>get to veldt>get gau>want a specific rage>run back and forth waiting for that encounter>1 hour passes>2 hours pass>3 hours pass>4 hours pass>still not getting itwhose idea was it to put every single enemy and boss fight in the game into one encounter pool in the game so you basically roll a 1000 sided die every time and basically praying you get the one you need to learn that one specific rage?fucking hell
this rage sounds really important! I bet you couldn't beat the game without it
>>737877664Simply don't use him.There's no reason to use anyone besides>terra>locke>cyan>sabinAll the other characters are complete trash and unviable for any of the actually hard fights, and you don't need any rages for any easier fights since they can be ended on turn 1 by any 2 of the above characters who are guaranteed to be in your party.Final fantasy 6 was a decent game but suffers from horrible bloat (still not quite chrono cross level) of complete dead weight garbage that is for some reason at all playable. (setzer, relm, celes, umaro, gogo, gau)They should've focused on the main 4 because you literally don't need anyone else for anything in the game.
>>737877935i can beat the game without using half the characters, why does this matter?is that your excuse for a poorly designed mechanic?
>>737877952i know, that doesn't mean this is somehow a good excuse
>>737877664>>737877952Because le epic "ensemble" cast that isn't actually represented in an equal manner in terms of story or mechanics, rendering most of them cosmetic at best or a hindrance at worst.People love to parrot it as being a strong point in the game's favor when all it really does is hamstring the potential depth of the writing and gameplay.Thankfully Final Fantasy VII fixes this. :^)
>>737877664Just use a cheat that unlocks all rages like everyone else, retard.God you fucking tech illiterate zoomers surprise me every time, we could do it with game genie back in 1994 and now when you can just click "tools - cheats" and copy pase the code in 1 second in your shitty emulator you're still somehow too retarded to figure it out.You fucking disgust me you stupid abortion.Don't play a retro game if all you'll do is whine and complain about it, I spit on you.
>>737878568>>737877952I love ff5
>>737878632May as well just get the best espers, items and equipment while you're at it, rendering the game pointless in the process.In fact, at that point you may as well just watch a playthrough and claim you've played it, basically the same thing.
>>737877664Cat Scratch is early, by the point you get it the encounter pool is pretty small still.
>>737878892That's what they all do already anyway, so what's the difference.
>>737878632>cheater not playing the game as intended>disgusted by anybody>trying to gatekeep retro games when he doesn't play them like retro game playersAre you a redditor by any chance? Please go back, you don't belong here.
>>737877664zesty little nigga
>>737877952Why Cyan? Bushido is awful
>>737877952Locke is garbage, use one of the good units like Edgar or Shadow instead, consumables are OP and FF6 made them dirt cheap to stack
>>737879307Who the fuck is this "they" you're referring to, are you schizophrenic?At the moment "they" is equally applicable to both zoomers and the cheaters because neither are actually playing the game, yet claim to have experienced it.
>corrupts your save file
>>737879596Depends on the version you're playing. I think in the Pixel Remasters the changes they made make it less bad.Still not good, mind you.
>>737877952>>737879970FF6 is weird since it gives like every single character a free skill that ignores Defenses and it's usually the first attack they learn so why would you ever use anything else?
>>737877952Every character in ff6 is viable if you liked them enough to put a decent amount of time into them. I used umaro ( god tier in the magic tower and collosium) and setzer (death darts has good chance of casting death) during my first play through and had a blast.
>>737878632unresolved childhood abuse trauma
>>737879596in the pc version it's really good
There are several rom hacks that just make him learn every enemy you run into off the Veldt as long as he is in the party.
>>737879780again, he's good in the pixel remasters
>>737877952wrong. every character is exactly the same at max level except for celes. she's the only one who can block Kefkas magic.
>>737880245>umaroWhy?He has 2 or 4 attack and chooses one at random, it's kinda pointless slot at best and infuriating at worst when he doesn't use storm when you need him to.I'd rather use Gogo or Relm who are both equally useless.
>>737880092Nearly all of them are single target, early enemies barely have any def for it to matter while late encounters are usually in large groups outside of the dedicated big tough generic enemy (gigases and such) where you'll be using multi-target skills to dispatch them quickly
>>737877664FF6 is just shit and I won't pretend it isn't.FF in general is shit.
>whose idea was it to put every single enemy and boss fight in the game into one encounter pool in the game so you basically roll a 1000 sided die every time and basically praying you get the one you need to learn that one specific rage?Not how it works. The Veldt encounters are broken into packs of like, 8-10 enemy formations or so. The game will pick a "pack" and throw a few formations from that pack at you before moving onto the next one.It sucks if you can't roll the "pack" you need. Besides you only need Cat Scratch which I'm pretty sure he knows by default.
