If it wasn't an 8 year wait from announcement then people wouldn't be so harsh. It's all the Prime trappings you expect, but it's wrapped up into a more accessible package which might put off the hardcore git gud crowd.
They should have just released the Bandai Namco version of the game. At least that might have been bad in a funny way.
>>737921984Bandai Namco should never have touched Metroid. They're the type to make Other M.
In truth, Prime 4 never had a chance. It could've had absolutely god tier map design, smooth as silk gameplay and an unforgettable story. Wouldn't matter. Fact is that it couldn't live up to Dread because it doesn't have Raven Beak, making it a 2/10 trash game in comparison. Who the fuck is that nobody Sylux?
>>737922154Dread is extremely forgettable, it only sold 3 million copies on a console with a 100 million user install base.
>>737922154Dread mogs the fuck out of any prime game
One of the most ok games I've played. Its fine. Nothing more nothing less
>>737922154I liked Dread but those stealth/robot sections make me very unlikely to give it replays.Still though, genuinely had a great time for basically the entirety of that first playthrough
>>737922102Well, you can't blame Bamco entirely since Retro was making Harmony, and that turned out to be a piece of shit too.
Prime gotta be one of the most overhyped series everThe first game is great, and get's the acclaim it deservesThe second game while I personally love, people seem to think it's a much lesser game than 1 and not that goodAnd I mean the third game is by far the worst of the first 3 gamesSo it's just a bit odd to me that people hype this series up but what they really mean is they liked Metroid Prime 1 and thats it
>>737921897I'd have laughed my ass off if they had stayed silent for years only to show Mackenzie. the game is shit regardless of how you spin it, literally garbage that misses the point of the series. so glad it bombed
>>737922238Metroid games don't sell on any console
>>737921897I agree that the long wait made people get their expectations impossibly high but I think the game still has some lows that make it flawed. Still nothing horrible and people putting it in the same conversations as Other M are fags. I like Sylux.
>>737922238Dread is the good version of metroid fusion. Super metroid has still never gotten a true sequel
>>737921897>open worldDropped.
>>737921897Its almost entirely the time, the rest of the problem is that people hate change.Look at the spaz outs with prime 1 for "hurr making metroid a first person shooter? metroid is fucking dead!" Or how about a spinoff getting people to melt down in rage? Remember federation force?Attempting to move metroid forward narratively was always going to piss off NPCs, just as experimenting with the gameplay would.This isnt exclusive to metroid, of course, just look at the absolute meltdowns in response to botw and totk. Also the idea of time between releases = time being developed is something only the biggest tards on the planet could possibly believe. If you actually count the development time from when retro started, and subtract the time needed to print and ship carts, beyond was made in about 4 years, which is the exact same amount as totk, but since people are stupid assholes that think developers are keebler elves who live and breathe to serve them their slop, they end up doing this "I WAS PROMISED THIS GAME ONE GORILLIAN YEARS AGO" shit.
>>737923950Another factor is that Retro was still making Prime Remastered which didn't release until 2023
It's the Shenmue 3 situation all over again. With Shenmue 3 some people thought it was going to be modernized and upgraded in a way that put the old games to shame. Instead, you got literally a Shenmue game complete with all the rough edges. Some actual fans who *wanted* to play a third Shenmue game were satisfied. But most people were confused because they wanted the modern remasterslop works done for it. The way they think, if that condition isn't met, they wouldn't even want to play the game. The same thing happened with Metroid Prime 4. Instead of a game that radically updated the gameplay, it's just more Metroid Prime. They didn't go back to first principles, but instead kept the series going exactly like intended. I liked it for this reason. I just wanted a new Metroid Prime game. And this was that. It has the best graphics I've ever seen in a video game so I would say that is quite an accomplishment, and I had fun. The ending was a cool throwback to Link's Awakening. It's for Nintendo fans, if you're not a Nintendo fan you're probably a casual gamer and won't be able to get the most out of a game like this. In fact I would be willing to bet that if you have any doubts over whether you would enjoy Metroid Prime 4, you should stay clear of the entire series. It's for people who wanted to play a Metroid game.
>>737924021Forgot about that, they were probably 50/50 split, since they had other studios assisting.I also swear I recall an interview saying that the first year was them trying to figure what they could salvage from bamco.
The Prime remake showed a lot more understanding for what made Prime good in the first place than things like bluepoint total fucking garbage. It was enough to get people hyped they'd make a good Prime game.They did not. They went way in another direction.
>>737924329>The Prime remake showed a lot more understanding for what made Prime good in the first place. Its just a graphical overhaul gameplay isn't changed. I believe the original game is running underneath the remaster visuals
>>737924021Allegedly prime remastered was finished for a good while before release. Nintendo does that sometimes
I hope Retro can learn from Prime 4's mistakes correctly. Or at least Tanabe's successor will. A lot of mistakes seem to be Tanabe's and Nintendo's decisions. Course there's the "writer" and 343 devs.
>>737924329>>737924864I looked into some interviews Tanabe did after release and it seems like this game was deliberately designed more linearly to compensate for the NPCs following you and being the first game in a new "saga" which more newcomers will play. Now that Tanabe's gone and the next game will be a sequel I have some hope they go back to classic Prime design.
>>737924864>Course there's the "writer" and 343 devs.Halo 1-3, odst, and reach were all written the same way, why id it only with prime 4 where people start slapping squarequotes at the writings writing the same way they have always written?
>>737925046Halo 1-3 was Bungie when Bungie was good. Also we're talking about Metroid, not Halo.
>>737924248True, I would have preferred something more like Doom 2016. They made the shooting better, but it still feels too slow for this era.
