>>737938321
Devs are faggots. More at 11.

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>Most promising Disco Elysium successor studio
Oh, yeah, just look at pic related. You can really tell. This is an Esoteric Ebb board, newfag.

Anyways, I hate steamies but I hate Tim even more now that he's an AIslop shill

To be fair, I do agree.
The fate of your entire gaming library literally depending on Gabe's whim and you having no ownership over it is a scary perspective.
Gabe is not your friend.

>>737938321
>valve wont let us censor normal sexuality and unapproved political opinions
>they're like medieval barons ruling you with an iron fist and you have to let us doxx and murder them ok??

>>737938321
who?

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>Steam has existed for over 20 years
>In all that time nobody could muster up a genuine competitor
>Instead everyone just flees to consoles and treat the PC market like third rate citizens
>Decades pass and PC becomes a genuinely viable platform again because of Steam
>Suddenly everyone wants a part of that pie
>Not even getting payed exclusives was enough to turn people away from Steam
>NOO WHY IS STEAM SO POPULAR MONOPOLY MONOPOLY
why not host your game on GoG?
Or host it yourself?
Do you feel entitled to Steams consumer base?

>>737938465
Gabe and Valve are the last bastion of pro consumer independent retailing you fucking contrarian abomination. Kill yourself you worthless faggot.

>>737938321
I think this is a few years old screenshot

>>737938607
It really is eye opening how much of a unbelievable FAGGOT the average person is.

>>737938321
>article is 1 year old already
>that studio still hasn't done anything

>>737938321
let me guess they want to release it on gog and epic games only.

>>737938607
Or itch.io or the humble store or the amazon prime game store etc. There's plenty of alternatives they're just all shit.

>>737938321
>The most promising
I'll be the judge of that. Which game are they making again?

>>737938607
>Instead everyone just flees to consoles and treat the PC market like third rate citizens
People seriously don't acknowledge how fucking grim PC was treated by most publishers during whatever the fuck you call the PS3/360 era.
Signing up for Steam could have required Gaben coming around to your house and throwing cowshit at it, and it would still be a massively better treatment than what EA, MS, ect were treating PC.

>>737938321
>Most promising disco elysium successor studio
Which one ? There is like 4 studios calling themself successor of de
>Must unite to toppld valve's digital fiefdom
Ok, for what ?
>Muh 30%
Ok, as a customer do I get from it ? Cheaper games ? No ? Neither thing I get on steam like user's reviews, workshop, curators group, free cloud saves, sync between my pc and deck, controller support, vr support...? No ?
Then fuck off

>commie retardation
Indies would be practically irrelevant without Valve and all the support & exposure Gaben gave indies. They don't even have to make full games before selling them anymore and yet apparently it's not enough.

>>737938771
Or you're own fucking website like any games 15 years ago

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>>737938321
>70 dollars for this and the promise of a game that doesn't exist yet
lol
lmao

>>737938321
using words without understanding their meaning is typical of "those" people

>>737938607
I say this all the fucking time. It's insane how apparently the average gamer is too young to know how the situation of PC gaming looked like in the 2000's and just dumbly accepts & parrots "Steam bad and gaben is le evil" garbage when without Valve the situation of PC gamers today would be pretty grim. I mean, what would we even talk about, nothing but Counter Strike and Warcraft? While console cucks would get every game? Fuck that.

>>737938395
>This is an Esoteric Ebb board, newfag.
those threads lasted like 2 weeks after game release and is now completely forgotten (it released 2 months ago only)

>>737939410
Oh wait sorry, we wouldn't even HAVE counter strike. So yeah, what would we even have today? Just old shooters and strategy games mixed with F2P trash and dogshit console ports.

Monopolies are only a bad thing if the companies mistreat their customers and/or abuse that power. Steam doesn't.

>>737939296
A lot harder to sell via your own website than it was 15 years ago

>>737938321
No, he has a point. The talentless shitlickers on this board that have never made anything in their lives wouldn’t get it. But devs have been talking for years about making a workers owned platform where WE dictate the rules rather than a corp like Valve that seeks to maximize profit for itself. 30% cut for literally nothing is highway robbery, Valve is just a middleman extracting value from the people that actually make the games. Plus discoverability for newer games is genuinely awful, Valve only puts the top sellers or people that put up capital in prominent places on the store.

Fuck ‘em. Seriously, fuck ‘em. The sooner workers realize the shit bargain they’ve been given and how powerful we are as a collective, the sooner corps like Valve take a fucking hike

>>737939570
You already have itch.io, actual retard. And then everytime you check the site out you get flashbanged with faggotry. At least on Steam gay indies die quickly because who the fuck cares.

>>737939570
>t. made rpg maker slop that didn't sell

>>737939468
Yeah, we moved on. Kino game, though.

>>737939215
They were barely alive back then I think. I remember it, I remember in the late 2000s or so that it felt like outside of shooters PC gaming was on the backfoot. We were desperate for ports. Now it's strong as hell and it's consoles which are dying.

>>737939570
What would be a fair percentage to you? I'd bet if we crunch the numbers of the percentage that amazon, best buy, Sony and so on get from a game it wouldn't be far off. Maybe 10% less.

>>737938321
>I HAVE TO PAY 30% I'M GOING INSANE
Why are they commies like this?

>>737938321
They are free to just not use Steam. There are plenty of other platforms, or they could just distribute it themselves.
But obviously they don't want to do that, because then they don't benefit from Valve's infrastructure and reach.
They just want all the benefits without paying for it.

>>737939570
>The sooner workers realize the shit bargain they’ve been given and how powerful we are as a collective
lmfao you had me up until here

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>>737939674
https://www.1d3.com/blog/platform-fees

Googled it and:

30% fee from Sony
30% fee from Xbox
30% fee from Nintendo
Amazon Appstore takes 20% if you make less than 1 million annually
Huawei takes 30%
Samsung takes 30%
Onestore takes 20%
Google play takes 30%
Microsoft takes 12%
GOG takes 30%
Epic takes 12%
Steam takes 30%

So what the fuck is the whining about when almost everyone charges 30%.

>>737938321
>the most promising Disco Elysium successor studio
Translation: random nobodies you don't care about unless we associate them with people they don't deserve to be associated with

>>737939736
It's worse in some cases. Valve takes 30% and absorbs the cost of chargebacks. Chargebacks only cost valve they the loss comes out of their share of the 30% of games that aren't refunded. Some stores take 30% and also charge you for chargebacks.

>>737938321
Don't release it on steam lol

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>>737938607
>>737939410
>>737939470
>LARPing as old gamers while pretending we weren't rightfully losing our shit at needing online to play Half Life 2
I understand that to an extent I have to thank Valve for bringing a lot of games to PC, but you have to acknowledge that the way they did it was by bridging the gap between console cuckery and actual pc chaddom. And I think all of you just want to pull the rug over that.

I don't take this kind of lip from you seriously because I think you're the kind of faggots that, unlike me, are zombies buying everything on Steam even if it's on GOG just out of convenience and for your epic steam profile points. Simply put, that kind of behavior disgusts me. You live in a cage.

>>737938321
These fags couldn't even maintain control of their own company, is this really who you take advice from?

>>737939627
Steam is the monopoly and where the vast majority of PC players shop. They should be crushed as a company and a new platform with all the same features as Steam should replace it, but it will be ran by workers (in this case game devs) and we will be the ones who dictate how our games are sold, the % cut we get, etc., I unironically don’t know how someone can read what I’m articulating and argue that it would be better for Steam to exist and be run by a soulless corpo.
>>737939646
Try again.
>>737939674
>What would be a fair percentage
Workers deserve 100% of their cut for their production. Anything less is just capital extracting surplus value. Fuck em.

