/v/ doesn't know what a JRPG is.
>>737888105Did you just finish your favorite Youtubers newest video and copy paste the thumbnail here?I think it was Yoshida who said JRPG was a sort of derogatory term, like "I love RPGs but JRPGs suck."
>>737888105Play better jarpigs.
>>737888105They are rpgs specifically made by and for the Japanese.
>>737888105Japanese Role Playing GameTechnically any time you control a character in a Japanese game it falls inder this category, like Mario or Sonic.
>>737888105An RPG made on Japan. Like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Dark Souls and Tales.
Surely /v/ doesn't conflate turn-based combat with JRPGs... right?
>>737888105You mean the French role playing game is actually a Japanese role playing game?!! Gas E33 shills.
spaghetti western
>>737888105N niggas in a row
>>737888401post one retard
>>737888105There's no technical difference between The Witcher 3 and Final Fantasy. Therefore, everything is a JRPG because Japan invented RPGs.
>>737889929Japan didn't invent RPGs.
this thread is proving OP right
>>737890082They actually created the system we use today.
>>737889929>There's no technical difference between The Witcher 3 and Final FantasyFunnily enough neither of those are role playing games.
>>737890967You don't know what an RPG is
>>737888105>/v/ doesn't knowYou could've ended the thread right there
>>737888105It’s a dated term now.
Japanese-coded roleplaying game
>>737888105E33 is a JRPG/thread
>>737891163a jewish rpg maybe
>>737888105E33 will never be a real JRPG
>>737888105/ck/ doesn't know what italian cuisine is.
>>737889875It's one of the better ones.
>>737888105Jrpg was a word coined by PC gamers who hated the simplicity and anime aesthetics of Rpg's made in Japan, so they added the J to make a clear distinction when discussing the genre in forums.>>737888368it is derogatory.
>>737891602As God intended. All tranime gaymes belong in the trash.
>>737888105Japanese Role Playing Game means the game is japanese which doesnt apply to plebbit 33
>>737891304This SHILLmage doesn't tell me much about your RPGmakerSLOP. Wanna take an honest to God opportunity to sincerely explain what makes it so good?
>still being assraped by E33s success
We've (referring to 'gamers' as a collective) has had the RPG semantics debate countless times by now, and it never goes anywhere because everyone only insists that their definition of RPG is correct without making any effort towards a consensus while bad-faith arguments are rampant whenever this debate comes up. I don't know why anyone still bothers wasting time with it in anno domini MMXXVI. RPG has essentially become a pointless term. My cock and balls are an RPG because I say so. Tabletop D&D isn't an RPG because I say it isn't.
JRPGs are just ripoffs of Wizardry/Ultima with a gay anime art style and bad writing
>>737891024A game about role playing a character. Abilities and leveling up doesn't make a game a role playing game.
>>737890967Trvth nvkeJarpigs other than like Romancing SaGa are not rpgs
>>737892378RPGs must have characters you can create and name yourself or it's not a RPG but only a G
>>737893613Simply not true
>>737893340saga isn't a rpg retard
JRPG is final fantasy X. It has to be turn based and also made in Japanese style. A WRPG is like god of war, dark souls, it’s not turn based. The camera has to be behind a guy on the screen for it to be a j or w rpg. Clair obscur is a JRPG, even though it wasn’t made in Japan and doesn’t look like Japanese style. Lord of the rings turned based game isn’t a JRPG, it’s a turned based rpg. Because it’s very western, it’s too western to call it Japanese. Xenoblade chronicles is a JRPG, even though it’s a modified turn based system involving movement. It’s more like an mmo combat JRPG. You can’t really define JRPG officially at this stage of development. Its more intuitive, im correct and that video guy is just trying to be the center of attention.
>>737888105>jrpg>E33I hate casuals and newfags so much it's unreal.
>>737889929>There's no technical difference between The Witcher 3 and Final Fantasy.
>>737889929retard
I will never play E33.
