>be ggg>release game>arbitrarily call it "early access">claim the full game will be free on launch for PR purposes>be vague about a release date>drag out the "EA" phase as long as possible>profitI hope this is obvious to every living mammal
its leagues are 5 times popular as poe 1 leagues though
I hope the game is never free, F2P was a disaster for the PoE1 playerbase and it's a plague upon the industry.
These games live and die on balance patches and temporary game modes, I'm not sure what you are expecting
Last Epoch was in Early Access for 5+ years.You didn't make a peep about that.Curious...
>>737916337yes and i will play it for a week or two every single patch
I don't care how long it takes, at least were finally free of Wilsonslop.
>>737916337>early access>delay patches for the """"league"""" launch every 3 monthsScam of the fucking decade and all because they didnt want to be compared to overwatch 2. Chris Wilson and his fucking blizzard insecurity ran both games down.
atleast d4 is fucking released and youre not sitting there 10 years in early access with half the game missing
>>737916724>youre not sitting there 10 years with half the game missingthat is exactly what diablo iv was until they finally released paladin
>>737916796uh huh go play the full version of poe2 i heard they finally are adding swords soon
>>737916724POE2 in its current state has more content than the supposed fully released D4. And clearly it wasn't fully released if it's still rolling out new characters like the Warlock and Paladin.
>The combat will be slower and more meaningful>your choices will matter>early access multiplayer crafting game on steamIt was foretold
They marketed PoE2 as a slower paced more methodical game. I bought it based on that premise. It's the same PoE1 screen clearing particle tornadoes but with better graphics. Also, I had to get a mod to stop the game from locking up my computer. The game wouldn't just crash my whole PC would freeze sometimes during loading screens. This was a common problem.
>>737916972i will play once Templar is in
>>737917213oh and the entire community will dogpile you if say it's not a f2p game because "it will be when it comes out!!". bitch I paid for this game in 2024 it's not f2p.
Are swords in the game yet?
>>737916337The shills who say it's good are just pissed off they paid for such a pile of shit and so they try and justify being robbed
>>737917621define sword
>>737917793>>737917627LARPing /poeg/ shitposters
>>737917793are they real? is this a boy yes/no??
>>737916337Does it have swords yet?
>>737917627>pissed off they paidAnd then they have to pay more ingame for stash tabs, currency n maps tabs n all the other tabs LOL Jonathan the fat retard laughing all the way to the bank!They convinced retards to hand over 30 bucks for a game that's years away from ready HAHA
>>737917627It is genuinely good. The gameplay action feels good to play and no other ARPG comes close to competing. It's just the end game is pretty shit and barren right now.
>>737916337I had fun with it and racked up 100+ hours into the game.
>>737916724>atleast d4 is fucking released>youre not sitting there>with half the game missingExplain the DLC.
>>737917213PoE1 already runs like shit I have no idea how you make the graphics better without straight up melting people's computers.
>release sequel in EA>leave it 6 months between any major update to continue updating the first game that doesn't make as much moneyI like poe2 for what it is but I'll have completely lost all interest in it by the time they "finish" it. THey should have dropped poe 1 the moment 2 released and focused all attention on it.
>>737916337>be seething blizzshitter>make these threads every day>accomplish nothing>dogshit blizzard games will never achieve anything ever againkek
>>737918318>the first game that doesn't make as much moneyIt's literally free you fucking moron.
>>737917480They give you as much currency as the equivalently priced mtx would. You're not wrong but they sweeten the deal for paying early. It's not as clear cut as f2p/premium but retards bask in ambiguity.
Another productive thread. happy days!
>>737918115It's not barren. But the game needs retuned. Once you get your 2nd build online, it's like pretty much anything can start killing uber arbiter in about 3 seconds. Once that happens the game is over, nothing has any difficulty. Adding Temple helps with that, but who really wants to build a 78 room toilet snake?Rework boss health and then prices on gems can shift around. They need to focus on adding even more types of unique drops to the end bosses available from splinters.
>>737918413Yes but they make money from it, from people buying packs each league
>>737918527retard
>>737918615Maybe you misunderstood, or you might be the retard. I was saying poe1 makes less money than 2, and they are retarded for continuing to update 1, when it means longer delays for updates to 2
>>737917016>The combat will be slower and more meaningful>>737917213>They marketed PoE2 as a slower paced more methodical gameThis is the antithesis of ARPGs. The point of them is grinding to get numbers to go up. Skill-based games like fighting games are the literal opposite, you have to only have player mechanical skill involved which means no items, no leveling, no progression systems.
>>737918078>30$ for stash tabs on release>add mandatory shop tabs that eat your premium tabs up. That will be 3$ each plus tax+tip>what's wrong anon, you want a special hideout? that will be 30$ +tax plus tip>oh did you want to be a special maximum tier VIP forum badge and a fucking HOODIE? that will be $500+tax+tip
>>737918413What are you trying to say? Its free so they don;t make any money on it?