>>737938607
>Do you feel entitled to Steams consumer base?
That is exactly what it is.
They'll pretend that Steam users are just mindless drones who are being held hostage by Gaben, and if only Valve collapsed, all of them could be set free and enjoy the greener pastures where the devs don't have to pay any commissions to Valve but get all the attention anyway.
They simply do not want to pay for the services, but they want their benefit anyway.

>>737939806
Yeah Steam gets a big reward of goodwill for the return policy. Which is why people seethe so much at them - you can't just turn a profit off your 1 hour 30 minutes depression quest.

Nevermind the poster I was asking the question about what would be a fair percentage is a troll or a dumb faggot, not even giving him a you. Nor should any of you.

>>737939736
Steam also drops to 20% if the game sells well.

>>737939931
He's just baiting at this point, sounds like a complete retard.

>>737939814
>m-muh old nothingburger drama
Gaben from the start was saying that internet would be needed once for verification and then you'd be able to play Half Life 2 offline. Some old clueless chimpout genuinely doesn't matter when now years later we can see how benefitial Valve was for PC gaming as a whole and how hard it would get raped if Gaben never created Valve and Steam.
Also jokes on you, my main source of games were boxed copies from local stores and DVD's attached to a gaming magazine I used to buy before I switched to Steam in adulthood.

>>737939570
>devs have been talking for years about making a workers owned platform
so? is Valve preventing you from doing it?
just stop whining and do it.
but you won't because you know it will be a failure.

>>737939898
They’re a middleman extracting surplus value from the work of game devs. How do you even justify that? They do nothing on their own, they were just early to the game of a digital storefront for PC and lasted through the dark of PC during the 360 gen. Valve doesn’t even make games anymore, they just sit on their asses and make overpriced hardware while taking a 30% cut on every game sold. Fuck em

>>737939983
>I switched to steam
>Didn't deny being a zombie that buys everything on Steam even if it's on GOG just out of convenience and for his epic steam profile points
Yup, as I thought. I have a 99% success rate at spotting a cuck of your kind. You simply call them out when they make posts shilling Steam as the savior of PC gaming.

>>737940008
Gaben is not holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use his services.
There are plenty of alternatives you could use, but you won't because they have a shit reach.
And if you killed off Steam, all you'd end up with is even more platforms with a shit reach.

If you want access to Steam's userbase, you'll have to pay for it.
If you think their service isn't worth a 30% cut, then go to any of the other platforms and try your luck there.

>>737940008
someone called you a nigger tranny in a valve game and your reports were ignored, that's all this is about

>>737939852
Cool, then go ahead and make it. But people refusing to buy games from your platform full of proud faggotry and tumblr mental illness won't be Valve's fault. Instead you will end up tearing each other apart, like always.
>>737940074
Hey, guess what. I also have accounts on GoG and Zoom Platform.

>>737939992
Steam fans are cultists and some of the most irrational fanboys in gaming, even worse than Nintendo fans I’d argue. They also don’t give a shit about the people that make games, they call us woke trannies and commies and tell us we should lose our jobs if we do something they don’t like. The only moral path forward for the industry is a workers owned platform. Literally can’t think of a reason why someone would be opposed to this unless they’re brainwashed by corpo propaganda

All anti-steam rhetoric is an astroturf campaign paid by the ADL because steam refused to censor their users

>>737940113
>they call us woke trannies and commies
kek, so this guy >>737940086 was actually correct
fuck off, troon. no one will play your shitty point & click RPG maker depression game, regardless of which platform you host it on.

>>737940079
>the industrialist that owns all the railroads isn’t holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use his service. You can just deliver your cargo on horseback if you want
Hey, fuck you bootlicker

>>737940008
Your shitty retarded indie game gets access to steam for a relatively small cut. You wouldn't sell a single copy without them dumb commie retard

>>737940113
>CULTIST!!! FANBOY!!!
If time travel ever gets invented I think we should teleport most indie shitters and fags like you back to the 2000's, especially the time when Gays for Winblows Die was still a thing.

>>737939971
They never seem to offer something reasonable and grounded in reality. It's just pie in the sky horseshit like some secular version of a religious zealot. I mean I can bullshit a more sensible answer than his "Hurr durr 100% steam should host content for free". Which would be:

>30% is an onerous sum on top of taxation and without any work on behalf of steam to promote your product beyond just hosting it.
>That is a 30% flat fee regardless of the production cost of a game, the size of the developing company (or if it was one person).
>30% impacts one dev hits much harder than 30% impacting Capcom or Blizzard.
>There should be a scale that increases the percentage steam gets the more your game sales. That would have steam have a vested interest in your success.
>Of course steam can't have the rate start off at 0%, Steam needs to make a profit off your game. Maybe also tie it to file size for hosting/downloading/uploading. But maybe 10% for low profit games, 20% for middle, 30% for high.

There's flaws in that argument but I could bullshit up a reasonable one that wasn't reee boootlicker reeeee I want free infastructure reeeeee perfect is the enemy of good reeeee

>>737940214
If Valve didn’t exist and we had a workers owned platform with similar capabilities to Steam, what would be your issue with it? Other than it not being owned by your favorite corpo

>>737940173
The industrialist owns the railroads because he built them you retarded nigger. And he didn't build them as a charity.
If you want to use them, pay for it.
If you think he's an extorting cunt who is abusing his position, go and build your own.
Until Valve lobbies for laws that ban anyone but them from running a digital distribution service, all your whining is just a tranny tantrum.

Why am I, the consumer, meant to give a fuck about whatever the devs cut is anyway?
That sounds like their problem rather than mine.

>>737940008
They made a store that has strong user loyalty and trust and that creates a customer base eager to spend. That is not a easy task just ask Tim.

Every store is not equal even if they stock the same items anyone in business can tell you that. Some stores foster better enviroments for business to flow and vendors will fight to be a part of it. Steam has done that.

You're lucky Steam doesn't take 40% because they could.

>>737940275
You are literally brainwashed by capital and billionaires. Why would you, or anyone, be opposed to a workers owned platform over a corpo owned platform?

>Your response /v/?
Make a better service.

>>737940263
If Steam didn't exist there'd also be no Steam clone, since you pea-brained retard wouldn't have anything to just blindly copy in your drag & drop sandbox.

Go and build your CommieSteam, there is not a single law preventing you from doing so. Valve will not interfere with you doing it, same as how they didn't interfere with all the other competitors that popped up.

>>737940263
>If Valve didn’t exist and we had a workers owned platform with similar capabilities to Steam
I really want you to tell me how that would work in a time when PC gaming was declared dead, lookes upon unfavourably and often avoided because everyone was scared of heccin piracy.

>>737940317
>They made a store that has strong user loyalty and trust and that creates a customer base eager to spend.
It’s a platform where you put your credit card info in and get a game to download and play.
>That is not an easy task just ask Tim.
Yeah he really fucked up because Valve fans are irrational bootlicking corp worshipping cultist freaks

>>737938321
Commie retards being commie retards??

>>737940360
>If Steam didn't exist there'd also be no Steam clone, since you pea-brained retard wouldn't have anything to just blindly copy in your drag & drop sandbox.
It’s literally an online store you fucking retard, LMAO. Here we have a corp worshipper telling me that it’s very difficult , to the point of impossibility, for any competitor to make an online storefront where you buy and download games
>>737940363
We’re talking about 2026 where PC gaming is bigger than ever

I am genuinely surprised that EGS is basically a death sentence for games. I would have thought it would have been another case of "gamers take it up the ass and ask for more".

>>737940314
Side effect of social media. They get a couple thousand followers, now think that means they are super popular and everyone loves them, and therefore people should give a shit.
In reality, no one cares. There are enough games to last you through multiple lifetimes, it's irrelevant if some devs go broke. If their business model isn't profitable, that's their problem, not mine.

>>737939814
Keep crying, Tim.

>>737940458
>It’s literally an online store you fucking retard, LMAO
Build one then.
Why do you need Steam to die before you can build CommieSteam?
If your commie version of it will be as great as you claim, then it will easily steal Steam's userbase and that's it.

