Why do localizers do this? What possible reason would they have for completely rewriting 2B’s personality into something that is different from the original? So basically I’ll never know what the real 2B is like unless I learn a whole new language?
>>737928546because you keep buying their thrash
because the west thinks feminity is weakness and the only way woman can be strong is by emulating men.
>>737928546Consultancy firms or progressive political positions within western agencies. Could be anything, without more information on context we don't know the exact reason.
>>737928546Because westerners cannot write a woman being weak ever. The writers probably tried to be faithful but just felt too icky with some lines
>>737928546Their job is sell game, so they make characters more appealing for western audienceExample, original paper mario localizers, changed Vivian's gender to female, just to not offend american gamers(was male in all other languages)20 years later, they translated his gender true to japanese version, and incels had massive outrage, even people who don't play nintendo games seethed and made rage youtube videos.And, just for the sake of things like that not happening(they are bad for business), localizers adapt characters depending on the region.Of course you don't care about facts, and just wanted a hugbox thread.
>>737928546hush little thirdie, americans know best
>>737928546It’s a cultural/political difference. Japanese people aren’t bothered by femininity in women, but in the west it’s seen as incel ideology to think a woman shouldn’t be bossy or masculine.
>>737928546They have a political agenda. That's all it is most of the time.
>>737928546Watch the anime to find out what she’s really like. A lot of fans had whiplash after finding out how she actually is and what her real dynamic with 9S is like. TL;DR she’s a lot more feminine in the Japanese version
>>737928729>troons, japan :O
>>737928729So your argument is that we don’t get real translations because Japanese games are very left wing/progressive and it would enrage the chuds?
Would playing Neir Automata on Japanese help me with understanding her better ?
>>737928546basically >>737928620 It's a paternalistic form of sexism. If there's a woman protagonist she has to be strong and independent, and she can't be strong and independent unless she's like a man, so they rewrite her like a man.If they could redesign her looks they'd do that too since it also applies to looks. They make women look uglier as a way of reducing their femininity, because they believe femininity is wrong and weak and in order to "help" women they have to make them more like men. with male jobs, male interests, male bodies, male capabilities, male behavior, male animations, male speech, etc. Sometimes even male love interests, i.e. other women. Which is why some western female protagonists are lesbians.
>>737928546because localization companies are soulless, artless faggots, and always have beenback in the 90s and early 2000s they were at least based faggots who had fun ruining whatever media they'd adapt for western audiencesnowadays localization studios treat their work deadly seriously and act as though what they're doing is extremely important, and not just effectively putting on a gay little cancerous theater play for actual glop-maxxed retards who don't have the mental faculties to read subtitles.anyone who watches dubs and doesn't realize that makes them a retard should be gassed
>>737928546This wouldn't be problem if you harassed all the localizers out of the industry 10 years ago.
>>737928546>you can’t do 1:1 chud! Le nuanced language!Okay but why did you turn her into a girlboss and translate “Yamete” to “end fascism”? >LE NUANCE LE CONTEXT CHUD
>>737928546>>737928546Because White women and White men who have only been exposed to White women, lack the EQ to understand complexity. Being >stern, conflicted, emotionally repressed Really is only the domaine of intelligent Asian females.
>>737928904Anyone?
>>737929321Yes? That goes without saying. She has a different personality in Japanese and her dynamic with 9S is different as well
>>737928904Of course. Just getting to the point in JP where you can tell when the localizers have gone nutso is not that difficult.
>>737928546I'm playing TWEWY Neo and the complaints about localization are 100% justified. The dialogue is so jarring I had to switch it to JP subtitles. There are some lines in the localization that are straight up mistranslations, its fucking ridiculous.
>>737928546To bring them down to their level. A "corrupted" mind is generally incapable of creating something beautiful and is repulsed at anything that makes other people happy. It's only a projection.
>>737928546Western writing is superior.Simple as that.
>>737929309Isn't this kind of an anti-white/pro-racemixing sentiment in a way?
Runkachunk was getting on in years, she decided everyone she voices has to be a bitter bitch just because she's one.
>>737929576I remember they translated something like “is this curry even authentic?” To “is it cultural appropriation to like curry?”
>>737929676Pretty much >>737929585Can't believe the motor slide guy decided to hire her for the main character for some reason.
>>737928729>Of course you don't care about factsNeither do you, considering you didn't mention that the demake added a bunch of new dialogue in which Vivian goes on about his feelings and how he found his "true self" and the like, which wasn't in the original release, or how much of the demake neutered the dialogue including removing any words alluding to someone being crazy/insane, any catcalling from thugs, most of Cortez's spanglish, any sort of insult regarding intelligence or body fitness, and more.But, again, you don't care about facts, you just wanted to shill your personal agenda.
>>737929676People don’t know this but VA’s do have a lot of say over the script and yes, translations. If they feel like the character should be a certain way they’ll tell the writers or localizers and often they’ll adjust the script to their liking
>>737928546I played with subtitles because the dub VAs are fucking awful and annoying, the jap VA definitely conveys emotional uncertainty and apprehension in tone even though I had no idea what anyone was actually saying. It makes me feel like theres something profoundly dark and inhuman about localizers. Maybe people don't hate them enough.
>>737929758there's no way they have that much of a power over a character, especially with voice director around
>>737929746TTYD for switch was honestly one of the most insane butcherings I’ve ever seen. They went through the script with a fine toothed comb and censored or removed anything that could be considered remotely offensive to the fattest most progressive blue haired tranny you’ve ever seen
>>737929684Of all the horrid examples in Neo of shit localization, you picked one of the only ones that isn't an issue, and you misquoted it to make it worse than it was.
>>737929791They're failed writers who thus resent what they couldnt accomplish
>>737928546They really had a field day with Nier games huh
>>737928904Assuredly
>>737929758>>737929813Lines were changed in the dub of Yakuzer because the ugly Venezuelan wanted to sound cooler. It just made him sound like a tool
>>737929908For anyone who played the original dranguard 3 how different is western localisation ?
