind break impregnationyou forgot NTR
triplets, all destined for furniturehood
>>737875481DEX is really just equivalent for ranged damage
>Thou Shalt Not Kill Cleric with Squirrel Druid Get fucked C-800, you killed my chaos rampage fighter
>>737876278Thou shalt is fucking busted and I love it. Slap it on butcher with lord of the flies and his ability to produce flies from meat
>>737875658>>737876013>>737876181Thank you, I should just stand in bush
>>737864265uooouuughrrghhh...hairy pits...
>>737871158Bad by design is still bad.
i once had a stray that came with 2 passives straight up when i once had my appeal peak at 80can high stim get kittens with 2 passives too?
>>737876140The throne awaits
>>737877580I asked this last thread. As far as I am aware one parent is selected for passives, but two can be selected for disorders (because fuck fairness)
>>737877634hey now, immortal and chungus are great to have together
fight clubs are neat, you can just bring a bunch of them that have mockingbird and contagious disorders to debuff the enemy for you and let the carry do all the damage. 3 free retirees too
>>737878270for house bosses, that is
>>737878270I think dedicated fightclubs is an outdated strat nowadays. Mutation rooms naturally have low comfort when you focus on only mutation scores and as a result you can have a mutant fightclub where cats get fight buffs as well as mutation buffs (bonus points for inbreds with birthdefects).Or as I like to call it: The Thunder Dome
When are the new classes? I'M OUT OF STEAK
>>737878814Late next year.
So is the update /out/? Or it's just a beta and they'll fix itâ„¢?
they're kinda bugged, but it'd be so funny if i brought just one of them to the fountain and the other 2 got eternal youth too
>>737878857Beta (for now)
>>737878857>they'll fix it?>>*edmund*
>>737871249There weren't any humanoid around the time dinosaurs were around, mentoning global warming would be more fittting for an end of ice age.
>>737878651I need dead cats for the organ grinder. I've been working on my impossible check marks and have barely cleared 100 out of 150.
>Beat C-1000 and placed both antennasOne ingame week and 3 runs to the End later, nothing. What am I missing here? What's the next step?
>>737864148Hunter holocaust was brutal
>>737879786Wait for Hitler 3 to activate. You can check wiki if you want confirmation
>>737879801They deserved it.
>>737879801>Hunter holocaust>look inside>Hunter's boon isnt an infinite mana hack anymoreok faggot
>Final Boss & his Cat Clones are banned from rolling Depressing elite buff.Didn't someone say before that this was the biggest threat in Impossible Act 3 runs?>Soahc's form change now ignores combat speed setting.Wow now I can pay more attention to what he's changing to>Added +50 HP to The Coven and Tormentor.>Added +50 HP to Dreadnoughtus’ head and +2 damage to its legs.People did say those two were super easy and needed buffing, right?>Spewer: HP nerfed to 100THANK FUCKFUCK SPEWER>Added +4 HP to Führerfötuses.They now have 17 HP right? Kinda harder to oneshot them now>Added "Blast Resistance" status effect. Blast resistance is added onto EMP, Mr. Mega, Napalm, and Demo Man tinkerer passives.>Throw Weapon: no longer costs an action to use.THANK FUCK>Mage buffsTHANK FUCK>event changesTHANK FUCK>disorders/parasites changesGood>Fixed Stimulation treating birth defects on parents the same as positive mutations. Higher stimulation now decreases the chance of birth defects on parents being inherited.But certain birth defects give stronger stat ups in return for stronger stat downs, right?Why are people doomposting about this update again?
>>737880770>Extra turn head now gives -2 speedOwari da.But on a more serious note Spewer was fine how he was, I have never understood the hate he gets when the lap has far more potent bullshit.
I am honestly kinda excited at these changes. It also makes me thankful I avoided inbreeding this whole time as well have been kinda lenient on what mutations I got. Also damn, I am excited for the mage and tinkerer buffs. A lot of the changes for Tinkerer sound fun, such as the changes to Math! and Lightning Rod.
>Tinkerer gets blast resistance built in to a bunch of his passivesOk that anon that brought up Pyromaniac the other day was prophetic. What the fuck.
>>737880770>Why are people doomposting about this update again?Outside of people moaning about the Hunter changes (it's still going to absolutely dogwalk every other class so I have no idea what they're complaning about) it's the breeding changes.Inbreeding is nigh on impossible to avoid if you actually care about optimising your bloodlines. You can throw a stray in every so often but this then fucks up your 7-spread cats a little which means more managing to get them back to normal by which point they'll be halfway back to being just as inbred as when you tried to mix in the stray. This resulted in most people just basically ignoring the system because if a kitten was gigafucked you just toss it but if not you could put it in the mutation room for a bit and hopefully filter the defect out, and then it goes back into your breeding pool.Inbreeding will now way increase how likely a birth defect is to get passed on, which combined with no longer being able to mutate them away means cats with birth defects are just dead weight now, making sorting and managing your prime bloodline(s) even more of a pain in the ass.This combined with the house/breeding system/cat management lacking any meaningful QoL (because le heckin herding cats xDD) means it's basically just going to become a bit more annoying to manage your breeding at no real benefit.I imagine in practice it's going to split people into two camps, those being:>maximum autism spreadsheeting and calculations to ensure stats and mutations etc. go as planned while avoiding inbreeding increasing too highor>hillbilly hellhole attic where you don't even think about inbreeding and just toss any kittens with defects into the shredder
>>737881521I'm the exact opposite, once I started going I just ignored inbreeding and simply Tinked most cats that came out with birth defects. As long as you didn't let any become widespread the rate they occur is honestly not that bad provided you have a lot of cats in whichever your breeding room is.All these changes are gonna mean for me is probably that any kitten who has any defect at all is getting the rope, since there's no chance of fixing them now.That's provided Edmund doesn't do and Edmund and we end up with a completely unnanounced, "accidentally" missed off the patch notes massive increase to how often inbreeding causes defects.
>>737880770>Why are people doomposting about this update again?Merciless, Fist of fate+, infinite cursed items and mutation rooms to remove inbreeding defects are DONE. Completely and utterly fucking finished. And that's really it.
>>737882160You missed an important detail though. Defects are not only increased but stimulation efeectiveness is heavily reduced with inbred cats, so overtime your cats will degrade in stats and non-birthdefect mutation inheritance along with abilities as well as passives. Birthdefects is just the cherry on top of the Steak cake.