>>7378881053-4 little niggers in a row = JRPG
>>737888105>YOUR WRONG>IM RIGHT>LIKE AND SUBSCRIBEdon't care, not clicking your video
>>737894248>saga isn't a rpgDo tell.
>>737893340How do you even get into SaGA without your brain wanting a guide?
A JRPG has to be Japanese. Simple as. I don't like that term because no other game genre uses nationality as a descriptor, I would rather use other descriptors for the games such as Action RPG, Strategy RPG, etcetera. Nobody calls Rayman an euro platformer, nobody calls Call of Duty an american shooter. Not even the Japanese like the term JRPG. But if we're going to keep using that term the definition is very simple. Japanese.
>>737895249A guide for what exactly? The only complicated, really complicated SaGa is Unlimited.
4NiaR
>>737888105>/v/ doesn't know what a JRPG is./thread/v/ is retarded
>>737895372Unlimited isn't complicated, it's just weird if you've never played tabletop, as far as mechanics go it's one of the easier games in the series especially since enemies are severely undertuned outside of the final boss, and arguably Amemit, Tagut and the Round Table bossrush.
>>737895372>Unlimited SaGa>complicatedIt's not complicated, it just doesn't tell you jack shit about how it works. There's a difference between a game being hard to play even in the presence of its rulebook, and a game simply not giving you its rulebook at all.Catan is a simple game that anyone of any age can reasonably learn in an hour, but without the rules at hand, no one will figure out how you're meant to play it.
I saw a vkei band from a SEA monkey country the other dayThey aren't a jrock band because they aren't Japanese even though their lyrics were in broken japaneseA final fantasy-like made in France is not a JRPG because it wasn't Japanese
>>737891838gormless retard
>>737891238Really embarrassing and I haven't even played E33Kill yourself
>>737895343Spaghetti Western. Which refers to not just Italian westerns, but European westerns in general. There are also other "denationalised" terms like a Romanian Deadlift or a French Press, which have long ceased to be associated with their country or origin.You can also identify specific generic traits. Games like Crystal Project and E33, which are explicitly inspired by JRPGs, all use turn-based combat systems. And nobody refers to Souls games as JRPGs apart from pendants.
JRPG just means "turnbased game with anime elements"When dark souls was out people said it was a WRPG because it was so good, not because japanese people made it
>>737889929>Japan invented RPGslol no. they stole the concept wholesale from the West.
>>737888105Linear Adventure Games with RPGs from Japan, simple as. Fuck off Chinese bot. Exp 33 is about as JRPG as Sparkling Water made in Russia is Champaign.
The Codex is cringe in many ways but one of the things they do get right is treating JRPGs and their fans like the bottom dwelling scum that they are.
The core of an RPG is a game in which the success and failure of a given set of actions is determined not by the player's skill, but by the character's. Everything else is secondary to this core concept.
If it has four niggas in a row, it's a JRPG.If it doesn't, it's not.Easy as.
>>737888105Jrpg as a term exists so your average normalfag don't accidentally pick the "cringey" (nu-term is now problematic) games and stay playing the kosher "mature" games. Changing the term now when normalfag core games failing left and right so fucking hard people straight up avoiding them is an admission of brutal defeat.
>>737888105So what is his argument?
what do kingdom hearts and e33 share if theyre both jrpgs
>>737897067Kingdom Hearts is an ARPG, not a JRPG.
>>737888810This.
Either Tales, Star Ocean and Ys aren't JRPGs or E33 isn't a JRPG. You can't have both.
>>737897321I don't consider Tales and Ys JRPGs, they're ARPGs through and through. Haven't played Star Ocean.
>>737897321You can because it refers to place of origin.
>>737897321The Japanese roleplaying games are jrpgs and the French roleplaying game isn't one
>>737888105Original term for JRPGs was Light RPG.
>>737897321>Ys aren't JRPGsTrue. Ys is an ARPG.