>>737929834Tell me more then, I just remembered the most rage baity example that kicked up a stir when it came out
>>737929585The difference is that all the stuff on the right is for adults, while all the stuff on the left is for children and teens.There's plenty of obscene content with crude women in Japanese, dramas full of ridiculous cheating scenarios and sexual themes, etc. You just cherrypicked stuff rated T and under.
>>737930012>all the stuff on the right is for adults Lmfao
>>737930012Even if there are some dark themes/moments it's not done to demoralize or berate the viewer/player. ITs not done out of hatred or some sort of personal issues unlike in west.
>>737929908I don’t know the specifics of the nier localization. I think the Emil being gay thing was in the Japanese too and was Yoko Taro’s intent.
>>737929746So you are okay with localization changing everything including character gender to pander incels and others fragle special snowflakes, but truthful translation of new game is bad.Thanks for supporting my point
>>737928546That AI summary is nonsense and doesn't reflect playing the game in English at all, her personality and the reasons behind it came across totally clearly. Is it talking about dubbed audio? Everyone already knows that subs>dubs in any work in any medium in any language.
>>737930126In replicant they changed all of the town names. In Japanese theyre supposed to sound as generic as possible to trick the player into thinking theyre playing a generic JRPG until the twist hits you. In the English version they all have quirky names which misses the point. Another is that Kainé is supposed to have “bleeps” play whenever she swears. The joke is that the things she’s saying are so vulgar that the world itself is offended and censors her. In English she just literally swears, missing the entire point. This doesn’t even scratch the surface of what they did btw.
>>737930240The important information is generally given out correctly. The differences come out in tone and characterization
>>737930340>Another is that Kainé is supposed to have “bleeps” play whenever she swears. The joke is that the things she’s saying are so vulgar that the world itself is offended and censors her. In English she just literally swears, missing the entire point. This doesn’t even scratch the surface of what they did btw.glad they changed it. Wouldve been cringe otherwise
>>737928546I hope you're aware of the irony of relying on an AI summary rephrasing reddit posts in order to inform yourself about the poor accuracy of a translation
>>737929059>Which is why some western female protagonists are lesbians.Some? Western female protagonists have been almost universally lesbian or at least bisexual for about 15 years now.
>>737928729Symptoms of being unable to segregate fiction from reality:-Tie fictional characters to the real world and assign real world attributes that was never the author intent (EX: Thinking a character is a certain race, is X-coded. Or in this case, thinking fictional characters even have an "age" as if it were a living creature).-Think an element, plot device, theme, actions in a fictional work is advocacy by the author for something in real life, regardless of the context said element, theme, plot device, actions is placed in. Westernoids are REAL REAL guilty of this. In this case, is westerners thinking a sexy drawing is a criminal offense. But its important to note that westerners also do this for things they like, so they will attach themselves to a fictional work and treat it as if its an advocate for them.-Think an element, plot device, theme, action, influences the real world to an abnormal belief and refuses agency for real life humans. Such as thinking violence in fiction increases a love for violence among those who take a story with that in.-Believes fiction is meant to manifest in the real world and that the real world must dictate fiction, often ties to believing something is advocacy. Often takes a literalist approach to fiction, seen often in their retarded video essay analysis.-Ironically, incapable of enjoying fantasy despite gorging on fiction because they keep it anchored to the real world-Become less sane because the slippery slope means being unable to segregate fiction from reality, means you will start to be unable to distinguish fiction from reality until you start saying insane shit like thinking a fictional character murdering another character means the author is guilty of homicide.This retard is defending malicious localization because of reason 2. Fiction primary role is to preach create reality. He thinks with malicious translations, Vivian "true gender" influences reality to help advocate his delusions into reality.
>>737928546Why are you playing a feminist tranny game to begin with, faggot?
>>737928546A woman acting like a woman? UHHH THAT'S SEXIST! MY SOGGY KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>737929746>you just wanted to shill your personal agenda.the projecting is strong in this one
>>737930542AI summary is perhaps the best and only usecase for AI, because AI just a fucking computer program that does word completion. That is what AI fundamentally is, but due to its algorithmic, evolutionary and generative mathematical nature of it, some minds begin to see AI as having some profound knowledge that humans cannot see.I hope you're aware of the irony of condemning someone relying on an AI summary rephrasing reddit posts in order to inform yourself when you yourself, rely on a fucking computer programs in every aspect of your life.
>>737928620it's funny how they hate us yet emulate the fuck out of our form
Nobody hates women more than feminists. Problem is they hate men even more which makes their goal of turning women into men all the more baffling. It's like a retardation spiral with them.
>>737930823a very weak, pedantic response
>>737930852Every foid eventually has to grapple with the reality that nature made them retarded and neurotic. Mostly they embrace or deny it, but I can't blame some of them for rejecting it.
>>737930852>>737930920these games are primarily made by men for male audiences
>>737930771>>737928729Says the faggot who cannot segregate fiction from reality, defending bad translations because you think Vivian and Paper Mario are real thing, and if bad translations create a identity, which you falsely claim that Vivian is transgender, you can manifest this agenda into reality.On a sidenote, speaking other languages and seeing Spanish and Japanese translations of English works. only pisses me off even more about how unprofessional and leftists driven these localization are. Proper localization is still a translation, not for genetically inferior subhumans to change a work to suit their desires.
>>737930956And the people that translate them are women and trannies with a very progressive worldview, which is why little things like 2B being turned into a girl boss happens
>>737928546See, schizos like >>737930986 this are reason why localizers do that.
>>737929791You're just a weeb who hears what he wants to hear.
>>737928620stern, conflicted and emotionally repressed isn't feminine. That describes most of the male shut ins on this board.
