It's over
braxen bros... we got finessed by Garry's micropenis again...
Fell for it again award
It's at 44% now lol. Garry is a retard who lost and will be bankrupt soon due to his stupid mong hubris. Haha! Loser! Losers lose, and Garry is a losing loser.
Still too high, should be mostly negative.
>"spiritual successor">except it's nothing like original and is just soulless safe-corny slop
deserved for trying to compete with roblox by using sausage people to bait kids and trying to "sanitize" gmod in general by policing servers and addons that are problematicGarry if you are reading this, your son isnt going to play your games, stop trying
>all the positive reviews are marker "product received for free"noooticing
>>737891208Garry could have done a lot better for himself by making sure all the core modes of Gmod were added in with brand new maps and mechanics. Every time I see footage of this, the maps for things like TTT or Dark RP are just recreations of the old maps and it just begs the question, why not just play the first game?
>>737891782Not gonna dox myself but the reason for the sausage people was to try and disencourage creation of porn games. Subject was brought up very often to almost obsessive degree and general sentiment was rather pearl clutching all the way from start.
reminder that garry was always a faggot and defended paid mods, and was going to add them to gmod before the skyrim backlash
>>737892546and that's why I will not buy your game
>>737891208>make Roblox>advertise it as GMod 2>it flopswhat a surprise
>>737892546Trying to solve problems before they happen is a good recipe for unintended consequences. Now every time someone brings up S&box they are immediately going to imagine ugly thumb people and how Gmod is better simply because its not immediately ugly. Fucked up the first presentation before they even had a chance to fight. Devs and publishers need to understand something very simple. People, even ugly people do NOT enjoy looking at ugly people.
>>737892546No, that's just the most realistic cope he settled on. The real reason is that the sausages are legally defensible, where generic people wouldn't be. He doesn't want someone building a brand like Skibidi Toilet and then merchandising without him getting a slice of the pie ever again.
This is what happens when you make Gmod but worse
>>737892578Strictly speaking there isn't really nothing wrong with paid mods, the issue is with forcing EVERYONE to do paid mods which is the standard now.
>>737891714I think he was forced to call it a spiritual successor and to add the sandbox game mode in.Pretty sure he said multiple times that "This isn't Garry's Mod 2! Stop calling it that!", but I feel like someone course corrected him a bit since people were expecting Garry's Mod 2 and now that is backfiring as well.The only thing similar to gmod with this thing is the half-assed sandbox mode and the amount of RP servers.
>>737893132this, it's a classic case of >If you make an OC using my game then that means I make money tooHe just wants to get a taste of the money and he can't do that unless he makes everyone an ugly looking sausage bean
>>737893132>>737893371You're both dumb because the license for s&box (Which violates his contract with Valve) already claims partial ownership of anything made with it.
>>737891208At this point I'll just be waiting for Garry Numan to actually deliver a game that doesn't feel like a beta or a husk of a better game from the past. I'll be waiting for a game that is not emulating Roblox in direction: which nobody wanted. It doesn't even have workshop integration or anything. Among other stuff mentioned in reviews which call into question what people will actually be able to make that will be meaningful in it. It's likely going to remain inferior to actual gmod. But we'll see if he can turn it around. I'm just not wasting the money for the time being.There's potential if he has any commitment to the vision which is why i will not spend money until there is better reception.
I'm ruined...
>"dude it's going to kill roblox! just watch!">$20 price tag
>>737891208investor sisters... our response
>>737893173Paid mods are actual cancer and are counterintuitive to what you think it would create. If something is designed to be a product its going to be made as cheaply as possible with planned obsolesces, ads, piecemealed through dlc/cosmetics/pay2win mechanics like we see with most shit these days. These types of content creators simply seek to rip you off for as much as they can get away with as cheaply as they can. If modders do it out of passion, they have no reason to monetize things. Until they set up a Patreon or some shit and never finish the mod because they decided to monetize it. Money ruins everything. I expect these paid mods to be on the same level that you see from any cheap app store.
>>737891208whats with the name, why not just name it sandbox?
>>737891208>have to hit shift+7 to type out a video game namethese guys retarded or something?
>>737891208any words from gary yet?
>>737891208what a dumb name for a game "ess and box" doesn't make any sense
>>737894610honestly the hardware requirements already filters >50% of roblox's userbase from booting sandbox anyway
>>737895051Just type sampersandbox if you're too lazy to hit a key on your keyboard, bro
>>737895929The best I can do is shitbox Garry
>>737892546I'd stick an entire Terry up my ass.
fucking robloxslop
I wonder if Garry released it in this state because he had already officially given up on this game. It's been in eternal development (likely dev hell) for a long time now. Maybe nothing went right all along and just he threw in the towel so he can make his next shitty Rust game. I'm not sure if anyone can claim that it's just a Beta! considering how long people were waiting for this. I'm not sure if there will be a willingness to improve anything.
Pirated it because I missed out getting it for free via beta access.I would unironically have more fun playing a completely stock install of Garry's Mod with JUST Half-Life 2 assets than this shit. This game was being teased since 2017, mind you.
>>737896270https://sbox.game/metrics/financeIt was hemorrhaging money and he needed a quick cash injection. I get the impression that wasn't enough though. People aren't buying the MTX.
>>737894560it has a shitty built in "workshop" with like no filtering options or way to actually subscribe to something so you just have to hope you can keep finding something. also no ability to download new tools for the sandbox mode which... is completely fucking stupid, it literally has less functionality than gmod 10 did in 2007
i actually agree with him on pic relit's a shame he didn't listen to his communityhilariously bad optics to have so much of your storefront have AIgen'd thumbnailsthey were told, and told, and told, and told, and told, but they kept backburnering the issues people were making on their github for filtration
>>737895738its supposed to be "sandbox" but i dont know why they didnt just do s@ndbox then, its easier to type than s&ndbox too
>>737896404would it even have 1 game if ai wasnt allowed?
>>737896575at all? probably not. even steam doesn't have a problem with AI in the backend now, so long as it's not user facing stuff. they updated the regs in january.
>>737896509Elite bait
>>737896404reading that blog post and it seems like they're in full denial mode kek
>>737896694>Not forgetting of course, our biggest fans got the game for free - so can't leave a reviewis this nigger seriously thinking the rating would be any better than it is right now? Lmao he really is that delusional
THEY RESET MY PROGRESS IN THE GRASS CUTTING GAME, GIVE ME BACK MY TRACTOR
>>737894610>>737895815this really shows how retarded garry isroblox succeeded because every retarded 10 year old can play roblox, get hooked by a shitty game and beg for mommys credit card so he can buy a 20 dollar cosmeticinstead hes put the 20 dollar price tag up front and now no one will give it to him
>>737896509they should have called it V!deoGame
>>737892546Clearly sanitized game trying to separate itself from GMod. Clearly Garry wants to be a big boy in the industry and actually letting players do whatever they want like in GMod wouldn't let him appeal to the woke faggots who think nude models of Alyx are offensive>>737893304Had nothing to do with that. It's purely a marketing stunt. Garry knew that nobody gave a fuck about yet another engineslop game and ended up marketing it as GMod 2 and even a Source 2 game despite being basically Unity-tier because it would at least bring in some money (it didn't even do that lmao)
>>737892546garry does the autistic retard head punching thing everytime the "YOU'RE GONNA SUCK THIS COCK CLEAN" clip gets reposted
>>737896694yeah garry the people who would be making money off this shit are more likely to try and get more people to playhes such a fucking retard its sad
>>737896389>it has a shitty built in "workshop"Garry trying to be a control freak despite using Valves engine technology is a real head scratcher.He was stingy about giving Valve royalties from his sales over Half-Life assets in the OG game and hence now gives us sausage people but this is taking it to another level. Taking a page out of Bethesdas book with the Creation Club. Sad!
>>737891208why are the chinese angry this time?
Can you use custom models like back in the days?
>>737897156official sandbox game doesn't even have that as a function lmao Garry is taking a piss at anyone who bought this day one
>>737895616Yeah it's just been a steady stream of GLUK-GLUK-GLUK-GLUK-GLUK-GLUK
>>737897156Iirc not if they're from Source even though base Source 2 has extremely adaptable model and texture portingHe replaced all that like he removed C++ and LUA which are also normally compatible with Source 2
>get game>kick cry and complain about itPc gamers gonna be pc gamers as usual
I genuinely have no clue why this existsGmod is still hereRoblox is freeThere's tons of game engines out there you can use without payingEverything this game wants to do already has been done betterWhy is this even a thing?
>>737897714delusions of grandeur
>>737892546puritanfagging for a game thats not even out.UH oh is that a milimiter of coom? Oh but the infinite gore mods are A approved.Reap what you sow retard, should be bombed even further to negative
>>737897629Yeah, PC chads have actual choice and expectations. Snoys like you get garbage and can only smile and nod because you have nothing else and can't even back out with a refund.
>>737897629>get gamebut I didn't pay 20 dollars for it?garry made a mistake by not just letting the beta participants keep their copy, what a game like this needs more than anything is an active community to help suck in more players, so much of roblox is powered by one person in a friend group going "bros you gotta try this epic steal a brainrot!", now he only has AI devs and people who idled on games that gave you free steam itemsalso he really should have made sure sandbox mode was feature complete and not treated it like a complete afterthought, fucking retard named his game after it and couldn't bother to actually make it until a month before release
Like half the soul of gmod was the valve games. this shit has absolutely zero sauce.