>>737938607
>>737939410
Now apply this to socialists in real life who will say any big corporation is inherently evil and you suddenly realise they're nothing but jealous, vindictive incels who don't know or care about the background

>>737938321
I still don't understand why I as a customer would want steam to die? Other storefronts that offer lower prices already exist and they sell me steam keys.

>published 28 October 2024
posting in a bait thread
YOU

>>737940458
>We’re talking about 2026 where PC gaming is bigger than ever
And this is only thanks to the fact that Gaben saw PC gaming as something actually worthwhile and deserving support.
I genuinely want you to answer me: assuming that it is now year like... 2006 and Valve doesn't exist, how would your magical worker platform even exist? Where would said "workerks" come from in a time when PC gaming was NOT seen as attractive by a lot of people and the industry openly told people that it has no future & everyone should move to consoles? How would said "workers" make their heccin epic platform despite being scared of evil piracy? Huh?

>>737940008
This is such a dumbass and dishonest argument I see it in every single thread about this issue. It always get shredded but people persist in spreading it.

>>737940327
You retarded subhuman aren't even able to process 4 lines in a row.
No one is opposed to you building a platform like that. Go and build it. Prove that what you say is true. If you genuinely believe in it, then just do it, become the billionaire you want to be. No one is stopping you.

Physicists did it just fine with arXiv despite all the competition they faced, so you cannot claim that Steam existing somehow means your platform would have no chance of success because it's an unfair playing field.
There are no laws that prevent you from just doing it, the playing field is perfectly fair.

>>737940327
Condemn the holodomor

>>737940519
Steam cultists are loyal to Steam. It’s transcended the question of whether or not it’s a good platform. Even if a better platform did arise, they wouldn’t budge out of corp brainwashing loyalty. Thats why the average Steam cultist would rather buy a game on Steam even if it was available on an objectively superior platform like GOG where they don’t get any DRM

>>737940650
>Steam cultists are loyal to Steam.
If you believe that, then you have zero chance of ever winning them as customers for your dev hosted platform anyway.

Why even bother trying to argue with commies? Just call them retarded and move on. What are they gonna do? Bitch in their tumblr page to their 10 followers?

Please pull all your shitty indie games from steam I don't want to look at them

>>737940650
Steam is the best store and they are rewarded for it. Cry more.

>>737938607
Notice how every steam user is a tasteless pedophile like you.

>>737938607
Also:
>no-one cares about the effective monopoly for years other than a few companies seething that their own shitty marketplaces are flopping
>valve wins a lawsuit against the Rothschilds
>suddenly masses of anti-Steam shills materialize out of nowhere

>>737938465
Much rather have Gabe than some boardroom full of (((shareholders))) looking to squeeze every penny they can

>>737940784
Hey Rothchild, why did you lose?

>>737940687
I have no hope of convincing anyone of anything. But the downfall of Steam is inevitable. Whites are dying out in the US, and with them the capitalist mentality and corp worshipping attitudes. The new Americans are more left wing and open to socialist thinking, think Zohran Mamdani. A corp like Valve will be identified as a useless middleman that sits and extracts labor value from workers and will be nationalized and given to the workers. Gaben will have to flee to his private island in New Zealand, otherwise he would be tried by a workers tribunal and likely sentenced to death

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>>737938607
Trvke
Steam brought PC gaming to the living room, no longer locked in some dusty office. Companies wants to break into the market that steam created and has maintained but won't offer the same premium service that steam does.
I will never make an epic account because of their gay timed exclusives, it's anti consumer and I won't support a company that operates that way.
Shout-out GoG they're cool

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>the (((((((workers))))) are mentally ill tranny-worshipping psychotic faggots who will happily tear each other apart without a second thought if you tell them that they will get social media likes or "moral superiority" for it
>I'm supposed to support these faggots instead of Fat Fuck Gabe who just gives me a working service and sells me vidya
??????

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>>737938607
>Do you feel entitled to Steams consumer base?
It's literally this. And it's only this.
It's funny that the article mentions Disco Elysium, which is marxist propaganda lmao

>>737940880
You are retarded as shit and your whole life will be miserable.
And honestly, you deserve it.

>>737940650
>Steam cultists are loyal to Steam.
More like people are sick of creating more accounts for shit. Oh boy I can't wait to create another account for a service that definitely won't have a databreach and I definitely won't get spammed with password reset emails because Rajesh from India is trying to get in.

>>737940880
I hope you get a paid vacation to the middle east and then get raped to death by the brownoids you worship.

>>737940650
GOG has:
>No notifications to tell me a game I like is on sale
>Slower download speeds
>No built in recording or screenshot options
>No way to see which of my friends have the game
Steam is just better for modern releases. GOG offers a special service where they ensure old games will run on modern hardware so if I want some uncslop I'll go there.

>>737940990
>>737941045
Looks like I struck a nerve.

>>737940008
>valve does nothing on their own
Yeah I guess any videogame developer can just introduce and distribute their own videogames and own and maintain their own servers for free.

>>737938321
I would love a store and launcher that actually competed with Steam. That would be neat. Competition is not a bad thing.
Its just too bad every other store and launcher is either too specialized (Publisher specific launchers, some of which you have to use even if steam is your choice anyway), too niche (gog with its no drm policy, which isn't compatible with every release), or doesn't do enough to make the user experience appealing and instead relies on free games and exclusivity contracts to lure you in (Epic).

>>737940880
You're dreaming about the government handing steam to you on a silver platter a service which you've decided adds 0 value which makes no sense. Furthermore you've decided that your shitty indie game has any inherent value at all which is just sad

>>737940897
pretty much.
Steam offers a good service for me as a consumer, and that is all I care about.
whatever goes on between Valve and the devs is their problem and I really couldn't give less of a shit. I am not getting a cut from their profits, so why would I care about maximizing their profits.

>>737940897
The reason steam is so based and there's infinite anti-steam shills is that it's a private company so (((they))) can't get their grubby mitts on it. No public shareholders to appease, just uncle gaben and his friends who want to provide games to everyone for reasonable prices.
I have a fear that when Gaben dies they'll find a way to rip the company to shreds and force it to go public.

>>737941164
kek, this.
>steam adds no additional value, it's all the workers!
>that is why it is of fundamental importance that Valve gets dispossessed and we gain ownership over Steam
>because it's worthless

>>737938607
bro please stop noticing this, stop right now

Aloy of people keep bitching about steams commission, but when they host on other platforms that supposedly don't take a 3000% cut, the price for me as an end consumer is still the same as if I was to buy the game on steam, Xbox marketplace, PSN etc. what is the incentive for me to go to another platform, if none of the savings is passed on to me?

>>737940792
>>valve wins a lawsuit against the Rothschilds
Against a guy with the last name Rothschilds who's unrelated to the old money family.

>>737941234
We believe you Rajesh, you will get an extra cup of poo for dinner if you convince more people to abandon steam

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>>737938607
You really upset the tankie troons that believe others are entitled to what you spent 20 years cultivating.
Anyway, thank you for the TRVKE. I will be sure to use it in the future when other little faggots that don't know what a monopoly is call steam a monopoly.
Use GOG if you have a problem with steam. I do. Literally the only thing stopping people from using steam is the developers they support not putting their games on GOG too.

I found it really funny that the Steam 30% cut got ethical consumption moralfags up in arms "bro it's not fair to the indie devs!!!".
Industries built on animal cruelty and human suffering? Nah, fucking video game indie devs is the real shit.

>>737938321
I thought the most promising Disco Elysium successor studio unionized and then folded immediately? Is this the second most promising Disco Elysium successor studio?

>>737939736
>Microsoft and Epic are the good guys who give creators a fairer share
Wouldn't have expected that a decade ago

>>737941164
Fascinating how the mere existence of indie games causes /v/ to go into apoplectic seethe mode.