>>737930986Personally speaking I just don't trust weird chuddy little weeb freaks like yourself anon. I've talked to so many of you on /a/ and myanimelist and other websites over the years and you're all the same delusional western hating japonophile unemployed schizophrenics, it's like you're all produced in a factory.
>>737931091How is it that Spanish and Japanese dubs of English work, especially nowadays (although when comparing cartoon dubs with English anime dubs, this has always been the comparison) tend to be intrinsically more professional? They even try to get voice soundalikes and sometimes, they do a very good job. I also notice that British dubs are also more likely to veer towards a certain level of professional. Its like the people understand that the translator job is to transfer a work in its original language to another language.I think its important to not use the word "localization" for what retarded leftists do with video games. Proper localization is still a translation. The shit that has been happening in the past decade where characters personalities aren't even the same, is not a translation.
>>737928546ive watched a lot of anime and it get tiring seeing Japan make the same 4 characters over and over. Japanese characters are boring. the English version received the best 2B.
Nothing wrong with otokonokos
>>737931381Western variety. Girl boss, lesbian girl boss, bitchier girl boss and tranny girl boss. Much variety such wow.
>>737931381Then you hate Japan and need to stop consuming Japanese media instead of ruining it. Thanks to autotranslate on twitter, maybe some Japanese will see the sheer scale and disrespect this attitude fosters.
>>737928546yeah, better get started buddy
>>737931381Have you watched mainstream western TV lately? Every female character is just a girlboss
>>737931492get a life and stop brown-nosing Japan, they respect people like you even less than the haters
lmaoing @ tranny localizers immediately spotting this thread and summoning their defense force. do you really think your posts are not immediately obvious? lol, lmao even
>>737928546That's just the Yoko Taro game special. They fucked up Zero in Drakengard as well
>>737929684>>737929834>you picked one of the only ones that isn't an issueHow is this not an issue? He went from feeling his curry was inadequate in Japanese to worrying if his curry constituted the unacknowledged theft of another people's culture.>and you misquoted it to make it worse than it wasNo, he's basically spot on.
>>737931381Oh yeah man so true. The west is so interesting when the women are all ugly and act like men.
>>737931585not everybody disagrees with you is part of a tranny conspiracy, some people just think you're a retard not worth trusting
>>737931381define those 4 characters right now
>posts the ai summary of the opinions of redditors Holy fucking retard
>>737931747sure trannylator, how about you kill yourself
>>737931747Explain why it’s justified to change the personality of a character in the English translation
>>737931763i wont, and im right.
>>737931274Most of these people play like 10 chinese gacha games and put them all in the dogshit japanese localizations despite how much they fuck up the script, casting, and voice direction. They're actually genuinely delusional and don't actually have any principled stance on dubbing, localization, or art in general.
>>737931381japs can't write. Only uncultured weebs think they can.
>>737931883ok trannylator
>>737931773this, fight the brainrot fellas jfc
>>737931820I'll be honest anon I don't speak Japanese and I don't care to learn, so I have no way to personally verify what was changed or not in a localization.I'm just going with my gut. I'd rather trust an official translation over what the 4chan chud claims, I'm not easily impressed by manipulated infographs, insults, out of context quotes, accusations of conspiracies etc
>>737931891You lost on the substance of the topic, because rewriting characters to have different personalities is indefensible, so now you’re retreating to crying about le chuds. It’s no different than just saying you’re a tranny and that’s why you support loocalizers
>>737931995>I’m not easily impressed by manipulated infographs, insults, out of context quotes, accusations of conspiracies etcHonestly I’m not easily impressed by trannies whining “but duh chuds, the chuds are stoopid, trust the experts” so here we are
>>737931995can you point out the manipulated infographs?
>>737931942i know, also something i learned from watching to much anime. they try to be philosophical and stoic but ultimately just want to find a reason to say raison d'être for the 1 millionth time. nothing can ever just be simple, and in their struggle to appear deep the end up repeating the same tropes over and over. Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts are probably the biggest examples.
>>737931995>I'm just going with my gut. I'd rather trust an official translation over what the 4chan chud claimsYou are so retarded it hurts. There are countless examples of intentionally tampered/wrong "official" translations, in anime, manga and games.
>>737932043>the chuds are stoopidThey're worse than stupid, they're actively malicious and try to manipulate the more gullible users here
>>737931957i won and i know it.
>>737932195How? By saying that “yamate” doesn’t mean “end fascism” in Japanese? You realize even normalfag center left weebs hate localizers now too?
>>737931997Did you reply to the right pose? This is a complete non-sequiter to what I posted.I think there's a lot of bad and weird localization (Uma removing ANY mention of christmas is the weirdest shit I've ever seen) but most people I've seen that complain about localization have zero actually principled position of localization of art and frequently celebrate awful changes when those changes are a non-japanese game getting translated into japanese. Even playing non-japanese media in japanese is the most retard-brained shit imaginable, but most people that post like this do exactly that. The OP posting an ai summary of a reddit thread as evidence for this perceived butchering of a character is a pretty prime example of getting lost in the sauce because you have a japan fetish instead of caring about proper translations.
>>737931995>"I'd rather trust an official translation over what the 4chan chud claims">The official translation:
>>737932196sure trannylator
>>737928546>AI summary screencap thread
>not playing fan subs>not using jp dub
>>737928546>>737928729>still bitching about examples from years agoThe games did numbers. You lost the culture war you started. Vivian is trans. Bridget is trans. 2B is not your sex toy. Move the fuck on.
>>737932195>make a dogshit "locallization" that butcherss the original, and make it full of your retarded political commentary>people call you out on it and demand a 1:1 translation>"nooo chuds are soooo stoooopid stop being facists!"fuck off and die
>>737931631Or it could be Taro is more "woke" than you think he is.
