PCissies stirring up FUD about Sony as usual https://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-users-report-new-online-license-checks-for-digital-games/1100-6539651/
>>737914737why is it needed at all? If you downloaded the game from PSN that should be all the verification you need.
>>737914737>you’re just paying for a licenseIf buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing
>>737914737Kys snoy
>>737914856all software is license
>>737914887>>737914737The narrative fell apart.
>>737914737Go back to bsky, tranny
>>737914737Why did they only tell us this after rather than before? A lot of bullshit could have been avoided with some basic communication on their part.
>>737914737>cmos dies>libary is kill
>>737916047I think a better question is who stirred up the outrage? Normies care about shit like this as much as they care whats in the fine print of a EULA. So who tried to start this campaign against sony?
>>737916047Because they wanted to gauge public reaction first. Snoys were of course fine taking it in the ass but enough people complained that they clarified
WELL WELL WELL
>>737916381If they do things like this and then go radio silent then people coming up with their own versions of events is inevitable. Tell people first before the fires start, not after.
>>737916381>So who tried to start this campaign against sony?>DONT YOU DARE QUESTION MR SONY OR LOOK INTO WHAT HE DOESholy shit sony shills are pathetic
>>737916315if your cmos battery dies that's a you problemmy ps3 is still perfectly alive almost 20 years later
>>737914737>>737916047>>737916426This.It's complete back pedaling but snoys will just pretend that this never happened, again.
Why are PC vegans ok with owning nothing?
>>737917032My fat fuck ps3 died when I played the intro of far cry 3. It was a great loss
Another big L for PCgays
>>737914737Based Sony dunking on pcfags as always.How does this keep happening? PClosers make up some asinine claim against Sony, it spreads like wildfire, then Sony clarifies days later that it was completely made up.
Tendies and pcfags really went all in on this one too
>>737918548>>737918634>>737918745I admire your dedication to keeping this thread up in the face of overwhelming apathy.
>>737918779Ok bud, you were literally steaming out of your ears yesterday
>>737914737Poor tendiecattle really latched onto this after being bulled for their goycuck cards lolzzz
>>737914737Bluesky icon didn't read
>>737914769Something about being able to refund the game and keep the license if you turn your console offline
>>737918920I don't own a PS5.
>Buy game on PSN>License isn't granted right away???
>>737919289So people were just disconnecting their PlayStation from the Internet and then refunding shit they just bought via the app or something? That's some devious shit
>>737919289that's bullshit, if you're asking for a refund, they already know which account it's tied to, and can just revoke the license even if it's already installed and your console is offline or turned off.
>>737914737Nincels really went wild with the fake news. Key cards mindbroke them it seems.
>>737919289Hahaha I've done this with like 30 games. It's isnane everyone didn't know about it by now.>preorder game>download it but DO NOT START IT>turn console offline>request refund >play game >turn console online when ur fully done and do it with next game Kinda worried I'll get banned now though since I literally doing it with pragmata as we speak. Intended to do it with saros but kinda scared to now. It also works with enely released games, which you can still select preorder option for. Sony has no fucking way to know if you've sctuslly initiated and completed a download, only if you've started a game. Sucks because realistically I probably am gonna get banned if this is why all this is happening. I've done this for years. Like probably 50 games. I still buy a decent amount of games though. Just bought RE9 and a few other games. So it's not like all I do is cheat the system. But it's been like 5 games per year for ten years lmao. Insane how people can't think of doing this. Like actually mind blowing I share the world with retards who didn't think of this. But glad I can talk about it now or whatever.
>>737919716They can’t uninstall the game from your system if it’s offline
>no you don't understand, it was just a bug>We just happened to code this functionality >We just happened to design the UI>We just happened to create the server and systems to enable these checks >And then we accidentally pushed these changed into a firmware update >so you see, it's all just a misunderstanding
>>737919857You won't get banned you just won't be able to do it anymore without homebrew shenanigans which will get you banned
>>737919716You're fucking retarded. If the console is offline the game can only go off of the last transfered information, which is that the game is secure license - wise and simply purchased. This is why they're creating two different licenses. Previously you could just refund the preorder after going offline while keeping the license until you go online next time. Now after 14 days the preorder license disappaits instead. It makes sense and I'm >>737919857But it still doesn't affect me since I always beat games in 14 daysBut I'm gonna bet b& as I said I assume anyway if this is why theyre doing it
>>737919857Nice falseflag, doesn't work like that. See >>737919716
>>737919716>>737919652>>737919289It has to do with pirates. PS3/PS4/PS5 game piracy still relies on valid licenses to access, while the scene is mature and largely solved it was necessary to protect the sales of partners.Pirates were buying the games, backing up the genuine full game license to hacked consoles and allowing people to play pirated software. They were then refunding them as they had the full license.Sony at no harm to genuine customers created a temporary license period which spans the refund period, so anyone refunding also loses access to the software.
>>737919935Didn't they just change it so you have to check in after 30 days because people were exploiting refunds and keeping refunded games saved on their console? They aren't saying they didn't do it on purpose what are you even talking about
>>737919965They have the tech to lock you out of the game if you go offline right after downloading it. You're a lying nigger
>>737919857Nice larp sweetie, but Sony denies all refunds if you've downloaded even a single byte of the game.Sad little lying shitskin
>>737919992This will probably backfire somewhat.Pirates/hackers find a way
>>737920062Not that anon but I believe he's saying it only works with preorders
>People actually trusting what a company has to say They were testing the waters
>>737919716lol whathow do the anti piracy jews at sony connect to your ps4 or ps5 if it doesn’t have an internet connection? retard
>>737919992>They were then refunding them as they had the full license.https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/store/ps-store-refund-request/#eligibility
>>737919970No offense but I literally couldn't not give a single fuck if you believe me. In fact it benefits me if you do not. Currently playing pragmata that I refunded, as we literally speak.
>>737920071It means pirates/hackers have to crack how licenses are handled. In the meantime partners have their sales protected.
>>737914737one time? or "one time" every 30-days if required?