>>737898067>half the sovlLiterally all the sovl was Valve games with ported FNaF and Mario or Sonic or Kirby models. 90% of Gmod anims are TF2 or CS-based, most modes are based around old CSS modes and people love to roleplay as a C17 citizen or as an Aperture employeeRemoving all of it to keep more cash is only going to bite them in the ass, they should have just released GMod 2 with HLA models as a base and let the game develop from there
Archive now has tons of poorly aged posts made by members of Garry's discord shilling this garbage and making people believe it would be da next big thing in gaming
>>737891208>it's just like the thing you already play except it's newer and worse and less supported and you have to pay more money for it
>>737897629There's high expectations considering the original Garry's Mod remains alive in playerbases to this day and is something in which people never stopped their dedication to. You have to provide a reason for playerbase migration otherwise nobody will spend the money. He's treating his games like he does with Rust rather than his oldest most iconic game. He does microtransactions and all that gay shit and thinking of every little possible way that he can control everything that happens in his game and closing it off as much as possible. Lost sight of when he was a modder just making cool shit for half-life. Literally nobody wants Roblox.Money corrupts motherfuckers.
>>737891993those aren't actually included in the overall score as far as i'm aware.
>>737898223desu i think both valve and facepunch are retarded here, valve gets a 30% cut anyway so charging licensing fees for what would be one of steams largest games for the next 30 years is just stupid and garry is just mentally disabled for not wanting to make gmod 2 in the first place
>>737898529Valve doesn't give a fuck, they own a gaming monopoly, this was just to shut up Garry's whiny assIt's Garry who's a fucking retard for wanting to make Roblox buy even more for pedos and troons instead of just doing his old game again and getting even richer
>>737896404I agree with him too but none of this would be an issue if he just made Gmod 2 aka Gmod on a modern engine, a remaster. That's what people wanted and still want. But no, he wants to feel special.
I want to get this just to mess around with Source 2. Should I get it?
>>737899371Its not Source 2 nor is it a game to "mess around" . Everything about this game is a lie,
>>737899371depends on what you want to get out of it, it's a game engine. not modding half life alyx
>>737899371if you just want the engine to test you can build it from source on github and spoof the steam IDonly thing you cant do is use cloud assets or publish when you do that
>>737899371no, don't reward garry's mental retardation
>>737896404>Indian slaves are dedicated humansyeah, dedicated to slave labor for valve slop farms, lmao
>>737894610Its not even the $20 price tag thats the problem its everything else being shit onto of it. If it was atleast a competent engine then youd be able to get people to stomach the price and develop games
>>737894870>the most valuable personsSAAAAARRRRRSSSSSSS
>btfo your pathS&box shills on suicide watch.
>>737896694>Not forgetting of course, our biggest fans got the game for free - so can't leave a reviewThat they then took away.
>>737894560>Lighting style system from quake was removedYeah it was, and it was replaced with a new system where you can customize the flickering pattern with a curve editor, instead of typing aaabbmmhggg string.>Importing source 1 assetssome of these are brought back by community works. There is an example importer for quake assets by facepunch.>HammerIs it being replaced tho? i remember that they recently updated how maps work in engine, where maps also include scene files inside or alongside them that contain all the interactable stuff. Also new vvis compiler they got from valve. And the fact that maps run better than scenes by their nature of being pre optimized.
>>737900051yes if you didn't play for 4 months you lost the game
>>737899962>TTRPGs for Trans Rights
>>737892546Fuck yourself garry
>>737894610/Thread/
>>737898245Post them
>>737898245
>>737900135It got taken away if you hadn't published a game or put money in, so most of the 'people' who kept the game are investors.
>>737892546Roblox avatars got sexualized, Mr. Jewman. You really think your down syndrome sausages won't fall prey to it if someone REALLY decides to show demand for it?
>>737896694>The main complaints are all the content in the garbage is horrendous unplayable garbage, it barely functions and despite selling and marketing it as the spiritual successor to Garry's Mod it's nothing like it
didnt garry say he would add real player models or did he change his mind? hes been told for years that the sausage people are terrible.
>license source 2>but gut it to turn it into temu unity without the huge amount of documentation, tutorials, and support unity has>make the game like roblox>but require you pay in order to use it, has absurdly high system requirements compared to roblox, and can only be played on pcs
>>737897442>Lua is compatible with Source 2source on this?
>>737900590yes, real humans have been in the game for 3 years
>>737900476post 5 examples of sexualized sausage persons
>>737900590>trusting garrylmao
>>737900590He did, but they are those Rust type models.
I don't know why Garry thinks his franken-engine is going to be able to compete with any other game engine or UGC platform.>Don't want to use Unity because of their past fuckeryGarry partially owns your game.>Want good graphics?Unreal is the better option there.>Want to be in a hub of content to earn money?Roblox has the larger base>Want something that has decent performanceAny other mainstream engine is probably betterAny serious project will be made with something else, the only reason people would use this is sunk-cost or people thinking they can make a quick buck off a playerbase that doesn't exist.
>post release blog posts are just devs coping that the game isn't that bad and they have data to prove itLol. This shit is never going to get fixed.
>>737900476robloxes are sexy, sausages are irredeemable
why didn't he just use source 2
Garry if you're reading this, here's how you make a product people want to buy and spend money on:>$20 and NO microtransactions. If servers want to add a paid storefront let them enable it and set it up. >Change the potato models to HL2 models. This is part of your brand and it must stay. >More maps. Go find out wherever nipper is and just pay him a flat fee per map. If you get 100 kick ass maps people will come.>Add train simulator functional. The only game with worse microtransactions than S&B is railworks. If you yourself personally build a good, reliable, stable train physics sim you'll get simmers jumping over and filling servers up.You can then sell S&B Forum Passes and S&B Forum Gold™ for $5 and $50/mo respectively. You can make more money from this to normies than selling hot girl skins to whales.
i want a simple definitive answer from someone intelligent and knowledgeable on the matter with no ulterior motives or inclination to be dishonestIs S&Box a game development engine; can you ultimately create a video game in it as you would using Godot, Unity, Unreal?
>>737900742Gary is retarded like literally a fucking retard. He only lucked into gmod and every other decision he makes is always him shooting his own foot
>>737900060>Yeah it was, and it was replaced with a new system where you can customize the flickering pattern with a curve editor, instead of typing aaabbmmhggg string.downgrade
>>737900824No unless you know Lua. At that point you are better off in Unity or Godot. Unreal is a bit harder.Also, if you know Lua then you're better off just making a game off HL2 with the Source SDK or HL1 with the Goldsource SDK. Which many people have done, successfully and there is a lot more documentation on it, despite Valve breaking it all with the steampipe update.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZY1KsPwiHQThis aged poorly.
>>737900763yeah they're fully digging in
>>737900135i had 50 hours and played nearly every game that released, last played the day before they revoked keysthe people who didn't get access pulled are fucking NFT investors or become a brainrot entrepreneurs
>people were buying some of the cosmetics for over 1k over the last couple weeks
>>737900060problem with scene mapper atm is it is stuck in transitional statethey have deprecated hammer but you can still access itscene mapper has a lot of tools but isn't quite on par with HLA hammerthey really need to just all hands on deck it for 3 weeks and get it up to feature parity then allocate a couple devs to work on getting it to CS2 hammer levels>>737900824yesfull disclosurei am experimenting with the engine. i don't care about the platform. i want to publish past it cause i don't like the sausage men or roblox shiti have made games in ue5/godot/unitythe main strength of s&box is its networking API and hotreloading which gives you insane iteration speedyou can invite people to join your editor session and hotreload and it propagates to each client which lets you conduct live playtests and make changes to feedback without needing to rebuild/recompilethere are major downsides to the engine atmoptimization is shit, occlusion culling barely works, light baking only for indirect light probesclone it from github, build it from source and spoof the steam api, test it yourself, it's free>>737901079what the fuck are you talking abouts&box does not use Lua it's exclusively C#they're even deprecating every visual scripting language so you have to l2use C#he asked for people who know what they're talking about
>>737900824Yes, you can create games from scratch with it and release them independent of the s&box platform. It uses C#.The only caveat is you MUST release it on Steam. You can still release it on other platforms too but Steam is required.
>>737901225mbthey're deprecating actiongraph before someone jumps down my throatreplacing it with Doo which is basically just meant for level designers and not for actual programming
>>737900824yes
>>737900824Technically, yes. But it hasn't been done yet. No one knows how much their toy box can handle since no one has published a good game with it yet. I'd advise against using it until someone proves that it can handle making games that aren't idle clickers or stolen from roblox.
>>737901225>s&box does not use Lua it's exclusively C#sorry, garry permabanned me for calling him a faggot when he made this decision so I'm not in the loop.
>>737901225the most sane post in these threads so far
>>737901225I have to ask, is it even worth taking the time to learn the engine right now in its current state? I feel like I should just wait a couple more years for them to actually optimize shit
>>737901978nta but if you start now you have a head start with your game in case it gets big. it's quite stable already, it just has a lack of end user polish
>>737902124I saw someone mention Flax in an earlier thread and it seems to have C++ and C# as well as visual scripting and hot reloading I was wondering why people barely mention this engine since it looked more competent https://flaxengine.com/features/seems like an in-between unity and unreal
>>737901039https://sbox.game/news/may2022#light-animations
>>737900149Don't be surprised at that when they had blm and abortion rights bundles
>>737901096I commented in that video that this retard was being delusional
>>737900476>>737900772You guys really think tobloxians are sexy? I bet you find sausage men sexy too
>>737900590Not only they are in game, all the cosmetics items also work both on them. There was a toggle on the main menu even. but haven't seen the most recent menu. But it's games that decide which ones are used, not you.