>>737932247All this post is is ranting about how duh chuds are stoopid. You don’t go into detail anywhere on how we’re wrong, you provide no examples. All you can do is repeat trannylator cliches and cry about duh chuds. Explain how something like this >>737932249 is a good translation or fuck off
I have a question. What does "oto" mean? My character says it sometimes when landing from a jump. It's cute.
>>737932237>>737932249>>737932321Sorry bros I fell for your little cult a decade ago and voted for Trump, he didn't fix anything and was a Jewish puppetI just don't trust anything you retards claim, do you get it? You burned all your goodwill on 4chan by lying about political bullshit for years
>>737932345NTA, but the changes to the script are easily verifiable.
>>737928546Because they know how to make a chatacter more interesting and quirky. Use your fucking brain for once dumbass, you do have functioning brain right?
>>737932421>Gets blown the fuck out>Tries to bring Zognald into the argument to make the winners look bad by associationFucking pathetic lmao, they likely hate him more than you do
>>737928546They do this with every female character when localising. They turn them into overly aggressive cunts.
>>737932278Dubbed anime is also superior to subbed. English voice actors have a greater variety of accents to pull from with their own cultural implications. And instead of having to watch the bottom third to read a flood text the whole time, you get to enjoy the show, read faces, and body language. also ive seen so many videos of weebs praising japanese voice actors for all doing the same melodramatic mind broken scream that is used in every anime ever. its predictable and boring. their acting talent is fucking trash. has japan released anything worth watching in the last 10 years?
>>737932421We don’t like that Jewish faggot, we like Hitler. try again
>>737930464NTA but KYS immediately.
>>737932421>>737932481>>737932557Weird, you're a weird huma, alone, scared. What gives? You can always give up on punching yourself in the face and come to the good side. The happy side, the wholesome side. Hatred kills your brain.
>>737932421>immediately mentions trumplmao i'm not even american you fucking retard, kill yourself
>>737932628I actually thought you were an obnoxious leftist faggot, this was just bait the entire time. Lol
>>737928672Shlomos and yentas need to self insert into every piece of media ever released, they also want to normalize what they are, they run the US government too How dare the goyim not worship the circumcised
>>737932538Their brains are INCAPABLE of accepting that GOOD things can exist in this world and therefore they hate them.
>>737932553here's my last (You) to you since you're desperatedon't spend it all in one place
>>737932481>>737932557>>737932723You're upset because it's true. I bet you retards also shilled anti-vaxx rhetoric and claimed everyone who got the covid jab would be dead in 6 years
>>737928546I can't speak for the whole game, but I played through both Nier games with JP text and voices, and watched my bro play bits of both with English subtitles. For example early on in Automata's intro where 2B and 9S get surrounded by the big robots and self-destruct, 2B's reaction in Japanese is a distressed そんな!(Sonna!) which would be most appropriate to translate as "Oh no!" or just "No!". The English dubtitles instead opt for a sarcastic "Oh, great." that even people who don't speak Japanese can notice. They sometimes do this in FFXIV's localization as well, from what I saw. For example a scene pre-SHB where Tataru is pondering who the mysterious hooded figure is when WoL is trying to explain what they saw. In Japanese she has a neutral "A hooded figure, you say?" whereas in English it's "A hooded figure huh? A lot of good that's gonna do us."Like other anons have mentioned, English localizers turning all female characters into sarcastic tough girlbosses just because they can seems to be a common trend.
>chuds continue to lose every single timeYou love to see it.
>>737932767Yeah no wonder you’re defending lolcowlizers, you’re a vaxxie
>>737932784Is there a way to play with fixed english subs?
>>737932553Lmao hell no, how do people watch dubbed yugioh with a straight face, they turned the whole show into a joke
>>737932841You say this like we didn’t just unrape the yunyun translation by threatening and badgering the devs
>>737932843I'm just bringing up some easily remembered chud shilling points that later turned out to be a lie, and why people are reluctant to trust your claims
>>737932936Why are jews the most vaccinated demographic, turns out they secretly wanted that zyklon c
Remember when chuds claimed the war in Ukraine would be over in two weeks?
>>737932383Otto - おっと1) Verbalized when suddenly realizing something, or when surprised.2) Used when calling out to someone
>>737932767There's a difference between an established and tested method of vaccination, and a greedy cash grab perpetrated by the patent holders of a new, untested MRNA delivery who also happen to hold shares in global media corp and have also managed to remove the people that slapped them for pulling the exact same shit with the swine flu over a decade prior. But I can hear your hallway chirping from here, so this conversation is over.
>>737933115But why did you lie about it?
>>737933017>or when surprised.Ahhh, that makes more sense. In English then, it's be something like a quietly uttered "ah", when landing or exerting. Cool, thanks anon.
>>737928546Americans do not understand subtlety because they are a very mentally and emotionally stunted people, that's why everything has to be superficial stereotypes with them.
>>737932421They really did shoot themselves in the foot with that shit. I give their rants about as much credence as I do the danger hairs nowadays.
>>737928546>Why do localizers do this?It's not even about a cultural or political thing, it's the simple reality that localizers are paid more when they change more, rather than being paid more for doing a good job.Thus, the more you change, the more it seems like you're "putting in effort" compared to a faithful translation with some necessary cleanup so it's pleasing to the language you're localizing to rather than being stiff and robotic.
>>737933263>2hu image>utterly smooth brained takeIt checks out.
>>737932841You've lost the generational plot...
>>737933161>one chud said this thing so all chuds believe itMeds
>>737933338But it's that foundation of "more change = more pay" that invites these freaks to infest the niche of localization, because they can literally be paid to bastardize things they hate with a burning pissing fury.