>>737891602Retard.
i tire of status-seeking sociopaths attempting to skinsuit categories with good reputation. you're not japanese, you may not lay claim to being japanese. e33 is not a jrpg. avatar is not an anime. your "sailor moon inspired" webcomic slop is not manga
>>737891602Even if it started off as derogatory, what of it?Monet and Cézanne received the harshest attacks. Critic and humorist Louis Leroy wrote a scathing review in the newspaper Le Charivari in which, making wordplay with the title of Claude Monet's Impression, Sunrise (Impression, soleil levant), he gave the artists the name by which they became known. Derisively titling his article "The Exhibition of the Impressionists", Leroy declared that Monet's painting was at most, a sketch, and could hardly be termed a finished work.He wrote, in the form of a dialogue between viewers,"Impression—I was certain of it. I was just telling myself that, since I was impressed, there had to be some impression in it ... and what freedom, what ease of workmanship! Wallpaper in its embryonic state is more finished than that seascape."[21]The term Impressionist quickly gained favour with the public. It was also accepted by the artists themselves, even though they were a diverse group in style and temperament, unified primarily by their spirit of independence and rebellion.
>>737898173Are you projecting here? It has nothing to do with wanting to be Japanese, it's just a basic bitch prescriptivist vs descriptivist conflict. One with a gameplay slant, as defenders of the JRPG=4NiaR position believe that genres should refer to gameplay systems first and foremost.
>>737898418then you should come up with a category that doesn't use the word japanese. you won't though, because what you really want is to position yourself as a fan of a well regarded genre
>>737898515Prescriptivist attempts at popularising terms like 'Light RPG' mostly failed. And descriptivists see nothing wrong with using JRPG, as many formerly national terms eventually left their home country. See >>737896528
>>737898683i'm not even reading your posts at this point bro, you're a snake and i don't want you near me
>>737888105That’s a French RPG
>>737898683Prescriptivists are retards who are offended by terms like murzyn, which is Polish for black person, NOT nigger. You can confidently say przystojny murzyn or piękna murzynka, whereas you cannot say handsome nigger. Same with "na Ukrainie/w Ukrainie" bollocks.
weebs are so thin skinned holy shit
>>737899217chinks trying to swarm the store shelves with their shit isn't funny, its getting old and predictable 5G tactic, fuck off.
>>737899217cool so don't lay claim to our genres
>>737898683A Western is an American movie set in the American West (already way more rigid than a JRPG). The ones done by Euros are called Spaghetti Westerns. It's a different name. JRPGs made elsewhere are still called JRPGs. They're not calling Clair Obscur a Baguette JRPG.
>>737899297>our genresMy brother in Christ, you're not Japanese.
>>737899491the world would only benefit from your death
>>737888105Yeah, I can't imagine what the definition of Japanese Role Playing Game is
>>737891838it has cool gameplay things that you gameplay on the gameplay and gameplay when you click them
>>737891238based
>>737888105People responsible for coining the names of videogame genres deserve death. 10 years ago they were saying Soulsbornekiroring with a straight face. 30 years down the line and they still can't explain what immersive simulation even is. JRPGs are called JRPGs because they're RPGs made in Japan.
>>737900465If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. I bet you're one of those fags that think whales are mammals and tomatoes are fruits.
>>737900465jrpg is a genre, a type of game, that E33 could be defined as. it's not simply a roleplaying game made in japan. thats the beauty of language, it evolves.