>>737879596tempest is quick and does 15000 damage to kefka at level 40~>>737879780genji glove + master scroll and 2 ultima weapons and he does great damage
>>737877952Except Gau is my lil' nigga and I love him. Yes I DO go back to the Veldt at every opportunity to get all the new rages on EVERY playthrough.
>>737880931I do too but it doesn't make any less abhorrent or tedious of a process.
>>737880970It would have been better if he could just learn them from the enemies outside of the Veldt, and the Veldt was just for the stuff you missed.
Gau is kino>can hit like a bus>good stats>can be given Snow Scarf>some specific Rages let him cheese certain encounters
>>737877952>not using shadowget out NOW!!!!!!!!!!
ff6 is far too easy for me to care about building any of the charactersyou can just steamroll the game by attacking and using whatever your most damaging move is without caring about any strategy or reprecussionsmost bosses in the first 2 world passes literally die on turn 1 or 2 because they don't have the HP to survive a round of your best moves
>>737877952Relm is by far the most useless one>sketch is an awful skill>takes forever to upgrade>even after upgrade it becomes mediocre at bestWhat were they thinking?
>>737881408She has the best natural Magic stat, but you have to build up her spells which takes time. And you get her right before the Floating Continent and I wouldn't take her there since she's far behind.
>>737881148He is cool and rages are a cool idea but there REALLY needed to be a different way of acquiring them.The entire premise of Veldt is pants on head retarded, how that even made into the full game is beyond.But thankfully romhacks have fixed that decades ago.
>>737881483>She has the best natural Magic statWhich is irrelevant because Terra outclasses her completely.
>>737881483Natural magic means little when Terra or Celes are carrying zoneseek
>>737877952Are there any jrpgs with a large cast of playable characters where they're all equally good and useable and you don't just stick to the main 4?Because I don't think there are.
>>737881990No, which is why FF6 has a few sections that require multiple teams.Honestly, the entire back half of the WoR should have been dungeons like the Phoenix Cave and Kefka's Tower.
I like the idea of having a lot of weird gimmicky characters but a lot of their gimmicks are just bad.Like not being able to control Umaro, or not being able to control Gau once you choose the rage, or how a lot Setzer's rolls are either bad or actively harmful or how gimped Relm and Gogo's gimmicks are.It's like they tried making them balanced so they're not too OP and in the process just made them ass to use.
>>737877664Just don't use it?He starts with a lot of good enough rages.
>>737877952He's probably annoyed because there's an achievement tied to getting all of his Rages. Most people probably wouldn't bother if there wasn't one
>>737884150Who the hell cares about achievements?It's not 2012 and you're not playing this on xbox 360.
>>737877952Nice bait
uoooh Relm..!!
>>737877664why invent a weird imaginary story about something that didn't happen in the 90's? Is that all your Grok can create now? 90's fanfiction?
>>737884668schizo timemy favorite
>trying to talk about powerlevels and optimisation>in FF6 a game so easy you basically need to hit your own team to loseI hate zoomers and their imaginary fake experience of games. your youtuber lied and listening to a stream doesn't make you a gamer.
for me, it's T-Edition
>>737884723the veldt doesn't work like OP described. monsters unlocks as the story goes, you can't just sit in there after getting gau to get all the monsters. You get them all pretty quickly, the list is incomplete on the SNES because there is a bug. And the only one you need to rape the game is cat scratch, that you get by default.
>>737884723>>737884823i'm literally playing this right now you schizos>>737884823it works like that eventually, but i wanted to just get all the available rages i have now because completionism compels methe one i kept trying to get is Dark Windbut it just doesn't show upit showed up 3 times after i sent gau out so i was like yes finally i get to cross that off the list but i kill the encounter and HE DOESNT RETURNso i have to start it all over because of course the return encounter is not 100% fucking guaranteed either
>>737880420More like every character is the same at max level because they all autowin the game for you after you powergrinded like a fagggot
>>737881483Just break rods for magic while she's working on learning spells.
>>737877664I tried getting one of Strago’s Blue Magic but then gave up because FF6 is already easy enough.
>>737877952Have you or anyone here tried taking on Kefka's Tower the moment you get the Falcon? How hard could it be?
>>737886395People beat the game with just Celes/Edgar/Setzer so
>>737884754this...
>>737877664Cause a lot of games are made to be played over a longer period of time than most people are used to. You could take one jrpg and replay it leisurely for 5 years, if you wanted to 100% it without guides.
>>737886395>>737886543people beat the game without gaining expso yeah
>>737887024What?
>>737887143yes, you can beat the ENTIRE game including kefka with starting level party, never gaining a single level from any fightswith your exp modifier set to 0 for the whole gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5zdylTI2I4
>>737887710Damn... I knew 6 was a babby game but I didn't realize it was this much of a braindead piss easy on rails babby game.Jesus.