>>737918715Thats a zoomer take. You can have the same progression systems in a slower game. ie fewer, stronger mobs rather than hordes of pissants that you can blast in one shot for example. i mean the logical conclusion of making it all numbers go up and fast as possible is a survivors game
>>737919048ah yes typical diablo defender at work
>>737916337This game gets absolutely mugged by Diablo 4
>>737919359retard
>>737919359Jonathangays did NOT like this (true) post
>>737919359Blizzard made two expansions before GGG could make two weapons for their flagship gameAHAHAHAHAHA
PoE 2 is probably the biggest mystery of a game I've ever seen. Specifically because I've been playing PoE1 since it launched, and have put close to 20,000 hours into the game since then. I like GGG, I've always respected them, even if they've made some iffy decisions along the way. But PoE2 kind of came out of nowhere because we knew they were making it for years, but I don't think anyone was prepared for what they were actually building, and when it launched it was screamingly obvious that PoE2 is comprised of (either intentionally or not) literally all of the worst possible game design decisions it is possible to make. So much so that when you play it, the only possible reaction is "Was this game intentionally made this way as a joke?"If you pick any possible feature of the game, literally any of them, that someone would have to sit down and design and then program and implement, every single time it will be wrong in some way. Some choice about it, some design decision, some thing they decided to try, it's just wrong and in the way that when playing you actively have to wonder how they didn't just do something better. I have no idea what the fuck is going on with PoE2. It's actually one of the worst things I've ever seen in this genre.
>>737919556fuck you, we'll have swords in 2056 and you'll be fucking sorry
>>737919556dude stop noticing wtf
turns out we only liked poe because of chris's visionnobody likes jonathans visionhe's ugly inside and it shows
>>737919584I like Poe2 up to a point, the endgame is wack but mechanically its satisfying with good visuals and effects and feel to the combat. But then I realised all I actually play is crossbows, which is basically a gun. I'm playing a twin stick shooter with gear progression and a skill tree, and as that its good although there are things I would rather done differently even so. Without that i don't know if I would be interested at all. And yeah it has some very retarded decisions being made in its development
>>737919832I bailed out of the early access launch like, 3/4 of the way through the campaign because I hated it. Imagine my face when someone explained to me that the "endgame" that GGG somehow invented for this game (when bear in mind, they had a perfectly serviceable map system from PoE1) was to give you this infinitely-scrolling Skyrim-overworld-map thing where you just had to drag it around forever hoping to find a special node that you could use for progression. I'm so glad that GGG realized how bad they fucked up and have basically shifted the team back onto PoE1 to deliver leagues for that, because there was a period there at 2's launch when it seriously looked like they were going to kill off their good game to work on that piece of dogshit.
>>737920006I don't hate it but I am playing it in a different way as I said, more of like a long twin stick shooter with extra depth. The campaign is the best thing about it. I was actually never able to get into poe1 despite playing most other ARPGs. I would rather they had dropped it entirely and spent all their time improving 2, but thats just me and I've no doubt whatsoever that I am a retard.
Or, you can see PoE2 as single player game that costs 30 money and gets free updates every so often. Not so bad.
>>737920215Yeah, that's just not how I play it. My favorite thing about PoE is making builds that are as hands-off as possible. Builds where I just walk around and things explode or enemies hit me and kill themselves, where I can face-tank boss mechanics and sleep through fights or let my minions do it for me while I just focus on not dying to stupid stuff. Some people might find that dull to play, but it's the process of making it work and then dominating the content that's fun for me, and it's never "easy". But I do my 40/40 every league, make a bunch of currency to min-max with, and then move on to other stuff until the next league.
>>737920369Yeah i get that. Its something they seem to be actively against in poe2, nerfing or removing any chain reactions or the auto-casting stuff. It seems a lot more resttricted in finding off-meta weird reactions between things, more so like 'use this skill to set up this other skill' like pre-ordained build combinations
>>737918527Retard
>>737920887STFU you're the retard!
>>737918615>>737918710>>737918759>>737920887idk if you're all baiting or just retarded
If you play PoE 2 at this point you are cattle. You don't deserve respect. You are meant to be a slave.
>>737921040yeh but did you go to website?
>>737921040nah thats D4 buddy
>>737916337>promise it as a separate campaign with new classes with a joined endgame for PoE1>release it as a separate game with extremely simplified mechanics>abandon poe1 for a year because of itGGG can go fuck themselves
>>737921040*D4
>>737921321try storing in a cool place out of the sun
>>737916724>pays full-price for every content patch>game is still worse than PoE2
>>737921321you sound utterly molested and traumatized. do you want to talk about it?