>>737919716>your console is offline or turned off.How do you reckon sony servers are gonna contact your playstation without an internet connection? What that anon is saying though does sound like bs from my understanding of how the old license system worked
>>737920116>>737920116And how are you downloading the game after refunding it without connecting again, which would invalidate your license?Think before you speak next time, streetshitter
>>737920235nta, but you can just refund on the website
>>737920164The license is loaded on to your console even you don't install the software
>>737920264licenses are tied to accounts, not consoles
>>737920195>>737919857>>737919970Will not hand hold your mentally ill low iq ass to free money any more than this.
>>737920393>>737919857>>preorder game>>download it but DO NOT START IT>purchase date 04/24/2026preorders were before April 17th fucking dumbass
>>737920387and the data for that is saved on the console
>>737920393Didn't ask streetshitterEnjoy the banBtw, you lose access to all your games when your PSN gets banned. Including ones you bought legit. Enjoy!Or you could never connect again I guess. Lmao
>>737919992>Consolefags endlessly bitch about how their games shouldn't be on PC because of piracy>Get DRM added to all their online purchases because the little fuckers were doing all they could to play games for free.I'll remember this
>>737920580Learn to read note than a single sentence you dumb motherfucker. I am literally playing the refunded game right now. Again you arguing against this doesn't somehow mean I'm not. It just means you're retarded and the reason I've been able to do this for a decade.
>>737920580Snoyjeets lying and larping as per usualMust be really starved for attention Sad! Kwab
>>737914737all bluesky threads need to be banned on sight
>>737920589Still sounds like bullshit to me, they would've taken action at least a decade ago if people got around that way. I'm sure they have a way to update your account remotely even if you don't connect your console, and ask for a connection to launch x PSN downloaded content.
Are all the console/pc warriors third worlders? These niggas are retarded
Wait, does Steam let you install a game on another PC, beat it in offline mode, then refund the game without going back online and blocking it since you haven’t played 2 hours?
>>737920657>Shitskin>Malformed extremities KwabootyAll stereotypes were harmed in this image
Only somewhat related to the thread but how advanced is the ps5 homebrew scene at this point?
They 100% back peddled on what they were GOING to implement.
>>737920818The access keys got leaked so technically the console is blown wide openIt's just that...Literally no one fucking cares about this nogames having piece of shit lmao
>>737920657I'm just saying you haven't pre-ordered the game since the game launched at midnight on april 17th, and your purchase is from the 24th. Sony does not refund shit you've downloaded, even if it's just 1 byte
>>737920657now they will revoke the license after the period ends
>>737914737Have people forgotten that you also needed to go online to play/authenticate your digital PS3 games before?
Surely this will stop piracy and not fuck over paying customers.
I won.. Sony I believed in you right until the end.. I fought off all the tendies for days.. I am your proudest warrior..
>>737914737>based PC chads bullied Sony into backpedalingYou're welcome, peasants.
>>737920780No, they'll ask you to connect to do the necessary checks
>>737920787Hey man I told you how to get free games and you're having a little meltie. I'm white and more successful in all ways than you'll ever be, and clearly smarter. But keep being mad instead of doing what I told you, for some reason, to get free games. Your life sucks and mine doesn't so as long as you need to, Lil buddy, keep throwing those projection wections out :/ I'm sure it feels cathartic right Lil guy <3BTW I showed how to do it to help anons. You having your autistic meltie showcasing how displaced from normal human connection you are is not a "win." Take the factual, real way of getting free games or don't. I'll keep doing it until it stops working. If I get banned? I already said that sucks but I expect it now. Dummy wummy. Anyway imma go play pragmata.>>737920929There is a window of like a week or two where that is not true, which is why I even mentioned it in my first post and am using pragmata as my example. Like I don't know what to spoonfeed you here desu. It works for all pre-orders and it works for games like a week or two out from release. Now it seems theyve made it a 100% 14 day window instead of "preorder but kinda". If you think I made these images up you're retarded. Use the info or don't idc. L8r h8rz
>>737920717It's kinda interesting. PS5 can work fully offline. You can buy the console, plug it in and play games without ever connecting it to the internet. That's kinda cool because the xbox requires internet connection to make an account.But with digital games it's funny. I found out that you can update games and licenses without connecting to PSN, as long as you have an online connection. I once got banned from psn for like a week for saying nigger on a text chat (someone reported me for lols) and I could still access my games and update them.
>>737921126Was funny seeing that thread saying pt would be completely unplayable because of the update
>>737921158>There is a window of like a week or two where that is not truethe refund only works on pre-orders before launch date, on purchases you have NOT downloaded. It's literally on their fucking website (picrel).And if you've purchased a game (not a pre-order), and downloaded ANY of it, you're not eligible for a regardless of the 14-day window.(see >>737920164 )Now I'm not saying your photos are fake. I'm saying you either bought the game again and went offline, or you're playing on a jailbroken ps5, and I don't see why you would need to purchase the game at all if it's the latter.
reminder that tendies and steam chinks literally used cropped AI responses to lie about what this update did
>>737921442>you're not eligible for arefund**
>it's just ONE heckin time, so it's okay!
Jesus, how times have changedhttps://youtu.be/1lUqlasdutM?t=543>without imposing restrictions or devaluating their PS4 purchases>without imposing restrictions or devaluating their PS4 purchases>without imposing restrictions or devaluating their PS4 purchases
>>737921817still true for physical games
>>737921442Not him but I would assume preloads dont count towards it?Preorder -> preload the game and then put the console offlineWould be kinda dumb If you preloaded the game and couldnt refund it even before It was out. I could see It starting a lawsuit in the EU.>>737921526Better than Steam where you need to put it in online mode everytime you want to use it offline, for some dumb reason, honestly.But it's kinda dumb to buy digital games If you have bad Internet connection, like, why would you do that? No, why do people even buy digital games? This drama kinda outed how so many heckin physical bros buy their digitalshit preorders behind the corner.
>>737921880not for the next generation
LMAO
>>737922013>discbased gamesWow!
