>unc is washed Dude literally went toe to toe with the most successful SF6 player (who could be his son), in this fraudulent shit game that *heavily* stacks the odds against him. Every other set game down to the last sliver of health, it really wasn't far off from a reversed score. If anything this reveals what a joke the current scene is.
To me it didn't look like Daigo was losing to mena, he was losing against Blanka's lvl2.
much like boxing he just got paid to throw the fight
>>737936796Daigo and Tokido have lost to Mena in SFV and SF6, anon.
Why are young players just automatically better? Is it just braincells?
>>737936883reflexes
To me Daigo looked like the stronger player in that set, and Blanka just looked like a character that gets to do damage for free every time he gets 2 bars.Not a very good advertisement for the game.
>>737936883As you get older you start to have other priorities in life and you just can't compete with someone who has unlimited time to play games everyday, your physical body getting worse due to aging (and probably bad habits if you're a gamer) doesn't help either.
>>737936883hungrier based on upbringing or shrimply competitive drive. diego's been through it all and is an alcoholic he doesn't give a fuck.
>>737936883Reaction time is the biggest thing that's cucking you. Data suggests that you can technically hang with the kids for a long, long time even into high age if you stay fit but you won't be exactly at their level. Daigo is probably still in the 99.9th percentile when it comes to raw reflexes, but mena is still 10ms faster then him, that's essentially like playing with lag when the other player doesn't.
>>737936994
>>737937035The Will to Keep Drinking
>>737936738Daigo would've slept the floor with Mena if that faggot hadn't played Blanka, he's genuinely the only tierwhore around. Nobody else plays that sack of shit
>>737937020This is why age is far less of an issue in Starcraft. The game requires split second decision making, but not frame perfect reactions. Jaedong is almost 37 and he's currently hitting an all time high in his power level.
>>737937035
>>737936796He took a majority of first games, but then Blanka built LVL2 and it was all downhill.Still, he managed to navigate LVL2 well enough in some matches. What really did Daigo in was his unwillingness to use meter and his constant drops and missed punishes.
>>737937159Daigo The Yeast
they should take a fucking break after 5-5like cmon he is 45 years old, that 5-5 was massive for him
More japs should play Counterstrike instead.
>>737937157>comparing BW to slime fighter 6
>>737937210Nah, they did take a break exactly then to switch sides. Daigo was on a streak, they shoulda let him keep cooking.
>>737937159what a noble creature
>>737937150Genuinely surreal to complain about tier-whoring when the other player is one of the biggest tier whores in the FGC
>>737937243Valorant killed the already small CS scene in Japan
>>737937159He loves his slop.
This was beyond infuriating to watch. Daigo dominated and won almost every round 1, then SF6's dogshit bullshit game balancing kicked in and he got outgayed. Fuck mena, fuck SF6, fuck Crapcom and FUCK the FGC.
>>737937293Daigo has never tierwhored
>>737937254>they did take a break exactly then to switch sideshow long was it? 10 sec?second part was sad to watch,
>>737937448he did have his yun phase during sf4
>>737936738>Dude literally went toe to toe with the most successful SF6 player (who could be his son)Quick rundown on Mena possibly being Daigo's son?
>>737937479Yun was never op as Blanka though
>>737937523good joke nigga
>>737937181Last 3 games eneded with Daigo ar 3 bars iirc
>>737937035>mfw another lvl 2 from blanka
>>737936738crashout unc.unc crashout?crashout crashout unc, unc crashout!
>>737937563>Daigo chipping with fireballs because he throws off Menas parry timings>...>LE BLANKA LEVEL 2
I want to know why they gave every single tool to a gimmick character like blanka (except a fireball but lol parry, not a big deal he lacks one) complete with a robbery install like he's still playing V.
lots of cope here over blanka being broken but nobody actually uses the piece of shit character competitively except menathe character is literally worthless without lvl2 install, you need extremely high level neutral to survive before you can even build install which is why daigo keeps dominating every round 1the more problematic lvl2 is rashid who's actually a good character with an additional god super to pressure
>>737937020>the problem is that Daigo has a reaction time that is 2/3rds of a single frame slower than Mena, an insurmountable gap in fighting games where "reactable" largely means something longer than 30 framesTy for the insight, I've heard enough. It's time we put unc out to pasture.
>>737937448>yun in AE>claw/dic/blanka in CVS2 >boxer in 2x (he also played ryu but in brackets perticularly in the US he played A LOT of boxer) shut the fuck up zoomer. >>737937523statements from the mentally derranged.
