Just finished it, cried like a bitch. Does anyone want to discuss it?Also please recommend more vns, this is the first one I read since katawa shoujo a decade ago. I'm planning on reading higurashi, but should probably play something happier after this for the sake of my sanity.
I still believe that the real Battler died and that nutjob Yasu just assumed Battler's identity.
>>737925540>Does anyone want to discuss it?No
>>737925701I also suspected Lion/Yasu could have been the one to survive before the ending, but I'm pretty sure ange would recognize her brother. Beatrice really committed suicide at the end I think, Battler tried to save her and almost drowned, leading to the memory loss.
>>737925540I didn't get far, I remember thinking the whole Schrodinger's cat stuff was self-defeating. The superposition of magic and nonmagic explanations logically requires a nonmagic explanation to be possible
>>737926013>but I'm pretty sure ange would recognize her brotherYou have to remember that Ange was just a little kid when she last saw her brother. And she's just as delusional as the rest of the family.It's hard to know for certain because they stressed that whole personalities = people, and that someone can live or die just by getting rid of their name. That whole 'Battler is dead' bullshit which was considered true because of his amnesia.>Battler tried to save her and almost drowned, leading to the memory loss.They also teased that Battler was the only one on the boat.
>>737926147and a lot of mental gymnastics from the narrator
>solved the mystery>beat the cat bitch>gets his ass pinched every night by his trap boyfriend#1 world best detective. Get fucked Battler.
>>737926174>They also teased that Battler was the only one on the boat.When? It could be either way, maybe the Beato was just an illusion and not the real body, it fits either way, I like to imagine it was really him/her.But I really think that's Battler at the end, Ange has pictures of him and I'm pretty sure doctors would have been able to notice the mutilated genitals otherwise, though maybe you could say they just didn't mention that when meeting Ange.Also the thing about Battler being dead in red, fits with his personality dying due to memory loss.
>>737926147I think it all fits pretty well overall with the themes, especially looking back on it after the end, though I do understand you since the game has a lot of weak moments when you're reading for the first time, I remember thinking a lot of scenes were dumb, and some probably are, but a lot of it makes sense when you understand everything.
>>737926281Yeah, crazy that he's just Battler, but better, though maybe that's the point, him being some idealized version of Battler that Shannon created.
>>737926659>some idealized version of Battler that Shannon created.I thought he was Battler's original donut steel self insert to make himself seem cool
>>737925540Agni anon, right? I knew you would cry like a bitch.I recommend reading the Ep 8 manga at some point, it gives extra context and adds a few extra scenes that enhance everything imo.
Reminder that none of this would have happened if Genji hadn't been a simp for a murdering, kidnapping, incestuous child rapist.
>>737926524>When?If I remember correctly it was in an interview r07 gave.
>>737926869Are we even sure about that? Kinzo was insane enough to just die without telling anyone about the bomb.
>>737925540to me the ending left a very bitter aftertaste i just see the affirmation of solipsism as deranged, anti-social and deeply mentally ill. its a good VN overall. but when it comes to "witches" VNs i liked Fata Morgana way more.
>>737926847>Agni anon, right?I don't think so, I did make a thread about finishing ep 7 before, but I don't think I'm that anon.>recommend reading the Ep 8 mangaI do plan on reading the full manga at some point, though not anytime soon, I really liked this story.
>>737926869I blame Nanjo more, he knew Kinzo wanted to fuck his own daughter, can't believe he used to be my favorite character. Only Gohda is innocent in this story.
>>737927048is that the one that used chud or incel or something
>>737927048I think the game's message is more that no matter how awful life is, you need to keep finding the good in it, no matter how small that good is, and if the good doesn't exist, you need to create it yourself. In the ending where Ange refuses to lose hope, it's not like she just remains inside her cope land forever, she moves on and tries to help other children in her situation.
>>737925540I'll get crucified for this by Higurashi fans, but Higurashi is absolutely not as good as Umineko and is a much more immature story.That being said it has some very good parts and is still worth reading. Also despite it being a horror story (well only at the start), Higurashi is a much happier story than Umineko so dont worry too much about that (although it has some very depressing things in the earlier eps, ep 3 of Higurashi is my favourite and I think its probably the most stressful one to read).Oh also I love Umineko's ending, I know a lot of people dont like it but I felt so sad when I saw Battler finally reaching the golden land after everything that had happened.
>>737927048>affirmation of solipsismThe entire game is about exploring multiple, competing identities and the effects they have on each other. The way that 'truths' held by an individual can be incorrect and lead them to their ruin - or, be true and better off withheld in a given moment. What part of that affirms solipsism? What does that even mean?
>>737925540>first vn was katawa shoujo then 10 years later reads umineko and thinks it's goodyeah it's a nu-/v/ VN thread alright
>>737927713Well, recommend me some stuff. I'm a lazy dude, so I never tried reading longer vns, I do play some vn adjacent games from time to time like persona, phoenix right, etc.
>>737927452I honestly kinda regret not starting with Higurashi, I started feeling this way since Bern and lambda appeared and I learned they are characters from that game, I will still read it eventually.
>>737927161You should really read it soon. Umineko's a very dense work to begin with, but there are so many layers that you appreciate on a repeat read - moments you can tell a character withholds information, a scene that reads entirely differently now that you've worked out who was behind the scenes, or simply things you missed while reading all those dialogue lines that it's already absolutely worth the retreadAnd the manga is the best way to do that immediate retread - it focuses in on the characters to a greater degree, and is just exceptionally passionate, especially the episodes adapted by Natsumi Kei, Aki Taka, and Hinase Momoyama. Umineko's one of the few VNs I've read that I actually appreciate more the more I think about it
>>737928115I'm the same, I just browse F95 and came across Egg Maiden and its eggcellent
>>737928115the classics like danganronpa and steins;gate?
>>737927452It's a little brother complex. Umineko is too well regarded, so they prop themselves up around another work to stand out against the crowd. When in reality, the themes, humor, and even perspective between the two are largely the same, if not just an evolution.
>>737928168Bern and Lambda arent really from Higurashi. They were retconned to be with Sotsu and Gou anime, but otherwise they're at most implied to be Rika and Satoko. They have nothing in common with the Higurashi characters personality wise.
>>737928816I agree with the themes being similar, but I disagree with the comedy and perspective. Umineko only has a few comedic scenes that go to the absurd levels of Higurashi's. And the way the stories play with perspective is still different. In Umineko what you see is what people have agreed to say and no one has seen anything to contradict it. In Higurashi what you see is what the perspective character believes they are seeing. . There are similarities but its quite different, and Umineko uses that much more directly whereas Higurashi barely uses it past the first three episodes.
>>737929043Humors fair, you do have the Halloween party, Battler being a sleaze, and Jessica's rock concert that still show that wacky side of the series. What I meant was more the way that in so many scenes, you take a step back from a character's perspective - either knowing an outcome or just taking it in from another character's perspective and just can't help but find the whole charade hilarious. Perspective I meant more like the perspective on the world it tries to impart which weirdly enough ties into what you meant by perspective
>>737927413its young Ange and Battlers conclusion that leave the most emotional impact on most readers. I dont see hwo the average Umineko Stan sees things your way. The foster home imo is completely separate from her relation to the events. It is still not clear how she evaluates her parents after all. Batler makes a case and the shitty witch makes a case. but it is clearly framed as the ugly truth = evil and own truth = good.
>>737928952Lambda was obviously supposed to represent Takano and I refuse to believe otherwise even if that hack says it's Satoko now
>>737929350I just view them as separate characters altogether. At most I can see Bern as a bad ending Rika if she spent millions of years as a witch and lost herself before finally winning and because it took so long she no longer cared.
>>737926147i think to be fair, it's not supposed to be a symmetric comparison. magic isn't real. by default, everything always has a real explanation.it's a magician performing a trick, you know magic isn't real, but if you can't figure the trick out, you get taken in by the story being told. and umineko is vaguely about the magician's story being more important than how the trick was performed.
For all Sotsugou did wrong, I did like that you could see a little of the overlap between Satoko and Takano's obsessive qualities
There's so many moments to scratch that itch in your brain in the right spots when you're rereading. >the notes regarding the names early on and how they're made of different parts to the name, sort of letting you know it's gonna be important (not that they could translate it in a way English speakers can solve it)>knowing the culprit, pay attention to how they react in any given scene, or characters saying that Beatrice is with them right now>one of Beatrice's weaknesses is a mirror, this is because it forces Yasu to realize they're just playing pretend in a costume>Battler nails the head on certain elements when it comes to characters during his early guesses, they're just not relevant to the current mystery most of the time>once you know Kanon and Shannon are the same person, realize how people only react to one of them in a given scene if they're both in it, or how one of them will be missing if Battler is there>realizing pretty much every meta character represents specific real world elements changes the context of their scenes a fair deal, the Chiester sister being the shotguns as an exampleEtc. etc.
I WONT REREAD THIS SERIES A FIFTH TIMEI WONT REREAD THIS SERIES A FIFTH TIME
>>737928702Already play danga, except the third one. I will probably read stein's gate eventually, but I already watched the full anime when I was a teenager.
>>737928462Honestly, I'm just a bitch and am too depressed now, so I want my mood to improve before going back to see the anime/manga and other related media.
>>737929283I don't think Battler was trying to tell Ange to deny the ugly parts of reality, he was showing her that her family had some good in them, and she needs to understand that to see the whole truth, and the same goes for all the other people she will meet in the future.
>>737930245Yeah I think a lot of people realise that the family Battler shows Ange in ep 8 is delusional, but they don't seem to realise that the family shown in eps 1-7 are equally delusional since they are very heavily based on Sayo's interpretations of them.While Sayo knew them very well, Sayo is also quite crazy, very mentally ill, depressed and deeply cynical. Denying the good parts of these people is just as bad as denying the bad parts.
>>737930318And even then, you do catch some glimpses of goodness in these other games, Nanjo talks about how Kinzo felt happy when he saw his grandchildren for example.