>"Mutation" stat will no longer reroll any existing mutations or birth defects.Ruined.Good thing I already chewed my steak.
>>737882387>stimulation efeectiveness is heavily reduced with inbred catsThat doesnt matter. If both parents are 7/7, the inbred cat will always be 7/7. Inbreeding will now fuck with mutations which is the sore point. If you dont have a royal bloodline with hardcoded mutations you always select for, you'll lose them to inbreeding defects eventually.
>>737882387Fuck so I did.Well I think I'll just be staying on 1.0 then. Until 1.2 inevitably undoes half these breeding changes.Thank you Mr Edmund for letting me chew slower. We love your balance.
>>737882504>f you dont have a royal bloodline with hardcoded mutations you always select for, you'll lose them to inbreeding defects eventually.Feeling real smug right now about never bothering to build different bloodlines for different uses/classes and just having my whole breeding stock be one absolutely vile morass of degeneracy to ensure those mutations are on every single cat without fail
>>737882486this game is gonna end up just like tboi where you need like a dozen mods to revert mega retarded changes because ed has a bunch of issues and adores when a game is actively dogshit to play, isn't it?
>>737882504I have been inbreeding max for a while now, how do I go about royal bloodline stuff? Do I just have two cats and send any of the offspring off in a fight club for adventuring until the royal pair grow old?What if I have two ability/mutation sets I want to preserve that one bloodline cant carry by itself?
>>737882661I figured that's how everybody did it because I realized very quickly that I wasnt going to sift through 50+ cats for specific mutations for specific classes, I wanted one archetype that was versatile and universally applicable. In a game like this with rng in every corner, consistency is key so I figured I'd at the very least standardize the abilities of my cats so I could just slap on whatever collar I wanted to run and expect it to work well
>>737882936>how do I go about royal bloodline stuff?nta but literally just don't add back in any kittens that don't have the full set of mutations, eventually all of them will have the same ones and if you have enough of them pumping new ones out then you can discard any with defects without it really impacting your "new stock" for going on runs/going back into the bloodline>What if I have two ability/mutation sets I want to preserve that one bloodline cant carry by itself?Then you're fucked I guess. Idk ask edmund, I'm sure he could tell you what the gameplay ramifications of his sweeping changes will be (lol)
>>737879395Didn't the meteorite hitting make everything hot before it made everything cold?
>>737883223So the royal/breeding room can have multiple of the same bloodline cohab with something like a stray partner each?
>>737882936>how do I go about royal bloodline stuff?King and queen in the stimmaxxed attic. Their 7/7 kittens with the right mutations go into the population room where they will fuck and increase in numbers. If the average inbreeding in the population room gets uncomfortably high, throw jn some strays and sift through the new kittens for a new pair of royals that have the mutations and stats you want and replace the royals in the attic regularly.
>>737883393No, only one. The last thing you want in your lannisters attic is a red wedding bloodbath
>>737881958Maybe not inbreeding should make stim stronger then it was before and only keep the worse stim if they're heavily imbreed
>>737865275my gay 7/7 cat is a cutie
>Spewer nerfSpewer hater won, Spewer defenders in shambles
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>>737884359I do wish Beanies and Organ grinder had a De-gay syringe available. Having perfect stats/mutations on a fag and no hermaphrodites for him to fuck is very annoying sometimes
>>737884318The only boss that was nerfed too.Well, unless you count the Creator not getting depressing anymore.
if anyone wanted to know, you can bounce fatty corpses with projectiles and try killing fatties adjacent to them by chain knockback that way. the other fatty was also dead i promise they bounce like pinball>>737882163me who just soul jarred a cat with repair+ because i had the d6 upgrade it immediately on the first fight of the lab:
>When two cats are paired for a breeding attempt, the game calculates their compatibility>>The initiator and partner cannot be the same cat>>>The (((initiator))) can't be a kittenWait wait does that mean a male cat can breed with a female kitten as it's the intiator and the female kitten is not???
i wish the house management was more fun, at least have a chance for jack to sell toys the cats can actually play and interact with like the chao garden toys in sa2>>737884359the gay cats fuck the woke (?gender) cats anyway so i dont see the problem>>737884523the creator boss not being able to roll depression is way more of a nerf than a small hp difference
>>737884669The Spewer nerf is a boss-wide nerf that is always applied, while the Creator's was removing a certain bullshit random interaction that could possibly happen in some circumstances, kinda like the Arthur nerfs.
>>737884669>the gay cats fuck the woke (?gender) cats anyway so i dont see the problem? Gender can cause mating fights very easily as they can fuck anything that moves. They are a big liability.
>>737881958>house mechanic was already shit>makes it even shittierMost decisions in the patch I fully understand but this one boggles the mindHell some defects are actually good, so making them less likely to pass on stimmaxxed rooms isn't even a buff to it either
>>737884612i'd assume it's for the case when you somehow dupe your cats >>737878875
>>737864265I wouldn't say that but my favorite class was fighter and the patch only cemented that.
>>737884796my breeding room has a lot of woke cats and it doesn't really happen, then again i do move the cats hated by my prime cats to a different room although i've never even checked the cats' sex before doing anything
>>737884359>>737884454>>737884669His lover is a ? cat so there is no problemEven if I didn't have a ? cat, I only pipe them when they get into fights with higher priority cats. I feel bad for my cute kitty cats
>>737884796Any and every cat can sleep around, if you don't want that happening pair themEven straight cats can choose to go homo on a whim
mpreg idol furniture in the dlc trust the plan
>tfw every Act 3 clear on normal is always by the skin of my teeth pulling out every trick I can muster I honestly don't see how the higher difficulties will ever be possible
>>737884879>Even straight cats can choose to go homo on a whimFun fact, homos can also go straight on a whim. One of my fag cats fell in love with a female. I was so confused lol
>>737884879>Even straight cats can choose to go homo on a whimWait what?>>737884913That is such a knockout meme addition I would be shocked if they didn't add it.