>>737938150None of those characters are bad as Blanka unc>>737937935Yeah because nobody cares enough about winning to sell their souls, their enjoyment of the game to play a busted character
>>737937935>t. blanka player
>>737937396What slop fighters like Slop Slider 6-Jabs does is not "balancing" -- not in any sense of the term other than it LEVELLING THE PLAYING FIELD.>"guts">indiscriminate combo scaling>easy inputs>throw priority>paucity of (if any) defensive options>death corners>unpunishable normals>zero neutral game / rush-down jousts>casino meta......And these a just a few of "Modern" fighting gaming's favourite trappings. This is why the genre is now an utter bore to play and watch: It's too easy and unrewarding to play, and everything you see the autists do is doable yourself, which makes spectating e-sports pointless. It's reminiscent of how club sports chop and change their rosters every season, if not during seasons, rendering the actual teams nothing but coloured shirts.That, and the irony of casuals pushing so hard for moves lists and training and trials etc., only for the games to become so watered-down -- again, to pander to casuals -- that those modes aren't even necessary any more, should not be lost on anyone who played these games before the genre became a bastion for scrubs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgA_nK_w3A
>>737938237>sf6 is more broken than CVS2 blanka because one can force mix ups at the cost of a meterNIGGER CVS2 BLANKA CREATED A MIX UP BY EXISTING, RC HOP INTO GUESS FOR GAME YOU STUPID ZOOMER. daigo has played more fucked characters, daigo has dealt with more fucked characters. the idea that daigo is some honorable character loyalist that just couldn't beat the cheap top tiers when the top tier in question isn't as cheap as characters he has played or beaten is fucking retarded.
>>737937159Man all that sodium mixed with being an alcoholic has gotta make this dudes face feel like it's been stung by 1000 bees
It's actually wild, it feels like literally nobody is celebrating Mena's win or acknowledging his accomplishment.
>>737938367Nobody cares about some tag team party game nigga, it has way more broken shit than a mainline title
>>737938408>(you)r first sf was SF5 shut up.
>>737938401Nobody cares. Not even Mena's mom wanted him to win that match
>>737936738It's funny, I dropped SF6 after about a month like any other sensible anon, but I immediately recognized Blanka as being completely retarded. Genuinely couldn't believe they'd put Zato bullshit in a SF game and give it to Shitka of all characters. I knew it would be a problem as soon as I used the move in training mode but it was just never really a problem until recently because only Mena is a big enough tryhard faggot to pick a fraud ass character like Blanka.
Damn I wish Jamie had a cracked level 2 like Blanka
>>737938237>nobody cares enough about winning to sell their souls, their enjoyment of the game>also nobody likes this soulless game and everyone is just playing for moneymake up your minds
>>737938401No one's going to celebrate a guy beating up on a semi-retired old man.That it even went 10-6 is a disgrace for him.
>>737936738imagine giving a fuck about anything related to Shit Farter 6. a middle schooler could beat Daigo at that bum ass game.
>>737937386kek
Blanka just looked really strong
every regular day of the year:>"Blanka? Yeah he's a meme character, I dunno, level 2 is good so maybe middle of B tier I guess"a day when Mena wins a match:>"Obviously Blanka is a bullshit SSSS tier character, they need to fix him immediately"
>>737937150Wooliebros...
what makes blanka level 2 any more degenerate then genei jin
>>737936796this desu
Just come over to RTS, white man. Fighting games are for violent apes.
>>737937159He looks miserable.
>>737936738what's wrong with his eye?
>>737936738>>737936796This. Daigo lost when LVL2 was active.You can argue that Blanka is balanced around LVL2, but he's not. He's still a good character outside of LVL2 that turns into a busted hitbox machine in LVL2. >durrr then why doesn't anyone else have good results on BlankaMena is still a good player but he would not have results on other characters. No one else wants to play Blanka because he has his own method of play that isn't what most top players want to do. Even the most tourney of tourneyfags still want to play characters they enjoy.
>>737940019It's just a fuckin video game bruh
>>737936738daigo really should just retire, he's just an oldhead people fellate to convince newfags to stick with a dying genre
>>737936738Nigga lost due to Blanka's lvl 2 being retarded and, admittedly, a couple of genuine fuckups mostly related to meter.Overall he played much more solid, Menard just did lvl2 into throw vortex over and over again and otherwise ate like 20 wakeup DPs from Daigo.
>>737940374He makes his living playing it
>>737936738Idk how you can look at Diago and not be impressed with his ability to keep up with the youth at his age. He is truly a legend.
>2 time CC Cup champ>3 time EVO champ>numerous other titles>Still a humble man of God This is my GOAT :)
>>737940591then why is he talking about retiring? Is he up for video game pension?
>>737940712looks like the guy who made my last kebab
>>737940591Yeah but he makes a living even when he's washed because he's an eceleb not as a competitor. He hasn't won prize money to fund himself in the longest time.
>see his arcade scene slowly die off>people wonder why he looks depressed
>>737936796So why didn’t he just do the same thing back?
>>737940737He could easily live off of streaming and viewer donations
>>737940328>No one else wants to play Blanka because he has his own method of play that isn't what most top players want to do.Funny, if Blanka was busted you'd think players who play this game for a living would pick him but evidently they don't.No amount of cope will beat pure pick rates in tourneys my boy. Dogshit characters like Lily get low picks for a reason, and top-tiers vice versa
>>737941051Even the most tourney of tourneyfags still want to play characters they enjoy.
>>737940712Garden gnome looking ass nigga
>>737940328>Mena is still a good player but he would not have results on other characterspeople said the same thing when he was playing birdiepeople said the same thing when he was playing lukei think people are just mad that a fat brownoid has exposed their genre
Daigo trying to tell us something, he was showing the whole world, look - i have better fundamentals and game knowledge than this guy and can take off 80% off his hp bar without using supers and he's only spamming lvl 2 supers without doing anything else. Its like if you played against a 10 year old kid he would button mash and look super into it while all you did is stand in one spot and counter him with a punch for 90% of his health then let him get the last hit in and go "aww wow you win big guy your the champ now". Everyone who knows, knows.
