>bla bla bla foolish fools bla bla bla my father bla bla bla my whip bla bla blaPhoenix should have just kissed her on the lips to shut her up
Phoenix should kiss me on my lips instead. Yes, both sets
>>737934117Shut up, Maya.
Sounds like a foolish idea that only a foolish fool could possibly conceive, fool OP.
>>737933952Fran always seemed like the kind of girl who would pee sitting down
She's so openly hostile that it's almost kind of cute.
>ask Clod to write an AA-like narrative, with a trial and a turnabout where the DA exposes the true culprit via cross>give a list of characters, with names, personalities and some content to use for the trial>3/3 attempts, the AI decides the true culprit is the cute, most cooperative and kindest girl in the castWhat did he mean by this.Either way, can recommend doing this, it's very fun.
>>737934217Don't all girls do that?
>>737934217>>737934585She'd pee standing up.
>>737934162that pretty racist...
>>737933952Nick is for Mystic Maya only.
The final update for Maya's Mission is dropping in less than 24 hours.Drink water now.
>>737938024>NTRslop
>>737938126who cares Maya isn't even dating him
>>737938169even putting shipping aside it's still weird getting off on watching phoenix watch his close friend/sister figure become the town bicycle
>>737934421>AI decides the true culprit is the cute, most cooperative and kindest girl in the cast>What did he mean by this.There's an old AA fan game that did exactly that
>>737938275>close friend/sister figure become the town bicycleWait I haven't played Maya's Mission yet and I thought she was only fucking one guy. Does this really happen? Based if so
What was his plan for escaping the death penalty after being imprisoned for the murder of Zak
>>737939319>death penaltyProbably got a lighter sentence due to his connections and apparent lack of motive.That is, until the last case.
>>737939010Interesting, but not concerning.Wonder how it was justified there. In the plot Clod produced, it turns out she really didn't want to see a certain other witness suffer any longer at the hands of the victim. So she went to confront the victim, things escalated and it led to murder.Clod kinda glossed over the fact that the other witness in question technically had a more solid and personal motive and it was an intentional red herring on my part even. He didn't take the bait lmao.There was also one contradiction that it would be honestly difficult to put in an AA case>last witness testifies about dying her hair>defense attorney points out that she does not dye her hair at all, because certain other people who knew her at some point mentioned that her hair are a "natural black">eventually this escalates into proving that her alibi is bullshit, and gloves that were supposedly used to apply hair dye were brought there to not leave fingerprints "just in case">also it's latex gloves, you don't dye your hair with latex gloves, to be fair if you set the contradiction this way though, it becomes one of those where you need a more specific knowledge and might feel completely unfair
>>737940138Ok but Kristoph is the guy that deserved to get away with his crimes the most in the whole series. Zak's case was literally a perfect murder and he only got caught because Phoenix forged evidence.Last case is even funnier because once again, there is no real evidence to prove he's guilty, he only gets fucked over due to the jurist system.>Villain so smart that the devs have to come up with artificial ways to take him downName a better character than him.
>saar i tell chatbot to write aa case for me so amazingeasily amused smoothbrain
>>737940341Keep your asshurt at people using modern tech in check, will you.
>>737940293>juristjuror
>>737939068No she doesn't, phoenix can decide to fuck her or if you take too long on day 5 she will get corrupted and fuck the antagonist,on the day of the trial you can decide if she should "persuade" the judge to remove your accumulated penalties, you will love the voyeuristic aspect anon all in all you will have much fun with the other girls of the cast
>>737933952FRANZISKA IS THE BEST GIRL
>>737940997Built for BBC (Big Brother Cock)
>>737940293>>Villain so smart that the devs have to come up with artificial ways to take him down>Name a better character than him.Go to bed Kristoph
>>737940293>>737942008Wasn't that the whole point of AJ?As in, the system could allow people like Kristoph to get away with it.
>>737934483Why WAS his theme song titled "Swimming, Anyone?" anyway...
>>737933952 This is my ship.
>>737943853yes, its quite unsubtle as per usual with shu takumi (I love his writing but still)
>>737943901Doesn't he tell Phoenix to go for a swim together right after they meet for the first time? Been a while since I replayed AA so somebody have to quote me on it
>>737944245He mentions going swimming multiple times, to you, to edgeworth and to the judge.
New entry in the franchise soon
>>737943853>>737944014Also wanted to extend it to the other cases but there is an odd one out:>first case has Wright needing to forge the card to catch Kristoph>third case has Apollo basically needing to force Daryan into confessing by abusing the whole international incident thing>fourth case has Wright literally needing to pull strings just so you can have a jury trial, it's our boy Kristoph againNoticed as much but...How was the system about to fail in the case against Wocky? My best guess is that he was going to die anyways if he never got a surgery, so the trial was a formality either way. Unless somebody exposed the truth about the op, that is, but not sure it's really relevant to the trial system as much the fact that Wocky works for a crime org. Even if he figured out innocent in the murder trial, he still got involved in a gunfight and it's not exactly a failure to... do something with this information, idk. Maybe they determined he basically never committed any criminal act despite acting like a G.
>>737933952>play AA as a kid>see franziska for the first time
>>737945060Wocky was a victim despite being a gangster, and his wife (and the doctor) were beyond shady depsite being normal civilians. It's not really about how the system is failing in the same way as the other trials but about how the system rewards bad behavior as long as you have a good reputation (see Kristoph)
>>737934421Dahlia is just that powerful
>>737945716>the system rewards bad behavior as long as you have a good reputation (see Kristoph)Guess poor Wright still has a shitty reputation then. He got vaguely suspected of forgery once and lost his badge for at least 7 years, despite the fact that he was revered as one of the best DAs around before Kristoph.But I can see the whole gangsters vs regular civilians angle somewhat.We will have to believe that nobody bothered to investigate a doctor making deals with gangsters, and a girl who just happened to be working there and now wants to marry into the Kitaki family.Especially odd since once he's dead, you would probably want to go through his safe, if only to make sure you can rule out shady deals.
>>737934421that isn't how 'claude' is spelled
>>737946517she's literally perfect
>i am a racist because i can't get over my first nipponese boyfriend being a killer (still suspected it was my brother by the way)What was his problem?