>>737938321
Valve is the absolute last group we should get rid of. It is the closest to a reasonable compromise even if it is rough for the devs and monolithic.

They haven’t gotten everything right but they’ve made few mistakes and the consumer protections are pretty exemplary. Still a store, but not one that actively hates you- which shouldn’t be rare, but hey 2026

>>737941408
I feel like typing "Microsoft" and "good guys" in the same sentence should summon a lightning bolt from the sky and instantly fucking kill you.

>>737941323
>to what you spent 20 years cultivating.
kek, this
>valve invests in it at a time when it wasn't all that profitable
>pulls it back from the dead, making it financially successful
>bunch of troons goes "I could have done that"
but you didn't, and you wouldn't have.

>>737941136
>chapotraphouse tranny thinks his delusions are reality

>>737938321
Theres no monopoly companies do not hold exclusivity to steam. Sm betting the global elite want a control. If gabe goes it will be the end of video games. Look at ubisoft every game is barely playable due to microtranaction. It's been reported people arent buying games anymore. If steam goes it's over. Steam has a monopoly cos they are they only decent ones out there that can hold there own. Gog epic they are all bad.


End of steam will mean the final death blow in the coffin of video games.

>>737941385
basically a conga-line of battlefield promotions I guess, kek

>>737938321
>biased journalist poisons the well in title of article episode 83662094019882111

>>737938607
/thread
Back in 2000s you literally could not play a fighting game on a computer (back when fighting games were actually relevant). We played fucking mugen because actual publishers couldn't be assed.
Now PC is far and away the best platform wih the most choice and it's largely because of steam.

>>737938321
I agree with the commies.
Valve is better than the competition but their high market share means they can pretty much do whatever they want and get away with it.

I don't think anything crazy will happen under Gabe, but I'm not going to feel comfortable unless the industry comes together to create some sort of decentralized library.
Something similar to Movies Anywhere, where you can buy movies digitally on Amazon, iTunes, or Google Play and add it all to the same library.
This will never happen though.

>>737938607
>>Instead everyone just flees to consoles and treat the PC market like third rate citizens
I vaguely remember drowning in mods and total conversions during this period and I'm not sure if that would've happened if not for the PC market exodus so maybe in the end it was a good thing

>>737941552
>End of steam will mean the final death blow in the coffin of video games.
Sadly true. Sure, GoG will get a big boost if that happens, but then it will become the next evil to destroy because people will choose to get games on GoG instead of Origin, Uplay or whatever. I guess GoG's "crime" will be supporting heccin evil pirates and killing wholesome indie deverinos with their DRM-free policy and quality control.

>"""people""" talk about steam bad, steam ruined pc gaming, ect
>i just remember those brief few years of ms trying to make pc like xbox with games for windows live
Hey remember when they tried to make you pay for online with that too and they backtracked at lightspeed?

>>737939570
Okay but as an electrical worker, why should I care? Or any blue collar worker in general? Steam treats me just fine, provides extra services besides being a game store, and those extra services don't cost me a cent. In comparison the tranny devs who campaign against steam consider my views and economic desires as culturally backwards and politically heinous. All the while appealing to the "working class". I know when you say WE it doesn't include me, or any of the working class plebians. Fuck off faggot.

>>737941493
Yes, exactly. Yet here they are taking the lowest cut. What's happened to our reality?

>>737941698
>they can pretty much do whatever they want and get away with it.
for some reason, they have only chosen to make a good product that doesn't ass-rape the customers.

>>737938321
Just release your game on gog or itch.io instead

>>737941625
I mean I recall I walked on my big sister playing Tekken on a emulator when I was a kid but yeah, if you wanted to play fighting vidya on PC back then emulation was your only hope basically. Kinda wild how spoiled we are now in terms of fighting vidya alone today. Back then the best we got was, IDK, Street Fighter 4? And even then that was on Gays for Winblows.
>>737941823
I remember how even if you pirated a game you couldn't remove GFWL cancer from it and had to use workarounds.

>>737941698
>I agree with the commies
Kill yourself

>>737941842
they could just make a platform that offers the same service, but at a cheaper price. if Steam is supposedly taking an unfair cut that in no way reflects the expenses they have, then devs can just make their own Steam and sell the games for less, because that cut is gone.
Steam would still have the advantage of already being established, but cheaper prices are always a good lure.
they wouldn't though. if they built a steam clone, the price would still be exactly the same. so why would I as a consumer care.
this is just random people bitch fighting over who gets to take how much of my money, it's none of my concern.

>>737939570
>valve dictating the rules on their platform bad!
>us, the workers, will make our own platform and dictate the rules! we are different!
Congrats you dumbshit communist you made the thing you hate most.
A corporation.

>>737938321
>faggot store front
>likely only give people licenses to have the power to take away games from chuds
>close down a year later and everyone loses their games
cant wait

>>737938321
Steam is just convenient
>consistent sales (not as good as they used to be, but can still get much cheaper than console jewery)
>all my games in one place
>can play them anywhere any time, even without an internet connection

>>737938321
All commies must die

Yes, yes, billionaires bad, corporations bad whatever.
Remember SecuROM? GFWL? Other dogshit DRM that treated you like a dirty rapist for daring to want to install this game you paid for?

>>737941890
That is true for now, but who knows if it will stay like that? There are no guarantees in life.
>>737941962
I am content with my life and have no desire to end it at this time.

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>>737938465
The only reason this is scary to me is because Gabe is eventually going to die.
And after that we're going to be subject to the same egregore as everyone else.

>>737942141
My main memory of GFWL was after I bought Arkham City for PC when it came out. It ran on GFWL that went down sometimes which meant I couldn't play my single player game.

I'm glad thing is fucking dead and rotting in the ground.

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>>737938321
>most promising Disco Elysium successor studio
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>737942279
there is no guarantee that I will use steam in the future.

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>/v/ S T I L L doom posting about Steam stealing all of your games some day

I swear this has been going on since the early 2010s, you need to let it go anons. This would cause the largest class action lawsuit in human history that would literally bankrupt Valve.

I quite enjoy seeing Xbox/Playstation children make claims about PC gaming when their only exposure to 2000's PC gaming was "my friends older brother has a PC".
Shit was fucking grim. Physical stores were largely useless unless you were into Blizzard games or like, the Sims.

>>737942315
This.
The only reason Steam stays good is because Gabe keeps Valve private and doesn't answer to retarded shareholders. If he doesn't find a good successor then it's just a matter of time before enshitification hits Steam like everything else.

>>737941698
whatever they want and getting away with it in this case means providing cheap games to everyone and ensuring when publishers pull the plug on something people who own the game can still play it
it's a pro-consumer storefront and that's why it always wins

>>737942414
That's good, but most people will just deal with whatever decisions Valve makes because they don't want to lose their libraries, and the remaining options for (You) will never improve.

>>737938607
i clearly remember ubisoft dropping pc market saying "they were all pirates" just to crawl back and try that bullshit that was uplay and fail miserable. Even EA had the decency to port they games to pc before bring up origin. Now everyone wants to make they own little store but it's too late.

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>>737939570
I do not care about the creators of video games, you are not people to me.
Make more product, you are not an auteur director you are just a factory for slop.

>>737938321
Good morning sir.

>>737943406
>Now everyone wants to make they own little store but it's too late.
No, they already tried that and realized it doesn't work. That's why they came crawling back to Steam.

>>737943112
My point is that their goals aren't set in stone.
Yes, their current business model aligns with consumer interests, but how do you know that things will stay the same after a change in leadership for example?

>>737942546
Steam does not have the ability or the rights to let people keep their games when they eventually shut down. Thinking Gabe will just give you DRM-free games is just copium.