>>737936738I think it's more telling of Mena's insignificance that even in defeat we talk more about Daigo anyway.Daigo also lost before to other upstarts and it's never "the last" we see of him.
>>737937157Not being an alcie slob also helps
>>737940712and yet will still be but a foot note in the margin of history until he gets bigger than Daigo
>>737937157FGCfags won't like to hear that, but Starcraft players in general a built different. If skill would translate 1:1 the average S Rank SCR ladder player would wipe the floor with the entire FGC pro scene.
>>737942142SF6 is dogshit
>>737941883Street Fighter does not represent the entire genre
>>737942142gawdlike post
>>737940019Daigo's having fun for the first time in a while and making money from his loss.
>>737942398I think few well informed people, who aren't biased, will disagree that Starcraft is the pinnacle of e-sports competition.
Daigo on stick: Undefeated for years.Daigo on hitbox: Mauled by a Dominican Bull.Mena went to Japan to show that cheaters never prosper.
>>737942398>Starcraft players in general a built different. If skill would translate 1:1 the average S Rank SCR ladder player would wipe the floor with the entire FGC pro scene.and chess players gigamog gookclickers in much the same way but you aren't ready for that conversation
>>737937523They literally admitted they wanted to make Yun OP. Like Oda+Ono specifically requested to improve his frame data after it was set.
>>737942616What does MenaRD play on?
>>737942942Pad
>>737941883>Birdie>LukeSort of proving the point. He's character carried.
>>737936738Ok, and? If Quake still had pro league Rapha would be number one
>>737941051idk man, everyone's been saying May's good in ggst and i've heard literally nothing bad about here, but apparently she gets no reps cuz she's boring AF. maybe they're actually right when they say that nobody wants to play the fucking brazillian monkey hulk.
>>737942567Is Daigo back!?
>>737943002"character carried" players disappear when the character they abused is no longer abusableif he can switch to other characters, it's beyond that"character carried" would be xian without gen, or luffy without rose
>>737936738Markplier?
>>737943592Was that the Moment 87?!
>>737942876>you aren't ready for that conversationI am, more than you think. Chess players get completely mogged by AI, in Starcraft they attempted the same with AlphaStar but it was a complete joke. First they let it play on the ladder, where only a handful of agents managed to get into the top player percentage. Then they hosted a showmatch vs a a B tier pro, and the AI initially went 3:0, which seemed impressive but then it turned out that the AI was playing with cheats (full map hack, able to control units on the entire map without having to "look" at them, and more) then they played another round without cheats and the AI completely fell apart and couldn't play for shit. Later that year they let people play vs it at Blizzcon and it got trashed by tons of low skilled players.
>>737943567And he can't switch to other characters.
>>737936796Yeah it's just this. Daigo won that fight when it was a fight and lost when Mena clicked the "I won" button. Daigo was dominating him outside of level 2s.
>>737942876Chess is a low IQ game with minimal complexity. Hell, smogon Pokemon is more complicated.
>>737943249The "overwhelmin youth" challenge to Rapha was meant to be RAISY and while he did win a QPL season and got several runner-up placements, Rapha is still held to be more consistent and a bit better at the game than him, I think. Rapha is just a freak. People who fawn over donk and the other CS2 legends should really look into rapha to see what a truly complete and well-rounded FPS player looks like, rapha's aim is said to be a BIT worse than the other pros', but his gamesense and everything else is insane
>>737937157>JD vs Light soonI want to believe that Light will choke as usual when this should be a clear path to the top 4 for him
>>737938401It's Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson except if Mike Tyson was actually trying and winning and every time he started to get a foothold on the fight Jake Paul would just kick him in the dick and the judges allowed it.
>>737943769I remember this. It was a complete farce. For anyone interested, here's a great video that outlines just how bullshit this was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxQ-VRq3y9E
I wish Kakeru didn't die bros...
Has Blanka ever not been a scrubby character? Anytime he's good it's because he can abuse some sort of system mechanic like roll cancels.
>>737944215He was mid for most of sf4 iirc
>>737944215has he even ever been good outside of cvs2 and sf6?
>>737936796It would have been maybe 8-10 or 9-10 if Daigo hadn't dropped combos or missed punishes. He did pretty well defending against Blanka's level 2 but the sad fact of the matter is that age is getting to him.
>>737941051Blanka is high tier, he's just below Mai/Ed/Sagat/JPThe reason why no one plays him is because he is the ugliest character in Street Fighter. He is a neon green gorilla with a neon orange mullet. It doesn't matter how good the character is mechanically, you have to like the character's aesthetic if you plan on playing it for thousands of hours.
>>737944471And yet he sees plenty of play in cvs2 despite that. Curious!
>nooo why can't my hecking middle aged alcoholic streamer beat a top 5 player in the world nooooo
>>737938401Mena only wins when he abuses cheesy shit. He did this in SFV and he's doing it in 6. If he can't use cheese he looses consistently.
>>737938401Mena had zero to gain from challenging Daigo aside from some personal autistic fixation he wanted to satisfy. Nobody is going to celebrate the literal best in the world beating up an old semi-retired legend at a game he has no results in. It's literally just bullying. Even Mena looked sad when he won.