A blast from the past
>>737922013I feel like sony needs to just tell publishers they can't publish a game disc if the full game isn't actually on it. Not gonna happen but insane that the new cods aren't even 1 gb on disc and being shipped on a 100 gb disc
>>737922098>>737922013>>737921817New copes just dropped over the SIE spokesperson debunking the recurring 30 day check
>>737921964>Not him but I would assume preloads dont count towards it?well it's on their website and the pic i just posted>Main part of the content has not been downloaded or preloaded>I could see It starting a lawsuit in the EU.Hopefully, they've been getting away with it for far too long.
>>737914737I mean, you'd have to be an absolute DIPSHIT to not think this was the case to begin with.>looking at you navyguy21 on Gamespot.
>>737922181Also why does sony force all ps5 games to be uhd discs? If a small indie game is 2 gb just ship it on a standard dvd. Ps2 did this with cds
Why didn't they post this on the official PS site? Cowards. They have something to hide.
>>737914737100 threads per day and it's a nothingburger?Tendies will act like this never happened
>>737922250the ps5 disc drive has no support for anything other than bluray, not even regular laser CDs
>>737922306>a nothingburgerextremely grim
>>737922316You can play standard dvd movies on ps5, cds don't work however
>>737922013it's been funny watching retards post some of this shit from years ago like a gotcha when they aren't able to read
>>737922345I see, i stand corrected them, when it refused to play a music disc i just assumed dvds would be unsupported too
You damn retards it's not about digital or physical it's the change in practices and philosophy of PlayStation. Why would a digital game purchased in an already controlled transaction by PSN need further checks.
>>737922602Don't bother anon, these retards are too dumb to see the bigger picture
>>737914737That’s literally what they said though?
>>737914737BULLSHIT!SHOULD BE NO CHEKC IN AT ALL!I was just about to renew my PS+ too, but not anymore.I heard its only for games bought after march 2026, so does that mean the rest of my library is safe and can be played offline?Nine solsenders magnolia and enders requiemvanquish valkyrie elysiumI should be able to play regardless from what i have read as i bought these last year
>>737916381BAHAHAHAAH WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING SONY FAGGOT?!You act and talk like they pay you or somethingWho cares hwo normies act as SONY was caught by people who arent normies and PC fags who know what they are talking about.The only normie cattle in the thread is you so far
>>737922828This has no effect on previous purchases and stops affecting new ones after 2 weeks
Shouldn't companies like Sony be afraid of shitty AI chatbots they use potentially giving them a PR disaster when it just shits a summary of the top 2 results on google?
>>737922828>subscribes to PS+>worried about maintaining an online connection at least once every 30 days.Yo man, you wild.
>>737914737Oh boy, it's like ppl want to find things to hate on Sony, success breads jealousy or do they say
>>737922828literally turn your ps5 on 2 weeks after buying a new game for it and it'll be safe to play that new game offline forever too
>>737922903>BAHAHAOh it was a third worlder
>>737922925They should but they already fired everybody and the CEO thinks performance is based on the number of tokens.
>>737914737If a Playstation game is good, it would already be on PC anyway.
>>737914737So it goes back to Steam having the worst DRM out of them all? Lmao
>>737919857>>737919965Depending on if its a time limit X hours vs date limit (goes past the date required)Couldnt you possibly keep doing it with the trial licence if you simply keep turning the clock back every so often?
>>737923051bitch looks diff in everry single video legit abusing filtersbet she got a full face of acne
>>737914856Dude, you just have to check the license once. Then you can play it forever offline. Stop crying like a baby.
>>737923228Bloodborne and Astro Bot are two of Sony's best games and they aren't on PC.
>>737923281I'll let you in on a little secret. The time *you* set your console to is irrelevant. The CMOS keeps the network time which is why shit complains when it dies.
>>737917032My N64 still works
>>737914737>SIE spokesperson told GameSpotSo they flagged down a college intern for a statement they could publish
NO NO NO NOTHIS CAN'T BE HAPPENINGNINTENDO SISTERS THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE END OF SONYPAYBACK FOR MAKING FUN OF GKCNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>737914856now we're moving the goal post
>snoykeks desperately trying to handwave away the timer that's still ticking downIt's still there lolstill counting
>>737926435nobody said it wouldnt for a certain time period
>>737914737There's no way to spin it without Sony looking utterly tone-deaf at their own victories and accomplishments. This shit should have never happened in the first place.
>>737926616If "no further checkins are required" is true, what's it for?
>>737914856Don't make Gabe cry, he will need another boat soon.
>>737916047PC cucks are dumb and retarded and fake right wing grifters on youtube need money.
>>737927015they rolled it out to prevent the refund scam thats been going around. theyre essentially getting people to verify it once after the 14 day refund time is up
>>737914737>>737914769Yeah this is confusing me. Once you purchase the game isn't that enough? Or can't it do that online check in the very minute you purchase the game since you got to connect to the internet to buy it in the first place anyways?
>>737927186people were requesting refunds through other devices while ps5 was disconnected from the internet. for some reason this created a loophole to where they could play them as much as they want without having to pay for said games. now they are just requiring a one time verification while connected to the internet for permanent ownership
>>737927186Because you can download a game, not open it (it has nothing to do with downloading it but opening the file, despite what don't fear mongers on their website to deincentize you from trying for a refund), turn your console off, request a refund, and if successful you can play the game despite the license being revoked until you turn your console back online as the console has no way to know it's been revoked. Now after 14 days preorder licenses immediately default to unavailable if you aren't online, or all-time if you are once. It makes sense but what if you preorder a game and then move to Africa? Like what if I am moving to a hut in Nigeria in August but preorder mgs4 remaster? So I can only play it for 14 days and then they assume I'm a thief? To be fair it's a fair assumption if I'm in Africa but still wtf Sony
Remember in 2012 when Xbox got absolutely blasted by Snoys for this exact same shit and basically ruined their entire brand?
>>737927318if you can download it then you have internet access
>>737927340Xbox had a 24 hour requirement, Sony does not
>>737927343You are retarded. I am so tired of how stupid you people are.>download>turn off network access on ps5>go on your fucking computer to your transaction history and use the automated bot, click purchases, click game, click preorder, request refund, refund automatically processed within seconds if you have not OPENED the downloaded gameLike are any of you actually tech literate? What the fuck happened to this place?