>>737916647there's millions of early access games last epoch isn't "free to play"poe2 is "free to play" (you have to buy it to play it)
>>737921456That time I got my boobs massaged, lol
I have no faith in GG to be able to save poe2. 0.5 is going to include an endgame revamp apparently but I'm positive it will be retarded and broken
>>737921415Watching the enshitification of one of your favourite games over the course of a decade is hard on the soul.
it is literally impossible to have a poe thread without diablo being mentioned
>>737921614gg no re is a common saying amongst competitive gamers.
>>737921653But you said Mirage was the best league ever.
>>737921723No. Legacy was the last good league.
>>737921653Mirage was fine, what are you so raped about?
>>737921810The game has been mediocre since 3.0
>>737921908You're a gay retard. Go away.
>please give me attention
>>737921991But Tri said it was good
>>737922343Thanks
>>737922343fuck up
>>737916337I don't believe I can ever forgive GGG for what they did to Hexblast, even if I like the Lich nonsense. Also, minions in 2 are rather unfun
>>737922716I definitely won't be able to forgive them for that. People were spamming with other builds so hard that the servers crashed for other people just trying to keep up. Better nerf hexblast!
>>737921672there's like 3 ARPGs that have ever existed it's hard not to mention them together
That Atlas Map is such a weird fucking gimmick and and by that stage of the game you only have the RMT botters and dopamine addicts still playing and they get angery every additional second they spend not facerolling through maps with their instakill the screen builds so I dunno what GGG can do with it besides just realize it doesn't work and making the gambling machine faster to load new map.
>>737922896Hexblast was already basically DOA in 2, it was pretty silly of them.
>>737922981i play blind hardcore and its a fun roguelike in that regard
>>737923029Oh no! I killed the ascendancy 4 time boss bitch in a 15 minute fight with my shitty SSF hexblast build! For everyone else the fight is under 15 seconds! BETTER NERF HEXBLAST
>>737921991>the fat shit I took earlier > D4Fixed it for you
>>737923029They killed a few things. i don't think anyone except me ever used it but rapidshot became unusable. I don't even know what the logic would be for the changes they made to some stuff, and because they are treating it as a release instead of EA, nothng gets adjusted again until the next league
>>737923207Yeah lmao, it was whiplash going from an SSF to buying "cheap" gear on Mana Sorc and just instantly killing everything with spark. You could even run CoC or CoS back then too before they murdered those two (again).>>737923294I understand that some interactions weren't working as intended but it was honestly very gay of them to nerf a lot of things multiple times in a row as well. Off the top of my head>concoction skills actually gutted to irredeemably bad>mana sorc nerfed in 15 different ways>hybrid monk taken out the back with nerf to spirit node, armor node, gains, crit and bonuses>attempts to kill crit several times>fire witch got a "buff" (actually a nerf) repeatedly>Warrior and Merc almost unplayable anyway because armor sucked and didn't stop sucking until 0.3>Warrior somehow still caught nerfs>Ignite rendered unplayable two times in a row>Chronomancer reworks don't understand the characterIt almost makes me ask myself if anyone in there plays the game
ok but can warriors walk while swinging their weapon yet?
>>737916647Because it wasn't marketed as a free game
>>737918715This is precisely why the game is in such a weird state, they either can make Diablo souls, or an actual Poe sequelNot to mention that the game still has the philosophy of poe1 loot, so making the game slower is just going to make the endgame that much more tedious, it's all at odds with itself
>>737924118>philosophy of PoE1 lootThis is by far the worst part of the game>kill a rare>get jackshit worth using because game is designed around you crafting your gear at the higher level of mass slaughtering 350 colored spearedchuckers to get one piece of upgraded gear
>>737916337>>arbitrarily call it "early access"It's missing half the classes and acts. Why does PoE have a schizo who keeps spamming these threads against it on here?
>>737916337OP do you have any idea how expensive games are to make or are you just that stupid and desperate for (you)s?
>POEPOOP
Poe 2 is possibly the worst game I've ever played and I've played d4
PoE1 fags ruined this game by getting filtered. They unironically thought even fighting white mobs was too hard
>>737926812That cat isn't even phased so he must do shit like this all the time
>>737926853Retard
>>737921040>If you play any skinnerbox game at this point you are cattle.Fixed it for you.
>>737926812Is this because she wouldn't suck his dick? I'd do the same desu
>>737921162swords soon in 6 years fellow GGGchad!
>>737916337>be me>pay $30 for game>play it for hundreds of hoursSeems like a good deal.
I love Tectonic Slam and watching the tendrils spill out. The thunder strike staff skill is just as cool and I wish could ricochet and go around corners like those worms that puke out their guts.
>>737916409Why lie?
it'll be bloated by 1.0 already right?
