Why did Bethesda put The Elder Scrolls and Fallout development on pause to make this boring ass game?
>>737919874Because Todd is dumb
>>737919874I'm genuinely curious if Starfield 2 will ever be a thing.
>>737921331Starfield 1 is a near 3 year old game. Compare that to Skyrim and Fallout 3 when they reached that three year milestone. Everyone was still talking about those games. Meanwhile Starfield discourse died the month it released.
The silver lining is that Bethesda has some lessons learned from Starfield. Maybe. The story and writing for ES6 will still be dog shit though cause Emil is still employed.
Cause they obviously thought they could revive interest in their company by putting out a new "epic" game. Too bad it was boring and ugly as shit.
>>737921448>major multi-million dollar corporation that still uses the same sad excuse for an engine>learning lessons
>>737921448>lessonsdudebethesda post morrowind is nothing BUT them failing to learn lessons.
This was supposedly his dream project.
When I was 16 getting Skyrim at the midnight release I never thought I would have to wait until the fucking 2030s to get Elder Scrolls 6. And it's gonna suck too.
>>737921448right, because they learned anything after fallout 3, fallout nv, fallout 4, fallout 7, the oblivion demaster and the fallout tv show
TES6 is going to be Starfield with swords. It'll undoubtedly lean HEAVILY in to this shitty crafter/builder aspect since Bethesda's head devs are all enamored with that gameplay (a shame they do it worse than Indies)
>>737921331I highly doubt it. Starfield is 100% Todd's baby. The game he's been wanting to make for years. It was his decision to put cash cows TES and Fallout on hold for it. No way Microsoft lets him do it again, if he even gets a chance to try before he retires
>>737919874its not like it could have possibly taken that much away from other projects, its basically just a space total conversion for skyrim
>>737922261That's not true. It never got fun.
>>737922261i still wouldn't call it "fun"it's a decent time waster. you can go in to Ship Builder and really waste some time just moving blocks around. Is it fun? I dunno, but making ships is neat. a shame you end up with ladder-maze interiors
>>737919874Todd is not wrong in that we are getting tired of fallout and oblivionbut his attempt to start a new franchise cash cow, absolutely terrible
>>737919874He saw how retarded space dads are and wanted some of the cut,but it turns out space dads only want to larp Star wars or star trek
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdz02EDMYqA
>>737921585>DownInAHole.mp3
>>737921420Except you're literally talknig about it right now
>>737922808Sarah instantly starts moralfagging lmao. The characters in this game suck might as well just bring the robots.
>Watch friend play Starfield>Get to some big quest where you have to make a decision between helping people on a space station or staying and defending your group's main base>Idea is that the space station is under threat of everyone getting killed, but the base has priceless artifacts important to their cause that could be stolen>Friend chooses to go to the space station>Walks in, all of the characters are sitting down with their arm over their stomach as if injured>No blood, no distress on their clothing, basically nothing disturbed in the environment>Friend talks to them, basically tells each character, "You can do this!">Every character immediately gets up into a default standing position and starts walking away casually>Friend gets back to the main base>Bullet holes in some of the walls, but everyone is, again, holding their stomachs>One companion is actually dead>Lying in a pool of blood, but has zero blood actually on her, no wounds, no marks, her clothing is pristine>Go talk to an NPC>Turns out the artifacts are all fine and accounted forIt was genuinely baffling to watch. I get Bethesda can be lazy, but holy fucking shit. I kept talking to my friend about how they didn't need to help any characters up, didn't need to medically stabilize them, there were no fires, no blood except for the one character, no sense of danger or urgency, nothing. One of what felt like the most important quests in the game where a main companion will die, and there's zero effort put into any aspect of it.I knew people said Starfield was pretty bland even by Bethesda's standards, but I couldn't believe how bad it actually looked. Even him flying around looked awkward and boring. Half the time he just fast traveled everywhere and awkwardly dragged the ship to aim at mindless enemies. So even the space part seemed shit.
>>737923468I hate Emil so much. Most out of touch game dev to ever exist.