>>737902765>tobloxianmore like troonbloxian aka Logan Eberly the failed webfishing player and indie pixelshit failure
>>737892546Kill yourself garry
>>737896404I hate this faggot so fucking much and I can't even really tell why
>>737899801Prove S&ndbox isn't a competent engine
>>737896694>"went as expected...put us in profit"good to know he got his priorities straight>"This isn't Garry's Mod"Nigga it says on the storefront its the "spiritual successor to Garry's Mod"
>>737900820He's never gonna listen to any feedback. I will never forget that time he threw a tantrum on twitter because people were complaining about a objectively shit update to Rust. He told people to just stop playing if they didn't like it. That's how much Garry Kikeman cares about his players, he cares about money which is why tr&box has a market in the first place.Rust has market by the way but there was a plug in that pretty much every popular community server used, that let players just use whatever skin they wanted even if they didn't own it. Facepunch then changed the Rust TOS to make it so this plugin was illegal to use and servers/players using it would be banned from the game
>>737900601NTA but Dota 2 uses lua to define hero abilities and custom games in arcade i think, deadlock uses something different, and cs2 uses typescript and java for ugc.
>>737903751lmaoImagine if Valve had something in the TF2 TOS that went "YOU CAN'T GIVE HATS AND WEAPONS IN CUSTOM SERVERS"what an insecure faggot, maybe if his game was good and the economy worthwhile people would invest in it. Ratfaced cunt
>>737903751>>737903906you're allowed to use any paid cosmetic even paid community cosmetics freely in your games on the platform even without paying
>>737903906>he doesn't knowhttps://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Hatless_Updaterobin named update hatless because it secretly made in-game cosmetics turn invisible if they were created by server.this fucked up vs saxton hale gamemode and valve were pressured into adding setcustommodel input to tf_player entity, so that vsh could work
Gmod 1.0 was ass too and it took years until it became good
>>737903971Hows that going to generate money for jeet devs then?
>>737904091it was also much much much smaller scope than this
>>737895738SamersandBox
>>737903971Except that the platform is shit and there's no justifiable motive for cosmetics in a fucking gamemaking engineIt made sense in Roblox because 1. it's FREE, 2. it's for kids and 3. it had a lot of focus on a customizable character thing. But most people would rather have this game have the fucking Kleiner model back or PM selection instead of the sausage men nobody cares about>>737904072>robin made this update do shit secretly>but named it something that directly hinted at ityou expect me to buy this retard? Ignoring the fact that the wiki doesn't even support you
>>737903971For how long? This wasn't in rust to begin with either, it was something they changed just last year, here it is.https://facepunch.com/legal/servers>(c) Can I grant use of Facepunch DLC to users if they don't own it? No - you must not grant access to any Facepunch DLC to players who have not validly purchased it. Servers may not bypass ownership checks or artificially enable Facepunch DLC.>"Facepunch DLC" includes but is not limited to: (i) paid content packs (e.g. building skins, decor packs, hazmat skins, instruments); and (ii) approved in-game purchases (e.g. Facepunch approved Steam Marketplace skins, items or cosmetics). You really think it's not gonna be a thing in s&box too down the line?
>>737901819it's annoying because people are just making up blatantly wrong shit in all of these threads like the dumb motherfucker saying it's Lua then lying about getting banned from the forumsthere was no "decision made" about it being Lua or nots&box has never been Lua. it was initially UE4 which is about as far from Lua as you can getthe engine has obvious problems and is open source.just go look at it, clone it from git, run the bootstrapper and spoof the steam ID, it takes less than 5 minutes, i'll even spoonfeed peoplethe problems with it are pretty obvious if you know what you're looking atbut 90% of the people posting in these threads know absolutely nothing about engines, programming, mapping, or anything to do with game developmentit's either people who hate garry because of old beef or his fucking attitude (fair) or barely know who he is and hate him because 4chan tells them to>>737901978i am doing it mainly because i hate unity after working with it for 3 years and i do not like godot or its developersi've been looking for a way out of the unity ecosystem for months and just said fuck it and hopped into s&box to see if i liked it (i do, with caveats)for me i don't care about early adoption or anything like that, it's just the problems that it has don't really affect me all that muchoutside of the scene mapper being incomplete which they're getting such a biblical deluge of complaints about im assuming they'll reprioritize soonthe thing about it is 'learning the engine' is kind of a moot point, most 3D engines are very similarit's also so close to unity that you could pretty much take most of your s&box knowledge and port it 1:1 over if you end up not liking itexcept for the part where unity has no hotreloading unless you pay for it and constantly recompiles if you even look at the editor funny which takes like 20 seconds each timenot talking about the platform. idgaf about the platform. just the engine. the engine has legs.
>>737904120people will buy the game and cosmetics regardless, which is evident here: https://sbox.game/metrics/skins>>737904210sure, can't promise anything
>>737901225Question, can you even use the github version. Like i know that they opensourced only their stuff that they build on top of source 2. Does the github version even have source 2 files in it, or do i ahve to source them from other places?
>>737904313nta, the source 2 binary blob files are downloaded from facepunch when running bootstrap. they're closed source and cannot be modified.
>>737904256>it's either people who hate garry because of old beef or his fucking attitude (fair) or barely know who he is and hate him because 4chan tells them toMost people hate it because they just fucking wanted GMod but in Source 2 which is what has been ROUTINELY advertised by Garry. Instead it's an engine literally nobody gives a fuck about, it has weird playermodels, no real fun inside and it's buggy as shit and full of AI trash, horrible performance and microstransactions to boot. Plus it's barely fucking Source 2No wonder people are pissed
>>737904416i don't think he ever advertised it as having half life alyx and cs2 assets shipped with it
>>737896509Satnd box?
>>737904502The steam store straight up says "s&box is a game creation platform built on Valve's Source 2 engine - our spiritual successor to Garry's Mod""Spiritual successor" is vague nonsense but it certainly cannot be what S&Box is because GMod WASN'T a game engine, ever. And yes people expected Alyx and CS2 assets because that's how GMod did it
>>737902476right, downgrade, it worked perfectly fine for light flickering and is way faster than fucking with curves for 30m to get the same effect
>only reason Garry's Mod became one of the most popular PC things ever is because people put in every single thing under the sun from every other media in it>let's make a garry's mod 2 except you can't do any of thatle lol
>>737904591you could make total conversions and games in gmod, even though it wasn't a game engine. i don't really see your comparison.yes, people expected it. but it was never advertised as such.
>>737904091gmod 1.0 was free.the correct comparison is gmod 10, which also cost $20 and had way more gamemodes, maps and content than slopbox
>>737904635nothing's stopping you from uploading amogus, facepunch doesn't take action unless they get a dmca
>>737904678gmod 10 cost $10 and shipped with sandbox, that's it
>>737900742>>Don't want to use Unity because of their past fuckery>Garry partially owns your game.I thought that Gary wanted people to make games off this franken engine with no strings attached? Or was that Youtubers shilling this game?
>>737904650Expectations bring results. It's his fault for making something nobody wanted instead of the thinsg everyone wanted
>>737904838mossman sex on de_dust2 is a tiny user base, nobody plays sandbox in gmod anymore
>>737904794and a bunch of game modes like zombie survival and darkrp were available day 1 because they started on gmod 7-9.meanwhile slopbox has uhhhhh.... ai casino slop and not much else
>>737904924there's a bunch of good games on it, admittedly not worth $20 yet unless you're a developer yourself though
I'd consider it if it was $10 and the ai sloppa spam is cleansed.
>>737904208nta, but they did something to servers that gave out cosmetics, mostly because some of them monetized them (you know, vip status on servers and etc.) They did something similar in csgo, especially gimping giving knifes through console commands. Also they went after some custom games in dota 2 for monetisation that went outside their system and even asked for revenue details from authors. (but that also had something to do with those custom games "giving out" existing dota 2 skins as rewards, and/or giving gameplay advantage in those games)
>>737904721These are just random models, SBox can't do the proper big "mods".Like just today I ran into a fucking addon that put 2B's sword thingy into Garry's Mod, and when you use it, you have access to the full combat from Nier with all the animations, mechanics, etc.That is fucking insane and something SBox can't replicate because its just not as maluable.
>>737904091How is this even a comparison?Gmod beta was in development for only two years and a year after release (3 years counting) it was a full-fledged game with tons of fun shit to do. Now that is 3 years. Sandbox has been in development for 9-10 years and offers nothing, just loads of bugs and jeet games. Can't compete with roblox, can't compete with Gmod. Also Facepunch, an entire studio behind sandbox.
>>737893173It's a slippery slope, why make a free mod when you can make it paid? No, mods should be something a passionate player/person makes. Not something someone does for profit, get a job or make your own game at that point.
aaaand crested, peak of 1/3rd yesterday
>>737891208even the normies can tell that this is just a low effort grifting machinenobody uses this shit for fun, it's just about making money
>>737902476>"attributes not allowed" errors showing below almost every imageGarry can't stop fucking with APIs even on his site. What an embarassment.