>>737944134what even happened to that guy
>>737944509>he sees plenty of play in [game played by 30 autists worldwide]Wow I never thought of that before
>>737944471i think the generally agreed upon tier list is pretty close to this, blanka is like mid a-tier. he's very good but his gameplan is binary compared to a lot of better character
>>737940019The sad thing is that if after this Daigo decides to "compete seriously" like he's saying and still drowns in pools it's going to be an even bigger blow to his ego. Honestly retiring after going 6-10 against the literal best Street Fighter player in the world would probably be better.
>>737944749Crazy how the bottom 3 have been there the entire time. Do they not know how to buff shit?
>>737944843you don't want a buffed honda or marisa, they're doing us a favor
>>737942161Daigo's never lost a FT10 before. He's never even not won convincingly. This is the first time he actually lost.
>>737945002He's still undefeated in FT10's where he was the challenger.
>>737942161Mena and Punk are blips in fighting game history and nothing is going to change that. No one is ever going to see them as legends of the genre. Not even SonicFox will be despite being a multi game champion. Arslan, G01, these guys are the new generation of JWong, Alex, Daigo, Tokido, Infiltration, Knuckledu, Gamerbee, SnakeEyez, etc, etc, etc. Those last few aren't the same level, but they're still more recognized and remembered than these new players.The truth is, if you're a champion only of SFV and SF6, no one respects that. Simple as. Everyone knows the newer ones just don't have the staying power of the older titles, and neither do their champions. No one feels like Mena or Punk are Street Fighter or fighting game masters, they just feel like masters of SFV or SF6.
>>737936738He's tired
>>737945390Arslan lost though lmao
>>737944843They're the dedicated noob characters, very easy to play with just one or two good moves, if they were buffed to be also good at higher levels then they'd be so strong at low levels that all the iron Juris, Cammys and Chuns would ragequit.
>>737943435>May isn't played because she's boring despite being a top-tier cute girl>>737944471>Blanka isn't popular because he's uglyHuh that's weird, seems you posted two contradicting opinions back-to-back Just face it dude, Blanka isn't as good as you think he is.It's so funny. Ed gets buffed and suddenly everyone in tourneys is playing him despite not wanting to touch him before.
>>737945390Is Punk not good in SF6? I don't hear about him as much anymore. He was one of the gods of SFV wasn't he?
>>737936883It's the same reason 99% of "pro" FPS players are teens or early 20s your reflexes slow down as you age.
>>737942484It does lil bro fr fr
Motherfuckers talking about "retirement" bro we're talking about playing videogames
>>737938150He won Evo 2003 with Ryu and embarassed the shit out of Choi when he picket O.Sagat to prove a point. He had to switch to Balrog because western players insisted on playing the same broken character. Daigo was never about picking up top tier characters, just the ones he likes playing. He started with Evil Ryu when Evil Ryu was considered crap in SFIV and he tried to push with Ryu when he was still nerfed hard in A.E edition (and won the Topagana League IIRC)
>>737947529He was a SFV player who couldn't into SF6.
>>737947846It's hard to go from playing fighting games every day and being good to go to playing them in a capacity where you are shit. It's better to just move on, it's not fun to play like that.
>>737947649Fighting game players overrate reflexes.Most things in modern fighting games are easily reactable, especially approaches and movement. You know when someone is in striking range. Even in older fighting games, you could exploit people's brains to fuck them up without needing to worry about reactions much. The fastest fighter being played is probably Melee and it's still more based on just cutting off player options.Shooters are reaction necessary because someone will go from being not on your screen to on your screen in an instant by peeking a corner on either side.
>>737936738Its okay for Daigo to get old, It happened to all the legends of that era.
>>737937159>>737937035Asian ppl really need to cut back on the sodium, it's why they all die by age 50
Why do you guys care so much about Daigo getting old? Like yeah, he was THE face of fighting games, particularly from SF3 to USFIV, but his results in SFV and reluctance to play SF6 make him irrelevant in the modern scene. No one gives a shit about what some mid 40 year old unc has to say about anything because it has no bearing on anything. Yeah, he doesn't like SF6, but what does that matter? Capcom doesn't care about his opinion. Having an exhibition match is almost comical with how much people put him on a pedestal despite his lack of continued relevance. What does it prove? It's not even a passing of the torch because he already burnt out years ago.
>>737949242Because there are no new players to be the face of the FGC.
>>737949330There's no longer a "face of the FGC", it's a community of faggots on social media all day. That era is over.
>>737940019It’s pathetic that a 45-year-old man can’t face the fact that he’s completely aged and still clings to a false self-image of his youthful prime. Take a look in the mirror. You’re just a middle-aged guy with a saggy face and gray hair—there’s not a trace of that former bishounen left.I think part of the problem is that the Japanese FGC has deified Umehara to such an extent. Umehara himself can’t step down from that role.
>>737937448I don't think there's a single game he seriously played where he didn't pick a top tier besides, arguably, SFV
Be a family man like Justin Wong, he's consistently very good and happier.
>>737949242People like daigo are what was allowing the fgc to pretend their scene is still different from just playing fortnite. It's not anymore.
>>737948891nta but I'm surprised you think so. personally I think most fighting game players downplay reflexes. play with an extra 6 frames delay and you're probably cooked. a lot of defense is reactive and you wind up letting opponents get away with too much shit.