I remember rage quitting this series after the scene where Rosa realizes that Maria is more important than gold (I think it was Episode 2) was revealed to all be fake. Back then I wasn't in the mood to read depressing shit.
>>737930408While I think that the ep 7 scene where Kinzo's incest is revealed reflects poorly on all involved. I find it interesting that Nanjo states that Kinzo was deeply troubled by his attraction to his daughter and frequently talked to him about how guilty it made him feel (I mean he could have just not raped her but you know). It does show that Kinzo wasnt just some purely selfish psycho, but rather a very disturbed and troubled individual. The most bizarre reaction though is fucking Kumasawa being like "wow him raping his daughter was really romantic". Isn't Sayo supposed like Kumasawa and see her as a mother figure, why the fuck portray her like this lmao.
>>737930458It's not necessarily fake, it's a possibility. Pieces can't make impossible moves.
>>737930458Then you didn't extrapolate and think further, and realize that the scenes of Rosa hitting Maria were also fake.
>>737930508>The most bizarre reaction though is fucking Kumasawa being like "wow him raping his daughter was really romantic".r07 trying to portray that whole thing as 'well, we don't know how they really felt towards each other' in that interview was just fucking weird. Especially coming from a guy that used to work as a social worker. You can't just write that a guy raped and impregnated his own kid, and then try to play it off like it might not have been that bad.
>>737930584>it was all fake, Maria was never abusedt. Rosa
>>737930458>>737930556Yeah its not that its fake. Its a choice that was possible for Rosa. Despite how she treats Maria and the bitterness she feels toward her, Rosa does feel some love for Maria, and if she is capable of realising this and prioritising this love she could become a better mother. But likewise its very possible she could never realise this and continue being an abusive piece of shit (this is more likely imo).
>>737926281Does it really count if both people who allegedly "beat the cat bitch" were her own pieces? Hell, technically Battler is too, she might as well be playing with herself in the answer arcs.
>>737930508What's the matter? Afraid of a little DEEPEST LOVE?
>>737930589I think he did want Kuwadorian Beatrice's feelings on the matter to be unknown. Most of the characters see it as rape (even Kinzo), Kumasawa sees it as romantic. The only perspective of Kuwadorian beatrice we see though is ep 3 when Sayo is pretending to be the same person as her which is obviously BS. That being said even if it was actually consensual (unlikely), its still abusive due to her being caged by Kinzo and kept there like a pet for her entire life. There's also the impact that being a child of incest has had on Sayo to consider too which is brutally cruel.
>>737930508It's my favorite thing about this game, I both hate and love all characters in it. Most of them are very mentally ill and troubled, but you can kinda see how they all became like that. Even with the more extreme cases like kyrie, where the game doesn't show her backstory before Rudolph, you can imagine how being born in an strict yakuza family would turn you into a psychopath, and I don't completely believe what she said about Ange in ep 7, I can imagine a feel reasons for it.
>>737927279The spin off did, using fragile masculinity instead of tsundereJacopo did nothing wrong
>>737927452The writing of Umineko is better I'd say, but I still prefer Higurashi since I liked the characters way more.
>>737930627Rosa is proof that single moms that sleep around while their children are left alone at house for days, can have a surprisingly amount of Aura.
>>737930729Ep 7 tea party isnt 100% accurate anyway. Bern's full red truth is "what is shown is the truth, is not necessarily so" or something along those lines. Although the manga at least confirms its like 95% accurate, but its very possible that conversation went very differently, or Kyrie said it in hopes that Eva wouldnt harm Ange if Kyrie died.
>>737930814Forgot to attach the second hardest umineko picture, just slightly bellow Battler punching the cat.
>>737930814It's all the rage she had to swallow since childhood. The reason she gets the black witch appellation IMO is because she has motive to murder the entire cast
>>737930814>>737930886not the real rosa, retards. made up idealistic fragment.
>>737930694We actually do see one of the red screens in ep 7 showing her being extremely uncomfortable about Kinzo's harassment, possibly the very moment he was about to rape her.
>Yasu, look, I know you're going through some shit right now, but you need to know this. Our boss, he's your father, and he raped your mother/sister. Your aunt/sister-in-law tried to kill you. Not sure why, but apparently Nanjo said we needed to chop off your baby nuts and we managed to give you a sex change on the island... yeah it was a pretty wild night. Your fiance is your cousin/nephew and you'll never be able to have kids cause of the fake pussy. Anyway, here's a bunch of guns and some bullets, have fun with that, kiddo
>>737931093Problem with that is Ep 7 is written by Touya/Battler based off Sayo's notes and writings. So its ultimately their interpretation of how she was feeling. That being said I do agree with their interpretation here, she was very likely extremely uncomfortable with the entire arrangement.
>>737930960>the real rosaYasuda's hateful perception of Rosa is not the real Rosa either."You won't find anything like that in Maria's diary."
>>737930960Rosa is a badass in multiple fragments, honestly, I would wife her and become a good dad to Maria, shame that whore was only interested in rich middle aged men.
>>737931137I thought his/her genitals were destroyed when they fell of the cliff?
Natsuhi did literally nothing wrong. She's the purest woman in the vn.
>>737931137>Look on the bright side. I know Kumasawa's got a bunch of cute dresses you can wear. Just uh, maybe wash them first
>>737931302If that happened then he'd be missing a leg, if not both.
>>737931671Why?
>>737931360>kill a servant and try to kill a baby, permanently mutilating their genitals and preventing them from having a normal life>constantly bully this kid whenever they make any mistakes around the mansionHer biggest sin is actually being so much of a trad wife simp, that she allows her husband to constantly make the worst decisions in the world. Krauss should have been the wife and Natsuhi the husband, Kinzo was right.
>>737925540is this more or less chuuni than fate/stay night? fate's writing really started getting to me after a while and i'm willing to give a chance to another long vn
>>737931815Significantly less.There are "magic" fights in it that are very cringe and chuuni but outside of that it is quite serious.
Krauss ps3 look reminds me of Jimmy, that's probably why I like him so much. Even though he's in great part to blame for his siblings being so fucked up, he's actually shown to be the least evil of them, he's so dumb he's kinda cute.
>>737932017He also feels bad for how he treated them as shown in ep 3.There's evidence of this in the fact that Rosa visits him outside of the conference, and in ep 4 when Kinzo tries to kill everyone he protects Rosa and she goes to him for protection, implying that he is the only sibling that Rosa ended up reconnecting with. He likely went out of his way to try and apologise to them despite his pride, or at least treat them better.
how many anons have read both the VN and manga? I've been revisiting this series via the manga and I actually think the manga is better (despite one extremely unfortunate fuckup in Episode 5, the rest of the series is extremely impressively adapted)
>>737929756There's also how Beatrice has seemingly random outbursts against Shkannon, but in reality it's because of specific things like Battler's promise and being unable to physically consumate a relationship.Episode 2 was such a drag when you first read it but once you know the context it doesn't feel any worse than episode 1.
>>737932202Episode 2 has to be one of the funniest chapters on reread
>>737932193I read ep 7 and 8 in the manga and I didnt like a lot of the changes. I don't really hate it or anything and I think if you really hate VNs then the manga is a fine replacement, but I also think that if youre open to VNs then the manga should be supplementary material and absolutely not the main course.
>>737932193>despite one extremely unfortunate fuckup in Episode 5What's the quick rundown?
>>737932258I've read the first six episodes but haven't started 7 yet. I'm aware that 7 and especially 8 make a lot of changes, and I read Confession otGW years ago, but I think it really is worth reading the first six. It's a really phenomenal edited down version of the story, it really smartly adapts a lot of the details so you don't really lose anything particularly important. Episode 4 in particular is massively restructured to unscramble a lot of the Ange storyline so it frontloads a lot of her stuff at the start to make you care about her more.>>737932353I've never actually used the spoiler function on 4chan before lmao, how do you do it? I'll post after.
>>737932240>>737932202Ep 2 and 5 are for me the worst episode on first read.But on reread both are really really good. I still think 2 is probably the weakest overall, but its close since 1 is so disconnected from everything else even if its kino as a standalone story.
>>737932417[ spoiler] <text> [/spoiler ] without the spaces in the brackets.
>>737932074Yeah, pride was the main thing holding him down, if he only was more humble and willing to get help from his wife, he would probably never had any money troubles to begin with. Similarly Rudolph's money issues were caused by his bad tendencies to try to cut corners and trick people, and Rosa was just a retard. Eva's money issue is the only one that wasn't totally her fault, her and hideyoshi were just a bit naive.
>>737931940>Significantly less.i'll definitely give it a chance then, thanks anon
>>737932417Control + S, type what's going to be spoiled in-between.
>>737932485Hope you enjoy it.It split into 8 episodes, and episode 1 is almost completely free of chuuni cringe. so your first 10-20 hours will be fine at least.
So why does Genji also says he's furniture so much? None of the other servants say that, I understand the reason for Shannon/Kanon, but not his.
>>737932580Never outright stated there's three possibilities imo.1: He sees himself as less important than other people due to his devotion to Kinzo and means it literally as in he has no place in society compared to his betters.2: He is a eunuch somehow and therefore fits shkannon's definition.3: Furniture means non reproductive rather than no genitals and he is unmarried and not interested in having kids (either due to how seriously he treats his job, or he could possibly be gay and in a one sided love with Kinzo or something and thus voluntarily celibate)I think its partially up to reader interpretation though.
>>737931162Maybe Maria didn't write about it either.
Any good vns with fun protagonists like Battler? I think it was greatly in part because of him that I liked umineko so much. I usually hate most anime protagonists.
>>737932193Episode 8 is a perfect adaptation in my mind. Natsumi loved every second of this series and you can feel that poured into every page. The huge attention paid to expressions for each character, the hilarious all out magic battles, the tender moments toward the end, the structural changes to how the final chapter is paced - it's perfect.There are a ton of authors across the whole span, some better than others. I wouldn't recommend it all on a first read because I don't think any of them push you as hard to think about the construction of each room as well as the original text, and there are a few misses in characterization and subtlety but on a repeat read a lot of it's hard to beat. Plus you'll know when to play the right banger from the OST as you're reading if you've run through it before.The ongoing stageplay is fantastic too, definitely worth a look.