>>737923468Its shit because they suck. Fuck'em. They had their chance to make a good game, they fucked it all up, so dont cry when people make fun of you for releasing garbage
>>737919874They recognized correctly that having only two franchises that anyone gives a shit about was too few baskets to put their proverbial eggs in. Trying to kickstart a third one was a smart move, and making it scifi was probably also a smart move. The only part they fucked up was the actual game. If Starfield wasn't such a boring, empty disappointment they'd be golden now.
no one said "hey, wait a minute"
>>737919874they're in forever 2011 mode and think they can do no wrong
>>737923261that's one of the stupidest choices because even the guys on the space station outright say the Starborn has left and is going to attack the Lodge>IMMA GO TO THE SPACE STATION TO CHECK ON THEM! SURELY THE ENEMY ISN'T CURRENTLY HEADED HERE TO TAKE THESE MAGIC SPACE ARTIFACTS
>>737925207>yeah that retarded thing? actually- it was really smart!go to bed emil
>>737919874If they actually delivered on their weird ass premise of new game plus is a different universe where different things happened 20 times over, then it would have some value as a game. Some staying power.But the idea of "the player character becomes an alien god by interacting with an unknowable level of technology, and slowly loses all connection and investment in the world" is told worse than undertale's genocide route.
>>737925584It was smart. Obviously so. You're just conflating the kiw quality of the game with the idea of making the game. These are separate things.
>>737925641yeah. they didn't have a mechanism but "in this dimension Freestar won the war and crushed the UC" or "in this dimension Terrormorphs reach maturity faster" could've been a thing
>>737923261The best possible outcome is that the weirdo black guy from the beginning of the game who recruited you, stays on the space station and dies. But typically the game kills one of the love interests.
>>737925641Wildest thing to me is how they built in NG+ to the story and game but STILL made almost every npc essential, factions all joinable, and quests unfailable.
>download the game to see if they made it more fun>it still has the same microstutter performance issues as on releaselmao
>>737921585>Still uses the same sad excuse for an engine>Still makes millions of billions of goybucksWhat lesson exactly
>>737926106Man, I thought the same thing too lolGod, we're those factions ever disappointing. They're like Fo4 faction on xanex. The more I think about those fucking gay and retarded pirates the angrier im getting. They pissed me off so much
>>737926729>>737926106The only faction I even bothered to do was the cyberpunk one and it was pretty terrible. The mind control brain chip it introduced to the setting was out of place in how much would revolve around its existence.
>>737921448People ahted radiant quests from Skyrim and F4. Starfield was full of them. Thry learn nothing
>>737922261I'm genuinely curious as to what Todd finds fun. He seems to think these radiant quests are the best thing since sliced bread, when in reality it's just the same mindless busywork every time
>>737926876100%It was fun to use but youre absolutely right, it was out of place. Thinking back, even that quest line sucked and was stupid. Wtf is wrong with Bethesda and why cant they make a half decent quest line?
>>737922261>7 years>fun to playTodd, I...
What was the reason that the entirety of civilized society consisted of 2 small towns? The scavengers and pirates had more actual people than the main governments, why didnt they take everything over?Why the fuck did the cowboy town have wooden walls?
>>737922943talk is an in positive(organic).
>>737921448No they did not lear shit from 3 4 76 or anything they just fuck everything up even if they solved it in an earllier game
>>737921420People still talk about Skyrim and Fallout 3 every day here. You’ll get a Starfield thread here 2-3 times a week but it’s just to shit on it
>>737927761>learLolThe Bethesda learing center. That's about it.
>oblivion was jank but had soul>fallout 3 was jank but had atmosphere>i'm sure they will remove the jank with the next game>skyrim was jank with soul and atmosphere>todd, you're doing it wrong>fallout 4 was jank with slightly better visuals>todd, mate, come on>fallout 76 was jank with online lag>todd, where is skyrim 2>starfield was super bloated and boring janktodd and his team are washed up
>>737921420We still get starfield threads everyday and it basically outlived everything that came out in the past 3 years.
Squadron 42 is going to blow this out of the water. Todd's seethe will be legendary.
>>737927024Todd howard's favourite video games today are sports games in recent interviews.
Starfield is a great ship building game, the dogfights in space can be fun. But most of the time they're terribly balanced.
>>737928315>We still get starfield threads everydayOnly to mock it. Not a single person has anything positive to say about it (except obvious Bethesda plants).
>>737927415There was a huge war that wiped out most of humanity and now the game is set in a time of peace where everyone is trying to rebuild and space is completely empty for you to explore.
>>737928447Nah starfield only gets mocked like people mocking E33, BG3, KCD2, Crimson desert and others. It has a huge playerbase that loves the game.