>>737946082Kinda funny to think even the AI has vietnam flashbacks about Dahlia and will just go for assuming that if a character has a personality vaguely similar to her, she must be the baddest bitch around.Not even actually true in this case, but still, clearly, most certainly, she must be the true culprit one way or another.Oh well, to be fair I would have done the same. Didn't give it to Clod, but I already wrote a rough outline of how I would have done the case myself - what he got from me were only profiles with basic information(age, job, how they look like), personality traits, and relationships between each other. Also added that basically all of them were hiding something and casually mentioned some pieces of evidence existing(when elaborating on why the defendant got arrested, typical stuff where the murder weapon belongs to them, there are prints on it, the murder happened in a room they own, they had motive and occasion as well).Most consistent absolute kinography was the first CE, because witness#1 is a funny character.Final CEs ranged from "low energy, the culprit confessed for basically no reason" to "fair enough, at this point the new evidence had confirmed the defense wild speculah"
>>737940997>>737945276>>737946517>>737947021Perhaps I found the right woman for you
>>737950087Fuck no. Raceplay is for faggots. Franny is just a cute tsun + ojou-sama.
>>737950087Kek, what the fuck.
>>737952473
>>737939319How common is Death Penalty in Ace Attorney? In Japan the death penalty is fairly rare for single case murder.
>>737939010Kek. That Apollo fangame with the "it was her" anagram right? Was stupidRhea Wits or something
>>737953714I knew I wasn't crazy thinking of Turnabout Substitution. I actually don't think I ever finished the game due to a bug, I had already called her to the stand but the game simply wouldn't progress despite presenting the candies on the right statement.
Conflict of InterestContempt of CourtTurnabout Of The Golden WitchTurnabout to El DoradoThe Torrential TurnaboutAngela Light: Ace Attorney (unfinished) Max Jehft: Ace Attorney (if you're French)Ace Attorney: The Feather of Crime (if you're French)here are some kino fancases and fangames you should tryif court-records is back online at least
>>737954428I've been telling myself to play the first two ever since 2018, I should really do it eventually.Also, no Turnabout Substitution?
>>737954593Hesitated to include it. It has legacy for sure, but like the first two cases of Contempt of Court, you can tell it's a fancase. Pacing and writing are all over the place but I can respect the effort
>>737953496From what I can tell, you get death penalty for premeditated (or sufficiently aggravated?) murder.Sahwit didn't look like on death row to me, since he seems to care about ingratiating himself with the prison staff in AAI2.Justified self-defense plea exists, Wright said he didn't want to take it because it would label Maya as a murdered even if she might not be punished for it. I would assume Vasquez isn't on death row then.Capcom might have forgotten about Iris, but supposedly she is still alive. Her sister was confirmed hanged though.
>>737955115>Capcom might have forgotten about Iris, but supposedly she is still aliveI want to see her reaction to Trucy
>>737934483People don’t even say “bless you” anymore, they just look at you like this
For me? It’s concept art genki tomboy dahlia hawthorne
>>737955643That might kill her internally, or awaken the inner Dahlia. It's still in her blood, and AA does a very interesting thing where family members are more or less the same personality type but with different quirks, or different ways to play it out. Pearl herself is also the same type as these two except unironically innocent.
Maya Fey in jail
>>737956428Imprisoned for cutefeet crimes
>>737938024based
>>737954428Only played Conflict of Interest and Contempt of Court, actually went through the latter again this last week. Both were great and I'd recommend them if you like the official games.
>>737956251upgrade
>>737956251What we got makes more sense, methinks. Both in the sense of what kind of girls Phoenix might be into, and general narrative sense since Dahlia appears to be a more typical harmless/sensitive girl than a genki tomboy.But the design definitely should have been used for a different one-off culprit character.
>>737956251Honestly the real mystery is how the hell we ended up with the final design.Those look completely different characters.
>>737956251We were ROBBEDI need a psycho tomboy so fucking bad man
>>737956251>>737957638Makes me wonder if Iris existed at this point and was she a tomboy too
>>737950225No i was not about the raceplay rather about her dominatrix style behaviour :), sorry anon if it lead you to a different conclusion
>>737958545The last pic you find on R*ddit has Iris(left) too.Guess that's the one where it felt like they got close to the final design, even if the vibe is still different, she looks more bubbly still.
>>737933952Edgeworth is a lucky guy
>>737933952Why does she carry the whip? Is it like her security blanket?
>>737958835That's still a completely different character
>>737959242It looks like her tail
>>737959180On Dahlia, yeah she has the dress but her expression gives off a more outgoing vibe compared to the final design. Think the initial idea was that she was supposed to be a cheerful girl On what might be Iris, I'm guessing they already wanted to make her a more reserved girl.Takumi must have thought it would be cooler if they both had roughly the same personality, except one is using it to manipulate people, and the other is just that.
>>737943967For me its Franziska x Larry
>>737940875Its jurist, idiot
>>737950087>its realLol wtf
I need retranslation of the whole series without localization
>>737956251how in the hell is this dahlia
>>737959941eat your jelly donuts, anon
>>737960374She is not, and that's precisely the issue.
>>737959941You want a soulless version?
>>737960609AA is one of the most soulful works ever written in the original text already. The localization is just what retarded mutts think it's "soulful"(read: shitty pop culture references and "memes").
>>737960775Oh, you're being serious. That's cute. Enjoy your boring shit out the slopbowl bro
>>737950087Dude stepped right into a doujin plot kek
>>737960837>slopThanks for invalidating your opinion and showing yourself to be the target audience.
>>737960609fake names and dialogues is the opposite of souland pretending the game isn't set in japan when the characters constantly visit japan themed locations like villages is retarded
>clussy came and went, destroying AA reputation for a while>mia getting the spotlight for a few seconds was as far as it went>nobody touched upon franziska, justine, the detective chick, the witch from aai2, the wolf dude's assistant from aai1, i think there was some hot chick in aa5, etc others i am blanking out onsolid outcome in a fucked up timeline i'd say
>>737961130The last thing I want is normalfags attaching themselves to Franny with dumb shit like muh whip mommy, fuck that
>>737959941>>737960775Sounds like you should've learned jap instead of english :^)
How are they going to top Queen of a country as the final culprit for AA7(lol)?
>>737962160You don't need to. The most memorable villain in the series is a psycho redhead who dresses nicely, not some authority figure or a ruler of anything.