>>737877992Ya well you wanted to learn rages with Gau, you get what you asked for, there is a reason people bench Gau you fucking moron.>muh bad game design.Shut up Gau is shit, nobody cares.
>>737888995>it's bad on purpose! great argument
FF6 gameplay is just a watered down version of FF5 to fit the large amount of characters. The only characters worth using the ones with new commands like Sabin.
>>737890471>watered down version of FF5 there's nothing to water down from ff5 it's already barebones as is
>>737877935>well it's not ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED so you can't complain about itbro has the whole boot in his mouth
737890538>ff5 it's already barebones as isI remember when bait used to be subtle.
737891428>claiming ff6 isn't deeper than ff5oh lawdy lawd i remember when bait used to be believably
>>737879958But how?
>>737884509not even the crustiest most decrepyt old gooners lust for relmshe has 0 fans
>>737884509Okay Edgar
>>737892013paint enemies that get invisible or jump
>>737890461No, retard, it's just bad. By accident, like normal. Get over it. Move the fuck on and stop spouting meme buzz phrases and maybe you'll learn something in your useless fucking life.
>>737885809>power grinding>all you need is lvl 3 magic and some shop relics
>>737892872>it's just bad so you can't criticize it!brilliant once again, you must be one of those modern day thinkersmove on to where?i just got past the ifrit and shiva fight in the game and there's still a lot to go onhow do you even dress yourself in the morning?
Was playing the other day and legitimately forgot how to unlock Mog, note I played the game and beat it over a few times over the years, I had to look it up and forgot you need to catch lonewolf stealing from a south-eastern house in Narshe and follow him through the Narshe mines. Then you have a choice between Mog and a Gold Hairpin. Surely guys choose based Mog right?
>>737892963>>737885809>grindingUhh you can beat the game at level 3, sweaty.>>737887710
>>737893028why would i choose a useless party membersalso moogles were the reason FF died, so that abomination can burn in hell
>>737881990Chrono Trigger, unironically. Everyone has unique spells and dual techs. You can't go wrong with any combo.
>>737893154ehhh not really, it's close but it's more like there are sections of the game where some of the bench sitters are usefulbut in the end game most people bench robo and ayla and just use chrono/luca/marle/frogmagus is weird because he's optional and most people just skip him for story reasons
>>737884795There’s also FF6 Reimagined, even has a gameplay trailer.https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8804/
>>737890538This boss fight in FF5 might’ve been foreshadowing about love between a Human and Esper, just a theory.
>>737893406There might be some combos stronger than others but none of them feel weak, mostly because the game is very easy. I usually run Frog/Robo just cause I like them.
>>737893406why would wou bench ayla she's a kiling machine with a cheap aoe with crono you make no sense, like a brown kid that watched one streamer play the game once and believing it's the "right way to win".
>>737887710that's no the real original game who cares.
>>737896157you can do it in the original game toothey're the same for the most part
>>737877664He was basically a blue mage right? Has there been a single game where this job was not the dedicated wiki job?
>>737896917Bravely Second wrote down in the journal what enemies had skills that you could learn
>>737896917>He was basically a blue mage right? not really nohe can just copy the abilities and stats of enemy encounters and then basically use them to enter berserk state where he becomes uncontrollable and continuously uses whichever ability you selectbut he can't copy anything in battle nor does he return anything cast on him
ahemFUCK marlborosthat is all
>>737896917One of three in the game for some reason
>>737898471relm and gogo are also not that close to blue mages eitherthey're all somewhat adjacent to the idea but still different
I want to fuck Terra's tits
>>737898662same but esper form
>>737898662she's flat
>>737898690They get bigger when she transforms
>>737877664Africa>>737877935Sure is!
>>737877664Rage wild cat which he comes with.T-edition teaches you rages everywhere and lets you change what rage you are using every time his turn comes up.
>>737877952shadow is very useable because throw skill is still as op as it was in 3 and 4
I got all the good rages in like 3 total minutes. I was using an emulator with fast forward but I don't think it was at more than 3x speed.
>>737877952What a retarded take.Gau is the strongest character.Sabin and Edgar are next.Terra, Relm and Setzer are the garbage characters.
>>737899558>terra>garbagenever go full retard
>>737877664you only need cat scratch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZTSJ5ZKfTM>>>/mu/130064740
>>737899558Edgar is like the best mage without needing mana. I don't get why tools are so powerful with no downside like that. they aren't even rare like blue magic or rage or dances.
>>737878632Brown people can't even conceive of integrity.
>>737899672>needyou only need shelter, food and water to be alive tooand yet you seek more things like "etnertainment"curious how that works, isn't it?