>>737919874Bethesda has always made boring ass games. The Elder Scrolls series was just saved because it was accessible and Soule's music made people immersed, and Fallout because of the setting. The only other thing Starfield does worse than the average Bethesda game is load times.
>>737919874because TES 6 will be a disappointment and the end of bethesda and todd knows it so he's delaying it as much as he can
Starfield has 8 more years left of DLC and patches coming for it, expect to see more threads about the game over the years.
>>737928504>huge playerbaselollmao
>>737928710Best selling game of the generation, also selling like crazy on the PS5.
>>737923468Emil is the JJ Abrams of game development.He keeps getting worse and worse with every passing years, while being so out of touch and convinced his ideas are so "genius" he literally does Ted Talks about "how to fuck up like me: 101".It takes a special kind of retard to not only fuck up, but be so convinced your fuck ups are genius you write Ted Talks to teach others how to fuck up like you.
>>737928471If theirs less than 1000 people left, I think humanity is fucked.
>>737926876Neon's faction quest was dumbthe UC one is about learning where the Terrormorphs come from (they're fully-grown heat leeches) and the Freestar one told us how we had a totally awesome space war with giant robots but Bethesda won't let you actually see a giant robot in action because Bethesda is lazy.Crimson Fleet had a pretty standard criminal getting his just desserts sort of ending where the original pirate king died on a derelict ship staring at a bajillion space credits.
>>737919874They legitimately thought dropping $200mil in outsourcing it would get them Skyrim 2 in Space. But shit had no content, too many loading screens, weird bugs, creepy DEI and a $130 pricetag so no-one played it.
>>737922884He looks older than 55 here, considering his status and wealth. Something must have stressed/aged him.
I like the game and I think it's over-hated by salty TES trannyfaggots
>>737928826Lots of retards these days
>>737925406>they're in forever 2011 mode and think they can do no wrongIf only, they have degenerated greatly from Skyrim days.
>>73791987414 year old me be like: >"I want Bethesda to make a game set in space!">*monkey paw curls*They fucked it up so bad. It's the worst big IP space sci-fi setting I've seen. It's so fucking soulless. They destroyed earth so it would mean less work for them, but they did in such a lazy shit way that nothing besides humans survived (also 90% of them are non-white just to rub it in). Even Fallout is a more hopeful setting than Starfield. Fallout has dogs at least. Fuck Starfield.
>>737919874If you saw the first gameplay trailer for this generic space game and thought it was going to be a good game, you will literally fall for anything
>>737935258>these days
>>737923468>EmilStopped reading there.
>>737925207>instead of developing games from either one of our best selling series that is guaranteed to get tens of millions of sales, let's gamble years of development and resources on a new IP just because it was a stupid idea actually and they weren't correct
>>737921420>Starfield 1As if there will ever be a Starfield 2
>>737922506>ladder-maze interiorsHe gave you whiny shits ladders and you still whine? Here, have 16 more ladders.
>>737926106Go back to NuFaggas threads.
>>737936643you are perfect goycattle.
>>737919874>boring ass gameIT HAS BEEN>0 days>0 hours>0 minutes>0 secondsSINCE /Brown Zoomers/ LAST CRIED ABOUT STARFIELD
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>>737921646>This was supposedly his dream project.it was but it was whittled down to a boring nothing, there are archives of emails todd has been sending since the 90s talking about wanting to do a space game inspired by traveller and sundog the frozen legacytodd changed
>>737932658I think being at bethesda as long as he has would have that effect on anyone. He watched as the daggerfall dev team got fired pretty much as soon as he got there, forcing him into a leadership role. He watched as the zenimax board fucked the founder out of the company. He watched as they bought up all these little devs in their attempt to become a megacorpo dev and tasked him with managing all of them. He watched as the company got sold to xbox who then drove out so many of his friends and long time devs. He got a fat cut of the pie along the way, but witnessing all that shit is going to have an ill effect on anyone regardless.
>>737921420Starfield may not have any fans but it has the most dedicated and obsessive hatebase ever. Starfield heater can't let go of that game. Every time Todd farts a dozen new YouTube videos all named something like "Starfield is dead", "the end of Starfield" or "Why Starfield flopped"Starfield would have been forgotten a month after release if YouTubers hadn't figured out how potent Starfield hate slop is. No matter how low quality the slop is 100k views are guaranteed.