>>737896528>WesternA movie with cowboys with a specific setting and a specific timeframe>Romanian DeadliftAn exercise with specific instructions>French PressA coffee brewing device that has to meet specific requirements to be considered oneAll of these are set in stone. You won't find many people arguing about what a French Press really is. Someone in a different country can make a French Press. You can visually identify a French Press or a Western from one image.A JRPG is not the same thing at all because it's a very wide net. Gameplay? Some of them are turn based 4 african americans in a row. Some of them are action. Some of them are strategy games. Some you control a party and some you control one person. Setting? Some of them are set in the past, some in the future, some in fictional places and some not. Art style and presentation? Can be whatever. A Western or a French Press you already have a very good idea of what you're getting. A JRPG could be Persona 5, Nier Automata, Yakuza 7, Octopath Traveler, Fire Emblem Three Houses. Games that have very little in common other than having a story, health points and inventories.If JRPGs were a far more specific category (can only be four niggas in a row, can only be fantasy settings) then I'd be fine with calling games made outside Japan JRPGs but that's not the case. I'd rather kill the term JRPG altogether because it's been spread so thin it's useless as a descriptor. It doesn't really describe the gameplay and it doesn't even describe the country it was developed in.
>>737888401Is this game actually worth playing?
>>737899491Chinks ain't human, you have no rights.
>>737900465Metroid and Castlevania are Metroidvania games
Skyrim is a JRPG :)
>>737896381>>737900297Mission: failedKill yourself
>>737888105A JRPG is just a RPG but good
Do people seriously get paid to just repost shitty youtube videos or twitter posts on here, and if not, why the fuck is it half the goddamn board?
>>737888105You don't define WRPGs by a gameplay genre do you? No you don't. You consider CRPGs and Open World RPGs as WRPGs. So that means you consider WRPGs as a umbrella genre with multiple sub-genres underneath it.Then JRPGs are the same thing. You can have 4 niggas in a row, you can have action-slop rpgs, it doesn't matter. What matters is the region they're made in and the aesthetic they present.
>>737900867I think the term JRPGs can be rehabilitated to mean just 4 negroes in a row. All the other games you mentioned can have other genre names you can apply to them (ARPG, T/SRPG) and you can use JRPG consistently. The few exceptions I can think of are Vagrant Story and Xenoblade 1/Xenoblade X, which have such unique combat systems that they don't really fit into one neat category.>>737900874Yes, especially if you liked Romancing SaGa 2. Enchant Farm shill is an obnoxious cunt, but the game is actually good.
>>737901186I don't use the term WRPG in the first place. Unlike JRPG, you cannot use it to refer to one specific gameplay style, so it should be dropped.
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>>737888105The truth about the term "JRPG" is that it was a term that was coined by American game reviewers in order to more easily dismiss Japanese RPGs (aka the competition) while boosting the at the time rising stars behind America's CRPGs. The terms JRPG and WRPG weren't terms before then. Other terms were used instead. And it's not like the people who coined the term JRPG had any real theory and rigid framework to serve as the definition behind the term they had just coined. In truth it had no real definition at all. It just meant "those RPGs from Japan". And this is why people have never been able to agree on what the definition behind the term is. Because beyond the above, it never had a real definition. All other definitions are post-hoc attempts at scrambling a definition together after the fact from context cues. Which is where definitions like JRPG referencing turnbased RPGs with random encounters or whatever. Completely ignoring all the Japanese RPGs that weren't that at all, while also ignoring all the western RPGs that were exactly that. Including the grandfathers of all videogame RPGs like Wizardry. Western RPGs. Then people get all crazy with people thinking that a narrative story focus is needed for something to be a JRPG. Or a high enough or a low enough degree of complexity. Or simply the visual style of the visuals. And people can never fucking ever agree. Because the term never had a proper definition from the beginning and it's all just competing post-hoc definitions made by people who have desperately tried to define the term after the fact. But the truth is that the terms JRPG and WRPG aren't particularly useful at all. Other terms are more mechanically or even thematically descriptive. And if you genuinely just mean "Japanese RPG", "American RPG", or "Polish RPG" or whatever. You can just say that. It's still quick and easy. And there is no confusion around people trying to assign more meaning to the phrases than there actually is.
>>737888105shut the fuck up fucking FAGGOTI like my JRPGs turn based, customizable and dramatic and emo as fuck
>>737901173Parasocialfags are an epidemic
JRPG just means Japanese RPG, it is in no way indicative of the gameplay. Any other answer is wrong.