>>737927287If what you said is the case then it makes a lot of sense to me they would implement this. And a one time check in to verify the purchase is perfectly reasonable to me since you need to connect to the internet anyways to buy these digital games.
>>737914856You aren't buying, you are licensing. Software has always been this way.There was an anomaly period for a couple generations of consoles where "games" were also "goods" but it wasn't before and it isn't now.
>>737927449>What the fuck happened to this place?Literally nothing changed /v/ was always this retarded
>>737927318>>737927449You literally have 30 days practically a month to connect to the internet again.
>>737927449It’s was just funny because the tendies were going around sperging out and using this a gotcha whenever anyone criticized their shit.
>>737914737This feels like damage control like when they were going to do the same thing Xbox did with the Xbox one and then changed their mind...
>>737927318If you start downloading it then you cant request a refund regardless so it shouldnt be an issue
>>737927340Sony gives you 30 days and then replaces it with a permanent license, Microsoft checked every 24 hours and gave you no permanent license. Microsoft never got rid of this, BTW, they just put in on Xbox PC and increased the time to 365 days, those bastards. Also, no permanent license on Xbox PC either.
>>737920717>Still sounds like bullshit to meit's not, all your license data is automatically synced to your console regardless of whether or not you download the game/DLC, why does it work this way? I don't know but some publishers actually take advantage of that by not making you so much as even start a DLC download (not even a 1mb one) by including it in updates/the game itself and just checking against your licenses to unlock content in game
>>737927807Actually I left a little bit out, theres more to it than thisThis explains it:How the "Permanent License" Is GrantedAccording to the latest Sony spokesperson statement, here is how your license will transition:Initial Purchase: You receive a temporary 30-day license that allows for immediate offline play.The 14-Day Wait: You must wait until the full 14-day refund eligibility period has expired.One-Time Verification: Once those 14 days are up, you must connect to the internet at least once.License "Upgrade": During this connection, the system confirms you haven't processed a refund and "upgrades" your license from temporary to permanent.
>>737914737keep holding them accountable because if you stop they will just change it slightly later.
honestly i dont care what sony does i will support them they are the only people putting out good games. sony could shoot my dog in the face and i wouldnt care. i love corporations
>>737914856It was always the case.If I actually own the data on the disc instead of just the license, I should be able to distribute the data on it to whoever I want. Piracy wouldn't exist.
>>737914737>an anonymous SIE employee told Gamespot it's okaySo Sony STILL hasn't made a public statement about it. How curious.Post your fucking excuses on your Twitter and your homepage, Sony. Don't send notes in class like fucking children.
>>737918634>Sony tries to push some shady, retarded shit>PC chads are the only ones giving any pushback because Snoys are buckbroken cucks down to the last man>Sony backpeddles to save faceThis is what actually happens.
>>737914856God I love this saying, because its such peak low IQ posting. It shows you don't understand what video games are, what licenses are and even what basic laws are. Licenses aren't ownership and infringing on them is a crime.
>>737914856You got the goyim seethe. good work.
>>737928405>Not wanting people to trespass on your land is goyimRetard
>>737928492Correct. Stop taking away my property fag.
>>737920062>but Sony denies all refunds if you've downloaded even a single byte of the game.you can get a refund but you have to fight tooth and nail in my experience, I had a game preordered and downloaded and that shit just wouldn't unlock, wouldn't let me play it all, support was no fucking help at all and I had to write a fucking rant to them to just let me play my game I'd been waiting for or give me a refundanyway support physical when you can, convivence of digital is neat until you lose all the time you'd save switching discs/carts by spending hours explaining to the support agents for umpteenth time you'd done literally all you can do on your end, every one of their suggestions several times, shit just doesn't work
>>737928385>infringing on them is a crime.Im so sorry you live in a corporate-ruled shithole
>>737928560All licenses all over the planet are exactly the same you stupid nigger.
>>737928525>Being so stupid you agree but think the oppositeThanks, just give me the title to your land its mine now.
>>737928202They wont. This is plausible deniability for both sides>shills paint it as Sony's official answer to derail threads and calm down any agitated sheep>Sony gets to pretend this "SIE spokesperson" never existed and doesnt speak for them when they enforce the 30 day limit anywayThe fact is the check is still there.
>>737928652Cope.
>>737928675You don't even know what that word means. Hand over your land now its not yours you don't want it.
>>737928632And yet it's in your shithole where you cant own shit and piracy is a crime. How sad.
>>737928692Cope.
>>737928560I got news for you. It's always been this way.
>>737928698You dont own video games and piracy is a crime in your country too you stupid fucking retard. You have a license to access a game, not ownership of it. You do not own its code or assets in any shape or form.
>>737928652>DUR GIVE ME YOUR PROPERTYNo. Im not giving you my copy of Elden ring either. What will you do now?
>>737928698>And yet it's in your shithole where you cant own shit and piracy is a crime.Same for you.
>>737928745You just said you want trespassing to be legal, give me your land you dont want it.
>>737928745>m not giving you my copy of Elden ring either*license to access Elden Ring. From can cancel it any time they want :^)
>>737928734>YOU DONT OWN VIDEO GAMESClassic consoletard pilpul. Yes I do. There's an international case going on because I do.
>>737928784The case is about access to licenses not about who owns a video game. That's never been up to debate, they're 100% owned by the holder of the IP.
>>737928764>owning your property without corporate oversight is tresspassinglol>>737928780>they can cancel you licenseBut I still keep my files and they cant do shit about that.
>>737928838>But I still keep my files and they cant do shit about that.Yes they actually can. Firstly they can block you to access a license from online services, they can get Sony/Microsoft/Steam to pull access, they can even if they really wanted send police literally to your front door. The fact they don't is because you're irrelevant to them. But you do not own that video game, they just cannot be fucked to deal with removing your license, they have every single right to though.
>>737928828>access to licensesThey called it semantics on record for the whole world to see, corposlave. You license shit. I own my purchases. But again, this is because you live in a corporate ruled shithole
>>737928838>Still not giving up your landSo you do want companies to own their video games? Thanks for playing you lost.