>>737884934that cat must be jack tripper
>>737884669? cats aren't woke, they are based full package futanari
>>737884669>i wish the house management was more funWe'll 100% have this eventually but getting there will be like pulling fucking teeth, same as getting any kind of proper management UI/QoL for it. Sometimes the community has to spend months bullying Ed for some simple shit to get added that should have already existed but on the flipside at least you know it will eventually happen
>>737884798it does say subject to change pending feedback, so just voice your complaints. simple as
>>737884798>this one boggles the mindunderstanding weird shit like this in edmund games requires you to understand that he seriously, genuinely, actually enjoys when a game is shitty to play, and not in a, "waah this is so hard or requires some thought!" way but just in a straight up, "this is going to be unfun for you" way. It's been the same for basically his entire game making career. I've always just assumed some wires got crossed as a result of all his childhood bullshit
>>737885040reminds me of one of my woke cats that managed to top a cat and a bottom for a different one during the same night
>>737885235meat boy and isaac don't reflect that at all
>>737884916Sometimes they practically aren't. Especially act 3 Infinite, you can get fights where the enemy buffs are such that if you don't clear the board before any of them have really gotten a turn they're then going to do the same to you when they get the chance to go. You have to abandon making whimsical choices for higher diffs sometimes and just go with pure numbers/damage
>>737884967>Wait what?Cat sexuality is encoded as a floating point number rather than something binary, so even the gayest gay in gay town and the straightest hetero in hetero city still have a low chance of breaking the moldI've had one straight cat in my orgy room decide to be a bottom bitch for two other male cats in one night, and they were all paired up with lady cats
>>737884782>certain bullshit random interaction that could possibly happen in some circumstancesYou don't understand, on impossible every elite/boss gets 3 random buffs. Assuming the copied cats are disallowed boss elite buffs, the pool is roughly 18 buffs.That means you get 15 selections out of 18 buffs, in other words, a pretty damn high chance they roll depressing and ALL your cats are now slower than the copies. Good thing you get all run to prepare :^)
>>737885451>Cat sexuality is encoded as a floating point number rather than something binaryedmund you absolute madman
>>737885451>he made sexuality a literal spectrumBravo, Ed-Steak-Mund.
>you can safely quit to menu when you're on the levelup screen after buying candy from tracy
>>737885680Does it do anything?
>>737885742yeah in case you accidentally spent too many rerolls and skipped an ability that was worth itspeaking of which
>>737884916Once you've got a room nearing 95 stim, you can basically pick and choose your starting ability/passive/mutations, which rapidly gets you into "kill all enemies/bosses in 1 round, no exceptions" territory.Pic related, some stray off the street who fathered a 7/7 w/ all mutations + skills from the mom.t. impossible doer
Is anyone upset over the balance patch?
>>737885918Man looks so proud for having banged that mutant
>>737885918Yep, that looks like a cat that was promised shelter and stability regretting his life choices and wondering if he can jump into the tube from the window
>>737885918>>737886105>approach an abandoned crackhouse>get raped by mutantsTrue to life
>>737886059Don't care about most of it, only thing I think is a bit overkill are the change to inbreeding, birth defects etc. but it's not a big deal, they're still WIP and if they remain largely unchanged I'll just lurk on the 1.0 branch or get a mod
>>737886182>Did I run from the lab for this?>I kind of miss the mega mutants
>Mage rebalance is just a list of buffskek
>>737886059Me, I seriously hope this patch receives MAJOR changes before it goes live! Specifically to nerf shit even more! no running jab nerfs??? Extra turns untouched?? Hamster style Superluck+ hello?My steak has not yet reached ideal condition.
>>737886059It's not set in stone yet and they showed receptive to feedback, so I'm hopeful they listen and work on the few nitpickings I have, mainly the changes to breeding and the NERFS to cleric, I don't see why they would mess with the best attack it has
>>737886059Edmund McMillen.You little fucker.
>>737886364I'm waiting for the repair nerf
>>737886529She trained in the hamster style so much that she became the hamster
>>737880770>>737884318Spewer haters, we fucking WON
>>737886337And yet the forbidden spells and 4/5 still sound like dogshitThe range buff is something the class was in desperate need of tho
BLESS
how lucky
>>737886529
>>737887026I'm convinced abilities/passives are secretly weighted, with luck having a major role on seeing rarer stuff.
Monk boss is weird. Sometimes, he destroys my whole cats and sometimes does nothing and die
>>737886529>someone actually did itHoly shit even fleas are bigger than your cat at that point
Spewerfag wonned
>>737887928Shitters won
I wish there was some kind of combat log, because my druid keeps getting madness from blood frenzy when he doesn't even attack anyone. I'm guessing it's because a unit is getting knocked into him, and the knockback damage is what kill them, which triggers blood frenzy.
>>737888004Total Spewer nerfSpewerfag eternally victorious
>>737888236I'd love a run history
>>737888645considering how trackmania gameplay can be replicated by having a log of keypresses, there could be something similar for mewgenics
>>737888004>Spewer isn't a slog, git gud!!Cope.Spewer was unfun shit and deserved the nerf.
>>737888772Nobody was saying is was God's gifts or anything just that he isn't a big deal and anyone whining after their first fight with him is suffering from a severe skill issue.
>>737886529>Cat for antsKill Cat God with him anon
>>737889169>he isn't a big dealSo nothing changed even with a nerf.
>Cursed items now get wornI'm getting my ass in gear to finish the the game before my 400 shield Calluses and Pentagram get pried from my cold dead hands.Waiting for house bosses so you can get story progression items is aids, luckily I've only got Hitler III left though.
>>737886529now turn him into furniturehonest to god i really want to get hamster style before i turn my lil niggers into furniture
>>737889169He simply had too much HP for a chapter 1 boss, which could drag on the fight (sometimes excessively, depending on your team), this nerf is perfect.
>>737889423running tinkerer every now and then to try get repair cant be that hard
>>737889285 Well something did change, they reduced his HP, so he is even easier now.Seriously by the time you start your impossible runs round 3 spewer becomes a long forgotten memory.
>>737889454the only time i've struggled against him was when i used to run druid leechesmost of the difficulty was self-inflicted tbf but really the main issue with spewer is it's a filter for whether or not you can attack diagonally or whether you think about attacking or casting spells first
>>737889516>Repair removes worn from equipment items as a hidden mechanic as a hidden mechanicGood to knowI assumed that skill only worked on weapons with limited uses, that would have been really nice to note on a tool tip.