>>737941290Fake. You can't leave New Atlantis until you join Constellation.
>>737943521you can
>>737921420starfield has outlived basically every single player released in past 3 years.it also has the 3rd most active modding community out of any single player game, beaten only by fallout 4 and skyrim. even beating cyberpunk 2077
>>737925965thats the one I got. I hardly even had to interact with him so his death meant nothing to me.god the game's writing was so ass.
>>737922261holy shit. So Todd wasn't COMPLETELY oblivious to it being a vanilla turd all long. He just happened to go into denial mode, probably fueled by his echo chamber, at the very last year. What a fucking statement to make
>>737919874Is it good? I've been thinking about getting either this or OblivionHave they managed to not make it shit anymore like Cyberpunk which I picked up recently
>>737944629if you're the kind of person who can pour 100 hours of their life into shallow 7/10 open world slop then it's fine, but there are probably better things you could be doing.
>>737923878TLDR:This game is a half baked idea that we shat out to appease Microsoft. Not even we believed in it. But it's our heckin love child!
>>737944629If you're into Bethesda formula games then you'll sink a hundred hours into it just exploring and fucking around and get 1 playthrough out of it. But unlike other bethesda games, starfield's replay value is really bad. The plot and levelling mechanics make you never want to touch it again.
>>737919874This would have been really good if it was fallout/skyrim in space. But it was just "travel to empty planets with a lot of brown people" simulator
>>737926876the fucking neon faction questline is the perfect microcosm of their shitty "the player cannot be allowed to fail" design philosophy. There was not a SINGLE lockpick on the critical path of the entire faction quest line that was over novice difficulty. if you had to get past the lock to progress it was the easiest they could make it
>>737919874HubrisBethshit has spent decades releasing poorly optimized games that were saved by the playerbase, it made Bethshit rich, and now Tood has an over-exaggerated opinion of himself and his ability. He's like James Cameron, minus the talent.
there's a mod that lets you start anywhere and you can chose a setting that completely shuts down the main campaign questit works out so much better that way, too. Constellation, Dragonshouts and The Unity are the shittiest parts of Starfield
>>737946065You're still left with the levelling system that forces you to spend 3 hours in the training cockpit levelling your piloting so you can fly any ship.you're still left with a levelling system that completely discourages starting over, somehow turning out to be the worst leveling system Bethesda has ever made.You're still left with a universe that has so little atmosphere and feels so sanitized you can almost picture the head female dev in charge of making something so monotonous.You're still left with the ghost of Emil haunting every pathetic line of dialogue that feels like his 60 year old birthing hips ultimate cucklord ass wrote.
>>737922506I'm still pretty early in the game, but so far I'm actually having a good bit of fun. It's definitely rough in some areas though. Having ships locked behind getting your piloting skill high enough seems like a pretty dumb decision. Ships are already expensive as fuck, especially when you get into the higher classes of ships which cost hundreds of thousands of credits. I would think the price ranges of ships is more than enough of a hurdle without forcing the player to grind hostile ship encounters for piloting certifications. Also weapon customization feels like kind of a pain. I feel like a lot of it can be chalked up to the fact that you can't disassemble weapons you don't want to reclaim components which could in turn be used to customize the weapons you do actually use like you could in FO4. Probably doesn't help that even just swapping out parts for stock parts costs resources. The whole legendary rolling system is a bit annoying as well. I do like the combat though, especially with the gorefield mod. Shit causes some weird quirks with the physics in low/zero g.>shoot a pirate leaning against a railing with a radioactive beowulf rifle>instantly kills him and reduces him to a bloody gore encrusted skeleton>corpse remains standing with its arms crossed and everything
>daily Starfield hate threadsforced as fuck.do you not have anything better to do?
>>737946381>waaaaa why doesn't the game hand me everything on a silver platter
>>737946454you don't have to do any "piloting skill" just do the vanguard missions in UC capital
>>737946381>you have to actually plan your character build in an RPGwow what a shock
>>737919874 Shit game.
>>737943723Cyberpunk has no modding tools and niggers are obsessed with visual mods only and translations.Nexus should make a tab for only translations and a way to hide those during search. I'm trying to find my shitty gay story mod for FO4 not the cantonese translation for fuck sake.
>>737948667There is filters for that tho
>>737948827It appears I'm retarded and never noticed. Thanks.
>>737941290I want to do the evil Ryuijin route but I worry for Imogen :(