>>737928891You're simply too stupid to understand how it works.
>>737928891Qrd?Or a video?
>>737928891Buy a Nintendo game and host it for free online. See what happens.
>>737928890>Th-they can pull the online leash....kek>THEY'LL SEND THE COPS TO YOUR DOOOR!!!!Never happened. Not with anybody. Not once. You know why? Because they cant do that. Come up with threats that have a bit more bite to them, these are just comedic fluff
>>737928946Hes retarded.
>>737928949>The fact they don't is because you're irrelevant to them. But you do not own that video game, they just cannot be fucked to deal with removing your license, they have every single right to though.Try again retard.
>>737928949>>THEY'LL SEND THE COPS TO YOUR DOOOR!!!!>Never happened. Not with anybody. Not once.https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1gs3kcg/surprise_nintendo_tracked_down_alleged_switch/
>>737923635>you just have to take it ONCE in the assWe all know the only logical outcome if braindead faggots comply is more checks in the future.
>>737923635Isn't that how Switch 2 keycards work?
>>737928949>Never happened. Not with anybody. Not once.Nintendo has done this multiple times. For people who host or post hacked games.
>>737928946Look up the EU hearings.There's a reason all the replies about not owning games come from agitated consoletards.
>>737928946Hes a retard and wrong. The EU has a case ongoing about when game companies can remove access to a license not whether the game companies actually own their games. If it was about owning the games then when you buy the next Dark Souls you could copy/paste it online and nothing could be done against you.
>>737929070You're an idiot who doesn't even understand what is happening.
>>737928918>you lost.Yeah, I lost! However will I cope? Oh I'll just play this game I own that no corporste can do shit about. >>737928947>>737929004>>737929028>Nintendies >bent over in the USAThanks for proving my point lmao, enjoy taking corporate sperm in your ass for booting up your console everyday
>>737929156https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/nintendo-wins-major-french-piracy-case-with-eu-wide-consequences-significant-not-only-for-nintendo-but-for-the-entire-games-industry/Anyway you're a retard.
>>737929156>Yeah, I lost! However will I cope?Probably by shitposting that you "own" something that you don't while you get laughed at for being a moron.
>>737929119>>737929105>You dont get it! YOU DONT GET IT!!!If it was just licensed, this case wouldnt have gone as far as it did because companies are well in their rights to jusy revoke the license. Right?Funny how official discussions on actual ownership always make you mad.
>>737929156I notice you don't mention what country you're from because then I could find local cases of piracy being punished by local police forces
>>737929156You're one of those retards when shown hard proof refuse to just take the L Just admit you don't understand what software licenses are.
>it's just one checkup, goyim>ignore that we've demonstrated that we want to force you to keep paying>ignore that we refused to let you play your PSN purchases (from the Ps3) on your Ps4Suck a fat one, sony. You dun goofed for the last time.
>>737929225>this case wouldnt have gone as far as it did because companies are well in their rights to jusy revoke the license. Right?That depends on your definition of a license, which is what the EU is debating. Now ownership. You stupid, dumb, nigger.
>>737929225>Calling others mad>jusy revoke Silly ESL. Its a debate about the scope of a license not who owns a video game. The IP holder owns the software not you.
i'm confused here, why is there a check if you're buying it from PSN in the first place?
>>737929254>That depends on your definition of a licenseWhich doesnt matter because ownership vs license is irrelevant semantics in the first place>>737929254>TYPO!!!dont be so mad, corposhill.
>>737929343>ownership vs license is irrelevant semantics in the first placeNo it isn't and not once has this been said or considered in any case ever because its not true in any shape or form.
>>737929343>Which doesnt matter because ownership vs license is irrelevant semantics in the first placeIncorrect retard. It means literally everything
>make a change so embarrassingly terrible it mirroed the Xbone strategy>see everyone shitting on it>immediately back peddle and claim they were merely pretending>still requires internet connection to play shit you paid forNo vidya company is worse than Snoysteinburgwitz. The saddest part is Snoytrannies will convince themselves that this back peddling is a win instead of yet another jew anti consumer move, immediately after they raised the price of their PS5 to $1k and popularized the $80 games.
>>737929343>corposhillWhats actually funny about your shitposting is you're clearly the corporate shill here who wants companies to own games which is why you're trying to shitpost and misdirect.
>>737929384I don't see the issue. It's not like they also lack games and are just coasting off of trash ports and shoddy remasters and multiplats.haha
>>737929343>Which doesnt matter because ownership vs license is irrelevant semantics in the first placehttps://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=c90fef96-9108-404a-9732-6cf0c0f7ea72Here you go shill, enjoy.
>>737928560>corporate ruledYou benefit from those laws just the same. You'd know that if you created anything of value in your life.
>>737929447>you benefit from IP law lasting 150 years, when most humans don't even make it to 70>big corps are allowed to pull from public domain and then cry crocodile tears when people make offshoots of their products
>>737929343>>737929182No reply? Blew you the fuck out too hard? You lose corporate shill. Maybe next time don't defend companies owning games.
>>737929361>>737929380>from my point of view, that's unfair, because the difference between "buying" and "licensing" at this point is semantics.behold, the single line that sent corpojews into an absolute panic>>737929418>>737929436>NO U SHILL! STOP ARGUING! YOU DONT OWN LICENSES!!!Just look at the fear in their posts lmao
>>737929515Just making shit up now to save face? Figures.
>>737929515We will get gamers to own their games and you will lose jeet. Get a real job.
>>737929515Holy cope.
>>737929515From your point of view anything is unfair because you're too stupid to grasp reality lmao
>>737929494Cant reply to all the corpocucks at once anon. If I did that, why, you might call me a mass replying faggot and run away!>1ficher>trying to deflect purchases to a filesharing site So that's why you're so eager for a reply, huh? Shan't be helping your "owning is piracy!" pilpul
>>737929494>>737929591>Didn't even reply >Just threw buzzwordsI won you lost. Get fucked corposhill.
>>737929540>>737929556>>737929590>It's not true! IT'S NOT TRUE!!!!The transcript is right there, little cucks. Cry harder>>737929553>You will lose because you own your gamesdid a bot break?