>>737889454Skill issue, I never had a second thought about the little nigger after solving him the first time and I'm a retarded faggot.Never thought anyone else did either until I saw the cry babies here choking on their steak.
>>737889717It also adds durability to items and weapons with low initial uses, repair+ on a hummingbird gives it 9 fucking charges
>>737889772Spewer got nerfed. You lost.
>>737889772More like a stat issue
>>737889849>Hunter opens with holster What a waste it might as well>First selection has stake outOk that could work>Psych gets mind meldI am the master of strategy
>>737889596NTA but>It's not that hard because [harder thing] existsIs a dogshit excuse for pretty much any game.
>>737890674Forgot to erase the quote
>>737885918>Eh. A hole's a hole.
>planning the final part of the nuke quest>thinking the jurassic is definitely the safer path>mfw remembering those midget dinos that can steal equipmentThey can't steal the nuke of all things, right?
>>737890714I didn't say that, I said that after you start your impossible runs you are unlikely to see him live past round 2 like every other stage 1 boss.
>>737890878Don't see why they couldn't, but I do remember one of my cats dodged one of the shitty cursed items because he was wearing the nuke on the slot it was targeting
>>737890860>So me wife tells me, she says >Oasis, won't you take me to a modern art museum? There's an exhibit for Picasso >And I look at her the most lovin' way I can>"Honey they can come look at you here just fine"
>>737889596Reducing HP does not make something easier, it simply makes it take less time. The fight itself works the same
>>737891129Cute
>>737891129>I was a stray cat folks, and I gotta say I love how united everyone is here at the house on the hill>I never met my parents, I wouldn't be able to distinguish them from a regular Tom Tom if I tried>But when I got here and my wife tells me "we are a very close knit family"?>I can tell
>AutopilotWait a minute... does this work on Soul Jarred cats??
>>737890878There's a webm someone posted several threads ago of one of those fucker stealing a rifle then shooting the nuke carrier
>>737891129Thanks anon, that joke made it well worth having that stupid long head in the gene pool for over a dozen generations.
>>737864148Autistic twin cats are coming soon!
>>737890878I find just not rushing forward on fights that include them (if you even run into any) is the easiest way to deal with them, quest or notI finished it without issue anyway but if the nuke had gotten yoinked at any point I would've just stevened desu.
>>737892507I saved it
>>737892649Does it count as a win or defeat?
>>737892649The fucking recoil after shooting is what does it for me, fucker doesn't even aim he just grabs it and no-scopes
>>737892649Yeah that one kek
>>737864265 Pot bellied slut
>>737893103jesters right before they execute johnny with a max roll RNG cannon
>>737864391The only thing I'm upset of is my Chemo High Mutation room is going to be useless because apparently radiating away the bad deformities is not intended gameplay. Fuck off.
>>737893313Same. When you get to a point where you have invested enough in mutation specific furniture to have a high enough chance of mutation it should be rewarding, doubly so when 90% of the mutation furniture ALREADY HAS drawbacks in place with negative health stat modifiers. Increasing the rate of birthdefects being generated via inbreeding is already a good tradeoff as it punishes you by jumping through more hoops to remove them as birthdefects can only be replaced on a 10 mutation cat. It's not fucking necessary. You already have a counter balance in place with the stimulation overhaul.
>>737894650Guess throwing in the odd stray was the intended way to play?Low key glad I activily keep inbreeding in check, even after learning that it was a non-issue, got a stock of 7 base slightly inbred cats.
>>737886059I'm actually happy with the changes, especially to Tinkerer
>>737886059I'm upset they didn't do anything to make disorder breeding doable or decreased the donation amounts a bit, the dead cat requirement is absurd.
I HATE BEANIES SIDE QUESTIt's just bullshit and unworthy rewards
>>737895125Same, I've avoided heavy inbreeding by having different families with the same mutations, so even if they come from the same huge family tree they have enough levels of separation to keep it safe
>>737896601Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. Some are absolute garbage, Air horn is totally not worth the agony of the quest but party detonator, magic mirror, and the D6 for example are pretty fucking choice rewards. The real problem is you never have a way to get any of these things ever again which really should be addressed I think.
>>737896671>comparing a cat that can't count to six with the Judge
>>737896861>The real problem is you never have a way to get any of these things ever again which really should be addressed I think.You can roll for beanie to give you the quest again once you went through all of them
>>737888236sometimes familiar kills count as you killing them, sometimes they don't
>>737896601Just don't do them. The moment I found out they don't add the items to the pool I just completely stopped both doing them and sending any cats to him. Pointless.
>>737897246>skipping on completion %
>>737867629Damn, Hunter is absolute garbage now
>>737897527Side quests actually don't count towards completion % in-game, only steam cheevos. Everyone who lost the persuasion device would've been bricked otherwise
>>737897106Yes but it's shit because then you have to do the garbage quest again just for one more copy. I really wish there was a rare loot pool with all of the successful beanie quests you've done.
>>737864194I say this and look like this
>>737897693It'd be cool if they were more of a guarantee for say, taking the hard path on the lab, since it would make more sense that one of his inventions had a repeat laying around in his lab
>>737897690>:(
>Familiars spawned by spells get all stats 2Ok I like this pa->but that spell gets disabled until the spawned familiars diesigh. Into the blender you go.
>>737897980Yeah a hard path or hell even a higher difficulty state only node would be really nice. As for why, I mean not only do we have timeline fuckery abound but he keeps thinking he'll be rich with these inventions. He can probably try shipping them off to businesses by normal mail or rocket (in case of the moon) and they can just sort of crash all over the fucking place.
>It is judgement day!What the fuck is this
Test
>>737898117great for if you have something like squirrels that spawn 5 at a time
I just had a really weird dream. I dreamt that I had accidentally joined a cult and they had removed all my phone's contacts to keep me isolated there and indoctrinate me. I was scared and didn't know what to do so I called fucking Steven from Time Fcuk and he told me that "it happens, just take a handful of random pills".I shoveled a bunch of them from a random pill bottle I had lying around and gained the ability to rewrite reality as if a specific person had died as a child and never gotten the opportunity to do anything. So I just used it on their leader and the cult vanished from existence.Is this what Dr Beanies feels like?