>>737929309>Dispatch doesn't do anything in this chart (It even sexualizes characters more, and the male lead is a chad that wins and overcomes attempts to emasculate him, and the game's area is whiter than the real life location) >Retards still call it hyper woke trash and make up shit they heard a dishonest youtuber say instead of playing it
>>737933395>I'm one of the good chuds and never said vaccinations were bad!lol, if you say soAnyway, it's part of a broader point that chuds cried wolf too many times and shouldn't align themselves with proven liars and charlatans if they want people to trust them
Behead all chuds
>>737933525Go take a booster cuckmade
This guy is really gonna post in every single translation thread pretending to be a twitter fag huh
>>737933525>chuds cried wolf too many timesTrans genocide claimsBlack Lives Matter and the idea that black people are being hunted down in the streets for no reason by white copsICE is genociding illegal immigrants in concentration camps Chuds are going to make the handmaids tail a reality Etc
>>737933617go suck your trump dildo lol
>>737931202you just described average motherhood
>>737933637You're attacking your opponents rather than admitting your own lies, which doesn't look good to a neutral observer
>>737933651Go take trumps miracle vaccine cuckmade lel
>>737932767>he's doubling down on itlmao retard
>>737933263>>737933416>it's the simple reality that localizers are paid more when they change moreI don't think that's the case unless the localization companies are deliberately scamming their customers and the latter are stupid enough to accept such a retarded deal. Maybe if by more you also mean stuff like editing images and character models and other non-text stuff that constitutes extra work and thus extra pay, but generally speaking rates are based on source text word count (or character count in case of Japanese due to lack of spaces), precisely so translators couldn't pull off shit like this and increase their pay by inflating the target text word count. Translations do go through a proofreader which is figured into the overall price, but generally speaking they're expected to check for errors and that the text flows naturally rather than to make some huge changes nilly willy.Going by the insane shit they post on social media, English localizers changing stuff like characterization to their liking seems to be simply more about difference in values, lack of respect for the source material, possibly even lack of skill and overall professionalism. Skillful translators tend to focus on specialized non-fiction fields as they pay better, whereas pop culture translation like video games can be given to random schmucks off the street.t. someone who works in the industry not vidya localization though
>>737932365I like that you keep equating my post to "duh chuds" because you think I have the same peabrain you do and everything has to be tribalistic group-think. I said there's bad translation and gave an example, I just think the people posting like you are delusional and this delusional attitude will never make things any better because you don't actually have standards or care about art.
>>737933717>you’re not allowed to point out my lies, chudFuck you
>>737933815Retard
>>737928546k33L ALL tr@nnyLators
>>737933826No, I'm well aware left-wingers lie and have their own absurd conspiracies. Chuds are just as bad and both sides can only get by from attacking the other side rather than adopting a consistent, honest position.
The worst part of all these shitty translations is that they literally change the entire character and everything gets all fucked upImagine you were talking to some jap who knows english and the 2B he's talking about is completely different from you and not even canon. Fuck that
>>737933828>admitting he lost
>>737933908Maybe in lalala land
chuds are duds
If you have chuds this much in your head rent free just come out the closest and admit you want to fuck one.
>>737933782I'm glad I know more than one language, I feel like I should avoid english media because of how cucked it is Also the US doesn't have a future and neither does britcuckstan
>>737933987but you speak english on american websites
>>737933987This. I hope the US fucking dies and becomes forgotten so the rest of the world can move on and be better, I'm sick the US being why everything is lame and gay now.t. Burger
>>737933987>>737934051uh oh, chud melty
>>737934018How many languages do you know, americucks are retarded and everything they touch turns retarded
>>737934072then why are you here?
>>737933987America will hold on just fine until im dead which is all I care about. The boomers were right about one thing: if something wont be a problem until after you die then it isn't my problem.
>>737934072>>737934051>>737933987Life in your country must be pretty bad damn. Hope it gets better for you and maybe you'll get to live as good as americans one day.
>>737934060Do some drugs loser
>>737934127Smoke some fent and cope
why do chuds do that weird death spiral thing and start doomposting when they lose an argument, what a bunch of drama queens lol
>>737934198Take drugs and die
>>737934198Overall I keep getting reminded of what a doomed shithole the US is
>>7379289042B is literally just Yoko Taro's fanfiction misinterpretation of Rei, but with a larger ass. That's it.
>>737934287thirdie cope
>>737934293based actually
I remember when poltards could at least coherently defend their ideologies and make funny memes and shitposts. Their slchid successors can neither debate nor create funny OC. They just post twatter screencaps and screech slogans. Fuck you all for making me nostalgic for Ben garrison edits.
>>737934287senor you are from mexico
>>737928546I dont know, Americans are just that weird.It is what it is dood...
I play all my games in german
>>737928546who the fuck caresseriouslyget a job
>>737928729Their job is NOT to sell the game you dumb cunt.You won't read a single word of their injected self centred mental gymnastics until you buy the game beforehand
>>737928740Rare tranny W
>>737934051You could apply for an easily acquired passport in one African country if you're serious about escaping
>>737934365You cared enough to post dumbo
>>737934313>>737934345Your welfare will dry up shlomo
>>737934373>Seething chudThe US won't last
>>737934398damn you got me I am gonna kill myself now
>>737934401ok ahmed
>>737934327Well he got his grubby fingers on the Evangelion IP now so new Nier never ever
>>737934426Retard incoherently posts between fent hits
>>737934401get a girlfriend you incel cuck
>>737934462Seek help or kys
>>737934451Lol ugly pubehead copes, you'll take your booster if you want to keep getting your tard bucks, get culled
>>737934474Welfare queen lmaoooooo
>>737928620>>737929059so how would you portray them as strong and independent, but without being "written like a man", and without an emphasis on sex appeal in the style of jessica rabbit or catwoman?
>>737934474>>737934484Circumcised muttoid losers are seething from the ghetto lel
>>737934579Seething
>>737934365You will be soon without a job, faggot KEK
>>737934579I'm uncut, unvaxxed and unemployed personally
It was an improvement.
>>737934705...In dogshit.