>>737929591>trying to deflect purchases to a filesharing siteIf buying is ownership then distributing isn't ownership infringement :^)
>>737929489>you benefit from IP law lasting 150 years, when most humans don't even make it to 70Have children and you will understand.
>>737929070The SKG stuff?
>>737929691Ignore him hes shitposting.
>>737929632>Brags about Nintendo winning>NO U CORPOSHILLwhat did he mean by this?>>737929650>distributing isn't ownership infringement :^)True! Which is why the second hand market is legal.
>>737929515>YOU DONT OWN LICENSES!!!Oh now its not about ownership of games and it is about ownership of licenses? So much backtracking from this little corposhill.
>>737929710So host it. Host a game online right now.
Corpo shils mad
>>737929489>big corps are allowed to pull from public domain and then cry crocodile tears when people make offshoots of their productsDisney.
>>737929710>Brags about Nintendo winningI do not want companies to own games. You mistakenly think you do. The difference is I want gamers to own what they buy and you want gamers to stay not owning anything. That makes you either a paid shill or a complete retard. Take your pick.
>>737929710>True! Which is why the second hand market is legal.Second hand sales are not distribution :^)
>>737929737>Oh now its not about ownership of games and it is about ownership of licensessee >>737928784>backtracking! corposhill!Just look at your thrashing and wailing. Why dont you take a minute to calm down? Try again after you've dealt with the boogeymen in your head
>>737929710>Doesn't understand the difference between second hand sales and distribution
>>737929805Projection and moving the goalposts. So its about licenses now? Can't even keep your trolling straight lol.
>>737929708Why do you want me not to know so badly? Seems suspicious.If he is actually wrong about it why not post what the actual ruling is and why hes wrong?
>>737929687>corporations have children, so they should be able to extend IP law infinitely>but your games should expire so you can rebuy them over and over again
>>737929846Know what? Its public knowledge. Its about whether Ubishits and others can cancel licenses or if they have to allow offline versions of their games. But it has nothing to do with ownership at all its just one retard whose shitposting saying it is.
>>737929846>If he is actually wrong about it why not post what the actual ruling is and why hes wrong?Its not done yet but tldr game companies are likely going to have to allow you to play offline when they stop service for online video games. You still don't own them though that would be insane, it would mean you could buy any game you want and then sell infinite copies of them.
>>737929779>>737929838>No I want gamers to own shit! YOU'RE THE CORPOSHILL HERE!!!So why are you defending licenses?
>>737929918Misguided attempt to educate a retard so you actually know what to fight for instead of holding back video games for another generation. You're right you win, you're too stupid to learn.
>>737929848Wait until you learn that corporations get a huge inhertience tax benefit (due to the fact that corporations dont legally die) meaning the only people who have to worry about inheritence tax are private individuals allowing even easier access for corpos to buy all land.Inheritence tax is pro corporateUnrelated but I felt like ranting
>>737919716No they can't. What they can do however is prevent that account or any other account with the same IP from doing future refunds until the first game is deactivated.
>>737929967>taxes benefit everyone except the people actually paying themJust another day in clownworld.
>>737929846As you can tell from the other angry replies, corporations cant argue>teehee, it's too expensive for us, so we're revoking your license! You dont own anything!and run off into the sunset. Why? Because dont license your copy, you own it. And corporations trying to meddle with your owned stuff purely for their self interest is, if not illegal, sketchy as fuck and something the EU agrees should clamped down on.
>>737929967People own companies.
>>737930029>you own it.Nope.
>>737914856criminally retarded takes. what is a rental car
>>737930029>you own itWrong.
The engagement farming /rage baiting on this topic was so over-the-top when steam and nintendo have way more stringent drm. Love them or hate them, sony can’t lose right now
>>737929964>gets caught in his own shitposting>N-No I was trying to educate yiu! Know your enemy!lmao. Why you thought that NO U! grift would even work when you're the cuck defending licenses and celebrating corporate wins for the past hour, I dont know.
>>737929846>If he is actually wrong about it why not post what the actual ruling is and why hes wrong?It only applies to online hosted games like The Crew which Ubisoft like retards took down without an offline mode. This triggered the EU because technically they shouldn't do that because they promised in their license to support the game for a reasonable period of time. So now Ubisoft single handedly fucked themselves and most of the gaming industry because the EU is going to say if you create an online game, you have to give it an offline mode if you take it down or refund everyone their licenses. Doesn't change the ownership structure though. Games are software owned by the IP holder are licensed to consumers who if its a physical product can resell it but if its digital cannot. You also cannot re-license it (i.e. copy and sell it). So in the long run this changes literally fucking nothing and we still don't own games.
>>737930103I hate game key cards and denuvo, but don't you dare imply that 30 day expiration dates are a good thing. Don't you even dare imply that it's a good thing that sony just so happens to have this system in place.
>>737930087>>737930056>NUH UH!And we go back to the beginning because corposhills cant argue for shit>>737930164>or refund everyone their purchases.ftfy. purchases. That's why this is hitting the usual suspects. They cant say you signed the tos and eula! It was a license! and revoke it. Because it's not>but if its digital cannot. You also cannot re-license it (i.e. copy and sell it).Every time with consolekeks, lol.
>>737930249>And we go back to the beginningYou're too retarded to read the manuals to know that it's always been this way
>>737930274Dont feed the troll.
>>737914737>complete shit bait>faggot bluesky screencapJust imagine how much this site would improve if Hiro cared. You could start removing third world countries from posting. Force autofilters on any twitter screencap, autoban bsky links, so even if you wanted to post news from twitter, you had to put effort into explaining why it matters.
>>737914856so much THIS
>>737914737The fact that they only provided a statement to gayspot when it became hot news instead of explaining what's coming and why well ahead of time means this is either a lie, or not the whole truth, or only a foretaste of worse things to come.
>>737930274>>737930285>always been this way! Nope. Nice try, you lying corpocuck.
>>737930164>Games are software owned by the IP holder are licensed to consumers who if its a physical product can resell it but if its digital cannot.The fact retards still don't get this is hilarious.