>>737943406
>"pc gamers are pirates fuck them" - most big publishers in the 2000's
>they take notice of how big steam is getting
>start putting their games on steam
>"actually fuck that we can make our own platform!"
>they start to pull their games from steam/not release them on steam and use their own storefront
>it bleeds to death over a few years and they start putting their games on steam again
The early to mid 2010's was a funny time.

>>737939570
>30% cut for literally nothing
You whiny fucking bitch. You greedy bottomfeeder.
If it was for nothing then Steam would not be dominating the market like it is. The simple fact is that making a digital storefront that's actually GOOD is hard work, and no one except Valve has managed it.
Go ahead. Try and make your own. Then you'll see why everyone else who tried also failed.

>>737940263
>similar capabilities to Steam
Likely story. You'd gut it entirely, because you and the AAA publishers share a common goal in wanting end users to have 0 voice outreach to other users in order to not influence sales and public perception. There would be user reviews being easily accessible to other users, or user forums, or user mods, because all of these bypass your tranny leftist censorship apparatus. Steam is king, because they don't allow shareholders and troon activists to dictate what the end user is allowed to do with his game. It's the only platform where you can complain about the dev's blatant leftist activism affecting the game, or the AAA publisher doing some nickle and diming. We saw what the world would look like if indie lefty devs had and corpos had their way during the early and mid 2010s. "Gamers aren't your audience, gamers are over" was that world. Where any resistance to practices that are hostile to customer were met with that response. Valve is popular, and is hated by publishers, because they're the most consumer friendly publisher on the market. They're the "pick mes" of publisher, and you're all mad you can't shame them into putting publisher interests over customer interests, while still being baffled how they retain their popularity.

>>737939852
>They should be crushed as a company and a new platform with all the same features as Steam should replace it
So you just want to have Steam but you're incapable of actually creating a viable competitor and instead want to copy paste it and remove the original creator from the market. That's hilarious.

>>737943956
>you're incapable of actually creating a viable competitor
Yeah, because Steam literally doesn't allow publishers to sell at a lower price on other stores.

Does anyone have the article where Timmy Tencent says PC is dead and over and that the future is console? That was before he crawled back to PC and before Fortnite made billions. That was the era we're talking about when we say the only reason PC gaming exists in its modern, prosperous state is due to Valve's efforts. Valve did to PC in the late 00s up to late 10s what Nintendo did to gaming in general in the 80s. They're the sole reason the medium prospered in this manner.

>>737944291
>let me just use your storefront to advertise for free and actively undercut you else where
This is what jews call "chutzpah" lefty troon. You can just set your game at any price at any store, and never use steam if steam is so bad.
>b-b-b-but I have a right to all the install base! it's not fair that they worked hard, cultivated, and retained such a large install base that was ignored by everyone else!

>>737944291
Yes they fucking do? For obvious reasons you can't sell Steam keys for less than what you are asking for on Steam.

>>737939852
>I unironically don’t know how someone can read what I’m articulating and argue that it would be better for Steam to exist and be run by a soulless corpo.
I don't care about you as creators, you are worthless to me considering the fact you can't make video games as good as the ones that existed 20 years ago.
Glad you lose money on steam and I wish it was 35% instead, get fucked retard.

>>737944291
But you're suggesting a worker-owned storefront to outright replace Steam, why do you need to put your games on Steam?

>>737944314
>it's the 2000's and a publisher has something to say about pc gaming
>"pc gamers are pirates"
>"pc gaming is dead"

>>737939570
>muh 30%
If Valve reduced it to 15% would that translate to cheaper games for customers?
Obviously game studios would just pocket the extra 15%, so why do you expect anybody that isn't a game dev to give a fuck?

It's funny because a genuine competitor to Steam would be good for everybody.
But a lot of people, especially on /v/, would rather shoot themselves in the foot than side with people who act as entitled and annoying as game devs.

If you happen to be a game dev then you should stop expecting people to care about you because it's counter-productive.
If you're not a game dev then you're the same as the people riding Valve's dick, you're just licking different boots.

>>737939852
>They should be crushed as a company and a new platform with all the same features as Steam should replace it
Go ahead. Make such a platform. Nobody is stopping you, but you're not going to do shit. Steam isn't a monopoly, it's privately owned, which is the main difference between it, EPIC and other 3rd rate shit stores.

>>737944291
>Yeah, because Steam literally doesn't allow publishers to sell at a lower price on other stores.
So you resort to lying as your argument has fallen to its face. Steam allows you to sell games where ever you want as low as you want, but not steam keys. They do not allow you to sell steam keys in another storefront for lower price than in steam, as steam wouldn't get its cut in exchange for using steam's infrastructure. That's the bit you retards take for granted, isn't it? The immense infra steam provides for that cut, that lets users download and redownload the game as many times as they want, as well as offering servers, and keeping the games patched at all times.

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>>737938607
Most indie devs are also too dumb for their own good, the reason that your game sold at all is because it's on steam, if you really think your game is good enough to sell outside of steam without the cute you would have sold it there
>it's not realistic for an indie dev to set up the infrastructure to sell a game all by themselves!!!!
then they need to accept that they pay the fee, if steam didn't exist it would be 500000 different platforms and launchers and the indie scene would be dead

>>737940173
>he thinks video games are an essential service with a de facto market value
holy fuck my sides
every day the western artist class gets more and more unhinged

>>737944938
I sorta believe AI generated shit was divine punishment for those annoying fuckers.

>>737943565
The only scenarios where you lose your games is if the world ends or there's some massive breakdown of society. Steam is already technically DRM free for a lot of titles as you could disconnect a device permanently from the internet after installing a bunch of games on it and still have access it to play any that don't require an internet connection.

Even if Valve went bankrupt there'd be lines of companies fighting to buy the platform.

>>737944710
>would that translate to cheaper games for customers?
This. As a customer, I didn't give a fuck when Timmy promised that Ebin chink store only takes 17% for its cut, as the games were JUST AS FUCKING EXPENSIVE as before. Competition is always good for the consumer, but none of the existing stores can do that, as none but GoG along Steam, are privately owned. Pro consumer means anti-investor in the short term, which is a big no no.

>>737942861
Rumor is he's grooming his son to take over with the same plan of "don't fucking touch it, it prints money" but that's hearsay.

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>>737938321
>workers must unite to topple steam
Aren't all steam employees millionaires? What is this retardation? "digital fiefdom"? just make your own steam bro :^)
Like these shitstains have said for years, if you don't like current video games, just make your own :^)

>>737939852
>I unironically don’t know how someone can read what I’m articulating and argue that it would be better for Steam to exist and be run by a soulless corpo.
It's simple, you are worthless. You bring no value to the world. You are a blight to anyone around you. You thrive on filth and ugliness. Your single objective is to make others' lives worse for your benefit. You are, funny enough, the exact boogeyman you're trying to pin on valve. And for your low IQ, social cripple chicanery, you'll meet the end you deserve in suicide.

>>737939513
Steam isn't a monopoly. Monopolies are by definition legally enforced.
>uhhhhh but i just came up with my own definition so now theyre a monopo-
You are mentally unwell.

>>737945285
Gabe Newell's son Gray wanted to work at Respawn and make a Titanfall game back in 2018.
He probably changed his mind after the extraction shooter slop they made, then he wanted to make an FPS MMORPG called "Fury" but the 2020 covid lockdown happened, kept him inside for a year so he went back to car racing instead.
He likes Titanfall a lot, rarely plays valve games, thinks they should "push it" more and used to play WoW (probably before it went to shit)

>The most promising Disco Elysium successor studio
lmao
Anyways, just release on gog then, I'm sure it'll sell well

>>737939852
>They should be crushed as a company and a new platform with all the same features as Steam should replace it
Commie being retarded as usual.
If you replace Valve and just give a copy of current Steam to someone else, then it will turn to dogshit like everything else in record time.
Then devtards will be left wondering why a lower cut didn't increase their profit. It will be because without a quality platform like Steam, the user base you're selling to will shrink and the reduced sales will cost you far more than 30%.

