> Entire fantasy species only exists so that adventurers have an enemy they can kill without morals getting in the wayWhy is this allowed?
this conundrum is the core concept of a long running webcomic
>>737929548The answer is in your own question.
>>737929548Key word>FANTASYI suggest you get euthanized sooner rather than later.
>>737929548So I can kill things without having to feel bad. If I kill a Chinese guy, I may feel bad because he's still a human, no matter how wrong his world views are. I kill an ogre, and I feel nothing because green people are always fake. I didn't kill something; I just lowered HP to 0.
>>737929548STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!WE’RE RUNNING OUT OF INTERNET AND YOU’RE HERE MAKING THIS VAPID THREAD YET AGAIN?!?!
>>737929548When I think of evil fantasy races like orcs, I think of black people. I'm anti-racist btw and donated to BLM.
Now that I'm actually thinking about it, have orcs or ogres used African shit like voodoo, witch doctors, or those white stripes that's on all their tribal shit? Like goblins are greedy little shits who have long noses, so them being jews I can get. But how are orcs niggas beyond them being not white and brutes?Also, is there a difference between orcs and ogres?
>>737929548Because its a game and you need baddies to fight. If the monsters you fought were all animals, your quests would just be glorified hunting trips.
>>737930792Arcanum has both Orcs and Ogres, and ogres are bigger and more retarded than Orcs, also half-ogres are bred as docile and loyal muscle for the gnomes via organized and systematic rape of human women.Generally Orcs are mean and green, not bigger than 130% of the baseline human, while ogres are huge, nonsapient.Although Shrek is an ogre and there are no orcs in that world.
>>737929548>The entire game exists so you can play itNo way...
>>737929548They're called monsters.
>>737929548list of videogames with female orcs/half orcs>pathfinder>warcraft series>baldur's gate 3>the elder scrolls series>sennen sensou aigis>hedon>raid shadow legends>shadowrun>two worlds 2>project nortubel>divinity original sin
>>737930792An orc compared to a human would be the equivalent of comparing a mongolian raider to a chinese peasant or some carnival strongman compared to a normal guy. An ogre is where you start getting into the territory of someone big enough to smash a building with a club or its bare hands, easily over double the size of a normal human and minimum 4 times the weight, like cyclopes from greek legends
>>737929804incompatible with virtue signaling scolds who want everything to have a "message"
>>737930792Honestly, WoW orcs have close-to-nothing in common with Africans/African-Americans. If you're a real schizo you can liken them coming through the dark portal to coming across on slave boats but lmao. They don't have African customs, they don't have African architecture, they don't do African things. It's literally just because they're muscular non-white savages. That's the entire comparison.
>>737929548That would mean that when coming across a baby of that race the only morally correct choice is to cave its head with a rock.
>>737931382Yes.
I always found this to be lazy as fuck and just makes a fantasy world feel more fake than it already is.
>>737930792I legitimately have never come across orcs that were even based on bad and/or stereotyped African culture.
>>737930306It ain't easy being green.
>>737929548Because it mirrors real life.
>>737931382They would do the same
>>737930792Anon, the people who say this are starting at a conclusion and working backwards. In absolutely no sense do they judge a fantasy setting on its own merits.
>>737930957Monster Hunter is build on that premise and its doing well. Then there are some alternates>Skeletons>Zombies>Elementals of all kinds of materials>Shadows>Robots control by one AI>Plants
>>737933335Monster Hunter isn't a proper RPG, it's literally just fantastical hunting trips.And what are you even implying with the alternatives? They would literally just be a variant on the orc theme of "baddy race you can kill freely without moral qualms." Is there something specifically bad about orcs?
>>737930957I like good guy orcs because orcs look cool and I always plays as them whenever a game lets me. I also like warhammer orcs and orks.
Tell me the difference between these 2
>>737929548The real question is why does this confuse you?Can you honestly not comprehend why people might fantasize about a world with clear morality?
>>737933454It's like I'm seeing double
>>737933454One's a lawyer, the other's a doctor.
>>737933454>>737933693Four orcs!