>>737921984That would have killed Metroid so hard we wouldn't even get 2D games.
>>737925209Okay, but retro hired halo devs, halo devs did a halo thing, dunno whats surprising about this.additionally, fuck halo 1-3, odst was the best one, despite buck.
Weren't the 343 devs mostly on the art/environment side anyway?
>>737924918That's bullshit because there are barely ever npcs following you in the game
>>737921897>If it wasn't an 8 year wait from announcement then people wouldn't be so harsh.Yes, they fucking would. It's a bad fucking game, people would shit all over it if it took one year.
>>7379258463/5 of the main areas feature NPCs following you nearly the entire time, and even one of the two that don't still feature some segments with one.
>>737925825Yes.Regardless, all of the people who worked on the Prime Trilogy had been gone since the company was inexplicably designated to Donkey Kong.Which is why I fucking hate Nintendo for acting like they were bringing back Retro for Prime 4. They don't fucking exist and hadn't for over a decade. It's just marketing lies. The game was always going to suck because Nintendo has no in-house standards, which is why Paper Mario has sucked for 20 years. Which is why Mario Kart World sucks. Which is why every Mario platformer and really any game with Mario slapped on it since Odyssey has been dogshit. Which is why Tears of the Kingdom was a half-baked piece of shit sequel to what already felt like an unfinished tech demo for fifteen year-old technology. Which is why Pokémon has been a crapfest for over 15 years. Which is why Fire Emblem has devolved into an embarrassing softcore pornographic series with no strategy or roleplaying in sight.And so on, and so forth.Nintendo. Has. No. Standards.MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION TO USE VOICE CHAT ON MULTIPLAYER GAMES, HOP U RIKE IT!
>>737926108>MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION TO USE VOICE CHAT ON MULTIPLAYER GAMES, HOP U RIKE IT!Nigger what are you talking about, theres only three games that you can play without having NSO, and the only one with voice chat is fortni-ohoh shit niggeryou play fortnite, dont you?
>>737921897>Kills the Metroid Prime series
>>737925947No they don't
>>737926723Prime 4 being past Super means this bastard has officially outlived Ridley, Mother Brain, and most of the Pirates
>>737926820the Super Metroid remake is going to retcon Ridley dying
>>737926820prime games are non canon spin-offs
>>737927439Samus Returns canonized Meta Ridley
>>737921984I like prime 4. Has a good atmosphere and was fun to play. It's definitely better than prime 3 and I'll recommend 4 to anyone. It's a good game that gets unfairly shit on because it has the impossible task of living up to the first 2 games.
>>737929823It's definitely not horrible and I think it's decent enough that I'm just happy to have the series back with a fun title.
Ball sexo
>>737922154Raven Beak couldn't even stay alive for one game. Meanwhile the CHAD Sylux has his own saga of games planned after being foreshadowed for over a decade.
I knew that nintenbros would start unironically defending this garbage game.
I liked Prime 4. No I will not elaborate.
>>737933465Myles wasn't this bad thankfully. He still annoys you in the desert but there's a whole horror-ish section in the game where no NPCs bother you
>>737921897>Samus monologues to herself like a loon in super and fusion>talks to a bird in dread>suddenly completely silent in Prime 4 now that she's surrounded by humansIs Samus literally autistic?
Total flop game
>>737934023To be fair she never talked back in Prime 3 either
>>737925298Cope, tranny. Can't be worse than woke open world DEI slop Prime 4
>>737933341Genuinely relieved he wasn’t a one and done outing
when will they rerelease Prime 2&3, gamecubes are a completely nonexistent platform in Europe
>>737921897It's wrapped up in a gay, faggoty piece of shit package. And what's wrapped up is garbage.
i can only speak for myself but i didnt buy it because it looked lame and too far removed from the earlier prime games. it didnt seem to have the same level of ambience, the general tone and atmosphere seemed totally off and like a different studio made it. i doubt retro has much of their old talent so effectively it is a different studio. the new characters all seemed lame and frankly if they had just brought back the hunters from metroid prime hunters i think even that would have more appeal to old players and new ones who would find the other characters cool to look at. they fucked up by not doing that anyway and having a new multiplayer mode with the other hunters as an easy way to sell copies. the nail in the coffin for many was seeing the footage of samus on the weird motorcycle in a level that looks like sandtrap from halo 3. looked like she was drving the brute chopper. i also watched the sylux content and they dropped the ball super hard with that and they probably could have handled his inclusion in the game both from a gameplay and narrative perspective better in like 50 different directions. personally i think there should have been like 5 sylux fights over the course of the game, no weirrd psychic abilities. and again we should have people online right now in multiplayer deathmatch fighting in different cool metroid areas as different characters similar to something like goldeneye 64 with lots of maps and players to fuck around with.
>>737938129btw i played metroid prime hunters on the ds recently to relive old nostalgia, and it still holds up well gameplay wise. they essentially already had the basics down for what would become that stupid hero shooter genre, without the trappings of the characters all looking like retarded pixar rejects. all of the characters had cool unique abilities many of which would have fun ways to experiment with on certain maps like spire climbing walls slowly or being immune to lava, sylux being able to fly in space in low gravity using his alt attacks, weavel being able to strategically set his turret down in certain chokepoints etc. i was a noxus player back in the day and really enjoyed his beyblade attack plus freeze shotgun.
The game was just fucking dogshit, I haven't been as pissed at a game in a long time as I was when finishing Prime 4. The best way to describe it is that a bunch of untalented designers, directors and writers tried to make a Metroid Prime sequel and had no idea what to really do. The visuals, music and performance is very good, but the game built around them is not