>>737932460>>737932505Fuck I forgot to spoiler tag the imageEpisode 5 is fairly infamous for being a bit confusing, because Battler is able to see Shannon and Kanon in the same place and time, especially with Erika around, even though she's a detective. The explanation for how this is possible is that Battler's perspective is no longer objective in Episode 5, but it's still very much told from his perspective, so he can lie about things, and we are none the wiser.The manga fucks this up unfortunately. EP8 tries to justify this, but in EP5 itself, they make it very clear that Erika herself sees both of them next to each other, it's just undeniable. You could try to argue that Piece Erika doesn't see it, and Meta Erika does, because Meta Erika doesn't notice the discrepancy, but I think this doesn't work as an explanation because it's simply out of character for her. Umineko has a couple handwavey solutions to things but making it undeniable that Erika saw both of them really fucks this scene, which is frustrating because otherwise it really has been consistently incredible at maintaining the rules and adapting the mystery so smartly for a new medium.
>>737925540the last 2 episodes ruin everything. the plot of the answers arc sucks and is carried by the new characters who are fun. the solution is retarded and unfun and the message of the story is outright evil~i think higurashi is a lot better but the mystery will probably bee too easy to solve after reading umineko. it also drops the ball near the end but it doesn't feel as offensive as umineko's ending. if you didn't do it for umineko, i recommend taking lots of notes and trying to connect the dots like a conspiracy schizo, it's the correct way of reading higurashi. (not umineko though, R07 tells you to do that then insults you for doing it) if you want something unrelated and more lighthearted, try 428: Shibuya Scramble. it uses real people instead of anime art and i was put off by it at first but it's really good actually
>>737933116Its the other way around. Umineko's last 2 eps wrap up everything perfectly (even if I disagree with Ryukishi on some of his messaging) and fit with the earlier episodes just fine on reread.Higurashi's last 2 episodes devolve into loony tunes cartoon villain with laughable nonsense.
it's incredible that higurashi brainlets are so prolific even todaygo reread chunks of higurashi and remember all the abhorrently written shit you wiped from your memory, you fucking won't cowards
>>737933182No, you must understand the importance of having Irie talk about how he wants to see an 11 year old girl in bondage gear riding a toy horse. Its very important to the plot and very well written you see.
>>737933182reading the VNs for the first time is unfortunate because wow you can really fucking tell this series was not planned anywhere near rigorously enough
Did Battler cuck Erika?
>>737933237it's not a big problem if this had any kind of meaning or theming behind it but irie is a literal nothing character who goes nowhere and says this shit for no reason at all, many such cases
No series infighting. Both are fun
>>737933289Irie was intended to be the villain when Ep 3 was written. BT tard wrangled Ryukishi though and prevented it, sadly he couldnt prevent the everything in the mystery except hinamizawa disease (the only good part).
>>737933237This but unironically
>>737933305Higurashi definitely has its high points but Minagoroshi and especially Matsuribayashi make it impossible for me to take anyone who calls it as good as Umineko seriously. Umineko's ending definitely has issues but I cannot think of a character as damaging to an otherwise good story as Hanyuu is. It's impressive how much she ruins the series for almost no benefit.
>>737933289Anyway, both Higurashi and Umineko have massive pacing problems. However it manifests in different ways. Outside of a few magic fights, every Umineko scene is necessary to the plot, however they are padded to hell and back with shitty prose (Tsumari spam), or just drag on too long and repeat themselves.On the other hand, Higurashi is padded with worthless filler scenes that add literally nothing to the plot and only serve to make Otaku clap like seals at shit like maid cafes or crappy jokes.
>>737933334He's a bitch who is refusing to write Ciconia because he selectively chose to care about one war out of many he ignored that go on every day years prior because they weren't shown on his news on his island nation. You'd believe that would be the kind of topic he'd touch on within Ciconia as well but alas
>>737933407I agree with this wholeheartedly.Matsuribayashi is so fucking bad its unreal. The second half of Minagoroshi is trash too (and the first half is poorly paced). I think Hanyuu adds basically nothing to the series and detracts from it. I also think Takano does the same and the series did not need a villain or big government conspiracy. Ooishi being an unwitting villain who accidentally perpetuates Hinamizawa syndrome and paranoia with his Sonozaki derangement syndrome would have been enough.The only positives I can give Takano is her backstory is the only good thing in Matsuribayashi other than "you destructive version" and that she acts as a good foil for Rika.
>>737933476Even if Russia/Ukraine ends tomorrow you know he would refuse to write Ciconia over Iran or Gaza. And if they ended then tensions between India/Pakistan or some shit. He will just find some war in the news and use it as an excuse.
>>737930318>>737930245It's best exemplified in Eva. She was abusive toward Angie full stop. Now did she have reasons perhaps even good reasons to do so? Quite possibly yes. I mean at minimum factually she could have fucked with her more by reveal Battler being alive.
>>737933237Why yes, yes it is
>>737933407Hanyuu is evil nigger how many times must this be demonstrated for people to understand. Every plot hole you think she has is solved by her not wanting Rika to win. This is double confirmed eyeb R07 outright says Hanyuu and Eua re the same person
>>737933694Eva knew Battler was alive?
>>737934247Yes. Episode 3 is written by Battler (well Touya) when he believed she was the culprit.She got in contact with him after realising he was likely the writer and showed him the diary and told him what happened. She asked him if he wanted to meet Ange but he declined and felt it was better if she didn't know and could hopefully move on iirc.
Bern hates Ange because in one Kakera Ange spilled juice on Rika
>>737934323I see, thanks.I think I would be way more willing to sympathize with Eva if that line where she tells Ange, she considered cutting her arms and legs to whore her in a warehouse, didn't exist.
>>737934193nice cope. She would be a far better character if she was an antagonist. Unfortunately, she's not, and no, Ryukishi07 went out of his way to confirm that Hanyuu is NOT Eua, as is evident by the fact that both coexist simultaneously and are opposed to each other.
>>737934649Where do I find a gf like Beatrice?
>>737934701All you have to do is push a child off a cliff and destroy their genitals.
>>737925540I'm finishing chapter 8 so I'll probably open a thread a few days from now on when I'm done.And that's it. I'm out without reading a single thing.
>>737934649Italian women DON'T look like this.
>>737935291her hair looka lika da spaghetti
I think I decided on playing Fata Morgana next, since it's apparently somewhat similar to umineko and has good reviews. I was also thinking about playing muv luv, but apparently there's a dozen vns you need to read to get to the good one.
>>737934323I think this is manga retcon
>>737935420It is yeah. But its one of the manga only things that actually makes a lot of sense and doesnt really contradict the story at all.
>>737935646Beato's Golden hairy witch pussy...
>>737933476I thought he refused to finish Ciconia because of Covid?
>>737935715No, it was because of Russia/Ukraine.
>>737925540After finishing it I thought it was a masterpiece and a wild ride. But looking back on it it's way too fucking long and the last chapter is just ryukishi being a redditor fighting strawmen. I'd say it goes downhill in the answer arcs but the question arcs are kino.
>>737929350It's definitely Takano, Lambda's backstory coincides with Takano's arc. It doesn't make much sense for her to represent Satoko except for her being friends with Bern.
>>737926281But that's just Battler. He even dyed his hair brown. Look at that strand of red.
>あんたは下腹部に大きな裂傷を負っていながらも、奇跡的に生きていたんだ。>You had a large laceration on your lower abdomen, yet you miraculously survived.Cope
Should I play the remaster of fata morgana or the og? Also, is the translation good besides that one meme line?
>>737931302See >>737936631
I like Erika way more than is healthy for me. It's been like a decade now and I'm still crazy about her.
>>737936665I havent played it yet so im prob not helpful. but the tsundere being butchered line is in some side story and not the main story. That being said afaik the translator is a troon so I wouldnt expect it to be free of "creative writing" in favour of troonism or communism or some bullshit.
>>737936631Hmm? Where is this from? Does it really imply that the genital mutilation thing was done on purpose and not by falling of the cliff? Cause if so, I don't know what to think about it, why would they do that? I could see Kinzo doing it to make him more similar to Beatrice if he was a man, which would make Kinzo even worse, but Genji was hiding Yasu's identity, wasn't he? Or was the surgery done as soon as he was born before the accident?
>>737926281>>737926659he is the real Battler that looks back at the whole thing rationally and unburdened after the memory loss/personality changethese last eps are him working with Ikuko writing """fanfics""", which are actually closer to the truth than Yasu's delusions
Ok let's settle this once and for all, is this a tranny game?
>>737936691Top 10 cuckquean characters for sure.
>>737936914No because the tranny in it is a delusional mentally ill psychopath that wanted to murder a bunch of people and 41%s. In other words its too accurate about trannies to be a tranny game.
>>737936914>>737937092I used to be an incel chud before playing umineko, but now I want a cute inbreed trans wife like Beatrice.
>>737937249Inbred*
>>737936914It appeals to that group and the author is definitely a bit fucked in the head, but it isn't
>>737935386Morgana is nice, but the ending is cringe garbage.
>muh tranniesSayo is a biological female.
watch
>>737936836If they did it on purpose specifically so Lion could never have kids (Beatrice's line could never continue), that'd be the most fucked up twist. It'd make more sense than the magic cliff, but completely flip the backstory over like a table.
>>737937584I really doesn't matter either way.
3 > 8 > 2 > 4 > 1 > 6 > 5 > 7
>>737936914100%
>>737937694Why the hell would they do that? The only reason I can see, would be to prevent any further rape inbreeding, but Genji was already hiding the kid and Kinzo is too old to get anyone pregnant anyways.Idk, this all makes Genji seem straight up evil to me, instead of just being complicit. I honestly like their genitals being destroyed by cliff-kun way better.