>>737949497He's also consistently the most retarded chink imaginable. Why does a guy in his 40s still try to speak like a hoodrat? He's not Yipes, he's married and does nothing but stream and make shitty Youtube content. He's a family man but wants to pretend he isn't and it comes off as embarrassing.
As a fellow 45 fgc player I'm also tired boss.Yes it's going to sound boomerish but modern fighting games are just tiring to play if you don't commit to either full offense or some gimmick bullshit. I think it steams from the fact that defending has been completely killed, your only reward for doing it now is either going back to neutral so that your opponent can start his shit right away.When I started watching this FT10 I already knew what would happen, because that's just how modern fighting games are. You either are block-string locked into some unreactable bullshit, or you have to guess some other unreactable bullshit. Even if I win I don't feel satisfied, I just think "oh I just guessed right alright."
>>737949242I think that's because everyone who still keeps up with the FGC wants someone like Daigo to raise up, succeed him but you have to understand that Daigo is very unique, not just from his showman skills and the way they paved to FGC popularity (the community was pratically dead in early millenia) but also how dominant he has been throughout his career in multiple games that required a much harder toolset and technique to play. That's why there's been a tremendous push for young kids, to see if any can fill that gap that will be left when Daigo abandons fighting games, but I think it will take a long time until someone like Daigo rises up, even moreso when games are getting dumbed down and more accessible to everyone.
>It's DAIGOvermight aswell go full NatSoc now.fuck it.
>fgcjust say esports gramps
>>737949694Daigo isn't abandoning fighting games because he also knows it's his only claim to fame despite not doing anything relevant for years. He even said that he was contemplating quitting if he lost the exhibition match, lost, then backtracked and said he wanted to continue competing.
>>737949649>Why does a guy in his 40s still try to speak like a hoodrat?Anon, he IS a hoodrat, Justin Wong is a literal hood Chigga.
>>737949774You are incredibly retarded if you believe that.
>>737949628I agree that if you slap 6 frames of lag on for no reason that's a problem, but reactions are not the be all and end all. Especially considering fighting game devs normally design powerful moves to be reactable, especially since your reactions can be trained on stimulus.This is also the point, fighting game moves are designed to be reactable and to train your brain to react to them. You're not actually just raw reacting to something. Every move has a big indicator that it's in start up and a sound effect of the character shouting out the move often times too because your brain reacts faster to sound than sight. Overheads are big slow wind-up moves. Over time you condition yourself to block "on reaction" just from these cues.In shooters you don't have any of that. The edge of someone's characters model will just appear at the corner of your vision on screen peaking around a wall and you need to instantly and accurately flick your reticle over to them and fire before they kill you. FGC way overblows reactions because fighting games has reaction time assistance built into them from the ground up. Especially modern games. This is why defending in fighting games is often less about reacting straight up to the speed of a move going off and more about reacting to mix-ups and tricks the opponent is layering and conditioning.
>>737942876>>737943769BTFO
>>737936883they're actually shittierjust need to keep goys rotating so old thing bad
>>737950002I dunno anon. I think in another 5-10 years you're gonna feel those 6 frames yourself. All that conditioning, the sound cues, properly reacting with a mental stack, all that is dependent on reaction speed. Setups and 50/50s are always gonna be guessing games but I think you're underestimating how much happens outside of that. does cs take more reaction speed? yeah probably does. but that doesn't mean fighting games don't heavily depend on reaction speed too.
Why is everything so dramatic in the fgc? The whole genre of fighting games is just mixup after mixup, that's the gameplay experience. That's what T8 and SF6 are trying to give you more of.I think what needs to be discussed is those small mistakes you take during a mixup leading to a full combo. That's the shit that wasn't in the older fighting games, that's the bullshit that needs to be dialed back.In a single round when you are able to stay alive after a failed defense of a mixup, that's more opportunities to put a read on your opponent. And when a nanosecond-speed light kick from Chun Li leads to a triple meter burning combo that carries your ass from one side of the stage to the corner, that's the end of the gameplay gg wp. Starcraft 2 players understand this. You all are going through what Terran players were doing to the community with their bullshit widow mines, liberator spam and marine drops on the supply line. It was ending the gameplay before it really got going.
>>737936738BREAKING NEWSMENARD'S NEXT OPPONENT HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED
>>737950794I'm already a boomer unc retirement home senior.
>>737936738daigo was playing street fighter mena was playing sf6
>>737950845>The whole genre of fighting games is just mixup after mixup, that's the gameplay experience.modern* fighting games>small mistakesthose are not mistakes, those are just wrong guessesdid you forget to watch the matches? this is literally how mena got all of his win>get a lucky ko>blanka ball to get in daigo's face as he wakes up>now guess the throw or the strike>remember that you will get destroyed if you try a throw>take up to 6 throws a round because of this>loses>lmao outplayed ggs
>>737951335daigo never used his fucking meter, he could have easily taken a few more games just by using it
>>737951389All the people who keep repeating this don't understand the game. Akuma doesn't have an install like Blanka that you can just throw out, Akuma needs to hit confirm.
>>737951389Blanka has a clear meter use in his LVL2 to the point his whole gameplan is just burn into LVL2. Akuma is more of a meter hog where Daigo was probably sitting around constantly waiting to possibly spend it on a big opening. Gouki is more of a "I saved all my items until the end of the game in case I'd need them but then the game ended" kinda character.