Still worth $20
>>737924118they have been trying to deal with the loot situation being a big thing a that drew negative criticism, but yeah PoE was always itemized for botting. The obvious solution would be ban all the RMT botters but Tencent wouldn't like that after all Tencent & Chris Wilson both always had their hands in the RMT biz.
>>737919584I find it glaringly obvious that basically nobody understands what makes arpg's fun.
>>737916647Because Last Epoch isn't F2P. It's P2P.
>>737916724D4 is a grand total of $200 for the games and expansion packs. It's insanely suspicious how you are staying silent on this.
Tencent shill thread
>>737928513>entire point of PoE2 was a more slower paced, methodical and without all the bloat>game is already zoom zoom speed thanks to all the poe1 kids getting filtered>game is already started to get bloated with crappy mechanics and systemsWHAT WAS EVEN THE POINT?
>>737919584dont you like friction anon? if games don't have a little friction you'll just steamroll it and not have any fun doing it or somethingthat's why every single mechanic in the game has some retarded masochistic drawback to suck all the fun and power you might get from it
>>737929768>enemies are actually fighting back, I have to interact with the enemies, game design, system and game itself?>AIEEE SAVE ME NIGGERMAN I NEED TO KILL EVERYTHING 3 SCREEN AWAY WITH A SINGLE BUTTON PUSH!
>>737929914lol get back to work jonathan
>>737929914the fat mutted man thought he could pretend to be miyazaki and combine souls mechanics with the blasting foundation which is poe 1. There is no acclaim of this point (what he really wants as an egoist) just a possible money generator for his daddy tencent.
>>737926941You don't have to sign your posts.
>>737929550they wanted slower and more methodical? not the impression I got from the enemy spacing/pacing, boss mechanics, and seasonal speed run modes, let alone the stat distributions and power scaling.
>>737930781>when the game first released in EA some builds like CoC was super OP and broke the game making it like PoE1>they nerfed it because it was clearly too strong/broken and invalidated rest of the game >redditors and poe1 threw the biggest hissyfit in history and since then GGG doesn't nerf or try and balance the game anymore>so just in like poe1 90%+ of the players just use the single OP/meta build of the patch and ignore everything elseI HATE POE1 BABIES I HATE POE1 BABIES I HATE POE1 BABIES I HATE POE1 BABIES
>>737930873... aren't you forgetting that /v/ was at the forefront and primary instigator of this exact development?
>>737930994GGG listens to reddit for their decision making, if reddit cries enough about something GG "fixes" it
>>737931037GGG hasn't listened to reddit, posted on reddit or even referenced reddit in their social media in almost five years. Reddit, in turn, has become a ghost town. It's time to let go Anon.
temples are fun as fuck
>>737930481
>>737919584>all of the worst possible game design decisions it is possible to makeThat doesn't feel at all shocking to me given how they've nerfed or simply deleted entire swathes of PoE1's leagues. It's irrefutable to say that every remaining league, if it even still exists in PoE1, is in its worst state ever.I didn't play PoE2 because it's impossible to imagine the people inside GGG would treat it any better than the way they treat PoE1. The only explanation that remains is that they're making it shit on purpose, exactly how they have done with PoE1.
>>737932037>redditspacingyou lost.
>>737918715>This nigga has never played a Souls gameIf you don't know what your talking about then you should just shut the fuck up and listen.
>>737929914The games design just heavily clashes with its roots as PoE.If they actually WANT there to be friction then they need to do what Souls did and defocus all of the gearing aspects in the game while refocusing on the interactivity between players and enemies but they simply refuse to do that because they still want the game to act like a skinnerbox in order to trap the retards that enjoy this genre into spending money and copious amounts of time on what is essentially virtual gambling with extra steps.
>>737916337>people are paying $30 to beta-test a free2play GaaSWhat in the goddamn. And here I thought EA itself was already retarded enough.
>>737916337>create a game that is known for it's end game content>make reaching said end game the longest and most torturous experience possible, filled with huge padded labyrinths, dead ends and hours of backtrackingwhy?
>>737933517I paid $100
>>737919359Diablo is a nigger?
>>737919359>mugged
>>737933629Ummmm... White people can mug too?
>>737933524>enemies fight back? AIEEEEE
>>737921321ONE GAMETWO BIG SHITS
>>737918078>only $30
>>737933517True, sadly I got baited by a friend who wanted me to play it with him. Prior to him asking I wasn't going to, but a week in he's was keen. Haven't touched it since 0.1 and by what I've seen/heard, I haven't missed anything worthwhile. PoE 2 is such a missed opportunity.