>>737899776>and yet you seek more things like "etnertainment"curious how that works, isn't it?what FF song should i learn?
>>737878632>12 year old imitating some fake AI written youtuber nonsense to fit in with adultsevery fucking threads now we have those parasites barking nonsense and demanding to be treated like humans. every.fucking.threads.
>>737880487You can assign Gogo any ability there is in the status menu. He can simultaneously have blitz and tools and magic.
>>737877664>whose idea was it to put every single enemy and boss fight in the game into one encounter pool in the gameProbably the programmers being incompetentBTW 5 is still the superior game
>>737885003>i'm literally playing this right now you schizosGreat Taste anon
>>737893154Wrong. You want Ayla for stealing and you want Marle for healing because she has a dual tech to help stealing.
>>737877952I don't know how valid your gameplay complaints are because I haven't extensively used most of the cast, but you are correct that they should have narrowed the cast down and focused on only the main cast. You are also correct in comparing it to Chrono Cross, and I mean that in a bad way. Not the good parts of Cross.
>>737900012Doesn't make him any better.
>>737900169>BTW 5 is still the superior gamegameplay wise yes, storywise no
>>737900169>BTW 5 is still the superior gamein your dreams maybe
>>737900429he is rite ngl but u need to know why the only bad thing of 5 is the atb battles but i speed them up in the emulator
>>737884150The difficulty of getting that is that it requires encountering every enemy in the game for them to show up in the veldt in the first place.
>>737900407>gameplay wise yes, storywise noYes.
>>7379001695 has abhorrent story, characters and visual aesthetic/style.Even if the gameplay has a bit more to it I wouldn't suffer through it.
>>737885003Put Sabin in the back row. You can use aurabolt with down, down, left. You don't have to enter diagonals ever, just one or the other button. You are absurdly over levelled.
>>737900648The sole reason JRPGs are so bad now is because they were praised solely for their story, it made Square think they are Shakespeare or something and gameplay took a backseat. Now it is all about muh cinematics, muh deep character drama... they even opened a failed movie studio for fuck's sake... and meanwhile games that came 30 years ago had more engaging gameplay.
>>737900648the story in Galuf's World is good tbqh famalamabimbombamI like the part where Galuf makes you wait outside the submarine in hopes his best friend will return but he never does, then he sits down all depressed in the dark in the basement of the submarine. The tension in that scene felt real for a pixelshit game, I'm not an NPC so I can imagine everything as it had modern graphics and it hit me in the feels. Anyway the the job class system rocks we need FF17 to have that but expanded.
>>737900902The Paramore bitch is what every single man thinks about when they make up some fiction character they wish were a loving gf
>>737900859JRPGs used to be good because they used to all be directly inspired by western fantasy, now it's just all anime weeb dating sim garbage with an attached numbers game
>>737887710That's like the trannies who walk through walls and get the credits to scroll. You didn't beat shit.
>>737900983trvth nvke>tfw no fun tomboy punk rock scene emo gf
>>737893028This is only to get him in the 1st world, which is required for the water dance you will never use. You can get him later either way.
>>737877664Never used Gau after the part that forces him in my party.
>>737877952Every single skill in that game becomes poingless once you have level out enough.
>>737900780>Put Sabin in the back row. You can use aurabolt with down, down, left. i know>You are absurdly over levelled.yeah i had to do a lot of encounters to get the rare spawns like back in the moogle cave where you have to step on the light and get it wrong i think i did close to 100 fights before i got that one specific rare group pattern appear for the first time
>>7379008595's gameplay ain't all that and a bag of potato chips eitherit's still mediocre
>>737900995what part of it was him walking through walls?the fuck?stop spouting your ai generated nonsense and take that grok cock out of your mouth
>>737900859Square didn't and doesn't want to be compared to Pokemon which has better profits and 0 budget; so they ditched gameplay for movies. They abandoned their own business.
>>737893626Whats the story of this boss?
>>737901390You don't need every enemy pattern only one for each enemy. That encounter is always a specter(?)
>>737901520I'm not going to watch some shit exploits. I already know it will be joker doom or vanish/x-zone. Complete faggotry.
>>737901696nah there was that one random encounter there with a low chance that had like 6 enemies in it with a unique one
>>737901779>I already know it will be joker doom or vanish/x-zonewell it doesn't have thoseso you can suck a cock i guess
>>737877664>get to veldt>get gau>bench him for the rest of the game>use gogo instead because I know how to actually use him
>>737877952>anyone other than Celes, Edgar, and Setzerplebian
>give character 256 rages>he'll use maybe 2 at most, and one of them is permanently missable if you don't encounter the cat enemy in the world of balanceNot like it even matters. You end up quadcasting ultima at the end of the game and murdering the final boss in 5 seconds.