>>737939319Hiring Apollo to defend him and get an acquittal or he would reveal Phoenix' forgery and take everyone down with him
On the subject of Dahlia.Why didn't Godot tie up Misty inside the inner temple, get her to channel Dahlia, and then rape her until she became a mindbroken cum slave for all eternity? That would have solved the whole case
>>737962707Because Godot wanted to fuck Mia.Having him fuck, even only hatefuck Dahlia's ghost would be some very advanced form of NTR.That being said, I support the notion that turning her into a cumslut would have fixed most things. You still have the scheming aunt to deal with however.
>>737934483DID THEY HAVE TO OUTLINE HIS NIPPLES
>>737959684God, no
>>737963375It's either that or Adrian.
>>737963375God, yes
>>737962707godot was out for blood. that wouldn't have quenched his thirst
>>737957210I think it’s actually miss opportunity. I’m fine with the dahlia we got, but if you think about it the genki version fits way more with the fey clan. Pearl is her (half) sister after all. That’s the worst plot point regarding her because it’s pretty poorly telegraphed, but it would’ve been slightly foreshadowed if they had anything in common.
>>737947479(me)>attempt a 4th because the thread reminded me and why the hell not>actually fucks up wit#1 for the first time, making the CE basically irrelevant and not even funny(come on, this one is important, and it was consistent so far)>still hasn't selected the true culprit but I will fucking bet it's wit#3 again>barely anything you can use in Day 1, hoping Day 2 is goodClod my man why are you like this.
>>737934117mia....
>>737940997based
>>737959789I missed the part where common citizens were jurists, but you do you
>>737963424I am fine with either Nick, Miles or Adrian Just no Larry
>>737959684>>737943967>>737964253Do you know it's canon that Franziska has an older sister that Dad wasn't too happy about not mold in the first born into being a prosecutor like him not supposed to be the one who has the daughter his granddaughter with a cat named Phoenix the old man mansion.
>>737965065There is another option
>>737946517She's shotter when she's 13. Not even for UOOOH reasons, she's just sexier that way.
>>737962160I personally really hate how they keep "powerscaling" Ace Attorney villains, progressively making them have more legal authority or status. Feels like lawyer equivalent of cheap shounen shit where the only way they can make a villain interesting or have stakes is by making them stronger than the previous villain.>>737965347It's her outfit and the bare pits
>>737962160a minor/child who can't be judged by the law yet and could escape on a technicalityyou'd need something like blackmail with engarde to bring them down
>>737959941Just learn Japanese bro
>>737965438>I personally really hate how they keep "powerscaling" Ace Attorney villainsSame.Again, the villain everyone remembers in AA is somebody who you could deal with it extremely easily. A weak-looking and fragile girl who can barely defend herself if you actually wanted to do anything against her, who can't even lie so well in court, and only really got away with everything because no one really expects it from her.
WHO WILL CONTINUE THE VAN KARMA BLOODLINE?!
>>737965818Who will continue the Fey bloodline?Who will continue the Wright bloodline?Who will continue the Edgeworth bloodline...
>>737965639PEARL NO
>>737965818See >>737965184
>>737934483I replayed AA1 recently and I have to say he's one of the more underrated culprits in the seriesHe's like a more believable version of von Karma, someone established in the justice system, where rather than being a comical perfectionist, he was just someone who lost faith in due process and took drastic measures to ensure other criminals would be caught.
>>737965347your GRANDCHILDREN are gonna need GRANDCHILDREN lawyers
>>737934483long ass case but it gave us best girl
>>737943901A lot of the OST in the early games is mistranslated. "Congratulations Everyone" is meant to be "Happy People" for example. I wouldn't be surprised if his is meant to be something different since Japanese can have like 5 different meanings for the same word or probably he just liked swimming and asked half the cast to do it with him. His unused theme was cooler honestly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtKxjp6be88
>>737966389true
>>737961130We truly are in the Dark Age of Ace Attorney. Let hope Capcom announces a new game in 2026 to totally prove that correct.
>>737966616angel starr is so pretty and hot, it's hard to stay focused during her testimony
>>737966631close, lana is the best but emma is a close second
>>737933952I'm still mad she wasn't in AA6. Having Nahyuta rush back and forth between Kuhrain and California ;^) was retarded when you could've just brought her back with the idea of her going up against Phoenix Wright to finally best him in court only to learn he's fucked off to Kuhrain and he's not coming back till he fixes that shit, which makes her so angry that she instead wants to beat his protege's in court, Apollo and Athena. Having them go up against her would've been a pretty fun mix, but I guess the B team hate showing anyone from before AA5 so we'll never see half the fucking cast again.
>>737966780>it's hard to stay focused during her testimonyBecause of her delicious lunchboxes?
>>737966780She'd be like throwing a hotdog down a hallway.
>>737967578yes, those lunchboxes really make my mouth water
>>737967578When I see her I'm always reminded that she is supposed to be short, but the sprite is clearly one of the tallest females in the game.What did they mean by this.
>>737967731Her and Red Whites secretary make me want an AA hgame
>>737967812Look at the heels she's wearing >>737966780
>>737968019Fair enough. The sprite doesn't show those.
She needs to get a life and some dick
>>737967840Isn't that Maya's Mission?
>>737934663Into my mouth.
Thena the wife
>>737968757Very cute. I just started playing Dual Destinies for the first time and she's already growing on me.
I play Gina Lestrade, and end my turn.
>>737968870woah! And i thought british girls were supposed to look hideous!!
>>737968927She *is* hideous.
>>737968757hotwife*
Franny sexo!!
>>737969206what is wrong with her?
>>737933952capcom has great pairings that go nowhere honestly
>>737940997>Edgy married KayI can't believe Franziska will die a virgin unless she settles down for Gummy.
Still Best Girl.We should all thank her father for how she turned out.
>>737972205schizo shine maiden sex
>>737934483Easily the worst """final""" (DLC actually, I guess as the DLC cases it's the second best one after the Dual Destinies one, which is only good because it had Maya in it) case in the game and a shit villain which had a sub-zero intimidation factor.
Why do we constantly have to find the real killer and prove method and motive for the murder? Proving the defendant didn't do it isn't enough?
>>737966268how is he underrated, the dude gets proper glazing everywhere you go.an actual underrated culprit from the first game is Dee.