>>737936383>he's wasTurning ESL bros. What I get for not proof-reading.
poe2 is shit because i can't play it on my poorfag low-end pc.
test
>>737936803 so upgrade your toaster, anon. it's 2026 not 2012. real talk though poe2 runs like absolute ass even on mid rigs, it's not just you. they cranked the lighting and particle spam to “tech demo for tencent investors” tier and forgot some of us aren’t mining bitcoin on dual 5090s.but yeah blaming the game because your pc wheezes when more than three mobs spawn is peak poorposting. drop the settings, turn off shadows, enable every scuffed upscaler they give you and embrace the vaseline blur.alternatively just stick to poe1 where 400 mobs can explode at once and your gpu only suffers emotionally instead of physically.
>>737916337PoE2 is genuinely better than D4 in nearly every way, but Diablo allowing you to create a new character skipping the campaign is undeniably better, I've done PoE2's campaign like 4 times now and I want to blow my brains out at the thought of doing it again
>>737937424I don't know if its just familiarity, but while still incredibly annoying PoE1's campaign feels like going through the motions, while PoE2's feels like picking broken glass out of my feet.
I love how all the complaints about Poe 2 are basically just "reeee I hate playing video games"It feels like they just want to get the game over with as quickly as possible, it’s no surprise that the most popular leagues for Poe 1 were those where you didn’t actually have to play the game at all.
>hit endgame in poe 1 or 2>entire games turns to shitNo wonder everyone stops playing the game once they hit endgame every patch
>>737916337>PoE2I played it on launch of early access. I rolled a fire sorceress. The experience of playing through campaign made me extremely averse to it, meaning my opinion is that the game is an absolute shit and they have not learned anything from PoE1's development. More than that, the experience made me reflect upon PoE1's history, and conclude that the game was at it's peak during Legacy league. Also, i miss PoE1 version 1.3.Also, a reminder that PoE games were never good, and they always were bullshit.>snapshotting>negative value overflow>meta>nerf any not-approved fun builds>nerf anything dev team doesnt like>2.0 release and flame totem witch>GGG being caught doing RMT by selling Atziri's Acuity when noone killed her>obfuscation of mechanics>insider information trading>persistent rewards for team-play leading to economic crash via cartel>trading in general>balance and league design>design of racing events>still no endless ledge for PoE1 to skip campaignAnd a whole bunch of other shit.If i had powers, or was an overlord, i would take their entire fucking studio and have them executed by a firing squad. Well, i'd spare Kamil though, i like his music.So anyway, fuck PoE1, fuck PoE2, fuck Chris that bald fat retard, and fuck Jonathan and Neo and rest of those chucklefucks with a rusty chainsaw.
>>737916492F2P games are always a disaster.
>>737938138>peak was Legacy leagueHoly KINO. I loved that league the most and I loved every single time it got extended. It happened multiple times. Old PoE was good, but them getting bought out by Tencent ensured a slow and guaranteed decline (as happens to all games that Tencent infects). Soulless zoom-zoom 1-shot screens slop.
>>737918715>the point of arpgs>arpgs
>>737938212I keep reminding people about the "isometric" part but they don't learn!
>>737918527Yes, they make money from retards. Because guess what, that rng seed is a real thing, and the bigger pack they buy, the better "rng" they get. Its not just cosmetics that they are selling.
>>737938207I miss the times when the game actually had you interact with players - daily rotations, actually going to trade channels and shopping for bargains, IIRC thr 820 channel to help with achievements and league progression and maps. Things were good - could be better, but were good. And then yeah, tencent happened. I expect chrissy being happy with the money he got - it's like selling your kid into slavery to a chinese sweat-shop.
>>737938393All true, plus I liked the time before guides/jewtubers raped the community and game (as is the case with every remotely big game with meta shit now), as people had to learn and discover shit and talk about it. I do have a tiny bit of hope for Chris' next project, he's started a new company new ( https://lightpattern.com/ ) and I'm hoping it's another IsoARPG or something similar at least. But, could be monkey's paw and all that.
>>737938245People like to cram things into categories, regardless of the fit. isometric looter action roleplaying game is a full description for it, although abbreviation does make a hilarious implication - ILARPG - i larp g - says everything that needs to be said about this sub-genre.
>>737938453I recall waaay way back rolling a 5L Oro's, and selling it to someone for 3 exalts - took 2 and spare in scours and chaos orbs. Back then exalts were 20-25 chaos orbs...
>>737938528That's true too. A lot more reasonable haggling in regards to mixed orbs.>would you accept mix?>sure>how is x/y/z?>sureBased. Now it's all what you ask for (which is fine) or mega jew lowball (not fine).
>>737938212You're in the wrong here.