>>737905005because it's a game engine, not a source entity base where everything is extended from a base gamemode. you roll your own player, your own health system, your own weapon system. if you were limited to these, your options for making a game are more restricted - which is exactly what gmod was. if i want to have two shotguns in gmod, well fuck you because source only allows you to carry one of every weapon class type.sandbox specifically will probably get more mod support eventually, a sword that alters all that would technically be possible already, it would just be something you spawn though and not an installed addon
>>737905125im one of the retards that bought the game in the vain hope that they might right the ship and reorient toward gmod 2. its legitimately insane how many errors get spewed on the screen when i just load into the official construct or flatgrass maps on sandbox, no idea what the fuck they're doing to fuck this up
>>737905154why on earth would i want to carry two shotguns
>>737905239because maybe my game allows you to carry any number of weapons? why should i be limited by the system in the engine
>>737892546This is so retarded I believe it. Hell even if anon is LARPing this was probably their line of though
>>737905274i can carry any number of weapons in gmod though, why the fuck would i want duplicates of the exact same gun
>>737905356why not? why are these limits funmaybe one shotgun shoots faster than the other, maybe one has more ammo. but since they're the same class, only one can exist.
>>737904826I was going off what I saw someone said somewhere else, but looking into it...It's a revokable license. If they wanted to stop you at any time they can legally do so and you're shit out of luck. You own your assets and code, but they own all of their assets and engine/code.It's unlikely to be an issue, but if you want to be careful about what engine you want to use, it might be something to consider, especially with how Garry has a history of wanting to control what people do with his games.
>>737904627sorry but you are retarded, they streamlined it and brought it to the same standarts as other tools in editor, because the aaattmmggbns string bullshit was build JUST for quake light styles and nothing else. That's just legacy that they don't even need to preserve because there wasn't even a backlog of content that used it (because that content will break regardless)Like why would they even keep that system while they have graph editor they use in all other places?
>>737904313the current stance on clone/bootstrap/spoof is that it's not officially supported and if there's any blocking changes that mess with it they're not gonna fix itbut they're also not going to go out of their way to fix it because they don't care. if people want to tinker with the engine, they can go ahead.however, you would not be able to publish a s&box game without paying for the engine because engine rights are obtained by signing the EULA. you also can't connect to the cloud to use any of the public libraries or assets.
>>737902765I would probably play roblox more if I could make my avatar have that shape, I don't understand the game though so I never play it.
>>737905547nope, downgradesorry about your lack of a soul op
>>737905154>if i want to have two shotguns in gmod, well fuck you because source only allows you to carry one of every weapon class type.you're describing the hl2 weapon inventory systemit's a game design decision, not a limitation of source itselfthere were multiple total replacements for it because it was very easy to replace
>>737905678if you replaced the inventory system, then weapons that expected the built in one wouldn't work. this is the exact issue with s&box too
>>737905017gmod is a mod, you know? it inherited everything from hl2, even the phys gun, you know about phys gun right?
>>737905657Explain then why the old system is better, nigger.
>>737905868Yes and? You made that retarded comparison
>>737905732no, it worked fine. the inventory mods just hooked into modded weapons (or had the engine point them to the mod) and replaced the basic hl2 stuff with the mod stuff because source allows you to point and hook thingsthe only thing that would be missing from custom inventories for weapons from other mods would sometimes be icons, but some mods just showed a thumbnail image of the 3d model or went as far as to dynamically generated a stylised 2d icon based on the 3d model
>>737905991NTA
>>737906006ah interesting, didn't know that. haven't played gmod in a while.regardless, i don't doubt sandbox will get better mod support over time though, it just needs to be thought through properly
>>737903139Webfishing (now dead) was made by an anti-white and anti-straight troon though
>Gmod has 4 times the players as S&box right nowHe's gonna sabotage it with an update, isn't he? I honestly thought S&box was gonna be a bigger deal than it was, only 4.5k players on day two is pathetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3JzxlatUshow do you go from making TUNES like this to getting sued by valve because even your games main menus are a wonky broken mess
>>737905925because curve editors are always clumsy and slow to edit compared to just smashing in a string composed of two repeating letters op. i dont want to spend 20 minutes refining the perfect curve sequence for a flickering light when ababbababaaaba works just as well and takes 5 seconds
>>737905202by that time the game will be free
>>737906645only if it survives that long
>>737906645How are they gonna make money if its f2p and the fact that you can use all cosmetics for free?
>>737904838Expectations bring results if expectations are in line or adjacent to what is planned.Expectations don't bring results if its just little more than random assumptions or are not related at all to what is planned.They especially don't bring results if it requires extensive legal agreements that can be tricky to get done, especially when they are already pushing the limits to get what they have so far.
>>737906718You pay for gamemodes people create and Garry takes a 30% cut of every sale, as is the industry standard.
fuck you garryi shilled your game for you on /v/ for 5 years
>>737906908but you don't pay for games people created that are on s&box
>>737906975You pay for stuff in the games and then Garry steals 30%.How do you think the f2p Grow a Garden on Roblox brings in $7.5 billion a year?This isn't Gmod 2, it's Roblox 2.
>>737907102>>737906908there are no ingame microtransactions, there's no paid asset store
>>737907102there aren't any microtransactions within the games themselves
>>737906718Off the top of my head:>They use this for in-house development of their own games and set aside a portion to S&box and the play fund.>They approach people who are planning on going standalone to act as publisher in order to allow their games to launch with higher prestige/advertisment/etc compared to the deluge flooding steam, in exchange for a percentage going to S&box and its play fund.>Whales not caring and just buying stuff from the marketplace anyway.
>>737904894>nobody plays sandbox in gmod anymoreTons of people do, in fact it's the biggest part of GMod and it's where a lot of large communities like the haunted maps and map explorations come from. Recently there was the haunted gm_construct with tons of features and creepy shit which became a total hit, by itself had more players than S&Box will ever have>>737905154Retard you can very easily download a fucking mod that allows you to akimbo two guns of each type, in fact there are probably variousAlso nobody will use mod support because nobody gives a fuck about a shitty game engine that nobody wanted>>737906824>random assumptions or are not related at all to what is plannedValve could plan to make a HL3 that's actually a golfing game where you play as Advisor Breen on Xen and guess what, nobody would play it and it would get tons of fucking hate for not being what people want>it requires extensive legal agreements that can be tricky to get done, especially when they are already pushing the limits to get what they have so farThey already have the HLA engine and agreements done, you're fucking crazy if you think they need anything elseThe biggest hurdle is publishing games on Steam and guess what? Literally NOBODY except fucking scammers cares about officially publishing games, most people stick with the workshop because it's a perfect system and a few retards use websites
>>737906617but it isn't 2 repeating lettershttps://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Light>Custom Appearance (pattern) <string>>A string of english letters, like a sequence of piano keys, that define a pattern of brightness. a is 0%, m is 100%, and z is 200%. Updates at 10 Hz.>>737907102garry created "the play fund" just so there isn't any microtransactions in games. i don't know if he forbids devs from implementing them, but like, he didn't like how it works in roblox and didn't want to repeat it.
behold the biggest game on S&boxMOW THE LAWN
>>737908490>literally another roblox game
>>737908778players yearn for the slop
>>737908490This was the first game I played in S&box, it was also the only gamemode that didn't disconnect, close or crash 2 minutes into it.
>>737908490looking like pure garbage
>>737895035>>737891208Yeah why is it called sampersandbox?
>>737906645bold of garry to assume people will play this garbage for that long.
>>737906927>shilled for five years FOR FREEkek
So, this is the new DREAMS?
>>737892546So another dev decides to fuck up their game and fuck up making money just to attack their customers. Wew so be it. Dude going to end up homeless too following the "get rich quick" scheme Larry the lobster imposed on devs.
>>737910929Durgasoft at least is not selling NFTsGarry is cooked lmao
>>737908490>Valve Drones forcing themselves to play this slopI bet there even are on discord "sharing" this gaming experience faking having fun lol
>>737906645>We are embracing the Indian Scam Model2 more years!
>>737910929fuck no. it's nft-ai-verse sloppa
>>737891208>close down facepunch forums>lose 99% of your player basegarry is a finacial genius
>>737891208Something kind of mildly annoying is s&box wouldn't come up when I tried searching for it on Steam, only games with Sandbox in the title. Maybe it's just something on my end and it works fine for other people, but I had to google it to get to the Steam page because I wanted to read their latest post.
>>737905154>because source only allows you to carry one of every weapon class type.How retarded do you have to be to claim this?
>>737911168>Valve Drones
>>737896404SARR WE ARE VERY NEEDFUL PASSION SAAR
>>737892546That implies anyone would actually bother to work on the lame enforced style versus porting in Source 2 models from HL:A.
I just wanted to goof around in gm_construct with half life alyx and cs2 models why did he have to fuck it up?
>>737891208Who is Garry anyway?
>>737912003if they changed it past 2017 when i stopped coding for gmod, you might be right. but it was a genuine issue for me
>>737912105Garry need his stupid middle man position turn key business where everyone else makes him a billion dollars RIGHT NOW.
>>737911905Garry told Valve to make it unlisted for a soft release
>>737912135It's literally never been the case for the base player controller in Source.Even in Gmod.The default inventory has a series of categories for "classes" of weapons and Half Life is literally KNOWN for having a variety of the same class of weapon you hold all at the same time.You're completely talking out of your ass.Even the fucking weird implementation in it in Steam Home has the entire selection of items in the tool wheel in the same inventory slot.
>>737912196You sure? I thought he just didn't want it on the front page of Steam. I presumed the & was tripping the search up.