I will never understand what do you see on this vn. There are better anime stories to obsess over and to be an autist. There are better mystery writings, literally anything is better. R07 writing isn't even good by anime standards.I assume you are a bunch of discord autists spamming threads but I don't understand why do you obsess over this series and not any other of the 1000000 anime stories out there.Higurashi and umineko are the worst writing works I've ever read. Ok,maybe not the worst, but it's up there. It reinforces my believe that many people are cattle and enjoy slurping up garbage.No, seriously, I read them and they are bad, I read them. I don't know what you see in them.
>>737938669Like, not even the character designs are that good or outstanding, it's like those bland designs you see in some anime as background characters.
>>737930245then why is his fate so cynical ? he ultimately takes on Anges solipsism or lives out the live of a proto corpse of what he used to be. i find this deeply despicable. it would have been better if he never escaped the island then my point would not be valid. but the fact that the ending is the way it is deeply affirms my reading over yours. maybe Ange moves on and overcomes but the central message remains. affirmation of sollipsism.
>>737929756the Yasu thing is just dishonest imo it is presenting itself on false pretenses and expectst you to look for arbitrary inconsistencies. combined with the meta narrative about Beatrice being her own entity separate from both real persons representing her in past and present. its just a mess. enjoyable to read but not impressive or rewarding to solve.
>>737932425isnt episode 2 the one were the corpses are discovered in the garage ? most memorable scene imo from the whole questions arc.
>>737932894Raging Loop He is not that funny but he is also no wimp anime protag. It is quite implied that he fucks. and the showdown with the fatso is quite entertaining.
>>737937569cope you weeb. the slide with the brother is unironically one of greatest kinos in VN history.
>>737939163That's ep 1. Ep 2 is the church halloween party.
>>737938669there is a reason behind the relatively recent revival of interest in umineko and ryukishi in the west after years of people shitting on episode 8 that coincidentally coincided with the modern troon epidemic
>>737934694Nigger play the fucking Gacha or just read Causality of the Annulus.Hanyuu is just straight up Eua larping ss her other half.Why the fuck would you comment when you aren't reading all material available. If you don't like the gacha that's fine, but there's no reason for us to speak if you don't acknowledge it as canon
>>737936914You have to have a base to transition from, and Sayo themself does not know what they are. They didn't choose to be raised as a woman, Nanjo decided that. It cannot be meaningfully equated.
>>737939958NTA but most WTC fans are trying to pretend sotsugou never happened, yet alone engage with extended universe gachashit.
>>737938669The music is amazing.
Are you guys serious? Umineko is written for literal retards where every 1+1=? tier mystery has a 50-minute preamble where the witch literally cackles the whole time and says nothing. I AM FURNITURE, yoi'll read that like probably a hundred thousand times. The bulk of the entire thing is filler and you just hold skip to get past the insultingly retarded attempts at reasoning between oh, another hour of cackling, huh? VNfags should read a novel one time to see that what they consider as good writing is much worse than even a children's book for elementary schoolers.
>>737940226It's almost like the story is a story and the characters talking for 50 minutes is the part that you're supposed to enjoy, not skip. It's not a mystery anon, the entire "mystery" is "the servants did it and lied about everything". It's a love story.
>>737925540Based. It was kino. Up untill this day I have no idea why mysteryfags and retarded japs hate last EP.t. muramasaGOD
There's a war going please understand cough cough I still have some of that coronavirus thing.Now where did I put that draft for Silent Hill f2...
Which version of Umineko should I read. I see the original with crazy bad art, some kind of remaster and a PS3 version that has voices?
because of this work, I met amazing people, none of which are tranniesI think the author deserves absolutely nothing in all honesty, and these works are just a fun read, nothing more. They have good atmosphere, some characters I love, but that's about it. I liked higanbana because it was short, very simple and funny and it had a good atmosphere.
>Wow I love this suave man, I'm going to show that I'm the perfect match for him by using my intelligence to make his shady business dealings successful>wtf he's going for some dumb bimbo? Why didn't he choose me, I shouldn't have to confess my love>Clearly she's putting up an act, there's no way she's that simple>I will now spend the rest of my life seething over his choice in women and not move onWhat was her problem?
>>737940704The latter is usually the recommended one if you can grab it, although the artwork and intro videos are full of fucking spoilers. Gets even worse with the intro to the switch version that includes the extra short shitty fan service chapters.
Surely mangagamer won't release RGD's seasons yearly, surely there'll be a 2/3 months interval at most... Right?
>>73794070407th Mod is probably the best if your gnosis isn't high enough to go with the original. Which describes a frogposter.
>>737940793That's what they said, couple of months
>>737940298It's some of the worst-written, filler-laden trash I've read, and I read through the entirety of Fate.
>>737940207I agree, the music is good, but I'm not complaining about the music. I'm talking about the story and characters.I've read and seen tons of vn and anime and manga and R07 isn't a good writer.Like, if you can't see it you are either cattle npc or you don't read at all.Like seriously go read any mystery novel at all, it's not a new genre, there are tons of mystery stories out there. Umineko and higurashi are trash. I kinda agree with literal troons being the ones liking them because they are mentally ill, like the other anon says.
Witch Hunt translation or nah?
>>737940704You can torrent umipro on nyaa without having to do the anitpiracy code autism the trannies who made the mod want you to jump through for morality's sake. That's the version with the most "features". If that's too much work just buy the steam version and use 07th mod, then choose either OG art or PS3 sprites, whichever you prefer (mangagamer looks like shit).
>>737941095R07 writes horrible prose but I think you are delusional if you think people like Higurashi and Umineko for their mysteries.People like Higurashi either for the horror, or because they like the characters a lot for some reason I personally can't fathom.People like Umineko because they like the ideas it goes for with regards to reader interpretation and roles of readers and writers in interpreting stories and such, as well as enjoying the characterisation of some characters which is actually quite good. The mystery aspect in both games is dogshit, but Umineko even goes out of its way to say the mystery doesnt fucking matter halfway through anyway.
>>737925540wanna play it but any reason why it has the tranny tag? my curator who spots this shits says nothing about it
>>737925540Wasn't there a tripfag shitposting here with avatars from this game, 15 years or so ago?
>>737941095I'm gonna have to agree with the other guy that the mystery isn't the point of Umineko or you would just fucking stop reading after episode 1mystery is just a backdrop and it's really something else entirely, like that anon said it tells you as many times as it wants that the mystery itself doesn't matter.
>>737941473>>737941582Im not saying people are there for the mysteries, I'm telling that I don't understand why people are there at all, the story is horrible and the characters are horrible and the designs aren't even good, it screams MID MID MID. The horror isn't good either.They aren't good stories and they don't have good presentation. I think they just picked a random story and made a cult about it.Like it saddens me to see so many people liking this horrible story because it tells me that most people have no standards at all and it reinforces my mentality that most people are cattle that don't know what they want and that they don't have the mental capacity to see the good and bad of things.
>>737941560It has a trans character who is severely mentally ill and important to the plot.
>>737941664Or alternatively, you're just too stupid to get it.It saddens me when I see people genuinely too retarded to "get" a simple video game being confused when people like it, and somehow projecting that it's the rest of the world that is wrong. Umineko attracts those retards, unfortunately.The discourse about Umineko was civil when the collective IQ of /v/ was higher (circa 2013), but since then the deluge of 80 IQ dumbass means you've got every thread with at least a dozen mongoloids "not getting it" and lashing out at everything they can see. I don't discuss with /v/ about Umineko anymore, it's a sad reminder of how low the IQ (and agressive the people with low IQ are) has fallen.
>>737941664idk what to tell you. I find the ideas in Umineko very interesting and it appeals to me. I also think some characters are very well written, I find the scenes of Maria being abused by Rosa and neglected to be extremely compelling for example.Higurashi I like a lot less but I think the second half of ep 1 is genuinely good horror, and the teppei murder sequence in ep 3 is a really really solid sequence that was thoroughly gripping.
>>737941878So it's not propaganda right?
I feel like I missed the right time to play Umineko. It's not even that it's too EOP-coded, I could just play it in Japanese, but at this point I'm too spoiled through osmosis and the overall theme/vibe/setting doesn't appeal to me that much. The OPs are bangers though. I could read Higurashi, though, that has the more interesting setting for me.
>>737942059Its not pro trans, but the trans character is written to be a deeply flawed and bad person but is presented quite sympathetically. It is certainly not pro trans ideology as it was written in like 2008. That might be too much for you depending on your tolerance. Unfortunately despite the obvious flaws of said trans character, the trannies in real life have latched onto it and pretend they are perfect and self insert as the character making discussion on more left leaning platforms impossible.
>>737941959>y-you didn't get it!the last cope of uminegros
>>737925701nah ikuko is very obviously supposed to be yasu, its why her name is a play on 19 while tohya is 18.the ending is really all about yasu trying to atone like battler said after her suicide attempt left battler all fucked up, at least thats what I think.It's the only way I can rationalize featherine needing berns help to see something that she should already be able to see if she was truly the godlike being she claimed to be, because if she was created as some ascended identity of yasu she wouldn't be able to visualize the miracle fragment that lion would exist in, since they are, according to lion and will, opposite sides of the same coin>>737941664I genuinely would like to hear what you think are better characters. r07 sucks cock at writing good prose like other anons said above, but his characters are exceptional and arguably unrivaled in the VN space. He over explains a lot, which, granted, he probably has to do since I've seen what his jp audience bitches about and its quite literally middleschool reading comp tests and that plays a big part in it too, so I don't blame him for trying to beat certain elements of messaging over you with a hammer
Uncineko
>>737942204I dont think Ikuko is Yasu personally. I think Yasu died and the metaworld is Battler working through his memories as he gradually reads through Yasu's writings and comes to terms with everything.As for Umineko beating you over the head, it does. While the VN leaves a lot of things up to interpretation, it beats you over the head with the themes. Somehow despite this a decent chunk of people still dont understand it and think the message of the story is to never accept the truth when its actually more Ryukishi's obsession with the idea of there being no unforgiveable sin being offputting to them (although this is less obvious if you havent played Higurashi).