>>737864194sounds racist bix nood
I started a new save with the 1.1 update, because why not. Haven't played in a while anyways.Rate my beautiful first 4-cat skwad of fur babies. Two of which are voiced by Rich Evans.One of the strays said "WRAPPED IT ALL UP" and I immediately shit-chuted that nigger.
>>737899119kino. i fucking love dreams.
>>737899316That Hunter is asking for it.
>need to enable the beta branch to test the updateI feel like I must use this time to get some impossible difficult achievements before it's too late
>>737899316The hunter looks like it read the patch notes
All speaking MEOW sets need to be removed.Can't even meow for meow game? Be gone.Exception are that one set which is clearly a child and says thank you and the other one that goes "MEOW IM SAD"
>>737867629>Hitler's suicide can no longer miss. Increased the shield amount on his explosive phase.Man, I would try to make some runs to make this happen, it would be funny as fuck
just lost an easy impossible run to this. fucking retarded.
>>737899575Same for the Mage
>>737899905Steven is your friend, anon.
Which gato would you sexo?
I have 300 hours and I only just realized you gain a random free stat every level
>>737899987Steven is an enemy, or an obstacle, but you should learn from Daniil Dankovsky.
>>737899582I don't mind the ones where it's like one or two lines out of an otherwise meow set, but yeah, I'd like a toggle for the ones that are just, "listen to me I'm so funny I was asked to record 20 meows and 19 of them are just me making quips into the mic lmaoo xPP aren't I soooo quirky?!?!"Just make them all toggleable while you're at it actually, since there's some other ones people are inevitably gonna find personally annoying.I fucking hate the one where most of the meows are just someone making loud as fuck wind noises with their mouth.
>>737896880Yes and?
>>737899905We wore him down on similarly retarded shit in tboi, eventually dogshit like this will go the way of spike tiles one step out from the door etc.
>>737900109Jester gets an actual random stat up but the other classes get a class specific stat IIRC
Why do niggas draw marshmallow pink
>>737900861
>>737864194Fug :)
The breeding nerfs wouldn't be as bad if they added features that made it less tedious like being able to hotkey sort your kittens into certain rooms instead of having to pixel perfect click them in a mass of 30 other cats.Also nerfing the effects of stimulation for inbred kittens is insane since stimulation barely does anything anyway. 100 stimulation changes the chance to inherit the higher of 2 stats from 50% to like 65%
>people universally agree that the game is extremelly hard, barely 20% of players can even reach act 3>patch the game to make it harderWhy is Edmund like this?
>>737900861Because her hex code is #E2DCDCBAAAAAAAKA
>>737901216He is a little fucker.But better question is: is the game too hard or are players just shit?
>>737899954Hunter>This is why we can't have nice thingsMage>Who's the new ranged class? That's right! I can see for fucking milesTank>Don't mention running jab don't mention running jab don't mention running jab Fighter>SNETTIN YTRID STI TAHW, MOOB MOOB>NETTIK TAHT SOHW, AKAL-A-KAHS MOOB
>zero Butcher changesHaven't played the game in a while but it still kind of gets me. All the other classes got tweaks but Butcher was just fine as is?Don't get me wrong, it was one of the main classes I used and it was very consistent. Which in my mind would lead to a nerf but I also feel like the Mage didn't need that much of a buff, so maybe I'm not the average player.I didn't go too far into Hard but it just baffles me there are any classes in this game that aren't receiving some sort of tweak.
>>737901541We are perfect as we are.
>>737901130You can sort kittens a little quicker if you, assuming you've done nothing else that morning yet:>right click new stray>>click left arrow>>tube>>cancel out>repeat above until all kittens are milling about in the bottom left instead>grab stray and throw them wherever>proceed to sort your kittensThat said yeah it is peak retardation that there's literally no QoL for managing and sorting large volumes of cats and kittens. There's obviously design intent in the process being intentionally messy and "a bit" tedious the problem is that that doesn't stop it being fucking annoying and it really seems like Ed and all the playtesters were working with much lower volumes of cats than people trying to do the endgame/more difficult shit actually do in practice.Also it's a real "optimising the soul out of the game" thing but I would fucking kill for a button that paused the house while still letting you do shit. Fishing a specific little cunt out of a fucking massive herd of cats can either be easy or horrible purely depending on what they all feel like doing at that given moment.
>>737901541I think they mostly wanted to address low set up infinites and buffing unpopular classes, Thief got only one nerf and it was putting a hard limit on Nail flurry+ for a very specific combo
>>737901653I guess I saw Tinkerer got AI controlled tweaks and thought Butcher might at least get those.The times I used AI Butchers they never used the hook. That is a bit more niche though and they still kicked ass even without using it.
>>737901348The game isn't too hard, and if you lean into breeding it becomes easy (on normal obviously), but breeding is a hassle so people don't want to bother and go for 5+ stats and whatever mutations they happen to pick up, which makes it hard.
>>737901831I just thought there'd be something in the Butcher kit I wasn't seeing that needed some balance but apparently Vurp is perfect the way it is.
>>737901541Butcher is a solid generalist class, so there probably wasn't any reason to touch it.
Why does Armored Plating not work with Turrets? Are we seriously making Machines and Robots different things!?
Advice for the future transmitter main quest?I just attempted it and backed out after Hitler because this shit keeps scrambling my spell list with "kill yourself" spells like blood geyser and flesh golem, and class path spells that are basically just a dead slot because of how situational they all are to trigger.My best idea for a next attempt is to just go full unga bunga team with fighter/butcher/hunter/tank who can do good damage without any spells at all.
>>737902273It should could as a robot, what gear are you wearing?
