I’ve never seen so many get so much wrong about a consumer electronic product before. Especially something as simple as a controller.>lizard mode can be set to 360 controller/xinput>same as it has been for 11 years now in steam input>native input on linux/steamos>of all the reviews, only one actually shows gripsense gyro>none of them show the deadzone and or trigger deadzone settings in steam input (I wanted to see the fidelity compared to og steam controller)>it’s a controller with a comprehensive configurator it’s not rocket science why are people acting like monkeys hitting a monolith
dont care
The controller apparently can't be used in Windows 11 without SDL or some other wrapper so the whole point of this thing being a competitive FPS device just plummeted.
>>737894846What I care about is can this be used without steam? I don't want to install that shit on my computer.
>>737895165then don’t use the steam controller if you don’t want to use steam. but you would use scsi to reprogram lizard mode whilst steam is closed
>>737895265If we go with that train of thought then should I not use my PS5 controller if I don't want to use it on a PS5? It's a bit stupid don't you think? I just want a good controller.
>>737895351>I just want a good controller.Then take something else, the steam controller is only needed for steam
>>737895090>can't be used in Windows 11and that's a good thing
>>737895542Damnit... did I say something incorrect again?
>>737895351if you want to play a switch, or xbox, or atari jaguar, then no you should not use a ps5 controller. if your contention is that pc is almighty and the only machine you will play games on, and for some reason you refuse to use steam because reasons, then no you should still not use a steam controller. but if you insist on this train of thought, again, use scsi to reprogram lizard mode.
I don't see why there's so much animosity towards those that want their Steam Controller to work as a controller (instead of a mouse & keyboard) out of the box when not connected to Steam. It's a pretty expensive controller so a bit of additional support would have only added to the appeal. We know that there'll be ways to make it work but it's not reasonable to require a non-Valve solution to a problem they could have addressed.
>LEAVE. GABEN. ALONE.
>>737896102Because the Internet is made up of Steam dickriders. It's why you'd think console gaming is dead when interacting in online spaces when in reality the sales data proves greatly otherwise. Lots of Pcbros trying to control the narrative on /v/ and reddit.
>>737895571>win 11I would not support it too.
>>737896482It's a really nifty controller that I really want to buy but man, the lack of proper non-Steam support is really pushing me away from it.
>>737894846the people shitting themselves over the non-x-input shit makes me hopeful ill be able to buy it and not have to wait 3 shipment waves like i had to for the steamdeck.
Don't care, gonna grab it for cheap once everyone starts reselling it
>>737898808You will still have to use Steam to use it.
s&box
>>737899115i would expect as much with something called "the steam controller". this will be for my pc i have hooked up to a tv in m living room. steam auto launches on that pc anyways.
>>737896102Because Xinput was never a good API. It was only ever implemented because the 360 controller was cheap, it deliberately broke when used with Directinput (buttons are shuffled around, triggers share an axis) and post-recession console ports started directly porting the 360 version with no support for any other inputs. The Steam Controller is not at fault for many games having lacking controller support that needs an Xinput wrapper.lIf you're buying a Steam Controller, then the obvious intended audience is either Steam users or people who are willing to use other tools to get it to work (it will likely work on Linux just fine without Steam, same as the OG), not people who are willing to accept compromised functionality in exchange for an Xinput mode.>>737899115Only on Wangblows.
>>737896102Valve shilling.You'd have to be a retard not to believe Valve uses bot farms and third worlders.Everyone that's made reviews have all mentioned how this is the biggest drawback, Valve is trying to downplay it because it's unanimously a big deal breaker. It'll be cheaper for this shilling campaign than for them to fix it.
>>737895090>so the whole point of this thing being a competitive FPS device just plummeted.I'm not sure why anyone would expect that to be the case on a platform where you can use a mouse and keyboard. I feel like I'm going crazy in general because the Steam controller just isn't super appealing if you're sitting your ass at your desk and you have a perfectly good keyboard and mouse right in front of you.
>>737900346I sit behind my desk and use a controller to play games. M+kb feels wrong outside of boomer shooters or RTS games.