>>737972930Most of the time Phoenix just presents a possible scenario for how the defendant wouldn't be guilty and the prosecution's argument remains the most obvious explanation for the crime. It's not until Phoenix makes the real culprit break down and confess on the stand or manages to prove that the convoluted plot to frame the defendant actually happened that then the defendant is clearly not guilty in the eyes of the court.I don't think "beyond reasonable doubt" is a thing that exists in the Ace Attorney court system so as long as the defendant is the most likely suspect, they're still going to be convicted even if there's no absolute proof they did it.
>>737967198It's for the best, AA6 is such irredeemable dogshit that it would have tainted her character to be in it, like it did Maya.
>>737972930>why do we need to solve the mystery in the mystery solving game
>>737939319Second worst final villain in the series, after the DD queen.
>>737959242I don't remember seeing this Franziska in the game
>>737973351there is no queen in DD, you are thinking of 6.On that note I feel like the Phantom gets overlooked in how bad he is in execution regardless of how good his concept is.
>>737968870>>737968927She is easily the most out of touch with reality British anime-style character.
>>737973472Oh yeah right. I don't know why I keep mixing them up.>>737972764>Easily the worst """final""" (DLC actually, I guess as the DLC cases it's the second best one after the Dual Destinies one, which is only good because it had Maya in it) case in the game and a shit villain which had a sub-zero intimidation factor.*after the Spirit of Justice one
>>737973321Didn't Maya show her naked breasts to everyone in the courtroom in the 3rd case?
*sniffle* *snort* wuhhh... *sniff* b-buh guhhh nnghh *sniffle* whmm... b-buhh bbblbl-bguh... nnguh *sniff* *whimper* muhh
>>737973664
>>737946517I really did like that they hit you with that moment at the end of the game like that.
>>737972205>>737972630I don't know, for some reason I thought she had syphilis
>>737956428Her home away from home.
>>737962160I mean, at this point, I think they've simply run out of authority figures to really have as culprits. Maybe that's why we haven't gotten a new game lol
>>737974169You say that but they already used a judge twice(three times technically), I don't think repeating tropes in a series that endlessly repeats its tropes and plot points, is a limiting factor.
>>737965438god i wish normal franny was a pitslut
>>737972205>Planned to break out of holding several times, probably would've succeeded but was talked out of it>In what is probably the greatest powermove in court history, he pretended to be a fucking demon.>Bailiffs believed it; couldn't restrain him>Holding guards believed it, swore fealty to him>Edgeworth WISHES he could wield such power; must forever be satisfied with updating autopsy reports>Never got called to testify, did it anyway>Literally did nothing wrong and was fully acquitted>Despite being a local pariah, exited the courthouse to a cheering crowd>Celebrated by taking his clothes off in front of crowd>Crowd proceeded to cheer even harder>Also has super cute daughterThis motherfucker was the BEST client and I'm tired of pretending he wasn't.
>>737962160There will NEVER be an AA7 as long as I live
>>737962160I mean, Redd White was literally Epstein, but he wasn't a final culprit.
>>737973664Brilliant scene to be completely honest, good case study on how you can completely elevate character in one short scene
I still haven't played Spirit of Justice
>>737973664she wants a hug or a fug
>>737975497basedI bought the trilogy on Steam on the first Xmas sale after it came out and yet I only finished SoJ last year
>>737975391Redd White is like OJ Simpson if he looked like Ronaldo and dressed like a Hunger Games noble.
>>737975497It's an atrocity
>>737975814Wasn't OJ Simpson more Justice celebrity instead of a powerful businessman ?I'm pretty set up plenty of powerful businessman who screwed up with no influence you could use in spend
>>737966349I'm Henry Furth
>>737977484For the love of god, stop letting your phone autocomplete your words.
>>737975090I actually didn't see the twist coming. It didn't help that the prosecution built an entire motive around a literal assumption without actual evidence backing it up. Blackquill is shit. They should've just brought in Winston.
>>737965438quercus alba was basically untouchable. he could have walked away anytime yet he kept rambling and digging his own grave. it makes no sense
>>737945060its why I appreciate AJ a bit more than some because it at least tries to have a consistent theme across one game
>>737946253>one of the best DAsthe fuck are you talking about? he's a defense lawyer, not a prosecutor
>>737945060The court allowed the most nonsensical law firm to represent Wocky. That's where it failed.
>>737963319AA is a fujobait franchise.
>>737978771Defense Attorney, not District Attorney
What's your favorite Franziska fanart? Pic related was life-changing for me.
>>737980641Is there actually good Ace Attorney art? I feel like most of what I see kinda sucks.
>>737980641in terms of lewd prob this one
>>737933952yes
>>737938024The best part with the hidden cam stuff is pretty much over already, isn't it?
It's been 19 hours, start posting the porn already.
Fran x Phoenix just makes too much sense and should be canonised. Phoenix x Fey just ain’t right. Mia was like a mother to him, Maya is like a sister to him, and Pearl is like a daughter to him. Fran has been an enemy, a rival, and a friend. But most importantly an equal.
>>737984307get rid of the dom shit and it's cute.
>>737986354No way, this one's romantic and erotic as fuck.
>>737986354You’re fucking gay and you should h*ng yourself
>>737987628>if you're not a sub, you are gaywhat kind of tard logic is this
>>737987628Sadism and masochism are civilization-destroying mental illnesses.
cute and canon
>>737988371I've put off playing the second trilogy after enjoying the first because I know they aren't married and she isn't pregnant in them
cozy series
>>737988808trucy looks very cute and adorable in a kimono
>>737933952why is she allowed to use a whip in court?
Bump because I need you to look at this.
>>737992686Sorry, how is this related to the thread?
>>737988808Good old traditional barbeque.
I wish godot could come back and join the wright anything office>you see godot and phoenix talking about the good old days>godot becomes a secondary mentor to the young rookies athena and apollo>still suave and smug. Call apollo junior and decrys the fact that they all have special magical gimmicks. Solves his cases using classic investigation.>still chugs coffee like its water
>>737975090>case is retarded>twist is GOATedI've never been more confused about my feelings over an Ace Attorney case.