>>737934579You mean Detroit?Or that disgusting pond of shit you call Portland?Lmao
>>737934578>oh yeah? why don't you do it, but you have to do it according to my strict guidelinesno:)
>>737934579Careful with that projecting bro. Seems like it's a little close to home huh
>>737934749Nah the entire US is a ghetto disabled halfbreed
>localization: fun, creative, maintains spirit of the original>AI: short, boring, loses all feeling
>>737934578feminine strength is inherently not independent because woman's role in society is to be a mother. thats why leftoids trip on this aspect so much.
>>737934792Ghetto shlomo gets triggered
>>737928546Laziness and political/cutlrue war stuff. The typical bullshit. It's weird because A2 is accurate enough in the English dub because her deal was using the blunt, sarcastic and bossy mask to hide the sweet, kind and good-natured part of her that died in the Pearl Harbor incident. Same thing with Kaine in any version of the Nier Replicant/Gestalt with an English translation.>>737932847There might be mods that fix the translation considering how old the game is. Check Nexus for anything of the sort. I don't like the way they translated these games to be more Joss-Whedonesqe. I don't need a straight translation, but something that carries the original tone and message of what's being said is a lot better than the botch job that passes for an official translation. Like people shit on Vagrant Story's translation, but it didn't fuck with the tone or the actual message of what was said. Just the manner of what people said to fit with the setting more, which is perfectly fine.
>>737934781i didnt say "why dont you do it", i asked HOW it could be done. because i get the impression that the mere concept of strong and independent is automatically translated as "written like a man", so the very concept does not exist to you. >>737934832>its impossible because womanthen your opinion is already immediately worthless because you think about humanity in terms of gender roles like a tranny.
How is this thread still up? What do we not pay the janny for?
>>737934926A woman can't be strong and independent, because the existence of women wholesale depends on existence of men. Without men they would go extinct in a generation.
>>737935074Asian peepo dun season dey games
>>737934578
>>737934578Step 1- make them futas
>>737935272Based.
>>737928546its because people are illiterate and can't read subtitles so they won't buy these games if they dont have eng dub - the quality never mattered
>>737934926okay i'll bite into your retarded bait>strong and independent woman character that's not a retarded unlikeable cuntPatausche KiviaAkameKohaku (+ Saphia)Vermilio (+ HyuraTsukino UsagiAlitaIsuzu SentoKinomoto SakuraKatsuragi MotokoMatoi RyoukoAndou MahoroRaphtaliaTista RockwellYonaMieruko-chanand so on so forthyou may now proceed to lick my fucking balls
you know, with all the time you've spent bitching about localizers on 4chinchin you could've learned japanese by now
>>737935743Why? AI is replacing these people
>>737935743No thanks, I'll just stick to AI-lations.
>>737935743How does that fix shitty translations?
>>737928573thrash? is that one of those invincibles villains i keep hearing about?
>>737928546They did it because they correctly thought no one would punish them if they did it. And they did it because their social studies professor told them to get a job like this and do the thing they did.
>>737935868NTA but it isn't likely to affect the worst commercial localization mishaps, as these type of changes are deliberate and ideologically motivated rather than language related. Instead of having a localizer manually doing the job and altering the script after getting the ick, you'll have someone prompting an AI to translate the brunt of the text and then have a human proofreader check it, who gets the same ick and changes the text accordingly. Or they'll just prompt the AI again to find any potentially non-kosher parts and suggest fixes.
>>737936270Or I can be the one translating it for myself and leave it as is.
>>737928546Dany in the books>Maybe more bloodshed isn't the right pathDany in the TV show>FIRE AND BLOOD>FUCK STRAIGHT WHITE MEN #GURLBOSS>WHERE>ARE>MAH>DRAGOOOOOOONS!
>>737936270They won't have a job to even be doing that.
>>737928546Why did you ask an AI this question first
>>737929636L
Direct quote from the guy that handled Nier’s translation
>>737928546Is that just in reference to the voice performance, or is the script fucked too?
>>737937395I think It refers to the "gestalt" nier script mostly. It's basically fanfiction. Replicant 1.22v is way more consistent.There's an english fan patch for the PS3 version of replicant that I've been playing through lately and honestly It seems to me like most of the text is either accurately consistent in the remake, or pretty much the same as the original.The voices are completly different though lol I think Kaine stands out more both in text and voice. She just swears more "creatively", at least now I know that most of the cheesy cringey lines come from the localizators, not the og scirpt lolI never noticed anything preachy though, never had a weird "wow this came out of nowhere and surely was added by the localizator" when I played It. Like with danganronpa v3. Hope that somewhat helps
woke翻訳家は前々から問題になっていたやつですね。勝手に人様の作品を改変するというのはリスペクトも何もない恥ずべき行為。wokeなら何をやってもいいと思っていて、絶対的に正義なので批判するほうがおかしいという思考。AIに反対する前に自分の仕事を見つめ直せと思う。
>>737934992based
>>737928546>What possible reason would a spiteful mutant which hates others have for maiming a character from a foreign developer?Now anon begins to understand why they seethe at foreign products. The female characters aren't puppets with feminist hands up their asses.
>>737928546is that the eng dub or the text?
>>737928546>that absolutely adorable gap moe when when studders calling 9S ninesI fucking KNEW it was different, everyone else said the dub was authentic but it never matched the tone of the JP voice and dialogue
>>737937395>>737938065Both text and dub. Problem with video game localizations is that in addition to dubs changing characterization and script, the changes are often reflected in the ENG subs with JP voices as well, as localizers don't bother creating two English versions for both the dub and the sub, and instead just use the dub text for both.
>>737934992>japanese 2b is a lady who is embarrassed to talk about it>eng 2b is a stronk boss bitch who tells them to stfuThe opportunity to present the female character in a dignified light is thrown out the window in the name of femitardisms. What a putrid industry it is in the west. You can't even portray proper gender dynamics without the freak brigade shitting it all up with their ideology.