>>737894846FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>737899551I wanted to buy the Steam controller. I have Steam, and I like Steam. But I'm not going to buy it because it doesn't work out of the box. It's really that simple. It's a $100 device. When I connect it, I want to play on my emulator without any hassle. Sucks, but it is what it is, I'll guess I'll keep using DS4 for the next 10 years.
>>737901018Pay 200 bucks for the "upgrade" when your controller starts failing brother
>just use the linux sirValve needs to learn to play nice with the other operating systems
>>737901098I'll just buy another DS4 controller.
>>737902552Ps controllers are too fucking small
>>737894846>lizard mode can be 360 thank fuck cuz i have games across like 4 storefronts so i need to have something that can work with all of emmaybe i should sell my dualsense....
>>737902552>i would rather spend 140 dollars for 2 controllers instead of 100 dollars for 1 controller that will last forever because i'm too lazy to add games as non-steam game
>>737900346Not every game is well suited to mouse and keyboard. Here's one where you *can* play it that way, but probably shouldn't. You are handicapping yourself if you do
>>737900346Try playing stuff like terraria with sticks instead of Kb+M and come back to me
>>737901018It’s a 1-minute “hassle” to open Steam and add an emulator. It’s a daily hassle to use an emulator with a controller that doesn’t have all the inputs I want.
>>737895090Are you seriously arguing it somehow WON'T work on steam??? On windows 11???
>>737901126yes, use linux, white man
>>737905997No no, you NEED Steam for it to work. Sources say it won't work without it.
>>737894846>lizard mode can be set to 360 controller/xinputsource? like I do believe they did this but I haven't seen any sources yet.
>>737906128Sorry, but no one uses linux except you, brown man.
so they're relying on community patches but the community won't get a cent from the controller sales. Hmm...
>>737906179And steam is a day one install for literally any gamer who isn't 80+. This isn't even a complaint.>>737906964And literally EVERY steam deck user
>>737895090Neither can the dualsenseThat's a Microsoft problem
>>737907126You mean like community control layouts?, guides?, discussion? Art?
>>737894846I honestly don't care, I just want a fucking Steam Frame already. What the fuck is taking so long
>>737907441There's a DS4tool AND a DS5tool.https://dualsensex.com/
>>737905301But I thought the dualsense is riddled with issues. The haptic triggers have a faulty design and the stick will wear itself out as well. They packaged a $200 controller into "you can replace the sticks" as a feature when it's a goy mill because the quality is poor.
>>737907630did you reply to the right person, i was shitting on the dual sense on my post.
>>737907693Oh you meant the Steam controller. I've read $200 instead of $100. But yes, I will buy a DS4 controller instead of Steam controller because Steam controller lacks a basic feature, correct. I want the controller, and I like Steam, as I've said. I would probably not even use it outside of Steam. But it's a principle, a hill to die on if you will however stupid it may seem to you.
>>737907401>And steam is a day one install for literally any gamer who isn't 80+.Sure but I emulate and I play GOG games too. I don't want to rely on Steam for my hardware purchase.
>>737907995That's a stupid hill to die on when you could add anything to steam and it'd work.What imaginary scenario are you thinking of where steam deck couldn't possibly work??
>>737908102See >>737908070
>>737908070Are you literally unaware you can add literally any program to steam and use steam input for it?>>737908268See >>737908102ANY PROGRAM you can add on steam as a "non steam game" and steam input works with. This includes emulators, gog games, google Chrome, adobe acrobat, obscure source ports, ect.You are essentially saying you are too lazy, or stupid, to make like 5 clicks to solve this "problem".
>>737907547Sorry anon, you made the point that it's unacceptable to use a translation layer or a wrapper with your controller, so you lost
>>737908415I don't want to add any program as a non Steam game. I don't want to have a hardware that is reliant on Steam. It's like "this washing machine needs to be updated on the internet before it works, but don't worry, the company has been on the market for 30 years and is trustworthy". Okay? I don't want that, fuck your washing machine.
>>737907547Why are you crying?It will take 2 weeks for some retard to create a program that does the exact same thing for the Steam Controller.People still don't have the controller and you're acting like Gaben himself locked the controller down to be EXCLUSIVELY USABLE ON STEAM.You're like little retards kek. In a few weeks you will all act like this whole whining never happened because it is entirely a non issue. PEOPLE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE CONTROLLER YET. ONLY REVIEW OUTLETS.