>>737945685
No, they aren't. But also, Steam isn't a monopoly because Epic, Bethesda, Ubisoft, EA, and GOG all maintain competing stores.

>>737943425
This is my exact response when people bitch about AI.

>>737943425
If more people were like you, things would be exactly the same as they are now, but more.

>>737938321
I have the ultimate irrefutable response to this type of shit. Psychologist approved by the way.
>I dont care, not a single nigga that has ever asked me to care about their flights has crusaded for an issue I have
Ezpz

>>737938321
The devs dont need to use steam do they?

>>737938465
Gabe is great.

>>737939814
The day I take back talk from a larper who wouldn’t know what GFWL means is the day I delete my image folder

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Alright, but apart from
>Steam workshop
>In home streaming
>Auto game updates
>Web streaming to phone
>Community Profiles
>Best review system
>Curators
>Holiday sales events
>Community profiles
>Group chat
>Voice chat
>Steam overlay
>Big picture mode
>Best controller support
>Best game library tools
>Play specific game versions
>Remote play together
>Best friends list
>Achievements
>Franchise pages
>Screenshots and cloud storage
>Cloud saves
>Mobile app
>Mobile chat app
>Livestreaming
>Streaming features
>Community guides
>Community forums
>Steam marketplace
>News hub
>Store discovery
>Music player
>Steam OS
>Steam Deck
>Family game sharing
>Open about game metrics
>Steam inventory
>CD key generation support
>SteamVR
>Proton
>Gamescope
>Steam Datagram Relay
>AMD driver improvements
>Gift cards
>Wallet
>Linux Support
>Non-steam game / pirated game support
What has Steam ever done for us??

>>737939215
>People seriously don't acknowledge how fucking grim PC was treated by most publishers during whatever the fuck you call the PS3/360 era.
I remember when some DLCs were console only. Like the Severed DLC short-campaign for Dead Space 2. That was literal discrimination and them wanting to force people to play on consoles.

>>737946753
The time period when corpos were getting used to how digital distribution and DLC content will work on PC long term was pretty shit too. Reminder MK9 got pulled from sale because they couldn't use Freddy Kueger anymore and he was just part of the game. Netherrealm/WB clearly learned from that though because guest characters in later MK games are seperate DLC so they could just remove them from sale instead of the whole games, also MKX is still alive without signs of problems despite having Predator, Alien, Jason and Leatherface in it

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They could just not release their game on Steam if they don't like it. PC is at least less of aa closed garden than any of the consoles. They're never going to get away from Steam as a major player in the market unless there's a better alternative. Part of that is having games Steam doesn't. But they won't do that, because for all their bluster about this, they don't actually care enough to put their potential cash cow at risk. Everybody has principles until someone offers them a payday.

Reminder that every single steam "competitor" wants to do away with:-
User reviews
User forums
User mods
They don't see these as features, they see them as threats to their profit margins (or ideology in the case of indies and lefty devs). They all want a tightly controlled ecosystem where no user can have any interaction with another user unless it's on a highly monitored and censored public chat or private DMs. They want any opinion that strays from "consume product and be excited for next product" to remain silent and alone, even if they're the majority.

It's impossible not to notice that these threads more than tripled after the Rothschild thing.

>>737946935
Thank God Disney didn't get apeshit over Pred and Alien in MKX.
Also really wish that Severed DLC was also on PC. Hoped that if the DS remake goes well then EA would greenlit a DS2 remake and the chances of getting this DLC but in remake format would be a possibility...and sadly it won't happen despite the remake selling a tad more than the original because EA hoped to sell 5 million. Greedy assholes...

On the other hand when it comes to that dark era of gaming, one DLC I won't miss will be the infamous post-story DLC for the 2008 Prince of Persia game. Didn't like it at all and glad it never got to PCs. I prefer the ending being ambiguous.

>>737938607
this destroys the commie
>>737938321
its insane how talented some niggas can be yet still hold the same political views I had when I was 15

The only good way to topple Steam is to just add more genuine competition which you can do without any language about how Steam needs to die. In a post-Steam world we want something better right? But no one is building it, they're just saying Steam is bad. It's the most transparent bullshit ever. They're either an industry plant or just being ideological with no real solutions. Since these are lefties I assume it's both.

>>737938607
>Do you feel entitled to Steams consumer base?
Of course they do. These are the same people who bitch and moan about the state of the industry when nobody buys their dogshit excuse for a "game", because they feel that just making one entitles them to the customers' money regardless of whether it's any good or not.

>>737938321
Steam is what makes pc gaming great. Yes, if some cunt ever took over Valve then it would be ruined. But Steam is literally the only good and pure thing we have in this world.

>>737938321
>commie larpers
i will now not purchase your game

>>737938321
30% is a lot of revenue to hand over in an era when self distribution is technically cheap but unfavorable due to player trends / sentiment

If it were 10% it'd be a non argument

>>737947604
>game prices and publisher practices and indie dev activism remains unchanged regardless of middle man cut
I fail to see how that is my problem. In fact, I have a vested interest in making sure things remain the same as the people I named not only actively hate me, but their interests are opposed to mine.

>>737938395
Biggest bunch of fart huffers imaginable. Just watch an interview with Tuulik and that random bitch who didn't actually work on DE.

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>digital fiefdom of steam
>book includes the mastermind behind tf2 hat economy and steam microtransaction push

???

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>>737938321
>>737947604

Minecraft a PC game. was and is not on Steam, and is the most played video game in history, World of Warcraft was never on steam, League of Legends were never on steam.

not using steam has always been an option

>>737938321
>I should pay the least amount of money possible for production and release
>I should get the maximum amount of money customers are willing to pay for my product
Now we ask our dear viewers at home to answer the question :
Is this a) Coming from the mouth of an everyday capitalist b) coming from raging communists?

>>737947604
No, I think Linux investment is far more important to videogames as a whole than your unwillingness to put your money where your mouth is, lazy grifter.

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>>737938607
>>737938321
I guess I must be old because i can still remember the "before times" when you could drive to the store. Buy a physical copy of the disc the pc game was on. Install it and play it forever on whatever computer you owned without worrying about drm or it getting dropped from the steam library or whatever.

Must be strange for all you young people to have no idea how disc drives work. Or how to do anything on a computer without steam holding your hand.

Are they insulting heckin based Gaben? Owner of my favorite monopoly selling new rental game keys I'll inevitably lose?!

>>737948242
Yeah man. A world where we have only minecrap, MMO's and f2p garbags like League of Legends while consoles get all the games & preferential treatment sure sounds like a dream.

>>737938321
There are no good successor games of Disco Elysium. Ebb was boring reddit cringe. The feminist girlboss game didnt even installed this shit

>>737945285
Isn't he a retard that drives in F1? Not a single person with an IQ in three digits cares about that "sport" and you just know he'll sell Steam in a heartbeat to fund another lap

>>737948584
I was getting and using disc games for many years, poser. Your post changes nothing about what was said ITT. PC gaming would be grim without Steam and physical would die anyway, getting raped to death with increasingly bad "copy protection". Would you really have that over it just quietly stepping aside for Steam?

>>737948381
The end goal of every business is to operate the way the federal reserve does. Privatize gains, and socialize losses. They're communists when it's time to pay, and they're hardcore ancap when it's time to get paid.

>>737948761
What are you going to do to solve it commie, do you have a plan to bring back physical media to PC

>>737938321
Maybe topple it by not putting your game on Steam then?

>>737948890
>Would you really have that over it just quietly stepping aside for Steam?

Yes. Because im not an idiot who buys into
>le change is INEVITABLE!
Meme that increasingly forces the public to accept shittier and shittier deals where you have no power and dont own anything you pay money for.