>>737901216Nothing outside of act 3 is really that bad except for Bumblefoot and the no passive healing in the desertWe have game journalists who can't figure out how to dash and jump in cup head, some people aren't going to be cut out for strategy RPG no matter how accessible you make them.I remember when Fire Emblem Fates came out there was a video of someone who was a reviewer or something who's only strategy would be to use the expression the characters would make to determine what they did on that turn (Frowning face meant taking a lot of damage, smiling meant dealing a lot of damage) because the person didn't understand how to read the UI and would send characters into situations where they would kill one guy and get obliterated the next turn by the other enemies. The UI is also very simple and just attack, evasion, and crit chance. There is no helping some people
>>737901803Imagine adding a new NPC that gave you some sort of herding mastery that gave you access to cat sorting tools like>a fucking spreadsheet so you can sort your cats by something other than age>a way to call a specific cat outside that doesn't require you to threaten it with tubing >clicking on a cat icon on the likes/hates section let's you go to that cat>filters so you can only see kittens/retired cats/cats ready for adventure, etcNo idea what kind of requirements they would ask for but maybe for variety go for a certain enemy slain or cats with specific stats, I dunno
>>737901541fighter is stronger than butcher and it only got one nerf
>>737901803>250 hours and im learning this nowThat is genuinely very helpful, thank youThis game also needs a npc dialogue skip button, i've donated like 500+ cats to jack and I've started just trashing cats to avoid talking to NPCs and making the sorting take longer. Also Dr Beanies should give you a device that cleans up all the shit in the house for you for beating all his quests or something
>>737902369Callus and Unidentified PillsI was hoping for beefy turrets while the mage charges them but the passive isn't working :/
RUNNINGJABCHADS WE SURVIVEDFISTLETS OF FATECELS OFFICIALLY DABBED ONHUNTER'S +5INT IN SHAMBLESRUNNINGCHADS = JABBING
>>737902369>>737902812 (me)I can understand Unidentified Pills not working because it's technically a trinket so it doesn't count as armor.And Callus probably doesn't work because it's cursed or because of how it stacks (?) I'm going to test with another armor piece to see if it works in the next battle
>>737903007Huh, come to think of it... you could use the cow horns to get this running jab combo on any cat
>>737901348I don't think the game is that bad on normal. At most I'd argue the labs is a bit overcooked for a first area, and in act 3 the game gets a little lazy about enemy descriptions which can fuck over blind players.The most brutal thing in the game are the random event spaces that can completely screw you over outside of your control. People talk about the blood frenzy event, but I have more bones to pick with the rotten meat event where every single option has a chance to give you a parasite and it's significantly more common.
>>737902468Wrong. The champion plant that eat your cat if it gets too close is cancer since it has multiple activations in a round, high movement if you can't take care of the summons, high health and the plants is spews fuck over your team if you don't kill it right away. The crater in general is cancer.
>>737902273>>737902812>>737903009>>737902369The problem is Callus...Does anyone mind reporting it on the Disc*rd? I might be too lazy to do it
>>737902335Pretty much unga bunga.Spells unscramble after battle so one-use-per-battle strong are still good.>Hitler = futureAlso pray you don't encounter Hangenbots. Apparently they are fucked with scrambling?
>>737902335>Path of the jesterHow is this a hard requirement, this is almost better than whatever you roll with it, if you cleanse after it it's crazy>path of the voidIt's free real state>path of the butcherOh look, a better low range magnet, sure>Path of the fighter 0 int for the rest of the fight is nothing, just use it and finish the fight that turn, easy>path of the monkSame as above, just use it on the last round and presto>Path of the tinkererDestroy your weapon? Just use any of the many ones you find in the run itself, or bring something like the stack of coins, easy>path of the necromancer destroy a body, easy peasy, as good as the first fight of the run>Path of the druidJust stand on grass, laughable most of the time>path of the clericJust give the stats up to a fly or flea, or something with low health. It's easy>Path of the hunterA bit tricky but there are a lot of 1 hp critters going around, doable>path of the magehuge turn waster, might be worth it with the buffs now but less the more into the run you're in>path of the psychI see we are starting with bullshit, waiting turns or wasting catnip consumables for a spell you might not be able to use well is not worth it>path of the tankYeah just let me beat my cat to death for a chance at eat rock >path of the thiefA critical hit, with a 4 mana 1 damage skill. To get that I need to be running a thief already. Fuck offNot disagreeing with you, just thinking how disproportionate some of these requirements are for what's supposed to be a reward unlockable spell
>>737903245I once had a no choice event give child's skull to my fighter with 3 Dex and whose skills were mostly movements and counters. I would have preferred blood frenzy
>>737903007And anons this Tank is not a better class than Hunter
>>737904308I don't think you understand how this quest works.The signal transmitter changes your spells after each cast. The problem with a large chunk of the path skills is that half of them cripple you for literally no benefit (i.e Fighter, Monk, Tinkerer), and the other half are context dependent (i.e Tank, Butcher, Necromancer, Druid) meaning you can't even just cast them to get rid of them and get a new spell in most situations and they just sit on your spell bar like deadweight until an opportunity arises.The problem is not path skills, it's path skills in this very specific context that completely shits up the spell pool for this scramble challenge.
>>737899316>NICE LITTLE BOW ON TOPI don't know why this bothers me so much but Arnold and She's not a Christian cat doesn't
>>737904540Luckily the only time I saw that event was first event tile on alley on a thief who started with distance = damage trait.
>>737900030Marshmallow
>>737900030
>>737900358Huh. Is it random or do you get them in order?
So, I don't think this is ever explained in game.Why OH WHY DOES HE BLEED US DRY?
>>737906619>Doesn't pay attention to the backstory>Shits up \v\ with his ignorance
>>737906619He GETS AWAY WITH MURDERGETS AWAY WITH MURDER
>>737906619the real question is where 's that smell coming from?
>>737907925Eww, the leather jacket and knuckle dusters was enough, everything else lose looks tacky. People tend to forget these are still cats
>gameplay discussion drying up>all that's left are the pathetic catfuckers erpingThat's it boys, pack it in.
>>737864148Holy shit, might be my luckiest starting rollOnly thing that could make this better would be stoopzerk
>>737908481Think too hard also heals you when at negative int, it's peak
Cleric got nerfed lolAll that early gushing about it when it becomes mostly useless towards to hard+ grinds
>>737908481>Mana stealing on a dumb fighterThat's the spice
>>737908317s-surely the balance patch will save us
>>737908553>chosen warrior>rally>booster>healing aura>thou shalt not killIt's nowhere close to useless
>>737908481>retardmaxxingI love fighter
The theory that Tina came to be as she is because she kept eating from Mr. Throbbstein's domain makes quite a lot of senseIt even would explain why he was so eager to let in the Tina's face cat and tear him to bits, Throbbinsky just hated her eating his place that much
>>737903007What did Johnny do to deserve all those backshots?
>>737909212He became the leader of the neurodivergent cult
>>737908553Cleanse even when it's nerfed to no longer be an AoE is still one of the best spells in the game.In most cases you cats probably aren't clustered closely together to begin with, so in a weird way removing the aoe to trade for more range could even be seen as a buff.