>>737909293>It will take 2 weeksMore like 2 days.
>>737909293Exactly this. Steam had been extremely open with hardware and software, i saw a Ukraine soldier piloting an automated gun with a steam deck.If you absolutely hate steam, I assure you an offline version to use it will be made, if you somehow can't stand steam offline mode.Saying you are scared of it relying on steam is some tinfoil hat stuff.
>>737909648>i saw a Ukraine soldier piloting an automated gun with a steam deckWhat the fuck?
>>737910397Yep. You can probably find the clip fairly easily, but basically you can modify steam hardware for whatever the fuck if you have the resources and know how.https://m.youtube.com/shorts/AVIC5gvA37sDoubt steam controller will be any different People bitching about I DON'T WANT TO RELY ON STEAM are missing the point that steam is performing small miracles with steam input.Want to make your own steam input?! Go ahead, but then Don't bitch that all the magic steam input does isn't working.This complaining is as retarded as buying a toaster, complaining you DON'T WANT to be beholden to power companies but are also too lazy to buy a solar panel, so you think a toaster is useless. Gtfo
>>737909293Because it's not about the convenience, it's about the device being solidly set apart from PC gaming as a whole.If you buy a Nintendo Switch 2 peripheral that works only on Nintendo Switch 2, you feel slighted because the functionality is limited. I don't wanna buy a Gamecube controller for the WiiU that only works on WiiU. I want it to work for several kinds of Nintendo consoles.
>>737910761You talk like someone who's unaware how the average steam user is.Average steam user uses only pc titles, and holds no expectations for pc peripherals to work on switch 2, PS5, ect, and any other game or emulator or program can be added to steam in 5 clicks.This is a complete non issue I could only see applying MAYBE to someone who completely lacks Internet, or is tinfoil hat and doomsday bunker paranoid.99% of games take steam input no problem.
>>737910658I just found it funny you know. Reading about a steam controller and suddenly a fucking drone pilot is using a steam deck to blow up the russians. The whiplash is unintentionally funny which is the best kind of humor.
>>737911108>it doesn't have basic functionality but it's okay because I have to rely on my personal multibillionaire friend living on his marine research yacht
>>737910761Also you realize ps5 and switch controllers working on steam is nBecause steam right?? this is essentially blaming steam for being good enough to make them work, because steam controller won't do the reverse because Nintendo won't allow it.>>737911159It is kinda funny. I mean I wish the war would stop already, let populations of different zones vote for which govt they want to stay in, and stop all the killing... but I admit its a funny ass out of nowhere thing.Plus imagining a Ukraine soldier taking 5 minutes to play halflife on downtime is funny
>>737911108It's not a nothingburger, it's basically the difference between Steam OS replacing Windows and Windows being the main platform for PC gaming.
>>737911271Nobody complains about basic functionality of the steam deck, when its literally the same shit but a computer and screen.Plus i bet you are the kinda person to game on xbox game pass, so this isn't even a good faith argument>>737911523Why in gods name would I want to stay on windows?! People left in droves for linux after proton came out, this is literally the only reason they are ATTEMPTING to improve windows now.
>>737911523>>737910761Go and find an official Valve quote that says the Steam Controller will only work in combination with steam you fucking tripfag retard.
>>737911720See!? It is a somethingburger!
>>737911862Are you trying to suggest anything in that post pointed to anything wrong with steam controller?? Steam deck sold out forever, and customers loved it. Complaints were minimal and often fixed in time.
>>737910658So, is the steam controller (2026) going to be compatible with my automated gun or not?
>>737912309Yes . Add "automaticmachinegunsukasplat.exe" to steam, run through steam, bind things up. Your machine gun now works on steam.
>>737907547I dont know if it still works but I'm pretty sure you can download the playstation app, or whatever they call it these days, for PlayStation controller drivers. I don't even think you need to setup or even keep the app after its initial install. I never understood why people use janky software like ds4w.