For localizers subtlety and restraint is "plain" and "stiff", while bluntness and vulgarity is "flavorful" and "expressive". Their writing sensibilities have been completely poisoned by american mainstream media.
>>737937953you guys need to get over pearl harbor already, it's been more than half a century
>good devs bad localizersIf the devs cared about your experience they would make sure it was accurate to the original vision.
>>737937953Theres localization to convey the intended meaning of a scene and surpass cultural barriersThen theres localization that take the opportunity to inject Western feminist/w0ke/leftist ideology to an audience they would otherwise never have because w0ke games dont sell.With all the government aponsored propaganda and constant demoralization going on in the West. Which one do you think is more likely??I will take my chance with Ai and a direct translation anyday, and if Ai gets all these activists fired then it would be a good outcome out of a bad situation.
>>737940189Unless you are doing the machine translation yourself ai won't do fuck all except be shit.
>>737940475AI's awesome, though.
>>737940579No.
>>737940475I told AI to translate your post and it came out with>自分で機械翻訳を回すんでもなきゃ、AIなんてクソの役にも立たねえよ。
>>737928729>they translated his gender true to japanese version,they didn't you fucking baiting kike apologist. mario is disgusted by vivian in the manga when his gender is revealed, and he remains a man unlike in the english remake
>>737932383lel i know who you're talking aboutfuck im sad
>>737940729It can translate anything perfectly though.
>>737941031No.
>>737940754Dang, that's a highly accurate translation and it even nailed the 4chan gruffness.
>>737929321Play with subs and you'll already hear how her tone of voice contradicts the tone of the text; halfway there.
>>737941145Yes, it can. Give me any sentence.
>>737941153It even gave some alternatives and didn't insist on putting "SMASH THE FASH" anywhere.
>>737937198>main character does something terrible>some random mook brigands act terrified>.....>main character does something terrible>some random women act terrified>noooo muh sexism, why do you hate womenwesterners need to die
>>737928672Translation and localization has always been just censorship. As far back as Blade and Soul and TERA, they were applying, getting jobs in the industry, all to do this type of thing, that's before the big GamerGate cultural shift that radicalized females. These are ideological freaks that are in it for the destruction of the medium. Imagine the sheer spite of learning Korean, Japanese, Chinese, just to get jobs to fuck over gamers.
>>737934578You write them as compassionate and caring, who value helping others as a reason to go to action rather than just to do what's right. You put a strong focus on helping and supporting others rather than just fighting to fight. You make them respectful rather than brash with a strong focus on being respectable as people. A lot of focus should also be given to cooperation.
>>737941362>it even explains the Japanese perfectlyI'm still waiting on an explanation on why this won't take every translator's job.
>>737928546This is literally every single dub in existence, they don't and won't even bother hiring good voice actors since they know the people who consume the dubs in the first place are braindead so why even bother delivering an accurate experience to the original?
>>737941406all those wwords when you could've just said "onna kishi"which is also a female character type that the west is simply incapable of emulating
>>737941495How else are they going to afford bottom surgery?
>>737933717The other person just dismissed all reasoned arguments because Trump exists, you disingenuous faggot.
>>737941521Isn't that just Joan of Arc?
>>737941563kek
>>737941575you could argue
>>737941674くっ、殺せ!
>>737941650Español did it better
>>737941521Well I could've also said just write a Precure Cure
>>737941748
>>737941792With the fruchigauchipunchi and the ultramegachupi?
>>737941748仕方がない
>>737941873Yes
>>737941650what the fuck?
>trannylators lose so hard on the yunyun topic that they have to desperately deflect Sorry Blaustein, the jig is up.
>>737928620>>737934578Jung talks about this The reason why this happens, is because the “male” character within the female psyche “animus” is a manifestation of how the female psyche perceives the masculine. Aka animus is not a true masculine character but a facsimile. (Opposed to the anima, the feminine character within the male psyche, which is genuine bonafide female). You can see this in the form of XX and XY. The female is wholly female, masculine traits come from perception, and are not inherent. You CAN have strong independent women, but it needs to be built on femininity. It’s why the girl boss “act like a man schtick” is NEVER truly convincing, instinctively you understand it is not genuine.
>>737942115They're just making it more SPICAAAAY
>>737930012>capeshit is for adultsthe absolute state
>>737942190Jung is my favourite Deus Ex writer.
>>737941650the original japanese is using transliterated english words in katakana. translating that shit straight into english loses all the flavor. the spaniards got the right idea here,
>>737942292>the AI is faithful to the original JapaneseYes, we know that already.
>>737942292>loses all flavorDAY DON'T SEASON THEIR 'LATIONS
>>737928729does goombella still misgender her and essentailly call her a trap
>>737942456>>737942369it's the same as za warudo vs the world.
>>737929908>>737928546>claims to care about accuracy>is trusting an AI overview to summarize a topic and to not make shit up
>>737937953In hindsight they really should have stuck with thank you
>>737942292fuck off trannylator
>>737941521What’s the difference between that and Yamato Nadeshiko
>>737942752explanation mine, so don't go spreading it like it's gospelyamato nadeshiko is the ideal japanese woman. there's a lot of sstuff online you can read about it but basically it's about being a perfect woman, in the feminine sense. nadeshiko means some sort of flower, and yamato is how japanese people were called in the past, so basically the way i understand it is a perfect japanese flower, delicate and beautiful.in anime you see this kind of trope represented by someone like a himecut council president, perfect at what she does, dignified and such.onna kishi is literally "female knight".
>>737942571Yes, that's why you don't translate it as "the world" but instead as...uh....wait
>>737943536JEAN PIERRE EIFFEL
And she's the worst girl on bothThey also ruined best girl Zero
ART OF 2B AND DIANA TOGETHER, PLZ.
>>737932734>Doesn't wake up with snot bubble breaksImmersion shattered, game ruined.