>>737933771yeah the one on the right is a witch doctor
>make evil race for your completely made up fantasy setting >trannies: NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THATS FANTASY RACISM!!!And this is why creativity is dying.
>>737929595Damn, sounds like some pretty SAD shit
>>737933454The one on the left looks like a distinguished gentleman that is probably a man of higher standing in orcish society. The one on the right probably doesn't behave in public transports.
>>737930957It's fairer to say Tolkien's orcs are more a generalised product of army modernization. Just pinning it on Shitler doesn't cover the strong anti-industrial themes depicted in orcs/uruk-hai turning everywhere they live into fucking Leeds over Tolkien's yearning that we all return to Diocletian serfdom in our little dugouts. Eugenics was pretty popular as a concept elsewhere. Most of Europe was basically /bant/ about it and America fucking loved eugenics even well after kerfuffle 2 so for Tolkien it's all under the same "looks like the industrial revolution fucking sucks let's all go fucking live in cottages"But he was also at the Somme. Not at the worst part because he's actually alive but when it was suitably miserable, so you know what that's fair.
>>737933810JK rowling gets to make an entire race of waifish creatures that kill my soul when I kiss them and cause all my fears to realize upon sight but she gets awards. Took Trannies a decade to realise.
>Accepting the premise that a piece of media need be taken to be wholly instructive and complete in its world for a 1:1 comparison with our own.Every fucking time. It's a book nigger, I know you don't read but it's even worse to treat everything like a bible. It's the same autistic shit people do when they question the logistics of the assassin city thing in John wick. Nigger it's not that fucking deep. If Tolkien wrote 50 more books about orcs and their life and history we can look into it but sometimes you just need something for the story. Because it aint fucking real.
>>737929548Elves = White people/NazisDark Elves = East Asians (White-adjacent)Orcs = BIPoC folxGoblins and Ogres = LatinxDwarves = Jews
>>737934185Well, the Nazis took it up a notch by having an actual super-soldier breeding program, which the Uruk-hai seem to be inspired by. I know Tolkien said it wasn't a WWII allegory, but there are definitely moments that feel inspired by what would have been current events when he was writing it.
>>737934859All wrong, tranny
I wish trolls were used more as a fantasy race. >Range from feral to mountain kings and master smiths>Reclusive, live in forests and under mountains>No troll looks alike, you can even have trolls with multiple heads>innately magical, "troll" literally means magic, innately have superhuman strength>evil to amoral (they have not yet accepted the divine light of christ)>Have a civilization but it's loosely organized and most trolls live alone>Older than the mountainsSort of a rival race to elves
>>737929548Because in a fantasy words such things as absolute evils can exist without any qualms or real moral implications due to the fact that things like gods, magic, and other things are very clearly laid out and known. The and said gods align themselves with clear forces of good, evil, and everything in between. To act as though some asshole god can’t make a race of violent dickheads not only shows a severe lack of creativity and understanding but it also demonstrates a lack of investment in whatever setting you are playing.
>>737933454one's a bro, the other's a ho
>>737929548because they're not real
>>737929548>brown man trumped by italian colonistWhat's his story?
>>737929548cause its basedextrafaggotry was wrong here to say its always bad, depends on the story you want to tellyou want a race with monsterlike humanoids that arent evil for your story? make oneyou want a race with monsterlike humanlids that are evil for your story? make oneone size never fits all, they tried adding depth to lotr orcs and it was just retarted in every way
>>737929548Because they are an allegory for Amalek and the humans as chosenites.
>>737934909Yeah, seems to (you) anon, not Tolkien. Be a death of the author fag if you want but don't be double gay by implying something that you yourself admit has no connection. That's more the fault that your education only gave you one source of eugenics to frame everything by. That's a (you) problem not reality.
>>737929548I love racism
>>737929548Why shouldn't it be? You're not making some sweeping statement like "X group of real people are all evil" you're making a fictional race that is one dimensional so that gameplay can be facilitated. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, and could even work into a larger moral question. IE you get morons trying to sympathize with the bugs/demons/orcs and realize far too late that an evil being can pretend to be good to achieve it's own vile goals, and such suicidal empathy is dangerous.
>>737935508>suicidal empathyI watched Frieren too!