>muh DRM!
And notice how even with steam they still never fixed that problem. The only benefit steam offers is convenience and that convinience comes at the cost of being a slave who never really owns what he pays money for.

Communists aren't human and therefore should not be afforded rights applicable to humans.

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The most promising Lanced Jack successor poster (me) says that article is a load of crap.

>>737938321
It's not the responsibility of the state to mandate competition simply because every other competitor fails to actually compete.

>>737948584
We have you to thank for for making battle.net successful, dumb nigger larper.

>>737939557
Not if your game ain't shit.
Look at something like Vintage Story, they don't want to go on steam because they don't want to share profits but no one cares because it's actually good.

>>737949078
Holy shit you love to whine.
What's your honest solution to this? You're shitting up this whole thread acting like if you remove steam suddenly zoomers and gen A will go out and buy blu-ray drives for their nonexistent PCs.
In reality, nothing would change besides more shit getting locked down by the big players that fill the vacuum. Snoy, Xbox, and that faggot Tim will be right there to provide a much worse solution.

>>737938395
keeeek now that's pathetic

>>737949078
You clearly are a retard because you lack the inteligence to imagine what direction PC gaming would head into if it didn't have Gaben and Valve around. You'd really just last to this day being treated like a second-class citizen and having barely anything to play besides old shooters/strategy games, F2P shit and Minecraft? You'd really be happy with Games for Windows still being alive without Steam there to kill it off? Cmon.

>>737949078
No, you're an idiot who bought starforce paperweights.

>>737939852
>Steam is the monopoly
>monopoly
it's not a monopoly if the only reason you're at the top is because every other similarly sized competitor is clinically retarded.

I'm sorry sir, but as all our competitors refused to make decent products, so we have to dissolve the company.

>>737940327
You're free to build one. How well it does is up to you and the users.

>>737938607
>payed
SAAARS!

>>737949078
>And notice how even with steam they still never fixed that problem.
Yeah they did. It's DRM that doesn't treat you like a filthy criminal.
What was it, Starforce or fucking SecuROM that only gave you a limited number of installs before you "had" to buy another copy.
Or just crack it, which then makes you wonder why the fuck you even spent money to begin with. We weren't the technologically illiterate zoomers, piracy and getting cracked .exe's wasn't some obscure thing.

>>737938607
the funniest part is that some of the most successful games on pc arent on steam, diablo 3(at least at the time?) and minecraft both sold shitloads and arent(werent?) on steam

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>>737939852
A monopoly is when the company buys out and destroys all of its competition and actively makes it impossible for anyone else to make a company through threats, more buyouts and poisoning the well. All Steam has done is exist and all of its competitors have shriveled up and died of their own accord. Maybe if they tried not being shit they'd actually be competition.

>>737949941
It's always fucking trippy for me to see Minecraft being a kids thing with toys and what not when I go out, then remember that Notch used to post pre-alpha indev builds and shit here back in... 2009? 2010?

>>737938321
try it

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>>737949846
>Or just crack it, which then makes you wonder why the fuck you even spent money to begin with
This. Valve has been honest about their policies the entire time. Timmy has all the tools at his disposal to make something just as competent but instead of using his money to hire more software devs he pays license fees for exclusive rights and... gives games away for free. Imagine having such a shitty platform that having FREE GAMES isn't enough to entice people to stay.

>>737950064
When you think about it, it's digital Lego that you buy once and get infinite blocks. I know hindsight is 20/20, but it was a pretty obvious goldmine.

>>737938607
You can't just make a functional service that provides value and power to the customer.

>>737942279
There's no guarantee whatever utopia service you're begging for will remain your utopia, either, so by your logic why should we support any of them?

>>737938321
To be fair I was amazed to learn that Valve's cut is as high as 30% per game copy sold

>>737941984
Our corporation is better and more acceptable than their corporations.

>>737938321
You can tell this isn't the legit Disco people, because the true leftist take on Steam is that it should be nationalized and made into a public utility.

>>737950025
Funnily enough if either microsoft or epic had the dominant marketshare you could make a compelling argument to trust bust them due to the practices they engage in

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>>737939814
I'm not one of the anons you're replying to, however I AM an oldfuck that was there from the early days, and the bigger issue was that moving from WON to steam for counter-strike sucked in the early days, and the friends list didn't work for nearly the entire first year so we all had to use Xfire

despite all of that, Steam is still the best service we've ever had, and nobody can cry that Valve is a monopoly until a competitor ACTUALLY TRIES TO FUCKING COMPETE IN TERMS OF FEATURES
making some shitty half-assed store where all you do is buy shit doesn't magically just make people abandon a superior service, that would be completely fucking retarded to think, but modern CEO's didn;t get the memo apparently and then just whine when no one goes to their shitty service instead of the one with significantly more features and history

>>737950064
no for real same, i loved minecraft when i was like 10 and nobody knew what the fuck it was, it's surreal to see everyone knows it now

>>737948584
And of all things for the example of offline game from before times you used a blizzard game? One that got it's fame from being played online through battlenet? Also it's not like PC gaming didn't deal with cancer DRM like securom, you forgot that was a thing too? Or maybe you haven't actually played any games back then.

>go to games store to buy pc games
>95% of the store is console stuff
>find the pc games hidden in a corner with unopened boxes for more console stuff yet to be put on shelves
>it's just blizzard games and lego island or something like that
And that's how I become a pirate in the early 2000's. I just wanted to get Deus Ex and Age of Empires 2, which turned out to be some fucking impossible task.

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>>737940327
>'''worker'' owned platform
>no free speech
>no real customer reviews
>no community forums for troubleshooting (in some cases like Subnautica they actually redirect you to Steam for this)
>shit customer support
>no real sales

>''corpo'' platform
>am free to shit on any game i own in any length that i want
>community forums where i can write anything about the game i want no matter how much the cuck devs seethe about it
>actual refund service
>enough ways to filter out godawfull games
>always up to date to any dev pulling some bullshit like last minute DRM added to the game

Steam out of all platforms (except GoG) is the most friendly to ME
ME
the customer
who gives you ''workers'' your money to pay your overpriced LA studio rent
Dance for ME if you want my money you stupid monkeys

>>737938321
Technically it could be possible to hook a payment processor or crypto dealer onto a p2p client, but it would require the developers and customers to volunteer their bandwidth for long stretches of time, and if enough leechers show up it's not going to work anyways. Otherwise I see no way of distributing billions of terabytes of game data for "free".
Likely there'd be a ton of other issues, even more scammers or viruses etc. A lot of those are scared off by the $100 fee steam demands per game.

>>737951725
It's really funny how tyrannical indie and small team devs can and want to be.

>>737950342
Competition is the guarantee.
If more people had their libraries spread evenly across Steam and GOG then Valve would be less likely to abuse their position because they would want to avoid customers switching entirely to GOG.

I don't think Steam should be completely replaced and I don't think a new commie store is necessary.
I only agree with the commies in that Steam having so much influence is a bad thing.

>>737952712
All of Steam's competition sucked and died of their own accord. That's not Valve's fault. Competition has to be competent and actually provide competition.

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>>737941068
>>No notifications to tell me a game I like is on sale
???
>Slower download speeds
Works on my machine :^)
>No built in recording or screenshot options
you only need prtscr
>No way to see which of my friends have the game
It's a store where you purchase videogames, not a faceberg clone where obese transexuals larp on your profile

>>737939852
Workers are retarded. I don't want to use a platform run by them.

>>737938607
>why not host your game on GoG?
Can't arbitrarily take away the buyers' access if it's there.

The thing I will never understand is how people miss the fact that Steam did not fucking strongarm its way to the top. All that happened was that Valve offered a service very few others had available at the time, and continued to develop that service until it was just simply so good that both developers and consumers wanted to use it over alternatives.

These people are calling for someone to be taken down because they made a product so good that it took over most of the market. They are looking to punish success.