>>737941959There is nothing to get the game is shit and has bad writing
>>737942068Almost everyone here missed the right time to play it. Because the right time to play it was a singular window of opportunity: when it was coming out. Of course the last chapter dominates discussion. Of course you can't elude spoilers.You can't even type "shkanontrice" anymore because it became a spoiler and no longer a hypothesis.
Umineko cracked my shell...
>>737937970>Idk, this all makes Genji seem straight up evil to me, instead of just being complicit.Was there a single thing that Genji has done in relation to Yasu that could be considered good?
>>737945615I think Genji did genuinely care about Yasu, but he was too compromised by his feelings toward Kinzo that led to him pushing Yasu into learning the truth in an attempt to create a perfect ending. In reality what he created was Kinzo forgiving himself at the expense of Yasu's mental state.
>>737945718Did Genji believe in the Golden Land? Because that would explain why he seemed to have no idea with Yasu's rapid mental decline and desire to murder the family.
>>737942129>the trannies in real life have latched onto it and pretend they are perfect and self insert as the character making discussion on more left leaning platforms impossible.What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>737946004 There are actual trannies on social media that self insert as beatrice, some of them havent even read the story .There's also places where you have to they/them Lion and stuff.
>>737940367What didn't japs like about it?
What is Umineko's message? I liked it fine enough, but the way some people talk about it makes it seem like if you didn't get something very specific out of it, you enjoyed it wrong.
>>737940704Op here, I played through the umineko project.
>>737946312Basically don't speculate about people you don't know. No one in the general public knows what happened on the island, yet based on very little or sometimes no evidence, they will concoct wild stories to paint people as crazy mass murderers. People do that all the time irl with true crime btw.That's the main "moral of the story".But there's other stuff about how what the writer intends is different to how the reader perceives the story which is what all the stuff with featherine and the witches is about.
you cant say the prose is bad unless you read it in Japanese btw
Are these threads always this full of shitposters or did I just get unlucky when I made it?
>>737946732While that's a fair comment normally. There's voice acting and he overuses tsumari so much it became a meme for a reason. It was prob a meme in Japan too because around ep 7 or 8 he starts trying to throw some synonyms in there.>>737946802This one isnt even that bad. Its usually worse in my experience.
>>737946312>What is Umineko's message?It's okay if your family is a bunch of pieces of shit, because they probably gave an orphan a piece of candy once. Without love it can't be seen and all that.
>>737946312denial isnt just a river in egyp
Which sprites and bg should I use for higurashi?
>>737946975I think the PS3 ones are the best if you want something modern but not awful remake territory. The original are unironically pretty sovlful because they have a lot of different poses and expressions
>>737946975Sprites: PS3 if you want something easier to look at. OG if you want the real experience.BG: OG just fits the story better imo, even if clashes with the cleaner sprites.
>>737946312Hopeless pessimism leads to suicide. Thinking happy thoughts helps you escape negative spirals and eases the pain of loss. You can't bring back the dead, but you don't have to live every day longing to join them.
>>737946312Truth is what you want it to be, and if that "fake truth" genuinely makes you live a better life, it's fine.
>>737946312Dunno what the moral of the story was, but my takeaway from it is:>Without love it cannot be seen.
>>737946141People keep repeating this but all it means is there are Japs that got filtered and buttmad when they read it just like you can see in these threads. It's still incredibly popular over there with sustained entries into Comiket, and their new stage play sells out every ticket they have.
>>737946802It's a mixed bag, if it gets derailed with tranny shit that isn't supported by the manga the author made to answer questions then it usually ends up like this.
>>737947025>>737947032Yeah, the expressions seem more fitting and diverse in the og sprites, but it's impossible to take them seriously.
>>737948546You'd be surprised how quickly they grow on you (or maybe not considering you're reading this game for 100+ hours) but some of the softer expressions can get me pretty bad in the more tragic moments of the story, and the way their faces twist as the story gets more cruel and chuuni is greatNone of the other sprites really nail the expressions and you get used to all of them the same
>>737948480By "tranny shit", do you mean sharty types bringing up their obsession unprompted? Cause the thread was going fine until a single dude made a bait question, and then a bunch of other retards spawned out of nowhere to spam their favorite buzzword. This is my first umineko thread, but it's obvious that this series also has its own schizo haters.
>>737948780Yeah, I didn't like any of the alternative sprites as much as I liked the ps3 umineko ones, so I guess I'll go for the og look.
Don't expect much from this VN. It pretends to be more than it is. The mystery and the solution do NOT check out at all.
>>737948941Yeah, that. That happens a lot.
>>737949212They do though.
Opinions on George?
>>737948456had their theories said by goats and got really mad
>>737950539King
>>737950539Gigachad who had negative rizz in his youth but overcame it with pure devotion to his furniture.
She's here.
>>737950539if he just had sex he could've saved millions of people from reading Umineko
>>737950539Ate the letter
>>737933237That's very important though?
>>737948480>it gets derailed with tranny shitGod forbid people talk about "tranny shit" when one of the main characters is a tranny
>>737950539>knows his girlfriend is a dude>jokes about wanting grandchildren
>>737952514I see we chose acting retarded today. Daring.
>>737925540Why do you trannies always want to talk about the worst garbage in the medium?
>>737953047Why are you reading something like Umineko if you're going to cry about tranny shit?
>>737940793is RGD good? RGD and Ciconia are the only r07 I havent read yet. Waiting for Ciconia to get an update...
Umineko is probably the most female-brained story I've ever read. Is Ryukishi trans or smth?
>>737953186>Is Ryukishi trans or smth?Ironically, people claimed that BT was trans
>>737953220What's ironic about that...?
>>737953178RGD is fantastic
>>737953186Ryukishi seems to be a feminist if anything
>>737953220I've heard enough made up bullshit about BT that could fit a whole umineko chapter at this point. He was just a fucking programmer but you have people swearing up and down that he was the ghost writer for the entire series or the chief editor or something.
I'm glad that italian faggot died or something. A few years ago it was impossible to say Beatrice/Yasu was a tranny without him appearing out of nowhere and derailing the thread or attacking everyone. Now people can mock Yasu in peace.
>>737953409He was right.
>>737953507Right about being retarded.
>>737953696Being forced into a gender doesn't make you trans. If I chopped off your dick & balls and raised you as a girl, it wouldn't mean you are trans.
>>737953946If you were raised as a girl, but then decided to live as a boy, despite believing you are a girl, does that count as trans squared?
>>737953405afaik he didnt even have that much input on Umineko but he did have quite a bit on Higurashi. People who hate the answer arcs just assign god status to him since he died right before ep 6 iirc, and they assume he was tard wrangling ryukishi from making something they dislike. At most his death probably made Ryukishi a bit more bitter which is why he can be quite snarky toward mysteryfags in answers, I doubt it changed the entire plot.
>Beatrice said that Kanon had a micropenis that would never be able to satisfy Jessica>George knew that Shannon had fake tits and a dickThe phrase 'Without Love It Can't Be Seen' refers to Shannon "pussy"
>>737954050Am I able to live as a boy if I have my dick & balls chopped off and was never raised as a boy? Yasu does not neatly fit into the transgender label, since they are too confused and mentally ill to even have a coherent identity in the first place.
>>737953946I agree with that. That's not what the Italian faggot argued. He was in complete denial about Yasu, saying that he was a biological woman and, even though it is kind of ambiguous in the VN, he didn't accept other alternatives nor accepted the manga version either.It was like reading a manifesto from someone desperately trying to prove he is not gay. Those were funny days.
Yasu isnt trans because Kinzo wouldnt rape a male
>>737955470That's what I figured too so I feel like many people looked into this far too deeply.
>>737955470Even if Yasu was biologically female, they would still fall as some kind of gender confusion/trans shit due to Kanon.
>>737955571shes just perflt
>>737955470explain Leon then
>>737951223AIEEEEEEEE
I love the way teh author uses diferent povs and third person to tell the story and the misteriesI hate that the novel could cut like 50% of the text and nothing would be lost and that the ending made me feel absolutely nothingAlso I hate battler, but he is an amazing written character I just can't stand himI have a very love hate relationship wth this piece of work
>>737955568>Cirno poster is stupidLike clockwork.
>>737950351You must be mentally challenged to think so
>>737955470>Kinzo wouldnt rape a maleI wouldn't put it past Kinzo.
Trannies and bio male shitters still haven't refuted that btw
>>737955470Kinzo never raped Yasu though.
is Yasu's gender supposed to be one of those catboxes?
>>737957879Kinzo didn't give the baby away because he was afraid of raping it.
"Yes I raped my daughter a little but I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER rape my son I promise" - Kinzo
>Kinzo will rape Yasu if he finds out he exists, so I'll put him in a maid outfit and make him Kinzo's personal maid he surely wont rape
>>737958482Kinzo didn't know the baby didn't died from the fall
>Kinzo will automatically rape any child that comes within 5 feet of him>but he never raped any of his other children>especially not his youngest that was closest in age to the one he did rape>or his grandchildren>especially not the suspiciously blonde grandchild born to his non blonde son and daughter in law
>>737958739That doesn't matter. He knew the baby existed or else he wouldn't have been able to give the baby to Natsuhi.
You dumb motherfuckers have terrible memories
Why did Ange write yaoi fan fiction about her own brother and relatives?
>>737959114thats just what teenage girls do
>>737925540yesterday I made a thread about tsukihime.Found out you can play not only it but also fate stay night and the lain psone vn trough the browser:https://tsukiweb.holofield.fr/https://fatestaynight.vnovel.org/https://3d.laingame.net/game.html
>>737925540English mystery VNs on Steam from the past few years:>Beyond R: Rule Ripper>Birth ME Code >Blankspace>Clean Slate>CORPSE FACTORY>Decide 4 God (Out now in full 1.0)>Detective Instinct: Farewell, My Beloved>The Divine Deception>Entropic Float: This World Will Decay And Disappear>The Game of Fourtune>Head AS Code (remake)>Look Inside>Methods: The Canada Files>Methods: The Detective Competition>The Price of Flesh>Quantum Suicide>Reaplaced>Shards of Chaos>The Specters Desire>SYNESTHESIA>Tead>Thief's Roulette>Whispering Memories>The Zodiac TrialEnglish mystery VNs on Steam that are to-be-released:>The Lost Delinquents of Rollings High>Motives: The Ultimate Problem>NO MORE WORK FOR ITO>Ubel>Underground22>The Wonderland Killings
>>737959279what about Japanese mystery VNson Steam from the past few years?