>>737934859I know its a meme but people that do this are the most boring uncreative people there are>fictional races are just parallels for real human cultures and they all just act human but look differentGaaaay, lame, the whole point is that they are specifically not human and dont act like humans, any association to real groups is that person giving themselves away that they are just too fucking stupid for fiction.The whole point of making a non human race is to make them not human, not doing this is why we now have orcs in DnD who are just mexicans. Theyre literally just people that look different now, when the appeal of orcs (and fictional races in general) is specifically that they specifically ARENT human and dont do human things. The humans are suppose to be the ones that do that, things like orcs are distinct because they act differently to the humans. Maybe I LIKE the musclebound brutes that live for violence and the humans have to fight against what is essentially a demon that can talk shit, maybe I actually like that I can play as that too. Dont have fictional races at all if theyre just different flavours of human, there is no reason to have them at that point and theyre just including them because its expected of fictional settings.
>>737929595Goblins or Order of the Stick?
>>737929548Just like in real life.
>>737935401Does Lord of the Rings not also contain a scene where the land across the river has fallen and the armies of darkness now relentlessly beseige the capital city of an old kingdom, but just when it seems that hope is lost, a younger nation that once warred with the old kingdom, but have since become fast friends and allies intervenes and sweeps down on the armies of darkness and breaks the seige, allowing the Free Peoples to begin pushing the dark armies back into their lands?
>>737934185>ShitlerYou have to go back, tranny. We love Hitler here.
>>737935684I’M SAAAAAAAD
>>737929548>Why is this allowed?Because it exists in real life in the form of niggers and jews. If it exists IRL why can't it exist in fiction?
>>737929548>post-4E D&D removes alignments and "evil" races like orcs and drows because that's racist or whatever stupid reason>still keeps "good" racesFucking leftard double standards
>>737933454why did they make that orc black, wtf
>>737929548Why should it not be.
>>737929548>setting has evil gods that people freely worship of their own free will because they idea with the gods' ideology>races have been reshaped to follow these gods>you are supposed to sympathize with the evil
>>737930957As always, what you said about the orcs in Warcraft 3 is a lie.
>>737930792orcs have always been most similar to violent invading tribes that attacked the british islands like saxons and vikings.The Lord of the Rings is fundamentally just a fantastical parody of Great Britain. Hobbits are literally just british countryside peasants and the orcs are a stand-in for the various savages that invaded the island over time
>>737937557Orcs in WC3 were supposed to be shamanistic noble savage types, but are still amazingly, rampantly stupid and fell into the same trick again with the demons blood and routinely get into a unnecessary fights and slaughter humans, Night Elves, and just about everything else in their path with Thrall desperately trying to reign in their own innate retardation. The one Orc raised by humans is the one that is even remotely civilized.
>>737935128>ywn be an evil witch's favorite servent, granting you access to her coochie plus magical buffs to you
>>737937626Ehhhh, With LotR specifically it has to factor in things like Sauron who is second to a god. I always saw the orcs in LotR specifically as basically physical manifestations of Saurons will, where they are effectively demons and hes satan, and I dont know about you, but youre not suppose to reason with demons, because you cant. They lack the capacity for human behaviours because they literally only exist as the hand of evil and extension of Sauron, and are full of nothing but the thoughts of destruction, and fear of their master for not meeting that end.Orcs in LotR arent going and plundering a village because they need money to get the wife and kids fed or some historic grudge, thats a human stuff, they just want to destroy because that is what they live for, its beyond our capacity to understand because we are human and they are not. The marauder types would be the actualy humans in the setting that are savage invaders like the Dunlendings, who unlike the orcs, are brought around to the alliance in the end because they can be reasoned with as humans. Their grudges are based on something empathetic as a human, where the orcs cannot be reasoned with as they are literally just the physical extension of something immaterial; which is the ebodiment of destruction.Again, this is specific to LotR, but the archetype of barbarian orcs is always best when it sticks to orcs actually being barberous. Orcs are at their worst when they are just humans that look fucked up, at least make them Conan archetypes or something, I WANT my orcs to be monsters still even if they arent going to be evil "demons".