>>737972930Because it wouldn't be as satisfying if you didn't need to solve the mystery and corner the culprit ala Columbo. At some points the judge does act like the defense can win once they proved the defendant innocent(DGS-3 plays blatantly on this one, you don't expose a different culprit at all), but something always happens to make sure the trial doesn't end there, typically what >>737973230 said(which wouldn't be a valid argument for the prosecution to make, but somehow the judge decides to sustain it).On that note, sometimes I wish AA tried to make the courtroom part a little more immersive. No need for it to be "realistic", that would suck, but for instance you will notice things like the judge/prosecution never talking about direct exam/redirect, or that supposedly only the defense can do cross-examination even of their own witnesses(that would be the prosecutor's job here, at best the defense can redirect afterwards).Everyone appears to be a little too unconcerned about new evidence being presented mid-trial or popping out of nowhere, as if there isn't a chain of custody. Also you could throw more generic forensics/expert witness characters to make more precise questions about how the victim died or certain pieces of evidence, idk. Or hell, even psychological inquiries since AJ trilogy starts dealing with that.And ironically enough, there is a lot more shit you can object to, even if you want to keep the part where somehow the lawyers just object directly to witness statements AND for questions they asked lol.
>>737993834hes dead chum
>>737989985In the localization it is implicitly explained that it's because the Axis powers won in WW2 and therefore as a German woman she had special privileges over the American Untermenschen.
>>737994214It would be nice to have more examination segments and witnesses but the cross examinations take long enough as it is
>>737993834his arc is over ladno reason to bring him back unless you’re a funko pop/memberberries kinda guy (which tbf is the core audience of the series post aa4)
i like her too but she is literally just female Edgeworth , which is BASeD since he is the best character but still.Thinking about it I kinda wish there was a female Riku in kh too, since she would easily be best girl and convert some of the fujos.
>>737995743If we want to go there, they really need to do a character who is female Phoenix.Also, if anything Franny is female Manfred, just not as corrupt as her dad.
Why do people still pretend Phoenix isn't gay?I'm not saying I want it to be like that, but it do be
>>737995743>female RikuThat's basically just aqua. Granted I'm being generous by assigning her any character traits at all.
>>737995939Because he explicitly is not gay in the text of the work. 3 makes it very clear that he is attracted to women. Just because Capcom are cowards and are more interested in pandering to fujos than developing characters doesn't mean they can sweep that under the rug. So we will eternally be stuck in this limbo where it's very obvious he was never supposed to be gay but he's not allowed to be explicitly straight anymore, so he's just nothing.
>>737992686
>>737995939It's only /v/ that does, from what I've seen, or atleast this overwhelming majority. Everywhere else, it's the other way around.
Okay but why would Phoenix not tell Trucy and Apollo that they are siblings as soon as he finds out at the end of AJ? Surely he HAS to know that they're gonna bang if he doesn't say anything right away...
>>737995939Because he fucked Iris(who was pretending to be Dahlia) and was "madly in love with her"(actual court records). 3-1 makes it clear enough he might have some reservations about dating now, but he, objectively, without much room for reasonable doubt, dated a woman and loved her.
>>737997173for the lulz
>>737997173They set it up like it was going to be a major storyhook they'd follow up on in AA5 which didn't happen. Guess that's what happens when you switch writers between games.>>737997176Unless stated officially otherwise, he's bi to me based solely on his relationship with Edgeworth. There's just too much evidence.https://youtu.be/MJeN4QmLSVY?si=ery1tRXCGSbEMWV7
>>737997173Phoenix wanted this to happen.
C&C!
>>737997680There is literally no indication that he has any romantic feelings for Edgeworth. He is invested in edgeworth's wellbeing since they're friends/rivals, but at no point does it resemble what we've seen of Phoenix's actual behavior towards people (WOMEN) he loves romantically. You're just a fucking fujo who wants him to be gay cause you get off to it.
>>737997948Where's the C in the left guy's name
>>737997952would you want him to be a canonical fag? fujos are gonna fujos regardless but no shit he is not a faggot.
Phoenix logically must be a homosexual because he hasn't had sex with his legal and barely legal assistants
>>737998035I don't care if a character is gay or not. What bothers me is that he has an established sexuality that has been forced into the background to pander to retards that don't actually care about the stories or characters. If he was gay from the start (not exactly likely for a Japanese GBA game) then it'd be just as annoying to see people say he should be banging Maya.3 made it explicitly clear that he was waiting eagerly for Iris to get out of jail. The fact she has never been mentioned again is an indictment of the writers and the people they're pandering to by ignoring that. It's probably yet another casualty of the retarded time skip that ruined the series by destroying the entire cast.
>>737997793>Apollo, I need you to continue the Wright lineage.>>737997952>There is literally no indication that he has any romantic feelings for Edgeworth.The fact that he changed his entire career choice for a guy he knew for one semester in grade school? And again, unless officially de-confirmed it shouldn't matter anyway what headcanon people have about it regardless.>You're just a fucking fujo who wants him to be gay cause you get off to it.I'm a man and I think he is based on what I've seen and played in the games themselves.
>>737933952The guy is almost 40. No wife, no gf. Is he a closet homosexual?
>>737933952Does she fuck?
>>737933952Maturing is realizing that AA2, AAI2 and AA5 are all contending for the Worst-AA-Bowl
>>738001610AA2 and AAI2 are the fourth and third best games respectively
>>737992686a cookie?
>>738001523Yeah, she fucks me.
>>738001762AA2 is the third worsted, AAI2 is the second worster and AA5 is the worstest* ftfy
Also I >>738001861 forgot to add, I'm trans btw
>>738002030How did you know
Chat, is AA7 real???
>>738001861Well, you got DD being the worst right, at least.Nobody believes AAI1 is better than AAI2, and that includes you, contrarian-kun.
>>737940997doitforher.pngwhy hasnt pheonix settled down yethe shouldnt have returned to law, he was much cooler as hobo in aa4, it suits him to be only the teacher
>>738002357I'm gonna jerk it to her in a few minutes, I reckon, mmmmhmmm
>>738002357God, she's even hotter when she's bawling her eyes out
>>738002436I absolutely believe that, AAI2 is overly self-indulgent garbage kekAAI1 is a 5/10 and AAI2 is an easy 3/10
>>738002625Wow, you are a really brave & fierce transwoman then
>>738002712Thank you!
>>738002625AAI2 is the most tranny AA out there thoughbeit
>>738002250Yes. It's about magical girls, I hear.
4-4 was so bad."you have no evidence i did it! i win!""too bad kristoph, its a jury trial so we dont need evidence""WRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT"all while apollo says fucking nothing and stands there
>>737940997
Big Top is one of the best cases
>>738003505Manfred needed more moments like that. He might be one of the most corrupted motherfuckers around, but maybe he was a good dad to Franny.