>>737940019you are buying into marketinghis name is a brand, he wasn't retiring shit, god brown people are retarded
>>737944843there would be so much seething if marissa was a good character
I thought that drinking shit was just a half-truth.
>>737936738This just shows that Street fighter 6 is a very garbage game. It's a literal guessing casino game where one mistake costs 70% of your HP.
>>737951750>I thought that drinking shit was just a half-truth.Dude we literally have photos of him sleeping on top of tables.
Daigo would have won with Ryu. Akuma is dogshit.
>>737951885I was surprised he wasn't playing Ryu. He's always a Ryu guy.
>>737949649jwong, fuk im
>>737936883They pick meta characters instead of being unc loyalists
>>737936738The fact that he didn't get totally btfo was impressive. It's definitely not a result to feel bad about.
>>737951764It's funny, I saw on twitter someone reposting the Daigo vs Gamerbee match from 2013 where he wins by hitting DP like five times in a row purely through fucking with Bee's guesswork.Feels like in newer games it'd be some long combo. USFIV really had a lot more neutral wins. There were still crazy combos on Evil Ryu but they required execution most players didn't want to bother with in tournament so instead you got fundies plays like four shoryus that make the other person feel stupid because they shouldn't have gotten hit by them.You can contrast this with taking like five throws in a row in the corner in SF6 where it's just optimal.
>>737951885Akuma isn't bad but hit low health pool is certainly an issue against Blanka.
>>737949674>Yes it's going to sound boomerish but sf6 is exhausting to play
>>737951905Ryu got hit with the nerf hammer around Alex's release, he was playing him pretty frequently until then.Daigo is known for some really high profile Ryu/E. Ryu games but he was never his main specifically in SF. He played Guile and Boxer/Balrog for the most part through Super Turbo, Ken through 3S and went back to Guile in SFV. Alpha 3 and IV are the only times he spent long periods of time playing him.
>>737937020>330 mslmao that's fucking slow even at 18, what retirement home did they pull this dataset from?
a New Challenger Approaches
ngl, seeing all the crapcom bootlickers on twitter trying to sell this as "le epin passing of the torch" moment makes me seethe like hell
>>737952267I'd unironically pay for a LTG skin.
>>737952285The "community managers" need the scene to continue. These are the guys who dickride Punk and Mena as if anyone has ever heard of them. They wanted this to generate a moment for Mena where he could be a new face for the community and SF, but he's just not the charismatic mystery figure Daigo was that would mystify the gaijin with amazing moments.Problem is, EM37 put a giant promo on Daigo and the FGC in general that can't be replicated in newer games. Mena will never be Daigo because Mena is competing in SF6 and everyone including normie gamers recognizes there's a difference between games Daigo championed and modern games.
>>737952014it was a completely nothing result. it wasnt a blowout but it wasnt a come back either. barely anyone will remember this set in a year
>>737937935nobody would give a shit if blanka was useless, capcom only lets him be broken because they want mena to appeal to the fat brown zoomer demographic
>>737952285I mean, realistically speaking it's unfortunately the case. Old street fighting is dead, if you want to become a champion you have to play the game how it was designed and become Mena 2.0.Daigo tried his best but you can only do so much against young people and mechanics that punishes your old style gameplay.
>>737943435A better strive example is Leo, that mother fucker has been top tier forever and may even hold the greatest amount of tournament wins (if not he’s a clear #2 behind HC) but despite this there’s not that many Leo’s
is he deliberately playing into the washed up unc look.because that bothers me.
>>737952026DPs being way shittier than they used to be is also something worth talking about. As the defender, you’re expected to respect pressure much more often.
>>737952492This desu
>>737952707Neutral doesnt exist in SF6 because of drive rush. It fundamentally breaks street fighter and turns it into some anime fighter trash.
>>737942567>>737943507capcom paid him to keep playing lol, he's not going to be competitive ever again
>>737952492It's because devs want to have their cake and eat it too. They want the clout of a hardcore game with legendary players who pull of mindbending shit, but at the same time no reddit normalfag should feel left behind.
>>737936738He was also seen drinking before the match.
>>737952026>USFIV really had a lot more neutral wins.sleep fighter is never coming back. these games are designed for spectators first now so everything has to be oogabooga rushdown BIG DAMaGE all the time
>>737952701Why do japs like those clown shoes so much?
>>737953019>my reflexes are too shit to check drive rushes therefoee neutral doesn't existever notice how every pro player crying about this is pushing 40? pathetic
>>737953349NtaMena didn't check a single drive rush during the set either, neither player did actually
>>737953392daigo did multiple times
>due to the backlash resulting from this match Capcom goes back to a more honest game design>2029>SF7 comes out >this time Daigo challenges Mena>wipes the floor with him
>>737942876>>737942398Yes, because the only thing that matters in this discussion is sheer numbers. The more players something has the better the top talent will be.
>>737936738what fucking Scene? You're like 15 years late retard. Why don't you visit him in japan and suck him off instead?