>>737912289if you give two weapon_shotgun to the player, they're only going to pick up one of them
>>737912359>If you give the same weapon_shotgun item to the player twice you give two of the same item
>>737912454yes, i want to be able to have two identical shotguns in my inventory with their own bullet states separate of eachother
>>737911874The forums were fucked and taken over by troons well before the shutdown.
>>737911905bravo garry
>>737911874he only got his discord server to suck his dick lmao
>>737912515Then index them sequentially and have them pull from the shotgun ammo pool or replace the inventory system in the player controller you incompetent fuck.
>>737912645the weapon ammo system was even worse to work with in gmod.nah, i moved onto s&box and have implemented everything i was unable to in gmod
>>737912694>I'm too stupid to write an inventory system in lua but I can TOTALLY do it in S&box and it is only possible there.
>>737912524the mods were too ban happy on normal users and allowed reddit tier takeover almostlike all those leftsist hell holes they self destruct, neogaf perfect example
>>737912842i did write an inventory system in s&box c#, yes. lua fucking sucks in comparison, metatable classes are a hack
>>737897714Because he wants to be THE one to bridge the gap between all of those
>>737897026can you please catbox that? or link it? i lost my copy when my pc got wiped, and it got nuked from youtube
>>737892546Wait you're that desperate for becoming the next roblox but you're not willing to do the very thing people came over to roblox for?
About the AI thumbnail issue, why don't people use royalty free stock images anymore? If AI thumbnails are turning people off, can't Garry just suggest non-designers use that instead? It's not much different from using a marketplace asset. I know lots of stock images are AI now, but you can just add before:2020 to your google search. It's still lazy sure, but is it just as bad as using AI?I just realized, why don't people just use screenshots of their games for their thumbnails if they're that desperate and have no design skills? How is that not even easier and faster than le proooompt engineering the perfect AI thumbnail?
>>737913368because it's more effort finding an image editor program/website and slapping together images than typing two sentences in an ai image generator. they obviously don't give a shit about quality
>>737913368>why don't people just use screenshots of their games for their thumbnails if they're that desperate and have no design skills?Because that gives away how shit the game is, they want you to waste time on it first
>>737913368>About the AI thumbnail issueIts not an issue. Its something Garry made up to change the goalpost
>>737908490Reminds me of a quote I heard somewhere.>A dumpsterfire can be fun, but once you grab the extinguisher and put it out, it's just regular garbageAfter so many years of checking in to see "...Yep, it's still shit," there isn't much to say. It's another Concord-like, but we all knew it was going to be this way.
>its 2026 and people are STILL releasing amazing addons and mods for GmodFuck S&box literally, biggest waste of $20 of my fucking life. I'll never quit Gmod, the fun is literally endless.
>>737913543stop that
>>737913368I don't get why they haven't added the same AI disclosure section steam has
>>737913710You're a big boy.I'm sure you can figure out why Garry doesn't want to force disclosure on it.
This is one of the only well-made Play2Earn engines with a real chance of becoming a metaverse and all people can do is shit on it? Time in the market beats timing the market. It’s not too late to become an early adopter, just think about where this moon mission is heading.
>>737913808>metaverseno one but marketers and shills use this term, and if you're neither, you're an out of touch retard. either way, fuck off and die
AI debate is literally farmers complaining about the invention of tractors. Refuse to use them, and you'll become poor and won't be able to provide for most of society without it. Use it, and you'll actually join the rest of the developing world.
>>737913856this but avoid using art-related ai for some time until it actually looks good, for code it's already great as a productivity tool
>>737913856For your example to be remotely adequate there'd have to be a massive food shortage because the tractors don't actually work and only have the appearance of working to people that don't know what they're doing.
>>737913856Jeets talking about the "developed world" cracks me up, your way of life is not something to aspire to
>>737913592>tfw could play as nemesis on gm_bigcty but new sausage man cosmetics just droppedDamn this is a tough choice
Garry status?
>>737913368I feel like this is missing the point and buying into Garry's bullshit. AI thumbnails is a distraction from the fact the content of the games is still bad roblox dopamine addict slop. The post mortem made it sound like talented developers were having their amazing s&box games misjudged unfairly over the thumbnails alone, when they're all idle engagement farms and gambling simulators. Even if they had non-AI thumbnails there's still an issue.
>>737914325Both problems are intrinsically linked
shitposting aside, is this game worth getting as someone who enjoyed alot of old school gmod back in the day? the stupid gamemodes like the cod zombies ripoff look kinda comfy to play.
>>737913856>if you don't use ai slop you'll become poor and won't be able to provide for society and won't be able to join the developing worldI don't know how it's possible but aibros / jeets are more delusional than any other group online, this is like a tranny telling you that if you don't call them a woman you aren't welcome in "their" world. I hope you are trolling or just some seething jeet due to the ai bubble popping
>>737914371Absolutely not, anything worth playing can/would be already done in gmod if you already have it.
>>737908490
>game still lags at the recommended specswhy
>>737914371no because the soul of gmod was based on the soul of valve games. if gmod launched without any of valve's assets and was just a source engine playground, nobody would care. that's what s&box is. the 'community' consists of nothing but AIsaars and cryptojeets looking to flip a profit because the game offers monetization through skins/playtime. already there have been incidents of 'creators' review-bombing and botting games to try and manipulate the payout system. there is nothing creative to be found here, you're better off digging through roblox game discovery if you want to find ripoff games.
>>737900820holy shit i haven't thought about trainbuild in like well over half a decade, i think those servers were what first made me weary of trannies so long ago
>>737914371Anything gmod-like in s&box is already available in gmod, and gmod has more freedom and customization
everyone here is only nitpicking the AI usage but overlook the actual good games that are already released
>>737891208this would be an obscenely big launch if it had been free + on iphone/androidyou don't take roblox marketshare by making it a high end PC-only game with a $20 pricetag
Everyone's talking about optimization, ease of coding, the quality of user-made games yada yada but how is the actual Sandbox gamemode? I haven't kept up with the game cause I honestly forgot it was coming out but I notice there's no Steam Workshop. There's gotta be some in-game equivalent for downloading random mods, right? Wanna get my friends together and shoot them with rockets, run over each other in sports cars, and build stupid shit while playing on the gas station map. You guys know the deal. I hear Murder and and TTT are also base gamemodes again?>>737915080I love gmod and have over 1k hours but it's old as dirt at this point. Everything takes forever to load and it lags like hell even on a modern PC
>>737891208uncblox
>>737899801the ONLY redeeming factor of s&box is the engine/tooling.sadly it won't be enough to overcome the massively tone deaf strategy
>>737915796Basic reasoning and the insistence people have with informing you that it isn't the point should tell you the base sandbox mode sucks donkey boners.
>>737905125garry snowflake newman decided that no web development toolkit was good enough for him, so he made his own.
>>737915796>Everything takes forever to load and it lags like hell even on a modern PCNow imagine experiencing this after paying $20 for the privilegeAnd no s&box barely has any of that in its sandbox mode. There's also no private friends-only servers
>>737915796yep, you can do that. not much content for sandbox yet though
>>737916039/v/'s anti-indie boner is so strong you guys are just making shit up to bash this game before giving it a chance.
>>737916131>Anti-indie bonerYou can't even make this claim based off the retarded shit people running this site get up to, like the current paid marketing thread in the catalog and the>Please magically make this game retroactively unpopularThread
the point of garrys mod is I get to be fucking solid snake, smoking a cig pulling out a prop and sending it hurtling straight into my friends head and watch as a skeleton with its head on fire falls over. Not whatever the fuck this artstyle is
>>737911168Are these valve drones in the room with you right now
>>737900820>Change the potato models to HL2 models. This is part of your brand and it must stay.That's literally already in there as an option by default, with all the clothes stuff compatible across both the potato and HL2 style realistic models. You're also able to use custom avatars in addition to all of those.
>>737915796You would need to code all that yourself and create your own game or wait for someone else to make it. There's no fun to be had in this litterbox on your own.
If they're allowing AI usage out of the goodness of their hearts because devs can't always afford stuff, why is the engine $20
>>737916665what's the point of lying
>>737900476The Roblox avatar are both simple and anatomically... Open to interpretation. You can shove some extra polygons arround and make something vaguely femenine that does look vaguely femenine enoughYou can't make the sausages hot, they look inteintonally ugly and fleshy
>>737893173By definition I think paid modes are hypocritical, BUT I have no actual issue with like, the idea of a mod developer running a patreon or asking for donationsI think they should get some money out of the work, but their work should never be hidden behind a paywall
>>737916909Donations imo are the best form of monetization in my opinion.Unfortunately most sites heavily penalize you if you don't paywall shit.
>>737896404>Asking people to pay for worse roblox>Same payin players are EXPECTED to tolerate AI games>You're supposed to pay for AI made experiences lmaokek
>>737903128>all the cosmetics items also work both on themwhen i played 2 weeks ago barely any of them worked
>>737916842
>>737916738They never said that? They allow AI because they have the doomer cuck accelerationist mindset that its tentacles are already in everything and resistance is futile so you may as well embrace it.