>>737919584I don't think PoE2 is a mystery, it's GGG that's the mystery to me. I know exactly what's wrong with PoE2 (and PoE1 for that matter). What I don't know is why GGG keeps doing it.They are autistically hyperinvested into the concept of friction at the expense of a singular vision. They want the game to take the 'average' player a long time to complete so it's built from the ground up to be annoying at every level, however they are also artists at heart so they want it to be fun and fulfilling while playing. This is a contradiction they have been unable to solve for more than a decade at this point. The disconnect between what the artistic side of GGG wants the game(s) to be and what the business side of it wants the game(s) to be has never been more apparent than it is in current year.The schizophrenic toing and froing that they constantly do basically comes down to this. Some person inside GGG builds something fun for the player to do, and then some other person inside GGG decides that was a bad decision and makes it unfun to do. This mindset has infested every layer of the design and PoE2 is the final expression of how far you can take it. The very act of movement in PoE2 is terrible-feeling precisely because movement was so refined in PoE1. It was good before so now it must be bad.
>>737938676>enemies fight back, I have to interact with the enemies, spell and the actual game?>its shit!No wonder poe2 had way more players than shit of exile 1 and less and less people are playing poe2 now that they turned it into poe1
>>737938734They literally had to completely redesign collision in this game, anon. I cannot imagine releasing a game that had to redo fucking character collision, but maybe this is because I have a job and take pride in my work.
>>737938640Scours and alchemy orbs were always an acceptable substitute for chaos orbs too. Or fusings and jeweler's. 2 fusings for 1 chaos orb. Sometimes you could haggle and like pay 18-19 fusings for 10 chaos depending on other player's disposition.Sometimes other player would have some item that could be a great sub for currency too. These days... its all automated. I tried to play SSF, but that was a pain in the ass because those pillocks did not balance the game around solo play/self-found league - they always balance it around trade, meaning pre-made parties and bots. Fuck them bastards.
how did we from ggg mogging blizz to the opposite?
>>737938885you suffered an extreme head injurty
>>737938734>I have to interact with the enemiescould you elaborate on that
Yes. Paid early access is a scam. Do not pay for a scam. Do not go believing that just because they slapped the words 'early access' on the store page that they will solve any of the very many problems with the game. This has been done for years and years at this point. If you still fall for this scam you are very stupid.
>>737938853Agreed on SSF. It's balanced around trade AND the top ~1% of faggots too so SSF is just megatard territory. GD and LE got SSF/single player experience down well and yet GGG just somehow can not, curious!
>>737938947Instead of pressing a single button to delete all enemies 3 screens away you actually have to fight them.
>>737939208and what does "fighting them" entail, exactly? don't say, "they run at you in a straight line and attack while you walk backwards and/or dodgeroll"
Too much rollingI must have rolled 20,000 times in campaignThen when I finished it, I rolled 50 times in a map and uninstalled
>>737918715>This is the antithesis of ARPGsNo it isn't, that's just what retards who play Diablo-likes have been conditioned to believe. ARPGs are way more than just these shitty, outdated loot pinata sims and if that's all you want then Vampire Survivors is the ultimate expression of that style so go play that.
>>737939525probably one of POE2's greatest sins is how fucking terrible blink is to use.
>>737939409>poe1 fags don't know what it means having enemies fight you in a vidya gamesad
I will gracefully withdraw with my W.
>>737939525I basically never rolled until they added the sprint.
>>737939525It wouldn't be so bad if the roll in the game wasn't so unbelievably fucking clunky. It's the Dark Souls 2 roll. It avoids absolutely fucking nothing and is just annoying to use.
I don't like Path of Exile 1 or 2 because ultimately I have to look up a good build and I can't figure it out as I go because the cost of respeccing is obscene and to make a new character I have to play the campaign again. It's very unfriendly towards people who don't just play this one game.I'm currently playing Warlock in Diablo 4 and I'm figuring out a build for myself and I know in the end I won't fuck myself completely because if I truly wish to minmax in the endgame I can look up a build and not essentially lose dozens of hours for switching to the new build.
>>737940004the fallacy of these games is that you as a regular person have to figure out anything. Do you really want to spend hundreds of hours figuring shit out? Are you even capable of using the tools or doing the calculations? There's a reason we follow guides. And what you will notice from those who make their own builds is they are always just using old mechanics together. They already know what's OP.
>>737940004respeccing is cheap now but yeah mid builds are complete shit and get worse every league
>>737940004>I have to look up a good build and I can't figure it outHave you tried being more autistic?>>737940075>Do you really want to spend hundreds of hours figuring shit out?Yes.
>>737940004And the worst part is that in every league there's 1-3 builds that's 10000x better than everything else because of their numbers alone. And 90% of the playerbase uses one of these 1-3 builds while ignoring the other 100 skills/builds that exist in the game.It's so funny how poe fanboys have this high pedestal about how deep and autistic this game is, when the vast vast majority just copies the most popular builds Online.
>>737940096>Are you even capable of using the tools or doing the calculations?
>>737932037Poe1 was only ever good by accident. All those fun meme builds you liked over the years? Absolutely against the vision. Poe2 will have none of that. It is being built from the ground up to be the antithesis of a sandbox arpg. There will be no emergent gameplay
>>737916337Is there a new update / patch soon, or was there one and I missed it?Haven't played PoE since november, and I don't care about league or trading.