Bro had tons of grab opportunities and was incredibly stingy with meter. I don't know if he'd have won the set but if he had gone for the super in a lot of those moments it probably would have been a much closer set
>>737951510and you didn't watch the match. daigo had several opportunities to use a super as a combo ender to take the round, but instead uses an OD and almost always resulted in mena making a comeback
>>737954910>grab opportunitiesyes i sure would LOVE to see some throw of fighting 6 gameplay for 10 fucking roundseven the amount of throws mena did fucking pissed me offthrow is such a garbage mechanic
>Daigo wins neutral like 49 times>Still losesSF6 is an embarrassment
>>737953203And yet the last hype moments from SF game from USFIV. There is not a single iconic genre moment from SFV or SF6, and that's why previous games like 3S and USFIV were better for spectators. Hell, you know what the ONLY amazing community transcending moment to come out of Street Fighter was in the last ten years? The Evo Moment 38, which was a 3S match.Modern devs (or maybe it's the publishers who knows) have this massive retard tier idea that fighting games are hype because of hyper offense and combos, when in reality the most amazing an clutch moments that transcend the genre and reach wide audiences are defensive and neutral moments. EM37, 38, that Leffen vs G01 Dragon Ball set ending. The most heart-attack tense spectator moments are not slop slime blasting across the screen and putting hitboxes out, they're players mindgaming and defending in amazing ways to clutch out a win. This gets more spectators.
>>737936738They should do a rematch after Capcom nerfs Blanka and Daigo should switch to Ryu
>>737956439They should do a rematch in a SF game that people actually respect.Until then they're just the Emperor that has no clothes constantly trying to pass off champions of modern SF games as "legends" when nobody, not even normie gamers outside of the fgc, regards new SF games as respectable as titles that Daigo was champion of. This is what made this whole FT10 meaningless. Everyone knows Daigo would shit on Mena in every SF previous to V and those are the SF's that make legacy.
This was basically Undertaker VS Michaels rematch at wm26 but with no stakes.It should have been GOAT vs career, either Daigo wins and becomes the undisputed goat of SF or Mena wins and Daigo retires but instead Daigo insists on continuing to drown in pools at every major, being carried by leshar in SFL and farming dogshit onliners in japan legend leaderboard.Profesionnal fighting game is too flexible of a discipline if you're just great at it, the same way Diaphone can just hop between fulltime streamer playing every kusoge coming out and somehow compete at relative top level in both COTW and 2XKO at the same time.Daigo could just get all the money he wants streaming but he has free travel to any EVO and major anyway so he has no reason to decline as he just likes playing the game even with no chance of winning shit.
>>737936738so what does Daigo do for work
>>737936796At age 45 Daigo is set in his ways and those ways that have been analyzed to hell and back in the past 18 years of internet video. It’s like Arslan Ash initially dominating Tekken, an already top level player from an unknown Paki scene
>>737957148he's a nurse
>>737936796Mena was really good in SFV too, but yeah Blanka level 2 is ignorant as fuck LMAO.
>>737949774Why do so many Asian Americans embarrass their home country by acting chiggerish
>>737956296the problem is that if you ask a focus group what the exciting part of the game is they'll say attacking, they want the guys on the screen to hit eachother more and they especially like COOL EFFECTS and BIG DAMAGE. these games arent actually being designed as sports, they're being designed as spectator sports and the logical endpoint of all spectator centric design is not martial arts or fencing, it's nascar.
>>737956640>they should do a rematch in a game Mena doesn't playGod, you people are obnoxious.
daigo and mena should have an eating contest
>>737958328Instead they did a match in a game Daigo doesn't play. He just entertains it because it's New Thing.
>>737954280>due to the backlash resulting from this match Capcom goes back to a more honest game designWe both know that this will never happen, and SF7 will be more casualized
>>737954280>due to the backlash resulting from this match Capcom goes back to a more honest game designwhat backlash? if anything most people came out of it more positive on sf6 because daigo showed you can still play a classic sf style at a high level in it
fcg is a joke because they banned one of the goats for literally no reason other than because the slimy jew in charge didn't like him.
>>737960397#FREENOEL
>>737947529>>737948741he literally won evo you fucking retard he's the only American to EVER win street fighter at evo
>>737960524>SF6Shame this "accomplishment" means nothing.
>>737936796Blanka lvl 2 turns the game into MvC. It's annoying even watching it.
>>737940737>>737940870Yup, the Justin Wong way
>>737960047Do you think posts like these are made by literal marketers
>>737950978Its already confirmed its Alex Vale.
>>737961457no they're made by me an autistic guy in his late 20s from canada
What's with all the hate with throws in SF6? I mostly play ST where throws and tick throw setups are just how it is.You can even tech them in SF6 so what's the issue? Is there some fundamental problem with in the SF6 system or something?
>>737947529PG Punk is very good at SF in general, he just says stuff that helps him gain his privacy every now and again lol
>>737961534the people who whine about sf6 are larpers who started playing in sf5. they have no idea how centralizing grabs have always been
>>737936738Who's his adrian?
>>737961618So it's really just newfags getting mad they're being thrown, by a throw....that can be tech'd? lol
don't know if it's my racism or something but this mena guy isn't particularly charismatic or anything for twitterfags to say he's the new face of competitive SF.If anything, i don't think any of the newer, SF5 and SF6 competitive players are particularly charismatic either.The only one i actually remember is punk and he's an annoying faggot.
>>737958415Didn't stop him from beating Tokido back in SF5 when he barely played that game either. Face it, Daigo's just washed.
>>737961728NTA, but yes. If you're being thrown 3-4 times in a row, your opponent is outplaying you and they are in your head and guessing right. Normal throws don't even do much damage in SF6. If you're losing to throwing, it's 100% a (you) problem.