>>737901018you're free to bitch at microsoft for not implementing and supporting libsdl and sticking to xinput which is a useless api. also i just tested my old steam controller and it works with dolphin, cemu, duckstation, pcsx2, rpcs3 and probably others as long at the software supports sdl3.
Steam Controller? HEH. Step aside...
i have the 2015 steam controller and i thought the touchpad thing was just not useful for gamesit didn't matter how you tuned it, the tuning isn't an issue, i overall just didn't like itthey're taking a UI problem and giving it a full controller support solution but that doesn't just make it good for gamesadditionally the DS4 touchpad can be used like a cursor if you turn on the option in DS4windows and that has always felt like shit if you use it for the camera control in a game. natively the PS4 doesn't really use it like that and i don't think many games made a use of it period.tl;dr i have a lack of faith in touchpads. i don't think they belong on anything.
>>737916841>>737916841>have a lack of faith in touchpads. i don't think they belong on anything.Funny because touchpads are so versatile. They can be mouse, joysticks, dpads, virtual menus with 16 buttons, or hell, even a mouselike input of joystick inputs (uses in-game joystick data, controls like nouse)The fact you " dont get", pads tells me you never spent more than a few hours, and never experimented
>>737917080tell me something real quickwould you rather play max payne on your PC, or the mobile port on your phone?
>>737917436>Comparing touch pad to phone Tell me you are too poor to of laid hands on a steam deck without telling me you're too poor to lay your hands on a steam deck lmao.NONE of the steam deck customers say this.SHILL HARDER OR YOU WON'T GET YOUR BONUS.
>>737917567that's a lot of words i ain't readingPC or phone
>>737894846WTF is that abomination? Only a canadian could make such abhorrent thing imo
>>737917669Steam deck (its a pc) using mix of gyro and pad to aim, while having the same pad have secondary inputs for whenever I click it, and never need to lift my thumb mid firefight ever, and am more responsive than mouse = >
>>737915806Rent free
>>737915806accurate lmao
>>737899551but my chink controller supports both Xinput and Dinput for 40$
>>737917780cool but can you super jump
>>737918456Pretty sure you could bind a single button to do most exploits or button combos so ....yes??
>>737919017it makes most sense when you use the scroll wheel imo
>>737915806I don't even redeem my free epic games anymore.Maybe I will actually delete that stupid ass account.
>>737894846>>it’s a controller with a comprehensive configurator it’s not rocket science why are people acting like monkeys hitting a monolithshrimplepeople see STEAMand they go apeit's a ninsteamdo board
>>737919179*Steamtendony board
>>737894846Saar you do not understand the EVIL NATURE of steams EVIL PLAN>>737895090>>737906179you stupid namefag.it doesn't do anything different than any other controller has been doing for decades.the SDL merely has the raw driver input to make it workyou just use your own shit instead of steaminput.Literally every controller newer than the original 360's doesn't use native xinput.they use a fake, emulated one with new features tacked on, and software to interface with the archaic bullshit.
>>737895090>>737906179fucking retarded tripfag kys filtered
>>737899551xinput is such a crazy thing to domicrosoft made directinput and it supports more buttons than you could need, plenty of sticks, and then in 2005 they make xinput on top of this and massively limit it to basically exclusively an xbox controller and it kills any innovation of controller design or being able to add more buttons128 buttons, 8 axis (stick uses 2, trigger style pressure sensitive buttons use 1. so you could have 4 sticks, 2 sticks 4 triggers, 3 sticks 2 triggers, etc), and 4 dpad style inputs. this is basically unlimited freedom for a controllerand what does xinput support? 8 buttons, 4 axis, 2 extra axis that only work for a pressure input and is hacky if you wanted a third stick, and a single dpad hat, and that dpad hat is only 8 directional rather than 360. doesn't even support fucking remapping when directinput didwhatafuckingdowngradexinput is so fucking bad is the reason controllers are basically identical nowyou want back buttons?sorry that is more buttons than xinput supportsanother stick? a nub to control something? more pressure sensitive buttons? extra triggers?nah xinput doesn't support thatabsolute fucking travesty
Midi controller when?
>>737920467Probably soon. Old steam controller could already be used to play midi music