>>737892546If people can make fappable porn of rabbids they can do it for the sausage people. 0/10 excuse
Janny crashing out
>>737917081Nobody would be deranged enough to try
>>737917236
>>737917051trailer park goth girl vibes
>>737917051>>737917310she looks like she lives on a diet of red bull and flaming hot cheetos
>>737917051>>737917310these would be 30% better with just some fucking eyebrows
>>737917051Anon come on we both know that's not even hotThe ideal "low spec" avatars for a game like this is a roblox like body made of tweakable primitives alongside a Mii styled 2D face that can be customized all inside of the game
Some things like garry's mod are created almost accidentally by people at a specific time and that leads to the incorrect assumption that they can do it again.I used to wonder how creatives could have such horrible taste and make decisions so removed from what I thought their original intent was; it was only by momentary providence they created the thing that I enjoyed.
>>737896383>-120k in game refundsHoly shit. That's 10% of game sales. Is that normal or is that high for Game devs?
>>737917440>it was only by momentary providence they created the thing that I enjoyedthat's the true soul of artevery masterpiece is an accident
>>737916421you missed the point and you're a stupid nigger garry. please never ever change your behavior so this product fails, thanks.
>>737916738Allowing some broke twenty year old kid to take his moonshot and make his dream game come true, using AI tools because he can't afford to hire a team. That's what this is all about. Good for Garry offering him the tools for $20 in a world where most tools are charging massive monthly fees with a software as a service model or how unity was charging per install. Good for Garry standing up to the mob and torches here to burn his dreams down. Facepunch is the best dev team by every metric in the scene right now, they only get better over time.
>>737917380there are eyebrows, too bad those chokers aren't in game yet
>>737917490very normal
>>737917505I can't tell if this post is parody or nothelpHELP
>>737917440Reminds me of Subnautica
>>737917505>twenty year old kid
>>737916786Wouldn't know. What's it like navigating the bloatmenu? Any good gas station maps anon?
>>737917505i will NEVER understand this aifag angle of "it makes the impossible possible for the little guy!" nigger people have been solodevving for decades. cave story was one guy. undertale was one guy. this is a massive fucking cope. and no, no singular dev is going to make the next world of warcraft by themselves.
>>737917505Good Morning Sar!
>>737917610if you're not paying your own utility bill you're still a kid
>>737917505You know I never could've predicted Garry Newman and indians teaming up. 2026 is weird.
>>737917629i haven't checked all the maps, if you want specifically a gas station i don't know, there's a couple
The whole paying people for gamemodes if they garner enough players combined with monetized skins is a recipe for disaster.
>>737917817People should be grateful they only needed to spend $20 to mow virtual lawns, anon.
>>737917505>offering him the tools for $20 in a world where most tools are charging massive monthly fees with a software as a service model or how unity was charging per installwhat in the judaism how is charging less than others when you can charge nothing an act of generosity
this is worse thsn NFT games
>>737917817Doesnt this just make people want to "dev" games that cause addiction, or pad out content with terrible controls or grind? Why exactly would anyone willingly want to play that slop. What makes this different from fucking Roblox?
>>737917861Garry has to eat dude
>>737917505>>737917861>in a world where everyone else kicks you in the balls it is charity to merely put lit cigarettes out on your thighs
These types of games will never be fun on the nu-internet. Everything fun is banned. It needs to be nice and kid friendly. Streamer friendly. Fucking soulless slop.
>>737917407I'm mean, I've jerked off to worse before
>>737913190here, frenhttps://litter.catbox.moe/ik44jvcl99agu86e.mp4
>>737891208Garry absolutely deserves this hate.>"I AM NOT FAMOUS CAUSE OF VALVE I AM A GAME DESIGN GENIUS- WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DONT LIKE MY FUCKING BEAN MOUTH SHIT?!"He's a fucking retard who is constantly coping about people hating his shit by pulling the "well I GUESS people don't like it..." or "we actually thought it'd do a lot worse!" He should have done the exact same thing he did with Gmod but for Source 2, but instead he decided that he had to put his "flair" on things.It really sucks too. S&Box could have been something great. Oh well.
What are the chances we get Sven Co-op in S&box?
>>737891208isn't this by that fag who owns the facepunch forums?lolget dunked on, queer
Genuinely why is Garry against AI filters?
>>737891208>Remember when this was a free source modWatching some of the best half life mods and source mods being turned into cash grabs that end up with little to no players or dedicated autists has been a ride.
>>737918159
post yfw they shut down gmod permanently to spite people shitting on s&box
>>737918085you can mount it but that's all I've tried so far
>>737918397are you on linux
>give the game a soft release because it's early days so there's not much besides slop to play>growth stagnates so less people joining and making games to drown out the slop
>>737918438yeah
is this really what a decade of development looks like?
>>737917936>What makes this different from fucking Roblox?It costs 20 bucks and requires a decent rig to run which immediately disqualifies the audience that would actually play slop like that. Sbox quite literally appeals to no one
>>737917936>Doesnt this just make people want to "dev" games that cause addiction, or pad out content with terrible controls or grind?Yeah, that's a part of what killed Steam Greenlight. You had devs like Digital Homicide manipulating the system and then once their shitty asset flips were on Steam they started flooding the review sections with sock puppet accounts giving the games positive reviews that claimed people could earn money by playing the games and selling the trading cards they got from them. Shit's a recipe for disaster when there's no QA control involved and I doubt Gary's bright enough to do anything to stem the flow of blatant cash grabs. Shit, the S& workshop is already filled with flappy bird and cookie clicker clones as well as games that I have no clue what the fuck they're even supposed to be because they've got no screenshots, descriptions, vague titles, and AI generated thumbnails that tell you nothing about them.
>>737917051If you give them tits and some curvs on the hips with big southern hair styles they would be breedable. Decades of jacking off to fart porn made me appreciate the butterface. Check mate Gary.
>Sam, who works on graphics and shaders, routinely splits people in to categories of "good" and "evil". On Twitter, Sam has celebrated Donald Trump's invasion of Caracas. Sam regularly praises Donald Trump and Elon Musk, despite the terrible things they can be demonstrated to have done, and continue to do. As a queer, autistic, disabled person, I find all of this this intolerable.S&BOX IS BASED? BROS WE WERE WRONG TO DOUBT GARRY
>>737918439Garry's waiting for someone to make a clone of something else that's popular so they can point to it and say ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE>>737918537It appeals to vibe coder youtubers looking to grift kids
>>737918704wow, ill now let garry step on me and let him keep the sausage models
>>737891208>>737891537garry was a fag back in fp days not surprised he still is
>>737918704Guys we need to meme the sausage people as new 4chan icons like Amelia. Who's with me?
>>737918923do sausage lives matter????
>>737918704I don't get Garry. He's clearly chill enough to not fire anyone over shit like that, but he still virtue signals about hating nazis as if he wants the crowd who'll command him to fire people they disagree with.
>>737919028garry is stupid that's literally it
>>737919028Gee I wonder why a greedy spineless retard who wants everyone's money would play both sides
>>737891208Some of the dumbest shit ever wrought by human hands is currently sitting at "overwhelmingly positive" on Steam right now.Quit letting this shit influence your personal decisions.
>>737918923>>737919012>shit, nobody's fapping to them! time for plan B!Garry pls
What’s with all the hate? You’d think people would be excited about being able to play and earn in a digital ecosystem.
>>737918357I don't think that's even possibleAt most they could shut down the default master server that gives you the server list, but then people would just create a community master server
>>737919894master server is via valve so not even that
>>737919498As much as I think half the dumb posts in this thread are just trolling, I'm not too excited for the narrative shifting to "criticizing s&box means you're a reddit tranny" just because reddit trannies are bringing attention to the wrong things.
>Look up steam chart for the S&box>it's peak was 20 days before launch with about twice as many players as the peak at launch.Woah. I hope Garry get's fired.
>>737920163they were idling bots to get the game for free, all gone when keys were revoked
lmao
Which games faced injustice over the AI thumbnails? I want to play the creative hard work they put out.
>>737920597try these games
>>737906645Why is he even selling it as a game if he's just gonna make it free 2 years from now?The fuck is Facepunch/Garry smoking?
>>737891208The first bite is with the eye, and brother I don't like the taste when I look at those default models.>>737892546I shouldn't believe random /v/ posts but I cannot fathom any reason at all that anyone would stick with those models with my own brain power so fuck it why not
>you're harboring a community of chudsWhat?Now I'm confused over what is being criticized sometimes. Or what that term even means.
>>737921260People freaked out on the forums that a couple of the s&box devs support Trump and ICE and the community tells wokies to fuck off
Garry looks at S&box with 300 players that are all AI bots and people trying to NFT farm and smiles, this is exactly what he spent the past 7 years of his life to achieve.
>>737921408Proof? I thought it's because wokefags associate chuds with crypto/NFT/AI/techbros even when that's not the case.
>pay $20>to sit in any number of slave labour simulator roblox game where the main "gameplay loop" is begging you to spend money to make the game end faster so you can do something elseThis is all Roblox is, and its all s&box will be too.The fact that they didn't prebake at least 5-10 high quality games that show off the true strength of the engine for launch tells us all we need to know. Why anyone would willingly spend their dev time and entire sense of self respect to make a roblox clone that is guaranteed to fail is beyond me.Roblox players have phones that run the game at 15fps, they beg their parents to buy robux that they waste on "admin rights" (cheats) in counterfeit versions of games they already have 1000 hours of grinding in. They spend robux on number boosts in games where you literally cannot gain an advantage for the boosts. Roblox is invincible because its just unregulated child mental abuse, you can't defeat that.The lucky kids get molested in Roblox, because they actually get to fucking learn something.
britoids have no idea what they're doing ever
>>737903128I put on one of the cosmetics and it forced my model to the black guy, and the balclava clips horribly, why are you lying?