>>737961728it makes sense because sf5 had throw loops as well, but they were removed in a patch which kind of set a precedent. in 6 they don't seem inclined to do that which has people mad. >>737961791its true, but thats just because gen z and gen alpha are way less socialized than millennials in general so they are either overly cringe or completely boring. theres not gonna be a new poongko. people are too afraid of being seen as cringe
>>737961514No one who isn't playing sf6 saw that set and went "man I really want to play sf6 now"
>>737952229>lmao that's fucking slow even at 18, what retirement home did they pull this dataset from?That image is about Choice Reaction Time, not just raw reaction time (eg "human benchmark" click when the screen turns blue).>Stimuli and Task>Participants responded to the target (blue P) by pressing the left mouse button, and responded to the other three stimuli with a right mouse button press, with responses reversed for participants who preferred to use the mouse with their left hand. The letters P and F appeared in blue or orange colors (selected to reduce the influence of possible dichromatic anomalies), with distractors differing from the target in both color and shape (orange F), only shape (blue F), or only color (orange P).
>>737936738man i like the daigo as much as the next guy but the japan coping is off the charts, not just fighting games but everything nowadays, i came across a reddit thread from google it was on r/blackpeopletwitter and nips were being openly racist and calling blackies, monkies and shit, and niggers were themselves defending japs fuckin lol, they were doing the classic, "nonono you cannot judge wholesome chungurino jap people based on some tweets noooooo" jej
>>737961885nta, but you havent even touch SF6 to know how throws work there. Get outta here
>>737962871how are they different? can you explain to me
>>737962762>let me tell you about reddit How about no? Go back.
>>737936738>grudge match at a evo sactioned event instead of localcompletely soullesscomentary was trash, gameplay was terrible to watch, long wait time between matchesi didnt stick around to the end, bad event
>>737961728Yes, but also it's more obnoxious in SF6 because drive rush gives you way more setups into corner throw pressure. Really it all comes back down to people hating slime rush mechanics. I watched a match of SFIV out of nostalgia the other day (Infiltration vs Smug) and it was crazy how slow it was. A good turtler basically makes it impossible for you to get in and you have to spend meter just for a chance at a 50/50. It was awful.
>>737962871>ESLEither low IQ melanin gorilla or South American sub-human, either never reply to me again.
>>737962971no, go suck some more nip dick
>>737963020*either way
>>737936883Reaction times dip as you age. It's the main reason baseball players begin to decline in their mid-30's.
>>737962762>SF thread about two SF players>let me tell you about japanese racismanon?
>>737962919Throws do more damage if they are a "punish" attack. They are strong, because they are a natural counter to Auto Parry. They are barely reactable (your age doesnt really matter), and since the game has lots of annoying visuals (like akuma's adamant flame) you can sneak in a throw as combo extender. There is also the corner problem where you can abuse throws with either DR or dash to throw, and unlike 3S and SF4, you got no real wake up protection against them.
>>737963274mena won
>>737961534the difference is that ST has neutral and characters primarily interact outside of throw range.not to mention throw loops in sf6 are downstream of several fucked core systems because it's basically jenga tower of load bearing shit.
>>737963023>lets ignore the entire context and make it purely about nationality so I can conceptualize it in my culture war brainrot mindsetAgain, go back.
>>737963315yeah i saw the match. What does that have to do with reddit and racism again?
>>737963360holy shit cope, daigo lost
>>737937159>...rare footage of Daigo ACTUALLY hungry
>>737963359You don't play SF6 if you don't think it doesn't have neutral. If you hop into a game and spam drive rush you will lose every single time.
>>737952701...That is NOT Daigo.That's the fucking protagonist of "Old boy", wtf
>>737937020Drive Impact is elder abuse
>>737963962my key point is that you are almost never not in throw range which is fundamentally different than pre-sfv street fighter. this is why every character has stubby ass buttons now and zoning is heavily disincentivized. sf6 is a strike/throw game, not a poke game.
>>737936738>toe to toelmao come on i wanted mena to lose but it wasnt close
>>737964803>and zoning is heavily disincentivizedanon JP is one of the best characters in the game
>>737964897holy cow
Why didn't he use his supers bro? He died with full meters like 20 times.
>>737936915but all the fighting game pros tell me reaction time doesn't matter
So we all agree throw loops are retarded right?
>>737966564>I can't TECH
>>737949064japanese people live the longest thoughit's just the unhealthy retards who eat nothing but instant noodles and booze like daigo
>>737937459I think you are allowed to switch characters between rounds and wait a full timer, if you want to take a break
>>737938401he lost his charisma roll at birth
This wouldn't have happened if Akuma had a level 2 super that summoned more Akumas to shoot MvC size lasers
>>737937396based
>>737952285I feel you bro.
>>737967383>Anon casually leaking the next SF6 updatebro.....
retard thoughted he could win in a dogshit game playing footsies and counter hits instead of flipping coins and holding back rofl
>>737967960Yeah, for some reason he thought this was a game about skill, and not playing as gay as humanly possible.
>>737936738Every match was just Mena building meter until he could do his bullshit install and spin to win. Daigo doesn't give two shits about SF6 and it shows.
>slime fighter
>>737964897>it wasn't closeIt was extremely close.