>>737959498>solves the entire game>does not elaborate>leaves
>>737940769This is literally the same nice guy mentality most men have.
>>737940769It's dumb bitch genetics. A better question is why did her dumbass husband go along with her plan to murder the entire family?
>>737959498>looks like Saber>TRAP>voiced by SaberMy king
I'm only here because I want to fuck Natsuhi, that is all
>>737956332Poor Battler, he's funny.>I love the way teh author uses diferent povs and third person to tell the story and the misteriesBut yes, same. Gotta love writing from different PoVs, though personally I don't like much third person narration instead, particularly in a VN, it's fine in a book tho since I can't otherwise see things like locations, items, and character poses/expressions.
>>737946312>What is Umineko's message? Yeah Hitler is bad, but have you considered why he was bad in the first place?
>>737959159You got Kagetsu Tohya available or nah?
>>737941560umineko is the gayest (literally) and most disappointing shit i've ever read in my life.there are almost no straight characters in it.the main girl is trans, the protagonist falls for the main girl so he's gay. there's a an old gay billionaire who's old friend is his live-in doctor and it's implied they are gay. the old billionaire is also obsessed with the trans main girl. there's a trans demon who's identical with his sister. the secondary protagonist is a lesbian. there's a man dating a transgirl (its the alternate personality of the main trans protagonist) and notices nothing wrong even though they're having sex so he must also be gay.there are a bunch of lesbian witches and lesbian demons.the main character who eventually falls for the gay trans main girl is guilted for not being explicitly gay until falling for the trans protagonist and turning gay is framed as win.
why did beatrice jump off the motorboat
>>737961526dragonknight likes to keep it realistic
>>737961603but why
>>737961774i don't know, werner herzog
>>737925540Read some actual big brain vns
>>737925540The one thing I didn't like was Ange nor Yasu/Battler not having biological kids to continue the bloodline. I don't care, I just wanted them to have kids, they deserve it. Ange could've fucked her bodyguard and Battler with Featherine.
>>737960710no idea what it was so i looked it up. i dont think it does but this is what the tsukihime browser version has in extra. it also has a very handy flowcharts showing all the paths and ending you unlock
>>737962587>and Battler with Featherine>with FeatherineAnon...
>>737962587>family consists of abusive assholes and lots of mental illnessGee, I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to continue the bloodline
Higurashi > Umineko
>>737961321>the secondary protagonist is a lesbianNo? Ange is a mentally ill brocon and her biggest regret in life is that her brother wasn't around to fuck her big ass.
>>737963480why is she so horny for the daggers?
>>737962710Sorry I don't remember her name>>737963269To show that they can make a family full of joy and love
>>737940139oh my god someone who's fucking honestgender is an extremely relevant theme to this story. It does not make it a trans narrative, and it does not make BEATRICE a trans character. It's more complicated than that, and anyone who claims it's a trans narrative is stupid.
>>737963916Enj is horny for many things, but especially her brother.This bitch probably shoved her hairpins in her holes since they were a gift from Battler.
>>737950539the only character whose flaws (paedophilia, grooming, emotional neglect and abuse) are not sufficiently addressed by the narrative, because R07 is terrible with remembering character ages and doesn't remember that George has been attracted to Shannon to the point of jealousy since he was at least 17 and she was at least 10. If George was the same age as Jessica and Battler, he'd honestly be fine, but he's fucking 23 in 1986 and as a result, the gravity of his grooming is not sufficiently addressed.
>>737963347vrvke
>>737961321>there's a an old gay billionaire who's old friend is his live-in doctor and it's implied they are gay>old gay billionaire>life is literally defined by how he can't keep himself away from some blonde white bitch pussy>can't stop crying about it when it's gone>they are gayOne bitch having a major identity crisis doesn't make everyone around her/him/it/whatever a faggot. The only people I know who try so hard to assume faggotry in everything are big prancing fairies themselves.
>>737964541>that picholy fucking kek
What is the best episode and why is it 3
>>737963946>To show that they can make a family full of joy and loveI don't think you can "Without love it can't be seen" your way out of generational trauma when neither person involved ever got any kind of mental help and already seem to believe that schizo delusions are a good thing.
>>737964541>but he's fucking 23 in 1986 and as a result, the gravity of his grooming is not sufficiently addressed.Shannon is 19 dude, there's like a four year difference between them
>>737966286George doesn't know this. He thinks there's a seven year difference, not a four year one. This means that, as a 17 year old, he was jealous over someone he believed to be a 10 year old girl.
Why do zoomers care about this age shit?
>>737966427Because unlike older generations, zoomers actually think its wrong that the world is run by pedophiles
>>737966427More livid about poor georgie than the characters with actual body counts
>>737966360Is this about the letter shit? Because it's never actually said if he hid the letter or not.
>>737964541>the only character whose flaws (paedophilia, grooming, emotional neglect and abuse) are not sufficiently addressed by the narrativeThe same narrative that crawls up its own ass to portray Kinzo as some kind of sympathetic old grandpa who's only crime was that he loved too much.
>>737957021Oh ok
>>737966582>zoomers actually think its wrong that the world is run by pedophiles
>>737967038this is the kind of person who gets arrested later for turning out to be an actual pedo
>>737967038Genuine creeps. Presenting a false front and sense of safety so they can get closer to real kids
>>737967038>any girl under 5'7Does this mfer live in a land of giants or something? The average height for an adult woman is like 5'2 or 5'4
>>737966360>He thinks there's a seven year difference, not a four year oneIt's maybe a bit unintentionally weird since the writer wanted him to have liked her for a long time and didn't think about the full implications (I certainly didn't get the impression that he wanted to imply that george serially targeted children), but even then a seven year difference really isn't that much or that uncommon in the grand scheme of things. Fast forward the relationship a few years and even today no one's going to be shocked at a 25 year old woman with a 32 year old man.
>>737967038This guy is setting up to be trolled by half of my OCs. Even my canonically 18yo girl likes plush dolls, "cute things", and dressed up as a magical girl despite not being one purely for the sake of kawaii.
>>737940769She’s a yandere written realistically
>>737958882Genji put the baby in the orphanage to prevent Kinzo from raping her.
>>737967983And he should have sent her faraway instead of bringing her back to that mental house
>>737946312When you can't do shit about something, it is better to cope than to seethe.
>>737967983You repeating that doesn't change the fact that if that had been the real reason then he would have never allowed Kinzo to be around the child in the first place. Because had Natsuhi not tried to kill the baby, it would have grown up in the house as a member of the family.Also, where was that concern when they dressed Yasu up as Beatrice and practically handed him to Kinzo so Kinzo could "apologize"?
>>737968036Wait, you mean you're not supposed to bring the rape-incest baby back to the house around the man you think will rape them and the woman that tried to kill them?
>>737933116There is nothing to solve in higuarshi. Umineko sucked but for a pure mystery higurashi is far worse
>>737968547>>737968036Genji had hope that Kinzo wouldnt rape his child a second time and they could have a normal father daughter(son) relationshiop
>>737925540read Rose Guns Days and Higanbana after Higurashi.>>737935750he's used covid as an excuse too
>>737946312The story is about belief and the choice. What's funny is that people say how Umineko is the antithesis of a VN for not having choices, but you've had choices from the very beginning if you were playing along. You got to choose if the witch was real or not, or who you thought was the witch. What you believe is a choice. You're not an amalgamation of hormones and electrical signals, you're a human being and while your effect on the world is very limited, you have the absolute most choice on you perception of the world around you. The upmost important thing we can do as humans is believe in something, whether that's family, love, or even God himself, our life is aligned to many of these non-physical matters that we CHOOSE is important to us. And that's what makes life so great is the choice of belief. Without love, it cannot be seen
RGD is Ryukishi's best novel. There I said it
>>737968974Maybe if Last Season didn't end in a wet fart it would be what you say.
>>737969136RGD between start of the Caleb arc up until season 3 and the final duel is ryukishi's best novel.* There I said it
>>737960159She's hot AND scary.
>>737968593Higurashi doesn't pretend it's a mystery story, it has a lot going its way without it. Umi, on the other hand, begs you to solve the mystery, mocks you for not being able to and then shits the bed entirely with the solution.
>>737969882Most real post itt
Would Kinzo have liked Maria, given that she inherited his interest in the occult?
>>737969228Rudolph should have cucked his idiot brother and pounded a baby into Natsuhi's pussy. Because that short haired bitch was not worth dying and murdering for.
>>737969191Hard to believe he managed to fumble it so hard when he was doing so good.
>>737925540
>>737961526Too tormented by guilt and trust issues.
Higurashi was better. Smaller and more developed cast, stronger atmosphere, and a consistent tone. Umineko boats itself with unnecessary characters (for all that people bitch about Hanyuu, Umi has at least a dozen Hanyuus). Worse still, it deceives the reader. Higurashi always shows you what the current narrator believes to be true. In Umineko entire scenes never happened, and characters take actions that they would realistically never take under any circumstances, EXCEPT to fuck with someone in a dumb mystery plot. R07 did grow as a writer in a few ways but Umineko as a whole is still a colossal trainwreck
>>737970026No. Kinzo didn't think of occultism as a passion, but the last straws to cling to in his deep regret. As his life crumbled under him from the weight of his sins, occultism is just one last gamble he made like the similar gambles he made in stocks and trading. Maria's sincere passion doesn't count for much and Kinzo wouldn't see Maria's delusion as anything but mere fantasy.He is a westaboo though, so if Maria were also interested in western culture he would have surely liked that.
>>737970204Kyrie would have killed her if he did that, she already destroyed Jessica's face just because Rudolph called her pretty once.