>>737901761T-T
SaGa was always shit.
>>737899491Yes I am.
>>737901761b-but e33 fans said that anything with 3-4 niggas in a row is a jrpg!!!
>>737901521>And if you genuinely just mean "Japanese RPG", "American RPG", or "Polish RPG" or whatever. You can just say that. It's still quick and easy.This is one of the reasons I think it's fine to use JRPG as a stand-in term for 4 niggas in a row. Say Japanese RPG and nobody bats an eye, while JRPG carries a different connotation.It's far from the only genre to suffer from a confusing definition. Immersive sims also suffer from frequent genre wars, as do roguelikes/lites. Even Metroidvania suffers from the same fate, even though I think it's the easiest to define. I think they're useful terms in spite of that, and I'll continue to use JRPG as 4NiaR.
>>737901835
>>737902209See >>737898186Besides, he's a faggot who made FF14, a shitty MMO, and FF16, a shitty action game. I want FF to be turn-based again.
>>737888105/thread
>>737902130>and I'll continue to use JRPG as 4NiaRProbably the most frictionless use of JRPG. But since there is so much bullshit surrounding JRPG, I still much prefer to just say 4NiaR if I meant 4NiaR. Personally. Feels cleaner.
>>737902371>unironically using AIsir, please be advised.
>>737902397I'd be down to rebranding it as 4NiaR, but I doubt it'd make any waves outside of this place, just like ASSFAGGOTS failed to make any splash.
>>737902524but the AI is right
>>737888105>/v/ doesn't know what a JRPG is.>linear story>nonexistent choices>unimaginative combat, all of them played the same way>every town has exactly one inn, one weapon shop, one item shopNPCs only exist to say “the bridge is out”>main character has amnesia or a dead village>villain is either a pope, a god, or a misunderstood "deep" character>combat is “attack, heal, attack, heal” for 40 hours>game introduces status effects>bosses are immune to all of them>random encounters every three steps>party members are "too deep for me shit" or tranime waifus>it’s 70% cutscenes, 20% running around like tard and 10% menuingYeah, the final thing. They're everything but RPGs.Did I miss something?
>>737888105This thread is proof that /v/ is 70% brown.
>>737902559Shut the fuck up nigger
>>737902786and despite this list the genre still features some of the best games ever made, iconic titles that are remembered fondly, responsible for influencing a generation of gamers and continue to mog any attempts at re-imagining new releases in the genre that try to do action rpg slop, effectively killing the series forever
>>737903146I accept your concession
>>737902786>there is yellow text>this yellow text shows up if you've 6LUK and not 5LUK>dice on the screen>It's a rpg because I see DICE ON THE SCREEN
>>737888105Rpg from japan.
>>737904101Wrong
>>737900672JRPG means japanese role playing gameE33 is not a japanese game therefore it's not a jrpg you retard.
>>737905484E33 is a JRPG dumbass
>>737905539It's a turn based rpg motherfucker. I'm not entertaining your ragebait any further
>>737888105An RPG made in Japan, a Japanese RPG, or JRPG for shortPersona is a JRPG, Pokemon is a JRPG, Bloodborne is a JRPG...If it's not from Japan it's not a Japanese RPGSo yes, I do know what's a JRPG
>>737902559At least MOBA is more useful of a term than JRPG. Even if ASSFAGGOTS is more descriptive, MOBA is at least a mechanically descriptive term even if it's perhaps too broad. The name "JRPG" isn't even a mechanical descriptor. Or even a thematic one. "RPG" is. But the "J" prefix is a publisher/dev geographical-origin tidbit.
>>737901835>realized nobody in western buy our gamefinallystop trying be sexy and global releasing, and know your base, foreskin.
>>737902786RPGs don't need to have any story or dialogue whatsoever to be RPGs. It is not what makes an RPG.