>>737938275Phoenix fucks like 4 different people in the game too
>>738003549I know you're saying this in jest, because "hehe, everyone gonna get mad at this! look mom! I said the meanie poopypants case no one likes is good!".But Big Top is easily better than every nu-Phoenix case (all of AA4, all of AA6) except maybe the case with cute girls from AA5... oh and Trucy's case from AA6 too. It is especially especially much better than the watered down ":( but I only wanted to kill an innocent animal and in that process I killed an innocent man accidentally, ah shucks, but I tried to save him! so relatable! that means I only get 3 months in prison!" DLC case from AA5, which has a similar premise to Big Top.Alas, most AA players are NPCs so they cannot realize just how well written Big Top was behind all the unfunny circus performers.
>>738003581>but maybe he was a good dad to Franny.He's also a good husband
>>738003349great ace 3 broke my immesion hard.>not one inspector had one single photo of the omnibus
>>738003349AJ is just bad overall, 4-4 wasn't even the worst case in this game.
>>738003737>in jestno, i mean it.the only criticism i always see is about regina but everything about it is perfect, the cast is likeable (minus ben), the pacing, the story, how it all went south because of a small joke, acro not having one of those exaggerated reactions when he is caught, his motive
>>738003963Whoa buddy! There's a Daigyakuten Saiban 3!!!?
>>738004032Only because 4-3 forces you to listen to that shitty song over and over again and pretend that a 10 year old *girl* (to me) can fire some Desert Eagle ass .50 cal or something without losing his entire arm.
>>738004049How could you miss it, literally the best game in the entire series
So it's basically canon that the Reeyuo... Narrow-odo guy impregnated the geisha girl (TL note: "geisha" is Japanese for "prostitute") and that eventually lead to their great-great-great-great-grandkid, Phoenix Wright?
>>738003834Based. Gives me the impression of these villains who are actually very nice to their immediate family, friends, and maybe trusted subordinates.Can't imagine Franny's direct reaction to finding out what happened in 1-4, we only see it after she had a lot of time to process it.
>>737998380>It's probably yet another casualty of the retarded time skip that ruined the series by destroying the entire cast.Time skip could've been used well, but due to the mostly lukewarm/negative reception of AA4 they just forced the writers to go into overcorrecting pandering mode(Phoenix's personality getting reset, Apollo and Trucy getting shafted, no Iris because Maya and Edgeworth shippers)
>>737933952the fujos arent gonna like this post
>>738004351Realistically speaking, Manfred has never done anything bad until he assaulted Phoenix & Maya in 1-4.
>>738004351Von Karma wasn’t even a villain before DL-6. I wonder why the AA writers made so many characters villains once they got older and gained power. The only guy who got old and remained good is the judge, but he acts senile most of the time.On second thought, it’s kind of realistic, but they repeated this shit way too much.
>>738004971Guess he's going with the "young idealist grows up to be consumed by his ideals to the point of abusing his powers, and eventually betraying them" thing.Von Karma supposedly believed that justice is served through perfect proceedings and being undefeated means he is making it work perfectly, but reality got more complicated than that.
>>738005303>"young idealist grows up to be consumed by his ideals to the point of abusing his powers, and eventually betraying them" thing.Then they should lean into this more. It would be really cool if the old cast (Phoenix/Miles/Maya) also went through this transformation and became the BBEGs in the next game. Too bad Capcom would never do this or release a sequel.
>>737934421
>>738005893
4-3 on any somewhat modern release is just a good case. I didn’t even know it was hated until well after finishing the game. Anyone still complaining just needs to get with the times. They fixed the big issue with it and now it’s totally fine.
>>738004971@Grok, censor Gant from this picture
>>738005936
>>738005936>8V G H.Yeah ok if she showed up like that, her character would work as intended even on the player.
>>738004424He was already hiding stuff during the trial, plus the whole murdered Gregory in cold blood.>>738004351Given Franny's reaction to her first loss was whipping Phoenix until he blacked out from the pain and running off. Good chance she thinks her father was justified.
>>738006031>presumed blind kid shot a man with a fifty caliber revolver with no injuries
>>738005893>>738005936>>738006134>1She has a "probably just a one-off with a gimmick" aura. Doesn't really convey the concept at all, aside from not looking like your first choice for the true culprit.>2Who the fuck is this. Cute one-off girl, I guess. Does convey the idea of a character who might be likeable as much as Maya if she wasn't fucking evil.>3I like this one, but I don't think it has anything to do with Dahlia's concept at all. She looks like too much of a perfectly common cute girl, not even trying to put up a front. At least 2 has a genki act going for it.>4 Okay what are you even doing anymore. Also cute, but literally not even close.>5Looks like a bitch already. A sexy one, but still.>6That's when they finally decided she has to wear an elegant dress, nice. Honestly this design conveys the idea of the final one already.>7Cuter version>8UOOOOH version, shame it's not the final one.>9I can see what they wanted to do here with the butterfly motif. She looks more high-class than the others.>10Pretty cute too>11Very much the same character as the final, but actually cuter so it's sad they didn't settle with this one.
>>738006992>Good chance she thinks her father was justified.To be fair she was taught and raised by a Manfred who had already lost his way and only cared about having a perfect record
>>738007898I think the issue with these draft designs is that they would still be sexy/cute after Dahlia reveals who she really is, they wouldn't pull the fragile and demure to heartless bitch switch all that well. If they had gone with draft 11 or 8, she wouldn't attract as much hate as she does, but on the other hand there would probably be more demand for Iris to be brought back.
>>737972764I don't even consider it part of the main trilogyIts the precursor to all of the pacing problems and iconography/gimmicks the lesser Apollo Trilogy introduces
Phoenix the GreatApollo the LesserMiles ...?
>>73800874011 could have worked imo, even if yea she would stay cuter. In those terms I guess the final design tries to balance it better, plus she gets the devil horns hair.Fair enough on 8, even her "evil" expression there makes her look like a shitty brat more than a heartless bitch.
>>738009151Miles the Major (in law)Franziska the Minor
Where's the porn?
Huh
>>738011795I have all of it.
I'm bi so I want to mouthfuck Maya as Edgeworthless rails me
>>738009151the fraud
>>738007898Based rater
It's incredible how many unfucked cute girls are in the series.