What do women see in Rudolph and Battler?
>>737972031They're tall (by Japanese standards), confident, handsome, and funny.
>>737930886Those are some amazing legs for a 9 year old....
>>737972435She was going to grow into being like her mother, that is to say, a sex machine
>>737972556I think Kinzo may have vaguely been gay, or at least not traditionally heterosexual. Beatricesexual, which is why he'd possibly even rape a dude. If my wife was hot enough to produce babes like Eva and Rosa, I would have turned Rokkenjima into a fucking Mormon compound. Meanwhile, Kinzo was so disinterested in her that he didn't even remember her face in the manga. She probably had to visit HIS chambers at night and ride him while he stared at the ceiling.
>>737929884You reread it 4 times? Seriously?>>737925540Nice based reader
>>737972435George...
>open thread>ikuko is yasu!>wright is battler!i have to reread umineko i think
>>737972297I'm the same height as Battler, he's literally me.
How old is Ange supposed to be at the end? Is it already too late to continue the ushiromiya bloodline?
>>737974774Hag, not yet
>>73797477440s. The epilogue with her and Tohya would be taking place roughly right this second, actually.
>>737974774Doesn't she has cancer at the end or am I crazy?
>>737975978I finished it three hours ago.Yes, she has cancer.Her age is never specified. Events happend "decades later"
>>737975978In the OG, it's pretty ruthless that she's just recently been diagnosed, but Ryukishi retconned it to her being in remission for the manga.
>>737955470
>>737971737Both have 10/10 setups, but Umineko's ending is much better, and I think the overarching story hits much harder in general.>>737974774"decades later"at least 40. there's always the possibility battler could've had kids with ikuko
>>737955470Kinzo raped Yasu's mom, not Yasu. He literally pretended Yasu didn't exist / did not actually know Yasu had survived for most of his remaining life.
Any Dlanor enjoyers out there?
Release the Kuwadorian files.
>>737976453I will always associate Desu with Dlanor because I never watched Rozen Maiden
>>737976453I dabble
>>737976453
>>737976453She’s pretty based yeah
>>737976828Does Dlanor look white in-universe?
>>737925540Steins;Gate and Katawa Shoujo are better entry level VNs. Umineko is horribly paced and full of shit prose.
>>737976049>>737976179In the translation I used, it said she had just removed a tumor and her body was still weak.
>>737975969>hag Ange is out there somewhere in Japan waiting for anon to save herWhat's your excuse?
>>737976956Ronald Knox is English my dude.
>>737976453>:3
>>737976965>Steins;Gate and Katawa ShoujoBoth of these are overrated as hell
>>737977134Modern Jap writers would have made Saber Japanese... somehow. They're just like that as a people, so you never know.
Kinzo really fell in love with the first PAWG he saw.
It's a genuine masterpiece but I've given up on discussing it on 4chan. I don't respect anyone who thinks the manga is good.
The manga is superior btw
>>737977829Threads are better without you.
>>737976965S;G works better as a babies first VN but it's not an actually better VN by a long shot.
>>737976836It's really funny seeing the original sprites since I played with the ps3 patch and I'm used to them. They're so similar (and charming)
Big plump Beato hag saggers
>>737978648Do you really think Yasuda would wish for hag tits? These are eternally perky and huge at the same time. She studied magazines extensively.
>>737978648Forgot pic
>>737946802This one went well honestly. Nobody talked about Joseph Anderson even once.
Meaty milk plump saggers
>>737946312that's because it's got a bunch of hackneyed platitudes and weebs just latch onto the first one they resonated with. the main emotional takeaway is>it's okay to live in a fantasy if it makes you happyand the "intellectual" meta takeaway is>people obsessed with mysteries never think of the lives and feelings of the people involved, including people who consume mystery fiction
20 fucking years and multiple translation later ya'll niggas still manage to get the story fucking wrong, smfhfucking tourists man
>>737936914>living a lie is okay if it makes you happyYes, it's core trannoid slop.
>>737979295But that's wrong.
>>737968593Higurashi is an actual mystery that earnestly wants you to solve it, but it's too easy to solve and everyone did it before Ryukishi finished writing it so he eternally seethed and wrote Umineko to be an unsolvable mystery with a bunch of strawmen telling the fans they're gay retards for even trying in the first place.
>>737979408Vagueposting like a true Beatrice.>You just don't get it.>But, wait, what don't I get?>IT>But what is IT!?
>>737979646He understood the assignment
>Presented problem>I get it wrong>Ergo, no solution exists
I was really into Higurashi, Umineko never really clicked for me.Also, I will never forgive Ryukishi for his crimes.
Phase 2 when?
>>737980736Hopefully never, because "The Sea of Fragments is just a computer simulation made during the apocalypse, like that western movie I watched in 1999!" was complete ass as an idea. Ciconia was an abortion from top to bottom, and it's a mercy to the fanbase that it died in the womb.
I'll make use of this thread to talk a bit of my experience with Umineko.A friend recommended it to me and I've spent the whole time I was reading bouncing my theories off him, and they weren't few. Funnily enough the dynamic was exactly like what Yasu describes with Kumasawa later on. He never confirmed or denied any of my theories, but we built a space where I could speak about what was on my mind to someone that knew the answers and it elevated the whole experience for the both of us. This has been without a doubt one of the most memorable things I've ever read.I put great and I really mean it, GREAT effort in trying to unravel the mysteries. I'd read something that would catch my eye and spend 30 minutes thinking about it, going back to my schizo board of notes and screencaps, and be back and forth trying to make sense of pieces of information.Some things I could figure out (by chapter 4 my theory was that the servants were in cahoots, that kanon was beatrice -I didn't think of shannon and kanon being the same person yet- and battler's sin being something like a broken promise that he forgot towards someone, my mind being on that horse scene they mention on chapter 1). The figure of Yasu and Kinzo sexing his daughter I never saw coming.The episode where you see Shannon's heart being broken over the years crushed my soul as her experience hit too close to home for me.I thought the setup (first 4 chapters) were more fun than the answers. And it's not becuase I didn't understand the themes, or I didn't like the solutions. But the pacing at which events unfold, you get new information on the world, the character are presented, their dynamics, it's so good, it was a complete delight. Chapters 5-8 were also mostly excellent but I think chapter 8 trips a bit trying over itself to tell what it does, even if the final stretch was graceful.I loved this overall. It took me 170 hours to read through the whole thing, some of which were spent just thinking on the spot.
>>737980835Pure conjecture.
>>737980978I binged the whole thing in one week and haven't talked to someone IRL about it for seven years until last week.
>>737980978Sounds like you had a great experience. I'm a fucking Umi autist, though, so I must point out that horse promise wasn't revealed until Episode 3. Until then, the mystery was not fully solvable. >>737981240>binged the whole thing in one weekHow? His 170 hours is no joke. That's actually how long Umineko is. That's at least 25 hours of reading a day.
>>737981240Damn. I could never.I took the whole thing really slowly. Read one chapter, take a break, rinse and repeat. It took me 9 months. I've been on it for so long it makes it extra sad to finish.I'm meeting up with some other friends (that already beat it) to discuss the game next weekend, it's going to be great.
>>737981382a fast reader can do an episode in about 10 hours. if you're waiting to listen to vas it's going to double your playtime
>>737981472I guess, but reading Umi without the voices is a choice. Mods like UmiTweak existed when I was in college 15 years ago.
>>737981382>I'm a fucking Umi autist, though, so I must point out that horse promise wasn't revealed until Episode 3. Until then, the mystery was not fully solvable.Is it? Memory must be playing tricks on me, but I believe you.I was convinced it was on chapter 1 since that's also the only time where battler talks about the kind of woman he likes and almost the only time his breast grabbing connoisseurship is displayed, so I must've lumped it together as those types of scenes that you're meant to not think too much about as they're the type of small-talk that are in place to set up the stage.It's a really funny thing too, since I thought it was such an in-character moment with the goddamn "See you, have a nice day" to top if off that I was contantly bringing it up and the second I started thinking about it on my theories to try and make sense of "Battler's sin" my friend was (allegedly) tearing his own skin apart to not say anything. When it finally happened he exteriorized his built up disbelief and it was hilarious.
>>737981717It's actually fairly significant that the promise isn't revealed until 3, as that's the first (and maybe only?) episode written by Battler/Tohya himself. He finally remembered what he said to Sayo after their final interaction, and it haunts him when she kills herself.
>>737977829Gee, I'm sure there's not the exact same kind of bias just the other way in this post.
>>737981929Is that explicitly stated anywhere? I didn't catch that exact detail, just that his brain started melting the second he was mentioned of the Rokkenjima incident when his memories came back.The only moment that comes to mind when Battler acknowledges his relationship with Shannon it's on the Tea Party for EP7. And that's not what you're mentioning.
Why did Battler tell his crush(a Japanese girl) that he preferred white women? Is he retarded?
>>737982214I honestly forget when it's mentioned, but Tohya is writing forgeries with Ikuko, and his first is one where Eva is the culprit, because his memories of the incident suggest that she killed everyone, and not Kyrie. The manga has a long chapter showing his and Sayo's escape together that shows why he continued to believe that Eva did it.
>>737959159insane how much r07 blatantly stole from tsukihime and got away with it since modern zoomers don’t actually read vns and don’t have a proper frame of reference
>>737982602I'm going to sound like I didn't understand shit (or that I did too well), but I'm using Ange's coping superpowers to NOT think that Kyrie and Rudolf were a bunch of murderous bastards because that'd be awful. Reply to laugh at me if you will, but I refuse to buy Bernkastel's anti-Ange propaganda. It sucks enough to learn that everyone actually fucking dies for real.
>>737981929All of the episodes after 1-2 are written by Tohya and Ikuko. He might have remembered that interaction, but the implications don't hit him until episode 5 is written.
umineko is literally just twin peaks
>>737982892Whether or not you believe that Kyrie went on a murderous rampage, the island unquestionably blew up. Somebody turned the bomb on ...though I have a silly pet theory for fun that rats chewed through the wires underground enough that the bomb just randomly went off on its own.