For cleric adjustments I get knocking cleanse off the high horse so now you have to at least choose one person to get out of jail But why the fuck did Holy Weapon not get touched. It's so damn useless
>>737909415>Holy weapon only benefits from playing badly enough to rack up on heals>Also needs you to have more than the basic attack to cover for extra damage, but at that point you might prefer to use the mana on cleanse or extra movement/attack buffs>if you don't get any ranged heal you're going to barely use it because you can't guarantee you'll have enough range to get to an enemy after healing your unitIt should have been cumulative and going back to 0 after use, like it is it barely served as extra movement
>>737907925Holy sexo
I do not understand how you are supposed to engage with this fucker without getting your shit absolutely pushed in every time.I can't believe anyone complains about Spewer when this monstrosity exists.And don't tell me some super specific party composition or loadout is required, because that's fucking bullshit for a fucking MIDBOSS even on normal.
>>737910070Bro, your waste time?
>>737910070Bloat is at least expected to be an asshole because he's a meme, and as such, will never get nerfed.Spewer doesn't have that excuse.
>>737910070How to fix the bloat with one simple change:>The eyeballs move randomly instead of homingWa la
>>737910337>Wa la
>>737910595You raped himI just witnessed a rape of the disabled
>>737909212Pig farmin, every day 'ceptin the sabbath.
>>737904308>path of the monk>Same as above, just use it on the last round and prestoThis one's permanent nigger
>>737911128???The stats down status isn't permanent
>>737910070his eyes will not pop out if he is stunned so you can delay them if you manage to stun him and then do as much damage as possible before he gets another turn.Also Become Entropy will destroy the eyes as well
>>737910070It's pretty BS but you can bring a pickaxe to destroy the eyes. Any tank ability that destroys terrain like demolish or push through will also take them out
>>737892649>Completely wiped off the map>DisfiguredYeah I guess so.
the inbreeding/stim change is gay
>>737909415Better question is why do you even bother with the Burning Blessing when Evil Patron exists, does everything it does without making the damage elemental and even gives you extra range?Cleric really needs some tuning up.
>>737910070>I can't believe anyone complains about Spewer when this monstrosity exists.the mongs crying about spewer haven't even seen this fat cunt
>>737912062they just looked at the house mechanic and thought that while it's already shit, it should be even shittier
>>737910070fought him for the first time today and i just summoned squirrels to draw aggro
>>737912729my steak is well-done
>>737910235>Bloat is at least expected to be an asshole because he's a meme, and as such, will never get nerfed.I know this is absolutely true but fucking god damn it's still annoying. It's like the, "I was merely pretending to be retarded!" thing. Making something in your game annoying dogshit on purpose doesn't make that fact any better just because it's meant to be a 'le reference teehee' to how annoying dogshit the thing is
>>737913096Be thankful Bloat only does his automatic blood laser attack on its sides. In Isaac he does it on its sides AND in front of him
>>737912062i'd be fine with it if it came with QOL improvements, which they will never ever dothey could have at least waited until adding workshop support so autists can make spreadsheet mods
So, anons, over/under on some secret bullshit getting added in a later patch/dlc, it getting immediately datamined and Edmund going into an autistic tantrum for a while in a literally identical situation to isaac?
glad i got this on the first event node in the alley but i fucking wanted this on the midget fighter
If you make progress in the beta version, does it carry over to the main branch?
>>737913219But now imagine in Isaac if the Bloat's eyes behaved like the Mockulus eyes in Gehenna
>>737912062All the other changes I'm fine with but this is dumb and makes the game way more annoying and ball busting to manage the house that is verging on too irritating already
>>737910070he was bad but not that bad, yes you will bleed, yes the eyeballs will push you aroundthe fight is all about strategy, if you just let the eyeballs be near bloat then they'll interrupt all your moves, but if you use a cat to draw them away with moves and actions you can have your heavy hitters punch down bloat. you don't need super specific comps, just plan a few moves ahead for once
>>737907925>has nowESL retard and has annoying to read handwriting.Prognosis:grim
>>737910070Mewgenics bloat is far less of a nuisance than Isaac bloat honestly
>>737913936The way you phrased that makes it sound like you've only fought him once with OP cats>"Lol it's just that ez bro git gud" with his confirmation bias fully exposed
>>737914086Isaac bloat isn't hard at allThen again you are comparing two vastly different genres requiring two vastly different skill sets
>>737889423I saw you posting about your 400 shield callus 2 months ago, how have you not finished the game already?
>>737914263I didn't say he is "hard" I said he's annoying
>>737914317Well Mewgenics bloat is definitely """hard""" without specific setups or cheese I don't understand why they made the eyeballs homing instead of randomly bounce around like in Isaac
>>737914181you're on act 3 dude, you've been playing for at minimum tens of hours, your cats should have a couple base 7s, decent items, and a few mutations.you arent engaging with this boss in a complete vacuum, you have an entire games worth of experience to pull from; use your brain dummy.
>>737913581It wouldn't be the same situation as when it happened in Isaac because Steakmund has surely at least learned that if he's going to do a super long ARG the reward shouldn't be absolute dogshit like the embarrassment that was the original lost
>>737914310The callus strat isn't that rare to have, I've seen several other posters go on about it before I got a chance to do my own. I only had my set of calluses for the past 2 weeks or so.
>>737901348It's not that it's too hard, it's just that it's so long.
>>737914310Yes anon, everyone who did the callus cheese strat is the same person, you figured it outThey're nerfing it to mess with one guy in particular
>>737914181sorry you thought that, no i wasn'ti still have a lot of 5s and 6s, it's not an "impossible fuck you crazy bullshit" fight, it's one that needs actual thought put into placement and usage of abilities on your turnsyou want your dps to be near bloat to hit him but the eyeballs push you around, so you need to draw the eyeballs away. you have 4 cats and bloats health isn't huge or anything, you can have a cat draw the eyes away long enough for your other cats to do some big moves on bloat before the eyes come back. the blood barrage does a bit of damage and a lot of bleed and it's basically impossible to avoid damage in the fight so don't avoid the damage, accept the blood tax you have to pay to get to him even if it means your cats are low on health
The only "challenge" you can create in a turn-based RPG is always in the form of bigger numbers that requires time investment or unknown mechanics that either require research or trial and error.After that the only other thing you can shove at the player is pure luck-based win or lose conditions.It's just a matter of fact for the genre.