>>737953318
Nooo you don't understand, valve held all their games hostage to their platform to get it to take off!!! Never mind that basically every single competitor to steam from much bigger companies also did that

>>737952960
GOG is proof that you can make a good alternative and barely be profitable. Entering a market with an established competitor takes a lot more than just making a better product.
Even if GOG Galaxy had complete feature parity with it, the average PC gamer would keep defaulting to Steam anyway.

It's mostly because of a hoarding mindset where people just want to see the number go up on the account they already have.
Another factor is Steam becoming something like a social media site. They got people invested in curating their profiles, collecting badges to level up, and they even started doing that annual summary thing from Spotify.

>>737954278
>Lists a slew of features that Steam offers over its competitors
>"It's because of this!"

>>737953318
>Steam did not fucking strongarm its way to the top
yeah you definitely never were forced to install steam to play some nonvalve game you bought on dvd zoomer

>>737954389
They aren't real features. It does nothing to improve your experience of buying and playing games. It's just psychological marketing tactics. If that's enough for you to stay loyal to Valve then you probably have a low IQ.

>>737954278
>It's mostly because of a hoarding mindset where people just want to see the number go up on the account they already have.
For me, and I don't know how many other people are like me in this regard, but even just the idea of making another account for another service that i'll have to deal with is just massively off putting now that it outweighs the desire to want to play whatever game is exclusive on that platform.
I've turned into some grouchy guy that CBF anymore.
>no i dont want to create and account with you
>no i dont want to download your app
>just let me buy my games where i want and give me a physical fucking menu please

>>737939649
Die commie

>>737941850
They are doing that only so they can fuck you over later

>>737954278
The steam as social media platform thing is so weird to me. Discord has been the primary means of communication/organising/community for a while now. Steam in theory has forums, chats, groups some games even have integrations with steam groups but who the fuck actually uses that. I don't know anyone who sends steam DMs, who are all those stickers and shit even for, I have never used one. And if you go to forums it's weird as shit maniacs in there.

>>737954527
>Being able to use your digital storefront as both a text and voice chat service, connect with other likeminded people straight in the app, read what others think of games you might be interested in buying, listen to music (which you import or from the soundtracks of games you own) and to top it all of, it is all wrapped into a gamified and customizable environment

Yeah, such non-features. Who could ever want something like that?

>>737938395
I can smell the avocado toast through this image.

>>737948097
>Summer Eternal

I love billionaires and I know deep down that they love me (their #1 defender)

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>people are now saying everything valve has and offers is proof positive that it's a demonic force existing only to take everything you have and destroy everyone trying to make their own copies of valve

>>737938321
Yeah okay man
>*publishes game to Steam anyway like a boss*

>>737939468
It's a single player (short) VN-like rpg, Disco was nearly twice the size (in terms of content and voice work), and it still only gets a thread occasionally. That's just the way it is, not every game is going to have threads all the time and frankly 2 weeks is good staying power for an indie game

>>737955196
>if you don't mindlessly hate and seethe about what I hate you're the exact opposite of me and suck dicks and lick boots

>>737938607
>Do you feel entitled to Steam's consumer base?
This is exactly what it probably boils down to for most of these people. Motherfuckers want all the payoff for none of the effort.

>>737938321
Please tell me it's the scabs left over at ZA/UM saying this. It would make the poetry perfect.

>>737955389
Haha what's wrong faggot? Jealous that I suck dick and lick billionaire boots better than you? If you just worked harder, instead of buying new iphones, then you would be Billionaires #1 Simp instead.

>>737954715
I can understand that to an extent but it's unavoidable unless you're content with whatever services you currently use trying to rape you in the future.
I have a separate email address for new accounts so they can't constantly bombard me with bullshit.
>>737954880
Yeah, that's why I said it was something like a social media site instead of calling it social media. I rarely see people using Steam to directly socialize anymore. But there are some social media elements that people are still attached to.
>>737954908
Some of these are nice but they aren't what I was talking about. I never said or implied that Steam doesn't have any good features over GOG Galaxy.
I was referring to the features that have no real utility and just serve to make you attached to your account.

I always ask this, but why haven't you people gone out and done something about Gabe and Valve if you despise them so much?

>>737955753
>doesn't buy new iphones
>thinking he licks boots better than anybody
post tongue. i bet you don't even have any shoe polish on it, faggot.

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>>737948584
>Install it and play it forever on whatever computer you owned without worrying about drm or it getting dropped from the steam library or whatever.
Hey did you buy our game, you get limited installs on PC :^)
Did you change your GPU? That counts as a different PC so one less instal for you
Dont like that? How about putting in some random key on the back of the case
Or how about our new little security program called SecuRom (totally not malware)
Sounds much better than steam right mr oldfag?

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>>737938321
>>737955535

>>737956090
>Post tongue
Pay me $19.99 (plus tip) first. I don't do anything for free.
Except for defending billionaires from the lazy masses who never made something of their lives.

>>737938620
Gigatrvke

>>737938465
Wanting Valve, Sony, and Nintendo to lose and be out of gaming is wanting Microsoft to completely take over console and PC gaming. If you want that, you shouldn't be allowed to play video games at all.

>>737956297
Does this dev have a dedicated shill on a payroll?

>>737938321
I recently made a new Steam account, REBOUGHT my favourite games and also paid around 40 euros for some rare low in supply steam trading cards to craft a badge that I liked ^_^
If it is not on Steam, I am not buying it.
All these jealous subhuman leftoid communist developers and western publishers who tried to establish their own shitty store can keep seething for many more decades ^_^
How does it feel that I paid around 40 euros of money for literally jpg fluff for my Steam profile, but I wouldn't even pay 1 euro for your dogshit games that you think are good and you think are entitled to my time? LMAO.

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>>737938620
It's sad, but it's the truth.
Can you fucking imagine digital games distribution in the hands of ANY of the other big players right now?
The fact that the situation currently sucks doesn't mean it couldn't be much worse.

>>737939410
Steam bad and gaben is le evil for letting trannies change username because muh deadname if they cry loud enough about it, despite claiming to have a retard system that's completely dependent on one's username. I want to change mine because it's been like 15-20 years and because I just want to, okay? No, then Gayben is all like
>noooo you can't change your name because you just can't okay!!!! no one's seeing your username anyway sweaty :)
Ok but I see it and I don't want to. At least let me make a new account and gift all my games to the new one.
>nooooooo you can't do that!!!!!!!!

Fuck pissco elysium btw

>>737953034
>Muh trannies
Post discarded

>>737938321
They're not making a compelling argument just going off that headline, given how much the competitors suck.

The most compelling argument is that Gaben is going to die and without his weapons grade libertarian moral autism that are actually principles for him and not vague idealism, Valve is going to immediately go to shit and he is going to die pretty soon.

>University educated creative who makes six figures to sit behind a computer screen (often from the comfort of his home) for 8 hours, half of that time spent on coffee breaks and browsing Twitter, considers himself a worker.

>>737938321
>Make communist game
>Get usurped and your studio taken by capitalists
Capitalism crushes out filthy communists wherever they hide.

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Dudes, just have a strong work ethic.

>>737938465
And this is bad because? What improvement do you prescribe? How do you know that if atatus quo changes your improvement will end up becoming reality instead of some other, worse outcome?

>>737939215
I think streamers and youtubers played a bigger role in revitalizing PC gaming than they get credit for as well.
You don't have to like them, but I think they had a major influence on gen z and now gen a aspiring to move to PC as they grow up.

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>>737939570
>But devs have been talking for years about making a workers owned platform where WE dictate the rules rather than a corp like Valve that seeks to maximize profit for itself
what is preventing (You) from doing it?

>>737938321
Steam is one of the most socialist gaming companies because it's run by an actual game dev and allows it's employees to work for their art instead of shareholder profits. So Piggy false flag. With that said valve is still ultra capitalist but targeting them over other more important targets is absurd.