>>737895616I don't imagine he cares. It sounds like he made what he wanted to.
>>737891208Great game engine. Child of two of the greatest people in the gaming industry: Garry & Gabe
>you now realize very soon Garry will release the AI slop infesting S&box onto the general steam marketplacewe need to stop him now
>>737921753>britoids have no idea what they're doing everGTA V sold nearly a quarter billion copies
>>737892546>let's ruin the game to make sure those porn making freaks don't use it!nose, face spited.
>>737915691Source 2 was supposed to be released free. They announced it when they announced the steam VR shit. It got memory holed and Garry shat this out for $20 trying to get the roblox market for some fucking reason.
>>737891208Seems like half the issue is people were expecting Garry's Mod 2 but got some undercooked roblox creator. Might as well use Godot.
>>737922160>brits are into usa ghetto culturethis is not something to be proud of
>>737922276>advertise it as the successor to Gmod>it isnt
So are there addons or what
>>737922276>Seems like half the issue is people were expecting Garry's Mod 2Yup>>737922367They have to be put into the gamemode first. You can't download spiderman webs and fuck around in gm_bigcity2 and make your own fun like you can in gmod.
>>737922363Yeah exactly. I tried using it for making a game and it is underbaked. It takes years of use to get stuff like this off the ground and i doubt it will be worth using for like 4 more years.
>>737922363I miss when /v/ would make funny content like this instead of just jaks and frogs
roblox and fortnite got a bunch of aislop games, how is s&box any different?
I was hoping Garry was going to be smart enough to push the roblox shit into the background and make better versions of the original game modes of Gmod and it being front and center. I was annoyed he never listened on the sausage people but thats the least he could have done.But it turned out just as bad as i had feared.
>>737891208>using a client authoritative model for multiplayer games in 2026>and if you want it to be server side you have to code it yourselfI WILL BECOME BACK MY MONEY
>>737922663i didnt pay $20 to look at aislop with those other games
>>737891208I already knew that the fag was a narcist but holy shit is this game a perfect showcase of everything wrong with modern gaming>unironically steam marketplace cosmetics that cost>Fucking login dailies>Microtransaction left and rightYeah hope it burns and dies
>>737922663>how is s&box any different?Garry is going to get Raped by Valve
>>737922730Usually Valve is lenient on giving people refunds even if you're over 2 hours. How've they been with this game considering it's partly theirs?
Its gonna flop solely because the mr meaty ahh models have no avra or sovl
>>737922869It is absolutely not "theirs" nor even "partly", the Source 2 engine you get access to has been fucked nearly beyond recognition by the Facepunch troons. Garry deserves an arse spankin from Gayben for this disaster of a launch.
I've been waiting 11 years to get the source 2 sdk to start making my game, I can wait for another 11 years no problem. I'm good at waiting and you guys are going to love it when I finally make it, but I shan't be using sh@rtbox.
>Our current mixed review status (44%) wasn't unexpected. It's the reason we didn't want a frontpage takeover or any other push from Valve, because we wanted people to find this organically - not have it sold to them.>heh... we knew this would happen
>>737922663Roblox and Fortnite are free to play
How did this Greedy Retard even convince Valve to have access to Source2?Like, wtf
>>737923617>pcbro thinks Valve is their friendlol. they sell out to anyone if it makes them money. This is how they get ai slop money and NFTs without directly connecting themselves to it
>Heh, since I gave Source 2 to Garry, they can’t blame me for not releasing the full SDK, and gamers still see me as their savior.
>>737923734But why they didnt give the NFT slop machine to a less retard bastard? One without an perverted obsession with Sausage Men?
>>737923825Brand recognition and loyalty. Everyone knows GMOD and something calling it the successor is going to be more popular than some random game.
>>737892546Point and Laugh at Garry everyone
>>737892546Zero proof but I 100% believe this given how much of a cunt Garry was with gmod
>>737923440>heh... we knew this would happenThey knew it because they were constantly being badgered about not going in the right direction.I think Garry is counting on the fact that they licensed out source 2 code is going to be big eventually. Maybe big.
>>737922775Slop exists as a genre now. This is meant to be an engine to make all sorts of games. You will see slop everywhere if its a platform to create anything gaming related. This is the biggest nothingburger complaint. Good stuff will come with time and I'm sure all the great things will be filtered from the bad.
>>737924216Two more weeks. Trust the plan.
>>737899915That is grammatically correct English, you mongoloid
>>737895051The butthurt this woman created is legendaryI genuinely think they didn't know that onion powder and garlic powder are made from onion and garlic, when "ypipo don seezun dey food like us tho" is one of their only points of pride
>>737924216>With Time A nice Store will open in the middle of the Indian/Pakistani warzone Ghetto
>>737924305QRD? Or at least a link to the video
>>737906927You should had been shilling to himTo not do the things he did
>>737917310cobes my beloved.......
unreal engine lost
>>737892317I was playing TTT on s&box and me and everyone else pretty much agreed that it was just a barebones, worse version of Gmod TTT. how could you not work with devs to create a real sequel to TTT? why are there no "flagship" modes that aren't complete garbage? most of the games are terrible, how do they expect anyone to build games when there's 0 playerbase to play them?
>>737924305>look it up>its just middle aged women feuding over stupid bullshitDo you have something to tell us?
>>737924483Deadlock uses deferred rendering with FXAA/FSR/DLSS anti-alising.
>>737924496does it have DarkRP yet? did you play it?If they can't even get TTT right i don't have much hope for the other.
>>737924496No, you see the traders sell fomo hats and use the proceeds to hire vibecoders and youtube shills to get children away from roblox to play their incrementing number games on their platform instead or something.
>>737892546well, tell garry it workedcause no one wants to make any game with them
>>737924718it does have an RP mode, but it is probably garbo
>>737924718yes there is darkrp, no I haven't played it as I'm not 13 years old anymore. i dont think i would find it fun. and I think the problem is there is no "they" to get TTT right. It doesn't feel like facepunch even attempted to lock down a few solid gamemodes, it's just someone who decided to port TTT to the game
>>737893173make a standalone game if you want moneymods are already covered by paying for the base game
>>737919328Weird cope but ok
>make Gmod>But this time we don't really court devs, and we're actively trying to exploit the playerbaseSo what is supposed to compel me to play this?
>>737925370you get to play kino games like these
So do western game devs just really don't know how to make attractive or just good looking character models anymore? Like at all? Who the fuck even started this annoying looking sausage character trend? I remember Love Death +Robots had similar looking shit but surely it wasn't that?
>>737924216Slop was always a genre, it was called shovelware. If every platform adopted Garry's way of thinking, Newgrounds, Kongregate and Armor Games would currently be full of dress up Elsa Frozen brain surgery feet licking games shat out by jeets and chinks like most online spaces are. Except at least even slop-ridden sites like Y8 usually have actual good games on them so user curation would make sense in theory. s&box expects users to fully curate the platform but all they can curate is the slop that puts potential developers off and therefore nips anything higher quality competing in the bud. It doesn't help that anyone who actually was working on higher quality games in s&box lost access to the engine because they weren't supplementing the front page with random diarrhea, leaving only the vibe coders to fill the s&box library as they can outpace any real dev. 2+ years of dev early access and all they have to show for themselves are fucking roblox clones. How humiliating.
best way to play steal my brainrot no cap
>>737924948>as I'm not 13 years old anymoreThe concept never stops being fun. But i appreciated standalone games like Aneurism IV that tried to best the idea of DarkRP far more than gmods old version. No power tripping fagmins ruining the fun. That is ultimately always what kills the darkRP experience at the end of the day.Admins being anti fun and making sure you stick to all of their rules. Except Aneurism IV had troubles keeping a playerbase.
>>737891208>remaster classic sandbox game>dont keep any of the original jank and soulWHY EVEN BOTHER
>>737924347She made cooking videos in Instagram and in every video there were negro women saying "add sum Lawrys to dat unseasoned wypepo food" and she went ballistic.
>>737897629>demand money for game>receive game>"wtf is this? i paid for it">haha suckers
>all these paid roblox bots doing damage control
>>737925780Damage control how? It's being compared to roblox because roblox games are shit, slop and predatory.
>>737917051>mod of /r/trans
>>737917505GIMP is free, and will always be free
>>737913856Yeah, that's going to be a no from me Mr. Hindu... Sorry! I don't like crap you never bothered to work on! Them's the breaks jeet.
>Facepunch hate leftoidsBought the game immediately. Seethe troons.
>>737918326>AI going to take over>refuse all quality control>"just accept it"good work garry
>>737925556Speaking of that game I'm really mad Vellocet managed to kill the entire playerbase.We finally had a competent replacement for garrys mod on that specific mode. Whilst it had issues it was the thing that would have revived the good version of online roleplay games. Not the shit GTA versions. Not only that but it had a unique identity. Now you have 60 players max on one chroma server bin AIV. I hope they can revive it so we've got numerous full servers again but i don't think it's ever gonna happen. Yet Gmod DarkRP is filled with full servers. Why is that people prefer the shitty fagmin babysitting version of roleplay? probably because theres too many people sensitive to being griefed. But even AIV has its own admin baby sitting server with chroma.