>>737983189Yeah, that's an undeniable fact unfortunately.Which makes it really funny to look back on all previous episodes and consider what happens exactly at 24:00 on the second day on each of them.Man, it's going to be a while before Umineko leaves my mind.
>>737983316It never does. You're stuck with us forever.
>>737983479Neat
>>737982892I always knew there was something off about Kyrie from the start. I do believe what she said about Ange was just an attempt to prevent a possible revenge/retaliation against her daughter or maybe it was just her coping about her own feelings. It's fucked that Kyrie never learns the truth about Battler though, and hates him for his whole life. Being rejected by the very people who put you in the world, is a theme for a lot of the characters, makes the track "thanks for being born" hit a lot harder.
>>737925540I like some parts of Umineko but it's extremely inconsistent which tempered my experience a bit. Still far better than Steins;Gate and Baldr Sky which both felt like I got duped into reading something shitty.
>>737983695Battler is 12 years older than Ange. That's not a small gap, even though Kyrie has no idea that he's her son. How old is Kyrie? Did she mother Ange simply to trap Rudolf? Ange doesn't seem well, both physically as a child, then mentally as an adult. Maybe Kyrie really DIDN'T care about Ange.
Not Umineko but, do you think it would still be worth reading Higurashi if I know a few big spoilers already? I went into Umineko only knowing a single vague spoiler Shannon is Beatrice (obviously not a full spoiler, but still pretty big) , and still really enjoyed it. Is Higurashi still worth it if some of the mystery is gone?
>>737983913She probably did care a bit for her at least, Kyrie unironically seems like a sociopath, so it's difficult to know. I mean, if you believe in magic, she did appear to feel awful about how she treated Battler when Rudolph told her the truth at the halloween party.
>>737936914No, Kinzo is too based and would scare the trannies away
>>737983091By sheer chance I watched Fire Walk With Me after finishing Umineko and I'd have a hard time believing it wasn't a direct influence.
>>737984069Yes, I read it knowing who the culprit was and it was still great. There will still be tons of other things you don't know.
>>737983835Baldr Sky is loved mostly for the gameplay, if you weren't expecting that going in it wasn't sold to you properly.S;G is overhyped but it had the perfect combination of elements to take over the 2010 zeitgeist, That's why it ended up being remembered.
>>737984152Kinzo was closeted gay and had a secret relationship with Genji, Beatrice was the first and only woman he was attracted to.
>>737984337I like Baldr Sky's story more than Umineko.
Always liked this part. Episode 7 spoilers:
>>737960159After the first few genuinely accidental murders he basically went a bit crazy and decided to make the most out of it.
>>737984545Eva made a huge mistake accidentally(?) shooting Natushi and causing this, but she was way too human when faced down by Kyrie, who was an honest to god psychopathic killing machine.
I cheered when this happen
Jessica-chan is underrately sexy
>images you can hear
>>737984835Do not pay too much attention to Jessica!
>>737984114The reality is probably halfway in the middle, which is the point. Every side that talks about the Ushiromiyas is showing their distorted, biased opinions on them let it be positive or negative, but reality isn't black or white. Characters aren't sociopaths, murderers or spineless bastards. Neither they are a perfectly happy, functional family with warm smiles and happy faces. Life isn't about extremes.We really don't know what anyone thought about anything and we'll never do.
>>737984982>We really don't know what anyone thought about anything and we'll never do.Yeah, being unable to know with certainty someone else's thoughts and having to trust people on what they say is another theme.
>>737984982>characters aren't murderersYou don't need to just excuse everything as fake when it legitmately happened in the story. This is why some people meme on Umineko fans.
>>737985223It's deliberately open to interpretation like many other things, because, once again, that's the point
>>737984202i'm really serious when i say they are the same. even episode 8 feels like a david lynch tier rant
>>737984545Seeing this again, I'm sure Kyrie was just trying to make Eva feel sorry for Ange, so she would adopt her. Kyrie was caught off guard, she knew she was dead, there's no way a cold woman like her would make this entire speech for no reason.
>>737984835Hopefully no jealous woman ever smashes that cute face to a pulp, also funny that Battler literally says that Jessica is his exact type, and yet he doesn't date her for some reason.
>>737984880I prefer the mexican versionHonestly, I'd love a spanish dub of Umineko. It feels so right.
>>737985061Krauss is so gay for not pumping her with more children.>inb4 she's infertileHe was clearly not trying hard enough.
>>737986292She was impregnated by demons after her accidental ritual sacrifice of woman and child. One of her or Krauss was infertile, but Jessica arrived anyway.
>>737985946>Battler literally says that Jessica is his exact type
>>737925540I was fucking obsessed with this shit in high school when I read it, I still remember when episode 5's translation came out and I binged the whole episode over christmas breakI fear if I go back and reread it it won't hold up nearly as well but I'll always remember it fondly
>>737940769being born a woman
>>737986491Is there anyone who isn't Beatrice in this story?
I was in Japan last month and it was really hard finding Umineko and Higurashi stuff. I really wish I went to shirakawa-go since they have a shop there. The only umineko stuff I saw was a Pachinko machine in Osaka.
>>737986292>He was clearly not trying hard enoughHe's trying his best! Leave him alone!
>>737986937Yup
>>737986937It's funny how Krauss ended up becoming my favorite sibling by the end. Maybe it's because he does the reverse of the others where as the story progresses, he is revealed to be more decent. Like how it is said that Natsuhi had never even felt a slap in her life, his good treatment of the young servants, him apparently reconciling with Rosa, and so on.Only thing you can really hold against him considering his circumstances is him apparently bullying Rosa as a grown ass man while she was in middle school, but we can chalk that up to R07 not thinking too much about the ages.
>>737986501honestly you would probably like it more
>>737967432There's nothing wrong with a 25 year old and a 32 year old, because they're both adults. The problem is that in 1980, George wants to fuck a 10 year old (again, he never knows Shannon's true age, so the true age does not matter.) I get that R07 is a lolicon, but he's also a former social worker that wrote Tatarigoroshi. In a narrative as serious as Umineko, that's usually very good at acknowledging the flaws of its cast, George sticks out pretty badly, and I sincerely think it's by mistake because he forgot to do the math.
Literally not a video game. This is just as bad as a yoshi thread
>>737988194He did forget to do some math, because Ange's birthday is impossible.That said, he could have simply held different values about George and Shannon. He's Japanese, and pure lolicon otaku ideas are not necessarily the basis of that relationship.
>>737988194>(again, he never knows Shannon's true age, so the true age does not matter.Seeing as how he knows all of her secrets, who's to say he didn't know her actual age too?
>>737987604>Natsuhi had never even felt a slap in her life, his good treatment of the young servants, him apparently reconciling with Rosa, and so on.Yeah I thought Krauss was pretty awesome as well. Especially patching things up with Rosa as the older brother.
>>737989210The scene in 7 obscures them obviously just identifying "Beatrice" as she was, but Krauss was uniquely kind to her. He was a good enough dude.
Someone please give me a game with a better waifu than Beatrice, so I can forget about her and heal my heart.
What's the sex like?
>>737930960I swear I remember a metaverse tidbit where someone says anything the pieces do on the board they are capable of doing in real life. So if Rosa had to fight a bunch of butler goats irl she really could blast through them and do bullet punches and shit.
>>737990779If Berny is a a black cat, is Lambda a golden retriever?
>R07: "It's not important to know who the killer was or Yasu's gender because... it's just not important OK??? You're a goat if you want answers to these questions."Hello?
>>737936861>>737926659I think Willard is his own person and part of the meta world It's never implied he's Batora
>>737990931hi
>>737990886I remember that tidbit too
>>737989210MY KING
I prefer Umineko to Higurashi
>>737991031King
>>737991031Goat
>>737933160It's the opposite actually. There's a reason the ending is hated outside of the weird cult fans who spout the goat shit.
>>737990931Yasu's gender doesn't really change that much, either way their genitals get mutilated and they can't have sex or get pregnant, and either way they have fantasies about being a different gender.
>>737991183It's very important for us Witch Hunters to know if the Gay George theory is true or not.
here's a read for those who fell for tranny folx psyop:https://sorel.substack.com/p/suicide-of-the-golden-troon
>>737990956It makes sense to me. Will is a perfect redeemed Battler, he understands Yasu, he doesn't care about their gender, he's cool and doesn't afraid anything.
>>737991367George likes Sayo when she's wearing a wig and fake boobs, honestly I still don't understand how the different personalities worked in the real world, did everyone just accept Yasu changing costumes multiple times per day or did they always dress as Shannon? Maybe Jessica's the gay one.
>>737991447Honestly a good read. I can feel the writer's heart.
>>737991704someone claimed the game's events are the first time shanon and kanon were on servant rotation at the same time. the other servants are portrayed as the daggers. i don't remember that being mentioned. it was probably deliberately omitted because it would make it EVEN MORE OBVIOUS who the culprit is.
>>737991447Actually an interesting read, I still think it could go both ways though. I hate trannies, but I'm not opposed to them appearing in media as long as it isn't in favor of propaganda, it's just a subject like any other subject, some people think things like rape should never appear in any form of media for example, and I'm sure everyone here would agree that's dumb.
>>737992108Well, but how did Kanon first appear? Did Natsuhi just accept the fact that some kid named Kanon, that suspiciously looked like Yasu, started working there one day?
>>737991447most people aren't insane and won't want anything that permanently alters their gender, genitals, or lineagebut the problem you have is the rest aren't going to read your article
>>737990931Yasu's gender genuinely doesn't matter. If she was born a girl: her vagina is a mass of scar tissue and she didn't experience puberty. If he was born a boy: his penis is a mass of scar tissue and he didn't experience puberty. The consequences simply are equivalent. It's an irrelevant point, Yasuda doesn't get to be a boy or a girl. This is why they're so fucked up and transfixed on the notion of being furniture.As to the killer: they're all dead, what does it really matter? Will knowing the killer bring them back? Is there justice to mete? What is the merit in being king of the corpse pile?
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