>>737864148RIP hunter? Looks like the patch is gonna rape them hard.
>>737914912Yeah I mean I can usually beat him but my cats always end up on the brinkIt's just one of the few fights that truly feels unfair that you just have to brute force and hope for the best in a majority of situations
>>737914656>Steakmund has surely at least learnedanon, I...
>>737915110it's kind of a dps race, yeah. you can't be cautious in the fight, you have to get in there, eat bleeds, and punch him downThe Mother is pretty similar to that in a lot of ways, you need a lot fo dps to take out the mother and all the polyps AND all the spiky stalks before they birth heralds
>>737899316I feel like I'm finding more rare items early so far in 1.1. I've gotten three red rarity items in two runs thus far, and I haven't even visited Caves or Boneyard yet.(I'm doing Boneyard first, fuck the Caves. Fuck the spider.)>>737905543I don't know, I just hate the voice, same with the deep mannish "Meow, pretty cool." one. No effort.
Just learned about polydactyl cats. They have opposable thumbs
>>737913704i managed to dupe it toocrit failing the dex check on the dead cat event apparently also gives a copy to convert
>>737915649i even duped a steven item
>>737915649>>737915723
>>737915803fun fact: removable quest items can potentially block cursed items from events
>>737915992also finally managed to shrink the retard even further
>>737915616Giving thumbs to cats and dogsIt wasn’t such a good idea after allWith sharp teeth and strong nailsBending the bars with their bionic tailsEasy to see they’re clearly our mastersHunting humanity faster and faster
>>737915616what would be the mewgenics disorder effect?
>>737916164DOOMED, THE PEOPLE ARE DOOMEDYOUR BROTHER IS DOOMEDYOUR MOTHER IS DOOMEDYOUR PREACHER IS DOOMEDYOUR MILKMAN IS DOOMEDTHE MIDWIFE IS DOOMEDTHE MAILMAN IS SO VERY DOOOOOOMED
>Read about the changes>Rush to do the Nuke quest since I was close to the finish line>Take my Nuclear gun+peace symbol jar ghost >Spread shot bouncing arrows Hunter>Nail flurry+Flow State Thief>Standard Butcher and Druid>Took like an hour tops and was fun clearing levels with one button and bosses within a few turnsThanks for the steak
Feels weird being in the top 2% of players when this game sold millions of copies and I bought my mine two weeks after release, you'd think ppl would plow through it given how popular games like Fire Emblem and Disgaea are
just out of pure curiosity which song do you guys think would be best for a hypothetical /v/ sings
>>737915016In my head cannon they are best friends with lesbian tendencies, but I like to think Morana is attracted to Gein due to their shared passion for killing. I think both Marshmallow and Morana are bisexual, do it from time to time (cats aren't known to be monogamous) but Morana has Gein as main bf, who she truly loves. I like to think Gein is strong silent type but has soft spot for Morana and leaves her bodies as gifts. I also think Marshmallow isn't into long term ships and is into casual hookups due to her convert abbility (because its funny to think this way lol).
>>737916772those games aren't even a small fraction of the difficulty of this game, also those games are weebslop which is adjacent to gachaslop sooo
>>737916384Grab adjacent items when your turn is over. Also grab units and pull them towards you when your turn is over
>>737916868Humanicide.
>>737916868Die reddit nigger scum>>737916937Die twitter faggot scum
Having Dybbuk jump into my necromancer and then immediately use the down-self spell is hilarious. Played him like a fiddle.
Any word for when the new patch drops?
>>737917050I'm genuinely confused why these twitterniggers think we want them here talking about anything but gameplay.
>>737916772I think the house management and post run inventory management being awful and yet mandatoryWith Isaac it's just start and play meanwhile here if you want to get into the meat of the game you have to do that whole shit
Pyrophina thread. Pyrophina board. Pyrophina website.
>>737917469she's perfect
>>737916772This probably says more about the game than it does about the players
>>737917281>house managementkeep comfort above 0 and trash cats with disorders/rainbow flags>post run inventory managementdispose of broken items and (most) grey items/pillsYou'll make it to Act 3 someday champ, keep at it.
>>737916868Black pussy
>>737913704Why is it yellow? Do you have to receive a golden shower to get eternal youth?
>>737917592
>>737917592Those are still annoying and bock down getting to doing runs. I've already beaten the Creator but that doesn't make the UI and overall gameplay of the house stuff not shit.
>>737916772It's hard to truly grasp just how difficult this game is to the average casual player. Pretty much everyone in this thread is a savvy adult that knows what they're doing, but like 70% of the playerbase consists of people who genuinely get gated off by the Desert because they're either kids or have barely played any turn based games before in their life, and just bought the game because of the Edmund name tied to it.
>>737916868He's dumb, dumb as rocksHe can never add just barely talksHe thinks that he's so smartBrawn over brains, tear you apart
Is his fight still a joke
>>737917897A BIG BAD KITTY CAT, CALL ME SOCKSI GOT NOTHIN UPSTAIRS, IT'S FULL OF ROCKS
>>737917469
>>73791807250 more hp was the only change What do you think.
>>737918072I really doubt a bit of extra hp will make much of a difference for a chapter 3 boss
How do I backup my save file? I'd like to do it just in case before fucking around with the beta.
Did the Alley's boss' DEAD bombs ALWAYS explode when hit by an active bomb's explosions?Do I have alzheimers?
>>737918469Always. And with any fire damage. Like using benediction when you have blessing of fire on a cleric.
>>737918518Or god forbid, you get the fire weather and Rad Rat goes from a weakling to an absolute menace
>>737918072He takes one more round to kill at best
>>737918072maybe if the tormentor and the mother both worked out together they could be fast enough to do anything
>>737918072who is this guy? I've never seen him before
immortal catwat do
>>737919186update: still immortal
>>737919186>>737919426Why can't you kill it?
>>737916868My vote either goes to Tuff or Down with the Devil
>>737919479all 4 cleric cats refuse to go under 1 hpprobably bugged when nuke went off
>>737919751Guessing it might be a bug from nuke going off early, yeah.