I really want to wrap my arms around this girl and give her little kisses on the head.
>>737950087it's not real, his face got posted, he is some weird looking brown indian with a elongated face and bulbous eyes
>>738007898Based raper
>>738009942>the Minorwho is behind this post, gee
>>738013319If draft 8 made it in, I would say "Terry Fawles did nothing wrong".
Franziska's eggs have dried by now
>>737950087Femcels take note, this is how gigastacies get their guy.
>>738013314>his facewhose face? the woman who took her tits out? is a he?
>>738013495not true
Franziska owes me sex
Franziska got relentlessly got fucked by many german men
>>738013162I hope Gumshoe got to bag Maggey
>>738014783Not by many, just by some of the gigachad ones.
>>738014547judge....
>>738016940*Black judge
All judges should be Black, they are wiser by nature
>>738007635As a side note it makes Emma completely retarded to the point of character assassination.>Hey Apollo I know I was right there with you when the victim was dying>But I'm going to forget that the vent was closed when we were in the room so I'm going to make an accusation that Machi left via the vent and not from the door that we heard shut when we walked in the room>Also I'm going to assume that the only reason why he missed the shot was because he was Blind>except he's not blind and Klavier knew about this and just didn't tell me because fuck himShe's basically an entirely different character for the sake of making sure we follow the "retarded detective" trope instead of making a new one, and I know people handwave this by going "she failed her dreams because she was too stupid, ofcourse she's like this" But she wasn't this dumb in 1-5, and she isn't this stupid in her other appearances after this (the two investigation games, and 6) She's only this dumb because Takumi couldn't figure out how to write a non retarded detective to justify the cases playing out how they do via the traditional formula.>>738004036Honestly if it wasn't for the cast I'd have no problem with 2-3, but none of them clicked with me so it's way down there.>>738003349It is staggering how much NOTHING happens in 4-4 and how little you actually do in it, I honestly can't think of a worse send off case, it's a climax that holds your hand the entire time and is impossible to lose or get stuck on.
>>738017862>"she failed her dreams because she was too stupid, ofcourse she's like this"Weird argument because I don't think Ema was ever supposed to be a dum character at any point. In AJ she is just grumpy and not too invested because she wanted a different job to do more science.Everyone is dumb in 4-3, it's not exactly a specific character trait of hers if you get what I mean.
>>738018145Yeah that's fair, It's more me being annoyed that I've seen people defend off screen characterization rather than just admitting that "hey this one case is bad because everyone is dumb in it". On paper it has everything it needs to be a fantastic case, but it's far too rushed with shaky reasoning, gameplay mechanics that slow you down to a crawl, and a cast of stupid, bland characters. I've spent so many nights writing up ways to improve it by changing as less as possible it's surreal, it doesn't need major changes to function better.
Was the last game such a huge flop the series died?
>>738019027the original release of GAA2 in japan? yeah massive flop, as that is the last game in the series in 2017I would like to believe there's a comeback with all these ports with that said.
>>738017427that's just the normal judge, his robes are black
Speaking of AJ, I might be one of the few anons who actually appreciated 4-2.The whole thing with Wocky and his father, or the noodle man who was actually a doctor is kind of interesting. Panties thief is a funny witness and classic japanese humour.And... yeah, well the worst part is Alita. We just came from T&T, her character isn't going to be so much of a surprise, and it's not even a particularly interesting variation(ain't she just a gold digger?). She has a cute design, that's about it.
>>738019641Oh yeah 4-2 is an overall solid case with the only real nitpicks i have of it are "that brand of underwear wouldn't clog the car's pipe" and "Alita's an whatever villain" not the worst mind you, she's fine, she's just mid.Overall I'd say it's a good 7/10 case that doesn't stick out too much for better or worse.
>>738019641>>7380198244-2 probably just seems a lot worse than it actually is since it comes immediately after 4-1, which is the best case in the entire second trilogy
I'm at work and I was playing the phoenix investigation segment of 4-4 until my fucking 3ds died. I was enjoying it too because it's the only time you can do the magatama minigame in AA4. Apollo's bracelet minigame can suck my dick. I need to buy a battery pack and a 3DS USB adapter>>738019641I liked it more than 4-3. I'd let Alita frame me for murder if she visited me in the slammer for conjugal visits. I feel like AA4 in general is a little overhated.
How did they fuck up 6 so thoroughly? I never would have believed it possible if I hadn't played it myself. It's so fucking dull and unpleasant. Worst prosecutor, worst cases, worst finale, worst main villain, it's just awful.
>>738019971I'd say it's both, AA4 is over hated and overratedAA4's positives are that it has 2 fairly good cases that have aged well mixed in with the genius idea of Hobo Phoenix.It's negatives are that it's back half is pretty bad and most of it's new characters don't stand out or differ enough from the characters that came before them, Overall I'd say it's not the worst stand alone entry in the series, but there's no way I could ever put it close to a top 5.
>>738019824>>738019953Aye>>738019971> I'd let Alita frame me for murder if she visited me in the slammer for conjugal visits. Come to think of it, did she actually visit Wocky? She hired an attorney for him, so there's that, but she was hoping he would be found guilty lol.That aside, she just comes across as low energy Dahlia. Not even really that, since she barely cares about pretending to be a shy uwu girl in court.>I feel like AA4 in general is a little overhated.4-3 sucks, and other anon is right about 4-4 being a very dry climax. It also loses any impact it could possibly have thanks to DD existing.Will be waiting for the 4-2 threads tho, and I bet the 4-3 ones will be funny too purely because the entire premise is shitpost-y as hell.
>>738020579Wocky did mistake Trucy for Alita each time they showed up so she must have visited him to keep up appearances.
>>737933952Fran loves it when Phoenix fact-checks her while loudly slamming the table
>>738020439>>738020579>>738020579I'm still in the middle of 4-4 and it seems fine so far. I mean it's pretty obvious what's going to happen but I guess I have to see how they execute the ending to judge it. I agree that 4-3 sucked though.
>>738021023gay
>>737940997>Franziska in a puffy shoulder dressYes!>Franziska in a bikiniYES!
What happened to April May? She was an accomplice in wiretapping Mia's office but would she be charged with being an accessory to murder as well? How many years would she get charged with (and would she hire the spiky-haired cutie to defend her?)