>>737938138How is snapshotting bad? It's rewarding you for using your brain instead of mashing every button that lights upt.haven't played poe
>>737938138>>737938207I still like current PoE. I loved Legacy too though. I still have a stashtab of leaguestones, lolHaven't played PoE2 to compare. Probably not going to until it's free, it just doesn't look appealing.
>>737940476they announced the next patch, and so the online advertising and hype campaigns are starting.
>>737934583The enemies don't fight back though. You just walk slowly over them like steamrolling that retard in Austin powers
>>737926812>and I've played d4Am so sorry anon
>>737938138Fire spells in poe2 are terrible dogshit s this tracks
>>737938453Games are always much more fun when they are solved and people understand them. It's the difference between watching a noon play chess and a champion.
>>737941026So you watch PoE instead of playing it. Speaks volumes, good job outing yourself.
>>737941026>Games are always much more fun when they are solvedif a game is solved, there is no point in playing. you may as well just watch jingling keys or Longest Pinoy Marble Run 24/7 YouTube Stream
>>737941072I play them as well. Do you think the champion has a better time play against a noob or another champion? Do you think a noon has a better time struggling through with another noon, or learning from a champion? Games that require skill and knowledge are always more fun when you are skilled and knowledgeable, otherwise there'd be no point in becoming good at them.
>>737941168There's no point in playing a game you don't understand. You should read and understand the rules first, so you don't waste your opponents time
>>737916337The game feels fucking shit to play, same with every ((modern)) arpg, where they try to replicate muh heccin epic dark souls bosses by artificially dragging out boss fights to make them feel more special to retards. I just wanted to loot and level, not rollspam like a zoomtard.
>>737941240so what? understanding a game isn't the same as solving it. don't change the subject.
>poePOO lolJonathan won, retards eat all the shit that squirts from his asshole
>>737941367They are literally the same thing retard. New shit gets added to poe every league and players figure it out right away. That is solved but it is also fun understanding how to make a character and what combines with what. What you're saying is that chess is more fun when you don't know the difference between a knight and a rook and how to combine them. No the game is more fun when you know all the pieces and know how to use them
>Be developer of ARPG>Claim to be inspired by souls and the entire point of sequel is to make melee combat finally good>Release game with no real melee characters, the str character literally is just playing bejeweled, you don't actually hit enemies with your weapon you're a cuckold as the ground kills them for you>No bladed weapons no fucking swords in an ARPG>Add as shitty bad glitchy dodge roll mechanic>Keep all your terrible monster mechanics where they don't have any ai or behaviour and just zerg rush you and spawn ground death puddles>Make the player use terrible melee combat animations that are sluggish, no range, repetitive and stuck on the spot to fight waves of bullshit on screen>Gameplay thus has to resolve to press 1 button to explode everything before you even see itPoE2 is not a videogame its a cookie clicker same as PoE1 and they bait and switched souls fans to buy their 30 EA pass to give Tencent a number go up financial. They deserve any failure they inherit for being so smug and cocky releasing a fucking rpg in 2000+26 with no character creation/customisation options, forced character models, no male dex/male int etc and no fuckin swordsImagine being in a world post Dark Souls 1 2 and 3 and Elden Ring and releasing an ARPG not only with a forced nigger you have to play as for 'melee' but also no weapon choices.
>>737941510oh. you're just using words you don't understand.that's a lot better than having an insane and retarded opinion. i'll tell you what a "solved game" is.
>>737941738>PoE2 is not a videogame its a cookie clicker same as PoE1it's a cookie clicker that's worse* than poe 1. there is no creative expression in being able to create builds in poe 2.
>>737918715ARPG means ARPG. Diablo and it's ilk are not ARPG. They are isometric subgenre of ARPG. ARPG existed long before starting with games like Dragonslayer, later iterated by Zelda, Secret of Mana etc. Elden Ring is an ARPG and has skill based gameplay as well as itemisation based gameplay and works just fine.People wanted top down Elden Ring but with interesting items and randomised stuff, where playthroughs feels unique. Instead we got cookie clicker 2
>>737941765If that is what you are saying then every video is always in a solved state. And seeing how less and less people play hc every league in poe2 because deaths are more common than ever, I fail to see how this applies to poe more than it did 5+ years ago when more people were playing in the "uncertain victory" mode. Would you care to explain that?
>>737941359>PoE "players" being filtered by actual gameplay againDon't worry I'm sure the market will sell you a unique that makes you invulnerable so you don't have to engage with any real time mechanics at all
>>737941887>then every video is always in a solved stateit's simply impossible to take this point of view seriously. you should calm down and think about what you're saying before you hit post.