>>737930192Hang on. 30 day expiration dates are not okay, I’m definitely not saying that. Sony announced today that it was not a 30 day expiration but rather it was phoning back home to verify that it was not refunded within a 14 day time frame. Once it was confirmed to not be refunded it converted to a permanent license without further verification. Maybe you didn’t see that update
>>737930031A corporation itself doesnt pay inheritence tax, the corporation is advantaged.Most corpos are not private companies either but publically traded on the stock market.The corporation is uneffected by the tax.
>>737930521People own companies.
>>737930517>Sony announced todayWhere? All I see is >nameless sony grunt told gamespot it's not a big deal>Maybe you didn’t see that updateDid sony release an oficial statement on their twitter or something?
>>737930586And isn't this ontop of the ai/jeet customer support confirming that it's an intended feature? Instead of them trying to calm people and say "whoopsy doopsy it was a bug"? like they weren't even trying.
>>737930546And the corporation (the actual power structure) doesnt pay when its majority shareholder dies, the corporation itself cannot legally die, at no point would the corporation itself pay from the buisness funds, which puts them at a massive advantage because of it.>but the majority share holders family will pay upon his deathOut of their own private inheritence.At no point does the company pay
>>737930709You're still not getting it. People own companies. You want some of what they have? Buy them. You can literally go out right now and buy most companies.
>>737930721You're retarded.It was about how inheritence tax facilitates the consolidation of all property into the hands of corporate entities.This isnt about wanting a corporation that makes billions. Its about wanting normal people to be able to OWN LAND.
>>737930780>of all property into the hands of corporate entities.Which people own. You can own. You choose to not own.
>>737930780>Its about wanting normal people to be able to OWN LAND.Hey so sorry to burst this bubble but you don't own land either. Firstly its all a lease from the government, they can literally take it away (after paying a """""fair"""" price) and secondly if you get a mortgage the bank owns the land, not you.
Denuvo for sonybros, when?
ponies. what a lousy filtering
>>737930827You're really making my off topic rant become ontopic because this entire thread is about how people should be able to own the things they purchase even if they currently dont. While the other side just defends the ones taking ownership away by just saying"Lmao you dont own shit"
>>737930943People should be able to own things but you don't. If you don't recognize that then you can't know to fight for it, can you?
I LITERALLY cant have a PSN account Sony doesnt support my country
>The Court of Justice of the European Union ruled, on July 3, 2012, that it is indeed permissible to resell software licenses even if the digital good has been downloaded directly from the Internet, and that the first sale doctrine applied whenever software was originally sold to a customer for an unlimited amount of time, as such sale involves a transfer of ownership, thus prohibiting any software maker from preventing the resale of their software by any of their legitimate owners. The court requires that the previous owner must no longer be able to use the licensed software after the resale, but finds that the practical difficulties in enforcing this clause should not be an obstacle to authorizing resale, as they are also present for software which can be installed from physical supports, where the first-sale doctrine is in forceJust a heads up, you actually CAN sell your digitally owned software. This is one of the biggest grifts corporate shills have pushed in recent days.
>>737930943Warning you isn't defending the system retard
>>737931000>The court requires that the previous owner must no longer be able to use the licensed software after the resaleConsidering you cannot do this its moot.
>>737931000Another case of the EU trying to be good but not having the balls to follow it through>Yeah bro you can resell your digital game! You just have to prove you invalidated the file from your devices though and if you don't you go to jail forever also just contact Steam directly to get your new key so you can sell that key to someone else who won't buy it thinking its a scam
>>737931000>look closer>you can resell your digitally owned software>Some software and digital content publishers claim in their end-user license agreements (EULA) that their software or content is licensed, not sold, and thus the first sale doctrine does not apply to their worksNOW it makes sense. This is why corporate shills cling to the license argument for dear life>>737931117>but finds that the practical difficulties in enforcing this clause should not be an obstacle to authorizing resaleIt's right there, how illiterate are you?
>>737931178That doesn't mean what you think it means as you cannot easily remove your own access
>>737931000And? This changes literally nothing. If the point is you own your game then you should be able to copy paste it whenever you want to whoever you want and sell infinite copies of it. If you can't do that, you don't own shit.
>>737931225And that practical difficulty is not an obstacle.
>>737931000Anons will post this but refuse to buy games and host/sell them on /v/. I wonder why.
>>737931290Again doesn't mean what you think it means. It means you can attempt to do so, but if you don't succeed you will get fined if the sale goes ahead and you keep access.
>>737914856>most of the replies are from corporate shill botsthey hated him for he spoke the truth
>>737929687>boomers: pull yourself up by the bootstraps>also boomers: you don't have to work for anything since I did the work alreadymake it make sense.
>>737929018Don't know about keycards but the emulators you get with NSO check if you're eligible to play them every month and yet nobody's bitching about it.
>>737931262>and sell infinite copies of it.I notice how you didnt say>sell your copyHuh, wonder when the narrative changed >>737931328>and you keep access.And that's on the corporation pushing the case against you to prove. Which they cant. It goes both ways. Just like how you cant prove that you removed all access to your product after you sold it, corporations cant prove you have other ways to access it anyway after reselling it to block your transaction or sue you.
>>737931172They can. and have>In a notable case, the High Court of Paris found against Valve for not allowing the resale of games from the Steam digital storefront, requiring Valve to comply with the European Union Directives of first-sale doctrine within three months, pending appeals
>>737914856same applies to valve just fyi anon.
>>737914737Doesn’t change the fact you were defending your precious corporation fucking you in the ass.Snoys aren’t human.
>>737920640That's fine. We'll keep stealing all your PC exclusives while you remember 4chan quotes
>>737929018>Isn't that how Switch 2 keycards work?No online check requirement for the S2 game keycards. You need to download the game, of course, but then they are fully usable offline. And you can lend them to anyone. It was a stupid solution to a stupid problem, but it wasn't asking you to show the loicence for using your software.
>>737931489Because that isn't a comparable situation. The NSO is a service and clearly marketed as such. The real problem is Nintendo not doing a virtual console with purchasable games like they did in the past.