>>7380210654-4 is a case that would be alright if it wasn't the last case and considering how much else there was still to do with the characters.Like as a final case there's no way I can compare what came before it, it's no contest, but I'd dare say that despite the flaws of later games, all of them still had stronger final cases, even if I'd still rate 4 above two or three of them overall.
>>738003963>three dogshit tutorial cases in a rowfuck tgaa
I remember getting so mad with the second case of TGAA2, because at that point, the story had not progressed much since the third case of the first game (and a small bit with case 5). It's a funny, romance filler case, but goddamn, let's move already.
>>738022328>>738022483While I disagree with both of your opinions on a surface level, I can't really overstate enough how slow it's pacing is, If I wanted someone to play one game in the series as their first game, it wouldn't be TGAA1, I feel like it's only for the most diehard fans that haven't gotten sick of the formula and have faith that it will eventually pay itself off.It mostly does granted, but my point doesn't change.
>>7380058933 looks like she'd fit in Persona.
>>738022328This, it's to this day the single worst AA game, even below AJ or DD. Even taking into account the double release the first game was an atrocious slog, I kept saying DGS was shit in 2015 and I will keep saying it today because it's true. No amount of charm or presentation soul can salvage 3 cases out of 5 being complete shit
>>738024324I'll agree that DGS on it's own is the worst entry even if I don't think it's beyond redemption, I did like 1-3 and 1-5 a fair amount, but honestly back when I played a fan translation over a decade ago I could understand why Japan didn't receive it well, it's the only game in the series that when it ended i went "wait is that it?"
>>738020439Nah, it's just overrated. It's perfectly hated for good reason. I guess the new zoomers of Ace Attorney fucking love Apollo and look past all the flaws the game has or something. I don't remember people enjoying it as much as they do now.>>738022130I always thought the first case should've been the last case. It would've been such a cool way to end the game. Apollo under the tutelage of Kristoph for three cases, helping him get better at being a lawyer, spring in some rumors and gossip about Phoenix Wright here and there from several characters that makes Apollo curious and then make it all culminate in the final case where Apollo and Phoenix (who is the defendant) has to take down Kristoph. Having the best case in the game first was a baffling decision but I guess the devs didn't see it that way.
>>738021829All the female inmates have hot lesbian sex all day everyday
>>738025439>picTell me the defense pressed it.
>>738025439That's fair, I've lightened up about it over the years but i remember being really mad about it back in 07 or so.What you suggested sounded like it could've been good, if anything both of the Gavins suffer from barely getting proper characterization or screen time, but I feel like it still would've ran into the issue of "Apollo doesn't really get to do much in the final case" since that is kinda the main issue with 4-4. the best way you can see this is that he lacks any outstanding gotcha moment like the von karma medal detector or the parrot cross examination.I'd say the biggest overall issue with 4 is that the formula was getting stale by this point even if 3 was extremely well made and still a favorite, and 4 is mostly just, more of the same formula, but with characters that aren't as defined or developed as the first game. Klavier for example is only remotely interesting in the contest of comparing him to the previous prosecutors before him, without what the previous entries built up, he's just kinda a bland good guy because his character arc is extremely subdued and not at the front and center of things like his counterpart, Edgeworth's was.I could go on with other characters but you already know I'm sure what I'll say.
>>738021829Pretty sure she cannot be charged with having any involvement with the murder at all. All she did was placing the wiretap and watching from a window in a different building.Technically also perjury, but that's not real in AA world lol
>>738014334Imagine grabbing that waist
>>737975090The Mike Haggar of Ace Attorney.
>>738021023Hot.
>>737938024I hope we get a little extra.. it was nicely done, but I wonder what his polls result will be
Didn't the Spirit of Justice ending basically prevent this from ever happening?
>>738029534Forgot pic.
>>737934117hami-chan...
>>738003628Curious who that will be, oke I'll try it
>opened this thread 14 hours ago >masturbated to AA girls 3 times already, gonna have bust another nut in under 35 minutes from now
>>738030190which ones?
>>738030190Who are you gonna do it to?
4-4 poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses
>>738025661It's been a long time, but I believe pretty much the entire courtroom immediately jumped on him
>>738030258>>738030292I write them down in my fap journal:>11:47"whipped out to Trucy cuz /v/ thread, also AA Maya, Franziska, last second Geiru nut accidentally"as I was about to nut to one of the other girls, I hit [Space] and iview32 went forward to the next pic alphabetically >15:15Gina Lestrade>20:18(non AA fap)>22:38+40sGina, Franziska, "just 1 Maya pic", Trucy = nutI reckon I will masturbate to Trucy again for sure, she is the heavy lifter. I reckon I should also fap to Ema though, mmmmhmmm, I reckon. All the times are in France time, but I watched Sling Blade two weeks ago, so I keep saying reckon, mmmhhmmm.
>>738025439The problem with AJ and 4-4 is that Klavier sucks. He should have been the final boss. The twins personalities and personas should have been reflections of each other >the “cool” calm and collected kristoph is the passionate and emotional psychopath >the “passionate” rock star is the cold and calculating psychopath I’ve only ever played the original trilogy + AJ but I notice the weaker games have the weaker prosecutors (character wise). Edgeworth and Godot > Franny and Klavier.
Did he and small female child Trucy...?
>>738013565The man that claimed to be sexually harassed came out as it was previously anonymous and it's some weird looking Indian. Chase had an internal investigation, everyone basically said they've never seen anything and the Indian didn't participate with the investigation.
>>738031068yeah Klavier sucks but I feel like that'd still play out as "Phoenix does all the heavy lifting with his rigged legal demo while Apollo does 3 easy cross exams and an obvious perceive"With that said in regards to your second statement, I feel like there are strong prosecutors (Van Zeiks, Blackquill) in weaker games (GAA1, and AA5) and then on the opposite end of the spectrum you have Nayuta being a rather weak character in an another alright AA6.In the case of GAA1 it's more dreadful pacing and in DD it's the ungodly amount of hand holding that makes 4-4 seem like a challenge, which is a shame because if it wasn't for DD's gameplay I'd say it's the best of that second trilogy, but I can't in good faith place it any higher then...maybe third or second from the bottom?
>>738030732Based Trucy enjoyer. I've nutted to her pits more times than I can count.
>>737933952What if I foolishly cum inside of her?
>>738032540You'd be a fool.
>>738033986and soon the father of a fool
>>737993834Godot sucks