>>737928982Not to mention that they want as much retention as possible, and it's significantly easier to have poe1 type loot than to actually have 1000s of hours of actual content
>>737941738It still blows my mind they launched their successor game advertised with melee, with almost no actual melee skills or weapons.What were they thinking??
>>737941971Sorry >every video gameWhat game are you not certain you can beat given enough time and practice? Name a single video game that has yet to be finished because it was too challenging.Sorry phone posting so autocorrect is fucking my text up but meant >poe1 has less hc players every leagueYou didn't address this. Why are less people playing hc if its 'solved'?
>>737942108Aren't you excited to play Melee**(Passive screen wide explosions)
>>737942108They were lying, that's what they were thinking.They can't and don't know how to make good melee combat or their bad engine/game just can't do it.What they did was just make something that looks like melee combat in a video to trick people into being hyped and playing their game.>t. bought the EA pack and was unable to start the game for 2 hours by then the steam refund period was unavailable to finally play and find out it's a shit game
>>737916337poe 2 bros, how's warrior?
>>737942274Warrior is a Earth Mage who bounces around the screen like a flea with his rubber mallet boinging everything to death with big bubble pop flashes
Dakr messiah combat was peak. Dorksoys combat is shit
>>737941950circle-strafing around some npc for 2 minutes waiting for an opening just to deliver 1-2 strikes as demonstrated in your shitty webm just ain't my style. I prefer actual gameplay.
>>737942380souls combat is the best combat that exists outside of platinum's games because there are massive varieties of combat and attacks on individual weapons, first person repeated same stab and kick over and over isn't on the same level but its fun for other reasons, dickheadthe best combat that exists in a game is unironically Final Fantasy XVI
>>737942259Exactly, there has been no genuine attempt to produce "meaningful combat", there is no vision, they just rebranded PoE1 to make some quick moneyI would direct people towards No Rest for the Wicked if you want to see what a high effort production actually looks like
I like Poe 2
>>737942662Yeah, it's pretty fun. Hope it gets harder.
>>737917016>we want content to be slower and harder and more meaningful>Still ends up as screen clear funtime, people have made builds that insta-gib bosses etc like PoE1Other than making the campaign an annoying drag for your 1st character, si there a point in them pulling this "Ehehee dark sols >:)" faggotry you play the campaign once and then rush to end game stop making me trawl through the boring ass campaign PLEASE
>>737941950Oh no, are you getting filtered by basic build making so you have to go for a game where you can button mash yourself to victory? Please don't post that slop in actual ARPG threads.
>>737942426>>737942775>I-I...I-Immm not f-f-filtered!!Your insecurities are showing PoEtards, pick your shit up those cookies aren't going to click themselves
>>737943124Meanwhile in reality
>>737943264I know exactly what the reality looks like and that's why I'm shitting on it, it's interesting to think about what you could have had
>>737942462Weapon sets is a gay convention that only soulstards like. It does not belong in an isometric Diablo like game
>>737943264Just nerfplayer damage by 90%. Problem solved
>>737943624Tru.
>>737943124Roll harder soulslopper
>>737943553I think it's awesome being able to specialize parts of my build in whatever fashion I want.
>>737943124What engaging game play.Now show the same build handling a single magic pack with a rare in the middle.
>>737916337this game is 100% going to "finish" early access without all classes and weapons
>>737916337They're not doing it to milk money from people, anon. The Early Access boom was done by 0.2, and now all of the people playing are just PoE players who are coming back for seasons>But people buy the EA package!Listen, if you JUST want a key, they're free. Go to reddit, go to discord, go to /vg/, go to literally anywhere with a large amount of PoE2 players and just politely. "Hey guys, this game looks sweet, I wanna try it out, but $30 for a demo is a lot. Anyone got a spare key?" They literally just give them out for free.>Stop defending corpos!Oh, I'm not. GGG is not malicious. They're RETARDED. They forced out the EA before the game was even ready for EA. 0.1 was straight up a broken release with so many issues it was borderline unplayable. Even in 0.4 (the current patch) it is a mess.0.5, the upcoming patch, seems like the first one really worth anything. It is reworking the entire endgame and doing a huge balance pass on skills. Even then, this feels like 0.5 is just going to be what it SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT RELEASE.
>>737944547>Now do this!!I don't know what gave you the impression that I play this dogshit game
>>737929550>>game is already zoom zoom speedwhen does this happen?i barely got through act 1 and it was a slogi was extremely slow when all the trash mobs felt like they were under ghost speed buff and bosses had 10x the hp pool of poe1 campaign bosses
>>737942775>filtered by basic build making>look inside>mandatory fotm guides
>>737943124Man I really forgot about the rolling and dark souls influence this game has after dumping it once the 3 coop acts were over. I liked that there were a bunch of bosses but roll is such a forced mechanic.