End Fascism!
>>737941218Okay.「聞いて驚け! この魔導装置『誰でも簡単にイカサマ君』はな! 全ての事象を観測・認識する主観的客体たる自己視座から捉えた、直近数分内に起きた確率的変動性事象に対し、並行世界から不確定性原理を利用してその事象の因果律に干渉することで『ありえた確率』を操作し、自在に現実世界の結果を変化させる、誰でも楽にイカサマができる優れものだ!」
>>737944691Here ya go.>"Prepare to be amazed! This magical apparatus, the 'Easy-Cheat-for-Anyone-kun', is truly a masterpiece! From a self-perspective acting as a subjective object that observes and recognizes all phenomena, it targets probabilistically fluctuating events that have occurred within the last few minutes. By utilizing the uncertainty principle from parallel worlds to interfere with the causality of those events, it manipulates the 'probabilities of what could have been' to freely alter the outcomes of the real world! In short, it's an incredible gadget that lets absolutely anyone cheat with ease!"Funny text. Where does this come from?
>>737944663>causalityBasta fascism!
>>737942190>You can see this in the form of XX and XYwhat a bunch of voodoo lol
If there was a version of a game that was translated using AI, and a version that was translated by trannies, and you could pay for either, I'd pay top dollar for the AI.
>>737928546>using AI to find things to be mad about
>>737947635Based. So would I
>>737928729>20 years later, they translated his gender true to japanese version, and incels had massive outrage, even people who don't play nintendo games seethed and made rage youtube videos.They did NOT translate vivian to be accurate to the original. In the original version Vivian is a crossdresser. In the new version they added a new line stating that he "realized" he' a girl. They also removed the lines about all the other characters saying he's a man.
>>737928546The answer is that localizers are not linguists. Do you think the anime-watchers who translate video games have read a single scholarly article on linguistics? Do you believe that they’re properly educated and just pretending to be retarded? You can tell they have not, since they always use the same freshman excuses for why they translate the way they do. Excuses like “the original was too boring!” This kind of thing wouldn’t fly in any field other than cartoons and video games(children’s toys).
>>737947982>This kind of thing wouldn’t fly in any field other than cartoons and video gamesUnfortunately literature gets "embellished" translations all the time too
>>737947982>You can tell they have not, since they always use the same freshman excuses for why they translate the way they do. Excuses like “the original was too boring!” This kind of thing wouldn’t fly in any field other than cartoons and video games(children’s toys).Is that really a lack of credential or is it an ideological illness?
>>737947698>STOP NOTICING THINGS!>JUST ACCEPT THEM>GAWWWWD..
>>737928546i was able to pick up on her real characterization just by listening to her japanese dialogue with english subs and im n6. i much prefer her in japanese but i get americans like snarky humor and its a big AAA project.
>>737948042It's ideological. They change this stuff because they disagree with Japanese culture. These localization teams are in the farthest left wing parts of the US while Japan itself is very conservative, electing the right wing party literally every single time since they became a democracy.
>>737948108Every nip game I play (except fromslop) I play jp dub eng sub.
>learn a bit of jap, literally some basic sentences, around 150 kanji so far>watch yuusha kei on some anime site>every other line is mistranslated>it's not even mistakes, it's shit like one of the characters calling other character by name X, and it being translated as a nickname, and then vice-versawhy
>>737948493The dub or subs? Subs should be accurate.
>>737948649>subs should be accurateNigga the ammount of times I've heard a basic ass phrase translated wildly differently is unbelievable. fansubs are usually better than bigger groups.
>>737948649subs. it's literally stuff like teoritta saying わがきし! being translated into "Xylo!" and literally the other way around not 30 seconds later when she says his actual name. Stuff people haven't said, like completely different sentences.Shame cause the anime is great, can't find a fault really.
>>737929791I had the exact same experience. It's not even as if I disliked the english VA's though, they would have probably been fine if they were given the actual script and shown what type of characters they were supposed to act as.
>>737929973They did Zero significantly more dirty than they did 2b
>>737948914Oh really. Do you have timestamps for any of this? I wanna check it out myself.
>>737949172https://animekai.to/watch/sentenced-to-be-a-hero-xjq6#ep=11ep 11 when fighting with Boojum under the tower, just listen to the fight to hear what i said. however every single episode is like that.
>>737948493>calling other character by name X, and it being translated as a nicknameLocalizers usually drop honorifics and change xx-chan to xxasity or some shit. Supposed to appeal to a wider audience. Things were better when anime and manga was still niche.
>check this thread and expect some translator kike defending most tls while doing the both sides schtick to appear nuanced>was right, also the same buzzword spam as per usual with no value beyond sophistry/v/, most of you are probably newfags but the one anon here doing what I mentioned above has no interest in genuine argument's, they want to debate for the "debate" with "chuds" because they get off to it. They don't care about the integrity of the topic; they just wish to win the debate by any means necessary. This is why I would recommend r& and ignore the thread because they want to waste your time. You are an entertainment object to them, not a person with opinions and ideas that wishes to better understand them via argumentation. This is most of /v/ in a way. Stop feeding the trolls and lurk moar.
>>737949603the lolcowlizer ban evades too lmao
Apparently Marina's body language matches her personality closer in the Japanese dialogue than in English, although I personally attribute the body language to how I picture her in general, irrespective of her more irreverent English dialogue.
>>737949516Well, I'll be damned. You're right. She literally says "Xylo!"
>>737949549Good thing fansubs and fantls from alt groups still happen, I am learning Japanese and it has been worth it for me. Funny how eop translations by most trannylators are so shit they the motivated me to learn jp, thanks I guess?
>>737948042Por que no los dos?
>>737952224Well one can be fixed with good faith, the other cannot
>>737946385Rokudenashi Majutsu Koushi. More specifically the short story collection.
>>737953452Ah, I see. Well, I told you it could translate anything.