>>737926243that's a facepunch staff but they all think similar to garry desu
>>737926495>I thought they were going to be negativeFrankly I don't think 51% positive should count as mixed, I know it's not technically "Mostly negative" but it should be cause for alarm
>>737926495I genuinely want to punch these people
>>737891208
>roblox kids won't play because it's $20>gmod players won't play because there's no mods or sandbox mode>casual gamers won't play because it's a pc exclusive game>hardcore gamers won't play because the ties to valve games are gone and roblox tier experiences have no appeal to themwho is this for?
AI was supposed to save gaming, yet all of it is slop... literally no one could have predicted this...
>>737926689If Garry put in the work and called it GarrysMod2 and had everyone port all the favorites like darkrp, ttt, deathrun, prophunt, and garryware, it'd sell like hotcakes, but no, we get Sampersandbox
>>737925484>Skibiddy gas stationWoag
>>737926624Mixed is already cause for alarm. Most games are at least in the blue and I don't think most buyers even really know the difference between Mostly, Very and Overwhelmingly. Anything other than blue is what makes people raise an eyebrow.
>>737892546You can make a non-sexual avatar that still has some basic appeal, classic Roblox for an example. Not to mention, f he's letting people sell custom custom avatar clothes and parts, it probably means it's going to go down the same route as Roblox where people will rebuild them to be sexy anyway. That aside, if he's going to allow users to build and export games in sandbox, including their own custom assets, of fucking course someone is going to make porn in it and you can't stop people from doing whatever they want with artistic tools.
>>737926775That's true, but I still think if you're at like 55% or below it should be NEGATIVE.
why does s&box runs LIKE dogshit and on gamemodes like ttt it takes like 20 years to load? what the fuck, i used to have that problem when i had an intel pentium 4 playing garrys mod, but not anymore man, this is so fucked up
>>737919328sorry garry, still not buying not-roblox
>>737892546Have you guys been on the internet? Seriously people will make porn games if the avatars were fucking fire hydrants. They're going to do it anyways.
>>737926689>who is this forPeople like this I guess>>737913808>>737919614
i have been playing roblox since 2008, its the same shit... but worse, jesus christ, runs like shit, the only game i enjoyed so far is one where you mow shit, incredible
>play flood>spend the prep time wielding steel grates together>dump it on someones boat with 2 seconds left>the weight holds the boat down
>>737924528yo don't season yo food
>>737892546have you EVER heard the phrase "sex sells"? because with this you have guaranteed this won't sell
>>737892546I assumed the sausage people is that he didn't want Valve taking royalties again. Not much to do with the porn games.That has to be an excuse since it ignores time and time again for what everyone was really asking for in the community. It bothered him that he never got all of the money he could have made if not touching Valve assets. And obviously his own sort of trademark sort of branding design which just sucks and makes you think of kids game when you look at it. I don't trust throwaway comments like this on /v/.
>>737927208i miss welding 15 crates inside of each other and having it spasm around the map and take people out in gmod floodwhy did garrys mod turn into nothing but roleplay with 0 players in flood or fortwars or stalker or minigame servers?
>>737900824Not yet. Performance is too shit for anything average consumer would consider a *real* game worthy of a price tag.>can I make prophuntYou could try and make prophunt style mini-games but expect issues with performance.>can I make peakI don't see this being possible with current state.>can I make fifasee above>can I make bf7see above>can I make battlebitsee above>can I make snake 2yes>can I make snake 3most likely noPerformance issues can't be overstated. It's unclear what the future optimization would look like as cutting back is assumed to not be an option.
>>737925780you are gay, garryso is roblox
>>737926495I know it's not actually garrybut you don't work for facepunch if garry doesn't approve of you personally, so they are in a way, all garry
Roblox is probably a grooming platform run by the government
>>737926775The rating is interesting because it basically is excluding everyone who got it from tge Beta period and is only showing the people who paid $20 for it. Check the filters at the bottom, the listed quantity on the main steam page is equal to those that bought it on steam and there's like 2000+ from "other sources" that aren't counted unless you go to Steamcharts or something similar.
>>737924347WERE DA LAWRYS SEASONED SOAP?
>>737927843Yeah. Only direct purchases on Steam get counted in the review score because of issues with devs giving away free keys for good reviews in the past. That's just how Steam works. Setting the filter to All still leaves the reviews at Mixed and setting it to non-Steam purchases puts it at Very Positive. You don't need to go outside Steam for that.
>>737925628And? Instagram and social media in general is a hive of salty faggots getting mad over innocuous bullshit. I just saw an actual incel make a post about killing all women and having the FBI arrest him for his unhinged autism.I will never get why you dorks give a shit about the most effeminate drama 99.9999% of people never heard of or care about as if it's some big deal.
>>737918357Why is that beaver so fucking pfwat?
Garry was a fag back in gmod v6 - 9a days and ofc when it went on steam no suprise here
I guess the positives are that it's still using server browser. Too bad the actual modes had little effort put into them. Doing a successful launch would have looked like having all of the main staple modes in their most ideal state and having new perks in functionality compared to the original regarding having a more advanced engine like source 2 to work with. Then the player count would have skyrocketed. But if they are barebones imitations of Gmod modes then it simply looks look like a front for a roblox tool.
>>737926689Garry and his discord.
>>737895616>ACKK
>>737928195And then everyone clapped and you weren't an obese virgin anymore.
>>737928773More like:https://youtu.be/x3-4ue8Kv-w?si=le843ADlvlTQ0fnv&t=49
>playercount already halved after one dayepic
So when Gary said "bad AI slop games will fall and good games will rise" did he take into account the fact that there are zero good games and nothing but AI slop?
>>737922367The sandbox mode has addons, they are called entities but work almost the same as lua addons in GMOD, almost...The spawn menu works like how toybox did in GMOD 12, you don't subscribe to shit instead everything in the "workshop" is available and downloaded when you spawn it, you can also make and share spawnlists as a way to favorite stuff, and yes you have to spawn utility addons every time, it's retarded.Everything else (models/props, ragdolls, materials, sounds, maps) can be uploaded as shared assets for any game to use, sandbox lets you use these freely so you can spawn any model or apply any material, other games are obviously limited by what the dev adds or if they have a way for players to use custom assets.
They already made 1 million bucks profit from the release. Garry won. https://sbox.game/metrics/finance
67!!!
>>73793013867 67 67 67
>>737929749he's going to owe gabe at least 2 million after the lawsuit
>>737930208What lawsuit? Valve already got their cut of almost 600k dollars in April.
>>737930331he clearly owes gabe for making source 2 look like a steaming pile of dogshit
>>737929749>only a milly revenue for the de-facto Source 2 SDK and Gmod 2Garry better start choosing his next dumpster to live at
>>737926895People have been complaining about it for years and they still haven't bothered optimizing it lmao.
>>737930138Is this actual mtx?How could he ever allow this shit? nobody wanted a cash extracting scam. Its all of the same problems of roblox. But it's so anti garrys mod in nature that it's unbelievable that it went down like this.
>>737930138Ew.
>>737891208now there is vacancy for real gmod2whoever manages to make it best wins
>>737930138Thats literally a roblox standard asset holy shit you know its bad if sandjeets have to copy roblox of all things
>>737930595Yeah well good luck with that when Garry was the only one trusted with the Source 2 SDK
>>737906927peak humor
>>737917051oh fuck thats maisie williams, now i know why i find that sausage sorta hot
>>737928352Garry has been a faggot since forever. When he was a nobody he literally doxxed himself to a stalker so he could feel important to someone. He's always been bitter that content made in gmod and the creators behind it have always gotten more attention than gmod and himself. s&box is his vain attempt to prevent that from happening twice, and it'll work, because no one is going to play or use the fucking thing.
>>737930208lol retard.valve are well aware of what s&box is, they even allow people to sell standalone games made in s&box as of last month.https://sbox.game/news/update-26-03-25#standalone
>>737919028Money, bro
>>737898245>Archive now has tons of poorly posts>>737901096These things may only age poorly if Garry has no intent to do anything to address criticisms over the basic expectations most people who create stuff in the original gmod have and bring all of those people over. Otherwise if it does age poorly he'll be known as the person who nickle and dimed gmod players and sold a different vision. The point being that developers have made comebacks before and when it comes to games of this nature peoples perspectives will age poorly circumstantially until it's more in line with what they expected.There's still the chance for them to pull their heads out of their asses and get it to where it needed to be.Even if it's not working on the early access model. Granted that's how I'll be viewing it before i ever commit to buying it. Whats strange is that they stripped away a lot of functionality of older builds. So this piss poor state that it's at is sort of an artificially imposed handicap by.. incompetence i guess?
>>737892546I can believe thatso I'm guessing you can't import models like gmod can then?
>>737917505Hello braxen
>>737922160GTA V was a downgrade from IV and SA in many ways and it only appealed to brazilians and saars
>>737930648There is no Source 2 SDK, it didn't even exist when Gabe announced it 10 years ago.Garry was given full access to all of the Source 2 projects at valve, he took source code for Half-Life Alyx and turned it into s&box.I'm pretty sure he still has access since I think he talked about using something valve implemented in Counter-Strike 2.
>>737892546>disencourage
Why would they give a fuck if somebody made porn of their characters? Making the characters ugly sausage people and trying to sell cosmetics at the same time is fucking retarded
why are westoids worshiping ugliness?
>>737932207they hate eroticism
>>737932207>westoidsThird worlders shouldn't be able to use this website.
>>737928893Nice going going how much of an actual seethng woman you are, faggot. I'm totally offended by a "man" acting like he's on his period.