>>737929553No you won't. You'll get labels on game packaging showing what games you can't own, because you can't own services.
>>737914737Well maybe if Sony was even remotely competent at communication this wouldn't be happening.
>>737919857>>737920195yea bullshit, sony are such fucking jews that the second you start downloading you can't refund it
>>737928560The problem is that you're not using the correct language and not describing the situation clearly enough. So your thoughtlessness is opening yourself up to dismissive comments by whoever reads you. License checking is still a hugely stupid thing for Sony to do, especially given their track record.
>>737932090>You'll lose! They'll turn games into services now! It's like you're driven to defend corpo honour out of sheer instinct
>>737914737>No further check-ins are requiredYup, they're testing what they can get away with for PS6
>>737931602Does it? We know that Steam is essentially DRM management, but PC problems require PC solutions and PC solutions should never be console solutions. Also, with Steam there is the expectation of Valve essentially freeing every library from the DRM lock if ever anything happened to the company, so there is a trust system there.
Just like taxes used to be optional and a time-limited thing only.They will expand this. First they will only check you once after 30 days.Soon after they will check every 30 days.Then every 14 days.
>>737916047The situation if far from being clear. Also, even if it's "just" a "one-time check", that still doesn't really matter and shouldn't be your problem. In the Gamespot article, they claim that this was to prevent a refund exploit. That's their problem, not yours. You shouldn't be required to go through the online check humiliation just because they fucked up.>>737916381I'm really tired of snoys doing damage control.
>>737917032>if your cmos battery dies that's a you problemAnon, that is literally a fail point of any console that you are expected to fix at some point in time in the future. It's literally a battery.
>>737914856>>you’re just paying for a license>If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealingmy nigger
>>737916381>I think a better question is who stirred up the outrage?Let me remind you guys that Sony was also the target of a slander campaign during Helldivers 2. Fags lied about the PSN is banned in certain regions. Which is a blatant lie. You can get any PSN account with the only caveat that certain currencies are not supported. Haters lost as per always.
>>737930973>>737931017Fair enough then, I had assumed you were just mocking the concept of ownership.
>>737931000>Just a heads up, you actually CAN sell your digitally owned softwareWell yeah its obviously possible to transfer digital items between one account and another.Steam does it for csgo skins. So theres no reason for it to not be an option on pc other than the game industry actively choosing not to let you.
>>737931178>Thefirst-sale doctrine(also sometimes referred to as the "right of first sale" or the "first sale rule") is a legal concept that limits the rights of anintellectual propertyowner to control resale of products embodying its intellectual property. The doctrine enables the distribution chain of copyrighted products, library lending, giving, video rentals and secondary markets for copyrighted works (for example, enabling individuals to sell their legally purchased books or CDs to others). In trademark law, this same doctrine enables reselling of trademarked products after the trademark holder puts the products on the market. In the case of patented products, the doctrine allows resale of patented products without any control from the patent holder. The first sale doctrine does not apply to patented processes, which are instead governed by thepatent exhaustion doctrine.Yeah you're 100% right.This is why they are so adament on calling it a licence
>>737914769Because you used to be able to download $20,000 worth of games, take your console offline, then refund that $20,000 with your phone through the PS App.Then you had a PS5 with $20,000 worth of games for free.
>>737931225When you sell a knife on the steam market place they can easily remove it from my account and put it on the other guys account.Theres no real reason that games themselves couldnt be resold on the steam marketplace or other companies could do something similar.The reason you cant sell your digital games is a choice by the industry. Its not something inherent to digital games as a concept.
>>737933535how many people did this, and where is your proof of it?
>>737932230Alright
>>737933535Name $20,000 worth of ps5 games.
>>737914737*players don't have any purchased games, they purchase temporary licences
>>737914737I guess the PS5 really doesn't have any games. All they have is licenses.
>>737932942>if buying isnt owning then piracy isnt theftTrue however I also have a second cavetIf datamining as much data out of me as possible despite me not wanting to give out so much data isnt theft, then neither is piracy.As things stand right now I consider piracy to be an objective moral good.
>>737914737And it does this once every 30 days, according to their own documents.Why are Sony Fanboys pretending that this is a good thing?
why is this such a big controversy for playstation anyway? isn't this literally how steam works, you need an internet connection every 30 days to keep playing your games?
>>737934150it only makes you check in once in the first 2 week, then you can play it offline foreversteam doesn't have any check in, just set it to offline mode and you can play offline forever
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>>737934350Yeah I just don't think I'll buy PlayStation anymore. Games are getting too expensive anyway.
>>737914769>>737919289you are a metric, you being online even for an offline single player game count as an active player number they can proudly show to shareholders>>737919992isn't the point of jailbreak that you don't have to go online or else you're screwed? I only got a psp jailbroken and didn't really use the store or got it online so I got no idea that's why I'm asking...
>>737934350why is there a need for a 1 time 30day check when you give them money to buy a digital game that makes zero fucking sense and this is a backtrack from them doing this monthly
>>737934150Because it's silly, Sony already knows you bought the game. You have an account and they already know it's you
>>737934350>there is not a 30 day periodic check inthen why the fuck is it there after verifying an online purchase? And still ticking down?
>>737934526It's just a baby step kinda thing. just this one check in, it's only a once a month thing, only a weekly DRM check bro, BROOOOO it's only a daily check broooo why are you complaining???>>737933575so this actually does/did work but no where near what this dude is saying lol. you could maybe get 3 or 4 games before they just stopped refunding you maybe less. and i mean is that worth it?
>>737934350Not what they said yesterday. This is just damage control.
>>737934350And this is supposed to be defensible why exactly?
>>737914737>PC chads step in to save console cattle from themselves Truly, the PC master race are the benevolent overlords that console peasants don’t deserve.
>the year is 2287>somewhere in Brazil the Brotherhood finds a safe with PS4 console and a few discs (Anthem, The Crew, and unlabeled one) inside>somehow PS4 is still functional>CMOS battery died long time ago though>none of games works, neither installed nor discs>insert the last disc>it's Transsexual Nurses 4>captain is pleased for some reasonnice preservation we got here boys
